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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Pine

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Speaker 1: from Newstalks EDB. When it's down to the line, you

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Speaker 1: make the call on eight hundred eighty ten eighty Weekend

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Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Pine, News Talks.

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Speaker 2: EDB eleven thirteen. Good morning, Good morning, and welcome into

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Speaker 2: an elongated weekend Sport on News Talks ab IM Jason Pine.

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Speaker 2: The All Blacks have achieved a bonus point victory to

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Speaker 2: kick off their Rugby Championship campaign, beating Argentine of forty

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Speaker 2: one twenty four to six tries to three sever rees

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Speaker 2: with a couple of tries Summer Sauny toalkiaho off the

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Speaker 2: bench with two Cortez Latimer and Ardi Savilla also dotting

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Speaker 2: down Boden Barrett pretty good with the boot apart from

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Speaker 2: the last couple, but forty one twenty four on the

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Speaker 2: scoreboard doesn't really tell the story of the game. Let's

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Speaker 2: recap with our commentary team, Rugby editor Elliott Smith and

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Speaker 2: former All Blacks half back and Strawn And can we

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Speaker 2: start with the first twenty minutes of the second half?

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Speaker 2: What on earth went on there?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: I think we talked about it at half time Piney

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Speaker 4: that this Ardentinian team we're going to have to bring something.

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Speaker 4: They had lots of tidying up to do. Their were

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Speaker 4: got a few opportunities, and I think it was largely

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Speaker 4: well with down to fourteen. It was just a weight

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Speaker 2: Elliott, you mentioned, or both of you did during commentary

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Speaker 2: test matches were meant to be In twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 2: it feels as though they passed that assignment where Argentina

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Speaker 5: Will be as we've touched on there, though I think

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Speaker 5: the problem might have moved to the first twenty minutes

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Speaker 5: Argentina got back to seven points. All the momentum was

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Speaker 5: went back to their strengths. A lineout has been very

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Speaker 5: it was certainly a real weapon tonight. They just went

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Speaker 5: back to that taky Yaho came on, went back to

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Speaker 5: once they did, they went back to their key skill

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Speaker 2: You were fairly glowing in your praise of Cortez Latima

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Speaker 2: when he first came into an all black jersey, what

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Speaker 4: Yeah, probably one of his best test matches. Finally, I

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Speaker 4: he just did everything right tonight. His kicking game was good,

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Speaker 2: Elliot, it might be a bit early to ask this

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Speaker 2: until South Africa arrive, and of course we will know

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Speaker 2: what happened tols Alice Park this morning, but I'm not

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Speaker 2: sure it changes the conversation around that Eden Park Test.

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Speaker 2: What do you expect in terms of selection for the

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Speaker 5: Look, I think there'll be a few tweaks to the team.

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Speaker 5: What wouldn't expect wholesale changes because they want to continue

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Speaker 5: this Rugby Championship momentum rolling through. But maybe is it

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Speaker 5: a chance to look at maybe a couple of different

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Speaker 5: you have a look at him maybe instead of a

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Speaker 5: can't say, can't see too much of the main axis

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Speaker 5: whilst so Teet coming back and is he at the

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Speaker 5: bench into mighty Williams coming back in so I don't

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Speaker 5: think it'll be wholesale, Piney, but it is a chance

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Speaker 5: to just make some tweaks around some parts of that team.

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Speaker 5: Not certainly the main axis, the nine to ten, the playmakers,

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Speaker 5: those sort of areas, but around the team. You might

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Speaker 5: eye to that South African League coming up very very shortly.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful stuff, guys, look forward to your call of Test

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Speaker 2: two in a week's time Injuana series. That's and straw

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Speaker 2: and with expert comments and rug beata to Elliot Smith

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Speaker 2: with a call this morning and their summary of the game.

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Speaker 2: The All Blacks have one forty one twenty four in

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Speaker 2: cord Doba. News Talks B eleven eighteen Back in a moment.

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Speaker 5: News Talks Ab Christy to Jordi Barrett, keep cident a

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Speaker 5: touch with it, a touch fighter. He will probably want back.

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Speaker 5: It won't matter. Go back to number one in the

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Speaker 5: world for the first time since November twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 5: Forty one twenty four six strides to three act oney

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Speaker 5: old second spell from the All Blacks at times after

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Speaker 5: leading thirty one ten in the break, but they take

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Speaker 5: worlds and the Rugby Championships now are set up very nicely.

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Speaker 2: Indeed it is. That's the final seconds of this morning's match.

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Speaker 2: It's eleven twenty two here on News Talks AB. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jason Pine. This is Weekend Sport starting earlier. If you're

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Speaker 2: looking for Francesca today, she's been given the day off

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Speaker 2: given the timing of the Test match, and the same

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Speaker 2: will occur next Sunday as well. But what it does

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Speaker 2: give us the chance to do is to get stuck

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Speaker 2: into this nice and early. If you've got some early

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Speaker 2: thoughts on this All Blacks win over Argentina, any part

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Speaker 2: of it, lines are open immediately, Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: member of the All Blacks coaching staff, currently of course

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Speaker 2: doing their debrief, But as has always been the case,

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Speaker 2: the full time whistle. So looking forward to seeing who

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Speaker 2: that is, first of all, and what their thoughts were

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Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty will take calls straight

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Speaker 2: away on any aspect of the game that caught your

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Speaker 2: Elliott Smith and Ant Strawn, maybe you were doing what

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Speaker 2: I did and syncing up the radio with the television

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Speaker 2: to get the best of both worlds if you like. Look,

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Speaker 2: But before I go off on my tangent as to

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Speaker 2: saw the Wallabies.

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Speaker 6: Of course.

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Speaker 2: Also, we woke to the news this morning. Well you

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Speaker 2: from twenty two nil down after nineteen minutes at Alice Park.

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Speaker 2: They've come back to beat South Africa thirty eight twenty two.

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Speaker 2: Astonishing stuff.

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Speaker 7: Hello, Jason, Yeah, I really wanted to talk about that one,

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Speaker 7: but I don't think the producer's gonna let me.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, Jason, give us your thoughts on that first. Mate. Look,

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Speaker 2: you're on the air now, so I'm you know you

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Speaker 7: Yeah, look, I don't know if your bats could have

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Speaker 7: stayed something like that. That sets up an absolute monumental

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Speaker 7: think they joke Smitt's got something there that all of

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Speaker 7: a sudden has got them like cage tigers. They looked

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Speaker 7: immensely powerful, but of course that came off and grawling

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Speaker 8: I suppose that put them up good stead.

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Speaker 2: I suppose, Well, what I thought, Jace was that they

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Speaker 2: But is it won and done? I'll need to see

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Speaker 2: more from Australia. Yes, fantastic result. First time they've won

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Speaker 7: Look, I'm actually tough because this whole you know, bombquad thing,

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Speaker 7: that's it just shows you know, you just can't do

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Speaker 7: you can't just rely on that all the time. In

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Speaker 7: Australia just just just outmuscled them.

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Speaker 9: So I was wrapped.

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Speaker 3: All backs.

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Speaker 10: Is it time?

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Speaker 3: Finey?

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Speaker 7: I was actually quite happy. But is it time though

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Speaker 7: to finally say, look, Rico, you only your your days

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Speaker 7: are done?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: I haven't seen him sort of penetrate or do anything

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Speaker 7: Star Wars for countless tests now. I just think he's

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Speaker 7: he's just become a bit stale, very practable as well.

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Speaker 2: Thought he had a mixed day, Jose, Yeah, I thought

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Speaker 2: Or stop doing it. Is the other tactic. And as

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Speaker 11: Really, I think there's high school teams that probably do

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Speaker 11: It just blows me away that it's such an important

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Speaker 5: He steps through the tackle, nice run, Will Jordan, up

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Speaker 2: How are you very good?

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Speaker 13: I really enjoyed your guys, your guys Comic Cree team,

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Speaker 2: Excellent. Well I do, I do too. They're very good.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's been, it's been in the Sky Comic Fee.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just different, doesn't it, you know,

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Speaker 13: Yeah, we had too many Yoo cards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be a bit of a head scratcher.

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Speaker 2: The Billy Procter one, I think was an obvious one,

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Speaker 2: and that that put the All Blacks into, you know,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't sure about the one at the end, Tim,

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, Tim. Well, l let's hopefully we're going to

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Speaker 15: Congratulations on the win, A great start in this rugby championship.

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Speaker 14: Where are your feelings?

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Speaker 16: Thank you so much, Yes, you know, it was good

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a tough game.

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Speaker 16: You know, Argentina, they stuck with it right till the

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Speaker 15: You said that you had moments. What can you tell

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Speaker 16: And we've seen what Argentina do. You know, they played fast,

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Speaker 15: In our personal level, what can you tell me about Argentina?

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Speaker 14: Well, it fits Argentina to you.

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Speaker 16: I played my first game here and man, you run

433
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Speaker 16: out the crowd here? Is you know it is amazing

434
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Speaker 16: and you know we're looking forward again to to next

435
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Speaker 16: week and hopefully we have the same crowd in Buenos.

436
00:20:53,707 --> 00:20:56,307
Speaker 15: Aires's, but not least in when Sires. What do the

437
00:20:56,307 --> 00:20:58,987
Speaker 15: Oil Blacks have to do to repeat again and maybe

438
00:20:59,147 --> 00:21:01,147
Speaker 15: to work on this week two to have another winning

439
00:21:01,147 --> 00:21:02,187
Speaker 15: this rugby championship.

440
00:21:02,427 --> 00:21:04,627
Speaker 16: Yes, I think we'll well, we know, we'll really look

441
00:21:04,667 --> 00:21:08,267
Speaker 16: at our discipline, you know, that's where we we slept

442
00:21:08,307 --> 00:21:10,907
Speaker 16: off a little bit, and you know we'll come Monday

443
00:21:10,987 --> 00:21:14,107
Speaker 16: ready to go and hopefully come Saturday we're ready to

444
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Speaker 16: put on a good performance.

445
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Speaker 14: Thank you very much on congratulations.

446
00:21:17,427 --> 00:21:20,467
Speaker 2: That is Savary's score of two tries for the All

447
00:21:20,467 --> 00:21:24,747
Speaker 2: Black six in total in their forty one twenty four win.

448
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Speaker 2: It's an extended weekend sport today. Frank Bne's going to

449
00:21:28,427 --> 00:21:30,507
Speaker 2: join us after midday. We'll get inside the All Blacks

450
00:21:30,547 --> 00:21:34,747
Speaker 2: camp as well. And your thoughts and your your feedback

451
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Speaker 2: across the afternoon of course, could I.

452
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Speaker 17: Phil okay finding who are you?

453
00:21:40,267 --> 00:21:41,067
Speaker 2: Very good things mate?

454
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Speaker 18: Excellent Pixon?

455
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Speaker 19: Well what about that? All the sale everything result, It's it's.

456
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Speaker 2: Subbly incredible, incredible. I mean I don't think anybody well,

457
00:21:52,307 --> 00:21:55,227
Speaker 2: first of all, before the game. I don't think many

458
00:21:55,267 --> 00:21:59,227
Speaker 2: people picked that Australia would win the game, let alone

459
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Speaker 2: come back from twenty two nil down to win at

460
00:22:02,867 --> 00:22:06,307
Speaker 2: thirty eight twenty two. It's an astonishing scoreline.

461
00:22:08,027 --> 00:22:11,587
Speaker 19: Yeah, absolutely astonishing. What you say, you're only only maybe

462
00:22:11,667 --> 00:22:15,507
Speaker 19: a true hard, die hard Ossie fan, like a Warriors

463
00:22:15,547 --> 00:22:17,587
Speaker 19: fan would would would have backed them for that.

464
00:22:17,707 --> 00:22:18,387
Speaker 20: But I.

465
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Speaker 19: Think I've said to you in the past, like Joe Smith,

466
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Speaker 19: you know, like I really rate him as a as

467
00:22:25,187 --> 00:22:28,027
Speaker 19: a hell of a coach, and and I think the

468
00:22:28,067 --> 00:22:31,227
Speaker 19: Ossies have been coming up, and you know, I've been

469
00:22:31,587 --> 00:22:35,867
Speaker 19: thinking they're getting better and better, and yeah, under him,

470
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Speaker 19: I think they're going to be become pretty good.

471
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Speaker 6: You know.

472
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Speaker 19: I'm back to the old Ossie teams of old, with

473
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Speaker 19: the old John Eels and those when they used to

474
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Speaker 19: give us a real good run. Well not only the

475
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Speaker 19: All Blacks, but you know, the South Africans and anybody

476
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Speaker 19: they played.

477
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Speaker 2: So and I guess the trick is the trick. The

478
00:22:53,907 --> 00:22:55,667
Speaker 2: trick will wait for them fellers to carry it on

479
00:22:56,187 --> 00:22:58,707
Speaker 2: when he leaves, because as we know, he's only there

480
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Speaker 2: until the end of the Rugby Championship. Liz Kiss is

481
00:23:01,787 --> 00:23:04,987
Speaker 2: going to take over Joseman. I think now will his

482
00:23:04,987 --> 00:23:07,547
Speaker 2: his job and he's well on the way to doing it,

483
00:23:07,547 --> 00:23:10,227
Speaker 2: as leaving the Wallabies in a better space than he

484
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Speaker 2: found them. But the big trick for Australia will be

485
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Speaker 2: to capitalize when Liz Kiss takes over as the new

486
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Speaker 2: coach and to build on what Joe Schmidt leaves him.

487
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Speaker 19: Yeah, and I think because I said that, I also rate.

488
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Speaker 19: I'm also also impressed by the fella Kiss as well.

489
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Speaker 19: I just forgot his first names Kislev. Yeah, I'm also

490
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Speaker 19: I also think he's going to be a real good coach.

491
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Speaker 19: I might be wrong because I remember a fella rung

492
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Speaker 19: up after I did one time and said, oh, well

493
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Speaker 19: he's not that great because I said I rate him

494
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Speaker 19: and think he's going to better And yeah, I think

495
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Speaker 19: he'll carry on the mantle and he'll be learning as

496
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Speaker 19: much as he can from Smith there and soaking it

497
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Speaker 19: all in. And I think Joe Smith will leave him

498
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Speaker 19: with a lot of good ammunition, you know, to carry on.

499
00:24:03,947 --> 00:24:07,547
Speaker 19: So yeah, whether or not the same stand, I don't know,

500
00:24:07,587 --> 00:24:09,907
Speaker 19: but I think you'll put it in good, good stead,

501
00:24:09,987 --> 00:24:13,267
Speaker 19: as they say. But I just finished watching the All

502
00:24:13,267 --> 00:24:18,347
Speaker 19: Blacks game as well, the AB's there and yeah, yeah,

503
00:24:18,467 --> 00:24:22,347
Speaker 19: but patchie, but patchy at times, a few mistakes, a

504
00:24:22,387 --> 00:24:25,267
Speaker 19: bit of concern about that, not getting off to a

505
00:24:25,267 --> 00:24:28,707
Speaker 19: good start in the first ten minutes of that second

506
00:24:28,787 --> 00:24:31,507
Speaker 19: half and conceding a couple of points in that. But

507
00:24:31,627 --> 00:24:35,947
Speaker 19: I think what they did, you're saying, like they rated

508
00:24:37,187 --> 00:24:39,307
Speaker 19: Ardie Severe as man of the match on the pole

509
00:24:39,387 --> 00:24:42,747
Speaker 19: that they've just done on the after match skoy commentary thing,

510
00:24:42,987 --> 00:24:45,187
Speaker 19: and I think that was pretty much being on the mark,

511
00:24:45,387 --> 00:24:50,747
Speaker 19: because you know, they figured away, like one somebody said too,

512
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Speaker 19: like one of the either justin Marshall Willies I well

513
00:24:56,227 --> 00:24:59,827
Speaker 19: said that what was good about the All Blacks, even

514
00:24:59,867 --> 00:25:03,387
Speaker 19: though it was a bit patchy, they figured away what

515
00:25:03,547 --> 00:25:08,067
Speaker 19: to do after the Argentinian I scored the two really

516
00:25:08,067 --> 00:25:13,187
Speaker 19: good Troyes, and then Ardisa VI became the captain and

517
00:25:13,267 --> 00:25:16,787
Speaker 19: the captain who was passed on to him, and the

518
00:25:16,867 --> 00:25:20,067
Speaker 19: decisions that he made after that to keep the rolling

519
00:25:20,147 --> 00:25:22,867
Speaker 19: maull net gone because they could see that the Argentinians

520
00:25:22,867 --> 00:25:24,707
Speaker 19: were struggling with that and didn't really know how to

521
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Speaker 19: combat it. And then we got a couple we got

522
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Speaker 19: a couple of good tries with the rolling mall and

523
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Speaker 19: that was down to partly down to already making those

524
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Speaker 19: decisions to carry that on and again, you know, not

525
00:25:37,747 --> 00:25:41,467
Speaker 19: only that, but his own performance as per usual on

526
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Speaker 19: the field was great.

527
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Speaker 2: But yeah, Philip was I've got a move, mate, But yeah,

528
00:25:45,747 --> 00:25:49,827
Speaker 2: I'm just looking at Artie stats. Fourteen carries, so obviously

529
00:25:49,827 --> 00:25:53,147
Speaker 2: that tells the tale of his influence there. But in

530
00:25:53,227 --> 00:25:57,387
Speaker 2: terms of tackles, New Zealand's best tackler was Jordi Barrett.

531
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Speaker 2: Fourteen tackles he made. Gee, he makes a difference. And

532
00:26:00,907 --> 00:26:03,307
Speaker 2: I thought Biden Barrett had a good game too. I

533
00:26:03,347 --> 00:26:04,707
Speaker 2: thought he had a good game as well. Called it

534
00:26:04,747 --> 00:26:06,867
Speaker 2: to twelve. Phil Thanks for your call. I'm with you

535
00:26:06,947 --> 00:26:08,867
Speaker 2: right after this on News Talks here, b this is

536
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Speaker 2: Weekend Sport a slightly extended addition. We're inside the All

537
00:26:12,187 --> 00:26:14,227
Speaker 2: Blacks camp. Frank Buns former All Black with us in

538
00:26:14,227 --> 00:26:15,707
Speaker 2: the next half hour or so as well.

539
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540
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541
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Speaker 2: News Talks be coming up twelve to midday. Thanks for

542
00:26:28,227 --> 00:26:29,427
Speaker 2: holding Bell, Good morning.

543
00:26:30,267 --> 00:26:31,747
Speaker 21: Good mate, Yeah, good game.

544
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Speaker 11: Then that he's a via made.

545
00:26:33,947 --> 00:26:35,307
Speaker 3: He's captain America. That guy.

546
00:26:35,627 --> 00:26:37,347
Speaker 2: Oh incredible, Hey incredible.

547
00:26:38,787 --> 00:26:40,827
Speaker 22: I just seed you talking about the Australian coach.

548
00:26:40,907 --> 00:26:43,027
Speaker 3: He was a guy who used to play league.

549
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Speaker 18: I'm I'm a I played league on my luck, mate.

550
00:26:45,427 --> 00:26:46,467
Speaker 3: But I love the All Blacks.

551
00:26:46,507 --> 00:26:50,067
Speaker 22: But Les kissed he was the least Kiss that played league.

552
00:26:50,107 --> 00:26:52,507
Speaker 2: Is it the same guy, mate, same blake? Yeah, same

553
00:26:52,507 --> 00:26:52,667
Speaker 2: b Like.

554
00:26:53,987 --> 00:26:54,787
Speaker 21: Oh's the same guy?

555
00:26:54,827 --> 00:26:56,067
Speaker 3: Say he's like Andy Farrell.

556
00:26:56,107 --> 00:26:59,027
Speaker 22: He turns into a defensive coach and tends into the real.

557
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Speaker 2: You got it man, That's exactly what he's done.

558
00:27:01,427 --> 00:27:04,667
Speaker 23: Yeh know, he's coaching the poem's made and needs the

559
00:27:04,667 --> 00:27:05,547
Speaker 23: whole league player team.

560
00:27:05,547 --> 00:27:07,707
Speaker 11: But anyway, lets you boy, well.

561
00:27:07,547 --> 00:27:09,907
Speaker 2: Good bell, thanks mate. Yeah, no, good clarification. Somebody else

562
00:27:09,907 --> 00:27:11,427
Speaker 2: asked that on text as well. Is that the same

563
00:27:11,547 --> 00:27:14,267
Speaker 2: let's kiss? Yeah it is. He played a bunch of

564
00:27:14,547 --> 00:27:17,147
Speaker 2: games for North Sydney when they were the North Sydney

565
00:27:17,227 --> 00:27:20,587
Speaker 2: Bears one hundred matches actually in the NRL, played for Australia,

566
00:27:20,867 --> 00:27:25,027
Speaker 2: played State of Origin for Queensland. Les Kiss His coaching career, though,

567
00:27:25,067 --> 00:27:28,387
Speaker 2: has been mainly rugby union defense coach with South Africa.

568
00:27:29,187 --> 00:27:31,507
Speaker 2: Then he spent time with the Bulls, the Stormers and

569
00:27:31,547 --> 00:27:36,347
Speaker 2: the Cats under twenty one Australian assistant coach, Waratar's assistant

570
00:27:36,547 --> 00:27:41,907
Speaker 2: Australia a assistant Irish, Assistant director of rugby at Ulster,

571
00:27:42,427 --> 00:27:45,067
Speaker 2: head coach at London Irish and then for the last

572
00:27:45,107 --> 00:27:48,627
Speaker 2: couple of years head coach at the Reds. So it's

573
00:27:48,627 --> 00:27:52,627
Speaker 2: been a yeah, quite the journey for les Kiss. When

574
00:27:52,827 --> 00:27:57,147
Speaker 2: that defense coach role that he had was in two

575
00:27:57,267 --> 00:28:00,587
Speaker 2: thousand and one, it was twenty four years ago. So

576
00:28:00,627 --> 00:28:04,107
Speaker 2: it's been a quarter of a century in rugby union

577
00:28:04,187 --> 00:28:07,267
Speaker 2: coaching for Les Kiss and he's finally going to get

578
00:28:07,267 --> 00:28:12,227
Speaker 2: the top job at the Wallabies. And look, it's funny,

579
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Speaker 2: isn't it. You know, we've just had an All Blacks Test.

580
00:28:13,707 --> 00:28:15,467
Speaker 2: But I think a lot of people probably want to

581
00:28:15,507 --> 00:28:19,627
Speaker 2: talk more about what they saw from what they saw

582
00:28:19,667 --> 00:28:22,267
Speaker 2: from the Wallabies. If you didn't get up to watch

583
00:28:22,307 --> 00:28:24,347
Speaker 2: it and you got up this morning to check it out,

584
00:28:24,787 --> 00:28:29,027
Speaker 2: it was it was quite something, absolutely astonishing stuff from

585
00:28:29,427 --> 00:28:34,347
Speaker 2: the Wallabees to come from behind and to win it

586
00:28:34,467 --> 00:28:38,627
Speaker 2: like that twenty two kneel down after twenty minutes south

587
00:28:38,627 --> 00:28:41,107
Speaker 2: everycka must thought. You know, this is in the bag,

588
00:28:41,707 --> 00:28:44,667
Speaker 2: this is in the bag, it's our ten to twelve.

589
00:28:44,787 --> 00:28:48,227
Speaker 2: Let's get you back to Cordoba where All Blacks captain

590
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Speaker 2: Scott Barrett is with the post match interview team. Courtesy

591
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Speaker 2: of Skysport.

592
00:28:53,707 --> 00:28:54,667
Speaker 14: Scott buried with us.

593
00:28:54,667 --> 00:28:57,667
Speaker 15: Scott, congratulations on this win, starting with the right foot

594
00:28:57,667 --> 00:28:58,747
Speaker 15: in this rugby championship.

595
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Speaker 14: What can you tell me about this win?

596
00:29:00,587 --> 00:29:01,587
Speaker 2: Yeah, very pleasing.

597
00:29:02,827 --> 00:29:04,907
Speaker 24: You were talking about starting well, I think we did

598
00:29:04,947 --> 00:29:07,907
Speaker 24: that and you know, the second half quite strong, a

599
00:29:07,907 --> 00:29:11,147
Speaker 24: bit of a statement there, and the second half were

600
00:29:11,187 --> 00:29:13,347
Speaker 24: a little bit slow and probably a little bit of

601
00:29:13,347 --> 00:29:16,507
Speaker 24: discipline feed their game, which was disappointing and allowed the

602
00:29:16,507 --> 00:29:19,187
Speaker 24: crowd to get him behind them and you know they

603
00:29:19,187 --> 00:29:21,467
Speaker 24: threw a lot of punches at us. But please that

604
00:29:22,427 --> 00:29:25,507
Speaker 24: the guys who finished the game were able to you know,

605
00:29:25,587 --> 00:29:28,507
Speaker 24: win a few arm wrestles, get some territory and you

606
00:29:28,547 --> 00:29:30,627
Speaker 24: know most have only come away with a good win.

607
00:29:31,187 --> 00:29:33,667
Speaker 15: We were talking a couple of minutes ago with sever

608
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Speaker 15: a reason. He told us we had moments, you know,

609
00:29:36,467 --> 00:29:38,787
Speaker 15: very good ones and maybe with the discipline we let

610
00:29:38,787 --> 00:29:40,547
Speaker 15: the Boomers come closer in the score.

611
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Speaker 14: Do you agree with that?

612
00:29:42,227 --> 00:29:42,467
Speaker 25: Yeah?

613
00:29:42,507 --> 00:29:46,307
Speaker 24: Sure, I think at times we showed you know, a

614
00:29:46,347 --> 00:29:49,227
Speaker 24: lot of great attack when we held the ball, but

615
00:29:50,867 --> 00:29:54,227
Speaker 24: at times, yeah, we feed their game a couple of

616
00:29:54,227 --> 00:29:58,467
Speaker 24: fifty fifties. They you know that they won and were

617
00:29:58,507 --> 00:30:02,107
Speaker 24: able to sort of pounce, and you know that they

618
00:30:02,147 --> 00:30:03,947
Speaker 24: were really good once they got down to the twenty two.

619
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Speaker 24: They sort of went through the middle of us, which

620
00:30:06,387 --> 00:30:09,747
Speaker 24: at us a little bit, but ultimately pleased with their

621
00:30:09,707 --> 00:30:10,347
Speaker 24: effort tonight.

622
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Speaker 15: What did you like today that you want to rebeat

623
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Speaker 15: in when I say this in a week.

624
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Speaker 24: Yeah, I think we'll reflect on tonight a lot of

625
00:30:18,627 --> 00:30:22,067
Speaker 24: what we expected we got tonight, and you know we're

626
00:30:22,107 --> 00:30:23,907
Speaker 24: looking to go to for two and we'll know we

627
00:30:23,947 --> 00:30:25,707
Speaker 24: have to be better next week last.

628
00:30:25,707 --> 00:30:28,027
Speaker 15: But at least, how are you feeling from your injury?

629
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Speaker 15: You came back started playing today, but you played pretty

630
00:30:31,347 --> 00:30:32,067
Speaker 15: much of the game.

631
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Speaker 14: How are you feeling?

632
00:30:33,147 --> 00:30:33,187
Speaker 20: No?

633
00:30:33,507 --> 00:30:34,067
Speaker 2: Feeling great?

634
00:30:34,107 --> 00:30:37,547
Speaker 24: I'll stoke to be back out there and in amongst

635
00:30:37,547 --> 00:30:40,187
Speaker 24: the circle, and yeah, please that we've got off to

636
00:30:40,187 --> 00:30:41,627
Speaker 24: a good start in the Rugby Championship.

637
00:30:41,827 --> 00:30:43,387
Speaker 14: Thank you very much on congratulations.

638
00:30:43,467 --> 00:30:43,747
Speaker 3: Thank you.

639
00:30:43,787 --> 00:30:46,467
Speaker 2: That's Scott Barrett, captain of the All Blacks. Of course,

640
00:30:46,467 --> 00:30:48,507
Speaker 2: good to see him back. He did only play fifty

641
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Speaker 2: five minutes. I wonder whether that was managed minutes for

642
00:30:51,507 --> 00:30:54,507
Speaker 2: Scott Barrett having come back from injury. It seemed like

643
00:30:54,587 --> 00:30:59,107
Speaker 2: a fairly premature exit for him. In fact, your Blacks

644
00:30:59,107 --> 00:31:04,067
Speaker 2: made a lot of changes quite early on, didn't they.

645
00:31:03,867 --> 00:31:08,147
Speaker 2: They changed the entire front row. It would have been

646
00:31:08,787 --> 00:31:11,147
Speaker 2: I'm going to check my notes on this. Yeah, fifty minutes.

647
00:31:11,187 --> 00:31:14,067
Speaker 2: So ten minutes into the second half, the entire front

648
00:31:14,107 --> 00:31:18,387
Speaker 2: road changed. De Groot, Newell, and Taylor all came off,

649
00:31:19,027 --> 00:31:22,027
Speaker 2: Norris Tossi Tokiyahu came on, and at the same time

650
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Speaker 2: they took Cortez Latimarov and brought Finlay Christian and then

651
00:31:26,787 --> 00:31:29,547
Speaker 2: at the fifty five minute mark, Patrick Tweyblotu and Damion

652
00:31:29,627 --> 00:31:32,467
Speaker 2: Mackenzie on for Scott Barrett and for severa Reese. So

653
00:31:33,787 --> 00:31:39,187
Speaker 2: six of the eight substitutions were made fifteen minutes into

654
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Speaker 2: the second half. I know that they were probably thinking, Hey,

655
00:31:42,267 --> 00:31:44,587
Speaker 2: we're losing a bit of momentum here, so we need

656
00:31:44,627 --> 00:31:48,467
Speaker 2: to do something to arrest this. But yeah, I was

657
00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:53,667
Speaker 2: interested to see the All Blacks captain go off with

658
00:31:54,187 --> 00:31:56,627
Speaker 2: only fifteen minutes gone in the second half. Well, when

659
00:31:56,627 --> 00:31:58,587
Speaker 2: we get inside the All Blacks camp, we are still

660
00:31:59,467 --> 00:32:01,747
Speaker 2: attempting to get a member of the All Blacks coaching

661
00:32:01,747 --> 00:32:04,707
Speaker 2: staff to join us. It'll probably be after midday now

662
00:32:04,747 --> 00:32:07,547
Speaker 2: we can check on that. Just run through a couple

663
00:32:07,587 --> 00:32:09,667
Speaker 2: of texts that we have received before we go to

664
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Speaker 2: the midday news. David Campese looks a bit stupid now,

665
00:32:12,707 --> 00:32:15,987
Speaker 2: doesn't he says? Mark get campez he says this one

666
00:32:16,147 --> 00:32:18,187
Speaker 2: and see what he thinks now if you haven't caught

667
00:32:18,267 --> 00:32:21,507
Speaker 2: up with this, David Campeze, he did it on this

668
00:32:21,547 --> 00:32:25,707
Speaker 2: show too. But ever since Joe Schmitt took over, he

669
00:32:25,867 --> 00:32:30,947
Speaker 2: has been relentless in his criticism of Joe Schmidt in

670
00:32:31,027 --> 00:32:34,587
Speaker 2: all sorts of ways, the style of rugby that he's encouraging,

671
00:32:34,907 --> 00:32:39,467
Speaker 2: his selection, the fact that he's not Australian. David Campeze

672
00:32:39,467 --> 00:32:43,107
Speaker 2: has been absolutely letting Joe Schmitt have it over the

673
00:32:43,187 --> 00:32:45,707
Speaker 2: last well ever since he took over basically, and to

674
00:32:45,747 --> 00:32:48,667
Speaker 2: be fair, the results haven't gone the way the Wallabies

675
00:32:48,667 --> 00:32:51,387
Speaker 2: would have hoped in the time that Joe Schmitt's been

676
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Speaker 2: at the Helm. But are they now starting to just

677
00:32:54,147 --> 00:32:57,747
Speaker 2: turn a corner? The third and final Test against the

678
00:32:57,747 --> 00:33:01,707
Speaker 2: British and Irish Lions. Even the second Test they had

679
00:33:01,747 --> 00:33:04,027
Speaker 2: a chance to win that test. Remember there was all

680
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Speaker 2: that controversy at the end when the line and scored

681
00:33:06,747 --> 00:33:09,267
Speaker 2: a last minute try to win the second Test and

682
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Speaker 2: win the series. That was a very even Test match,

683
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Speaker 2: and then Australia coming back to win what was a

684
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Speaker 2: dead rubber third Test but still winning the Test and

685
00:33:18,347 --> 00:33:21,027
Speaker 2: winning it well, and then this morning this would be

686
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Speaker 2: one of the great Wallaby's performances, certainly, without a shadow

687
00:33:25,907 --> 00:33:30,267
Speaker 2: of a doubt, one of the great Wallabies comebacks. Coming

688
00:33:30,267 --> 00:33:32,547
Speaker 2: back from twenty two niil down after twenty minutes is

689
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Speaker 2: one thing, but doing it in a place like Johannesburg

690
00:33:35,707 --> 00:33:39,587
Speaker 2: at altitude, at a place you haven't won for so

691
00:33:39,867 --> 00:33:45,787
Speaker 2: long makes it so so impressive. Josey's Pine, Is that correct?

692
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Speaker 2: The Wallabies hadn't won in South Africa since twenty eleven

693
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Speaker 2: and hadn't won at Alice Park since nineteen sixty eight.

694
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Speaker 2: That's nearly correct, Joe, That is nearly correct. The first

695
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Speaker 2: win in South Africa since twenty twelve and the first

696
00:34:00,507 --> 00:34:06,627
Speaker 2: victory at Alice Park since nineteen sixty three, sixty two

697
00:34:06,707 --> 00:34:09,787
Speaker 2: years ago. To quote my good mate and rugby journo

698
00:34:10,067 --> 00:34:14,547
Speaker 2: Jamie wall on x or Twitter this morning, the last

699
00:34:14,587 --> 00:34:18,347
Speaker 2: time the Wallaby's won at Alice Park JFK was still alive.

700
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Speaker 2: That gives you some sort of indication as to how

701
00:34:22,587 --> 00:34:26,427
Speaker 2: long it has been. Pat says Jason regarding the Wallaby's

702
00:34:26,427 --> 00:34:31,347
Speaker 2: great victory. Did anyone see James O'Connor's last conversion attempt

703
00:34:32,947 --> 00:34:36,587
Speaker 2: the touch judges flagged it. I've replayed it six times

704
00:34:37,307 --> 00:34:40,667
Speaker 2: and it clearly went over. I guess it doesn't really

705
00:34:40,707 --> 00:34:43,147
Speaker 2: matter in terms of the result, Pat, I hadn't picked

706
00:34:43,227 --> 00:34:45,747
Speaker 2: up on that. This is Tom Wright's try right at

707
00:34:45,747 --> 00:34:48,507
Speaker 2: the end with four minutes to go that put the

708
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Speaker 2: seal on this. Yeah, James, I kind of missed conversion.

709
00:34:52,307 --> 00:34:54,107
Speaker 2: So Pat, you're pretty sure that went over. I'm gonna

710
00:34:54,147 --> 00:34:55,667
Speaker 2: have to have a look at that. I don't have

711
00:34:55,667 --> 00:35:00,227
Speaker 2: any any frame of reference, And he says piney isn't

712
00:35:00,267 --> 00:35:04,387
Speaker 2: Jo Schmitt still staying on as a consultant to the Aussies. Well,

713
00:35:04,387 --> 00:35:06,267
Speaker 2: if he is, Andy, it's a very goodiece of Burson,

714
00:35:06,587 --> 00:35:09,547
Speaker 2: because clearly he's got them doing something right. He's got

715
00:35:09,547 --> 00:35:14,547
Speaker 2: them doing something very very right, indeed from Nathan. So

716
00:35:14,707 --> 00:35:18,747
Speaker 2: great to see all teams in the Rugby Championship looking good.

717
00:35:18,787 --> 00:35:22,347
Speaker 2: It's been a long time since the Championship has been

718
00:35:22,587 --> 00:35:26,147
Speaker 2: this open. It's a very good point, Nathan, A very

719
00:35:26,187 --> 00:35:31,387
Speaker 2: good point. I thought Argentina showed, particularly between minutes forty

720
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Speaker 2: one and let's say sixty three, that they can be competitive.

721
00:35:36,427 --> 00:35:39,387
Speaker 2: We've actually known this for a while, haven't we beating

722
00:35:39,467 --> 00:35:41,947
Speaker 2: us in Wellington last year was just the latest chapter

723
00:35:42,027 --> 00:35:45,227
Speaker 2: in that. But yep, they are competitive. Great to see Australia.

724
00:35:45,227 --> 00:35:46,467
Speaker 2: I think we all thought Australia be a bit of

725
00:35:46,467 --> 00:35:48,667
Speaker 2: a whipping boy in South Africa. I certainly thought that

726
00:35:49,347 --> 00:35:52,827
Speaker 2: Capetown next weekend will be fascinating, fascinating to see how

727
00:35:52,867 --> 00:35:56,467
Speaker 2: they go over there. It's three away from mid day.

728
00:35:56,987 --> 00:35:59,587
Speaker 2: After Midday, Frank Buntz is on the show former All

729
00:35:59,587 --> 00:36:01,987
Speaker 2: Black Center with his views. We'll have an All Black's

730
00:36:02,027 --> 00:36:04,507
Speaker 2: assistant coach with us and plenty more of your calls

731
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Speaker 2: and feedback as we are this week.

732
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Speaker 26: I went to New Zealand blood and I gave plasma.

733
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Speaker 26: It was the first time I've ever done it, and

734
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Speaker 26: I tell you what, I have never been so appreciated

735
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Speaker 26: in all my life. If you're feeling sort of like

736
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Speaker 26: no one's appreciating you these days, go and give blood

737
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Speaker 26: or plasma. They are hugely desperate for both giving blood.

738
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Speaker 26: It look the process takes about five to ten minutes.

739
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Speaker 26: Takes about an hour in total though to sort of

740
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Speaker 26: get organized at the beginning and to make sure you're

741
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Speaker 26: okay afterwards, and you will be absolutely fine. The plasma

742
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Speaker 26: takes about an hour and a half. You can do

743
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Speaker 26: plasma every two weeks. You can only give blood every

744
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Speaker 26: three months. It's only four times a year. But I'm

745
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Speaker 26: not kidding. I got embarrassed at how many people came

746
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Speaker 26: up to thank me for what I was doing, which

747
00:36:52,427 --> 00:36:56,307
Speaker 26: was a very simple, easy thing to do, hugely very well.

748
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Speaker 26: Looked out to cups of Tea's and Bickie's and everyone's

749
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Speaker 26: in there treating you like a saying And I actually

750
00:37:01,947 --> 00:37:03,947
Speaker 26: got a little bit embarrassed, but you could kind of

751
00:37:04,027 --> 00:37:08,787
Speaker 26: feel the desperation. If you have a moment, jump online,

752
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Speaker 26: go to nzedblood dot co dot z. As I said,

753
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Speaker 26: they desperately need blood, they desperately need plasma, and you know,

754
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Speaker 26: God forbid you or a family member or a friend

755
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Speaker 26: may need them.

756
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Speaker 2: But you never know when this may happen.

757
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Speaker 26: So it'll be wonderful if you've got an opportunity, go

758
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Speaker 26: do it. They will love you for it. Ziblood dot

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Speaker 26: co dot NZ. Right, we've got a couple of weeks

760
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Speaker 26: off because Rugby Your Blacks are playing Argentina, so we've

761
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Speaker 26: got no shows on the seventeenth or the twenty fourth.

762
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Speaker 26: We're going to be back on the thirty first with

763
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Speaker 26: the bests awesome Key we Band. Here's some old school

764
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Speaker 26: music from the Best. This is Future Me hates Me.

765
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Speaker 26: Jason Pine is up next. Thank you for being with us,

766
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Speaker 26: Thank you to care for dressing the show. Take care

767
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Speaker 26: of you in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

769
00:38:14,987 --> 00:38:19,947
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

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Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Lain on your home of Sport

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Speaker 1: News Talks at B.

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Speaker 2: Twelve oh seven. Welcome to Weekend Sport on News Talks.

773
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Speaker 2: There'd be on Jason Pine August seventeen, All Blacks forty one,

774
00:38:33,067 --> 00:38:35,267
Speaker 2: Argentina twenty four. We're going to get you straight to

775
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Speaker 2: cord Doba where All Black's assistant coach, Scott Hanson is

776
00:38:38,507 --> 00:38:41,587
Speaker 2: standing by. Scott, thanks for your time across New Zealand.

777
00:38:41,907 --> 00:38:43,907
Speaker 2: Only an hour or so after the full time whistler

778
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Speaker 2: is blind. Can we address the first twenty minutes of

779
00:38:46,507 --> 00:38:49,387
Speaker 2: the second half. First, how did you see that period

780
00:38:49,387 --> 00:38:51,107
Speaker 2: of the game from the coaching box?

781
00:38:52,707 --> 00:38:52,827
Speaker 8: Hi?

782
00:38:52,947 --> 00:38:58,947
Speaker 27: You officiley boring Jason, the word would be challenging. Not

783
00:38:59,067 --> 00:39:01,107
Speaker 27: so company sitting in the box watching that.

784
00:39:02,227 --> 00:39:04,747
Speaker 28: Some messages are half around how we continue it off

785
00:39:04,747 --> 00:39:08,267
Speaker 28: by pressure? Didn't quite get that the way we wanted to.

786
00:39:08,507 --> 00:39:10,387
Speaker 28: There'll be some learnings, but we need to be better

787
00:39:10,387 --> 00:39:10,627
Speaker 28: than that.

788
00:39:11,387 --> 00:39:13,587
Speaker 2: Well, you certainly were better though in the twenty minutes

789
00:39:13,627 --> 00:39:15,787
Speaker 2: after that, and I know you and the coaching staff

790
00:39:15,827 --> 00:39:17,787
Speaker 2: talked a lot about the last twenty minutes of test

791
00:39:17,787 --> 00:39:20,347
Speaker 2: matches last year. How happy were you with the way

792
00:39:20,387 --> 00:39:23,027
Speaker 2: you played in the final twenty of the game?

793
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Speaker 28: Oh, you know, it's a fair question to the final twenty.

794
00:39:28,347 --> 00:39:30,467
Speaker 28: But let's take the context of the game and what

795
00:39:30,507 --> 00:39:33,427
Speaker 28: we're needed to do, and that was the car and

796
00:39:33,467 --> 00:39:36,147
Speaker 28: get a performance that gave us and what it gave

797
00:39:36,227 --> 00:39:38,627
Speaker 28: us was a bonus point one, So we'll take that. Yes,

798
00:39:38,747 --> 00:39:42,787
Speaker 28: we'll acknowledge the twenty minutes, the first twenty minutes in

799
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Speaker 28: the second half and also the end of the game.

800
00:39:46,307 --> 00:39:49,907
Speaker 28: Will we managed it better around our momentum? I defended

801
00:39:49,907 --> 00:39:51,227
Speaker 28: a we bit better in the middle of the field.

802
00:39:51,227 --> 00:39:54,307
Speaker 27: And the like. So it's a fair question.

803
00:39:54,427 --> 00:39:56,547
Speaker 28: But what we've got to understand also is we're happy

804
00:39:56,587 --> 00:40:00,067
Speaker 28: to get the bonus point one and get out of here,

805
00:40:00,747 --> 00:40:03,427
Speaker 28: take our learnings and we'll get into bon Azaria's next week.

806
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Speaker 2: The first half performance twent you won ten at halftime.

807
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Speaker 2: What was your overall assessment of the first forty.

808
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Speaker 28: Yeah, I think just watching it live and again, Jase,

809
00:40:15,347 --> 00:40:19,187
Speaker 28: I haven't watched it again, but sitting up and watching

810
00:40:19,227 --> 00:40:21,307
Speaker 28: it live. When we shifted the ball well, when we

811
00:40:21,347 --> 00:40:23,907
Speaker 28: had good momentum, we were hard to handle. So that's

812
00:40:23,947 --> 00:40:27,147
Speaker 28: really positive around our game. Plus a really good pressure

813
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Speaker 28: around our set piece. Obviously, I think we can be

814
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Speaker 28: really proud and confident of what our scrum and also

815
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Speaker 28: our driving them all gave us and this test, so

816
00:40:36,027 --> 00:40:40,747
Speaker 28: that's definitely really positive platforms to work off. Jason Ryan

817
00:40:40,827 --> 00:40:43,107
Speaker 28: doing a great job there for us, So a lot

818
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Speaker 28: of positives around that. What that gave us even working

819
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Speaker 28: into the second half when we needed to find a

820
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Speaker 28: bit of momentum, just their ability to go to our

821
00:40:50,347 --> 00:40:52,707
Speaker 28: forwards and go boys give us what we needed and

822
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Speaker 28: they did a great job for us.

823
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the set piece stat's really impressive. You want all

824
00:40:57,987 --> 00:41:00,547
Speaker 2: your line outs and a bunch of theirs as well

825
00:41:00,547 --> 00:41:05,347
Speaker 2: as scrum was strong. What was the reason for the

826
00:41:05,387 --> 00:41:07,587
Speaker 2: really good set piece showing in this one in your.

827
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Speaker 7: Mind we've got a good pack.

828
00:41:11,347 --> 00:41:14,067
Speaker 28: We've got a good pack that we're understood tonight. There,

829
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Speaker 28: So the end of the Test match when we needed

830
00:41:18,267 --> 00:41:20,547
Speaker 28: to play pressure in the air, especially to them all

831
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Speaker 28: in the corner, which essentially was us working to save

832
00:41:23,587 --> 00:41:25,347
Speaker 28: that bonus point and affords it.

833
00:41:25,387 --> 00:41:28,707
Speaker 27: A fantastic job there applying the pressure in the air.

834
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Speaker 28: And well led from the group and Scooter Barrett coming

835
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Speaker 28: back from injury and getting his fifty minutes in so

836
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Speaker 28: in some rotation and then with our substitutions coming on early.

837
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Speaker 27: And just feeling the game.

838
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Speaker 28: So a lot of real positives there around what we

839
00:41:45,787 --> 00:41:46,467
Speaker 28: can build off.

840
00:41:47,227 --> 00:41:49,147
Speaker 2: You alluded to it there, but just to confirm Scott

841
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Speaker 2: Barrett was on managed minutes on his return.

842
00:41:51,947 --> 00:41:54,827
Speaker 27: Was he Oh, not so much managed?

843
00:41:54,907 --> 00:41:58,787
Speaker 28: Because he's All Black captain. We needed to do what

844
00:41:58,827 --> 00:42:00,707
Speaker 28: we need to do. We just felt for him because

845
00:42:00,707 --> 00:42:02,187
Speaker 28: he's come back and he's been out of the game

846
00:42:02,267 --> 00:42:04,547
Speaker 28: a little bit. It's just important that we set him

847
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Speaker 28: up well for the season. We're going well at that

848
00:42:06,667 --> 00:42:11,067
Speaker 28: time and the call was too We felt the momentum

849
00:42:11,107 --> 00:42:12,987
Speaker 28: was there and obviously we're going to look at that

850
00:42:13,027 --> 00:42:16,827
Speaker 28: and say, well, okay, we could have have been managed

851
00:42:16,827 --> 00:42:19,587
Speaker 28: possibly differently, but at that time for us, it was

852
00:42:19,627 --> 00:42:21,427
Speaker 28: the right call.

853
00:42:21,467 --> 00:42:24,787
Speaker 2: Did you see an improvement from the French series and

854
00:42:24,867 --> 00:42:28,067
Speaker 2: your team in key areas today?

855
00:42:28,747 --> 00:42:32,547
Speaker 28: Yeah, I think we continue to improve is again around

856
00:42:32,587 --> 00:42:35,467
Speaker 28: our cpiece defensive in the middle of the field.

857
00:42:35,467 --> 00:42:38,387
Speaker 27: At some stages there collision.

858
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Speaker 28: Way is really good. There's always areas we want to

859
00:42:41,987 --> 00:42:45,467
Speaker 28: be better in and we'll go in. And the thing

860
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Speaker 28: with the boys coming in the shed Jason was a

861
00:42:47,347 --> 00:42:50,387
Speaker 28: lot of them said straight away, okay, well, obviously Monday's

862
00:42:50,467 --> 00:42:52,747
Speaker 28: review is going to show us this, but what we

863
00:42:52,827 --> 00:42:55,027
Speaker 28: have to acknowledge also is a lot of positives and

864
00:42:55,427 --> 00:42:58,267
Speaker 28: when we use the ball on our terms, when we

865
00:42:58,347 --> 00:43:01,627
Speaker 28: used our skill set well, as we discussed earlier, we

866
00:43:01,627 --> 00:43:05,987
Speaker 28: were hard to manage. So we're really happy to leave

867
00:43:06,027 --> 00:43:08,387
Speaker 28: Corde over with the bonus point and what's going to

868
00:43:08,427 --> 00:43:09,867
Speaker 28: be in a really challenging competition.

869
00:43:11,027 --> 00:43:13,707
Speaker 2: So what will this do in terms of your selection

870
00:43:13,827 --> 00:43:16,427
Speaker 2: for the second test. The fact that you've won taken

871
00:43:16,467 --> 00:43:18,427
Speaker 2: the bonus point, will that give you the opportunity to

872
00:43:19,147 --> 00:43:21,427
Speaker 2: tinker a bit or with this being the only test

873
00:43:21,467 --> 00:43:23,867
Speaker 2: now before you get back for that massive one against

874
00:43:23,867 --> 00:43:25,987
Speaker 2: South Africa and Auckland, will you look to roll out

875
00:43:26,467 --> 00:43:27,667
Speaker 2: your strongest side again.

876
00:43:29,507 --> 00:43:32,427
Speaker 28: Oh, first and foremost, we'll grab the group and we'll

877
00:43:32,427 --> 00:43:33,067
Speaker 28: see where the our.

878
00:43:33,107 --> 00:43:34,867
Speaker 27: Health wise is. One or two boards have taken.

879
00:43:36,507 --> 00:43:40,947
Speaker 28: It was a tough test physically, speaking to the boys,

880
00:43:41,467 --> 00:43:46,227
Speaker 28: Pablomentari and it was a tough physical test. So we'll

881
00:43:46,307 --> 00:43:49,227
Speaker 28: all we gather tomorrow morning, we'll see where we're at.

882
00:43:49,547 --> 00:43:51,827
Speaker 28: We'll look forward to next week and we'll, as we

883
00:43:51,947 --> 00:43:55,267
Speaker 28: always do, select the group that we feel is going

884
00:43:55,307 --> 00:43:57,587
Speaker 28: to give us the best opportunity against what's going to

885
00:43:57,587 --> 00:43:59,307
Speaker 28: be Argentina.

886
00:43:59,307 --> 00:44:00,107
Speaker 27: Are in our next test.

887
00:44:00,907 --> 00:44:04,427
Speaker 2: You Withdrew Cortez Latima after fifty minutes, can you give

888
00:44:04,507 --> 00:44:06,547
Speaker 2: us the thought process there?

889
00:44:07,067 --> 00:44:09,227
Speaker 28: Oh, we had a good momentum and at that stage

890
00:44:09,547 --> 00:44:12,107
Speaker 28: we felt getting finlay On would give us what we

891
00:44:12,187 --> 00:44:12,827
Speaker 28: needed around that.

892
00:44:12,947 --> 00:44:16,227
Speaker 27: We're also got to get some get him into our game. Also,

893
00:44:16,667 --> 00:44:19,387
Speaker 27: he's had a really good wink with us.

894
00:44:19,387 --> 00:44:22,227
Speaker 28: He's got a great relationship with Body Barrett at team,

895
00:44:22,427 --> 00:44:26,427
Speaker 28: so we're really confident with that decision. Cortez gave us

896
00:44:27,027 --> 00:44:29,147
Speaker 28: some good energy of playing that game. It was just

897
00:44:29,147 --> 00:44:31,827
Speaker 28: the opportunity at that time to get finlay on. Now

898
00:44:32,267 --> 00:44:34,987
Speaker 28: he's got some minutes on the ABIT Jersey, he's away

899
00:44:35,107 --> 00:44:38,507
Speaker 28: more comfortable around that game, so we're happy with what

900
00:44:38,547 --> 00:44:39,227
Speaker 28: it did for him.

901
00:44:40,067 --> 00:44:41,907
Speaker 2: The wouldn't takes you back to number one in the world,

902
00:44:41,987 --> 00:44:44,547
Speaker 2: Scott for the first time since November twenty twenty one.

903
00:44:44,627 --> 00:44:47,667
Speaker 2: I know it's not probably not a key motivator for you,

904
00:44:47,707 --> 00:44:49,747
Speaker 2: but is it a source of pride to be back

905
00:44:49,787 --> 00:44:51,667
Speaker 2: at the top of the world rankings.

906
00:44:53,507 --> 00:44:56,467
Speaker 27: I'm sorry, I didn't know that. It's not something we've

907
00:44:56,467 --> 00:44:58,867
Speaker 27: spoken about this week. What we're speaking about is winning

908
00:44:58,867 --> 00:44:59,267
Speaker 27: this test.

909
00:44:59,347 --> 00:45:01,747
Speaker 28: But if that's the case, then here we should be

910
00:45:01,787 --> 00:45:05,747
Speaker 28: better of that because what that's showing is that we're

911
00:45:07,107 --> 00:45:11,067
Speaker 28: working well, we're growing, and we're a team that honest

912
00:45:11,107 --> 00:45:14,027
Speaker 28: day can be the best in the world. So you know,

913
00:45:14,107 --> 00:45:18,427
Speaker 28: I think we should be positive and.

914
00:45:17,187 --> 00:45:18,147
Speaker 27: Out of that as a nation.

915
00:45:19,067 --> 00:45:20,987
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the fact you didn't know probably answers

916
00:45:20,987 --> 00:45:23,267
Speaker 2: the question. But yeah, it's a nice little byproduct of

917
00:45:24,107 --> 00:45:26,707
Speaker 2: the victory this morning and just before you go, you

918
00:45:26,787 --> 00:45:28,427
Speaker 2: probably haven't had the chance to watch it yet. But

919
00:45:28,427 --> 00:45:30,067
Speaker 2: what did you make of the news out of Johannesburg

920
00:45:30,107 --> 00:45:32,587
Speaker 2: Wallaby's thirty eight spring box twenty two.

921
00:45:34,147 --> 00:45:38,187
Speaker 27: Unbelievable, unbelievable, what's the first half?

922
00:45:38,907 --> 00:45:42,147
Speaker 28: We had meetings in the second half and I thought

923
00:45:42,187 --> 00:45:47,467
Speaker 28: the South Africans were dominant in the first half. A

924
00:45:47,507 --> 00:45:51,027
Speaker 28: great teste from the South Africans and then to hear

925
00:45:51,067 --> 00:45:55,267
Speaker 28: the result of the second half, that's fully there's nothing

926
00:45:55,347 --> 00:45:59,227
Speaker 28: guaranteed around Test match footy. Obviously the Wallabies have gone

927
00:45:59,227 --> 00:46:03,907
Speaker 28: at a half time, they've been clear, calm. There was

928
00:46:03,947 --> 00:46:07,747
Speaker 28: opportunities in the first half, but they've stayed there. Listening

929
00:46:07,787 --> 00:46:09,667
Speaker 28: to guys that I've watched the game, it sounds like

930
00:46:09,667 --> 00:46:16,267
Speaker 28: they're really resilient defensively. Took some moments long long field

931
00:46:16,267 --> 00:46:19,667
Speaker 28: position in regards to try as having to work for

932
00:46:19,947 --> 00:46:23,947
Speaker 28: a distance. I spoke to Ardie about it and we've

933
00:46:23,947 --> 00:46:26,627
Speaker 28: bove said, well, that's test footy and there's nothing guaranteed

934
00:46:26,667 --> 00:46:29,427
Speaker 28: in it. So well on to the Wallabies and it's

935
00:46:29,427 --> 00:46:32,027
Speaker 28: going to be a fantastic competition in the Rugby Championship.

936
00:46:32,667 --> 00:46:35,147
Speaker 2: Well onto the All Blacks as well. Scott enjoyed this

937
00:46:35,267 --> 00:46:36,987
Speaker 2: result or the best for a great week ahead as

938
00:46:36,987 --> 00:46:39,427
Speaker 2: you're prepared for bonus ares. Thanks for joining us across

939
00:46:39,427 --> 00:46:40,507
Speaker 2: New Zealand and ZB.

940
00:46:41,427 --> 00:46:44,387
Speaker 27: Thank you mate, really appreciate that. Thank you, Jason, all.

941
00:46:44,267 --> 00:46:46,267
Speaker 2: The best, Scott, thank you indeed, Scott Hanson. They're joining

942
00:46:46,307 --> 00:46:48,747
Speaker 2: us from as you can probably hear, just outside the

943
00:46:48,787 --> 00:46:52,627
Speaker 2: changing sheds in Cordoba, where the All Blacks have achieved

944
00:46:52,707 --> 00:46:56,027
Speaker 2: victory by forty one points to twenty four. We wanted

945
00:46:56,027 --> 00:46:58,747
Speaker 2: to get to Scott Hanson pretty much straight away. Frank

946
00:46:58,747 --> 00:47:01,227
Speaker 2: Bunks is going to join us in the next half

947
00:47:01,267 --> 00:47:03,347
Speaker 2: an hour or so. But your calls and texts and

948
00:47:03,707 --> 00:47:06,107
Speaker 2: feedback on this test match are well and truly welcome.

949
00:47:06,147 --> 00:47:08,307
Speaker 2: We are up in the show around about eleven fifteen.

950
00:47:08,347 --> 00:47:09,787
Speaker 2: You might not have been aware of that. You might

951
00:47:09,787 --> 00:47:13,147
Speaker 2: have been doing your normal Sunday morning things. We did

952
00:47:13,187 --> 00:47:15,667
Speaker 2: have a few calls and quite a bit of feedback,

953
00:47:15,667 --> 00:47:19,387
Speaker 2: but your feedback is absolutely welcome on the show as always.

954
00:47:19,467 --> 00:47:22,307
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is our phone number,

955
00:47:22,347 --> 00:47:24,187
Speaker 2: nine two nine two. I've got a bunch of things

956
00:47:24,507 --> 00:47:26,627
Speaker 2: that stood out for me in this game. I'm sure

957
00:47:26,627 --> 00:47:28,667
Speaker 2: you'll have some as well. We're get to break away

958
00:47:28,787 --> 00:47:30,827
Speaker 2: Frank Bunch shortly, and then your calls on the Test

959
00:47:30,867 --> 00:47:33,147
Speaker 2: match here on Weekend Sport on News Talks Hebb.

960
00:47:34,387 --> 00:47:37,267
Speaker 1: You be the TMO hand your say on eight hundred

961
00:47:37,307 --> 00:47:42,067
Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Pin and GJ. Gunnerholmes,

962
00:47:42,267 --> 00:47:45,187
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963
00:47:45,787 --> 00:47:50,187
Speaker 2: News Talks AB and Weekend Sport. It is nineteen past midday.

964
00:47:50,227 --> 00:47:53,027
Speaker 2: The All Blacks have got there in Cordoba for you.

965
00:47:53,027 --> 00:47:56,787
Speaker 5: All Blacks go back to number one in the world

966
00:47:56,867 --> 00:48:01,107
Speaker 5: for the first time since November twenty twenty one.

967
00:48:01,347 --> 00:48:04,347
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the byproduct of a forty one twenty four

968
00:48:04,467 --> 00:48:07,027
Speaker 2: win in Cordoba this morning. Let's in one of the

969
00:48:07,107 --> 00:48:10,347
Speaker 2: great All Blacks midfielders sixty nine game fifty five tests

970
00:48:10,347 --> 00:48:12,987
Speaker 2: All Black center Frank Bunce once you would have watched

971
00:48:12,987 --> 00:48:15,347
Speaker 2: with interest. I know, as you do all All Blacks tests.

972
00:48:15,827 --> 00:48:17,867
Speaker 2: How happy you reckon? The All Blacks coaches will be

973
00:48:18,027 --> 00:48:21,347
Speaker 2: overall with that performance before we drill down into parts

974
00:48:21,387 --> 00:48:21,667
Speaker 2: of it.

975
00:48:22,507 --> 00:48:27,427
Speaker 22: Hey, hey, Finy, I think they'll be satisfied. I mean

976
00:48:27,467 --> 00:48:30,067
Speaker 22: it's a it's a good win over a you know,

977
00:48:30,147 --> 00:48:35,307
Speaker 22: over a pretty tough, pretty confident Pumas team and to

978
00:48:35,387 --> 00:48:38,667
Speaker 22: end over there as well. You know, obviously there were

979
00:48:38,787 --> 00:48:41,627
Speaker 22: there were parts that you know, that we need to

980
00:48:41,627 --> 00:48:43,747
Speaker 22: improve on, but I think all and all, they'll be

981
00:48:43,747 --> 00:48:44,587
Speaker 22: pretty satisfied.

982
00:48:45,547 --> 00:48:47,547
Speaker 2: First bit of the second half, the twenty minutes from

983
00:48:47,587 --> 00:48:50,227
Speaker 2: halftime through until about minutes sort of let's say sixty

984
00:48:50,307 --> 00:48:53,987
Speaker 2: sixty five, when Argentina did have momentum. What is the

985
00:48:53,987 --> 00:48:56,747
Speaker 2: best way to combat that on the field, What what

986
00:48:56,827 --> 00:48:59,907
Speaker 2: sort of conversation should have been going on as Argentina

987
00:48:59,947 --> 00:49:01,427
Speaker 2: started to get a bit of a head of steam up.

988
00:49:02,947 --> 00:49:06,027
Speaker 22: I think you you just concentrate on your basics, you know,

989
00:49:06,107 --> 00:49:09,947
Speaker 22: the what you need to do defensively, you know, just

990
00:49:09,987 --> 00:49:13,907
Speaker 22: making sure you're all connected, you're all talking, you know,

991
00:49:13,987 --> 00:49:16,307
Speaker 22: you should just making sure that you are where you

992
00:49:16,347 --> 00:49:19,267
Speaker 22: where you need to be, you know, at a time

993
00:49:19,467 --> 00:49:21,987
Speaker 22: because you know, as we know, all all games, all

994
00:49:21,987 --> 00:49:26,347
Speaker 22: test matches, and that there's there's ebb and flow. So

995
00:49:26,507 --> 00:49:28,867
Speaker 22: Argentina had that obviously, and we you know, we'd made

996
00:49:28,907 --> 00:49:31,387
Speaker 22: a few changes as well, so I think it was

997
00:49:31,467 --> 00:49:36,547
Speaker 22: just time to settle in and just just do it's basics. Really,

998
00:49:36,667 --> 00:49:39,707
Speaker 22: to be honest, there's a lot of talking. You know

999
00:49:39,987 --> 00:49:41,987
Speaker 22: that there's a saying that you know, the more you

1000
00:49:42,027 --> 00:49:44,707
Speaker 22: talk the less you actually have to tackle. So just

1001
00:49:44,787 --> 00:49:48,027
Speaker 22: making sure you're making sure you're connected, you know, and

1002
00:49:48,067 --> 00:49:52,067
Speaker 22: you know, you know where where everyone is, and you

1003
00:49:52,147 --> 00:49:54,267
Speaker 22: just go through and trust what you do.

1004
00:49:55,067 --> 00:49:57,387
Speaker 2: Love that. Did you ever think that, you know, they

1005
00:49:57,387 --> 00:49:59,707
Speaker 2: got back to within seven Argentina did it? Did you

1006
00:49:59,747 --> 00:50:01,427
Speaker 2: feel as though they might come over the top of

1007
00:50:01,467 --> 00:50:04,187
Speaker 2: New Zealand or did you always feel confident that enough

1008
00:50:04,187 --> 00:50:06,987
Speaker 2: of the right things were being said out there for

1009
00:50:06,987 --> 00:50:09,707
Speaker 2: for New Zealand to negotiate their way through it.

1010
00:50:10,867 --> 00:50:15,187
Speaker 22: Yeah, No, I was. I was pretty confident. And and

1011
00:50:15,227 --> 00:50:17,387
Speaker 22: the way that we started to dominate, you know, our

1012
00:50:17,427 --> 00:50:20,667
Speaker 22: line out, you know, really clicked, and and then that

1013
00:50:20,867 --> 00:50:23,187
Speaker 22: rolling mall, you know, they had real, no real answer

1014
00:50:23,707 --> 00:50:25,907
Speaker 22: for that, you know, and so I think our forwards

1015
00:50:25,987 --> 00:50:29,947
Speaker 22: really were we were starting to kick into into gear.

1016
00:50:31,507 --> 00:50:36,067
Speaker 22: So you know, there's obviously never say never, but I was,

1017
00:50:36,227 --> 00:50:38,947
Speaker 22: I was pretty confident, especially the way the forwards were going,

1018
00:50:39,067 --> 00:50:41,027
Speaker 22: you know, at that point, were always starting to go

1019
00:50:41,187 --> 00:50:41,947
Speaker 22: starting to rumble.

1020
00:50:42,907 --> 00:50:45,107
Speaker 2: How do you reckon Billy Proctor is going in in

1021
00:50:45,147 --> 00:50:46,387
Speaker 2: the third a Jersey.

1022
00:50:49,147 --> 00:50:51,827
Speaker 22: He is, well, yeah, he's he's not doing anything wrong.

1023
00:50:51,867 --> 00:50:53,987
Speaker 22: You know, there's there's a few you know, odd mistakes

1024
00:50:54,027 --> 00:50:57,027
Speaker 22: and stuff, but I think, you know, to be honest,

1025
00:50:57,107 --> 00:50:58,827
Speaker 22: I think you can do better. He's a better player

1026
00:50:58,827 --> 00:51:03,627
Speaker 22: than that. But it's it's a matter of matter of

1027
00:51:03,627 --> 00:51:06,747
Speaker 22: of slotting in and and figuring out just test level

1028
00:51:06,827 --> 00:51:10,267
Speaker 22: rugby is a is a different beast. You know, he's

1029
00:51:10,267 --> 00:51:12,947
Speaker 22: no doubt got the ability and now he's just got

1030
00:51:12,987 --> 00:51:16,347
Speaker 22: to find I think, find his game really and and

1031
00:51:16,947 --> 00:51:20,307
Speaker 22: become a lot more confident. And uh, you know, I

1032
00:51:20,347 --> 00:51:22,147
Speaker 22: think he you know, then he moves on and leaps

1033
00:51:22,147 --> 00:51:22,947
Speaker 22: and bounds.

1034
00:51:23,427 --> 00:51:26,547
Speaker 2: How how did how long did it take you from memory?

1035
00:51:26,587 --> 00:51:29,227
Speaker 2: And it's a little while ago, I know, but it

1036
00:51:29,307 --> 00:51:33,947
Speaker 2: seemed like you got you adjusted to test rugby fairly quickly. Yes,

1037
00:51:33,947 --> 00:51:35,467
Speaker 2: you've played for some more, but when you came into

1038
00:51:35,467 --> 00:51:37,147
Speaker 2: the All Blacks, it felt like you were the finished

1039
00:51:37,227 --> 00:51:39,227
Speaker 2: article already. How long does it take?

1040
00:51:40,307 --> 00:51:46,307
Speaker 22: Oh no, I certainly wasn't. I took me to to

1041
00:51:46,307 --> 00:51:49,307
Speaker 22: get confidence in yourself, you know, and then you know,

1042
00:51:49,987 --> 00:51:53,067
Speaker 22: he's everyone's different. You look at Wallace a Titi, you

1043
00:51:53,107 --> 00:51:55,467
Speaker 22: know who just he's a staff from the moment he

1044
00:51:55,947 --> 00:51:58,947
Speaker 22: takes the field. But you know the other people just

1045
00:51:58,987 --> 00:52:01,027
Speaker 22: take a little bit of time to, you know, just

1046
00:52:01,067 --> 00:52:04,187
Speaker 22: to get used to the pace of the game, the rhythm,

1047
00:52:04,747 --> 00:52:06,947
Speaker 22: you know, which if I find out what you you

1048
00:52:06,987 --> 00:52:08,507
Speaker 22: know what you can and can't do, and what you

1049
00:52:08,587 --> 00:52:11,587
Speaker 22: need to do, and preparation is a is a huge thing.

1050
00:52:11,987 --> 00:52:14,747
Speaker 22: And as I say, everyone's different too. It took me,

1051
00:52:15,187 --> 00:52:17,707
Speaker 22: took me a number of test matches before I got

1052
00:52:17,707 --> 00:52:22,067
Speaker 22: my confidence, and you know, might have looked possibly on

1053
00:52:22,107 --> 00:52:24,987
Speaker 22: the outside, you know, as though I really knew what

1054
00:52:24,987 --> 00:52:27,147
Speaker 22: I was doing and I was into it, but there

1055
00:52:27,187 --> 00:52:28,627
Speaker 22: was a there was a lot of work going on

1056
00:52:28,667 --> 00:52:29,787
Speaker 22: behind the scenes.

1057
00:52:30,227 --> 00:52:31,827
Speaker 2: And certainly a lot of work to do for a

1058
00:52:31,827 --> 00:52:34,267
Speaker 2: senter on both sides of the ball. And and you know,

1059
00:52:34,267 --> 00:52:36,547
Speaker 2: we always think of the good centers as those like yourself,

1060
00:52:36,627 --> 00:52:39,187
Speaker 2: Joe Stanley and others who set up there outsides with

1061
00:52:39,347 --> 00:52:42,267
Speaker 2: ball in hand. But then we think about defensive strategy

1062
00:52:42,267 --> 00:52:43,827
Speaker 2: and the way you get up in people's faces and

1063
00:52:43,827 --> 00:52:47,267
Speaker 2: make tackles. As he's learning his trade, the lead, should

1064
00:52:47,267 --> 00:52:49,867
Speaker 2: he be focusing on one or the other more?

1065
00:52:54,787 --> 00:52:58,747
Speaker 22: Uh, it's hard, especially at test match at the level.

1066
00:52:59,947 --> 00:53:03,307
Speaker 22: You know, I think you go through everything. He's obviously

1067
00:53:03,347 --> 00:53:07,747
Speaker 22: got strengths and you know, and he'sbviously got weaknesses or

1068
00:53:07,987 --> 00:53:11,027
Speaker 22: parts of his game that you know that that he

1069
00:53:11,147 --> 00:53:13,307
Speaker 22: knows himself that he can improve on. I don't know

1070
00:53:13,347 --> 00:53:16,987
Speaker 22: what they are, to be honest exactly, but you know,

1071
00:53:16,987 --> 00:53:20,027
Speaker 22: I don't think you can concentrate concentrate on your weaknesses.

1072
00:53:20,187 --> 00:53:22,307
Speaker 22: I guess, you know, make yourself. You know, you've got

1073
00:53:22,347 --> 00:53:25,427
Speaker 22: to become competent at the things that you're you're not

1074
00:53:25,467 --> 00:53:29,267
Speaker 22: so good at, you know, because there's no real place

1075
00:53:29,307 --> 00:53:33,467
Speaker 22: to hide, you know, at that level. But you know,

1076
00:53:33,547 --> 00:53:36,067
Speaker 22: he's he's got all the goods. He's definitely got all

1077
00:53:36,067 --> 00:53:39,267
Speaker 22: the goods. So it's just a matter of just a

1078
00:53:39,307 --> 00:53:41,827
Speaker 22: matter of finding, you know, finding yourself. I think in

1079
00:53:41,947 --> 00:53:44,267
Speaker 22: the end, he's got to work in you know, they're

1080
00:53:44,267 --> 00:53:47,867
Speaker 22: they're chopping and changing, you know, people that he's playing with.

1081
00:53:48,107 --> 00:53:51,267
Speaker 22: The game itself has changed. You know, there's there's so

1082
00:53:51,347 --> 00:53:54,667
Speaker 22: many there's so many different facets that you know, it's

1083
00:53:54,707 --> 00:53:56,067
Speaker 22: it's it's hard to pinpoint.

1084
00:53:57,147 --> 00:53:59,827
Speaker 2: So just back to the overall performance, is that the

1085
00:53:59,827 --> 00:54:01,507
Speaker 2: all Blacks. I mean they get the one right, I

1086
00:54:01,587 --> 00:54:04,387
Speaker 2: get the bonus point. You know, mission accomplished as far

1087
00:54:04,427 --> 00:54:06,867
Speaker 2: as that is concerned. But they're always on this quest

1088
00:54:06,867 --> 00:54:09,307
Speaker 2: for constant improvement and looking at how they can do

1089
00:54:09,387 --> 00:54:12,627
Speaker 2: things better. If if there were one or two things

1090
00:54:12,627 --> 00:54:15,347
Speaker 2: that I'll be looking to do better in the second

1091
00:54:15,347 --> 00:54:17,347
Speaker 2: test in a week from now, Any idea what they

1092
00:54:17,427 --> 00:54:19,987
Speaker 2: might be focusing their retention on across the week.

1093
00:54:21,307 --> 00:54:25,027
Speaker 22: I think, you know, early on they it's a lot

1094
00:54:25,027 --> 00:54:26,907
Speaker 22: of the timing, well not a lot of it, but

1095
00:54:26,987 --> 00:54:29,907
Speaker 22: you know, some of the timing was was out, especially

1096
00:54:30,587 --> 00:54:35,187
Speaker 22: you know with the becks, and and you know, we

1097
00:54:35,187 --> 00:54:38,107
Speaker 22: we we saw drop bare, we saw we saw some

1098
00:54:38,107 --> 00:54:42,107
Speaker 22: some poor passing, timing, you know, miss timing and things

1099
00:54:42,147 --> 00:54:42,507
Speaker 22: like that.

1100
00:54:43,547 --> 00:54:44,707
Speaker 18: I think it's.

1101
00:54:46,347 --> 00:54:49,547
Speaker 22: I think it's it's reasonably small things, you know, and

1102
00:54:49,587 --> 00:54:51,267
Speaker 22: we haven't had a game for a little while. We've

1103
00:54:51,267 --> 00:54:53,467
Speaker 22: got a few new names in there, so it's it's

1104
00:54:53,547 --> 00:54:57,907
Speaker 22: kind of settling. But I think I think accuracy really

1105
00:54:58,227 --> 00:55:03,027
Speaker 22: because we you know, we started pretty well, got ourselves

1106
00:55:03,067 --> 00:55:06,427
Speaker 22: in a little bit of stripe, you know, but but

1107
00:55:06,427 --> 00:55:08,587
Speaker 22: but took what Argentina had to had to give, and

1108
00:55:09,587 --> 00:55:11,707
Speaker 22: I don't think, you know, at any stage really were

1109
00:55:11,707 --> 00:55:15,067
Speaker 22: we under under too much pressure. So in terms of

1110
00:55:15,187 --> 00:55:18,507
Speaker 22: going into next week, I think accuracy really is one

1111
00:55:18,507 --> 00:55:19,747
Speaker 22: of the main focuses.

1112
00:55:20,827 --> 00:55:22,627
Speaker 2: Did you did you say that, I don't know if

1113
00:55:22,627 --> 00:55:24,827
Speaker 2: you saw the game, but that result out of Joe

1114
00:55:24,827 --> 00:55:27,427
Speaker 2: Berg this morning Australia coming from twenty two nil down

1115
00:55:27,467 --> 00:55:30,587
Speaker 2: to put thirty eight unanswered points on the spring box.

1116
00:55:31,427 --> 00:55:34,467
Speaker 22: Exactly. Man, no one was expecting it. And I think,

1117
00:55:34,587 --> 00:55:37,147
Speaker 22: was it your show yesterday with that guy he was

1118
00:55:37,227 --> 00:55:38,827
Speaker 22: he was betting one hundred and fifty bucks.

1119
00:55:39,027 --> 00:55:41,027
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have beat the thirteen plus of one

1120
00:55:41,067 --> 00:55:43,627
Speaker 2: two and a half grand exactly.

1121
00:55:43,667 --> 00:55:46,987
Speaker 22: That's that's actually what came to mine first, the first thing.

1122
00:55:47,507 --> 00:55:49,587
Speaker 18: But oh that guy we going, oh what do you

1123
00:55:49,627 --> 00:55:50,747
Speaker 18: take the soccer?

1124
00:55:50,747 --> 00:55:52,787
Speaker 2: I think yeah he won that one as well, which

1125
00:55:52,827 --> 00:55:54,987
Speaker 2: was okay, but yeah, he would have won. But then

1126
00:55:55,307 --> 00:55:57,307
Speaker 2: who would have taken that bet? Though, Buzzy, you know.

1127
00:55:57,467 --> 00:56:00,827
Speaker 22: Exactly exactly you may have gone because you know, you

1128
00:56:00,907 --> 00:56:04,867
Speaker 22: weren't actually fronting up with the money, that's right, you know,

1129
00:56:04,947 --> 00:56:06,827
Speaker 22: so it wasn't yours to losing the first place.

1130
00:56:06,867 --> 00:56:08,987
Speaker 18: But yeah, no one would have picked it.

1131
00:56:09,107 --> 00:56:12,707
Speaker 22: I'm pretty sure, you know, even the no you'd have

1132
00:56:12,787 --> 00:56:15,867
Speaker 22: to say, even some of the you know, the Wallaby supporters,

1133
00:56:16,387 --> 00:56:18,227
Speaker 22: I doubt if a lot of them would have would

1134
00:56:18,227 --> 00:56:19,147
Speaker 22: have bet any money on it.

1135
00:56:19,627 --> 00:56:21,507
Speaker 2: I reckon, you're right, I reckon, you're right. Sets up

1136
00:56:21,507 --> 00:56:24,387
Speaker 2: a fascinating Rugby Championship. Hey Frank, always good to chat mate.

1137
00:56:24,387 --> 00:56:25,267
Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time.

1138
00:56:25,467 --> 00:56:27,347
Speaker 22: Yeah, mate, not a problem.

1139
00:56:26,907 --> 00:56:28,907
Speaker 2: All the best. Frank Bunch are one of our best.

1140
00:56:28,907 --> 00:56:31,507
Speaker 2: And the thirteen jumper with some salient thoughts there on

1141
00:56:31,547 --> 00:56:33,587
Speaker 2: the All Blacks performance this morning. All right, you've heard

1142
00:56:33,587 --> 00:56:36,147
Speaker 2: from Scott Hansen, you've heard from Frank Bunch, You've had

1143
00:56:36,187 --> 00:56:38,307
Speaker 2: an hour and a half to think about it. Let's

1144
00:56:38,307 --> 00:56:40,427
Speaker 2: hear from you. Your chance to react now. Oh eight

1145
00:56:40,467 --> 00:56:44,147
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If today has taught us

1146
00:56:44,187 --> 00:56:50,627
Speaker 2: anything it is that seemingly comfortable leads can become uncomfortable

1147
00:56:51,347 --> 00:56:56,867
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. South Africa tweety two Nillahead losing thirty eight

1148
00:56:57,067 --> 00:57:00,147
Speaker 2: twenty two. The All Blacks are head thirty one to

1149
00:57:00,147 --> 00:57:04,667
Speaker 2: ten at halftime. Argentina got back to within a converted

1150
00:57:04,707 --> 00:57:09,027
Speaker 2: try at thirty one twenty four. You simply cannot relax

1151
00:57:09,987 --> 00:57:13,667
Speaker 2: and test rugby, and it's not just test rugby. A

1152
00:57:13,747 --> 00:57:17,947
Speaker 2: text before Midday pointed out that Southland did exactly the

1153
00:57:17,987 --> 00:57:21,867
Speaker 2: same thing against manaw two the other night. We were

1154
00:57:21,947 --> 00:57:25,467
Speaker 2: they twenty two nil down. Maybe twenty two nil is

1155
00:57:25,507 --> 00:57:29,907
Speaker 2: a very dangerous lead. Maybe that's the off'm talking football about.

1156
00:57:29,907 --> 00:57:34,187
Speaker 2: Two nil being a dangerous lead. Maybe in rugby twenty

1157
00:57:34,627 --> 00:57:38,827
Speaker 2: twenty two nil is a dangerous lead because on Friday

1158
00:57:38,867 --> 00:57:42,267
Speaker 2: night down in the Vicargol it was twenty two nil

1159
00:57:42,747 --> 00:57:45,907
Speaker 2: to Manawit two at half time over Southland and twenty

1160
00:57:45,987 --> 00:57:50,987
Speaker 2: nine unanswered points in the second half, so comebacks can happen.

1161
00:57:52,507 --> 00:57:56,627
Speaker 2: Excellent first half from the all Blacks thought they were

1162
00:57:56,667 --> 00:58:02,187
Speaker 2: really good. They did everything with intent. They scored some

1163
00:58:02,267 --> 00:58:07,507
Speaker 2: good tries, they kicked well for fueled position. They put

1164
00:58:07,547 --> 00:58:11,547
Speaker 2: pressure on and earned a number of penalties. A couple

1165
00:58:11,547 --> 00:58:16,907
Speaker 2: of tries from sever Reese, a rolling mall from it

1166
00:58:16,947 --> 00:58:18,627
Speaker 2: looked like Cody Taylor, but he handed it off to

1167
00:58:18,747 --> 00:58:22,987
Speaker 2: Ardie Savia and Cortez Latimer's try running off the shoulder

1168
00:58:23,027 --> 00:58:26,187
Speaker 2: of Will Jordan I thought was exceptional. So excellent first half.

1169
00:58:27,787 --> 00:58:30,787
Speaker 2: The twenty minutes after halftime is the one is the

1170
00:58:30,827 --> 00:58:33,067
Speaker 2: segment of that game if we break it into quarters.

1171
00:58:33,747 --> 00:58:37,667
Speaker 2: And this isn't rocket science, I know, but that'll be

1172
00:58:37,707 --> 00:58:42,147
Speaker 2: the twenty minutes that furrow the brow of Scott robertson,

1173
00:58:42,467 --> 00:58:47,347
Speaker 2: of Scott Hansen, Jason holland Jason Ryan, all of them.

1174
00:58:47,787 --> 00:58:50,307
Speaker 2: That'll be the that'll be the part of the game

1175
00:58:50,307 --> 00:58:51,907
Speaker 2: that they will be looking at what did you see

1176
00:58:51,947 --> 00:58:55,147
Speaker 2: in that time? Because it just seemed to happen all

1177
00:58:55,187 --> 00:58:59,507
Speaker 2: of a sudden, didn't it. All of a sudden. Argentina

1178
00:58:59,547 --> 00:59:01,347
Speaker 2: were kind of getting their way back into the game.

1179
00:59:03,347 --> 00:59:04,907
Speaker 2: Look back at some of the notes that I made

1180
00:59:05,147 --> 00:59:08,467
Speaker 2: after half time, and I said, scrap. I've written out

1181
00:59:08,467 --> 00:59:10,547
Speaker 2: here scrappy first ten in the second half, and then

1182
00:59:10,867 --> 00:59:14,227
Speaker 2: ten minutes later, I've got scrappy second ten in the

1183
00:59:14,267 --> 00:59:17,907
Speaker 2: second half. Absolute momentum shift. I thought the decision to

1184
00:59:18,027 --> 00:59:21,627
Speaker 2: change players around the fifty minute mark was interesting to

1185
00:59:21,707 --> 00:59:25,067
Speaker 2: Grout and Neil Taylor all Off entirely changed front row,

1186
00:59:25,107 --> 00:59:27,747
Speaker 2: and I thought they were scrummaging very very well. Set

1187
00:59:27,747 --> 00:59:30,067
Speaker 2: piece was really good. Didn't lose a single line out

1188
00:59:30,067 --> 00:59:33,947
Speaker 2: tonight the All Blacks or today. The removal of Cortez

1189
00:59:34,027 --> 00:59:37,187
Speaker 2: l Artima, though, was the real mystery to me. I

1190
00:59:37,187 --> 00:59:38,907
Speaker 2: thought he was having one of his best test matches.

1191
00:59:39,827 --> 00:59:42,027
Speaker 2: And when Cortez l Artima came into the All Blacks,

1192
00:59:42,027 --> 00:59:46,027
Speaker 2: he he really made an impact, didn't he In that

1193
00:59:46,067 --> 00:59:49,827
Speaker 2: twenty one jumper to start with? I thought he had

1194
00:59:49,827 --> 00:59:51,827
Speaker 2: one of his best test matches. I thought taking him

1195
00:59:51,827 --> 00:59:53,587
Speaker 2: off with ten minutes gone in the second half was

1196
00:59:53,627 --> 00:59:57,267
Speaker 2: a strange decision. Finlake Christy, though, I think gave a

1197
00:59:57,307 --> 00:59:59,307
Speaker 2: pretty good account of himself, given the fact hasn't played

1198
00:59:59,307 --> 01:00:02,747
Speaker 2: with the All Black since the first part of last year.

1199
01:00:06,427 --> 01:00:09,747
Speaker 2: Other things to catch the eye. I thought Boden Baron

1200
01:00:09,747 --> 01:00:12,507
Speaker 2: had a good game. I know opinion has always divided

1201
01:00:12,507 --> 01:00:13,907
Speaker 2: on Bode him. I've got a couple of texts to

1202
01:00:13,947 --> 01:00:18,267
Speaker 2: this to this effect already, But I just think he

1203
01:00:18,507 --> 01:00:20,907
Speaker 2: is a steady hand in the ten jersey for the

1204
01:00:20,907 --> 01:00:23,787
Speaker 2: All Blacks. Never looks rushed, never seem stressed. He'll look

1205
01:00:23,787 --> 01:00:27,427
Speaker 2: at his kicking game, his kicks and play, and he

1206
01:00:27,467 --> 01:00:30,227
Speaker 2: wasn't one hundred percent, but his goal kicking is good.

1207
01:00:30,267 --> 01:00:33,507
Speaker 2: He only missed those two conversions at the end, by

1208
01:00:33,547 --> 01:00:36,667
Speaker 2: which stage the All Blacks pretty much had it in

1209
01:00:36,707 --> 01:00:39,107
Speaker 2: the bag anyway. But I just think he's a He's

1210
01:00:39,147 --> 01:00:43,507
Speaker 2: a steady hand. He's the best guy to be in

1211
01:00:43,507 --> 01:00:46,667
Speaker 2: the ten jersey right now. Talked about Cortesla to my

1212
01:00:46,787 --> 01:00:50,987
Speaker 2: Ardi Savie, excellent again. He's got thirty test tries now,

1213
01:00:50,987 --> 01:00:54,587
Speaker 2: you know, thirty three to zero, fifteenth on the all

1214
01:00:54,667 --> 01:00:58,507
Speaker 2: time list. That's more than Dan Carter, more than Aaron Smith.

1215
01:00:58,587 --> 01:01:01,267
Speaker 2: One short of Mananu and they've all played more test

1216
01:01:01,347 --> 01:01:06,867
Speaker 2: than he has, so Adi Savie standing out again Vity

1217
01:01:08,067 --> 01:01:09,987
Speaker 2: and the six jumper. I think they'll go with that now,

1218
01:01:10,027 --> 01:01:13,707
Speaker 2: won't they. I think that's what they'll do if we

1219
01:01:13,747 --> 01:01:16,347
Speaker 2: look at that South African Test at Eden Park on

1220
01:01:16,387 --> 01:01:18,867
Speaker 2: the sixth of September. I think that's who plays in

1221
01:01:18,907 --> 01:01:23,987
Speaker 2: the six jumper and in the lineout when two por

1222
01:01:24,067 --> 01:01:28,667
Speaker 2: Viti plays, There's just it makes such a huge difference

1223
01:01:28,667 --> 01:01:31,507
Speaker 2: at lineout time. When you've got Fabi in Holland and

1224
01:01:31,507 --> 01:01:33,427
Speaker 2: Scott Barrett, and you add two por Vaty in the

1225
01:01:33,467 --> 01:01:37,427
Speaker 2: you've basically got three locks, three lineout targets. Add Artie

1226
01:01:37,467 --> 01:01:40,547
Speaker 2: Savia who can also win lineout, and there's plenty of options,

1227
01:01:41,027 --> 01:01:43,547
Speaker 2: heaps of options. And I thought the referee had a

1228
01:01:43,547 --> 01:01:48,027
Speaker 2: pretty good game of honest Pierre Bruce. I thought he

1229
01:01:48,027 --> 01:01:50,907
Speaker 2: had a good game. Yellow card at the end was

1230
01:01:50,947 --> 01:01:55,107
Speaker 2: a bit strange for Anton lennot Brown. Otherwise I thought

1231
01:01:55,107 --> 01:01:58,467
Speaker 2: he had a good game. Oh eight hundred and eighty

1232
01:01:58,467 --> 01:02:00,947
Speaker 2: ten eighties an animal. Let's get some feedback from you,

1233
01:02:01,027 --> 01:02:02,307
Speaker 2: Greg hi mate.

1234
01:02:03,387 --> 01:02:11,147
Speaker 21: Afternoon Piney. Fairly fairly good game, bit scratching in places.

1235
01:02:11,547 --> 01:02:17,747
Speaker 21: I think the all Blacks really need to read that referee.

1236
01:02:18,707 --> 01:02:23,747
Speaker 21: He is really really pedantic. And there was a few

1237
01:02:23,867 --> 01:02:27,787
Speaker 21: few times there where they sort of good things they

1238
01:02:27,827 --> 01:02:30,947
Speaker 21: knew they didn't didn't need to and got ping for it.

1239
01:02:31,467 --> 01:02:37,227
Speaker 21: But so did the The argis my my thoughts about

1240
01:02:37,467 --> 01:02:43,187
Speaker 21: why they took off court was only one thing was

1241
01:02:43,227 --> 01:02:46,907
Speaker 21: to give Christy some time. Yeah, he hasn't been all

1242
01:02:46,947 --> 01:02:52,027
Speaker 21: black fault all that for some time, and so that

1243
01:02:52,227 --> 01:02:54,827
Speaker 21: I think would be only the rationale why he did it.

1244
01:02:55,307 --> 01:02:58,987
Speaker 21: So that Christy he get his hands on the ball,

1245
01:02:58,987 --> 01:03:00,907
Speaker 21: get out there and play with the boys.

1246
01:03:02,547 --> 01:03:03,227
Speaker 14: Just on that.

1247
01:03:04,147 --> 01:03:05,787
Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, great, just on that before you move on.

1248
01:03:05,907 --> 01:03:08,547
Speaker 2: Just on that. And Scott Hansen said exactly that. He said, look,

1249
01:03:08,547 --> 01:03:09,987
Speaker 2: Finlay's had a good week with us. We needed to

1250
01:03:09,987 --> 01:03:11,467
Speaker 2: get him back in the black jersey, get him out

1251
01:03:11,467 --> 01:03:13,427
Speaker 2: there for half an hour. I totally get that. I

1252
01:03:13,507 --> 01:03:16,107
Speaker 2: just don't think it. Rewards are really good fifty minutes

1253
01:03:16,107 --> 01:03:21,307
Speaker 2: from cortez Raatima, But.

1254
01:03:21,667 --> 01:03:25,747
Speaker 21: I think you're playing you're playing a team sport. You

1255
01:03:25,787 --> 01:03:32,187
Speaker 21: know how many, how many totally twenty three You really

1256
01:03:32,227 --> 01:03:36,347
Speaker 21: need those twenty three all to be able to jump

1257
01:03:36,387 --> 01:03:39,627
Speaker 21: on at any stage and fit into what's happening. On

1258
01:03:39,627 --> 01:03:44,707
Speaker 21: the field, because same thing with taking off. Basically any

1259
01:03:44,707 --> 01:03:46,427
Speaker 21: of the players that were out there, nobody was doing

1260
01:03:46,427 --> 01:03:52,107
Speaker 21: anything wrong, and so really my thoughts would be just,

1261
01:03:52,267 --> 01:03:54,027
Speaker 21: you know, no need to give him rid of experience.

1262
01:03:54,747 --> 01:03:57,147
Speaker 21: Some of then't played for some time, especially not in

1263
01:03:57,147 --> 01:03:57,827
Speaker 21: that environment.

1264
01:04:01,267 --> 01:04:04,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, good point, Rick, good point. Yeah. I

1265
01:04:04,507 --> 01:04:06,307
Speaker 2: feel like if I'm Cortez Rautam, I've had a really

1266
01:04:06,387 --> 01:04:08,427
Speaker 2: good fifty minutes and I think are yeah, and they

1267
01:04:08,467 --> 01:04:10,707
Speaker 2: all the jersey is bigger than all of them, of

1268
01:04:10,747 --> 01:04:13,707
Speaker 2: course it is. I just thought when he came off,

1269
01:04:14,947 --> 01:04:18,507
Speaker 2: Argentina had started to kind of you know, the first

1270
01:04:18,507 --> 01:04:20,667
Speaker 2: ten minutes of the second half was Argentinas, but they

1271
01:04:20,667 --> 01:04:22,627
Speaker 2: didn't score any points. Then they made the changes and

1272
01:04:22,667 --> 01:04:25,827
Speaker 2: it was straight away after that they scored off that scrum,

1273
01:04:25,827 --> 01:04:27,787
Speaker 2: didn't they It was fairly ordinary set piece defense from

1274
01:04:27,867 --> 01:04:30,867
Speaker 2: us actually, And it's thirty one seventeen. I don't think Latimer,

1275
01:04:30,907 --> 01:04:34,587
Speaker 2: Degrout and Newell and Taylor even sat down. But yeah,

1276
01:04:34,747 --> 01:04:37,347
Speaker 2: I was really pleased for Cortez Latima, I have to say,

1277
01:04:38,267 --> 01:04:41,067
Speaker 2: because there's been a bit of heat on him. Noah

1278
01:04:41,107 --> 01:04:43,307
Speaker 2: Hotham was coming up fast. We all know how good

1279
01:04:43,307 --> 01:04:47,187
Speaker 2: cam Roy garters but yeah, I thought Cortez had a

1280
01:04:47,227 --> 01:04:49,747
Speaker 2: good game. Thanks Greg, Drive safe mate, Hi Roger.

1281
01:04:50,987 --> 01:04:54,187
Speaker 10: Hi Piney. Yeah, dis serving on that. I think there's

1282
01:04:54,187 --> 01:04:57,107
Speaker 10: probably been a decision made the only way to build

1283
01:04:57,107 --> 01:04:59,507
Speaker 10: this E three football player depth is to give him time.

1284
01:04:59,547 --> 01:05:01,627
Speaker 10: I mean, South just been doing it for all thirty minutes.

1285
01:05:01,627 --> 01:05:03,547
Speaker 10: Whether rapped and they had a sort of a crappy

1286
01:05:03,627 --> 01:05:06,187
Speaker 10: game or not, I'm sure he would have got subject.

1287
01:05:06,827 --> 01:05:08,467
Speaker 10: So I think he'll just take that with a grain

1288
01:05:08,507 --> 01:05:11,507
Speaker 10: of salt. He'll be proud of his performance and he'll

1289
01:05:11,507 --> 01:05:14,747
Speaker 10: go again next week. It's number six. I'd like to

1290
01:05:14,787 --> 01:05:17,267
Speaker 10: talk about two potent. Oh my god. He looked like

1291
01:05:17,307 --> 01:05:19,027
Speaker 10: he was having so much fun out there. Man, he's

1292
01:05:19,067 --> 01:05:22,027
Speaker 10: just bouncing people around us. Oh man, I mean I

1293
01:05:22,067 --> 01:05:24,227
Speaker 10: haven't caught your entire show with the vote that's popping

1294
01:05:24,267 --> 01:05:26,907
Speaker 10: the mad butcher and get some I can breast for

1295
01:05:26,987 --> 01:05:28,827
Speaker 10: my son. But the other one I really wanted to

1296
01:05:28,867 --> 01:05:31,947
Speaker 10: talk to you about, mate quickly, was number seven. Carefie.

1297
01:05:31,947 --> 01:05:32,107
Speaker 25: Oh.

1298
01:05:32,187 --> 01:05:34,307
Speaker 10: I don't know if you've touched on it too much today,

1299
01:05:34,307 --> 01:05:37,827
Speaker 10: but I just felt like, how many minutes did he play?

1300
01:05:37,867 --> 01:05:38,547
Speaker 21: Have you got it?

1301
01:05:39,067 --> 01:05:41,787
Speaker 2: Is he eighty or yeah? He played the whole lighty minutes.

1302
01:05:41,787 --> 01:05:45,027
Speaker 2: I'll just confirm that. But yeah, yeah, you know, you

1303
01:05:45,027 --> 01:05:45,547
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.

1304
01:05:46,667 --> 01:05:49,067
Speaker 10: No, I love him, mate, seventy five minutes, you're still

1305
01:05:49,107 --> 01:05:51,227
Speaker 10: bouncing up and around like you just started the game.

1306
01:05:51,267 --> 01:05:53,907
Speaker 10: It's next a missing mate. That energy is just so,

1307
01:05:54,507 --> 01:05:56,787
Speaker 10: that's letter can physical. The fitness is near the street.

1308
01:05:56,867 --> 01:05:59,067
Speaker 10: I think he'll be fine against the big Bopper's mate.

1309
01:05:59,347 --> 01:06:01,867
Speaker 2: Oh, Roger, I'm so pleased to hear you say that,

1310
01:06:01,987 --> 01:06:04,427
Speaker 2: because I thought when you started, when you said the

1311
01:06:04,507 --> 01:06:06,187
Speaker 2: number seven, I thought you were going to say what

1312
01:06:06,347 --> 01:06:08,027
Speaker 2: a lot of people have said to me, and that's

1313
01:06:08,027 --> 01:06:11,147
Speaker 2: that he's not big enough. But I think his heart,

1314
01:06:11,427 --> 01:06:13,867
Speaker 2: his heart is big enough. I know that's a little

1315
01:06:13,867 --> 01:06:16,307
Speaker 2: bit cliche and maybe a little bit corny, but you're right.

1316
01:06:16,307 --> 01:06:18,067
Speaker 2: He played that. Yeah, he did play the whole eighty minutes.

1317
01:06:18,267 --> 01:06:21,107
Speaker 2: He was bouncing around. He's a bit of a hype man.

1318
01:06:22,187 --> 01:06:23,107
Speaker 2: I like him.

1319
01:06:23,667 --> 01:06:26,427
Speaker 10: Unreal me too, mate, And like, hey, those fours aren't

1320
01:06:26,467 --> 01:06:27,787
Speaker 10: stare are they?

1321
01:06:28,027 --> 01:06:31,707
Speaker 2: No? No, they're not Argentina Rassal. Yeah, but no, No,

1322
01:06:32,107 --> 01:06:35,707
Speaker 2: it'll be interesting, rog because I think when Wallace a T.

1323
01:06:35,827 --> 01:06:38,707
Speaker 2: T Is fit, it's probably Wallace to tt Ardie sa

1324
01:06:38,827 --> 01:06:41,507
Speaker 2: via tupul Vai. I think that's probably the loose trio.

1325
01:06:41,667 --> 01:06:43,787
Speaker 2: But I think Duples has got a role to play,

1326
01:06:44,227 --> 01:06:46,267
Speaker 2: be it from the starters in this game or off

1327
01:06:46,267 --> 01:06:47,427
Speaker 2: the bench to add that energy.

1328
01:06:48,227 --> 01:06:50,307
Speaker 10: Hundred. But he's at the level of me.

1329
01:06:50,427 --> 01:06:50,867
Speaker 3: He's there.

1330
01:06:51,867 --> 01:06:53,667
Speaker 2: He is, indeed, Roch good to chat to you, mate,

1331
01:06:53,707 --> 01:06:56,147
Speaker 2: got a move, but always enjoy chatting Raby with you.

1332
01:06:56,387 --> 01:06:58,387
Speaker 2: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty a j what

1333
01:06:58,387 --> 01:06:59,027
Speaker 2: did you make of it?

1334
01:06:59,147 --> 01:06:59,267
Speaker 3: Oh?

1335
01:06:59,307 --> 01:07:00,387
Speaker 2: You want to talk Wallaby.

1336
01:07:03,507 --> 01:07:08,187
Speaker 8: Congetulations that the pressure and Kembo needs to stop one

1337
01:07:08,267 --> 01:07:10,027
Speaker 8: of really smoking mate, Like you know, it was cool

1338
01:07:10,067 --> 01:07:12,627
Speaker 8: this week that goes. I don't know what he's talking about.

1339
01:07:12,907 --> 01:07:14,787
Speaker 8: My god, did he looked like a fool this morning?

1340
01:07:14,867 --> 01:07:15,347
Speaker 3: Now? Yeah?

1341
01:07:15,907 --> 01:07:21,147
Speaker 2: He Honestly the number of online comments I've seen saying,

1342
01:07:21,267 --> 01:07:23,947
Speaker 2: David Campez he has to eat a mess of slice

1343
01:07:23,947 --> 01:07:27,147
Speaker 2: of humble pie incredible And I feel happy for Jose,

1344
01:07:27,227 --> 01:07:29,467
Speaker 2: But I mean he's one of ours, isn't he really is?

1345
01:07:29,507 --> 01:07:31,147
Speaker 8: He's one of the else? Yeah, and I really building

1346
01:07:31,227 --> 01:07:36,027
Speaker 8: that son and do that's got believed you? Like what's

1347
01:07:36,027 --> 01:07:36,307
Speaker 8: his name?

1348
01:07:36,347 --> 01:07:36,547
Speaker 22: Tom?

1349
01:07:36,627 --> 01:07:36,747
Speaker 17: Right?

1350
01:07:36,867 --> 01:07:39,467
Speaker 8: He was absolutely upstanding in the game this morning, apart

1351
01:07:39,467 --> 01:07:41,827
Speaker 8: from his first bootoo. He dropped the high ball. But

1352
01:07:41,907 --> 01:07:44,667
Speaker 8: a part on that I don't need to spring box

1353
01:07:44,747 --> 01:07:47,147
Speaker 8: realize how quickly when he was well, he writ like

1354
01:07:47,267 --> 01:07:49,827
Speaker 8: he was coming through hot three butter. But I want

1355
01:07:49,827 --> 01:07:52,307
Speaker 8: to talk about my mate COURTI rather my teeth. I

1356
01:07:52,347 --> 01:07:54,467
Speaker 8: thought he hit his fist game this morning. I thought

1357
01:07:54,467 --> 01:07:57,187
Speaker 8: he was absolutely upstanding to the and when he was

1358
01:07:57,267 --> 01:07:59,227
Speaker 8: first prick for the teeth and all that. That's what

1359
01:07:59,227 --> 01:08:01,987
Speaker 8: that Adam was a quick passing like he's got the

1360
01:08:01,987 --> 01:08:04,347
Speaker 8: most secret passing the out of all four half bicks

1361
01:08:04,587 --> 01:08:07,667
Speaker 8: and like mister when we come up at fifty minutes

1362
01:08:08,387 --> 01:08:11,547
Speaker 8: and whatnot, and also couldn't buy like he's just grown

1363
01:08:11,707 --> 01:08:13,747
Speaker 8: and growing and growing. But I don't think I do

1364
01:08:13,907 --> 01:08:16,747
Speaker 8: have a problem with Relly Poduct and I listened to

1365
01:08:16,747 --> 01:08:19,667
Speaker 8: Franklin and whatnot. He's just making too many mistakes on

1366
01:08:19,747 --> 01:08:22,387
Speaker 8: me mate. Twice he went up and out of the line,

1367
01:08:22,427 --> 01:08:23,867
Speaker 8: which I don't have a problem with that. If you're

1368
01:08:23,867 --> 01:08:25,467
Speaker 8: going to go down the line, you've got to make

1369
01:08:25,467 --> 01:08:28,267
Speaker 8: that spot tackle on twice he can do that this morning.

1370
01:08:28,627 --> 01:08:30,427
Speaker 8: And then then as to rugby, if you do that

1371
01:08:30,467 --> 01:08:34,027
Speaker 8: against Jessy quill or, Damon de Lingez, doug On mate,

1372
01:08:34,067 --> 01:08:35,507
Speaker 8: Doug go On, that's a tribe you know.

1373
01:08:36,427 --> 01:08:39,467
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jay, I look, I agree. I thought it was

1374
01:08:39,467 --> 01:08:42,187
Speaker 2: another mixed out thing for Billy Procter. I still think

1375
01:08:42,587 --> 01:08:45,227
Speaker 2: he's finding his way at test level. I do like

1376
01:08:45,307 --> 01:08:48,067
Speaker 2: the fact that he's been given the opportunity to do that.

1377
01:08:48,587 --> 01:08:51,067
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think he'll look back and he'll he

1378
01:08:51,107 --> 01:08:53,507
Speaker 2: won't be happy. He'll he'll look at things that he

1379
01:08:53,547 --> 01:08:56,467
Speaker 2: needs to do better. But I do like the fact

1380
01:08:56,507 --> 01:08:59,067
Speaker 2: that they're giving him a crack there, and and I

1381
01:08:59,147 --> 01:09:02,587
Speaker 2: feel like he'll play next week in the thirteen Jersey and.

1382
01:09:02,667 --> 01:09:05,267
Speaker 8: What about a call for twenty twenty seven in Australia.

1383
01:09:05,387 --> 01:09:08,107
Speaker 8: So all bit center and your rona man as he

1384
01:09:08,187 --> 01:09:10,667
Speaker 8: looked on fire like he was just standing the super

1385
01:09:10,707 --> 01:09:13,347
Speaker 8: rugby for the Chiefs. But since he's gone back to Taranaki,

1386
01:09:13,587 --> 01:09:15,547
Speaker 8: he looks like he's playing above everybody else.

1387
01:09:15,587 --> 01:09:15,707
Speaker 17: Man.

1388
01:09:15,747 --> 01:09:18,347
Speaker 8: He's just been outstanding in my opinion. And I think

1389
01:09:18,427 --> 01:09:20,427
Speaker 8: that he'll go away with All Black fifteen end of

1390
01:09:20,467 --> 01:09:22,467
Speaker 8: this year, and then by next year he might be

1391
01:09:22,467 --> 01:09:24,707
Speaker 8: in if he carries on plane because Anton Len's going

1392
01:09:24,707 --> 01:09:27,867
Speaker 8: on a sabbatical this year. He might be in the

1393
01:09:27,867 --> 01:09:29,867
Speaker 8: All Backs next year. Anyways, Finny I wanted to ask you,

1394
01:09:29,907 --> 01:09:31,307
Speaker 8: are you going to do those pub tours we' hit

1395
01:09:31,307 --> 01:09:32,987
Speaker 8: those second because I'm going to be at All Bleacks

1396
01:09:33,587 --> 01:09:36,347
Speaker 8: in in Wellington but Austin Eden Park mate. Yeah, so

1397
01:09:36,587 --> 01:09:38,427
Speaker 8: are you gonna have to like you did in Hamilton?

1398
01:09:38,467 --> 01:09:38,627
Speaker 27: Mate?

1399
01:09:38,627 --> 01:09:40,787
Speaker 8: Are you going to have a a j.

1400
01:09:40,907 --> 01:09:43,907
Speaker 2: We have had just had it confirmed this very week

1401
01:09:43,987 --> 01:09:45,987
Speaker 2: mate that yes, we're going to be. We're going to

1402
01:09:46,027 --> 01:09:49,147
Speaker 2: be at the Kingslander in Auckland between midday and three

1403
01:09:49,667 --> 01:09:50,907
Speaker 2: on the sixth of September.

1404
01:09:51,067 --> 01:09:54,587
Speaker 8: That's the sea that plays very well King's nameda Yep.

1405
01:09:54,707 --> 01:09:56,787
Speaker 2: Yeah, pop across and see us, and then the following

1406
01:09:56,787 --> 01:09:58,947
Speaker 2: week in Wellington. We're just confirming the venue, but will

1407
01:09:58,987 --> 01:10:01,507
Speaker 2: definitely be out and about, so we'll let you know

1408
01:10:01,587 --> 01:10:03,107
Speaker 2: in due course. But we'd love to see you on

1409
01:10:03,147 --> 01:10:04,787
Speaker 2: the sixth at the Kingsland of.

1410
01:10:04,787 --> 01:10:06,707
Speaker 8: Mate, all right, marke the date?

1411
01:10:06,747 --> 01:10:07,067
Speaker 3: All right?

1412
01:10:07,267 --> 01:10:07,827
Speaker 8: Thinking very up?

1413
01:10:08,147 --> 01:10:11,467
Speaker 2: Thanks hja mate, good chiefs man by the sounds of it, George,

1414
01:10:11,467 --> 01:10:12,867
Speaker 2: hold there, I've got to get a breakaway with you

1415
01:10:12,947 --> 01:10:14,747
Speaker 2: right after the spear line there to talk all Blacks

1416
01:10:14,787 --> 01:10:16,867
Speaker 2: eighteen to one back in a moment on weekend sport.

1417
01:10:17,667 --> 01:10:21,547
Speaker 1: It's more than just a game Weekend Sport with Jason

1418
01:10:21,587 --> 01:10:25,667
Speaker 1: Fine and GJ. Gunnomes New Zealand's most trusted home builder

1419
01:10:25,747 --> 01:10:26,307
Speaker 1: news Dogs.

1420
01:10:27,187 --> 01:10:29,307
Speaker 2: It's bang on quarter to one, George, thanks for holding

1421
01:10:29,347 --> 01:10:30,507
Speaker 2: make good afternoon.

1422
01:10:31,427 --> 01:10:34,787
Speaker 17: No probs piney Hey, hey, funny story on that bit yesterday.

1423
01:10:34,827 --> 01:10:36,467
Speaker 17: I was trying to ring up for that bonus bit

1424
01:10:36,547 --> 01:10:38,307
Speaker 17: as well, and when I heard the mid range rodge

1425
01:10:38,467 --> 01:10:41,867
Speaker 17: was Sunderland defeat west Ham. I couldn't have gone for

1426
01:10:41,867 --> 01:10:43,907
Speaker 17: that because West tam And might team in the Premier League,

1427
01:10:43,907 --> 01:10:46,827
Speaker 17: so I would have done that Ossie thirteen plus.

1428
01:10:46,547 --> 01:10:51,187
Speaker 2: And unreal, unreal, honestly, George, Well, Frank Bund said it before.

1429
01:10:51,187 --> 01:10:52,747
Speaker 2: It good to know that Frank Bunch listens to the

1430
01:10:52,747 --> 01:10:55,347
Speaker 2: show when he's not on the show. But I thought

1431
01:10:55,387 --> 01:10:57,587
Speaker 2: when I saw that, I thought that was my first

1432
01:10:57,587 --> 01:11:00,307
Speaker 2: thought as well. Is that our caller yesterday could have

1433
01:11:00,387 --> 01:11:02,227
Speaker 2: been two and a half grand richer.

1434
01:11:03,507 --> 01:11:05,507
Speaker 17: Yeah, it would have been outstanding.

1435
01:11:05,547 --> 01:11:05,787
Speaker 11: It was.

1436
01:11:06,027 --> 01:11:08,667
Speaker 17: It was the result from the and great for the

1437
01:11:08,707 --> 01:11:12,027
Speaker 17: championship pay on those all blacks and a lot's being

1438
01:11:12,027 --> 01:11:14,347
Speaker 17: said at Tubo A. I think he's a shoeing for

1439
01:11:14,427 --> 01:11:18,387
Speaker 17: number six. But if anything, because Harbi and Holland is

1440
01:11:18,427 --> 01:11:21,267
Speaker 17: just the dead set first on the team feet for

1441
01:11:21,347 --> 01:11:24,427
Speaker 17: Locke at the moment, say like, he's just been so impressive,

1442
01:11:24,467 --> 01:11:28,387
Speaker 17: how he's he's got himself accustomed to the international level

1443
01:11:28,427 --> 01:11:31,627
Speaker 17: and he's got a huge bendin Fabian Holland is kick

1444
01:11:31,707 --> 01:11:35,747
Speaker 17: CAAs and defensively the tackles he makes, he's he has

1445
01:11:35,787 --> 01:11:37,267
Speaker 17: just been a sivilation the ship.

1446
01:11:37,107 --> 01:11:40,227
Speaker 2: For oh and it just you're right. It just frees

1447
01:11:40,347 --> 01:11:43,507
Speaker 2: up to Paul Vity, doesn't it. Because if if Fabian

1448
01:11:43,547 --> 01:11:46,867
Speaker 2: Holland had, you know, had this is totally hypothetical, if

1449
01:11:46,907 --> 01:11:48,707
Speaker 2: he if he hadn't made the step up, if he

1450
01:11:48,787 --> 01:11:51,707
Speaker 2: got to test rugby and it hadn't been something that

1451
01:11:51,747 --> 01:11:54,507
Speaker 2: he immediately agreed with, then there would have been a

1452
01:11:54,507 --> 01:11:56,547
Speaker 2: bit of pressure. I know we've got Patty tops as

1453
01:11:56,547 --> 01:11:59,307
Speaker 2: well and scott Board obviously, but but it has just

1454
01:11:59,387 --> 01:12:02,387
Speaker 2: freed up the strategy, hasn't it of too Paul Vi

1455
01:12:02,627 --> 01:12:03,387
Speaker 2: in the six jumper.

1456
01:12:04,867 --> 01:12:07,187
Speaker 17: It certainly has, and it actually had a huge difference.

1457
01:12:07,227 --> 01:12:09,547
Speaker 17: He and been able to have Petty Tooops on the

1458
01:12:09,587 --> 01:12:11,787
Speaker 17: bench as well. I know sometimes with that split that

1459
01:12:11,787 --> 01:12:14,867
Speaker 17: I've been keeping two Lucies on, but he added.

1460
01:12:14,627 --> 01:12:15,507
Speaker 8: A whole lot as well.

1461
01:12:15,867 --> 01:12:18,947
Speaker 17: I thought just that frame coming on to the bench

1462
01:12:18,987 --> 01:12:23,107
Speaker 17: and Injy himself. So I thought it was extremely impressive.

1463
01:12:23,187 --> 01:12:26,147
Speaker 17: Forty fit and maybe a little bit more to go

1464
01:12:26,267 --> 01:12:28,867
Speaker 17: in the backs, but all in order could result.

1465
01:12:29,827 --> 01:12:33,147
Speaker 2: So west Ham not the result you're after. You're after that.

1466
01:12:34,667 --> 01:12:36,347
Speaker 25: George, not at all.

1467
01:12:36,427 --> 01:12:36,627
Speaker 29: I know.

1468
01:12:36,827 --> 01:12:39,947
Speaker 17: I was always good to have the Premier League kick

1469
01:12:39,947 --> 01:12:42,747
Speaker 17: off and get your English punter on the show yesterday

1470
01:12:42,827 --> 01:12:46,187
Speaker 17: giving us the preview. So not the life of a

1471
01:12:46,267 --> 01:12:49,227
Speaker 17: west Ham fan. Hey, just quickly, Piney a shout out

1472
01:12:49,267 --> 01:12:52,867
Speaker 17: to my nana if she's listening. Ninety two years you

1473
01:12:53,027 --> 01:12:54,987
Speaker 17: and she's a big fan of your show, Piney and

1474
01:12:55,507 --> 01:12:58,027
Speaker 17: in her ears always pluck up a little bit when

1475
01:12:58,067 --> 01:13:00,627
Speaker 17: George gets on the line, So have a good.

1476
01:13:00,507 --> 01:13:03,747
Speaker 2: Sunday and then love it George, love it mate. Back

1477
01:13:03,787 --> 01:13:06,787
Speaker 2: to your family now, good to Chanty as always enjoy

1478
01:13:06,827 --> 01:13:08,747
Speaker 2: your calls and Galadia Nan as well.

1479
01:13:08,867 --> 01:13:14,267
Speaker 30: Hey ash oh, Jason, Hey, just like the reference Scott

1480
01:13:15,547 --> 01:13:18,787
Speaker 30: your interview with Scott Hanson earlier in the program. A

1481
01:13:18,867 --> 01:13:23,787
Speaker 30: couple of times he tried to justify the early sub

1482
01:13:23,827 --> 01:13:26,867
Speaker 30: of Ratama and a few others as momentum. You know,

1483
01:13:28,067 --> 01:13:31,067
Speaker 30: the all backs had no momentum in that there's twenty

1484
01:13:31,147 --> 01:13:33,907
Speaker 30: minutes of the second half, the momentum was all with Argentina,

1485
01:13:34,547 --> 01:13:38,427
Speaker 30: so that's out of bollocks, and it really should just say, well,

1486
01:13:38,427 --> 01:13:40,947
Speaker 30: it was a premeditated thing where we were always going

1487
01:13:41,027 --> 01:13:43,787
Speaker 30: to bring the subs on at fifty or sixteen minutes.

1488
01:13:44,507 --> 01:13:46,747
Speaker 30: It had nothing to do with the where the game

1489
01:13:46,867 --> 01:13:47,227
Speaker 30: was sitting.

1490
01:13:47,907 --> 01:13:50,307
Speaker 2: Well, because I thought what he meant was and then

1491
01:13:50,347 --> 01:13:54,787
Speaker 2: I thought he meant that that they were losing momentum,

1492
01:13:55,587 --> 01:13:58,267
Speaker 2: and then I listen, but that's what or sorry, that's

1493
01:13:58,307 --> 01:14:00,267
Speaker 2: what I thought he was going to say, is that

1494
01:14:00,467 --> 01:14:03,147
Speaker 2: Argentina had a bit of momentum, so we needed to

1495
01:14:03,187 --> 01:14:04,947
Speaker 2: make some changes. But yeah, I think you're right. I

1496
01:14:04,987 --> 01:14:07,187
Speaker 2: think you said we had momentum of that stage. I

1497
01:14:07,347 --> 01:14:10,147
Speaker 2: just thought it was an odd decision. I've always been

1498
01:14:10,227 --> 01:14:12,747
Speaker 2: of the view that that half back in particular and

1499
01:14:12,867 --> 01:14:16,307
Speaker 2: to a lesser extent, hooker, but half back particularly if

1500
01:14:16,307 --> 01:14:18,547
Speaker 2: they're playing, well, leave them on for eighty you know,

1501
01:14:18,867 --> 01:14:19,707
Speaker 2: that's my view on it.

1502
01:14:20,867 --> 01:14:24,027
Speaker 30: Yeah, yeah, well I agree, And he said it twice

1503
01:14:24,067 --> 01:14:26,587
Speaker 30: because that's what I thought initially too, that he was

1504
01:14:26,747 --> 01:14:29,627
Speaker 30: talking about Argentina, But no, he was talking about the

1505
01:14:29,747 --> 01:14:32,787
Speaker 30: all black supposed momentum. The other point I'd like to

1506
01:14:32,827 --> 01:14:36,387
Speaker 30: make about the ill discipline. Two yellow cards.

1507
01:14:36,427 --> 01:14:37,147
Speaker 3: Do you know if there are.

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01:14:37,067 --> 01:14:40,427
Speaker 30: Any cards in the South Africa Australian match.

1509
01:14:40,907 --> 01:14:43,427
Speaker 2: I will check for you just while I do that.

1510
01:14:43,587 --> 01:14:46,027
Speaker 2: What did you think of the second one, the Anton

1511
01:14:46,147 --> 01:14:46,867
Speaker 2: Lennett Brown won.

1512
01:14:47,667 --> 01:14:48,027
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1513
01:14:48,387 --> 01:14:49,827
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was a yellow card.

1514
01:14:52,587 --> 01:14:56,667
Speaker 30: I guess you could say maybe it was clumsy, but

1515
01:14:57,267 --> 01:15:00,067
Speaker 30: I don't think there was intent there. He wasn't trying

1516
01:15:00,147 --> 01:15:03,507
Speaker 30: to take that player out of the contest. I think

1517
01:15:03,547 --> 01:15:04,387
Speaker 30: it was just clumsy.

1518
01:15:05,227 --> 01:15:08,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't think it was a yellow card. It

1519
01:15:08,907 --> 01:15:10,627
Speaker 2: just struck me as very odd. I think the Billy

1520
01:15:10,627 --> 01:15:11,387
Speaker 2: Procter one was.

1521
01:15:11,947 --> 01:15:16,307
Speaker 30: But yeah, I think it was deliberate. It wasn't deliberate obstructure.

1522
01:15:16,387 --> 01:15:18,587
Speaker 30: That's the way I saw it. I saw it as accidental.

1523
01:15:19,187 --> 01:15:21,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, no yellow cards in the earlier game. No yellow

1524
01:15:21,907 --> 01:15:22,747
Speaker 2: cards in the early game.

1525
01:15:23,747 --> 01:15:26,627
Speaker 30: Okay, well we're leading that contest to then.

1526
01:15:28,347 --> 01:15:30,947
Speaker 2: It's a metric that we can that we can chalk

1527
01:15:31,067 --> 01:15:32,827
Speaker 2: up ash. Yeah. Like I said, I didn't think that

1528
01:15:32,827 --> 01:15:34,947
Speaker 2: Anton Lena Brown was a yellow card. Maybe it was

1529
01:15:35,027 --> 01:15:36,347
Speaker 2: by the letter of the letter of the law. That

1530
01:15:36,387 --> 01:15:37,467
Speaker 2: didn't seem to be a heck of a lot of

1531
01:15:37,587 --> 01:15:40,507
Speaker 2: complaint from the All Blacks afterwards. By that stage the

1532
01:15:40,587 --> 01:15:42,467
Speaker 2: game was won, and maybe if it was a bit tighter,

1533
01:15:43,827 --> 01:15:45,467
Speaker 2: you know, there might be more said about it. I

1534
01:15:45,587 --> 01:15:48,867
Speaker 2: just thought Antony Lena Brown and it was a it

1535
01:15:48,987 --> 01:15:52,747
Speaker 2: was a rugby incident. It happens players at high speed

1536
01:15:52,827 --> 01:15:59,267
Speaker 2: run into one another inadvertently as often as deliberately. So

1537
01:15:59,307 --> 01:16:01,227
Speaker 2: I thought anton Lena Brown was but stiff actually getting

1538
01:16:01,227 --> 01:16:04,987
Speaker 2: a yellow card. It only just come on, I didn't

1539
01:16:05,027 --> 01:16:08,227
Speaker 2: think that was a yeah, that was I didn't agree

1540
01:16:08,227 --> 01:16:12,107
Speaker 2: with it. Coming up nine away from one, we're are

1541
01:16:12,147 --> 01:16:15,867
Speaker 2: going to talk the Australian Wallaby, the Wallaby's Springboks game

1542
01:16:15,907 --> 01:16:17,987
Speaker 2: after one. I know a lot of you want to

1543
01:16:18,027 --> 01:16:19,987
Speaker 2: talk about this. I know a lot of you. I

1544
01:16:20,027 --> 01:16:21,547
Speaker 2: don't know how many of you got up to watch it.

1545
01:16:21,827 --> 01:16:24,307
Speaker 2: It's a pretty uncivilized time to watch a game of

1546
01:16:24,387 --> 01:16:27,667
Speaker 2: rugby three o'clock in the morning. But of course many

1547
01:16:27,667 --> 01:16:29,707
Speaker 2: of you, I'm sure would have got up and watched

1548
01:16:29,747 --> 01:16:32,107
Speaker 2: a replay or even some highlights. You've seen the score

1549
01:16:32,627 --> 01:16:36,187
Speaker 2: and you've seen the ebbs and flows of this game.

1550
01:16:36,947 --> 01:16:39,107
Speaker 2: So yeah, quite keen to chat about that with you

1551
01:16:39,227 --> 01:16:42,227
Speaker 2: after one o'clock. Mark Keohan, a good made out of

1552
01:16:42,267 --> 01:16:44,187
Speaker 2: South Africa was at Ellis Park. Be keen to hear

1553
01:16:44,227 --> 01:16:46,707
Speaker 2: from him, but we've got about a minute or so,

1554
01:16:46,787 --> 01:16:48,187
Speaker 2: a couple of minutes left to talk some more All

1555
01:16:48,227 --> 01:16:49,907
Speaker 2: Blacks if you'd like to get your point across. Oh

1556
01:16:49,987 --> 01:16:51,427
Speaker 2: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1557
01:16:51,507 --> 01:16:55,187
Speaker 1: From breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails

1558
01:16:56,787 --> 01:17:00,587
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason him News Talk Zenvy.

1559
01:17:00,947 --> 01:17:02,627
Speaker 2: Coming up five to one. Good I Henry.

1560
01:17:04,587 --> 01:17:10,467
Speaker 31: Jackson, how very good thing. The couple of things carefi

1561
01:17:10,827 --> 01:17:15,387
Speaker 31: man at the match just fantastic, you know, just every

1562
01:17:15,427 --> 01:17:20,427
Speaker 31: second of the game. He was working the the anton

1563
01:17:20,547 --> 01:17:22,667
Speaker 31: Leonard Brown. To me, that was a penalty to the

1564
01:17:22,707 --> 01:17:25,507
Speaker 31: All Blacks. That was a lazy runner in front of

1565
01:17:25,547 --> 01:17:27,627
Speaker 31: the ball. The guy taking the ball. I don't even

1566
01:17:27,707 --> 01:17:30,067
Speaker 31: know why. I mean, there was a mistake he made

1567
01:17:30,067 --> 01:17:31,787
Speaker 31: when he hit him, but the guy was in front

1568
01:17:31,827 --> 01:17:33,067
Speaker 31: of the ball, guy carrying the ball.

1569
01:17:35,027 --> 01:17:35,227
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1570
01:17:36,347 --> 01:17:38,627
Speaker 2: Well when they when I heard the referee say, oh

1571
01:17:38,787 --> 01:17:41,107
Speaker 2: we've got we're going to check for foul play, that

1572
01:17:41,267 --> 01:17:46,067
Speaker 2: was my immediate thought, Henry was foul play against you know,

1573
01:17:46,667 --> 01:17:49,547
Speaker 2: basically an Argentinian you know, doing something wrong.

1574
01:17:51,507 --> 01:17:53,187
Speaker 31: He was a lazy runner, right, in front of them,

1575
01:17:53,667 --> 01:17:55,667
Speaker 31: right in front of the play if that that shot

1576
01:17:55,747 --> 01:17:58,227
Speaker 31: from Leonard Brown's and he couldn't even see where the

1577
01:17:58,267 --> 01:18:00,067
Speaker 31: ball went. The guy was straight in front of the guy.

1578
01:18:00,827 --> 01:18:02,667
Speaker 31: So anyway, all.

1579
01:18:02,627 --> 01:18:06,747
Speaker 2: Over, well it is yeah, mate, that's Henry. That is

1580
01:18:07,027 --> 01:18:09,787
Speaker 2: absolutely it. You take it a good win. It is

1581
01:18:09,827 --> 01:18:12,147
Speaker 2: a good win. You know, four in a row now

1582
01:18:12,947 --> 01:18:15,027
Speaker 2: at the start of this season. The most of the

1583
01:18:15,027 --> 01:18:16,747
Speaker 2: All Blacks won in a row last year was five.

1584
01:18:17,387 --> 01:18:20,187
Speaker 2: So if they can you know, get the job done

1585
01:18:20,227 --> 01:18:21,867
Speaker 2: and won a series and get back on the plane

1586
01:18:21,947 --> 01:18:25,747
Speaker 2: with you know, maybe another bonus point win, then I'll

1587
01:18:25,787 --> 01:18:29,787
Speaker 2: be looking good for the Rugby Championship. Philis is unfortunately

1588
01:18:29,907 --> 01:18:31,707
Speaker 2: piney by the letter of the law these days it

1589
01:18:31,827 --> 01:18:34,067
Speaker 2: is a yellow cart. But like you said, I don't

1590
01:18:34,067 --> 01:18:36,387
Speaker 2: think there was any intent. It's a shame we can't

1591
01:18:36,427 --> 01:18:39,907
Speaker 2: bring common sense and human judgment into it, but these

1592
01:18:39,987 --> 01:18:43,307
Speaker 2: days the referees don't have much choice. No, that's probably

1593
01:18:43,347 --> 01:18:46,467
Speaker 2: a fair comment. Coming up to the news at one

1594
01:18:46,507 --> 01:18:48,707
Speaker 2: o'clock after one. I want to get to South Africa.

1595
01:18:49,027 --> 01:18:51,347
Speaker 2: Mark Keaheim. We spoke to him during the week and said, well,

1596
01:18:51,387 --> 01:18:54,067
Speaker 2: Andy did I didn't, Andy does all the does all

1597
01:18:54,107 --> 01:18:56,307
Speaker 2: the organization of the show Saiday, Mark, do you want

1598
01:18:56,307 --> 01:18:59,027
Speaker 2: to talk to us on Sunday after the spring Box

1599
01:18:59,067 --> 01:19:01,987
Speaker 2: Wallaby's test, and Mark was very bullish said, yeah course mate,

1600
01:19:01,987 --> 01:19:03,947
Speaker 2: I'll talk to you about a forty point one or

1601
01:19:04,187 --> 01:19:07,027
Speaker 2: whatever it's going to be. Hopefully he'll still like our call.

1602
01:19:07,267 --> 01:19:08,987
Speaker 2: I'm sure he will. He's a good man. Mark, you

1603
01:19:09,467 --> 01:19:11,947
Speaker 2: and begin to get your thoughts too. Are the Wallabies

1604
01:19:12,027 --> 01:19:15,107
Speaker 2: back or is this just a flash in the Alice

1605
01:19:15,187 --> 01:19:15,827
Speaker 2: Park pan.

1606
01:19:17,507 --> 01:19:20,307
Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

1607
01:19:20,787 --> 01:19:21,907
Speaker 1: and afterfield.

1608
01:19:22,467 --> 01:19:23,627
Speaker 19: It's all on Wig and.

1609
01:19:23,667 --> 01:19:28,947
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vane on your home of Sport News Talks.

1610
01:19:30,307 --> 01:19:33,267
Speaker 2: Hello, that welcome into weekend Sport on News Talks. There'd

1611
01:19:33,307 --> 01:19:35,507
Speaker 2: be one o seven. It seems we've been here for ages.

1612
01:19:36,107 --> 01:19:38,347
Speaker 2: Been a couple of hours. It's been great, isn't it?

1613
01:19:38,427 --> 01:19:42,427
Speaker 2: Love This an eleven o'clock start on days when the

1614
01:19:42,467 --> 01:19:44,867
Speaker 2: All Blacks play in Argentina. We love it. Thanks for

1615
01:19:44,947 --> 01:19:48,467
Speaker 2: joining us. I'm Jason Pine, Andy McDonald's show producer. August

1616
01:19:48,507 --> 01:19:52,907
Speaker 2: seventeen Today happy birthday. Incidentally, the Hamish curR who celebrated

1617
01:19:52,987 --> 01:19:56,227
Speaker 2: in style as you heard in our news with victory

1618
01:19:56,267 --> 01:19:58,987
Speaker 2: at the latest Diamond League events in Poland and he

1619
01:19:59,107 --> 01:20:00,747
Speaker 2: goes Claire at two thirty three.

1620
01:20:01,227 --> 01:20:03,787
Speaker 32: Well, he doesn't win just by one, Claire, that would

1621
01:20:03,787 --> 01:20:06,227
Speaker 32: have been done by two thirty. That's third time clearancy

1622
01:20:06,867 --> 01:20:08,107
Speaker 32: two Claire Hayes.

1623
01:20:08,187 --> 01:20:11,187
Speaker 2: World on Hamish Kurve. I guess it's not theoretically his

1624
01:20:11,307 --> 01:20:13,827
Speaker 2: birthday in Poland's will it is now? But when he

1625
01:20:13,907 --> 01:20:16,227
Speaker 2: won it it wasn't quite But he'll wake up with

1626
01:20:16,267 --> 01:20:19,747
Speaker 2: a smile on his face, no doubt. Hey, utterly astonishing

1627
01:20:19,827 --> 01:20:23,427
Speaker 2: game of rugby and Joe burg overnight the Wallaby's producing

1628
01:20:23,467 --> 01:20:27,467
Speaker 2: one of the all time great comebacks to win at

1629
01:20:27,547 --> 01:20:31,347
Speaker 2: Alice Park for the first time in over six decades.

1630
01:20:32,347 --> 01:20:35,427
Speaker 2: Going to get an insight very shortly with South African

1631
01:20:35,507 --> 01:20:38,267
Speaker 2: rugby journo Mark Keohanes. He was at the game if

1632
01:20:38,307 --> 01:20:43,427
Speaker 2: you've watched it, either live or subsequently, What does this mean?

1633
01:20:44,587 --> 01:20:46,467
Speaker 2: Is this just a flash in the pan? Is this

1634
01:20:46,627 --> 01:20:50,427
Speaker 2: just one of those things that occasionally happens, an aberration,

1635
01:20:50,707 --> 01:20:54,587
Speaker 2: an outlier? Or has Joe Schmitt turned the Wallabies around

1636
01:20:54,667 --> 01:20:58,507
Speaker 2: to the point where they are now genuine Rugby Championship

1637
01:20:58,947 --> 01:21:02,827
Speaker 2: and bled as Slow Cup contenders and tracking very nicely

1638
01:21:02,947 --> 01:21:06,907
Speaker 2: towards a Rugby World Cup on their shores two years

1639
01:21:06,987 --> 01:21:09,587
Speaker 2: from now. Be keen for your thoughts on that. We

1640
01:21:09,707 --> 01:21:11,267
Speaker 2: can talk more all blacks as well if there's some

1641
01:21:11,827 --> 01:21:14,667
Speaker 2: residual mopping up to do after what happened in Cordoba

1642
01:21:14,747 --> 01:21:17,907
Speaker 2: this morning. Also on the show Todaily keew We mountain

1643
01:21:17,947 --> 01:21:20,187
Speaker 2: biker Sammy Maxwell with us in around an hour or so,

1644
01:21:20,347 --> 01:21:23,227
Speaker 2: looking forward to chatting to her at the midway point

1645
01:21:23,267 --> 01:21:26,747
Speaker 2: of her season. And Wayne Goldsmith, our coaching guru, discussing

1646
01:21:26,867 --> 01:21:29,547
Speaker 2: his new book and why in the view of Wayne Goldsmith,

1647
01:21:29,827 --> 01:21:34,427
Speaker 2: talent is overrated, particularly among children who play sport. James

1648
01:21:34,467 --> 01:21:36,627
Speaker 2: mcconey's along this hour in his usual slot as well,

1649
01:21:36,787 --> 01:21:38,267
Speaker 2: but a live sport to give an eye on. Two

1650
01:21:39,187 --> 01:21:42,267
Speaker 2: currently Farah Palmer Cup at Jerry Collins Stadium and Potty

1651
01:21:42,347 --> 01:21:45,467
Speaker 2: Do It the Wellington Pride and the Otago Spirits and

1652
01:21:45,547 --> 01:21:48,307
Speaker 2: Otago's showing plenty of that they are thirty two to

1653
01:21:48,427 --> 01:21:52,467
Speaker 2: nineteen ahead in the closing minutes of that match. To follow,

1654
01:21:52,627 --> 01:21:55,907
Speaker 2: it's the Bunnings MPC match between the men Wellington and

1655
01:21:56,027 --> 01:21:58,547
Speaker 2: Otago five past two kickoff and that one will keep

1656
01:21:58,587 --> 01:22:02,867
Speaker 2: you updated. Waikato against County's Manical in the Farah Palmer

1657
01:22:02,947 --> 01:22:07,547
Speaker 2: Cup from five past two in Hamilton. You can join

1658
01:22:07,587 --> 01:22:09,307
Speaker 2: the show anytime you're like, oh eight hundred and eighty

1659
01:22:09,347 --> 01:22:12,787
Speaker 2: ten eighty nineteen nine two. For your text messages, emails

1660
01:22:12,827 --> 01:22:16,187
Speaker 2: it to Jason at newstalksb dot co dot nz. But

1661
01:22:16,267 --> 01:22:20,867
Speaker 2: as mentioned, the Springboks have been stunned in their Rugby

1662
01:22:21,027 --> 01:22:26,907
Speaker 2: Championship opener in Johannesburg. Lost hour and intercept it right

1663
01:22:28,107 --> 01:22:29,347
Speaker 2: has got one to beats.

1664
01:22:30,267 --> 01:22:34,547
Speaker 5: He beats for themselves at fred Starter will not catch him.

1665
01:22:35,187 --> 01:22:38,107
Speaker 2: And that's if it will be that. It was that

1666
01:22:38,267 --> 01:22:40,547
Speaker 2: the Wallabies have produced one of the all time great

1667
01:22:40,627 --> 01:22:44,227
Speaker 2: second half performances, coming back from twenty two nil down

1668
01:22:44,627 --> 01:22:47,987
Speaker 2: to win thirty eight twenty two at Alice Park, their

1669
01:22:48,067 --> 01:22:51,987
Speaker 2: first win in South Africa since twenty twelve, their first

1670
01:22:52,067 --> 01:22:56,787
Speaker 2: win at that venue since nineteen sixty three. Let's bring

1671
01:22:56,827 --> 01:22:59,387
Speaker 2: in South African rugby expert and great made of the show,

1672
01:22:59,467 --> 01:23:03,827
Speaker 2: Mark Kahan. He was at Alice Park, Mark, what on

1673
01:23:04,027 --> 01:23:05,227
Speaker 2: earth happened in this game?

1674
01:23:06,907 --> 01:23:10,667
Speaker 29: I've seen so many incredible moments from ninety two at

1675
01:23:10,707 --> 01:23:14,267
Speaker 29: Ellis Park and walking away, I saw another incredible one

1676
01:23:14,307 --> 01:23:15,867
Speaker 29: today and it belonged to Australia.

1677
01:23:16,467 --> 01:23:18,107
Speaker 3: It was like it was.

1678
01:23:18,747 --> 01:23:23,147
Speaker 29: We were just stunned watching that second half performance, but

1679
01:23:23,307 --> 01:23:25,827
Speaker 29: also in that first ten to fifty in the Box

1680
01:23:26,347 --> 01:23:29,547
Speaker 29: always said they played like the Highlanders at their best,

1681
01:23:30,147 --> 01:23:33,227
Speaker 29: and we were like, can they sustain this beyond twenty minutes?

1682
01:23:33,507 --> 01:23:35,587
Speaker 6: And in the last ten minutes it looked like they

1683
01:23:35,627 --> 01:23:39,987
Speaker 6: had no legs, they were gassed. They played a game they.

1684
01:23:39,947 --> 01:23:42,307
Speaker 29: Hardly kicked, they hardly scrummed, and they couldn't catch a

1685
01:23:42,347 --> 01:23:48,067
Speaker 29: lineup ball. So in Australia, wonderful athletes played very intelligently

1686
01:23:48,507 --> 01:23:52,067
Speaker 29: and were good enough to kind of make every bounce count.

1687
01:23:52,467 --> 01:23:55,147
Speaker 29: But if they got off another ten then it's probably

1688
01:23:55,187 --> 01:23:57,827
Speaker 29: been fifty unanswered points and not thirty eight and just

1689
01:23:57,867 --> 01:24:00,547
Speaker 29: an incredible day for one of his rugby.

1690
01:24:01,787 --> 01:24:03,507
Speaker 6: Incredible occasion, and.

1691
01:24:05,107 --> 01:24:06,987
Speaker 29: I think maybe the punch that South Africa and the

1692
01:24:07,027 --> 01:24:10,867
Speaker 29: spring Box needed after the euphoria of the World Cup win,

1693
01:24:11,427 --> 01:24:14,067
Speaker 29: the ephoria of the RACTI Championship win an eleven out

1694
01:24:14,107 --> 01:24:18,187
Speaker 29: of thirteen last season, they didn't get beats and they got.

1695
01:24:18,427 --> 01:24:20,067
Speaker 29: It started with a mugging and it ended up with

1696
01:24:20,507 --> 01:24:21,907
Speaker 29: an attack that could have been criminal.

1697
01:24:22,227 --> 01:24:26,267
Speaker 2: It was that dominant, incredible, incredible. Does it feel though

1698
01:24:26,427 --> 01:24:29,867
Speaker 2: like a blip or Is it symptomatic of some deeper

1699
01:24:29,947 --> 01:24:31,907
Speaker 2: problems for Russi Erasmus to fix.

1700
01:24:33,227 --> 01:24:35,547
Speaker 6: No, I don't think it's it's got anything with the problem.

1701
01:24:35,587 --> 01:24:38,667
Speaker 29: What it is is to a lot of players, maybe

1702
01:24:38,707 --> 01:24:41,507
Speaker 29: they're on the wrong side of thirty and some players

1703
01:24:41,547 --> 01:24:43,987
Speaker 29: this is a may retire themselves just because of performance,

1704
01:24:44,467 --> 01:24:46,427
Speaker 29: and he doesn't have to have those odd conversations.

1705
01:24:47,507 --> 01:24:50,467
Speaker 33: I really think it's just they've been riding the crest

1706
01:24:50,507 --> 01:24:52,667
Speaker 33: of a wave. And you know, I spoke to Nick

1707
01:24:52,707 --> 01:24:54,507
Speaker 33: Madda the other day and he said, has Russy been

1708
01:24:54,547 --> 01:24:57,427
Speaker 33: touched by God? Because it doesn't matter what he does,

1709
01:24:57,467 --> 01:24:59,987
Speaker 33: he gets a one point when Boden Barrett hits the

1710
01:25:00,027 --> 01:25:02,227
Speaker 33: post from in front. They went in and went into

1711
01:25:02,307 --> 01:25:07,347
Speaker 33: New Zealand and today he wasn't touched. Today they got punched.

1712
01:25:07,387 --> 01:25:08,387
Speaker 33: They got punched really hot.

1713
01:25:08,427 --> 01:25:10,587
Speaker 29: I think we'll look back in a year and say

1714
01:25:11,267 --> 01:25:13,587
Speaker 29: today a great day for Australian rugby, but probably one

1715
01:25:13,627 --> 01:25:16,187
Speaker 29: of the best for the spring box ahead of the

1716
01:25:16,227 --> 01:25:18,107
Speaker 29: big tur from New Zealand next year and the twenty

1717
01:25:18,227 --> 01:25:21,307
Speaker 29: twenty seven walk up. They really needed to lose, and

1718
01:25:21,427 --> 01:25:25,147
Speaker 29: lose badly to just kind of bring them back off

1719
01:25:25,187 --> 01:25:27,347
Speaker 29: that pedestal, bring them down from that cloud.

1720
01:25:28,027 --> 01:25:30,507
Speaker 2: Let's give some credit to our Australian friends as well

1721
01:25:30,787 --> 01:25:33,067
Speaker 2: who stood out in a yellow jersey today.

1722
01:25:34,427 --> 01:25:36,667
Speaker 6: Uh Been O'Keeffe was amazing.

1723
01:25:41,747 --> 01:25:42,507
Speaker 9: No, he was good.

1724
01:25:42,587 --> 01:25:45,787
Speaker 6: I mean I thought they were brilliant at the breakdown.

1725
01:25:45,987 --> 01:25:48,947
Speaker 29: I actually thought Richie mccawadary invented himself and come back

1726
01:25:48,987 --> 01:25:51,667
Speaker 29: in a gold jumper because they was so good over

1727
01:25:51,747 --> 01:25:53,787
Speaker 29: the ball. I think the penalty count over the ball

1728
01:25:53,907 --> 01:25:58,547
Speaker 29: was eight penalties won by Australia. I thought the composer

1729
01:25:58,627 --> 01:26:01,227
Speaker 29: that James O'Connor showed a ten thirty five year old

1730
01:26:01,307 --> 01:26:04,827
Speaker 29: veteran having had a great season in terms of rugby.

1731
01:26:04,667 --> 01:26:05,987
Speaker 6: Education under the Crusaders.

1732
01:26:06,027 --> 01:26:06,587
Speaker 22: He was good.

1733
01:26:07,787 --> 01:26:09,267
Speaker 6: I just felt that they're hunting well.

1734
01:26:09,587 --> 01:26:12,067
Speaker 29: Joe Smith has been amazing with what he's done with

1735
01:26:12,147 --> 01:26:14,307
Speaker 29: his team in the last year. We saw what he

1736
01:26:14,347 --> 01:26:17,307
Speaker 29: did when he joined Fuzzy pre the twenty twenty three

1737
01:26:17,347 --> 01:26:20,107
Speaker 29: wal Cup. You know, Rashie walked to the press comments

1738
01:26:20,107 --> 01:26:23,747
Speaker 29: and he said out, thought, up, coached, up, muscled out everything.

1739
01:26:23,907 --> 01:26:27,107
Speaker 6: Do you guys have any answers for me? And he

1740
01:26:27,107 --> 01:26:28,907
Speaker 6: said at once that the big thing was they felt

1741
01:26:28,907 --> 01:26:30,107
Speaker 6: that they overplayed.

1742
01:26:29,667 --> 01:26:32,187
Speaker 29: Their hand and Australia were good enough to counter punch

1743
01:26:32,267 --> 01:26:35,827
Speaker 29: and when they did they smashed them. So that first

1744
01:26:35,907 --> 01:26:38,107
Speaker 29: forty to Australia to hang in there, I think it

1745
01:26:38,187 --> 01:26:40,027
Speaker 29: shows the spirit that they bolt within the side under

1746
01:26:40,107 --> 01:26:44,227
Speaker 29: Joe and for them to have that belief that they

1747
01:26:44,267 --> 01:26:45,667
Speaker 29: could come back and reminded me a lot of that

1748
01:26:45,827 --> 01:26:48,147
Speaker 29: second test against that.

1749
01:26:48,267 --> 01:26:48,987
Speaker 6: The first test.

1750
01:26:48,827 --> 01:26:53,347
Speaker 29: Against Australia are the Lions where they were really struggling.

1751
01:26:53,387 --> 01:26:55,187
Speaker 29: They had their great last eight minutes and then they

1752
01:26:55,267 --> 01:26:56,187
Speaker 29: kind of bolt momentum.

1753
01:26:56,307 --> 01:26:58,667
Speaker 6: So credit to the Wall who was just a great night.

1754
01:26:58,707 --> 01:27:02,027
Speaker 6: It's a golden knight and they were emphatic winners.

1755
01:27:02,467 --> 01:27:05,547
Speaker 29: Their game management was better, their approach was better, and

1756
01:27:05,907 --> 01:27:09,427
Speaker 29: it set set up for a wonderful thing because South Africans,

1757
01:27:09,507 --> 01:27:12,187
Speaker 29: despite their success, hate being favorites and now they'll arrived

1758
01:27:12,227 --> 01:27:13,587
Speaker 29: in Auckland as underdogs.

1759
01:27:14,227 --> 01:27:16,507
Speaker 2: So this is all part of a grand plan to

1760
01:27:16,747 --> 01:27:19,907
Speaker 2: allow us all into a false sense of security.

1761
01:27:20,027 --> 01:27:24,387
Speaker 29: Mark No just to arrive in New Zealand thinking there's

1762
01:27:24,427 --> 01:27:26,107
Speaker 29: no price that they can beat the auductors they call

1763
01:27:26,187 --> 01:27:27,987
Speaker 29: meat Australia Ellis Park.

1764
01:27:28,267 --> 01:27:30,347
Speaker 6: How can they ever beat New Zealand at Eaton Park?

1765
01:27:31,147 --> 01:27:33,987
Speaker 29: And then there's no pressure on them, so look, I

1766
01:27:34,107 --> 01:27:35,907
Speaker 29: know that that is the beginning that they target in

1767
01:27:36,307 --> 01:27:39,547
Speaker 29: for all the storical reasons, to test themselves against the

1768
01:27:39,827 --> 01:27:42,187
Speaker 29: greatest bow that they have. You know, I was with

1769
01:27:42,267 --> 01:27:44,787
Speaker 29: a box twenty years ago and the one thing that

1770
01:27:44,827 --> 01:27:47,467
Speaker 29: always baffled me was the players just meant it didn't

1771
01:27:47,467 --> 01:27:49,627
Speaker 29: seem to be as switched on when there was a

1772
01:27:49,667 --> 01:27:52,107
Speaker 29: gold jersey as it was when there was a black jersey.

1773
01:27:52,667 --> 01:27:54,507
Speaker 6: But maybe it needed a beating like this for them

1774
01:27:54,547 --> 01:27:55,707
Speaker 6: to switch on for Cape Town.

1775
01:27:55,747 --> 01:28:00,427
Speaker 29: So it makes for a very interesting seven days between

1776
01:28:00,507 --> 01:28:01,147
Speaker 29: test matches.

1777
01:28:01,387 --> 01:28:03,787
Speaker 2: We all know what a caldron ellis Parker's and no

1778
01:28:03,907 --> 01:28:07,667
Speaker 2: doubt the atmosphere would have changed across the across the afternoon.

1779
01:28:08,187 --> 01:28:10,467
Speaker 2: Have you were there many Wallabies fans around it?

1780
01:28:10,547 --> 01:28:10,667
Speaker 27: You have?

1781
01:28:10,747 --> 01:28:10,787
Speaker 25: You?

1782
01:28:10,987 --> 01:28:13,307
Speaker 2: Have you bumped into any in the time since the

1783
01:28:13,387 --> 01:28:14,027
Speaker 2: final whistle?

1784
01:28:15,067 --> 01:28:17,227
Speaker 6: Yeah, about fifty five thousand wearing gold.

1785
01:28:19,907 --> 01:28:21,867
Speaker 29: Because you know what they say in South Africa we

1786
01:28:21,947 --> 01:28:23,667
Speaker 29: went nine and we lose one, We're in crisis. Is

1787
01:28:23,667 --> 01:28:25,867
Speaker 29: a bit like New Zealand the Wallabys, they lose nine,

1788
01:28:25,867 --> 01:28:27,147
Speaker 29: they win one in their back baby.

1789
01:28:29,387 --> 01:28:30,547
Speaker 6: So yeah, there was.

1790
01:28:30,547 --> 01:28:33,027
Speaker 29: A sprinkling, But I just thought for them to come

1791
01:28:33,067 --> 01:28:34,867
Speaker 29: into that cauldron a lot of those players have never

1792
01:28:34,907 --> 01:28:35,507
Speaker 29: been to South.

1793
01:28:35,347 --> 01:28:37,467
Speaker 6: Africa because the no one will Super rugby.

1794
01:28:38,027 --> 01:28:38,787
Speaker 25: And I didn't just.

1795
01:28:38,827 --> 01:28:43,467
Speaker 6: Give credit, give credits to the New Zealand coached Australian side.

1796
01:28:43,867 --> 01:28:47,347
Speaker 29: They were outstanding and so much credit to Joe Smith

1797
01:28:47,387 --> 01:28:49,907
Speaker 29: for what he's done with that side. And you know,

1798
01:28:49,947 --> 01:28:52,147
Speaker 29: I know he's reason for for not wanting to continue

1799
01:28:52,147 --> 01:28:54,147
Speaker 29: after the Racty Championship, but it's a shame for rugby

1800
01:28:54,147 --> 01:28:56,907
Speaker 29: and obviously for Australia. Les Case has got a big,

1801
01:28:56,947 --> 01:28:59,107
Speaker 29: big pair of boots to fall when he does take

1802
01:28:59,147 --> 01:29:01,027
Speaker 29: over and then for the Rugty Championship, I think it's

1803
01:29:01,147 --> 01:29:01,667
Speaker 29: just brilliant.

1804
01:29:02,027 --> 01:29:04,987
Speaker 6: This kind of result just ignites it. But the game

1805
01:29:05,067 --> 01:29:06,587
Speaker 6: for me was as bizarre as the.

1806
01:29:06,627 --> 01:29:10,067
Speaker 29: One in Argentina last year when Australia conceded sixty against Argentina.

1807
01:29:11,027 --> 01:29:14,347
Speaker 29: It's you were watching just thinking is this really happening

1808
01:29:14,387 --> 01:29:16,867
Speaker 29: at Ellis Park against the Springbok team.

1809
01:29:16,867 --> 01:29:19,307
Speaker 6: This went back to back World Cups and it was

1810
01:29:19,387 --> 01:29:22,827
Speaker 6: it was like just blow this end whistle because these.

1811
01:29:22,747 --> 01:29:26,107
Speaker 29: Guys just they look amused, they look fatigued and they

1812
01:29:26,147 --> 01:29:27,747
Speaker 29: looked out on their feet and it's reminded me of

1813
01:29:27,827 --> 01:29:30,307
Speaker 29: Anthony Joshua the first time he got clocked by Rus

1814
01:29:30,587 --> 01:29:31,587
Speaker 29: and he looked to his corner.

1815
01:29:31,707 --> 01:29:33,827
Speaker 6: What's happening now? I don't know, mate, but I think

1816
01:29:33,867 --> 01:29:34,947
Speaker 6: you're about to get knocked down.

1817
01:29:35,467 --> 01:29:37,307
Speaker 29: That's that's kind of how fault from me watching it

1818
01:29:37,427 --> 01:29:40,587
Speaker 29: that it was just the people are kind of gobsmacked

1819
01:29:40,667 --> 01:29:41,187
Speaker 29: and stunned.

1820
01:29:41,267 --> 01:29:43,707
Speaker 6: So there's a bit of silence when we left the ground.

1821
01:29:43,827 --> 01:29:45,507
Speaker 6: People are not quite in a boy and mood.

1822
01:29:45,947 --> 01:29:47,827
Speaker 29: But I think we'll look back in time and applaud

1823
01:29:47,907 --> 01:29:50,467
Speaker 29: this Australian side and also think it's as a it's

1824
01:29:50,507 --> 01:29:53,307
Speaker 29: a very good result for the spring Box and how

1825
01:29:53,307 --> 01:29:54,827
Speaker 29: they bolt towards the next World Cup.

1826
01:29:54,907 --> 01:29:57,787
Speaker 2: And historic day. Mike, you've given us a brilliant, brilliant

1827
01:29:57,867 --> 01:30:00,667
Speaker 2: insight into it. Mate, thanks for joining us across New Zealand.

1828
01:30:00,667 --> 01:30:03,347
Speaker 2: We'll catch up again soon. Thanks Matte, Thank you mate.

1829
01:30:03,347 --> 01:30:05,427
Speaker 2: That is marke ke Ohen Who was it? Ellis Park?

1830
01:30:05,467 --> 01:30:08,227
Speaker 2: What a character? Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1831
01:30:08,707 --> 01:30:11,747
Speaker 2: I know we have a number of Australian listeners. Here's

1832
01:30:11,787 --> 01:30:15,947
Speaker 2: your chance to gloat. Take it. Take it. I want

1833
01:30:16,027 --> 01:30:20,667
Speaker 2: to hear from you, our Australian listeners, South African listeners,

1834
01:30:20,667 --> 01:30:22,107
Speaker 2: and I've got a few of those as well. I

1835
01:30:22,307 --> 01:30:25,147
Speaker 2: definitely want to hear from you. Is this a blip

1836
01:30:26,027 --> 01:30:28,787
Speaker 2: or something more worrying? And if you're neither Australian or

1837
01:30:28,867 --> 01:30:31,387
Speaker 2: South African and you just want to comment on the game,

1838
01:30:31,667 --> 01:30:34,307
Speaker 2: still tend to get your thoughts. Oh eight hundred eighty

1839
01:30:34,587 --> 01:30:36,347
Speaker 2: ten eighty Hello Tony.

1840
01:30:37,067 --> 01:30:37,467
Speaker 25: How are you?

1841
01:30:37,707 --> 01:30:37,867
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1842
01:30:37,907 --> 01:30:41,267
Speaker 34: I got out and turned on the TV about fifteen

1843
01:30:41,307 --> 01:30:44,027
Speaker 34: minutes into the game now for oh, well, I'll put

1844
01:30:44,027 --> 01:30:48,547
Speaker 34: the jug on and watch it. And by Jings, great

1845
01:30:48,627 --> 01:30:50,867
Speaker 34: second half for the Australians. But the quote of the

1846
01:30:50,907 --> 01:30:53,787
Speaker 34: week is from Joe Smith. He said he took a

1847
01:30:53,827 --> 01:30:57,027
Speaker 34: good Irish team to Johann's bed and they were up

1848
01:30:57,067 --> 01:30:59,787
Speaker 34: twenty two points or twenty minutes to go, and then

1849
01:30:59,867 --> 01:31:02,467
Speaker 34: they got what by the spring box? So he put

1850
01:31:02,547 --> 01:31:03,947
Speaker 34: full prey to the Australians.

1851
01:31:04,427 --> 01:31:05,107
Speaker 8: So well done.

1852
01:31:06,427 --> 01:31:09,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I'm delighted for joshmid He certainly Tony hasn't

1853
01:31:09,987 --> 01:31:14,147
Speaker 2: had universal backing in Australia, has he since his time

1854
01:31:14,387 --> 01:31:16,547
Speaker 2: as all he's coaching. But I think you know he's

1855
01:31:16,587 --> 01:31:18,907
Speaker 2: on track now when he hands the team over, he's

1856
01:31:18,947 --> 01:31:21,307
Speaker 2: on track to achieve what I'm sure most people would

1857
01:31:21,307 --> 01:31:23,867
Speaker 2: have wanted a better team than the one he inherited.

1858
01:31:24,947 --> 01:31:28,107
Speaker 34: Y said, it was just as a key we just

1859
01:31:28,147 --> 01:31:30,067
Speaker 34: sitting there watching it. I really enjoyed it.

1860
01:31:32,027 --> 01:31:36,467
Speaker 2: Good mate. I appreciate you calling in, Tony. Glad you

1861
01:31:36,507 --> 01:31:38,747
Speaker 2: got up early to watch it eight hundred and eighty

1862
01:31:38,827 --> 01:31:42,787
Speaker 2: ten eighty if you did, or if you've watched it subsequently. Dan,

1863
01:31:42,867 --> 01:31:47,107
Speaker 2: Hi mate, good party. How are you Dan? I'm great

1864
01:31:47,147 --> 01:31:47,827
Speaker 2: great to hear from you.

1865
01:31:49,107 --> 01:31:50,347
Speaker 8: Oh, hey, Partey.

1866
01:31:50,907 --> 01:31:55,627
Speaker 35: I think Ozzie have had had good momentum since that

1867
01:31:56,987 --> 01:32:01,827
Speaker 35: second Test against the Lions when they were very unlucky

1868
01:32:01,987 --> 01:32:05,307
Speaker 35: to lose that second Test and they come out and

1869
01:32:05,467 --> 01:32:08,827
Speaker 35: won in the sad Clee on the third Test, and

1870
01:32:08,987 --> 01:32:13,187
Speaker 35: they've just carried that momentum oor to South Africa.

1871
01:32:14,827 --> 01:32:18,427
Speaker 2: Very good observation, Dan, I think you're absolutely right. I

1872
01:32:18,507 --> 01:32:21,707
Speaker 2: think they would would be disappointed they didn't get something

1873
01:32:21,747 --> 01:32:24,827
Speaker 2: out of that second Test and will never know whether

1874
01:32:24,907 --> 01:32:27,347
Speaker 2: the Third Test was a Lion's side who were ready

1875
01:32:27,347 --> 01:32:29,387
Speaker 2: to get on the plane to go home having already

1876
01:32:29,387 --> 01:32:31,787
Speaker 2: secured the series or not. But you know they were

1877
01:32:31,867 --> 01:32:35,667
Speaker 2: worth their victory and absolutely worth their victory at Alice Park.

1878
01:32:36,587 --> 01:32:38,147
Speaker 2: You know when you can pick yourself up off the

1879
01:32:38,227 --> 01:32:41,867
Speaker 2: canvas at twenty two nil down after twenty minutes and

1880
01:32:41,987 --> 01:32:43,747
Speaker 2: win it with thirty eight ue answered points. That is

1881
01:32:44,027 --> 01:32:46,387
Speaker 2: that is worthy of huge admiration.

1882
01:32:47,867 --> 01:32:48,867
Speaker 8: I think they're going to.

1883
01:32:48,947 --> 01:32:54,667
Speaker 35: Be a very big threat in twenty twenty seven when

1884
01:32:54,787 --> 01:32:58,667
Speaker 35: they had the home crowd, you know, and the Rugby

1885
01:32:58,747 --> 01:33:02,427
Speaker 35: World Cup. I think they might actually be in the

1886
01:33:02,667 --> 01:33:04,547
Speaker 35: very good chance for the World Cup.

1887
01:33:04,627 --> 01:33:07,547
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I don't need to see more from them,

1888
01:33:07,587 --> 01:33:11,907
Speaker 2: I think Dan, you know, I look at home. Every

1889
01:33:12,227 --> 01:33:14,987
Speaker 2: team I think has a greater chance because simply as

1890
01:33:15,027 --> 01:33:18,907
Speaker 2: you've put the home support that you get. But I'll

1891
01:33:18,947 --> 01:33:21,547
Speaker 2: need to see more from them. Having said that, they are,

1892
01:33:21,667 --> 01:33:24,427
Speaker 2: as you say, building. So let's see where they get

1893
01:33:24,467 --> 01:33:26,707
Speaker 2: to in a couple of years. And actually let's see

1894
01:33:26,707 --> 01:33:28,587
Speaker 2: where they get to at the back end of this

1895
01:33:28,747 --> 01:33:33,147
Speaker 2: year when they come over here for a Bleder Slow

1896
01:33:33,187 --> 01:33:36,267
Speaker 2: Cup Test and then host us in one in Perth.

1897
01:33:36,827 --> 01:33:38,747
Speaker 2: By the time they reach the back end of the year,

1898
01:33:39,307 --> 01:33:42,187
Speaker 2: the Wallabies, they would have had a busy, busy old

1899
01:33:42,267 --> 01:33:44,747
Speaker 2: time of things. By the time they get to Auckland

1900
01:33:44,787 --> 01:33:47,987
Speaker 2: on the twenty seventh of September, they would have had

1901
01:33:48,027 --> 01:33:51,467
Speaker 2: the Lions tour, these two test matches against South Africa

1902
01:33:51,867 --> 01:33:54,787
Speaker 2: and a couple against Argentina as well as before they

1903
01:33:54,827 --> 01:33:57,427
Speaker 2: even get to Auckland, and they know they've got to

1904
01:33:57,467 --> 01:34:00,987
Speaker 2: win there if they are to take the Bledisloe Cup back,

1905
01:34:01,027 --> 01:34:03,747
Speaker 2: because there's only two tests, you got to win them

1906
01:34:03,747 --> 01:34:06,027
Speaker 2: both if you then don't you Dan good to chat tiamate?

1907
01:34:06,427 --> 01:34:12,427
Speaker 9: Hey, Glenn, Yeah, point, there is no substitute for straight speed. Right,

1908
01:34:14,267 --> 01:34:17,747
Speaker 9: are fast. They are so fast. Those wings that seem

1909
01:34:17,787 --> 01:34:21,507
Speaker 9: to are holy men, they are fast. And I think

1910
01:34:21,547 --> 01:34:23,987
Speaker 9: the box, you know, the I don't think they hit

1911
01:34:24,027 --> 01:34:26,187
Speaker 9: in the panic stations yet, but I'll beat you. They

1912
01:34:26,707 --> 01:34:29,707
Speaker 9: sort of blued that that that full peck a little

1913
01:34:29,707 --> 01:34:32,467
Speaker 9: bit and just JACKI kapaa young fellas in there, and yeah,

1914
01:34:32,707 --> 01:34:35,187
Speaker 9: there's probably not a bad thing for them, but yeah,

1915
01:34:35,867 --> 01:34:38,587
Speaker 9: remember that the worst they're going to remember. But the

1916
01:34:38,667 --> 01:34:42,467
Speaker 9: Wallabies do this occasionally. Remember when Will scout and beat

1917
01:34:42,547 --> 01:34:44,587
Speaker 9: us open in Perth and they put fifty ys but

1918
01:34:44,747 --> 01:34:45,867
Speaker 9: and then they did nothing else.

1919
01:34:45,747 --> 01:34:46,387
Speaker 21: For the rest of the year.

1920
01:34:46,987 --> 01:34:49,667
Speaker 9: They just sometimes they're just untouchable. The Ausies.

1921
01:34:51,027 --> 01:34:54,747
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and not consistently. Glenn, You're so right, you know,

1922
01:34:54,867 --> 01:34:56,187
Speaker 2: I need I need, like I say, I need to

1923
01:34:56,227 --> 01:34:57,947
Speaker 2: see more, not that it's on my team. I don't

1924
01:34:57,947 --> 01:34:59,947
Speaker 2: care how they go only when they play us. But

1925
01:35:00,107 --> 01:35:04,667
Speaker 2: if I'm an Australian fan, I'm ecstatic today, but also

1926
01:35:04,827 --> 01:35:06,747
Speaker 2: just a little bit cautious that, as you it might

1927
01:35:06,867 --> 01:35:09,107
Speaker 2: just be one of those that they do occasionally they

1928
01:35:09,147 --> 01:35:10,627
Speaker 2: stick their head up and say look how good we are,

1929
01:35:10,867 --> 01:35:11,947
Speaker 2: and then they lose the next week.

1930
01:35:13,307 --> 01:35:15,587
Speaker 9: Yeah sure, I just hope that that Joe can just

1931
01:35:15,707 --> 01:35:18,747
Speaker 9: keep them, keep that passion around the around the rack,

1932
01:35:18,947 --> 01:35:21,467
Speaker 9: and that how how strong they are over the ball,

1933
01:35:21,787 --> 01:35:24,067
Speaker 9: And when are those couple of injuries? What the what

1934
01:35:24,187 --> 01:35:27,787
Speaker 9: the Mets kettle down looks like? You know, Wright's going

1935
01:35:27,867 --> 01:35:29,227
Speaker 9: to be a huge loss. I'm not sure what his

1936
01:35:29,307 --> 01:35:32,427
Speaker 9: knees looking like. But hopefully he's bet because yeah he was,

1937
01:35:32,547 --> 01:35:33,507
Speaker 9: he was pretty long harder.

1938
01:35:33,547 --> 01:35:37,067
Speaker 2: I thought, yeah, you're right about their wills straight, Yeah, yeah,

1939
01:35:37,227 --> 01:35:40,627
Speaker 2: you're right about their wills. Jorgenson, he is so quick,

1940
01:35:40,987 --> 01:35:45,027
Speaker 2: Dylan Peaches is quick. Tom right, they are, and I'm

1941
01:35:45,067 --> 01:35:47,187
Speaker 2: not sure we've got that at the moment Will Jordan. Yes,

1942
01:35:47,827 --> 01:35:49,787
Speaker 2: but yeah, I'm not sure we've got the same speed.

1943
01:35:50,027 --> 01:35:51,827
Speaker 9: I think you're right now, I think you're right. I

1944
01:35:51,867 --> 01:35:53,107
Speaker 9: mean I don't think you are. And he's got that

1945
01:35:53,187 --> 01:35:55,987
Speaker 9: toppy and speed anymore. He probably hears over eighty, but

1946
01:35:55,987 --> 01:35:58,427
Speaker 9: I don't know if he has over thirty. But you know,

1947
01:35:58,627 --> 01:36:00,947
Speaker 9: heads off the Aussies. I mean, let's remember this is

1948
01:36:00,987 --> 01:36:03,267
Speaker 9: a Joe Park joebur part then. But when they for

1949
01:36:03,427 --> 01:36:05,867
Speaker 9: fifty years they go up against the World champs and

1950
01:36:06,187 --> 01:36:09,987
Speaker 9: they didn't just it wasn't squeaky. They smashed them, smoked

1951
01:36:09,987 --> 01:36:10,987
Speaker 9: the love.

1952
01:36:12,907 --> 01:36:14,787
Speaker 2: And the good thing about it, Glenn is just so right.

1953
01:36:14,867 --> 01:36:17,027
Speaker 2: We could we can sort of like luxuriate a little

1954
01:36:17,027 --> 01:36:19,227
Speaker 2: bit because we know they'll probably fall off a cliff,

1955
01:36:19,387 --> 01:36:22,027
Speaker 2: you know, a true to form, not probably.

1956
01:36:22,427 --> 01:36:25,147
Speaker 9: You know you don't watch early on anyone a far

1957
01:36:25,187 --> 01:36:25,827
Speaker 9: from Australia, but.

1958
01:36:25,867 --> 01:36:32,187
Speaker 2: You know, Glenn ploding it on your mate. Thanks for calling.

1959
01:36:32,347 --> 01:36:34,827
Speaker 2: Always enjoyed chatting to your one twenty four while hold

1960
01:36:34,867 --> 01:36:37,707
Speaker 2: there you too, Elliott with you after this spear line

1961
01:36:37,707 --> 01:36:39,187
Speaker 2: if you want to talk wallabies with us, oh eight

1962
01:36:39,307 --> 01:36:41,347
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty or spring box with us.

1963
01:36:41,507 --> 01:36:43,667
Speaker 2: I love to hear from some South African fans. Are

1964
01:36:43,747 --> 01:36:47,227
Speaker 2: you worried Australian fans? Are you over the moon or

1965
01:36:47,347 --> 01:36:50,947
Speaker 2: just a bit cautiously pessimistic about this whole thing. We've

1966
01:36:50,987 --> 01:36:52,747
Speaker 2: got a few we've got We've got quite a bit

1967
01:36:52,787 --> 01:36:54,827
Speaker 2: of time actually to talk Wallabies. We wouldn't normally, but

1968
01:36:55,067 --> 01:36:57,987
Speaker 2: it was a rather special occasion at Ellis Park. We're

1969
01:36:57,987 --> 01:36:59,667
Speaker 2: back in a moment on Weekend Sport.

1970
01:37:00,147 --> 01:37:04,227
Speaker 1: The Tough Questions after Turf Weekend Sport with Jason Kine

1971
01:37:04,307 --> 01:37:08,267
Speaker 1: and GJ. Gunner Homes News Island's most trusted home builder, news.

1972
01:37:08,187 --> 01:37:11,987
Speaker 2: Dog News Talk. Davin Mecca says, up on you. I

1973
01:37:12,027 --> 01:37:14,147
Speaker 2: played in South Africa in the late eighties. There is

1974
01:37:14,227 --> 01:37:19,107
Speaker 2: nothing more satisfying than a quiet Ellis Park crowd. The

1975
01:37:19,227 --> 01:37:23,147
Speaker 2: look on the fans' faces was priceless. You would have

1976
01:37:23,227 --> 01:37:25,627
Speaker 2: enjoyed that, Lyle. Yeah.

1977
01:37:25,707 --> 01:37:28,507
Speaker 21: Mate, I've had a good weekend. I think the Warriors

1978
01:37:28,547 --> 01:37:31,787
Speaker 21: would win between one and six, and then I had

1979
01:37:31,827 --> 01:37:34,827
Speaker 21: a three legged multie just hit the head Warriors to win,

1980
01:37:35,227 --> 01:37:38,307
Speaker 21: Wallabies to win, and the All Mates to win. So

1981
01:37:38,507 --> 01:37:40,547
Speaker 21: for nine dollars on the three leg and I clicked

1982
01:37:40,587 --> 01:37:43,507
Speaker 21: one hundred and forty one hundred and twenty on the Warriors.

1983
01:37:44,227 --> 01:37:47,747
Speaker 21: But meself, Sidney rabbits well the last two games, so

1984
01:37:47,827 --> 01:37:49,747
Speaker 21: I haven't been able to watch and they've got up,

1985
01:37:50,067 --> 01:37:53,107
Speaker 21: so I'm better keep not watching them out.

1986
01:37:53,387 --> 01:37:55,627
Speaker 2: It's your it's your fault. Yeah, well that's that's the issue.

1987
01:37:55,667 --> 01:37:59,987
Speaker 21: Mabe and my brother gave me a horse and Courtfielder

1988
01:38:00,067 --> 01:38:03,507
Speaker 21: got up yesterday. I'm not sure what that made, but yeah,

1989
01:38:03,507 --> 01:38:06,067
Speaker 21: I'm wrapped for Australia as the first Well, j Ed

1990
01:38:06,547 --> 01:38:09,267
Speaker 21: is still alive the last time we got up over

1991
01:38:09,387 --> 01:38:13,147
Speaker 21: there at that particular park. The only concern, it's the

1992
01:38:13,187 --> 01:38:16,107
Speaker 21: same concern I've always got with the Wallaby lack of depth.

1993
01:38:16,587 --> 01:38:18,987
Speaker 21: A couple of key injuries and we'll be in trouble.

1994
01:38:19,627 --> 01:38:23,867
Speaker 21: But you know it should be a Bledislow Cup series

1995
01:38:23,987 --> 01:38:26,347
Speaker 21: and it'll keep the All Blacks on us.

1996
01:38:27,547 --> 01:38:29,867
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. I think by the time

1997
01:38:30,547 --> 01:38:33,787
Speaker 2: it happens, we'll have a larger sample size, won't we

1998
01:38:33,907 --> 01:38:35,867
Speaker 2: We'll we find out in Cakedown next week what the

1999
01:38:35,947 --> 01:38:38,627
Speaker 2: response is from both sides actually, and how the All

2000
01:38:38,667 --> 01:38:41,147
Speaker 2: Blacks go against the spring Box and how the Wallabies

2001
01:38:41,187 --> 01:38:44,267
Speaker 2: go against Argentina. Yeah, by the time the Bledislow Cup

2002
01:38:44,347 --> 01:38:46,507
Speaker 2: rolls around, I think we'll have a decent gauge on

2003
01:38:46,587 --> 01:38:48,827
Speaker 2: these two sides. Look, I think we all want Australia

2004
01:38:48,907 --> 01:38:51,107
Speaker 2: to be to be good. Well, look I don't want

2005
01:38:51,147 --> 01:38:52,867
Speaker 2: them to win the Bletter slowe Cup. But I want

2006
01:38:52,907 --> 01:38:54,547
Speaker 2: them to be good like they used to be.

2007
01:38:56,107 --> 01:38:58,627
Speaker 21: Well, you know the evidence now out of the Super

2008
01:38:58,707 --> 01:39:01,667
Speaker 21: Rugby it spirtive from the state of rugy in New

2009
01:39:01,787 --> 01:39:05,587
Speaker 21: Zealand that Australia hold up their end of it. But

2010
01:39:05,787 --> 01:39:08,867
Speaker 21: you know, I didn't see the game was sound asleep

2011
01:39:09,107 --> 01:39:11,587
Speaker 21: down twenty two mill and a half on. I think

2012
01:39:11,627 --> 01:39:14,867
Speaker 21: the South Huskins might have started to think god orphing

2013
01:39:14,907 --> 01:39:18,707
Speaker 21: and pack. You know, with Australian teams they never say.

2014
01:39:18,707 --> 01:39:23,147
Speaker 2: Die absolutely right lyle look and look. I think the

2015
01:39:23,347 --> 01:39:26,907
Speaker 2: South African If not the team, then certainly fans when

2016
01:39:26,907 --> 01:39:30,027
Speaker 2: you're twenty two mill up after twenty minutes, you are

2017
01:39:30,187 --> 01:39:32,827
Speaker 2: quite entitled as a fan of the team that is

2018
01:39:32,907 --> 01:39:35,707
Speaker 2: up to be supremely confident that they'll carry on with

2019
01:39:35,787 --> 01:39:39,467
Speaker 2: it for the remaining sixty minutes of the game. And

2020
01:39:39,507 --> 01:39:41,827
Speaker 2: if you're a Wallabys fan, you're probably thinking, oh my goodness,

2021
01:39:41,867 --> 01:39:44,547
Speaker 2: here we go again. We're going to get shell act

2022
01:39:45,187 --> 01:39:48,307
Speaker 2: at Ellis Park. Good on the Wallabies. Ah, it's a

2023
01:39:48,427 --> 01:39:52,267
Speaker 2: great story, a great story and a feather in their caps.

2024
01:39:52,747 --> 01:39:55,627
Speaker 11: Hello Elliott, Hey Boney.

2025
01:39:56,147 --> 01:39:58,827
Speaker 12: I just thought it sets up quite a cool rugby

2026
01:39:58,947 --> 01:40:03,067
Speaker 12: championship that you don't really know how any of these

2027
01:40:03,107 --> 01:40:04,627
Speaker 12: teams are going to go well. I could see the

2028
01:40:04,707 --> 01:40:07,307
Speaker 12: Argentinians losing all SEXU see them winning a couple. I

2029
01:40:07,347 --> 01:40:10,147
Speaker 12: can see the Ausies losing the next five or maybe

2030
01:40:10,187 --> 01:40:12,707
Speaker 12: winning three. I can see the Sarians dancing back strong

2031
01:40:12,867 --> 01:40:14,827
Speaker 12: or or maybe they're not as good as we think,

2032
01:40:14,867 --> 01:40:16,587
Speaker 12: and the All Blacks it's a little bit hard to

2033
01:40:16,627 --> 01:40:18,387
Speaker 12: work out. Like it's just quite exciting.

2034
01:40:19,107 --> 01:40:22,107
Speaker 2: I absolutely that's a great point, Eliott, And you'll absolutely

2035
01:40:22,187 --> 01:40:23,987
Speaker 2: bang on the money, you know, And that's that's what

2036
01:40:24,827 --> 01:40:27,747
Speaker 2: no top quality sport is a bit of jeopardy, you know,

2037
01:40:27,907 --> 01:40:31,627
Speaker 2: because even though we sometimes you know, like to laugh

2038
01:40:31,707 --> 01:40:34,187
Speaker 2: at Australian sporting sides when they don't do very well,

2039
01:40:34,587 --> 01:40:36,267
Speaker 2: I think, you know, as you say, if we can

2040
01:40:36,307 --> 01:40:38,427
Speaker 2: watch every single one of these what's it going to

2041
01:40:38,467 --> 01:40:42,707
Speaker 2: be twelve Rugby Championship tests without really knowing for certain

2042
01:40:43,307 --> 01:40:45,507
Speaker 2: who's going to win, then that's great, isn't it?

2043
01:40:46,787 --> 01:40:47,107
Speaker 25: Totally?

2044
01:40:47,187 --> 01:40:49,387
Speaker 12: And you compare it to the Six Nations where they

2045
01:40:49,427 --> 01:40:52,267
Speaker 12: do ultimately have two pretty bad teams in the Welsh

2046
01:40:52,347 --> 01:40:55,507
Speaker 12: and the Irish. Sorry the Welsh and the Italians like

2047
01:40:55,827 --> 01:40:58,347
Speaker 12: it's every week and their competition is going to be

2048
01:40:58,387 --> 01:40:59,987
Speaker 12: one or two games where you kind of know the result,

2049
01:41:00,027 --> 01:41:01,907
Speaker 12: whereas in this competition I don't think you do, which

2050
01:41:01,907 --> 01:41:02,587
Speaker 12: is as exciting.

2051
01:41:03,067 --> 01:41:05,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree. I still want us to win

2052
01:41:05,467 --> 01:41:07,747
Speaker 2: every test, but I but I do, I don't. Yeah,

2053
01:41:07,787 --> 01:41:09,867
Speaker 2: but I like the but I do. I like the

2054
01:41:09,907 --> 01:41:12,187
Speaker 2: fact that from week to week end, in the game

2055
01:41:12,227 --> 01:41:14,107
Speaker 2: that doesn't involve the All Blacks, there's jeopardy. I think

2056
01:41:14,107 --> 01:41:17,027
Speaker 2: when Argentina play Australia, I'll be extremely interested to see

2057
01:41:17,067 --> 01:41:19,387
Speaker 2: what happens in those In those test matches, I think

2058
01:41:19,427 --> 01:41:22,907
Speaker 2: once home one's away Sorry is that No? That's national right,

2059
01:41:22,987 --> 01:41:25,067
Speaker 2: Argentina to go to Australia, aren't they? So yeah, I'll

2060
01:41:25,107 --> 01:41:27,787
Speaker 2: be Yeah, it's a it's a brilliant point. A sense

2061
01:41:27,787 --> 01:41:30,587
Speaker 2: of jeopardy is the you know, the hallmark of all

2062
01:41:30,627 --> 01:41:33,547
Speaker 2: good competitions. Totally right, Elliott, Totally right, mate, good to

2063
01:41:33,667 --> 01:41:36,427
Speaker 2: chat to you. Thanks for bringing and making the points, Alex.

2064
01:41:36,547 --> 01:41:43,307
Speaker 36: Hi justin yest that Bodie game. Probably so the same

2065
01:41:43,547 --> 01:41:46,627
Speaker 36: thoughts as a lot of the other callers. I've watched

2066
01:41:46,667 --> 01:41:49,907
Speaker 36: the replay this morning before the All Blacks, and probably

2067
01:41:49,907 --> 01:41:52,507
Speaker 36: the most exciting, like non or Black tests I've watched

2068
01:41:53,187 --> 01:41:56,587
Speaker 36: up there with that pummeling France gave England a couple

2069
01:41:56,587 --> 01:42:00,147
Speaker 36: of years ago in the Six Nations. I think the

2070
01:42:00,627 --> 01:42:03,387
Speaker 36: dazzling thing about it was, you know, in the first half,

2071
01:42:03,427 --> 01:42:07,747
Speaker 36: I just remember thinking, you know, was going to just

2072
01:42:08,067 --> 01:42:10,027
Speaker 36: put a huge and over on them, and they were

2073
01:42:10,067 --> 01:42:13,027
Speaker 36: playing you know, amazing rugby, like every playing was playing

2074
01:42:13,027 --> 01:42:16,387
Speaker 36: out of their skin and it looks like they were

2075
01:42:16,427 --> 01:42:20,427
Speaker 36: just scoring at wool and then yeah, I think, like

2076
01:42:20,467 --> 01:42:23,427
Speaker 36: you expert alluded to, just almost like they burnt themselves out.

2077
01:42:23,307 --> 01:42:25,387
Speaker 21: With you know, that that attack.

2078
01:42:25,667 --> 01:42:31,387
Speaker 36: But for Australia to come back second half as also

2079
01:42:31,787 --> 01:42:34,067
Speaker 36: just you know some of those players like Tom Wright, he's.

2080
01:42:33,947 --> 01:42:38,987
Speaker 18: Just you know, so explosive and dynamic and so good man.

2081
01:42:39,067 --> 01:42:41,187
Speaker 2: Yeah, that Tom Right. I mean he made a bit

2082
01:42:41,187 --> 01:42:42,827
Speaker 2: of a bit of an error in the first half

2083
01:42:42,867 --> 01:42:46,187
Speaker 2: which led to a try, and but man, I think

2084
01:42:46,187 --> 01:42:48,787
Speaker 2: it was Harry Wilson's second try he set up and

2085
01:42:48,867 --> 01:42:52,147
Speaker 2: then his own try at the end. I like him, ay,

2086
01:42:52,267 --> 01:42:53,027
Speaker 2: I like Tom Right.

2087
01:42:54,507 --> 01:42:54,707
Speaker 25: Yeah.

2088
01:42:54,787 --> 01:42:56,747
Speaker 36: It was almost you know, it was almost a bit

2089
01:42:56,747 --> 01:42:59,667
Speaker 36: of anti climax studying towards the able. It was just

2090
01:42:59,707 --> 01:43:01,907
Speaker 36: at a sort of slow, slow pace, you know it

2091
01:43:03,107 --> 01:43:06,947
Speaker 36: and stuff, you know, beforehand. But but in like your

2092
01:43:06,987 --> 01:43:09,187
Speaker 36: last Caol has said, is that I think it's what

2093
01:43:09,227 --> 01:43:11,387
Speaker 36: we're getting in cobe of an NBC to that sort

2094
01:43:11,427 --> 01:43:13,587
Speaker 36: of you know, the games you just swing on an

2095
01:43:13,587 --> 01:43:16,787
Speaker 36: excess from a team that looks like they've got a

2096
01:43:16,867 --> 01:43:19,907
Speaker 36: huge score on another team and then you know they

2097
01:43:19,947 --> 01:43:21,707
Speaker 36: get that momentum and at suddenly it's on. You know,

2098
01:43:22,667 --> 01:43:23,347
Speaker 36: it's pretty cool.

2099
01:43:23,787 --> 01:43:27,067
Speaker 2: Absolutely totally agree, Alex, Totally agree. And we almost saw

2100
01:43:27,067 --> 01:43:28,867
Speaker 2: it from Argentina this morning as well. You know, not

2101
01:43:28,947 --> 01:43:33,027
Speaker 2: that they got back eventually, the All Blacks sort of

2102
01:43:33,147 --> 01:43:36,307
Speaker 2: eased away from them, but you can't relax. And you're

2103
01:43:36,387 --> 01:43:39,227
Speaker 2: right about the NPC. It's the same, you know, Mana,

2104
01:43:39,267 --> 01:43:40,787
Speaker 2: we're two South on the other night, Mane of we're

2105
01:43:40,787 --> 01:43:43,107
Speaker 2: two fans. The Bucketheads would have been wrapped twenty two

2106
01:43:43,267 --> 01:43:44,787
Speaker 2: l up at a half time. We're going to win

2107
01:43:44,987 --> 01:43:49,227
Speaker 2: in the cargo Instead, the Stags got twenty nine unanswered points.

2108
01:43:49,747 --> 01:43:51,347
Speaker 2: Good on you, Alex, I'm glad you enjoyed the game.

2109
01:43:51,387 --> 01:43:53,507
Speaker 2: I did too. And some of the wheels on those

2110
01:43:53,507 --> 01:43:58,627
Speaker 2: outside backs that Max Jorgensen, he is so quick, man,

2111
01:43:58,867 --> 01:44:00,467
Speaker 2: They're quicker than our outside backs.

2112
01:44:00,707 --> 01:44:00,987
Speaker 21: They are.

2113
01:44:03,147 --> 01:44:04,667
Speaker 2: Pete. Just before I get to you. I wanted to

2114
01:44:04,707 --> 01:44:07,067
Speaker 2: play something from yesterday. A couple of people have alluded

2115
01:44:07,147 --> 01:44:10,427
Speaker 2: to it. Today we run a competition on Saturday afternoons

2116
01:44:10,467 --> 01:44:13,507
Speaker 2: called a Sporting Chance, and we give a one hundred

2117
01:44:13,507 --> 01:44:16,147
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars bonus bet from the tab to our

2118
01:44:16,187 --> 01:44:18,987
Speaker 2: lucky caller, and we give them three options. We give

2119
01:44:19,027 --> 01:44:23,267
Speaker 2: them a short, an evens and a long meaning you know,

2120
01:44:23,987 --> 01:44:26,787
Speaker 2: a highly likely bet, one which is about fifty to fifty,

2121
01:44:27,027 --> 01:44:30,547
Speaker 2: and one which seems highly unlikely. Jason was our caller

2122
01:44:30,667 --> 01:44:36,347
Speaker 2: yesterday and here was his his option for the long bet,

2123
01:44:36,747 --> 01:44:40,187
Speaker 2: and your long shot today is called the James O'Connor

2124
01:44:40,387 --> 01:44:44,027
Speaker 2: was the answer all along Special Australia the Wallabies to

2125
01:44:44,107 --> 01:44:47,827
Speaker 2: beat South Africa thirteen plus at Alice Park. It's paying

2126
01:44:47,867 --> 01:44:51,387
Speaker 2: eighteen dollars. You'd collect two thy five hundred and fifty.

2127
01:44:52,187 --> 01:44:54,147
Speaker 31: Well, much as I'd like the Wallabies to win, I

2128
01:44:54,227 --> 01:44:55,867
Speaker 31: can't see them doing it by thirteen.

2129
01:44:56,867 --> 01:44:59,187
Speaker 2: No one could see them doing it by thirteen. Jace,

2130
01:44:59,267 --> 01:45:02,107
Speaker 2: you weren't alone. If Jason had taken that bet yesterday,

2131
01:45:02,587 --> 01:45:06,027
Speaker 2: he'd be two and a half grand Richard today he's

2132
01:45:06,027 --> 01:45:09,387
Speaker 2: still one. He picked the Sunderland West Ham results. I

2133
01:45:09,467 --> 01:45:11,667
Speaker 2: still had a nice little collect not two and a

2134
01:45:11,667 --> 01:45:12,827
Speaker 2: half grand though, could I pete?

2135
01:45:14,427 --> 01:45:19,667
Speaker 37: Mate? They were the wannabes, but now they're the wannabes, mate.

2136
01:45:19,707 --> 01:45:24,827
Speaker 37: And that was the most wondrous, wondrous, stunning wind. I

2137
01:45:24,987 --> 01:45:27,867
Speaker 37: captured some of the saddest looking big yarpies I've ever

2138
01:45:27,907 --> 01:45:30,307
Speaker 37: seen in my life at five minutes.

2139
01:45:30,027 --> 01:45:30,827
Speaker 31: Before the end day.

2140
01:45:30,827 --> 01:45:35,507
Speaker 37: It was so funny that it was a wonderful side

2141
01:45:35,507 --> 01:45:39,307
Speaker 37: all right. I just want to say you you mentioned it, Jorgison.

2142
01:45:40,347 --> 01:45:45,427
Speaker 37: That was a try for me, absolutely inside out, outstanding pace.

2143
01:45:46,947 --> 01:45:48,907
Speaker 37: And I just want to do a big chuck out

2144
01:45:48,947 --> 01:45:51,427
Speaker 37: here for Eddie Jones. I've got to tell you, mate,

2145
01:45:51,427 --> 01:45:55,467
Speaker 37: I listened to the Dinosaur yesterday on a blog that

2146
01:45:55,627 --> 01:45:59,427
Speaker 37: was sent to me, and you know, for everything he

2147
01:45:59,507 --> 01:46:02,787
Speaker 37: did wrong at the last World Cup, he did some

2148
01:46:03,027 --> 01:46:05,307
Speaker 37: great things as well, and we must never forget that.

2149
01:46:05,747 --> 01:46:09,747
Speaker 37: I think we're seeing right now. This is only my opinion,

2150
01:46:10,627 --> 01:46:19,227
Speaker 37: the end of the old nasty slow box. Their forwards

2151
01:46:19,867 --> 01:46:23,107
Speaker 37: looked like Grandma and granddad. Mate, when when the Olie

2152
01:46:23,267 --> 01:46:27,787
Speaker 37: as he turned the speed on. So I think, resiarrassmus,

2153
01:46:27,827 --> 01:46:30,587
Speaker 37: it's over hat. You know, the old boys are gone.

2154
01:46:31,187 --> 01:46:32,667
Speaker 10: And that was pure.

2155
01:46:33,147 --> 01:46:37,227
Speaker 37: Wonderful pace that that won that game. Young brilliant players

2156
01:46:37,307 --> 01:46:41,907
Speaker 37: reminded me a bit of kemps out there. So yeah, awesome,

2157
01:46:41,987 --> 01:46:43,947
Speaker 37: may I just loved it. Was a great one.

2158
01:46:44,787 --> 01:46:47,667
Speaker 2: Good man, Pete. I'm so pleased that you enjoyed it.

2159
01:46:47,747 --> 01:46:50,507
Speaker 2: And this is what sport can do. It can provide

2160
01:46:50,587 --> 01:46:53,227
Speaker 2: moments like this, It can give us a spring in

2161
01:46:53,267 --> 01:46:55,947
Speaker 2: our step. Interesting you mentioned the South African forward. You

2162
01:46:55,987 --> 01:46:57,147
Speaker 2: look at them and you think a lot of those

2163
01:46:57,227 --> 01:47:00,787
Speaker 2: guys have been around for a while. Even It'sabeth lud

2164
01:47:00,827 --> 01:47:05,787
Speaker 2: de Jager, Peter Stiff to Toy, Malcolm Marx, Ox Nietzsche

2165
01:47:05,827 --> 01:47:11,387
Speaker 2: in the front right. Oh much vaunted this bomb squad,

2166
01:47:12,867 --> 01:47:16,227
Speaker 2: but this has just throwing the cat amongst the pigeons.

2167
01:47:17,667 --> 01:47:20,827
Speaker 2: It's put paid to any thought that South Africa are

2168
01:47:20,907 --> 01:47:23,947
Speaker 2: this invincible force. Yes, they've won the last two Rugby

2169
01:47:24,027 --> 01:47:28,667
Speaker 2: World Cups, and deservedly so. I think you'd say both

2170
01:47:28,747 --> 01:47:32,587
Speaker 2: type finals, but both finals that they came out on

2171
01:47:32,667 --> 01:47:35,787
Speaker 2: the winning side of, and the way they've been playing,

2172
01:47:36,627 --> 01:47:40,627
Speaker 2: I think they deserve to be regarded as as still

2173
01:47:40,667 --> 01:47:43,787
Speaker 2: a very good rugby team. But that eighty minutes at

2174
01:47:43,907 --> 01:47:46,467
Speaker 2: Alice Park this morning and in fact take out the

2175
01:47:46,507 --> 01:47:50,827
Speaker 2: first twenty. That hour at Alice Park this morning is

2176
01:47:51,147 --> 01:47:55,427
Speaker 2: just a cursory tale for them. Nothing is certain, nothing

2177
01:47:55,547 --> 01:47:59,187
Speaker 2: is certain. Things can change very quickly. And I think

2178
01:47:59,227 --> 01:48:02,027
Speaker 2: it's also for Australia. It could well be if we

2179
01:48:02,147 --> 01:48:04,667
Speaker 2: get to the Rugby World Cup in a couple of

2180
01:48:04,787 --> 01:48:09,147
Speaker 2: years in Australia do okay. I don't want them to

2181
01:48:09,227 --> 01:48:11,547
Speaker 2: win it. I want us to win it. But if

2182
01:48:11,587 --> 01:48:13,627
Speaker 2: they do, okay, I think they might look back at

2183
01:48:13,667 --> 01:48:18,227
Speaker 2: today as not a turning point necessarily, but certainly a

2184
01:48:18,387 --> 01:48:21,547
Speaker 2: massive part of the foundation towards what they could become.

2185
01:48:23,587 --> 01:48:28,427
Speaker 2: I know Joe Schmitt has made his decision. I forgot

2186
01:48:28,427 --> 01:48:30,507
Speaker 2: to see Kalisi, says this text. You're right, I forgot

2187
01:48:30,547 --> 01:48:33,747
Speaker 2: see a Kalasi another one. He seems to be ageless though,

2188
01:48:33,787 --> 01:48:36,547
Speaker 2: doesn't he, although it did come off five minutes into

2189
01:48:36,547 --> 01:48:40,627
Speaker 2: the second half this morning. Back to Joe shmittt they

2190
01:48:40,667 --> 01:48:42,267
Speaker 2: would love to keep him, wouldn't they. That was always

2191
01:48:42,307 --> 01:48:45,187
Speaker 2: the plan. I think they thought he'll come in, he'll

2192
01:48:45,307 --> 01:48:47,947
Speaker 2: like it, he'll stay And they've kind of got half

2193
01:48:47,987 --> 01:48:49,147
Speaker 2: of that because he's staying to the end of the

2194
01:48:49,187 --> 01:48:51,587
Speaker 2: Rugby Championship, maybe staying on as some sort of consultant.

2195
01:48:51,667 --> 01:48:54,627
Speaker 2: But you know, good things take time, and Joe Shmitt

2196
01:48:54,827 --> 01:48:58,347
Speaker 2: is a fantastic rugby coach. He will leave this team

2197
01:48:58,427 --> 01:49:01,067
Speaker 2: better than he found them. And much as Pete likes

2198
01:49:01,147 --> 01:49:03,347
Speaker 2: to give Eddie Jones a bit of credit, they were

2199
01:49:03,387 --> 01:49:07,067
Speaker 2: a rebel when Joe Shmitt took over Eddie Jones. You

2200
01:49:07,147 --> 01:49:11,427
Speaker 2: know the way he he just chipped away at that

2201
01:49:11,547 --> 01:49:14,147
Speaker 2: team's confidence and the way he handled them at the

2202
01:49:14,227 --> 01:49:16,947
Speaker 2: last Rugby World Cup was it was almost dereliction of

2203
01:49:17,027 --> 01:49:22,027
Speaker 2: duty from Eddie Jones for me. But Joe Schmitz inherited

2204
01:49:22,067 --> 01:49:27,907
Speaker 2: that and has polished some edges broad in some players.

2205
01:49:29,027 --> 01:49:31,787
Speaker 2: And you look at that team now and this just

2206
01:49:31,827 --> 01:49:35,947
Speaker 2: that backline. No, we haven't eve talked about James O'Connor.

2207
01:49:36,627 --> 01:49:37,947
Speaker 2: You know, he's a guy couldn't get a game for

2208
01:49:37,947 --> 01:49:40,947
Speaker 2: the Crusaders, well not a start anyway, but played a

2209
01:49:41,107 --> 01:49:44,987
Speaker 2: vital role off the bench running this team around. Nick White,

2210
01:49:45,387 --> 01:49:50,827
Speaker 2: I thought he'd retired, hasn't retired. It's still playing Iktu

2211
01:49:52,267 --> 01:49:57,987
Speaker 2: suiy Alee in midfield. Peach Jorgensen right, what a back three.

2212
01:49:58,467 --> 01:50:01,747
Speaker 2: Harry Wilson had a magnificent game off the back of

2213
01:50:01,787 --> 01:50:05,387
Speaker 2: the scrum. Fraser mcwright was probably better. This is a

2214
01:50:05,467 --> 01:50:06,587
Speaker 2: good Australian team.

2215
01:50:06,667 --> 01:50:06,827
Speaker 25: Now.

2216
01:50:07,787 --> 01:50:10,507
Speaker 2: I still don't want them to beat us, absolutely not.

2217
01:50:10,787 --> 01:50:13,147
Speaker 2: I would never want Australia to beat us in anything,

2218
01:50:14,987 --> 01:50:16,747
Speaker 2: but I do like the fact that they're starting to

2219
01:50:16,867 --> 01:50:22,027
Speaker 2: show a little bit of revival nineteen to two. Let's

2220
01:50:22,027 --> 01:50:23,547
Speaker 2: take a break, James mcconey After.

2221
01:50:23,467 --> 01:50:27,507
Speaker 1: This, the biggest things in sport are on Weekend Sport

2222
01:50:27,707 --> 01:50:31,827
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2223
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2224
01:50:33,107 --> 01:50:36,187
Speaker 2: They'd be coming up one forty four gree asks on

2225
01:50:36,387 --> 01:50:40,107
Speaker 2: text afternoon, just wondering if you've given any consideration as

2226
01:50:40,147 --> 01:50:42,627
Speaker 2: to how this will impact on the All Black Springbox

2227
01:50:42,747 --> 01:50:44,787
Speaker 2: matches coming up. There's only one thing worse than a

2228
01:50:44,827 --> 01:50:48,827
Speaker 2: wounded All Black, and that is a wounded Springbok. Watch

2229
01:50:48,947 --> 01:50:52,387
Speaker 2: this space, says Greg. Had you given any consideration to

2230
01:50:52,507 --> 01:50:57,307
Speaker 2: a wounded Springbok James mcconey, Well, half.

2231
01:50:57,107 --> 01:51:00,347
Speaker 18: Of them were wounded, especially their back line, so they'll

2232
01:51:00,387 --> 01:51:04,267
Speaker 18: be they'll be back and we'll add some impetus if

2233
01:51:04,267 --> 01:51:05,427
Speaker 18: they can get back in time.

2234
01:51:05,627 --> 01:51:08,347
Speaker 2: How are you Pine, I'm great, I'm great, James. It's

2235
01:51:08,347 --> 01:51:11,067
Speaker 2: been a really busy old sporting weekend with you know,

2236
01:51:11,187 --> 01:51:13,227
Speaker 2: trying to keep my eyes in all of these different places.

2237
01:51:13,467 --> 01:51:14,987
Speaker 2: Can we start with the Wallaby says that this is

2238
01:51:15,027 --> 01:51:16,907
Speaker 2: a good thing, isn't it. The Wallaby's going to Ellis

2239
01:51:16,947 --> 01:51:17,587
Speaker 2: Park and winning.

2240
01:51:18,467 --> 01:51:21,147
Speaker 18: Yeah, and it proves that, look, they are legit on

2241
01:51:21,187 --> 01:51:23,067
Speaker 18: their day. It proves that if you get a roll

2242
01:51:23,147 --> 01:51:26,387
Speaker 18: on at that level in some momentum and things clerk,

2243
01:51:26,507 --> 01:51:29,707
Speaker 18: all these top teams can score. You know, four or

2244
01:51:29,747 --> 01:51:32,547
Speaker 18: five are in the Wallabys case, six tries in a row.

2245
01:51:32,787 --> 01:51:35,827
Speaker 18: So there's two things about this game that stood out

2246
01:51:35,827 --> 01:51:39,187
Speaker 18: for me. I think like the Wallabies actually have sneaky Depp.

2247
01:51:39,427 --> 01:51:42,067
Speaker 18: You know, their bench is quite good, especially in the

2248
01:51:42,107 --> 01:51:46,467
Speaker 18: front row, and the spells a Nongrea Brendan paying a Moorsa.

2249
01:51:47,067 --> 01:51:48,707
Speaker 18: You know, they've got their own sort of version of

2250
01:51:48,787 --> 01:51:52,467
Speaker 18: the Bomb squad. And I think they've got a couple

2251
01:51:52,507 --> 01:51:54,387
Speaker 18: of injuries. When they come back they'll be stronger. And

2252
01:51:54,427 --> 01:51:57,067
Speaker 18: the Lousies as well, although I like Gleason as well,

2253
01:51:57,147 --> 01:52:00,227
Speaker 18: and also Tate McDermott. He would start, I think as

2254
01:52:00,307 --> 01:52:02,987
Speaker 18: half back in most countries and I think he'd make

2255
01:52:03,027 --> 01:52:03,627
Speaker 18: the ald Lacks.

2256
01:52:03,827 --> 01:52:04,507
Speaker 3: Taate mc dermott.

2257
01:52:04,867 --> 01:52:06,747
Speaker 2: You think Tate mcdummott would make the All Blacks.

2258
01:52:07,267 --> 01:52:10,027
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, I think currently, I think so, Yes, I

2259
01:52:10,107 --> 01:52:13,107
Speaker 18: think you would so. I mean, you know, the Reds halfback,

2260
01:52:13,147 --> 01:52:14,867
Speaker 18: he's been really good all year and I thought he

2261
01:52:14,867 --> 01:52:17,907
Speaker 18: would start, but you know he's been really good off

2262
01:52:17,947 --> 01:52:22,467
Speaker 18: the bench for them and was again yesterday. But South Africa, weirdly,

2263
01:52:22,987 --> 01:52:25,107
Speaker 18: this is a strange thing for a nation that's a

2264
01:52:25,187 --> 01:52:28,707
Speaker 18: real rugby nation. I think they don't have that much depth.

2265
01:52:28,987 --> 01:52:31,707
Speaker 18: I think you saw it last year when Malcolm Marx

2266
01:52:31,707 --> 01:52:33,547
Speaker 18: got injured and they bought in a hooky who was

2267
01:52:33,547 --> 01:52:36,107
Speaker 18: about thirty five years old, you know, like they didn't

2268
01:52:36,627 --> 01:52:40,627
Speaker 18: really have a natural successor, and then missing five starters

2269
01:52:40,667 --> 01:52:43,107
Speaker 18: in their back line out to clerk Andre Pollard, the

2270
01:52:43,267 --> 01:52:46,907
Speaker 18: Landi cheers and Kolby Willie LaRue. Israel World Cup winner

2271
01:52:46,947 --> 01:52:50,627
Speaker 18: is right, double World Cup winners in most cases, so

2272
01:52:52,267 --> 01:52:53,587
Speaker 18: possibly actually in all cases.

2273
01:52:53,707 --> 01:52:53,867
Speaker 3: Yes.

2274
01:52:54,347 --> 01:52:57,987
Speaker 18: So look that they were not at their best, but

2275
01:52:58,827 --> 01:53:00,867
Speaker 18: it is an incredible comeback all the same.

2276
01:53:01,147 --> 01:53:04,507
Speaker 2: Oholutely, when you score thirty eight un answered points anywhere

2277
01:53:04,627 --> 01:53:07,587
Speaker 2: to win a game having been twenty on down, that's amazing.

2278
01:53:07,667 --> 01:53:11,667
Speaker 2: But at Alice Park, at that cauldron, incredible, Yeah, and

2279
01:53:11,747 --> 01:53:13,747
Speaker 2: it's yeah, it was great.

2280
01:53:13,987 --> 01:53:16,467
Speaker 18: Well, well, I think the one thing as well that

2281
01:53:16,587 --> 01:53:19,067
Speaker 18: a number eight and captain Harry Wilson scoring two tries.

2282
01:53:19,467 --> 01:53:22,787
Speaker 18: He is a talented test player. He's a bona fight star.

2283
01:53:23,307 --> 01:53:26,147
Speaker 18: It shows how clueless Eddie Jones was and that will

2284
01:53:26,227 --> 01:53:29,587
Speaker 18: cut you dropping him. So you know he's back to

2285
01:53:29,707 --> 01:53:33,027
Speaker 18: some form. There's some faith, you know, from the selectors

2286
01:53:33,067 --> 01:53:35,547
Speaker 18: and Joe Schmidt and shout out to Joe Schmitt.

2287
01:53:35,627 --> 01:53:36,427
Speaker 3: I mean, look, he is.

2288
01:53:36,867 --> 01:53:39,667
Speaker 18: He's kind of like his own He's a professor as well,

2289
01:53:39,867 --> 01:53:41,067
Speaker 18: isn't he in his own right?

2290
01:53:41,547 --> 01:53:41,747
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2291
01:53:41,987 --> 01:53:44,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pleased for him too because he seems like

2292
01:53:44,147 --> 01:53:46,787
Speaker 2: a decent blow, doesn't he. I mean, David Campese's been

2293
01:53:46,827 --> 01:53:49,867
Speaker 2: giving him absolute rings ever since he got that job.

2294
01:53:50,707 --> 01:53:53,787
Speaker 2: I just and I'm sure Joshmitt doesn't care what David

2295
01:53:53,827 --> 01:53:56,507
Speaker 2: Campeze thinks, but I was, Yeah, I was really pleased

2296
01:53:56,547 --> 01:53:57,027
Speaker 2: with Joshman.

2297
01:53:59,027 --> 01:54:01,187
Speaker 18: I mean, Campo is just rented. Quote all the media

2298
01:54:01,307 --> 01:54:04,107
Speaker 18: know to go to him, and so that's that's all

2299
01:54:04,147 --> 01:54:05,747
Speaker 18: they do. If they want to get someone to win,

2300
01:54:05,947 --> 01:54:08,267
Speaker 18: you go to Campo. And I think he's a little

2301
01:54:08,307 --> 01:54:10,707
Speaker 18: bit out of touch. He's a genius player, but I

2302
01:54:10,787 --> 01:54:13,467
Speaker 18: think you know, Rugby's kind of moved on from from

2303
01:54:13,827 --> 01:54:16,627
Speaker 18: his day, so he needs to He needs to upskill

2304
01:54:16,787 --> 01:54:19,387
Speaker 18: like we all do, Piony sometimes, you know we do.

2305
01:54:19,547 --> 01:54:22,147
Speaker 2: We've got to try different things, get across different platforms,

2306
01:54:22,227 --> 01:54:24,987
Speaker 2: be flexible, exactly as you've done. You know, you've you've

2307
01:54:25,147 --> 01:54:28,387
Speaker 2: you've evolved as a broadcast. I used to read you

2308
01:54:28,507 --> 01:54:30,827
Speaker 2: in the Sunday Star Times. Althother guy's got a bit

2309
01:54:30,867 --> 01:54:33,907
Speaker 2: about him, and you've diversified into all platforms.

2310
01:54:34,707 --> 01:54:36,947
Speaker 3: It's called desperation and I'm all, I'm here.

2311
01:54:36,907 --> 01:54:40,587
Speaker 2: For it, mate, Like it's like looking in a mirror.

2312
01:54:41,507 --> 01:54:42,747
Speaker 2: What did you make of the all Blacks?

2313
01:54:43,787 --> 01:54:46,987
Speaker 18: Well, I thought maybe just focus on on a couple

2314
01:54:47,027 --> 01:54:50,747
Speaker 18: of things. One is, I thought Duperfi was really good

2315
01:54:51,187 --> 01:54:54,707
Speaker 18: and probably didn't get enough claudits or enough enough kind

2316
01:54:54,747 --> 01:54:57,107
Speaker 18: of the rubb of the green from the ref. I mean,

2317
01:54:57,147 --> 01:54:58,867
Speaker 18: the reef was calling him off a couple of times,

2318
01:54:58,907 --> 01:55:00,467
Speaker 18: and I thought, oh no, he was in a really

2319
01:55:00,507 --> 01:55:02,747
Speaker 18: good position there. But the thing is, he is so

2320
01:55:02,907 --> 01:55:05,947
Speaker 18: quick on the turnover that that refs almost get shocked.

2321
01:55:06,987 --> 01:55:09,787
Speaker 18: You know, he's right there, but wearing that fabled number

2322
01:55:09,827 --> 01:55:13,787
Speaker 18: seven jersey. That is an absolute pressure cooker situation. I

2323
01:55:13,867 --> 01:55:17,227
Speaker 18: mean look for forty years, it's basically gone Michael Jones,

2324
01:55:17,347 --> 01:55:20,747
Speaker 18: Josh Cronfeld, Richie mccause, Sam Kine, And that's pretty much it.

2325
01:55:21,267 --> 01:55:21,427
Speaker 3: You know.

2326
01:55:21,707 --> 01:55:24,227
Speaker 18: It's like the number ten jersey for Argentina. You know,

2327
01:55:24,667 --> 01:55:28,667
Speaker 18: it's just so tough. And I thought Duplessy kid, if

2328
01:55:28,707 --> 01:55:29,707
Speaker 18: he was really good.

2329
01:55:30,107 --> 01:55:31,547
Speaker 3: Did you think that I did too?

2330
01:55:31,827 --> 01:55:34,147
Speaker 2: Yeah, and just on the refereeing thing too, because I

2331
01:55:34,267 --> 01:55:36,387
Speaker 2: think he used to be a penalty magnet, right, But

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01:55:36,467 --> 01:55:39,507
Speaker 2: I think New Zealand referees and Super Rugby referees have

2333
01:55:39,707 --> 01:55:42,787
Speaker 2: worked out that he is able to do the things

2334
01:55:42,867 --> 01:55:47,027
Speaker 2: that seem, you know, unlikely, and I just wonder whether

2335
01:55:47,107 --> 01:55:49,427
Speaker 2: the international referees have to work the same thing out.

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01:55:50,427 --> 01:55:53,147
Speaker 18: Yes, exactly. I think that's the thing, Duplacy kit. If

2337
01:55:53,187 --> 01:55:55,707
Speaker 18: he is like that, you know, it's probably our Quackersmith's

2338
01:55:55,707 --> 01:55:58,387
Speaker 18: similar build. He gets in there and those little crevices.

2339
01:55:58,427 --> 01:56:00,667
Speaker 18: He's not huge, as we know. But I think it's

2340
01:56:00,707 --> 01:56:03,187
Speaker 18: good that we've ignored what has been in the past

2341
01:56:03,267 --> 01:56:04,907
Speaker 18: a bit of a sort of height restriction like a

2342
01:56:04,987 --> 01:56:07,307
Speaker 18: roller coaster ride. You know, you need to be this

2343
01:56:07,467 --> 01:56:09,707
Speaker 18: tour to play number seven for the All Blacks. Drove

2344
01:56:09,787 --> 01:56:11,547
Speaker 18: that out in the window you're just going to think

2345
01:56:11,587 --> 01:56:15,187
Speaker 18: about David Pocock, George Smith, all the ones, the stumpy

2346
01:56:15,267 --> 01:56:18,507
Speaker 18: little seven's around the world, Neil Back, whoever you want.

2347
01:56:19,307 --> 01:56:24,947
Speaker 18: Dup is excellent. And just a word about Will Jordan. Look,

2348
01:56:25,027 --> 01:56:27,307
Speaker 18: we talk about him so often, we need to actually

2349
01:56:27,387 --> 01:56:30,467
Speaker 18: accept he is the superstar and the team currently and

2350
01:56:30,867 --> 01:56:33,827
Speaker 18: I don't want to see him move from fallback to

2351
01:56:33,987 --> 01:56:37,987
Speaker 18: help with, you know, covering certain positions if there are injuries.

2352
01:56:38,307 --> 01:56:39,987
Speaker 18: He needs to stay there and we need to build

2353
01:56:40,027 --> 01:56:40,987
Speaker 18: the team around him.

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01:56:41,387 --> 01:56:43,507
Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally agree with that. I totally agree. I

2355
01:56:43,547 --> 01:56:45,787
Speaker 2: think there is a still of conversation to be had

2356
01:56:46,187 --> 01:56:49,187
Speaker 2: around eleven and fourteen. But I'm the same as you.

2357
01:56:49,347 --> 01:56:51,907
Speaker 2: I want Will Jordan wearing fifteen every time he plays.

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01:56:52,267 --> 01:56:53,907
Speaker 2: I totally agree. I totally agree.

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Speaker 18: Oh sorry, we're getting Richie Wonga back, We're getting you know,

2360
01:56:58,027 --> 01:57:00,827
Speaker 18: lester phone nets. There are reinforcements coming.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. Just before we move from the rugby to a

2362
01:57:03,467 --> 01:57:05,467
Speaker 2: couple of Texas have made the point that Mike Kron

2363
01:57:05,747 --> 01:57:07,947
Speaker 2: has also been involved over there, and we know what

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01:57:08,067 --> 01:57:11,187
Speaker 2: an effect of coach he is with forward, so yeah,

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01:57:11,227 --> 01:57:13,587
Speaker 2: he has to also be given some plauters. Hey, the

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01:57:13,587 --> 01:57:17,027
Speaker 2: premier Leagu's underway again. My Liverpool had to win yesterday

2367
01:57:17,747 --> 01:57:20,347
Speaker 2: against Bournemouth. Alex Paulson wasn't in the match day squad.

2368
01:57:20,827 --> 01:57:23,827
Speaker 2: Chris Wood's going to have his first game for Forrest tomorrow.

2369
01:57:23,867 --> 01:57:26,827
Speaker 2: Are you excited about the Premier League being back Toiney?

2370
01:57:26,867 --> 01:57:29,467
Speaker 18: You know, I'm excited, and I actually don't have a

2371
01:57:29,587 --> 01:57:32,867
Speaker 18: dog in the fight because as a youngster I supported Arsenal.

2372
01:57:32,987 --> 01:57:35,067
Speaker 18: Then all the players left and then I sort of thought, well,

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01:57:35,467 --> 01:57:37,467
Speaker 18: it's quite tricky. I didn't want my emotions to be

2374
01:57:37,587 --> 01:57:41,187
Speaker 18: ruled by a team, you know, so May twelve thousand

2375
01:57:41,267 --> 01:57:44,067
Speaker 18: miles away or whatever. So I just went, you know what,

2376
01:57:44,187 --> 01:57:46,947
Speaker 18: I'm just going to enjoy the Premier League and look,

2377
01:57:46,987 --> 01:57:49,907
Speaker 18: I'm happy for with what Liverpool did last year. I

2378
01:57:49,947 --> 01:57:54,587
Speaker 18: think Chelsea will be attending to watch this year. But

2379
01:57:54,747 --> 01:57:57,587
Speaker 18: I was watching that Liverpool game and really I was

2380
01:57:58,187 --> 01:58:00,547
Speaker 18: wanting to see whether the Bournemouth goalie was better than

2381
01:58:00,587 --> 01:58:03,747
Speaker 18: Alex Paulson. And he conceded four goals in the end,

2382
01:58:03,787 --> 01:58:07,787
Speaker 18: but it was very close until your new signing, Federico

2383
01:58:07,907 --> 01:58:12,147
Speaker 18: Kieza from Italy came on and scored the go ahead goal.

2384
01:58:12,667 --> 01:58:15,227
Speaker 18: Now this guy, he's not Barjio he's not del Pierre,

2385
01:58:15,267 --> 01:58:18,307
Speaker 18: he's not even Toasty, but in recent years he's been

2386
01:58:18,387 --> 01:58:21,987
Speaker 18: Italy's main creative player and crucial when Estalie won Euro

2387
01:58:22,107 --> 01:58:24,587
Speaker 18: twenty twenty one. So at twenty seven years old, pony,

2388
01:58:24,907 --> 01:58:27,107
Speaker 18: he's a very good signing and what a way to

2389
01:58:27,227 --> 01:58:28,507
Speaker 18: become an anfield hero.

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01:58:29,067 --> 01:58:31,907
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, yep, totally right. I don't know what the

2391
01:58:31,947 --> 01:58:34,827
Speaker 2: future holds, sorry of the short term future holds for

2392
01:58:35,427 --> 01:58:37,587
Speaker 2: Alex Paulson, but what I do know is that is

2393
01:58:37,627 --> 01:58:40,067
Speaker 2: the players need to be playing and you can't be

2394
01:58:40,187 --> 01:58:43,387
Speaker 2: third choice goalkeeper. I know injuries happen, but yeah, you

2395
01:58:43,467 --> 01:58:46,227
Speaker 2: can't just be sitting on the bench, and so I

2396
01:58:46,347 --> 01:58:48,547
Speaker 2: hope that they find a way of either. You know, look,

2397
01:58:48,587 --> 01:58:51,307
Speaker 2: I don't suspect that Alex Paulson is ready to be

2398
01:58:51,867 --> 01:58:55,107
Speaker 2: the number one goalkeeper had born with yet, but he

2399
01:58:55,227 --> 01:58:57,547
Speaker 2: will one day. But he needs to play as often

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01:58:57,587 --> 01:58:59,307
Speaker 2: as he can and it's probably going to be somewhere

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01:58:59,307 --> 01:59:01,227
Speaker 2: else at the moment on loan, you know, not back

2402
01:59:01,227 --> 01:59:02,427
Speaker 2: at Auckland FC. I wouldn't have.

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01:59:02,427 --> 01:59:06,387
Speaker 3: Mentioned no, no A. There was one other thing. I

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01:59:06,387 --> 01:59:08,427
Speaker 3: don't know. If we've got time, we've got time pinting. Yeah,

2405
01:59:08,587 --> 01:59:11,827
Speaker 3: we're going on the qualification yep for the Comwealth Games.

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01:59:12,027 --> 01:59:16,107
Speaker 18: I'm a bit concerned about the athletics qualification standards for

2407
01:59:16,187 --> 01:59:19,827
Speaker 18: Glasgow next year. And look, they are really tough, but

2408
01:59:19,907 --> 01:59:20,387
Speaker 18: don't worry.

2409
01:59:20,427 --> 01:59:21,667
Speaker 3: Our big stars will be fine.

2410
01:59:21,707 --> 01:59:23,467
Speaker 18: Hamish Cure, Tom Walsh, Madey Wish.

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01:59:24,027 --> 01:59:26,067
Speaker 3: They'llll be sweet. Zoey Hoggs should be okay.

2412
01:59:26,147 --> 01:59:29,947
Speaker 18: But the qualifying standard for her is eleven seconds, which

2413
01:59:29,987 --> 01:59:31,867
Speaker 18: he's gone under a couple of times. But I mean

2414
01:59:32,187 --> 01:59:35,227
Speaker 18: this is the men's qualifying for one hundred meters is

2415
01:59:35,307 --> 01:59:37,187
Speaker 18: ten flats, ten seconds.

2416
01:59:36,867 --> 01:59:41,587
Speaker 2: Flat, ten flat for the hundred yeah, ja.

2417
01:59:41,827 --> 01:59:44,867
Speaker 18: For thee hundred, the A qualifying and even the BE

2418
01:59:45,027 --> 01:59:48,107
Speaker 18: qualifying as ten point h five. So Tiane Wilson, who's

2419
01:59:48,147 --> 01:59:51,427
Speaker 18: been run ten point ten, I mean, he's not going

2420
01:59:51,467 --> 01:59:53,507
Speaker 18: to make the Conwealth Games under these standards.

2421
01:59:53,547 --> 01:59:54,907
Speaker 22: So it is tough.

2422
01:59:55,547 --> 01:59:59,027
Speaker 2: It is tough. Yeah, better move, James, I want to talk.

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01:59:59,227 --> 02:00:01,267
Speaker 2: We should talk about that another day because I have

2424
02:00:01,427 --> 02:00:03,467
Speaker 2: run out of time. Always great to tell to you, mate,

2425
02:00:03,507 --> 02:00:05,787
Speaker 2: Thanks indeed, Jason McCarty, big part of our Sundays six

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Speaker 2: and a half to three and a half to one.

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Speaker 2: The stick says, can you please keep talking about the

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Speaker 2: beating of the spring walks. After two, look, I'd love to,

2429
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Speaker 2: and I'm sure there'll be you know, other time to

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Speaker 2: do it. We do have to move though, Sammy Maxwell

2431
02:00:17,507 --> 02:00:19,907
Speaker 2: after two can't wait to chat to one of our

2432
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Speaker 2: elite mountain bikers about her season in case your mister,

2433
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Speaker 2: straight after the news.

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Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest sports issues

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Speaker 1: on and after fields.

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Speaker 22: It's all on We.

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Speaker 1: James Sport with Jason pay on your home of Sport

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Speaker 1: US Talks.

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Speaker 2: Two o seven. This is weekend spot on News Talks

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Speaker 2: AB until three. I'm Jason Pine Andy McDonald as the

2441
02:00:44,907 --> 02:00:47,667
Speaker 2: show producer. This hour, we're going to get you to

2442
02:00:47,867 --> 02:00:52,507
Speaker 2: the Pyrenees where elite Kiwi mountain biker Sammy Maxwell is

2443
02:00:52,627 --> 02:00:54,827
Speaker 2: currently in a mid season break, although she's on an

2444
02:00:54,907 --> 02:00:58,307
Speaker 2: altitude camp, I think as she looks to consolidate her

2445
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Speaker 2: lead in the UCI World Cup rankings for cross country

2446
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Speaker 2: Olympic Women. That's the elite division's terrific season and is

2447
02:01:08,947 --> 02:01:11,467
Speaker 2: hoping to continue that. Sammy Maxwell going to join us

2448
02:01:11,467 --> 02:01:14,747
Speaker 2: shortly our weekend sport coaching guru Wayne Goldsmith and his

2449
02:01:16,227 --> 02:01:19,307
Speaker 2: latest slot. He's got a new book out and he

2450
02:01:19,427 --> 02:01:23,387
Speaker 2: believes talent is overrated among children. He'll tell us why.

2451
02:01:24,347 --> 02:01:26,347
Speaker 2: We'll keep eyes on live sport for you as well,

2452
02:01:27,027 --> 02:01:31,307
Speaker 2: some Bunnings, MPC, some Kate Shepherd Cup semi final football

2453
02:01:31,427 --> 02:01:33,947
Speaker 2: and other bits and pieces. We'll continue to take your

2454
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Speaker 2: calls and correspondence. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty lines

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Speaker 2: are open nine two ninety two for your text emails

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Speaker 2: into Jason at newstalksbat dot co dot nz. But as

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Speaker 2: we approach eight past two, as we always do at

2458
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Speaker 2: this time on weekend sport, it is time to catch

2459
02:01:51,547 --> 02:01:53,307
Speaker 2: you up with some of the stuff you might have

2460
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Speaker 2: missed over the last little while. I said yesterday that

2461
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Speaker 2: it's a busy sporting weekend. Well here is your bumper

2462
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Speaker 2: edition of in Kasha missed it. Starting with yesterday's NPC action,

2463
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Speaker 2: Taranaki have gone to the top of the table with

2464
02:02:06,707 --> 02:02:10,787
Speaker 2: a demolition job of Auckland and eden Park.

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Speaker 38: Walter's heads and it's mass inside that twenty two Walters

2466
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Speaker 38: hands is going to go all the way at Taranaki

2467
02:02:16,707 --> 02:02:20,907
Speaker 38: are gonna score a seventh try, slats the conversion and

2468
02:02:21,187 --> 02:02:23,307
Speaker 38: fifty up for Taranaki.

2469
02:02:22,947 --> 02:02:28,627
Speaker 2: Fifty points to eight Taranaki over Auckland's Taranaki, joined at

2470
02:02:28,667 --> 02:02:30,347
Speaker 2: the top by Hawks Bay who were too good for

2471
02:02:30,427 --> 02:02:32,267
Speaker 2: North Harbor and Ari has it again.

2472
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Speaker 5: White out and try time out on the left wing

2473
02:02:34,987 --> 02:02:35,867
Speaker 5: side of the hill to.

2474
02:02:36,107 --> 02:02:38,467
Speaker 2: Ripleet thirty six to twenty two. They lead now that

2475
02:02:38,627 --> 02:02:41,667
Speaker 2: was the final score. Canterbury also unbeaten after victory over

2476
02:02:41,747 --> 02:02:42,267
Speaker 2: the Steamers.

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Speaker 39: It's a pass for you to en or he's through

2478
02:02:44,307 --> 02:02:47,427
Speaker 39: to Callow little chip of chase bounceable will be interesting

2479
02:02:47,627 --> 02:02:48,547
Speaker 39: and sets up.

2480
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Speaker 2: For Cory Gello and Tory Kello.

2481
02:02:51,747 --> 02:02:55,147
Speaker 39: Has himself a try and that could be the difference

2482
02:02:55,227 --> 02:02:59,547
Speaker 39: This afternoon. Nineteen plays seven with a kick to.

2483
02:02:59,667 --> 02:03:02,347
Speaker 2: Come and that kick was successful, twenty one seven the

2484
02:03:02,387 --> 02:03:05,867
Speaker 2: final score. Tasman chalking up back to back wins, this

2485
02:03:06,027 --> 02:03:07,787
Speaker 2: time over North London FuG Today.

2486
02:03:07,747 --> 02:03:09,147
Speaker 6: Willie how Vinny gives it up.

2487
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Speaker 39: Oh that is a gorgeous pull and I'm really Tully

2488
02:03:13,547 --> 02:03:15,147
Speaker 39: tooey with the try.

2489
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Speaker 2: As we've already heard. This afternoon, incredible scenes at Ellis Park,

2490
02:03:19,107 --> 02:03:22,427
Speaker 2: the Wallaby's coming back from twenty two Niel down to

2491
02:03:22,547 --> 02:03:25,747
Speaker 2: beat South Africa thirty eight twenty two in the Rugby Championship,

2492
02:03:25,987 --> 02:03:30,747
Speaker 2: lost hour and intercept it right has got one.

2493
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Speaker 5: To beats he beats for this up at crick starter

2494
02:03:35,267 --> 02:03:36,347
Speaker 5: will not catch him.

2495
02:03:36,987 --> 02:03:40,587
Speaker 2: And that's if it will be that remarkable. At Elie Park,

2496
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Speaker 2: the All Blacks meantime, scored six tries to beat Argentina

2497
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Speaker 2: forty one twenty four in cord Over the last two

2498
02:03:47,747 --> 02:03:50,387
Speaker 2: to reserve hook our summer. Sauny Talkia Hole taken by

2499
02:03:50,907 --> 02:03:51,627
Speaker 2: the All Blacks.

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Speaker 5: Drive begins super vi taking your Takeyah with it in

2501
02:03:56,067 --> 02:03:58,827
Speaker 5: that capost. They're on the ram packs the All Blacks

2502
02:03:58,867 --> 02:04:02,227
Speaker 5: and seven Sony Takeyo has got himself a second and

2503
02:04:02,387 --> 02:04:06,067
Speaker 5: that has sealed the All Blacks win forty one twenty four,

2504
02:04:06,667 --> 02:04:08,627
Speaker 5: sick to come two for top.

2505
02:04:08,547 --> 02:04:11,587
Speaker 2: Yo hop to the opening weekend of Football's Premier League,

2506
02:04:11,667 --> 02:04:16,427
Speaker 2: Sunderland's marking their return to the top flight in styles all.

2507
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Speaker 29: Your South City there.

2508
02:04:25,827 --> 02:04:29,427
Speaker 1: Hosting day stated an attention.

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02:04:30,627 --> 02:04:36,107
Speaker 2: Sutherland after leag Next Football three nil winners Sunderland over

2510
02:04:36,187 --> 02:04:39,587
Speaker 2: west Ham Tottenham chalking up the same score line against

2511
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Speaker 2: one of the other promoted sides. Burnley did well there.

2512
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Speaker 40: To find sar Here he goes Brendon Johnson and it's

2513
02:04:46,067 --> 02:04:50,347
Speaker 40: true now well this is chantagne football from Johndham Hospital,

2514
02:04:51,707 --> 02:04:53,027
Speaker 40: ripping Burnley apart.

2515
02:04:53,187 --> 02:04:55,427
Speaker 2: Here now, but the biggest score line was that of

2516
02:04:55,467 --> 02:04:59,107
Speaker 2: Manchester City winning four nil away at Wolverhampton Wanderers.

2517
02:04:59,267 --> 02:05:03,387
Speaker 5: So much excapement surrounding Ryan Chakey, half the Premier League

2518
02:05:03,427 --> 02:05:04,307
Speaker 5: wanted decide him.

2519
02:05:04,987 --> 02:05:09,387
Speaker 8: Manchester City backed and they have scored four has.

2520
02:05:09,307 --> 02:05:13,027
Speaker 2: That opening salvo back here, back to back World Series

2521
02:05:13,147 --> 02:05:16,387
Speaker 2: titles for Luke Littler winning the New Zealand Darts Masters

2522
02:05:16,547 --> 02:05:17,067
Speaker 2: in Auckland.

2523
02:05:17,267 --> 02:05:17,947
Speaker 8: Is this the moment?

2524
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Speaker 23: It is the moment double fifteen five because he psolute

2525
02:05:28,067 --> 02:05:30,267
Speaker 23: show what it before.

2526
02:05:29,987 --> 02:05:33,347
Speaker 2: Them, the eighteen year old beating world number one Luke

2527
02:05:33,427 --> 02:05:36,227
Speaker 2: Humphreys eight four in the final to complete the down

2528
02:05:36,467 --> 02:05:40,427
Speaker 2: Under double. After winning an Australia last weekend, the Toll

2529
02:05:40,467 --> 02:05:43,987
Speaker 2: Blacks will play off the third and fourth at Basketball's

2530
02:05:44,027 --> 02:05:46,987
Speaker 2: Asia Cup, going down to China in the semi finals.

2531
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Speaker 5: Dude, with the rebound in China, are gonna celebrate They're

2532
02:05:51,507 --> 02:05:52,387
Speaker 5: back in the final.

2533
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Speaker 6: I'll to see that as a.

2534
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Speaker 16: Cup big with there by Team China tour black sall

2535
02:05:58,747 --> 02:05:59,707
Speaker 16: be hard.

2536
02:05:59,787 --> 02:06:03,427
Speaker 2: Proaching a ninety eight eighty four loss. The Tall Blacks

2537
02:06:03,427 --> 02:06:06,467
Speaker 2: will meet Iran in the playoff for third, China up

2538
02:06:06,467 --> 02:06:10,107
Speaker 2: against Australia in the final. Victory for high jumper Hamish

2539
02:06:10,187 --> 02:06:12,907
Speaker 2: Kerr at the latest Diamond League events in Poland and

2540
02:06:13,067 --> 02:06:14,907
Speaker 2: he goes Claire at two thirty three.

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02:06:15,387 --> 02:06:17,667
Speaker 32: Well, he doesn't win just by one Claire height that

2542
02:06:17,707 --> 02:06:20,307
Speaker 32: would have been done by two thirty that's third time clearance.

2543
02:06:20,347 --> 02:06:23,547
Speaker 2: He wins by two Claire heights, the Olympic champion, winning

2544
02:06:23,587 --> 02:06:26,467
Speaker 2: with the season best leap of two point three to

2545
02:06:26,507 --> 02:06:30,267
Speaker 2: three meters. And finally, the Black Foils second on the

2546
02:06:30,307 --> 02:06:32,987
Speaker 2: event leader board after the opening day of sale GP

2547
02:06:33,787 --> 02:06:36,667
Speaker 2: in Germany, New Zealand with a fifth, a fourth and

2548
02:06:36,787 --> 02:06:39,787
Speaker 2: a tenth in the first three races before a win

2549
02:06:39,867 --> 02:06:43,187
Speaker 2: in the final contest, giving them a much needed boost

2550
02:06:43,267 --> 02:06:44,027
Speaker 2: in the standings.

2551
02:06:44,507 --> 02:06:47,267
Speaker 39: But it is the Blackfoils who spit it around four

2552
02:06:47,427 --> 02:06:50,947
Speaker 39: races for different winners and the final race on Saturday

2553
02:06:51,347 --> 02:06:53,027
Speaker 39: will go the way of the Blackfoils.

2554
02:06:53,067 --> 02:06:57,107
Speaker 2: Here for a company, take the win as sassness when.

2555
02:06:57,027 --> 02:06:59,267
Speaker 1: It's down to the line. You made a call on

2556
02:06:59,667 --> 02:07:05,027
Speaker 1: eight Weekend Sports with Jason Pine News Talk zimb Yeah.

2557
02:07:05,027 --> 02:07:06,507
Speaker 2: I think that was one of the more COMPREHENDI have.

2558
02:07:06,547 --> 02:07:09,307
Speaker 2: In case you missed, Athady didn't even get the NRL

2559
02:07:09,427 --> 02:07:11,387
Speaker 2: and did I didn't even get the NRL And were

2560
02:07:11,427 --> 02:07:14,267
Speaker 2: there any decent NRL games last night? I'm sure there were,

2561
02:07:15,427 --> 02:07:21,507
Speaker 2: I'm true already it's the smallan spord Brisbane man was incredible.

2562
02:07:21,667 --> 02:07:24,227
Speaker 2: Oh Throe yet thirty eight twenty eight Broncos over Dolphin.

2563
02:07:24,267 --> 02:07:27,987
Speaker 2: Fantastic anyway, Well done on that though, Yeah, that was comprehensive.

2564
02:07:28,427 --> 02:07:30,907
Speaker 2: See normally Andy puts together that feature, but because he

2565
02:07:31,027 --> 02:07:32,827
Speaker 2: was tied up with doing a whole bunch of other stuff,

2566
02:07:32,867 --> 02:07:34,427
Speaker 2: I said, look, I'll take it over. I think I

2567
02:07:34,507 --> 02:07:36,507
Speaker 2: might have got carried away with all of the stuff

2568
02:07:36,507 --> 02:07:38,867
Speaker 2: that was going on. No, you nailed it. I'll do

2569
02:07:38,947 --> 02:07:42,547
Speaker 2: the same. Shark's fifty four Titans twenty two years today,

2570
02:07:42,747 --> 02:07:46,427
Speaker 2: Rabbito's twenty el sixteen Tigers. See Eagles today at four

2571
02:07:46,587 --> 02:07:49,587
Speaker 2: Cowboys nights at five past six. Kind of last chance

2572
02:07:49,627 --> 02:07:51,467
Speaker 2: saloon really for the Seagulls, isn't it. You look at

2573
02:07:51,507 --> 02:07:54,227
Speaker 2: the table and they find themselves in tenth on twenty

2574
02:07:54,307 --> 02:07:58,107
Speaker 2: four points. The Roosters are eighth currently on twenty eight.

2575
02:07:58,187 --> 02:08:00,907
Speaker 2: So yeah, the Seagles want to keep their top eight

2576
02:08:01,027 --> 02:08:02,787
Speaker 2: chances alive. They kind of got to win this. I'll

2577
02:08:02,787 --> 02:08:04,827
Speaker 2: have three more games after it to go. The Warriors,

2578
02:08:04,867 --> 02:08:07,027
Speaker 2: of course, we'll finish the weekend in the top four.

2579
02:08:07,507 --> 02:08:11,027
Speaker 2: Look forward to seeing how the next three weeks play

2580
02:08:11,107 --> 02:08:14,267
Speaker 2: out for them. Wellington are off to a flyer against

2581
02:08:14,347 --> 02:08:18,907
Speaker 2: Otago at Jerry Collins Stadium in Pottydoer. This is Bunning's

2582
02:08:19,107 --> 02:08:23,107
Speaker 2: NPC action. They've scored two tries already in the game,

2583
02:08:24,107 --> 02:08:27,707
Speaker 2: both of them converted Matt Proctor that is the brother

2584
02:08:27,827 --> 02:08:31,067
Speaker 2: of Billy, of course veteran Matt Proctor. One test all

2585
02:08:31,107 --> 02:08:33,507
Speaker 2: Black has scored a try converted by Jackson Garden Bishop

2586
02:08:33,707 --> 02:08:35,827
Speaker 2: and Harry Plummer has just crashed over for a second

2587
02:08:35,867 --> 02:08:38,307
Speaker 2: close to the posts Garden basherp has converted that one.

2588
02:08:38,387 --> 02:08:42,547
Speaker 2: So Wellington fourteen knill ahead of Otago and we've only

2589
02:08:42,627 --> 02:08:45,547
Speaker 2: had about eight or nine minutes there at Pottydoer Park

2590
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Speaker 2: two fifteen. Let's take a break when we come back

2591
02:08:48,467 --> 02:08:51,147
Speaker 2: off to the Pyrenees where we find one of our

2592
02:08:51,267 --> 02:08:54,987
Speaker 2: top cyclists, our top mountain bikers, Sammy Max. Were going

2593
02:08:55,027 --> 02:08:55,707
Speaker 2: to join us after this.

2594
02:08:56,227 --> 02:08:59,947
Speaker 1: Don't get caught off side undred eighty ten eighty weekends

2595
02:09:00,027 --> 02:09:03,987
Speaker 1: for us with Jason Paine and GJ. Gardnerholmes, New Zealand's

2596
02:09:04,027 --> 02:09:05,667
Speaker 1: most trusted home builder News.

2597
02:09:05,547 --> 02:09:08,787
Speaker 2: Dogs n B eighteen minutes past two Elite key we

2598
02:09:08,987 --> 02:09:12,467
Speaker 2: munt and biker Sammy Maxwell currently leads the UCI World

2599
02:09:12,547 --> 02:09:16,667
Speaker 2: Cup rankings in the Cross Country Olympic Women's Elite following

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02:09:16,787 --> 02:09:19,227
Speaker 2: her win in the last event in Andra.

2601
02:09:19,947 --> 02:09:27,227
Speaker 39: It's been Maxwell her very very best Samarah Maxwell text for.

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02:09:27,507 --> 02:09:30,107
Speaker 14: When and Parara, Sala and Dora.

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Speaker 2: What a performance. Yeah, brilliant performance from Sammy Maxwell who

2604
02:09:35,227 --> 02:09:37,747
Speaker 2: joins us. Now it's been a month since that, Sammy.

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02:09:37,947 --> 02:09:41,587
Speaker 2: An incredible victory really in that event in Andorra, given

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02:09:41,627 --> 02:09:44,907
Speaker 2: the fact that you had two crashes during that race

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02:09:45,027 --> 02:09:48,067
Speaker 2: and a puncture, so getting up to win. Where does

2608
02:09:48,107 --> 02:09:52,587
Speaker 2: that result rank among your race victories given the circumstances

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02:09:52,627 --> 02:09:53,027
Speaker 2: it came in.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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02:09:54,227 --> 02:09:57,227
Speaker 41: I was on another recent interview and I was saying,

2612
02:09:57,267 --> 02:10:00,387
Speaker 41: that's probably one of the proudest races I've done, not

2613
02:10:00,627 --> 02:10:05,307
Speaker 41: because necessarily the result or you know, the the glory.

2614
02:10:05,467 --> 02:10:07,347
Speaker 41: I guess that everyone has kind of made it out

2615
02:10:07,427 --> 02:10:10,147
Speaker 41: to be, but because of well, two reasons really. The

2616
02:10:10,227 --> 02:10:11,907
Speaker 41: first one was when I won in Brazil at the

2617
02:10:11,947 --> 02:10:14,667
Speaker 41: start of the season, I said I want to be sustainable,

2618
02:10:14,947 --> 02:10:15,787
Speaker 41: like that's my goal.

2619
02:10:15,867 --> 02:10:18,827
Speaker 42: I want to be winning at the end of the season.

2620
02:10:19,107 --> 02:10:23,187
Speaker 41: So to sort of win in what April and then

2621
02:10:23,267 --> 02:10:25,707
Speaker 41: again and sit August kind of.

2622
02:10:25,747 --> 02:10:28,107
Speaker 42: Around then it's kind of really important for me.

2623
02:10:28,627 --> 02:10:30,667
Speaker 41: Just to prove to myself and to others that I'm

2624
02:10:31,467 --> 02:10:34,267
Speaker 41: doing it in a way that's really sustainable, my body

2625
02:10:34,307 --> 02:10:35,147
Speaker 41: can keep performing.

2626
02:10:36,227 --> 02:10:38,387
Speaker 42: So yeah, that was really important for me. And then

2627
02:10:38,427 --> 02:10:39,307
Speaker 42: the second reason was.

2628
02:10:39,347 --> 02:10:41,387
Speaker 41: Just because it was such a shit show out there,

2629
02:10:42,987 --> 02:10:44,947
Speaker 41: and I honestly had a moment where I was like,

2630
02:10:45,187 --> 02:10:47,587
Speaker 41: I could I could pack a wally right now, like

2631
02:10:48,507 --> 02:10:51,667
Speaker 41: I could throw my toys out of the cot or

2632
02:10:51,787 --> 02:10:55,947
Speaker 41: just kind of keep pushing, and I just the throwing

2633
02:10:56,027 --> 02:10:58,667
Speaker 41: attention just didn't even like occurred to me, and I

2634
02:10:58,827 --> 02:11:01,027
Speaker 41: was like, well, that's not going to help me get

2635
02:11:01,067 --> 02:11:04,067
Speaker 41: to the finish line. Like I could either race and

2636
02:11:04,187 --> 02:11:07,027
Speaker 41: keep crashing but enjoy it, or I can race and

2637
02:11:07,187 --> 02:11:09,267
Speaker 41: not enjoy it and then just get to the finish

2638
02:11:09,347 --> 02:11:09,867
Speaker 41: line sad.

2639
02:11:09,947 --> 02:11:11,187
Speaker 42: I was like, well, would I want to do that?

2640
02:11:11,827 --> 02:11:13,707
Speaker 42: So yeah, I was pretty.

2641
02:11:13,467 --> 02:11:16,747
Speaker 41: Happy with the mentality of myself and my composure. I've

2642
02:11:16,787 --> 02:11:19,227
Speaker 41: come a long way from under twenty threes, and so

2643
02:11:19,387 --> 02:11:20,467
Speaker 41: yeah that was cool to see.

2644
02:11:20,587 --> 02:11:23,107
Speaker 2: Yeah, you certainly have. I mean, how much has the

2645
02:11:23,227 --> 02:11:26,587
Speaker 2: way you deal with setbacks changed in the last couple

2646
02:11:26,587 --> 02:11:26,987
Speaker 2: of years.

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02:11:28,307 --> 02:11:29,187
Speaker 42: Yeah, so much.

2648
02:11:29,347 --> 02:11:31,867
Speaker 41: I think a lot of as to do with just

2649
02:11:31,987 --> 02:11:37,227
Speaker 41: general confidence in my ability. I've read a few like

2650
02:11:37,467 --> 02:11:40,747
Speaker 41: books on like mental resilience and stuff like that, and

2651
02:11:40,827 --> 02:11:42,547
Speaker 41: it's like a really cool saying that always has stuck

2652
02:11:42,627 --> 02:11:45,067
Speaker 41: with me, And it's like, confidence doesn't come from standing

2653
02:11:45,107 --> 02:11:48,307
Speaker 41: in the mirror of telling yourself positive affirmations. Confidence comes

2654
02:11:48,347 --> 02:11:52,427
Speaker 41: from getting out there and actually having irresputable evidence that

2655
02:11:52,507 --> 02:11:55,067
Speaker 41: you can do something right. So it's kind of it's

2656
02:11:55,147 --> 02:11:59,027
Speaker 41: not fair to expect under nineteen and junior writers from

2657
02:11:59,427 --> 02:12:02,467
Speaker 41: New Zealand to go and have genuine confidence in themselves

2658
02:12:02,547 --> 02:12:05,107
Speaker 41: because they haven't been able to race over in Europe.

2659
02:12:05,187 --> 02:12:07,147
Speaker 42: So I think for me, it took a.

2660
02:12:07,147 --> 02:12:09,387
Speaker 41: While to learn that I'm I'm going to be a

2661
02:12:09,467 --> 02:12:11,867
Speaker 41: bit chaotic and it's going to take a few years

2662
02:12:11,907 --> 02:12:13,627
Speaker 41: for me to gain genuine confidence.

2663
02:12:13,747 --> 02:12:16,827
Speaker 42: But I kind of just took it slowly and just

2664
02:12:16,907 --> 02:12:17,427
Speaker 42: accepted that.

2665
02:12:17,627 --> 02:12:20,307
Speaker 41: And now I'm been racing overseas for a few years,

2666
02:12:20,507 --> 02:12:23,187
Speaker 41: I can have that genuine confidence. But but yeah, I

2667
02:12:23,267 --> 02:12:25,907
Speaker 41: think it's been super important just to helping me keep composed.

2668
02:12:25,987 --> 02:12:28,387
Speaker 41: I mean, last year, my first Elite race, I literally

2669
02:12:28,467 --> 02:12:32,387
Speaker 41: crashed in the first corner and took out my teammate, so.

2670
02:12:33,867 --> 02:12:35,187
Speaker 42: We've cover wee basince.

2671
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Speaker 2: Then absolutely all it's all all on the up from that.

2672
02:12:39,787 --> 02:12:42,827
Speaker 2: You're leading. You're leading the series by four hundred and

2673
02:12:42,867 --> 02:12:44,947
Speaker 2: forty five points, but that's all relative of course to

2674
02:12:44,987 --> 02:12:48,307
Speaker 2: how many points are available in each event. So exactly

2675
02:12:48,427 --> 02:12:50,587
Speaker 2: it feels like it's four hundred and forty five points

2676
02:12:50,627 --> 02:12:51,747
Speaker 2: a comfortable.

2677
02:12:51,387 --> 02:12:55,387
Speaker 41: Lead or not if not really oh not really no,

2678
02:12:55,587 --> 02:13:00,187
Speaker 41: because each round you can win three hundred and thirty points, right,

2679
02:13:00,947 --> 02:13:05,267
Speaker 41: So all it takes and it's mountain biking, right, Like

2680
02:13:05,427 --> 02:13:08,027
Speaker 41: you have Matthew, one of the best cyclists in the world,

2681
02:13:08,067 --> 02:13:11,027
Speaker 41: coming to a mountain bick grace and not finishing. So

2682
02:13:11,227 --> 02:13:13,867
Speaker 41: if I go to a weekend and I get and

2683
02:13:13,987 --> 02:13:16,307
Speaker 41: I don't finish, I get a mechanical or I crash out,

2684
02:13:16,667 --> 02:13:18,627
Speaker 41: there's three hundred and thirty points that I lose to

2685
02:13:18,707 --> 02:13:21,307
Speaker 41: the winter, do you know what I mean? So it's

2686
02:13:21,387 --> 02:13:26,307
Speaker 41: definitely not comfortable by any means. But yeah, it's still

2687
02:13:26,307 --> 02:13:28,827
Speaker 41: a long season. We're still halfway through. I was just

2688
02:13:28,947 --> 02:13:31,467
Speaker 41: realized we've done six races and we have five left,

2689
02:13:32,147 --> 02:13:33,827
Speaker 41: so it's a long season.

2690
02:13:33,867 --> 02:13:35,507
Speaker 42: So there's a long way to go still, and.

2691
02:13:35,587 --> 02:13:37,987
Speaker 2: So you're currently coming towards the end. I think of

2692
02:13:38,027 --> 02:13:42,387
Speaker 2: a six week break between events and understand you've spent

2693
02:13:42,507 --> 02:13:45,867
Speaker 2: time in an altitude camp in the Pyrenees. So what

2694
02:13:45,987 --> 02:13:48,227
Speaker 2: did that consist of and how beneficial has it been.

2695
02:13:49,467 --> 02:13:51,627
Speaker 42: Well, I'm still up at altitude. So we came up

2696
02:13:51,747 --> 02:13:54,347
Speaker 42: last week and it's been really tough.

2697
02:13:54,467 --> 02:13:58,267
Speaker 41: Actually, so it's my first altitude camp and anyone that's

2698
02:13:58,307 --> 02:14:01,507
Speaker 41: done altitude knows the biggest, biggest concern and threat is

2699
02:14:01,787 --> 02:14:05,467
Speaker 41: to cook yourself basically, and the way I like to

2700
02:14:05,587 --> 02:14:08,347
Speaker 41: train is very, very aggressive. I like to push my

2701
02:14:08,467 --> 02:14:12,307
Speaker 41: body and it's been something I can my body could

2702
02:14:12,347 --> 02:14:14,787
Speaker 41: cope with when I was at low altitude, when recovery

2703
02:14:14,907 --> 02:14:19,547
Speaker 41: was better, but coming up to high altitude after a week,

2704
02:14:19,787 --> 02:14:24,347
Speaker 41: we we're really lucky the team. We have medical data

2705
02:14:24,547 --> 02:14:27,787
Speaker 41: I guess supplied and monitoring us every night while we sleep.

2706
02:14:28,267 --> 02:14:31,907
Speaker 41: We have like hydration tests and oxygen saturation tests and

2707
02:14:32,027 --> 02:14:35,107
Speaker 41: cardiac measures and every day to measure our recovery. And

2708
02:14:35,187 --> 02:14:37,787
Speaker 41: by the end of the first week they go, Sammy,

2709
02:14:37,827 --> 02:14:40,787
Speaker 41: you've like unadapted from altitude.

2710
02:14:40,827 --> 02:14:41,827
Speaker 42: You've put You've.

2711
02:14:41,627 --> 02:14:44,787
Speaker 41: Put so much stress on your body that your oxygen

2712
02:14:44,867 --> 02:14:48,027
Speaker 41: saturation is actually like lower than when you arrived, and

2713
02:14:48,107 --> 02:14:51,387
Speaker 41: I was like, oh, wops. So I had to take

2714
02:14:51,427 --> 02:14:55,267
Speaker 41: a day off and my body's starting to come right again.

2715
02:14:55,787 --> 02:14:58,427
Speaker 41: So it's been pretty tough, but I think it's it's

2716
02:14:58,467 --> 02:15:01,147
Speaker 41: a good It'll be good because I have some good

2717
02:15:01,187 --> 02:15:04,587
Speaker 41: support around me and some good people that know what

2718
02:15:04,627 --> 02:15:07,067
Speaker 41: they're doing. So I think we've still got two weeks

2719
02:15:07,147 --> 02:15:10,187
Speaker 41: up here, so I should should hopefully rep some rewards

2720
02:15:10,227 --> 02:15:10,427
Speaker 41: from that.

2721
02:15:11,747 --> 02:15:13,867
Speaker 2: So ideally, what happens at the end of it, what

2722
02:15:14,227 --> 02:15:15,907
Speaker 2: are the rewards of doing it?

2723
02:15:17,587 --> 02:15:20,507
Speaker 42: Essentially, basically, you get more hemoglobin.

2724
02:15:19,987 --> 02:15:23,427
Speaker 41: Right in your blood and then you go back down

2725
02:15:23,747 --> 02:15:27,627
Speaker 41: altitude and the air just feels like you're breathing soup,

2726
02:15:27,907 --> 02:15:29,867
Speaker 41: like it's just so much oxygen, and your body is

2727
02:15:29,987 --> 02:15:32,907
Speaker 41: just yeah, love and life a lot more love it.

2728
02:15:33,067 --> 02:15:34,627
Speaker 2: So you said five more events? Is that four more

2729
02:15:34,627 --> 02:15:37,267
Speaker 2: World Cups, Cup events and the World Champs or is

2730
02:15:37,267 --> 02:15:38,387
Speaker 2: the World Champs separate again?

2731
02:15:39,067 --> 02:15:39,267
Speaker 23: Yeah?

2732
02:15:39,387 --> 02:15:41,347
Speaker 42: Man, you've done your research. I'm I'm pressed.

2733
02:15:42,187 --> 02:15:44,067
Speaker 2: So the World Champs is part of the sorry, yeah,

2734
02:15:44,067 --> 02:15:46,027
Speaker 2: the World Champs is part of the whole thing? Or

2735
02:15:46,147 --> 02:15:47,987
Speaker 2: is that separate again? To win it?

2736
02:15:48,187 --> 02:15:50,547
Speaker 41: It's just that that's yeah, that's just the way the

2737
02:15:50,667 --> 02:15:52,707
Speaker 41: athletes think, really, you have your World Cup.

2738
02:15:52,667 --> 02:15:55,147
Speaker 42: And then you've got your one World Champs, so you've

2739
02:15:55,187 --> 02:15:56,227
Speaker 42: got five races.

2740
02:15:56,147 --> 02:15:58,627
Speaker 2: Brilliant, So you could win the series after four more

2741
02:15:58,667 --> 02:16:01,347
Speaker 2: World Cup events all going well, you could you could

2742
02:16:01,387 --> 02:16:03,627
Speaker 2: win this man, that would be so cool. And I

2743
02:16:03,827 --> 02:16:05,867
Speaker 2: understand your parents are coming to what you compete now.

2744
02:16:05,987 --> 02:16:08,427
Speaker 2: Is this to be the first time they've seen you

2745
02:16:08,547 --> 02:16:09,987
Speaker 2: compete outside of New Zealand?

2746
02:16:11,187 --> 02:16:12,427
Speaker 42: Yeah, yeah, pretty much.

2747
02:16:12,507 --> 02:16:15,667
Speaker 41: I think even these days we were lucky this year

2748
02:16:15,747 --> 02:16:17,867
Speaker 41: Nationals wasn't all to do, so they came and watched.

2749
02:16:17,907 --> 02:16:21,707
Speaker 41: But normally Nationals and Oshi's are in christ Church or

2750
02:16:21,747 --> 02:16:24,467
Speaker 41: Queenstown or whatever, and they don't even they can't even

2751
02:16:24,547 --> 02:16:26,547
Speaker 41: like come watch me race for that just with work

2752
02:16:26,707 --> 02:16:28,787
Speaker 41: and travel and commitment. And I'm a big girl now

2753
02:16:28,867 --> 02:16:30,707
Speaker 41: so I don't need them to help carry my bags

2754
02:16:30,747 --> 02:16:34,947
Speaker 41: for the airport. So yeah, they they have probably seen

2755
02:16:35,027 --> 02:16:40,027
Speaker 41: me race honestly twice every two years. So it's kind

2756
02:16:40,067 --> 02:16:42,227
Speaker 41: of funny and cool to be able to have them

2757
02:16:42,307 --> 02:16:45,387
Speaker 41: come watch me race. But I'm just mostly excited to

2758
02:16:45,427 --> 02:16:49,587
Speaker 41: be able to share marzine my like European base with them,

2759
02:16:50,107 --> 02:16:52,147
Speaker 41: take them up to the lake and show them around

2760
02:16:52,187 --> 02:16:54,707
Speaker 41: the town and just like what my life is like

2761
02:16:54,827 --> 02:16:55,187
Speaker 41: over here?

2762
02:16:55,427 --> 02:16:56,107
Speaker 42: Really excited?

2763
02:16:56,387 --> 02:16:58,747
Speaker 2: What is your life like over there outside of all

2764
02:16:58,827 --> 02:17:01,027
Speaker 2: of the training and competing that you do.

2765
02:17:02,627 --> 02:17:03,987
Speaker 42: Yeah, it's not It's funny.

2766
02:17:04,387 --> 02:17:06,867
Speaker 41: I always thought been an athlete be like so what

2767
02:17:06,947 --> 02:17:08,427
Speaker 41: you ride your bike for a few hours a day

2768
02:17:08,867 --> 02:17:11,107
Speaker 41: and then what you just get a message. But now

2769
02:17:11,187 --> 02:17:14,307
Speaker 41: that I'm here, it's so hectic. Like I guess I

2770
02:17:15,307 --> 02:17:18,427
Speaker 41: like to put a lot on my plate with studying

2771
02:17:18,547 --> 02:17:21,067
Speaker 41: as well. I do like French courses online at the moment.

2772
02:17:21,747 --> 02:17:25,627
Speaker 41: But yeah, a lot of time goes into training, recovery,

2773
02:17:25,867 --> 02:17:30,587
Speaker 41: preparing for your training, just managing like levels, doing lots

2774
02:17:30,627 --> 02:17:34,307
Speaker 41: of like monitoring. I do a lot of like journaling

2775
02:17:34,467 --> 02:17:38,787
Speaker 41: and stuff which helps with my head. But yeah, I'm

2776
02:17:38,827 --> 02:17:44,907
Speaker 41: pretty pretty pretty happy in the sense that I'm getting

2777
02:17:44,907 --> 02:17:46,267
Speaker 41: out of stage now where I can just go out

2778
02:17:46,267 --> 02:17:48,347
Speaker 41: for like four or five hours and I just design

2779
02:17:48,547 --> 02:17:51,147
Speaker 41: like a really nice loop through the French Alps or

2780
02:17:51,187 --> 02:17:54,227
Speaker 41: the Pyrenees, and I'm just so happy. You know, you'd

2781
02:17:54,267 --> 02:17:56,707
Speaker 41: come back at like three o'clock in the afternoon and

2782
02:17:56,827 --> 02:18:01,067
Speaker 41: have some lunch and then have some more food. I

2783
02:18:01,147 --> 02:18:04,187
Speaker 41: actually think we probably spend half our day eating. Athletes honestly.

2784
02:18:04,427 --> 02:18:04,627
Speaker 25: Yeah.

2785
02:18:04,867 --> 02:18:09,347
Speaker 2: But it's hard, right, It's hard, man, I mean, you

2786
02:18:09,427 --> 02:18:13,267
Speaker 2: know physically mentally, this is challenging. It ain't just to

2787
02:18:13,387 --> 02:18:16,227
Speaker 2: ride through the through the mountains and a nice three

2788
02:18:16,227 --> 02:18:18,107
Speaker 2: o'clock lun It's hard, right.

2789
02:18:18,067 --> 02:18:18,787
Speaker 25: Yeah, exactly.

2790
02:18:19,427 --> 02:18:22,907
Speaker 41: Yeah, I guess the I think as an athlete, for us,

2791
02:18:23,307 --> 02:18:26,387
Speaker 41: the hardest thing is like, well for me anyway, the

2792
02:18:26,427 --> 02:18:29,107
Speaker 41: thing I struggle most with is like the uncertainty of

2793
02:18:29,147 --> 02:18:33,707
Speaker 41: how I'm going to perform every day. Imagine like every

2794
02:18:33,747 --> 02:18:36,947
Speaker 41: day you go to work and you have like someone saying,

2795
02:18:37,067 --> 02:18:41,387
Speaker 41: like you have to do forty papers today or like

2796
02:18:41,507 --> 02:18:44,347
Speaker 41: you have and like every day we are like measuring

2797
02:18:44,467 --> 02:18:46,907
Speaker 41: ourselves our progress.

2798
02:18:47,067 --> 02:18:49,347
Speaker 42: Every day. We have a standard we have to reach,

2799
02:18:49,947 --> 02:18:51,667
Speaker 42: and then we have a standard that we have expected

2800
02:18:51,747 --> 02:18:55,307
Speaker 42: ourselves that we have to reach. So like, especially on

2801
02:18:55,507 --> 02:18:58,307
Speaker 42: days where you have intervals, it's like a race day

2802
02:18:58,427 --> 02:18:58,827
Speaker 42: every day.

2803
02:18:59,907 --> 02:19:01,707
Speaker 41: So yeah, I think that's just the biggest things like that,

2804
02:19:01,947 --> 02:19:04,387
Speaker 41: that uncertainty of like will you achieve your goal today?

2805
02:19:04,627 --> 02:19:07,987
Speaker 42: It's quite tiring in some aspects.

2806
02:19:08,867 --> 02:19:10,547
Speaker 41: But the more I do it, Yeah, the more I

2807
02:19:10,627 --> 02:19:12,987
Speaker 41: do it, the more I'm learning that there is variability

2808
02:19:13,107 --> 02:19:16,627
Speaker 41: and it sometimes well there's always a reason why you

2809
02:19:16,787 --> 02:19:18,907
Speaker 41: can't hit your numbers or why you can't execute a.

2810
02:19:18,907 --> 02:19:20,867
Speaker 42: Training and that just means you have to rest a

2811
02:19:20,947 --> 02:19:21,347
Speaker 42: bit more.

2812
02:19:21,427 --> 02:19:24,187
Speaker 41: And yeah, maybe you would have liked to been able

2813
02:19:24,267 --> 02:19:27,587
Speaker 41: to do a good session, but there is a way

2814
02:19:27,627 --> 02:19:30,547
Speaker 41: to fix it, right, You've just got to not be

2815
02:19:30,827 --> 02:19:31,787
Speaker 41: silly and put your head in.

2816
02:19:31,787 --> 02:19:33,467
Speaker 42: The sand and keep pushing. You've got to listen to

2817
02:19:33,507 --> 02:19:34,787
Speaker 42: your body and take a bit of a break.

2818
02:19:34,947 --> 02:19:37,667
Speaker 2: But yeah, so mean, you've been really open about your

2819
02:19:37,907 --> 02:19:40,787
Speaker 2: eating disorder and its effect on your performances, and you

2820
02:19:40,867 --> 02:19:43,627
Speaker 2: talked about sustainability at the start of our chat, and

2821
02:19:44,027 --> 02:19:46,147
Speaker 2: I've heard you talk about wanting to perform over a

2822
02:19:46,187 --> 02:19:49,747
Speaker 2: sustained period and being able to do that. Can you

2823
02:19:49,787 --> 02:19:52,107
Speaker 2: tell us about the support you've received and the strategies

2824
02:19:52,147 --> 02:19:53,667
Speaker 2: you've employed to do that.

2825
02:19:55,067 --> 02:19:55,267
Speaker 27: Yeah.

2826
02:19:55,307 --> 02:19:57,587
Speaker 42: Sure, I work with the NZET Eating Disorder CONNICS.

2827
02:19:57,627 --> 02:20:01,107
Speaker 41: So there's doctor Roge, and then I have a nutritionist,

2828
02:20:01,227 --> 02:20:06,267
Speaker 41: a new nutritionist actually at the moment, and a psychologist Hink,

2829
02:20:06,707 --> 02:20:11,067
Speaker 41: and I work with Hink probably every two weeks. Oh no, yeah,

2830
02:20:11,107 --> 02:20:14,147
Speaker 41: every two weeks at the moment just kind of chickens.

2831
02:20:14,467 --> 02:20:19,667
Speaker 41: It's really hard to do full anorexia therapy while I'm overseas.

2832
02:20:19,827 --> 02:20:22,587
Speaker 41: But we have been employing some basic like I said,

2833
02:20:22,627 --> 02:20:27,267
Speaker 41: some basic journaling, doing lots of like mindfulness and stuff

2834
02:20:27,307 --> 02:20:29,107
Speaker 41: has been really helpful with my emotions.

2835
02:20:29,227 --> 02:20:32,747
Speaker 42: But yeah, a big important part of me.

2836
02:20:32,907 --> 02:20:35,547
Speaker 41: Is just monitoring my health at the moment, Like you say,

2837
02:20:35,627 --> 02:20:39,707
Speaker 41: sustainability is super important. And actually coming up here to altitude,

2838
02:20:39,747 --> 02:20:42,227
Speaker 41: it's been quite interesting and challenging.

2839
02:20:43,347 --> 02:20:43,587
Speaker 20: Kind of.

2840
02:20:43,667 --> 02:20:46,787
Speaker 41: I guess some of those aspects, like you have to

2841
02:20:46,907 --> 02:20:48,827
Speaker 41: take it a bit easier on those first few days

2842
02:20:48,867 --> 02:20:51,707
Speaker 41: because your body's working harder, and that's shown kind of

2843
02:20:51,747 --> 02:20:55,347
Speaker 41: how my eating disorder would use sports as a way.

2844
02:20:55,187 --> 02:20:56,627
Speaker 42: To earn food or something like that.

2845
02:20:56,747 --> 02:20:59,947
Speaker 41: So coming up here has been super interesting and showing

2846
02:20:59,987 --> 02:21:04,747
Speaker 41: different ways which my eating disorder presents itself. But yeah,

2847
02:21:05,147 --> 02:21:08,787
Speaker 41: I've been seeking therapy for two years now and I

2848
02:21:08,867 --> 02:21:11,147
Speaker 41: think it's the best choice I've made. I honestly don't

2849
02:21:11,187 --> 02:21:14,267
Speaker 41: think I would be where I was right now if

2850
02:21:14,307 --> 02:21:15,587
Speaker 41: I hadn't started therapy.

2851
02:21:16,387 --> 02:21:19,587
Speaker 42: And for sure, it's a long process, but I'm I

2852
02:21:20,067 --> 02:21:21,387
Speaker 42: know it's the right thing to do, do you know

2853
02:21:21,427 --> 02:21:21,787
Speaker 42: what I mean?

2854
02:21:22,907 --> 02:21:26,707
Speaker 2: And does success on the bike necessarily a quite to

2855
02:21:26,787 --> 02:21:31,307
Speaker 2: success off the bike in that regard, No, no way,

2856
02:21:31,387 --> 02:21:31,827
Speaker 2: not at all.

2857
02:21:31,947 --> 02:21:37,947
Speaker 41: No, I've found the last yeah around and Dora and

2858
02:21:37,987 --> 02:21:40,187
Speaker 41: the last few weeks have actually been really tough, like

2859
02:21:40,347 --> 02:21:43,427
Speaker 41: mentally with my eating disorder, and I think it's quite

2860
02:21:43,427 --> 02:21:45,947
Speaker 41: interesting to come to terms with the fact that on

2861
02:21:46,107 --> 02:21:48,707
Speaker 41: the start line and after the races, I can be

2862
02:21:48,867 --> 02:21:53,107
Speaker 41: like super positive, super happy, and then an hour later

2863
02:21:53,187 --> 02:21:55,387
Speaker 41: I'm like in my bedroom freaking out because I have

2864
02:21:55,707 --> 02:21:58,387
Speaker 41: like some sort of food in front of it that's scary.

2865
02:21:58,587 --> 02:22:01,627
Speaker 41: And it's been quite hard like functioning quite a lot

2866
02:22:01,667 --> 02:22:03,987
Speaker 41: of cortisol and stuff like that, right, food something I

2867
02:22:04,027 --> 02:22:06,747
Speaker 41: can't avoid, And I think a.

2868
02:22:06,787 --> 02:22:10,027
Speaker 42: Lot of that do were just the last few years taking.

2869
02:22:09,827 --> 02:22:11,587
Speaker 41: My head out of the sand and accept that there

2870
02:22:11,707 --> 02:22:14,627
Speaker 41: is a problem and that comes with having to do

2871
02:22:14,747 --> 02:22:16,227
Speaker 41: some work to fix the problem.

2872
02:22:17,787 --> 02:22:19,827
Speaker 42: So there's it's been quite challenging.

2873
02:22:19,987 --> 02:22:22,627
Speaker 41: But yeah, just because I'm successful on the bike doesn't

2874
02:22:22,667 --> 02:22:25,227
Speaker 41: always I mean, I'm successful off the.

2875
02:22:25,267 --> 02:22:28,107
Speaker 42: Bike, but the other way around definitely correlates.

2876
02:22:28,147 --> 02:22:30,987
Speaker 41: So if I'm successful off the bike, it's when I'm

2877
02:22:31,147 --> 02:22:32,827
Speaker 41: most successful on the bike, for sure.

2878
02:22:33,387 --> 02:22:37,267
Speaker 2: Incredible insight just to finish Olympic debut last year in Paris.

2879
02:22:37,307 --> 02:22:39,787
Speaker 2: Of course, I know this is a long term, but

2880
02:22:39,827 --> 02:22:41,827
Speaker 2: do you have your eyes on LA twenty twenty eight

2881
02:22:41,947 --> 02:22:43,387
Speaker 2: or no, oh yeah, man.

2882
02:22:43,707 --> 02:22:48,467
Speaker 41: Yeah, every the cycling world basically it's quite interesting. It

2883
02:22:48,507 --> 02:22:50,387
Speaker 41: doesn't seem like it from the outside, I guess, but

2884
02:22:50,467 --> 02:22:54,067
Speaker 41: the cycling world revolves around four year Olympic cycles, so

2885
02:22:54,267 --> 02:22:56,907
Speaker 41: you know, you'll have lots of people signing teams until

2886
02:22:56,947 --> 02:23:00,147
Speaker 41: the next Olympic cycle, or sponsors will signed until the

2887
02:23:00,227 --> 02:23:01,227
Speaker 41: next Olympic cycle.

2888
02:23:02,067 --> 02:23:04,267
Speaker 42: So like, the reason we're up here at altitude this

2889
02:23:04,427 --> 02:23:08,307
Speaker 42: year is because we're doing, like I saying, all the

2890
02:23:08,387 --> 02:23:10,907
Speaker 42: medical tests so we can really accurately see how our

2891
02:23:10,947 --> 02:23:14,347
Speaker 42: body adapts to altitude, so we know how to employ

2892
02:23:14,427 --> 02:23:16,827
Speaker 42: it when it comes to twenty twenty eight. We give

2893
02:23:16,907 --> 02:23:19,267
Speaker 42: ourselves all the data this year, we try with it

2894
02:23:19,387 --> 02:23:21,667
Speaker 42: next year, and then we nail it in twenty twenty eight.

2895
02:23:22,787 --> 02:23:25,427
Speaker 41: And there's lots of things planned for this year and

2896
02:23:25,547 --> 02:23:28,747
Speaker 41: next year that are all dedicated to being the best,

2897
02:23:28,747 --> 02:23:31,667
Speaker 41: strongest Sammy when it comes to twenty twenty eight for sure.

2898
02:23:31,947 --> 02:23:32,907
Speaker 14: Yeah, amazing.

2899
02:23:33,067 --> 02:23:35,547
Speaker 2: Well, it's been a great twenty twenty five for you,

2900
02:23:35,707 --> 02:23:38,267
Speaker 2: so far more to come, I'm sure, and then onwards

2901
02:23:38,707 --> 02:23:40,387
Speaker 2: throughout the rest of the cycle, Sammy, it's been such

2902
02:23:40,387 --> 02:23:42,187
Speaker 2: a delight to chat. Yeah, thanks for being so generous

2903
02:23:42,227 --> 02:23:44,747
Speaker 2: with your time. I really appreciate you taking the taking

2904
02:23:44,827 --> 02:23:48,547
Speaker 2: the call olais thanks mate, Thank you, Sammy, Sammy Maxwell. There,

2905
02:23:49,467 --> 02:23:52,907
Speaker 2: pretty special human being, elite key we mountain biker. She

2906
02:23:53,067 --> 02:23:55,387
Speaker 2: has the lead currently in the UCI World Cup rankings

2907
02:23:55,427 --> 02:23:59,867
Speaker 2: in the cross Country Olympic Women's Elite and always so authentic,

2908
02:24:00,107 --> 02:24:02,627
Speaker 2: always so open, Always such a pleasure to chat to,

2909
02:24:03,147 --> 02:24:07,667
Speaker 2: Sammy Maxwell. Fourteen all at Jerry Collins Stadium. That was

2910
02:24:07,707 --> 02:24:11,587
Speaker 2: fourteen nil to Wellington when last I updated, jubid Otago

2911
02:24:11,947 --> 02:24:14,307
Speaker 2: have bounced back with two converted tries. Twenty four minutes

2912
02:24:14,347 --> 02:24:18,507
Speaker 2: gone out there. Fourteen plays fourteen Wellington v Otago in

2913
02:24:18,587 --> 02:24:21,907
Speaker 2: the Bunnings MPC twenty seven to three. We'll take a break,

2914
02:24:21,947 --> 02:24:24,747
Speaker 2: come back with our coaching guru, Wayne Goldsmith. He's gonna

2915
02:24:24,787 --> 02:24:30,707
Speaker 2: tell us why talent is absolutely overrated among young sports people.

2916
02:24:31,827 --> 02:24:35,307
Speaker 1: Love Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend

2917
02:24:35,427 --> 02:24:39,507
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vyan and GJ. Gunnos, New Zealand's most

2918
02:24:39,507 --> 02:24:40,867
Speaker 1: trusted home builder News.

2919
02:24:40,787 --> 02:24:43,947
Speaker 2: Talks Envy twenty four to three. Mike says, great interview. Geesh,

2920
02:24:43,947 --> 02:24:46,907
Speaker 2: she's good. I'm a fan. Good honor from Peter Jason,

2921
02:24:46,947 --> 02:24:49,627
Speaker 2: where do you find these wonderful people loving Sammy? She's great,

2922
02:24:49,987 --> 02:24:52,627
Speaker 2: and Julie says Piney. Sammy was head girl and ducks

2923
02:24:53,067 --> 02:24:56,707
Speaker 2: at Pohuta College in Topour. We are immensely proud of

2924
02:24:56,787 --> 02:25:00,347
Speaker 2: her and she is a very special human. Thanks for

2925
02:25:00,387 --> 02:25:02,827
Speaker 2: all your feedback. We're joined now by our weekend sport

2926
02:25:02,907 --> 02:25:06,587
Speaker 2: coaching guru, Wayne Goldsmith. Regular listeners to the show will

2927
02:25:06,627 --> 02:25:09,427
Speaker 2: be well aware of Wayne's wisdom. Thanks for joining us

2928
02:25:09,467 --> 02:25:11,907
Speaker 2: as always. Mate, you a new book out, The Talent

2929
02:25:12,187 --> 02:25:15,947
Speaker 2: myth Why talent Isn't Worth? I won't say that word

2930
02:25:16,027 --> 02:25:20,227
Speaker 2: just in case broadcast standards issues arise, but I think

2931
02:25:20,307 --> 02:25:22,307
Speaker 2: you get the gist. Why did you write this one?

2932
02:25:22,387 --> 02:25:22,587
Speaker 7: Mate?

2933
02:25:23,107 --> 02:25:23,307
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2934
02:25:23,387 --> 02:25:28,027
Speaker 20: Gay party, gay everybody there. Look over the years, there's

2935
02:25:28,227 --> 02:25:31,787
Speaker 20: there's two or three threads in my professional if I

2936
02:25:31,867 --> 02:25:35,107
Speaker 20: think it coming up is one is why do we

2937
02:25:35,347 --> 02:25:38,067
Speaker 20: assume that every kid who picks up a rugby ball

2938
02:25:38,827 --> 02:25:42,627
Speaker 20: could be should be, wants to be in the All Blacks?

2939
02:25:42,947 --> 02:25:45,387
Speaker 20: And why do we assume that every kid who jumps

2940
02:25:45,427 --> 02:25:47,947
Speaker 20: into a pearl wants to be Michael Phelps? Why do

2941
02:25:48,027 --> 02:25:51,627
Speaker 20: we why is it that we associate the playing of

2942
02:25:51,787 --> 02:25:53,267
Speaker 20: sport and playing is the.

2943
02:25:54,027 --> 02:25:56,867
Speaker 25: Keyword with ultimate success.

2944
02:25:56,947 --> 02:26:00,467
Speaker 20: It's like saying, if you're going to take hiking, you know,

2945
02:26:00,587 --> 02:26:03,387
Speaker 20: take up bushwalking, Well, none of it's any good unless

2946
02:26:03,427 --> 02:26:04,067
Speaker 20: you've done everest.

2947
02:26:04,707 --> 02:26:08,147
Speaker 25: So that that always confused me.

2948
02:26:08,267 --> 02:26:12,067
Speaker 20: I thought, you know, there's playing sport, enjoying sport, falling

2949
02:26:12,067 --> 02:26:13,867
Speaker 20: in love with sport, and then there's the elite end

2950
02:26:13,867 --> 02:26:14,227
Speaker 20: of sport.

2951
02:26:15,107 --> 02:26:17,627
Speaker 25: They're connected, but not for everybody.

2952
02:26:18,387 --> 02:26:20,827
Speaker 20: The other thing that's really been a thread through my

2953
02:26:20,907 --> 02:26:22,387
Speaker 20: professional life is parenting.

2954
02:26:22,587 --> 02:26:25,907
Speaker 25: Is you know, how do parents help their kids.

2955
02:26:26,387 --> 02:26:30,587
Speaker 20: Not just be successful playing netball or be good at cricket,

2956
02:26:30,667 --> 02:26:34,307
Speaker 20: but you know, how to parents help kids just be

2957
02:26:34,427 --> 02:26:36,707
Speaker 20: great kids? How do they help them with values like

2958
02:26:36,827 --> 02:26:42,027
Speaker 20: respect and hard work and honesty and integrity. And so

2959
02:26:42,267 --> 02:26:44,947
Speaker 20: I'm kicking around these ideas to say, all right, well,

2960
02:26:45,387 --> 02:26:49,387
Speaker 20: sport's bigger than just winning a grand same in tennis.

2961
02:26:50,187 --> 02:26:53,227
Speaker 20: Parents are critical in the equation. What I need to

2962
02:26:53,267 --> 02:26:55,787
Speaker 20: do is write a book that says to parents, look,

2963
02:26:56,107 --> 02:26:59,787
Speaker 20: if your kid's been cut from the elite junior development team,

2964
02:26:59,787 --> 02:27:02,027
Speaker 20: don't worry about it, because it's bigger than that.

2965
02:27:02,307 --> 02:27:03,747
Speaker 25: You're helping your kids be great kids.

2966
02:27:04,747 --> 02:27:08,307
Speaker 20: How do we then eat you help parents deal with

2967
02:27:08,427 --> 02:27:11,347
Speaker 20: critical moments like you know, the car ride home, or

2968
02:27:11,387 --> 02:27:13,987
Speaker 20: how do we help parents do, or with disappoint when

2969
02:27:14,107 --> 02:27:16,787
Speaker 20: kids have been cut from teams. I haven't made the

2970
02:27:16,907 --> 02:27:19,987
Speaker 20: success that they had to. So I said, what I've

2971
02:27:19,987 --> 02:27:21,867
Speaker 20: got to do is show that talent and what we

2972
02:27:21,987 --> 02:27:23,707
Speaker 20: think of talent is there's a myth.

2973
02:27:23,827 --> 02:27:24,507
Speaker 25: It's just a myth.

2974
02:27:24,587 --> 02:27:29,267
Speaker 20: Let's break all this elitism stuff down and just talk

2975
02:27:29,347 --> 02:27:32,587
Speaker 20: about what sport's really about and then how parents and

2976
02:27:32,707 --> 02:27:33,827
Speaker 20: coaches can help kids.

2977
02:27:35,027 --> 02:27:37,707
Speaker 2: As with everything you know, at a you know, in

2978
02:27:37,787 --> 02:27:41,307
Speaker 2: any sport, and particularly at a young age, some kids

2979
02:27:41,587 --> 02:27:42,107
Speaker 2: stand out.

2980
02:27:42,307 --> 02:27:42,947
Speaker 16: They just do.

2981
02:27:43,467 --> 02:27:46,707
Speaker 2: They stand out. But that's different, isn't it from talent

2982
02:27:46,987 --> 02:27:47,587
Speaker 2: in your mind?

2983
02:27:49,147 --> 02:27:50,667
Speaker 25: Well, it really is piney.

2984
02:27:50,707 --> 02:27:53,547
Speaker 20: And look, it's funny when you start talking about this.

2985
02:27:54,347 --> 02:27:57,147
Speaker 20: Everyone's got one of those stories of when I was

2986
02:27:57,227 --> 02:28:01,147
Speaker 20: playing football or when I used to play tennis. Everyone

2987
02:28:01,787 --> 02:28:05,027
Speaker 20: listening to your show, no doubt, has got a current

2988
02:28:05,107 --> 02:28:07,427
Speaker 20: story or an old story where they could say, god,

2989
02:28:08,027 --> 02:28:10,707
Speaker 20: you know, man, when I was at school and I

2990
02:28:10,827 --> 02:28:14,187
Speaker 20: was playing under twelves netball, there was a girl on

2991
02:28:14,267 --> 02:28:14,707
Speaker 20: our team.

2992
02:28:14,787 --> 02:28:16,387
Speaker 25: It was two point nine meters.

2993
02:28:16,427 --> 02:28:19,547
Speaker 20: Thought, well, let's exaggerate, but there was there was a

2994
02:28:19,627 --> 02:28:20,667
Speaker 20: player in our team.

2995
02:28:21,547 --> 02:28:23,947
Speaker 25: She could score from anywhere.

2996
02:28:24,107 --> 02:28:28,587
Speaker 20: She was twice the size, twice as big, just was

2997
02:28:28,667 --> 02:28:32,107
Speaker 20: a dominant player. Everyone's got a story like that, but

2998
02:28:32,267 --> 02:28:35,507
Speaker 20: you know everyone's also got the follow up story, which was,

2999
02:28:35,987 --> 02:28:40,427
Speaker 20: you know what happened to her? She never played after

3000
02:28:40,507 --> 02:28:44,307
Speaker 20: she was fifteen, you know, And everyone's got I even

3001
02:28:44,387 --> 02:28:46,507
Speaker 20: I and you know where one hundred years old according

3002
02:28:46,507 --> 02:28:49,467
Speaker 20: to the kids. But I grew up in Sydney playing

3003
02:28:49,587 --> 02:28:51,867
Speaker 20: rugby league. Had great dreams of playing for the Kennery

3004
02:28:51,907 --> 02:28:55,107
Speaker 20: Banks Down Bulldogs. My problem was I wasn't good enough,

3005
02:28:55,227 --> 02:28:58,347
Speaker 20: wasn't fast enough, wasn't strong enough, and had no talent.

3006
02:28:58,427 --> 02:29:02,307
Speaker 20: But we had a guy in our team in the

3007
02:29:02,427 --> 02:29:07,427
Speaker 20: SG ball. His name was Les Sutton and under fifteen

3008
02:29:07,547 --> 02:29:13,027
Speaker 20: level kid he scored one hundred tries in a season.

3009
02:29:13,587 --> 02:29:16,307
Speaker 20: When this kid was big and strong, talk about a

3010
02:29:16,387 --> 02:29:20,467
Speaker 20: man boy. He was incredible. But he wasn't playing at

3011
02:29:20,547 --> 02:29:24,747
Speaker 20: sixteen because when it really came down to the things

3012
02:29:24,787 --> 02:29:29,787
Speaker 20: that matter, hard work, working with other people, being respectful,

3013
02:29:29,947 --> 02:29:34,387
Speaker 20: being coachable, being consistent with his training, all those things,

3014
02:29:34,787 --> 02:29:37,267
Speaker 20: he didn't have any of those things. All he had

3015
02:29:38,067 --> 02:29:40,547
Speaker 20: was being bigger, stronger and faster than everyone else.

3016
02:29:40,747 --> 02:29:43,627
Speaker 25: What they said was he was talented. The rest of

3017
02:29:43,707 --> 02:29:45,147
Speaker 25: us weren't, and so.

3018
02:29:45,547 --> 02:29:50,707
Speaker 20: All the focus became on this guy and optimizing the physical.

3019
02:29:50,307 --> 02:29:51,307
Speaker 25: Elements of his talent.

3020
02:29:51,707 --> 02:29:53,827
Speaker 20: And even in the first chapter I used the term

3021
02:29:53,907 --> 02:29:56,507
Speaker 20: and you and I talked about this before. We've got

3022
02:29:56,627 --> 02:29:59,267
Speaker 20: to stop worshiping physical talent.

3023
02:29:59,867 --> 02:30:01,267
Speaker 25: It is overrated.

3024
02:30:01,787 --> 02:30:07,387
Speaker 20: Worshiping size, strength, speed, precocious, talented young age is such

3025
02:30:07,947 --> 02:30:11,347
Speaker 20: a misleading, misguiding way to look at sport.

3026
02:30:12,227 --> 02:30:16,987
Speaker 2: So then, are there qualities that predict athletics succeeds better

3027
02:30:17,587 --> 02:30:18,907
Speaker 2: than physical attributes?

3028
02:30:20,787 --> 02:30:20,947
Speaker 17: Well?

3029
02:30:21,027 --> 02:30:23,307
Speaker 25: I think they are. But this is the and this

3030
02:30:23,507 --> 02:30:25,027
Speaker 25: is the conundrum that we've got.

3031
02:30:25,747 --> 02:30:30,787
Speaker 20: If I get two hundred under twelve rugby players lined

3032
02:30:30,867 --> 02:30:35,187
Speaker 20: up in Welly tomorrow morning, and someone says, find me

3033
02:30:35,307 --> 02:30:38,547
Speaker 20: the most talented kids, the easiest thing to do is

3034
02:30:39,387 --> 02:30:42,947
Speaker 20: show me how many pushups you can physical quality, Show

3035
02:30:43,027 --> 02:30:48,387
Speaker 20: me how fast you can run forty meters acceleration physical quality.

3036
02:30:48,827 --> 02:30:50,547
Speaker 20: All right, we're going to do a how far can

3037
02:30:50,587 --> 02:30:53,707
Speaker 20: you run in five minutes test? Physical quality. We're going

3038
02:30:53,787 --> 02:30:57,227
Speaker 20: to do how high can you jump? Or how long

3039
02:30:57,347 --> 02:31:01,107
Speaker 20: can you jump? Physical quality? We rely on those things

3040
02:31:01,187 --> 02:31:06,147
Speaker 20: when we're doing talent I detalent identification programs because they're

3041
02:31:06,547 --> 02:31:09,587
Speaker 20: largely objective. I can get kids to do a shuttle run,

3042
02:31:09,787 --> 02:31:12,787
Speaker 20: so you scored six, you scored nine, Therefore you're better

3043
02:31:12,827 --> 02:31:16,107
Speaker 20: at shuttle runs. You go high VO two max, whatever

3044
02:31:16,147 --> 02:31:21,227
Speaker 20: it might be their objective measures. If I start saying,

3045
02:31:21,267 --> 02:31:24,747
Speaker 20: you know what, I'm looking for the kid who, when

3046
02:31:24,787 --> 02:31:28,307
Speaker 20: they're finished their shuttle run, turns around in cheers on

3047
02:31:28,387 --> 02:31:32,547
Speaker 20: everyone else because it shows selflessness, it shows team behavior,

3048
02:31:33,027 --> 02:31:35,547
Speaker 20: it shows that they care about their teammates and they

3049
02:31:35,587 --> 02:31:38,187
Speaker 20: really love what they're doing. I'm looking for the kids

3050
02:31:38,227 --> 02:31:41,707
Speaker 20: who've got who turn up early and do some warm

3051
02:31:41,827 --> 02:31:45,547
Speaker 20: up and stretching and prepare themselves because that shows commitment, dedication,

3052
02:31:46,627 --> 02:31:50,867
Speaker 20: that they love what they're doing. Those things are largely subjective,

3053
02:31:51,467 --> 02:31:54,587
Speaker 20: and that's the whole issue that we have and why

3054
02:31:54,707 --> 02:31:57,587
Speaker 20: this is such a battle for all of us in sport,

3055
02:31:58,307 --> 02:32:02,347
Speaker 20: is that it's hard to argue with data. And even

3056
02:32:02,467 --> 02:32:05,147
Speaker 20: though I can say to a parent, look, your kid's

3057
02:32:05,307 --> 02:32:09,147
Speaker 20: brilliant at ten. However, no matter what the data says,

3058
02:32:09,987 --> 02:32:12,827
Speaker 20: my experience, my background.

3059
02:32:12,307 --> 02:32:16,387
Speaker 25: Everything I know says that unless you build these.

3060
02:32:16,307 --> 02:32:19,467
Speaker 20: Other qualities, these characteristics, and teach them what I call

3061
02:32:19,507 --> 02:32:22,987
Speaker 20: the championship choices, Unless you teach those things, No matter

3062
02:32:23,067 --> 02:32:24,827
Speaker 20: what the data says, they're just not going to be

3063
02:32:24,947 --> 02:32:29,747
Speaker 20: there fourteen, fifteen, sixteen and certainly not seenior athletes. So

3064
02:32:29,907 --> 02:32:35,467
Speaker 20: an answer to your question, the data says this. What

3065
02:32:35,587 --> 02:32:38,827
Speaker 20: I'm measuring is almost the immeasurable things, the difficult to

3066
02:32:38,947 --> 02:32:42,467
Speaker 20: quantify things, the behaviors and attitude things.

3067
02:32:42,907 --> 02:32:44,667
Speaker 25: But it was It's interesting. I just got off the

3068
02:32:44,747 --> 02:32:46,787
Speaker 25: phone to Verne Gambana.

3069
02:32:47,147 --> 02:32:49,267
Speaker 20: Really, if you're in sport, if you're in track and field,

3070
02:32:49,267 --> 02:32:50,507
Speaker 20: particularly or swimming.

3071
02:32:50,627 --> 02:32:51,867
Speaker 25: Vern's are a legend.

3072
02:32:52,067 --> 02:32:55,587
Speaker 20: He's a genuine global legend United States, and he's just

3073
02:32:55,747 --> 02:33:01,347
Speaker 20: been working with Summer Macintosh, who has just broken multiple

3074
02:33:01,387 --> 02:33:05,227
Speaker 20: world records, won world championship gold medals in the sport

3075
02:33:05,267 --> 02:33:07,907
Speaker 20: of swimming. She said, Canadian girl and Vernon and Ida,

3076
02:33:07,987 --> 02:33:10,467
Speaker 20: we're just talking as two old guys do. And I've said,

3077
02:33:10,507 --> 02:33:13,467
Speaker 20: what are the defining qualities of Summer?

3078
02:33:13,907 --> 02:33:15,107
Speaker 25: And he said, you know what.

3079
02:33:15,387 --> 02:33:18,267
Speaker 20: She would get up an hour early before training to

3080
02:33:18,387 --> 02:33:20,507
Speaker 20: make sure she had a good breakfast, say she was ready.

3081
02:33:20,787 --> 02:33:23,547
Speaker 20: And his words were, how many sixteen year olds are

3082
02:33:23,587 --> 02:33:26,187
Speaker 20: doing that way? That's the sort of thing we're talking about.

3083
02:33:26,227 --> 02:33:30,827
Speaker 25: Piney is that? Yeah, Sure, she's obviously got great physical.

3084
02:33:30,467 --> 02:33:33,667
Speaker 20: Talent because she's won at the highest level, broke world records,

3085
02:33:33,947 --> 02:33:37,187
Speaker 20: all that stuff. But immediately vern who's one of the

3086
02:33:37,227 --> 02:33:40,907
Speaker 20: people that I really listened to, he said, But it's

3087
02:33:40,947 --> 02:33:45,347
Speaker 20: who she is. It's her commitment, it's her passion, it's

3088
02:33:45,387 --> 02:33:51,387
Speaker 20: her resilience, those things that have taken her talent from

3089
02:33:51,587 --> 02:33:56,827
Speaker 20: just raw physical abilities and turn them into highly successful outcomes.

3090
02:33:57,587 --> 02:33:59,907
Speaker 20: And the aim of the book is to say that

3091
02:34:00,027 --> 02:34:04,947
Speaker 20: the parents look having Talent's great if it's measurable, and yeah, great,

3092
02:34:04,947 --> 02:34:05,347
Speaker 20: I love that.

3093
02:34:06,347 --> 02:34:07,867
Speaker 25: But if you really want to help.

3094
02:34:07,747 --> 02:34:11,987
Speaker 20: Your kids, show them how to make difficult choices, teach

3095
02:34:12,067 --> 02:34:17,067
Speaker 20: them the importance of respect and being honest and working hard.

3096
02:34:17,507 --> 02:34:20,987
Speaker 20: Teach you know, if you're a coach, teach things like inquisitiveness,

3097
02:34:21,067 --> 02:34:23,987
Speaker 20: so that kids go from just doing what they're told

3098
02:34:24,147 --> 02:34:26,587
Speaker 20: to do, the kids going I wonder, what would happen

3099
02:34:27,307 --> 02:34:29,307
Speaker 20: if I threw the ball to the left instead of right.

3100
02:34:29,867 --> 02:34:32,427
Speaker 25: What would happen if I did that a bit faster?

3101
02:34:32,987 --> 02:34:37,587
Speaker 20: Where you're teaching kids to be engaged and really invested

3102
02:34:37,627 --> 02:34:41,707
Speaker 20: in their own destiny. They're the things that matter, but

3103
02:34:42,227 --> 02:34:44,747
Speaker 20: they're hard to see sometimes, pinety, they're hard to quantify,

3104
02:34:45,307 --> 02:34:48,747
Speaker 20: And it's this data versus non data world that we're trying.

3105
02:34:48,587 --> 02:34:49,267
Speaker 25: To marry together.

3106
02:34:50,307 --> 02:34:52,467
Speaker 2: It's you're right, Wayne, It's something you and I could

3107
02:34:52,467 --> 02:34:54,507
Speaker 2: talk about for hours and hours and have in the past.

3108
02:34:54,587 --> 02:34:58,387
Speaker 2: This worshiping of physical talent in youngsters. Unfortunately, it does

3109
02:34:58,467 --> 02:35:02,987
Speaker 2: still occur, and kids are left out of certain teams

3110
02:35:03,387 --> 02:35:05,027
Speaker 2: or not make the one that they want to make

3111
02:35:05,147 --> 02:35:09,867
Speaker 2: because they're told they're supposedly untalented, don't have what it takes.

3112
02:35:10,227 --> 02:35:12,587
Speaker 2: That sort of thing. How do you how do you

3113
02:35:12,747 --> 02:35:16,187
Speaker 2: boost your children? We've got thousands of parents listening. How

3114
02:35:16,227 --> 02:35:18,067
Speaker 2: do you boost your children back up? What do you

3115
02:35:18,067 --> 02:35:19,547
Speaker 2: say to them when they say, I don't want to

3116
02:35:19,547 --> 02:35:20,067
Speaker 2: play anymore?

3117
02:35:21,947 --> 02:35:22,547
Speaker 25: Yeah, that's good.

3118
02:35:22,587 --> 02:35:24,027
Speaker 20: And I've got a section in the back of the

3119
02:35:24,027 --> 02:35:26,787
Speaker 20: book where I say to take parents through the difficult

3120
02:35:26,867 --> 02:35:31,027
Speaker 20: conversations that they're likely that, well, they're really the difficult

3121
02:35:31,107 --> 02:35:35,067
Speaker 20: situations where they're going to have to have conversations or

3122
02:35:35,627 --> 02:35:39,867
Speaker 20: not conversations, sometimes saying nothing's just as powerful, where they're

3123
02:35:39,907 --> 02:35:41,667
Speaker 20: going to run into those moments.

3124
02:35:41,347 --> 02:35:44,747
Speaker 25: Where you know, the kids got pictures of silver ferns

3125
02:35:44,787 --> 02:35:47,667
Speaker 25: all over their wall. They're everything.

3126
02:35:47,787 --> 02:35:50,827
Speaker 20: Silver ferns have got autographs from players because they've attended

3127
02:35:50,867 --> 02:35:54,747
Speaker 20: test matches and that's all they think about. And they're

3128
02:35:54,787 --> 02:35:56,867
Speaker 20: ten years of age and they've been cut from the

3129
02:35:56,947 --> 02:36:01,427
Speaker 20: local under eleven rep team and then and they're devastated.

3130
02:36:01,507 --> 02:36:04,027
Speaker 25: You know, they're for them, it's the end of the world.

3131
02:36:04,147 --> 02:36:05,867
Speaker 25: It's it's and it's it's.

3132
02:36:06,107 --> 02:36:11,187
Speaker 20: They're feeling such powerful emotions of frustration, disappointment, anger, maybe

3133
02:36:11,387 --> 02:36:14,027
Speaker 20: anger at themselves or anger at the coach you didn't

3134
02:36:14,067 --> 02:36:15,667
Speaker 20: select them, and all that's going on.

3135
02:36:15,707 --> 02:36:17,867
Speaker 25: Their mom and dadd are going, God, I love this child.

3136
02:36:17,947 --> 02:36:21,107
Speaker 25: I want to help them. What do I say at

3137
02:36:21,187 --> 02:36:22,547
Speaker 25: this moment in time.

3138
02:36:22,987 --> 02:36:24,907
Speaker 20: That's that's got some sort of value other than some

3139
02:36:25,107 --> 02:36:28,027
Speaker 20: sort of glib off en comment like I'd say, kay, darling,

3140
02:36:28,067 --> 02:36:28,907
Speaker 20: it doesn't really matter.

3141
02:36:29,147 --> 02:36:32,027
Speaker 25: Well, of course it matters. It really matters to them

3142
02:36:32,107 --> 02:36:32,707
Speaker 25: at that moment.

3143
02:36:32,747 --> 02:36:36,827
Speaker 20: And that's when your solid gold parenting has got to

3144
02:36:36,867 --> 02:36:38,467
Speaker 20: come out of the box and come, what do I

3145
02:36:38,667 --> 02:36:42,107
Speaker 20: say to my child who's been cut or has missed out,

3146
02:36:42,387 --> 02:36:45,427
Speaker 20: or in their view, has failed at that moment of

3147
02:36:45,507 --> 02:36:48,907
Speaker 20: time when I'm hurting as much as they are, and

3148
02:36:49,067 --> 02:36:52,667
Speaker 20: I can't show them that I've hurting. So the first

3149
02:36:52,667 --> 02:36:55,707
Speaker 20: advice I give to parents is, first of all, allow

3150
02:36:55,867 --> 02:37:00,427
Speaker 20: them to feel. Don't be tempted to jump in and

3151
02:37:00,587 --> 02:37:03,147
Speaker 20: see the anger and hurt and say stop.

3152
02:37:02,947 --> 02:37:06,227
Speaker 25: It, don't feel just move on. Because we're human.

3153
02:37:06,067 --> 02:37:09,907
Speaker 20: Being, We've got to allow ourselves to experience to a degree,

3154
02:37:10,067 --> 02:37:12,667
Speaker 20: We've got to allow ourselves to experience whatever that moment.

3155
02:37:13,427 --> 02:37:15,427
Speaker 20: But then for the child to go. You know what,

3156
02:37:15,627 --> 02:37:18,507
Speaker 20: it doesn't matter if I got selected or not, or

3157
02:37:18,507 --> 02:37:21,947
Speaker 20: I got cut or or not. My mum, my dad,

3158
02:37:22,347 --> 02:37:25,707
Speaker 20: my brothers, my sisters, my nan you know what, they

3159
02:37:25,907 --> 02:37:27,347
Speaker 20: love me no matter what.

3160
02:37:27,587 --> 02:37:32,067
Speaker 25: They're always there. I've just failed to achieve something that's

3161
02:37:32,107 --> 02:37:34,867
Speaker 25: important to me, but it doesn't matter to them. They

3162
02:37:34,987 --> 02:37:35,307
Speaker 25: love me.

3163
02:37:36,027 --> 02:37:39,147
Speaker 20: They show kindness, they show respect, they listen to me.

3164
02:37:39,827 --> 02:37:42,747
Speaker 20: They're there for me no matter what happens. That's the

3165
02:37:42,867 --> 02:37:45,507
Speaker 20: most powerful thing you can do as a parent, because

3166
02:37:45,507 --> 02:37:48,907
Speaker 20: I think what parents do, Poney, in that moment they

3167
02:37:48,987 --> 02:37:52,227
Speaker 20: want to call over parent, is they start to play

3168
02:37:52,307 --> 02:37:58,427
Speaker 20: the role of coach. Psychologists, psychiatrists, counsel are everything they

3169
02:37:58,507 --> 02:38:00,947
Speaker 20: wanted to trying to remove the pain and the hurt

3170
02:38:01,267 --> 02:38:04,987
Speaker 20: the child's fairly in that moment in time. What I know,

3171
02:38:05,587 --> 02:38:08,507
Speaker 20: working with a lot of psychologists on my team, is

3172
02:38:09,107 --> 02:38:12,747
Speaker 20: allow them to feel and to just go through a

3173
02:38:12,867 --> 02:38:16,187
Speaker 20: period of feeling anger and frustration, but then to look

3174
02:38:16,227 --> 02:38:18,347
Speaker 20: at you and go go. My mum and dad are

3175
02:38:18,387 --> 02:38:22,667
Speaker 20: brothers and sisters. M Nan magranted, my coach. They stand

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Speaker 20: by me no matter what happens. What I get from

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Speaker 20: them is consistency. I get from them support, unconditional love

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02:38:30,707 --> 02:38:33,147
Speaker 20: that then gives them the courage and base and the

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02:38:33,187 --> 02:38:36,707
Speaker 20: strength to go, Yeah, okay, I'll get up and go again,

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02:38:36,827 --> 02:38:38,147
Speaker 20: because that's in.

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02:38:38,187 --> 02:38:39,227
Speaker 25: The end, that's what we want.

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02:38:39,707 --> 02:38:41,987
Speaker 20: We don't want them to go through life trying to

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02:38:42,147 --> 02:38:46,747
Speaker 20: avoid all experiences of trying something and failing, because it's

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02:38:46,747 --> 02:38:48,347
Speaker 20: going to happen to all of us. It's happened a bit,

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02:38:50,827 --> 02:38:53,867
Speaker 20: but we want them to go. You know what, if

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02:38:53,947 --> 02:38:55,987
Speaker 20: I fail, I get up and go again because the

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02:38:56,187 --> 02:38:59,347
Speaker 20: people who matter in my life are always there for

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02:38:59,547 --> 02:39:04,707
Speaker 20: me and for the parents listening that that moment, that's

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Speaker 20: really what parenting is about. Is your child is hurting,

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02:39:08,987 --> 02:39:11,947
Speaker 20: is struggling and going but look at those two people,

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02:39:12,067 --> 02:39:16,267
Speaker 20: that person standing there, they just love me no matter

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02:39:16,347 --> 02:39:19,107
Speaker 20: what I'm going to do it again. If I fail again,

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02:39:19,667 --> 02:39:21,947
Speaker 20: the things that matter to me are really still there.

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02:39:22,507 --> 02:39:24,667
Speaker 25: If you can do that as a parent, You've done

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Speaker 25: an amazing job.

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02:39:26,587 --> 02:39:29,827
Speaker 2: Just a snapshot of the incredible advice that you'll find

3197
02:39:30,027 --> 02:39:33,867
Speaker 2: in Wayne Goldsmith's latest book, The Talent Myth Why Talent

3198
02:39:34,067 --> 02:39:36,347
Speaker 2: Isn't Worth? And I think you can complete the title.

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Speaker 2: It's available on Amazon dot com right now. Wayne, thanks

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02:39:39,267 --> 02:39:41,067
Speaker 2: so much for joining us and giving us the benefit

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02:39:41,107 --> 02:39:43,467
Speaker 2: of your expertise. As always, congrats on this book, mate.

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02:39:43,507 --> 02:39:45,027
Speaker 2: We'll catch up again soon.

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02:39:45,307 --> 02:39:47,667
Speaker 20: Well, if there's anyone in this industry that's telling it

3204
02:39:47,747 --> 02:39:50,627
Speaker 20: at you, Piney, we both know that you know I

3205
02:39:50,667 --> 02:39:53,587
Speaker 20: should write a book one day called The Talent Unmith

3206
02:39:53,827 --> 02:39:55,267
Speaker 20: the Jason Pines Story.

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02:39:56,627 --> 02:39:59,547
Speaker 2: I'm not sure you'd sell many, but it's always it's

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02:39:59,587 --> 02:40:00,827
Speaker 2: always good to get up.

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Speaker 25: My friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much, No, thank you, Wayne.

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Speaker 2: Wayne Goldsmith there joining us in a semi regular, in

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02:40:08,107 --> 02:40:10,987
Speaker 2: fact pretty regular fashion a year on Weekend Sport eight

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Speaker 2: to three News Talks.

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02:40:11,787 --> 02:40:15,947
Speaker 1: EPYK analyzing every view from every angle in the sporting

3215
02:40:16,067 --> 02:40:19,187
Speaker 1: world to Weekend Sport with Jason Pie they call O

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and eighty and eighty News.

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02:40:21,027 --> 02:40:24,307
Speaker 2: Talks ENVY five to three and that is the final

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02:40:24,307 --> 02:40:27,387
Speaker 2: whilstil pretty much on Weekend Sport for today and for

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02:40:27,427 --> 02:40:29,507
Speaker 2: the weekend. It's been great having the extra hour at

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02:40:29,507 --> 02:40:31,907
Speaker 2: the front of the show. We should say if we

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02:40:31,907 --> 02:40:33,987
Speaker 2: can make that a permanent thing. I'm not sure Francesca

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02:40:34,067 --> 02:40:36,027
Speaker 2: Rudgan would be a great fan of it. The listeners

3223
02:40:36,067 --> 02:40:38,467
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't either. Maybe we go back to three hours

3224
02:40:38,547 --> 02:40:40,827
Speaker 2: next week. We're four hours on Sunday again with the

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02:40:40,907 --> 02:40:43,427
Speaker 2: second Test. Anyway, I digress. Thank you for listening in

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Speaker 2: to beverage on the radio after three o'clock with the

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Speaker 2: Weekend Collective. Massive thanks to Anny McDonald four all the

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02:40:49,667 --> 02:40:51,587
Speaker 2: heavy lifting over the last couple of days. Thanks mate,

3229
02:40:51,667 --> 02:40:54,707
Speaker 2: joy a couple of hours of rest and recreation this afternoon.

3230
02:40:54,747 --> 02:40:57,947
Speaker 2: We're back on Sports Talk tomorrow night, of course, and

3231
02:40:58,067 --> 02:41:00,827
Speaker 2: back on Weekend Sport next week. Exit song today, Well

3232
02:41:00,827 --> 02:41:03,227
Speaker 2: it had to be an Australian song really, given what

3233
02:41:03,347 --> 02:41:07,187
Speaker 2: the Wallabies managed to all us part and Joe Burgh

3234
02:41:07,427 --> 02:41:09,267
Speaker 2: nearly as of this morning, so I've just gone with

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02:41:09,747 --> 02:41:12,747
Speaker 2: Hoodo Gurus and their biggest hit out of nineteen eighty seven.

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02:41:13,827 --> 02:41:16,947
Speaker 2: What's my scene taking us out today? We'll see tomorrow

3237
02:41:17,027 --> 02:41:18,067
Speaker 2: night on Sports Talk.

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02:42:05,227 --> 02:42:08,387
Speaker 1: For more from weekends forward with Jason Fine. Listen live

3239
02:42:08,507 --> 02:42:11,787
Speaker 1: to News Talk set B Weekends from midday or follow

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Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio