1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Time for politics Wednesday, and Ginny Anders is with us. 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Very good morning to you, good morning, and Mark Mitchell's 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: weathers Mark a very good morning to you. Morning morning, now, Ginny, 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: what happened yesterday? 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 2: I got up my teeth and coffee. The stitches stretches. 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: Just for the record, yoga yoga, okay, just for the record, 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: Just for the record. No money has ever exchanged hands. 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: So my advice to you is free and it's it's 9 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: and I'm agnostic on parties on this, so I'm happy 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,160 Speaker 1: to help anybody. But if I am going to help you, Ginny, 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: You've got to follow my advice. And I just I 12 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: didn't like what I saw yesterday and fair enough, and 13 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: things went awry, didn't they? 14 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: Well? I thought, you know, there was there were some 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 2: good moments in there. There were some highlights for me. 16 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: I'm not speaking for both of us clearly, but there 17 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 2: are a few high high points for me. 18 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 3: I agree with you, Mike. She completely departed your advice. 19 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: Bush was on fire and completely totally old questions. 20 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: Go back and what he got pretty angry end if 21 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,279 Speaker 2: that was the fire, he got pretty furry, well angry. 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Let me show you how it's done. Listen, listen, listen 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: to what I regard as the highlight of question time 24 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: yesterday when. 25 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 4: The Minister listened to Mike Hoskin who said that Nikola 26 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 4: Willis's super market announcement was quote get another diatribe about 27 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,720 Speaker 4: what needs to be done, what could be done, and 28 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 4: what might be done quote a speech of hopeless contradictions 29 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 4: and quote for a government with an image of more 30 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 4: talk than action. She didn't do anything to help that reputation. 31 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: Now what did Bishop do apart from go red in 32 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,639 Speaker 1: the face and he had nowhere to go? Did he? Ginny? 33 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: Well, I think you just need to criticize the government 34 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: more and then we'll get some great quotes to be 35 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: able to do again question time. It's a win one situation. 36 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 3: What I like, the only stick they've got to lean 37 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 3: on and all positioned as you by can when they 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 3: when they when they fail to take the advice that 39 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 3: you're helpfully giving them, they have a complete disaster from 40 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 3: the house. 41 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: Because what I liked about it actually, and you can 42 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: pass this on I don't know Renna from a bar 43 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: or soap, but please pass it on her delivery. Because 44 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 1: when Brooke quoted me, a couple of weeks ago, she 45 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: butchered it, whereas Arena just delivered it beautifully and can 46 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: is good. 47 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: In the house, I'll pass it on. 48 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: I'll pass it on. 49 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 2: She's probably already listening, but I'll make sure she hears 50 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 2: by passing it on when I see it. 51 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: No, that was high quality stuff. Do we want to 52 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: talk about Palestine because I'm so over it and I 53 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,320 Speaker 1: just don't know Mark from your side of the equation, 54 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 1: and don't tell me what happened, But I mean, so 55 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: you declear Palestine estate for what? 56 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 3: So basically that is I'm not going to comment on that. 57 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 3: That is a decision for the foreignerists and the Prime 58 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:48,680 Speaker 3: Minister to work through, and they've been thoughtful about how 59 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 3: they do that. Our primary concern at the moment is 60 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 3: getting aid into Gaza to make sure that people are 61 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,600 Speaker 3: actually getting the basics that they need. It's it's obviously 62 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 3: a tragedy on every but the work that I've been 63 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: doing is if the Communities Minister is quite simply putting 64 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: a piece of cord together that we signed at Government 65 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 3: House two weeks ago with our Muslim and Jewish leaders 66 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 3: to make sure that the conflict that we currently sit 67 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: wriness seen around the world, not just Israel and Gaza. 68 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 3: But the global conflict doesn't wash up on our shores 69 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: here in New Zealand. 70 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: No, well it hasn't so far, see Jenny. I mean, 71 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: as altruistic as it may seem, what's the point of 72 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: doing stuff that makes no difference? 73 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: Well, how do we know that? 74 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: I mean we know that because one hundred and fifty 75 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: countries have already done it. 76 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 2: Well that the important point, I believe is that we 77 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 2: need to take united stand against what we're seeing, which 78 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: is children dying from starvation. 79 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: But I think that's separate to declaring statehood. 80 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: Yes, but if it can go some way to try 81 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 2: and stop there, but it doesn't destruction of life, Well, 82 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: if there's a hope there, I think there's worthwhile trying 83 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: to instead of just standing back and living. 84 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 3: The point is Hamas, and you don't want to don't 85 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 3: to want to address Hamas for some reason, who are 86 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 3: a terrorist group, who are responsible for the awful tech 87 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: on Israel on seventh October and the atrocities that occurred 88 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: there that sparked this conflict. And also they've got a 89 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 3: whole heap of hostages that haven't been released and returned yet, 90 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 3: so that issue has to be dealt with as well. 91 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: I agree with you. The humanitarian disaster up view is awful. 92 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 3: The international community should be doing everything that we do 93 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 3: can do to get aid into there. We all know 94 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: that it needs a two state solution. That quite something 95 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 3: is going to be put together by the leadership of 96 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 3: the Palestine, the Palestinian people and the Israeli people. But well, 97 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 3: in the long term years, those are the only two. 98 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 2: I mean, that's the point, isn't it. Mark That Yes, 99 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: I completely agree with you that we need a two 100 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 2: state solution, but what we're seeing over there right now 101 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 2: isn't looking like that, is so, and so we need 102 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: more preci And this is the point of standing together 103 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 2: united as it puts as much pressure as possible for 104 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 2: a two state solution to occur. 105 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: All right, all, let me. 106 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: Take state solution. But I'm just all I'm saying is this. 107 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 3: Having lived up there for twelve years on my closest 108 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 3: friends are Arabs. I lived in the Middle East for 109 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: twelve years. I've got a pretty good feeling about what's 110 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 3: going on, about what the locals think about it, and 111 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 3: that is quite simply that yes, everyone wants a two 112 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 3: state solution. No one can see a peaceful outcome for 113 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: the Middle East until there is a two state solution. 114 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 3: But the two groups that are going to drive that 115 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,280 Speaker 3: is a responsible Palestinian government voted in by the Palestinian 116 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: But that's responsible government. 117 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's the problem though. Every time they vote, 118 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 1: they vote for our mass. Let's not dig ourselves a 119 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: big enough whole, just for just a programming note. Jenny, 120 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: are you under the weather? I am a little bit. 121 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: Yes. 122 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: Is there something going around? Because I was listened to 123 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 1: Bishop yesterday in the house he sounded under the weather 124 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: as well. Is there a bug all over the place? 125 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 3: Flew some sort of flu going around. 126 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: At the moment. 127 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: We had a sort of a three week sitting session 128 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: and then a recess where we all went lot to 129 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: play for outside. Anyway, I went from Auckland to Queen 130 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: Sound to christ Church and Becky Game and then you're 131 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: back into a sitting session. So I think at times 132 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,559 Speaker 2: like that, where you just keep going and it's winter, 133 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 2: you just get exposed to thinking about rundown. 134 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: Okay, would that be Willow jene Prime's excuse for not 135 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: answering the email. 136 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 2: Well, I think we've covered that one well and good 137 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 2: that she'sated stated that she could have communicated better in 138 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: that space. 139 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: And so what do you like her? She seems lazy, 140 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: not to put too fine a point on. 141 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: It, I like you very much and know she's definitely not. 142 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 2: She works incredibly hard and she's been working really well 143 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 2: in that education portfolio. Take a good look at the 144 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 2: areas well to really understand why are we're taking six 145 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: weeks to consult on a major overhaul. 146 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,799 Speaker 1: But the weird thing was she was out there talking 147 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: to a sector and she said, I'm talking with the sector. 148 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm talking with the sector, and what the sector is 149 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: telling me is there's too much secrecy going on. So 150 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: surely at that point you'd go and tell you what 151 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: sector I'm going to go talk to my friend Erica, 152 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,039 Speaker 1: who's gonna who's invited me to tell me all about it? 153 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: Wouldn't you instead of saying that secret? 154 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: I hear what you're saying. But let me be very clear, 155 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: she is working incredibly hard to understand what those changes 156 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: mean for children any appearance, and in the fact that 157 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: they're checking stuff and like AI is going to check 158 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: it without anyone knowing what that means. It's right that 159 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 2: she gets stuck in and asks those questions, and part 160 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 2: of that work is to get Eric. 161 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: Erica invited her months ago to engage, not once. 162 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: It's all I almost feel sorry for you, Jenny. I mean, 163 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: it's indefensible and new count defender, and I've done a 164 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: way you'd bother about having said that. Well, what about 165 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: her claims about the myth use and the fight clubs. 166 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: That turns out again that's true. 167 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: I mean again, those are the marcus who's this for? 168 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: Well, both of you, anyone who wants to those clubs 169 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: and the myths. 170 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 3: Well, well the problem with theater is they are extremely 171 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 3: serious allegations. So she doesn't seem to be able to 172 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 3: back it up, and everyone's going, what are you talking about? 173 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 3: It were yeah, which you know she won't come forward with. 174 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: So yeah, no, it looks like that's a whole lot 175 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 3: of rubbish. It's really serious allegations. The Minister, of course, 176 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: will have a look at that. But the effect of 177 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: the matter is she hasn't even been able to substantiate. 178 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: Do you know who hot sources? Jinny? 179 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: I do not have that information, but it does point 180 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: to the fact that there have been really serious concerns 181 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 2: raised around those book kemps that eighty percent reoffending goes 182 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: to the point that they don't work, and there have 183 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: been some really questionable issues in the past. I think 184 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: it's only right that we ask that they're being run appropriately. 185 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: Now give it. Can I finish place? 186 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 1: You can ask with false allegations, though it's not asking, 187 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: that's sort of suggesting something it isn't happening. 188 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 2: Well, there's no evidence that they're false allegations. The Minister 189 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: has taken a look and we're interested to know if 190 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: anything more comes to light. If it's not, that's a 191 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 2: good thing. It means that they're safe. 192 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 3: Well, they are false allegations. If you can't cooperate them, 193 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 3: you can't come forward with serious allegations like that. It 194 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 3: puts sustained across all of those people there working hard, 195 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 3: and those youth justice facilities and say, oh, we can 196 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 3: just come out with allegations. 197 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: I actually thought to be fair, the two who didn't reoffend, 198 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: I know, eighties high, but I mean these were the 199 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: worst of the worst. The two who didn't reoffend I 200 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: thought was sort of nothing, sort of a miracle. 201 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: Well, it's nothing compared to nothing. It's nothing compared to 202 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: what the results we were seeing from the fast Track 203 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: program which runs in South Auckland, which is around eighty 204 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 2: percent not reoffending, and that program, that program is still 205 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 2: in place because this government knows it works, and it 206 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 2: was the one single factor that I believe drove ount 207 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 2: rate offending. 208 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: So very quickly. On this, I agree with you that 209 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 3: the whole purpose of the Youth Military Academy is they 210 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 3: fail and fast Track they fail everywhere and they go 211 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: into the adult youth justice system. These are the worst 212 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 3: youth offenders, those serious violent recidivus defenders. You need to 213 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 3: have a strong intervention. That's exactly what the academy is 214 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: set up for. And I agree with you it has 215 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 3: been very successful because although it hasn't turned off the 216 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: tap and they've stopped defending overnight, that's not going to happen. 217 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 3: They're all older kids that have been offending for a 218 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 3: long time. The seriousness of the offending is reducing, and 219 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 3: the and the and the amount of offending is also reducing. 220 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: So this is hitting in the right direction. They're not 221 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: going to stop it limited. 222 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: To it even said that they wouldn't work, and the 223 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: results show that they haven't worked. I mean, how much 224 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 2: did that cost? 225 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: Mike? That was the cost? Questions the cost. It's fair cool. 226 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: But having having said that, if you let things linger 227 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: in fester, which have, it's going to cost you more't 228 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: It's like you don't paint your house off and it's 229 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: going to cost you more when you did. 230 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: So the resulting program is quite simply there's been a 231 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: reduction in the offending, which means a reduction of victims. 232 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: There's been a reduction in the seriousness of the offending, 233 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 3: which is good for the for everyone. And by the way, 234 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: if we didn't make this intervention, Ginny, they are on 235 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 3: a fast track into the adult criminal justice systems. So yes, 236 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 3: it's a really tough intervention. It's an important one. It's 237 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: not exactly where we want it to be because we're 238 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: changing legislation to make sure they can stay longer. We 239 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 3: always said it had to be up to twelve months. 240 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 3: Currently the legislation only allows that's three months. 241 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: And reason it's pretty good. You got thirty seconds, Journy 242 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: go what we. 243 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: Put that program in place in South Booklin called I 244 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: hate it for Carl and then it was called circuit Breaker, 245 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 2: and that is the single biggest success in the youth 246 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 2: justice system. It's a full wrap around support that gives 247 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,239 Speaker 2: the whole family the support, and that's what stops redopending. 248 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: Not both don't they don't. You got to wrap it up, God, 249 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: don't got to wrap it up. 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