1 00:00:06,707 --> 00:00:10,427 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,747 --> 00:00:11,947 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. 3 00:00:12,827 --> 00:00:16,427 Speaker 2: Second Test of Razors rain tonight, Eden Park, five past 4 00:00:16,467 --> 00:00:18,907 Speaker 2: seven full commentary for you here on News Talks EDB, 5 00:00:19,027 --> 00:00:21,987 Speaker 2: Elliott Smith and Frank Bunce in the commentary box. I'll 6 00:00:22,027 --> 00:00:24,387 Speaker 2: wander up and down the sideline and get a close 7 00:00:24,467 --> 00:00:27,387 Speaker 2: up view. So a build up begins from six with 8 00:00:27,547 --> 00:00:30,987 Speaker 2: kickoff just after seven o'clock. England are again the opponents 9 00:00:31,347 --> 00:00:34,667 Speaker 2: after the sixteen fifteen win for the All Blacks a 10 00:00:34,667 --> 00:00:35,947 Speaker 2: week ago in Dunedin. 11 00:00:36,267 --> 00:00:41,267 Speaker 3: Fairback runs into two point five. Still there, panly Perie 12 00:00:41,307 --> 00:00:43,867 Speaker 3: on backs, holding on, holding on. 13 00:00:45,227 --> 00:00:46,667 Speaker 1: There's a summer out there the show. 14 00:00:46,907 --> 00:00:48,067 Speaker 2: But the All Blacks. 15 00:00:47,947 --> 00:00:51,987 Speaker 3: When that's first test of the year, penally holding on 16 00:00:51,987 --> 00:00:55,147 Speaker 3: the run holding properly was the man that put the 17 00:00:55,187 --> 00:00:58,227 Speaker 3: pennery and now the All Blacks need just to get 18 00:00:58,267 --> 00:01:01,947 Speaker 3: it into touts. Everyone needs to take a deep breath. 19 00:01:02,147 --> 00:01:06,027 Speaker 3: Damien McKenzie taps text it at the touts and you 20 00:01:06,347 --> 00:01:09,347 Speaker 3: all right of All Black Rugby begins with an old 21 00:01:09,747 --> 00:01:15,427 Speaker 3: patent test match time Wrestle you zeven sixteen in fifteen 22 00:01:15,907 --> 00:01:20,547 Speaker 3: full time at full Side Park Stadium in Donedo, the 23 00:01:20,627 --> 00:01:21,667 Speaker 3: All Blacks. What a buy? 24 00:01:21,747 --> 00:01:21,827 Speaker 1: What? 25 00:01:22,307 --> 00:01:24,507 Speaker 2: Yeah? Are we going to see more of the same tonight? 26 00:01:24,587 --> 00:01:27,227 Speaker 2: Let's find out. Let's bring an All Blacks test. Centurion 27 00:01:27,347 --> 00:01:30,507 Speaker 2: rugby commentator and analyst co host of The Breakdown on 28 00:01:30,587 --> 00:01:34,467 Speaker 2: Sky Sport, Mills Mullyana is with us Mills. How different 29 00:01:34,547 --> 00:01:37,627 Speaker 2: a Test match or not do you expect tonight compared 30 00:01:37,667 --> 00:01:39,947 Speaker 2: to what we saw last weekend in duonedin. 31 00:01:41,267 --> 00:01:43,747 Speaker 4: Oh. I think it'll be a couple of changes really. 32 00:01:43,787 --> 00:01:47,667 Speaker 4: Obviously the first testaments last week is a little bit 33 00:01:47,667 --> 00:01:50,867 Speaker 4: of suppose feeling out in terms of the way that 34 00:01:50,987 --> 00:01:54,547 Speaker 4: both teams sort of played. It was pretty physical last week, 35 00:01:54,627 --> 00:01:57,547 Speaker 4: particularly on the English side and that tective breakdown. But 36 00:01:58,027 --> 00:02:00,307 Speaker 4: a week in an All Blacks camp and another week, 37 00:02:00,347 --> 00:02:02,467 Speaker 4: shall I say, considering then ow they've come they came 38 00:02:02,507 --> 00:02:05,987 Speaker 4: together nine days or ten days before that first sort 39 00:02:05,987 --> 00:02:08,707 Speaker 4: of test. I think we'll just allow them, you know, 40 00:02:08,867 --> 00:02:11,067 Speaker 4: enough time again to sort of analyze what happened in 41 00:02:11,107 --> 00:02:13,387 Speaker 4: the game and perhaps you know, come up with some 42 00:02:13,507 --> 00:02:15,867 Speaker 4: you know, some some solutions. I mean, the big positives 43 00:02:15,867 --> 00:02:17,507 Speaker 4: for the All Blacks is the fact that they actually won. 44 00:02:17,627 --> 00:02:21,827 Speaker 4: They're on the right side of the scoreboard. But there's 45 00:02:21,907 --> 00:02:23,227 Speaker 4: there's there will be a lot of things that would 46 00:02:23,227 --> 00:02:26,347 Speaker 4: have looked at and you know, hopefully trying and implement that. 47 00:02:26,427 --> 00:02:29,227 Speaker 2: Tonight you talked about solutions there and I guess England's 48 00:02:29,267 --> 00:02:32,547 Speaker 2: rush defense was well in evidence last weekend. How do 49 00:02:32,667 --> 00:02:34,067 Speaker 2: you combat the rush defense? 50 00:02:34,827 --> 00:02:39,267 Speaker 4: Well, I think they obviously recognized last week they needed 51 00:02:39,267 --> 00:02:41,267 Speaker 4: to carry a lot better. They're not t bone as much, 52 00:02:41,387 --> 00:02:43,267 Speaker 4: you know, the big forwards sort of started to sort 53 00:02:43,267 --> 00:02:45,427 Speaker 4: of stay up a little a little bit longer. But 54 00:02:45,627 --> 00:02:48,827 Speaker 4: it often comes back also to the playing on the 55 00:02:48,907 --> 00:02:51,587 Speaker 4: right side of the field in a position. I don't 56 00:02:51,627 --> 00:02:53,467 Speaker 4: think we kicked as well as what prads who would 57 00:02:53,467 --> 00:02:56,947 Speaker 4: we would have wanted where we're England did. We played 58 00:02:56,947 --> 00:02:59,547 Speaker 4: a lot of rugby inside that sort of. I suppose 59 00:02:59,587 --> 00:03:03,347 Speaker 4: between our twenty two to our you know, our team 60 00:03:03,427 --> 00:03:06,987 Speaker 4: meter channel, our team met a line forty outs sixty 61 00:03:07,027 --> 00:03:09,667 Speaker 4: out should I say from the opposition, And I guess 62 00:03:09,707 --> 00:03:12,107 Speaker 4: that's where England are really tough. They're tough out wide now. 63 00:03:12,147 --> 00:03:13,747 Speaker 4: They slowed our ball down out wide and then they 64 00:03:13,867 --> 00:03:16,947 Speaker 4: just got massive line speed and absorbed a lot of numbers. 65 00:03:17,027 --> 00:03:20,467 Speaker 4: So I think technically we need to be a little 66 00:03:20,507 --> 00:03:24,587 Speaker 4: bit more sound, but also the risk versus reward. We're 67 00:03:24,587 --> 00:03:26,627 Speaker 4: probably a little bit still and super rag me more 68 00:03:26,987 --> 00:03:29,107 Speaker 4: in some cases, you know, just outside the twenty two 69 00:03:29,187 --> 00:03:32,027 Speaker 4: thinking that you know, we we could, we could try 70 00:03:32,027 --> 00:03:35,067 Speaker 4: and you know and break from there. But definitely, I 71 00:03:35,107 --> 00:03:37,627 Speaker 4: think from a technical point of view, you'll probably see 72 00:03:37,627 --> 00:03:39,147 Speaker 4: a lot a lot more kicking from from the All 73 00:03:39,147 --> 00:03:41,707 Speaker 4: Blacks to try and you know, get the English down 74 00:03:41,707 --> 00:03:43,987 Speaker 4: and then probably force force to kick out. But even 75 00:03:44,027 --> 00:03:45,747 Speaker 4: after that, you know, making sure that they hit the 76 00:03:45,787 --> 00:03:49,027 Speaker 4: line outs. And that was that was pretty evident last 77 00:03:49,027 --> 00:03:52,107 Speaker 4: week that they missed golden opportunities to really put pressure 78 00:03:52,147 --> 00:03:52,667 Speaker 4: on the English. 79 00:03:53,467 --> 00:03:55,347 Speaker 2: Just the one enforced change for the All Blacks with 80 00:03:55,867 --> 00:03:58,747 Speaker 2: them like Christie coming into halfback with TJ. Pitt Andaa's 81 00:03:58,827 --> 00:04:01,947 Speaker 2: injury Stephen Pittifetza and fall back of you into another start. 82 00:04:02,387 --> 00:04:03,907 Speaker 2: How improved were you with him last week? 83 00:04:04,747 --> 00:04:09,387 Speaker 4: I was really impressed, was given the fact that he's 84 00:04:09,387 --> 00:04:11,707 Speaker 4: hardly had any sort of raby during super Raby with injury. 85 00:04:12,187 --> 00:04:14,067 Speaker 4: He's come into this sort of sort of role as 86 00:04:14,107 --> 00:04:18,147 Speaker 4: positional play is outstanding, particularly at the back, and I 87 00:04:18,267 --> 00:04:20,547 Speaker 4: knowed him give any many kicks you know to him. 88 00:04:20,627 --> 00:04:22,987 Speaker 4: You know, Damien McKenzie was pretty isolated in terms of 89 00:04:23,027 --> 00:04:26,227 Speaker 4: the English sort of tactic. But I think he steps 90 00:04:26,307 --> 00:04:28,347 Speaker 4: up at the right time and he will grow in confidence. 91 00:04:28,387 --> 00:04:30,587 Speaker 4: He will grow confidence in terms of his role with 92 00:04:30,707 --> 00:04:34,187 Speaker 4: with within this you know this this side, and in 93 00:04:34,267 --> 00:04:37,707 Speaker 4: particularly his combination with with Damian McKenzie when when you 94 00:04:37,787 --> 00:04:41,347 Speaker 4: know he needs to step up. Also, this is Betifeta 95 00:04:41,587 --> 00:04:44,507 Speaker 4: in terms of relieving some pressure off him, you know, 96 00:04:44,547 --> 00:04:46,547 Speaker 4: because he knows, we know he can play that for us, 97 00:04:47,147 --> 00:04:49,987 Speaker 4: that pivot role. It's just it's just about time in 98 00:04:50,027 --> 00:04:52,547 Speaker 4: the settle. You really know, it's his footwork when it 99 00:04:52,627 --> 00:04:55,267 Speaker 4: when it came and then set up that try so 100 00:04:55,387 --> 00:04:56,827 Speaker 4: he will grow from that and looking forward to the 101 00:04:56,867 --> 00:04:59,347 Speaker 4: way he sort of continues his growth in that all 102 00:04:59,347 --> 00:04:59,867 Speaker 4: black jersey. 103 00:04:59,987 --> 00:05:02,507 Speaker 2: And what about Damian McKenzie Mills, what would his week 104 00:05:02,547 --> 00:05:04,787 Speaker 2: have consisted of in terms of what he might want 105 00:05:04,907 --> 00:05:06,707 Speaker 2: to improve on or do differently tonight? 106 00:05:07,467 --> 00:05:11,107 Speaker 4: Oh, I think it was. It was pretty tough. One 107 00:05:11,187 --> 00:05:13,227 Speaker 4: aspect is that that's been talked about. It is obviously 108 00:05:13,827 --> 00:05:15,907 Speaker 4: cooking up as goal kicks because we don't want to, 109 00:05:16,027 --> 00:05:16,747 Speaker 4: we don't want to get to that. 110 00:05:18,707 --> 00:05:18,947 Speaker 3: But I. 111 00:05:20,547 --> 00:05:22,627 Speaker 4: I think you know who'll want to but clean a board. 112 00:05:22,747 --> 00:05:27,307 Speaker 4: There's definitely opportunities out there, and again the combinations coming together, 113 00:05:28,947 --> 00:05:31,707 Speaker 4: the communication about how to get that ball out wide, 114 00:05:32,187 --> 00:05:35,387 Speaker 4: but also the fact that he's in that kind of 115 00:05:35,507 --> 00:05:38,027 Speaker 4: role and seeing different pictures, you know, getting us down 116 00:05:38,067 --> 00:05:40,947 Speaker 4: at the right end of the park and forcing the 117 00:05:41,027 --> 00:05:43,947 Speaker 4: English to perhaps not kick so well, and when I 118 00:05:43,987 --> 00:05:46,747 Speaker 4: say not kick so well, you know, giving us kicks 119 00:05:46,787 --> 00:05:48,867 Speaker 4: that we can actually carry attack because you know, we 120 00:05:49,027 --> 00:05:51,867 Speaker 4: gave the English that last week we kicked out and 121 00:05:52,467 --> 00:05:55,187 Speaker 4: gave him an opportunity to in the mindset, you know, 122 00:05:55,467 --> 00:05:58,547 Speaker 4: inside whilst it was inside the behalf, but when you're 123 00:05:58,547 --> 00:06:00,747 Speaker 4: sitting around your sort of you know, forty meter mark, 124 00:06:00,827 --> 00:06:04,907 Speaker 4: that's that's in your mindset, changes to attack and that's 125 00:06:04,987 --> 00:06:07,347 Speaker 4: the kind of kicks we want to to retrieve from 126 00:06:07,387 --> 00:06:09,067 Speaker 4: the English and you know, we know we can we 127 00:06:09,147 --> 00:06:10,947 Speaker 4: can play from that that sort of area. But I 128 00:06:10,987 --> 00:06:15,027 Speaker 4: think technically for Damien, you know, a bit more time 129 00:06:15,547 --> 00:06:18,987 Speaker 4: in terms of the whole week preparing and controlling this forwards, 130 00:06:19,067 --> 00:06:23,187 Speaker 4: but also you know, the connection from the guys out 131 00:06:23,187 --> 00:06:25,707 Speaker 4: wide and hopefully you know, getting a bit more flow 132 00:06:25,987 --> 00:06:26,707 Speaker 4: in the game. 133 00:06:27,067 --> 00:06:29,027 Speaker 2: Well, likely to see a test day both for Corties 134 00:06:29,547 --> 00:06:31,867 Speaker 2: off the bench tonight. How do you assess his ability 135 00:06:31,987 --> 00:06:33,747 Speaker 2: to take the step up to test rugby from what 136 00:06:33,867 --> 00:06:36,907 Speaker 2: you've seen from him at super rugby level, you. 137 00:06:36,947 --> 00:06:40,827 Speaker 4: Know, and also fantastic that Courtiers gets an opportunity. Yes, 138 00:06:40,907 --> 00:06:43,347 Speaker 4: it's off the back end of TJ being injured, but 139 00:06:43,787 --> 00:06:46,907 Speaker 4: he's got real energy and you know, often in this role, 140 00:06:46,947 --> 00:06:50,587 Speaker 4: particularly when you're playing against your English it's those half opportunities. 141 00:06:50,827 --> 00:06:53,387 Speaker 4: He'll go out there if he gets an opportunity and 142 00:06:53,747 --> 00:06:55,707 Speaker 4: your pass and deliver and he's got a very good pass. 143 00:06:56,907 --> 00:07:00,147 Speaker 4: But sometimes when when you're that young and you're enthusiastic, 144 00:07:00,227 --> 00:07:01,987 Speaker 4: I mean you have to look on the other side. 145 00:07:02,027 --> 00:07:04,227 Speaker 4: With Fin Bexter, the way he's sort of came one, 146 00:07:04,227 --> 00:07:07,307 Speaker 4: I mean his debut and gee was she was immense. 147 00:07:08,107 --> 00:07:11,147 Speaker 4: The opportunities that arise, and given the environment that he's 148 00:07:11,187 --> 00:07:14,307 Speaker 4: in and the coaching staff that he's got there, you know, 149 00:07:14,347 --> 00:07:16,667 Speaker 4: you're just sort of picking the fact that something opens 150 00:07:16,747 --> 00:07:19,147 Speaker 4: up he'll go and he's certainly explosive and doing that, 151 00:07:20,427 --> 00:07:23,667 Speaker 4: a real talent and I'm sure once when he gets 152 00:07:23,707 --> 00:07:25,347 Speaker 4: on he will he'll be really good. 153 00:07:25,547 --> 00:07:28,427 Speaker 2: England were forced into a late change yesterday fall back 154 00:07:28,427 --> 00:07:30,627 Speaker 2: George Fairbank being ruled out with a back injury. That's 155 00:07:30,627 --> 00:07:32,107 Speaker 2: a loss, isn't it. I thought he was quite good 156 00:07:32,147 --> 00:07:32,547 Speaker 2: last week. 157 00:07:33,187 --> 00:07:37,147 Speaker 4: Very good. I mean she was. He was strong in 158 00:07:37,267 --> 00:07:39,627 Speaker 4: his carries, he was threatening when he sort of brought 159 00:07:39,667 --> 00:07:41,747 Speaker 4: the ball back, but defensively as well. He didn't mind 160 00:07:41,787 --> 00:07:45,627 Speaker 4: putting the shoulder on. I mean, but Stillard comes into it. 161 00:07:45,747 --> 00:07:48,187 Speaker 4: You know, he's he's no stranger in this environment. He's 162 00:07:48,187 --> 00:07:49,547 Speaker 4: a very big man. He's to I think he's like 163 00:07:49,627 --> 00:07:51,987 Speaker 4: one point ninety six was two meters you know, and 164 00:07:52,707 --> 00:07:54,787 Speaker 4: got under the high ball. Perhaps perhaps hasn't got the 165 00:07:54,827 --> 00:07:58,987 Speaker 4: attacking pro wresses what tha a bank does. But he'll 166 00:07:59,027 --> 00:08:00,947 Speaker 4: still be pretty strong. So I think they've lost a 167 00:08:01,027 --> 00:08:05,227 Speaker 4: bit there, but certainly in terms of the replacement, you know, 168 00:08:05,347 --> 00:08:07,067 Speaker 4: he's he's he's pretty sound as well. 169 00:08:07,507 --> 00:08:09,707 Speaker 2: Will there be any thought mells in England's mind that 170 00:08:09,827 --> 00:08:12,387 Speaker 2: they missed a big chance last week to get a 171 00:08:12,467 --> 00:08:13,827 Speaker 2: win in New Zealand? I mean, if they're going to 172 00:08:13,867 --> 00:08:15,907 Speaker 2: win anywhere more likely to need in the need and 173 00:08:15,947 --> 00:08:18,307 Speaker 2: Park where no one's done for ages, will they in 174 00:08:18,347 --> 00:08:21,867 Speaker 2: any way be demotivated by their lost opportunity a week ago. 175 00:08:22,907 --> 00:08:25,787 Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think it could have easily 176 00:08:25,867 --> 00:08:27,747 Speaker 4: been they could have easily won that game. There's this 177 00:08:27,947 --> 00:08:30,667 Speaker 4: moment where where they possibly could have, but I think 178 00:08:31,067 --> 00:08:33,067 Speaker 4: this week it would have actually pumped them up to 179 00:08:33,907 --> 00:08:36,707 Speaker 4: there's opportunity here, you know. And a lot of it 180 00:08:36,867 --> 00:08:38,467 Speaker 4: was talked about the fact that they're going to play 181 00:08:38,507 --> 00:08:41,867 Speaker 4: the old sort of style, the role in malls in 182 00:08:41,947 --> 00:08:43,587 Speaker 4: a kicking game, but there is a bit of a 183 00:08:43,667 --> 00:08:46,467 Speaker 4: balance in terms of the way they play and also 184 00:08:46,987 --> 00:08:49,627 Speaker 4: their mindset in terms of hey, well we can ever 185 00:08:49,707 --> 00:08:52,427 Speaker 4: go as well. They're very good over the board defensively. 186 00:08:53,187 --> 00:08:55,467 Speaker 4: I think for them it's about, hey, we know we 187 00:08:55,507 --> 00:08:58,187 Speaker 4: can put the All Blacks under pressure, and if we 188 00:08:58,267 --> 00:09:01,587 Speaker 4: continue to, if we can do that and come out 189 00:09:01,627 --> 00:09:05,667 Speaker 4: of the break and then enforce them, force them mistakes. 190 00:09:05,947 --> 00:09:08,467 Speaker 4: Particular when the All Blacks will want to possibly try 191 00:09:08,507 --> 00:09:11,067 Speaker 4: and play earlier on, I think they're on and so 192 00:09:11,347 --> 00:09:13,867 Speaker 4: I think they'll be highly motivated after last week to say, hey, 193 00:09:13,947 --> 00:09:17,547 Speaker 4: well men, we're physical and we can we can try 194 00:09:17,587 --> 00:09:19,747 Speaker 4: and beat them up. But also if you want to 195 00:09:19,747 --> 00:09:22,267 Speaker 4: play the expensive game, perhaps we can we can go 196 00:09:22,467 --> 00:09:24,067 Speaker 4: that far as to hey, we can stick with you. 197 00:09:24,107 --> 00:09:27,307 Speaker 4: Whereas I think, you know, before no one would have 198 00:09:27,307 --> 00:09:28,587 Speaker 4: thought they'd be able to stick with it with an 199 00:09:28,627 --> 00:09:30,827 Speaker 4: All Blecks of the game. That's sort of that opens up. 200 00:09:31,627 --> 00:09:35,267 Speaker 2: And the eden Park fortress that has become thirty years 201 00:09:35,427 --> 00:09:36,947 Speaker 2: since anyone beat the All Blacks in a test of 202 00:09:37,027 --> 00:09:38,427 Speaker 2: Aden Park. You were part of a lot of test 203 00:09:38,507 --> 00:09:40,547 Speaker 2: matches at eden Park. When you ran out there, did 204 00:09:40,547 --> 00:09:42,307 Speaker 2: you just expect to win on that patch of crass? 205 00:09:44,347 --> 00:09:47,707 Speaker 4: I know there is that comfort, right, that's that you're 206 00:09:47,747 --> 00:09:50,547 Speaker 4: there in eden parkers So there is that comfort of 207 00:09:50,787 --> 00:09:53,587 Speaker 4: as a fortress. Not so much to affectate it, it 208 00:09:53,707 --> 00:09:56,267 Speaker 4: was a given, but it gives you that a little 209 00:09:56,267 --> 00:10:00,787 Speaker 4: bit bit more confidence that you know Eden Park it's 210 00:10:00,827 --> 00:10:05,907 Speaker 4: a I suppose the fortress in itself, but the surroundings 211 00:10:05,947 --> 00:10:08,707 Speaker 4: too that but also you know those sort of records 212 00:10:08,707 --> 00:10:11,987 Speaker 4: are made to be broken and the all Bricks you 213 00:10:12,067 --> 00:10:14,587 Speaker 4: know that's very well aware of it and don't want 214 00:10:14,587 --> 00:10:16,387 Speaker 4: to go out there. It's a different sort of different 215 00:10:16,427 --> 00:10:18,747 Speaker 4: sort of team. You still have the comfort of that 216 00:10:19,627 --> 00:10:23,067 Speaker 4: you know historically, but the English will be highly motivated 217 00:10:23,107 --> 00:10:24,627 Speaker 4: to make sure, you know, they break it. They have 218 00:10:24,747 --> 00:10:28,387 Speaker 4: one ear for twenty one years also, so next motivation 219 00:10:28,507 --> 00:10:31,347 Speaker 4: in itself, Whilst it gives you comfort, this is going 220 00:10:31,427 --> 00:10:33,387 Speaker 4: to be a massive test match and you network for 221 00:10:33,507 --> 00:10:34,027 Speaker 4: both sides. 222 00:10:34,707 --> 00:10:36,867 Speaker 2: Tom Man Mills, thanks for your preview made always love 223 00:10:36,947 --> 00:10:39,107 Speaker 2: chatting rugby with you. We'll see you but later on tonight. 224 00:10:39,507 --> 00:10:41,267 Speaker 4: Yeah great cheating Pinty, Good on you mate. 225 00:10:41,267 --> 00:10:43,867 Speaker 2: Thanks to Dave. 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