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Speaker 1: More trouble around costs and fees and as a result inflation,

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Speaker 1: Port of Auckland are upping their fees. As I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you're well aware, freight companies currently charged one hundred and

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Speaker 1: thirty a container. This is at peak times. This is

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Speaker 1: going to rise to three hundred and fifty by twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty seven. Now Donkalisi is the Transporting New Zealand CEO

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Speaker 1: and as well, there's morning to you, morning Mike. So

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Speaker 1: this isn't new, is it. I mean, we're aware of this,

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Speaker 1: we know it's coming. Is this about adjusting times or

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Speaker 1: you know, have the trucks arrive at times that are

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Speaker 1: more convenient to the port.

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Speaker 2: Look, I think that was the intent of container booking feeds, right,

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Speaker 2: But our concern would be in the first instance, that

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Speaker 2: we're not really seeing the product of the gains from

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Speaker 2: these increases, all right, And frankly we'd argue it comes

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Speaker 2: a point in time where you have to think, hey,

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Speaker 2: is this just a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul?

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Speaker 1: So this is again you think this is a gouge

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Speaker 1: from the.

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Speaker 2: Port A pretty much? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So what more importantly, what can you do about it?

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Speaker 1: Because the port's downtown. They've got traffic problems. They're a

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Speaker 1: monopoly to an extent. Yeah, I either deal with them

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Speaker 1: or you don't.

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Speaker 2: But that's the problem. I mean, but becomes an issue

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Speaker 2: of is this purely about a port trying to make

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Speaker 2: money or and at what stage does that start to

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Speaker 2: hurt New Zealand ink now, because these prices have to

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Speaker 2: be passed on and ultimately that shows up as an

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Speaker 2: increased cost of living.

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Speaker 1: And and this is the conundrum because of course we've

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Speaker 1: had the head of the port on before and they go,

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Speaker 1: oh but look look what I can return to the

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Speaker 1: council and the council owners and the council want returns.

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Speaker 1: That's how it works in it done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, And so there's that sort of As

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Speaker 2: I said at the start, we're okay if we're seeing

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Speaker 2: a change in productivity at the port. I think people

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Speaker 2: understand that that's good investment. But that's not happening.

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Speaker 1: Can you change freight even if you wanted to, when

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Speaker 1: they say turn up, you know, two fifteen in the

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Speaker 1: afternoon instead of five o'clock at night, can you do that? Well?

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Speaker 2: Look not not really, And that's been shinned worldwide. I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: port congestion is an issue globally, right and also I

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Speaker 2: mean you look at that those peak times, I mean

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Speaker 2: five am to six pm, that's pretty big peak period.

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Speaker 1: It is, Yeah, it is. But the council want their

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Speaker 1: money and the port want to make a profit, and

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Speaker 1: someone's going to pay for it. So what's your solution

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Speaker 1: other than appealing to their good nature, which you know,

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Speaker 1: at a bottom line basis, they don't have one. So

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Speaker 1: what's the young.

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Speaker 3: I think?

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Speaker 2: And the supplies to supply chains even broader than just containers, right,

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Speaker 2: I'll viue is that a model that looks at an

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Speaker 2: integrated supply chain and ultimately what's good for New Zealand Inc.

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Speaker 2: Is a much better model then a supply chain where

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Speaker 2: each of the actors across that supply chain it's just

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Speaker 2: working for themselves.

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Speaker 1: So you want a minister involved, you're talking about central government.

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Speaker 3: Ah, so I think I think it can be done

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Speaker 3: without central government involvement. You know, there are other supply

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Speaker 3: chains that work, that do work sort of better.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I suppose that's the last resort.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll follow it with interest. I appreciate your time

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Speaker 1: and I wish you the best of luck withither Don Kalisi,

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