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Speaker 1: Right Australia Bau Murray Old's good morning. Why don't we

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Speaker 1: just wanting.

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Speaker 2: To think my big ear knock out the line for

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Speaker 2: split second? S I do a publicize good morning?

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Speaker 1: Do you now the four point one? I'm just talking

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Speaker 1: about the unemployment rate when you look at it, you know,

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Speaker 1: juxtaposed against the election campaign, which is sort of in

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Speaker 1: at the moment. Do people feel good about the economy

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Speaker 1: or not?

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely not, Mike. It is still the overriding number

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Speaker 2: one issue for people. We go into the ballot box

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Speaker 2: and they are going to be thinking about the price

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Speaker 2: of groceries, the price of petrol, getting kids through school,

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Speaker 2: and paying off the mortgage because interest rates are crippling.

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Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that. And the fact that fifty

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Speaker 2: thousand jobs plus were lost from the economy in February

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Speaker 2: is very disturbing. I mean, you know, they it was

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Speaker 2: balanced out because a lot of people stopped looking or

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Speaker 2: actually retired, which is interesting. We've got a big, a

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Speaker 2: very big boomer cohort that is retiring is the year

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Speaker 2: as the years unfold, So we lost fifty two thousand,

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Speaker 2: eight hundred jobs in February. People just said, sorry, we

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Speaker 2: have to say goodbye, we can't afford to keep you on.

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Speaker 2: And this will contribute to the answer. As we leaded

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Speaker 2: the election, which, as you say, the election campaigns well

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Speaker 2: and truly under waves. Haven't got a date yet.

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Speaker 1: Because I was watching Charmers give a speech. In fact,

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Speaker 1: a couple of things happened. There were people, you know,

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Speaker 1: protests and stuff like that. Anyway, the point beings he's

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Speaker 1: got a massive deficit and Albanese is out there promising

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Speaker 1: more support to go to the doctor. Do people understand

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Speaker 1: that one you don't have any money to a government

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Speaker 1: that offers you freebies to go to the doctor is

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Speaker 1: paid for by money you don't have, and it's not

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Speaker 1: the sign of a strong economy and they're just trying

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Speaker 1: to buy your vote or they don't care.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think a bit of both, to be honest.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people just think, you know what, if

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Speaker 2: I can get the kids to the doctor, great, If

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Speaker 2: I can get government up with that, great. They don't

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Speaker 2: think beyond that. Other people say like you, yeah, we

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Speaker 2: have to borrow this money. But look, both sides are

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Speaker 2: involved in the spender fion crazy, you know, spending cash

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Speaker 2: we don't have in a desperate attempt to buy votes

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Speaker 2: ahead of the election. And that's that's as stark as

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Speaker 2: it can be. The government promises, as you say, cheaper

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Speaker 2: visits of the doctor, much cheaper medicines, earning the potential

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Speaker 2: wrath of Donald Trump and American drug manufacturers. Peter Dutton

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Speaker 2: falls into lockstep. They're exactly the same, promising on the

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Speaker 2: never never, promising on tech effectively, and no one seems

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Speaker 2: to care less.

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Speaker 1: Weird just speak him, dont three the citizenship test to

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Speaker 1: test for your anti Semitism? What literally do you ask somebody?

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Speaker 1: And if you are anti Semitic, aren't you alerted to

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Speaker 1: the fact that that could be a bit of a

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Speaker 1: trick question and you might make up something.

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Speaker 2: Oh mate, it's just a dog's breakfast. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: is classic Peter Dutton. I mean, and I know you

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Speaker 2: think I'll keep bagging him, but I mean, look, he

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Speaker 2: threw this out to appeal to the conservative voters of Australia.

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Speaker 2: It was a thought bubble, said the Alberanzi that were

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Speaker 2: blown up by lunchtime because because Peter Dutton's shadow Attorney

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Speaker 2: General came out and said it would only be an

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Speaker 2: absolute last resort. Well, I mean, what does it all mean?

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Speaker 2: It means nothing is there's no meat on that particular bone.

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Speaker 2: It's just a buddy, you old chicken bone. He's tossed

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Speaker 2: out there for the vast right wing populist to slaver

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Speaker 2: over as they contemplate. You know, a second or third

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Speaker 2: larte at the Lmond Latte as well at the very

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Speaker 2: groovy inter city cafes.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever heard one? By the way, you're still

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Speaker 1: you're a barista, a trained barrista.

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Speaker 2: I am, indeed, mate.

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Speaker 1: Have you have you ever heard of a coffee machine

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Speaker 1: called a slayer?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: I have not look it up today. If you get

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Speaker 1: a chance, someone, No, No, I can't afford one. But

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Speaker 1: it's made by the you know, you know Larch and Bali. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I did, right, So the Larch and Bali family make

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Speaker 1: them handmake them in Seattle and Washington, and they are

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Speaker 1: the most beautiful machine. And apparently that they if you

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Speaker 1: want to spend all your pension, they are the machine

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Speaker 1: to get. But they look them up today and tell

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Speaker 1: me it's not the greatest thing you've ever seen. By

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Speaker 1: the way, the polling I was reading this week for

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Speaker 1: the Independence Now this is interesting. I don't know you

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Speaker 1: guys have had the debate yet, so you get a

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Speaker 1: minority government, the balance of powers held by these independents.

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Speaker 1: The polling says people want to know which way they're

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Speaker 1: going to side before they vote, which is a not

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Speaker 1: unreasonable request. We've been through it because of course we

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Speaker 1: have MMP. I don't think you have, have you And

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Speaker 1: most people came back seventy percent of the various electorates

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Speaker 1: said we want to know now, are they going to

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Speaker 1: cough and tell you or not?

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't think so. I think the independence You know,

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Speaker 2: we've had a bunch of them in the last federal

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Speaker 2: parliament and there's a lot of them at state level

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Speaker 2: too now and they have been you know, derisively dubbed

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Speaker 2: the teals because that sort of greens but not quite green.

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Speaker 2: The fact of the matter is you will and they're

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Speaker 2: all women, and if you diss these women, you do

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Speaker 2: at your political peril because they are a substantial block

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Speaker 2: and chances are they could get bigger at this election.

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Speaker 2: And always talk about we need to know where you're

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Speaker 2: going to stand. Bugger off, we'll tell you. And the

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Speaker 2: same as Peter Dutton says, I'm going to have nuclear

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Speaker 2: power as part of our Akay, tell us, tell us

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Speaker 2: about it, tell us how much is going to cost?

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Speaker 2: When's it going to happen? He's saying, hang on a second,

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Speaker 2: bugger off, I'll tell you. You know when it's time

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Speaker 2: to drop this policy. They're not going to tell. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we know which way they go. They're worried about every

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Speaker 2: one of these teals is worried about the environment, worried

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Speaker 2: about climate change, worried about cost of living for families,

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Speaker 2: trying to get to the doctor, trying to pay for

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Speaker 2: the groceries. They are the three big ticket items on

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Speaker 2: their list. That's what you're going to get. And if

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Speaker 2: you boat them.

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Speaker 1: Back in get your guess is those live just real quick?

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Speaker 1: This beef scrap because I think this may or may

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Speaker 1: not apply to us. So suddenly the American farmer's eyeballing you. Guys.

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Speaker 1: You sell a lot of beef to America. They're not

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Speaker 1: allowed to sell a lot of beef to you, They argue,

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Speaker 1: because of all your red tape and the rules you

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Speaker 1: keep inventing. Is that true? And if it is true,

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Speaker 1: are you in trouble terriff wise?

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Speaker 2: Well, it could be, It could be, but it just

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Speaker 2: depends you know who's getting in Trump's ear about tariffs

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Speaker 2: because the pharmaceutical manufacturer a furious with Australia as well

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Speaker 2: beef manufacturers too. Australia says, we've got a clean beef

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Speaker 2: industry here. We don't need all the antibiotics you shoven

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Speaker 2: to American beef. We don't want that here. Australia. The

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Speaker 2: federal government buys up tons and tons and tons of

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Speaker 2: American pharmaceuticals and uses its government muscle to drive down

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Speaker 2: the cost of those of those pharmaceuticals, passes them on

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Speaker 2: to Australian consumers Mike as subsidies subsidized medicines. So in

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Speaker 2: both of these cases, American beef produces American manufact the

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Speaker 2: manufacturer of American pharmaceuticals. They're saying to Donald Trump's tariff people, listen,

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Speaker 2: punish Australia on this, because Australia is denying US access

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Speaker 2: to high priced medicines and access to beef. Well, Australia

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Speaker 2: is not going to blink and exactly the same as

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Speaker 2: I mentioned before, Peter Dutton and lockstep with Anthony Albanezi

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Speaker 2: on this. So we have to see which way the

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Speaker 2: tariff mop flops. I must say super interesting.

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Speaker 1: Might always a pleasure to have you on the program.

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Speaker 2: Can you find it?

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Speaker 1: Murray olds across the Tessman.

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