1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,733 Speaker 1: from News Talks at be. 3 00:00:13,373 --> 00:00:20,973 Speaker 2: What ah photo? What a photo? What a stunning, extraordinary, 4 00:00:21,213 --> 00:00:28,293 Speaker 2: scandal defining generation, defining photo. A gaunt man, his eyes 5 00:00:29,013 --> 00:00:34,013 Speaker 2: wide somehow, focusing on nothing and everything at once, as 6 00:00:34,053 --> 00:00:38,333 Speaker 2: if haunted by a vision he cannot unsee, his face haggard, 7 00:00:38,413 --> 00:00:43,413 Speaker 2: his pale fingers clasped, the light of the photographer's flash 8 00:00:43,653 --> 00:00:48,533 Speaker 2: reflected and read in his pupil. What's the position he's in? 9 00:00:48,813 --> 00:00:50,933 Speaker 2: Is he trying to hide from the cameras, If so, 10 00:00:51,053 --> 00:00:55,373 Speaker 2: he did a terrible job? Is he willing the plush 11 00:00:55,493 --> 00:00:58,933 Speaker 2: leather seats of his vehicle to swallow him whole? And 12 00:00:59,173 --> 00:01:02,973 Speaker 2: what is that expression? Is it the humiliation of police detention, 13 00:01:03,933 --> 00:01:07,413 Speaker 2: the shock and embarrassment of being held against your will? 14 00:01:07,653 --> 00:01:12,053 Speaker 2: Or is it the gravity of this moment finally catching 15 00:01:12,133 --> 00:01:17,053 Speaker 2: up to him the realization. Does Andrew mount mackenwinsor finally 16 00:01:17,093 --> 00:01:21,453 Speaker 2: see that he, a man born into the most extreme privilege, 17 00:01:22,173 --> 00:01:28,293 Speaker 2: is now mired in the most profound shame. Charged as 18 00:01:28,333 --> 00:01:34,413 Speaker 2: of yet no convicted, certainly not, but surely irredeemable in 19 00:01:34,453 --> 00:01:38,853 Speaker 2: his disgrace. What a moment, What a moment. What an 20 00:01:38,893 --> 00:01:45,053 Speaker 2: extraordinary fall from grace, and what a photo. Once again 21 00:01:45,093 --> 00:01:49,653 Speaker 2: we're reminded, aren't we, of a photograph's unique power. There 22 00:01:49,733 --> 00:01:54,253 Speaker 2: is just nothing like it. There is nothing like a photo. 23 00:01:55,133 --> 00:01:57,813 Speaker 2: The Reuters photographer at the other end of the lens 24 00:01:58,493 --> 00:02:01,773 Speaker 2: said he fired off six frames in total, just six frames. 25 00:02:01,773 --> 00:02:05,133 Speaker 2: It all happened so fast. So two had police in 26 00:02:05,173 --> 00:02:09,413 Speaker 2: the shot to who were blank. One was out of focus. 27 00:02:09,973 --> 00:02:15,373 Speaker 2: And this the one frame that endured. A photograph that 28 00:02:15,373 --> 00:02:18,733 Speaker 2: says more than any headline in the British tabloids ever could. 29 00:02:19,653 --> 00:02:23,133 Speaker 2: It was as if it was meant to be in 30 00:02:23,173 --> 00:02:28,453 Speaker 2: a strange kind of poetic way. I suppose photographs now 31 00:02:28,493 --> 00:02:33,053 Speaker 2: bookend Andrew's disgrace. It was a photograph that first tied 32 00:02:33,093 --> 00:02:38,133 Speaker 2: him to Epstein and Virginia Geffrey. The then Prince stands 33 00:02:38,173 --> 00:02:41,453 Speaker 2: with his body facing towards her, his hand right around 34 00:02:41,493 --> 00:02:44,933 Speaker 2: her waist. There was a photograph in the latest Epstein 35 00:02:45,053 --> 00:02:47,973 Speaker 2: dump of Andrew on all fours above a female on 36 00:02:48,013 --> 00:02:52,533 Speaker 2: the ground. Once again, the flash reflects read in his pupils. 37 00:02:53,293 --> 00:02:55,413 Speaker 2: And so it was that when he was filmed and 38 00:02:55,533 --> 00:02:59,933 Speaker 2: photographed on his sixty sixth birthday, leaving the Aylesham Police Station. 39 00:03:00,173 --> 00:03:05,613 Speaker 2: It is the photograph we will remember. A friend noted 40 00:03:05,693 --> 00:03:13,093 Speaker 2: yesterday just what an astoundingly undignified episode this has been 41 00:03:13,693 --> 00:03:18,813 Speaker 2: for Andrew, from the photographs themselves, to the pathetic communications 42 00:03:18,853 --> 00:03:23,133 Speaker 2: of Sarah Ferguson scattered throughout the files, to the image 43 00:03:23,133 --> 00:03:26,853 Speaker 2: of a flubbering man on the BBC's Newsnight waffling about 44 00:03:26,893 --> 00:03:32,093 Speaker 2: Pizza Express. Something tells me you're sweating now, Andy, I 45 00:03:32,133 --> 00:03:35,373 Speaker 2: thought the King's statement yesterday was excellent. Might he have 46 00:03:35,453 --> 00:03:40,333 Speaker 2: felt a kind of strange relief at having already stripped 47 00:03:40,373 --> 00:03:41,933 Speaker 2: his brother of his royal titles? 48 00:03:42,773 --> 00:03:43,053 Speaker 1: Yep? 49 00:03:43,213 --> 00:03:46,973 Speaker 2: Perhaps there are still plenty of valid questions about why 50 00:03:47,013 --> 00:03:48,813 Speaker 2: the Palace didn't do a whole lot more, a whole 51 00:03:48,853 --> 00:03:53,213 Speaker 2: lot sooner. But the statement yesterday was strong and uncompromising. 52 00:03:53,573 --> 00:03:59,213 Speaker 2: He was equivocal, He continued with his He was unequivocal. Rather, 53 00:03:59,573 --> 00:04:02,973 Speaker 2: he was he continued with his engagement, which I thought 54 00:04:02,973 --> 00:04:06,173 Speaker 2: was an excellent call. And in the face of a 55 00:04:06,213 --> 00:04:10,133 Speaker 2: reputational crisis for the Palace, the king was a vision 56 00:04:10,213 --> 00:04:15,173 Speaker 2: of relative stability in those first few hours. Who can 57 00:04:15,213 --> 00:04:19,893 Speaker 2: say now what indignities remain for Andrew Mountbatten Windsor of course, 58 00:04:19,933 --> 00:04:23,933 Speaker 2: he insists he has done nothing wrong, but just take 59 00:04:23,933 --> 00:04:26,813 Speaker 2: a step back for a moment. He spent his sixty 60 00:04:26,813 --> 00:04:30,613 Speaker 2: fifth birthday in a palace and his sixty sixth in 61 00:04:30,693 --> 00:04:35,013 Speaker 2: a police station. Theoretically, if he is charged and convicted, 62 00:04:35,613 --> 00:04:41,413 Speaker 2: he could face time in prison. That photograph yesterday will endure. 63 00:04:43,213 --> 00:04:47,573 Speaker 2: The photograph of him being driven away after hours in 64 00:04:47,613 --> 00:04:52,293 Speaker 2: police custody cut a pitiful vision of a man, one 65 00:04:52,373 --> 00:04:56,533 Speaker 2: that very few people will forget, and from Andrew's perspective, 66 00:04:56,973 --> 00:04:59,453 Speaker 2: worse could yet still be to come. 67 00:05:00,333 --> 00:05:03,453 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 68 00:05:03,533 --> 00:05:06,693 Speaker 1: to news talks that'd be from nine am Saturday. Follow 69 00:05:06,773 --> 00:05:08,293 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.