1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,547 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,747 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. 3 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:15,987 Speaker 2: SO will tomorrow unveil his first all Black squad of 4 00:00:15,987 --> 00:00:19,507 Speaker 2: the year for test matches against France next month in Dunedin, 5 00:00:19,787 --> 00:00:22,987 Speaker 2: Wellington and Hamilton. The names to be read out at 6 00:00:23,027 --> 00:00:26,107 Speaker 2: midday tomorrow by ends at our board chair David Kirk. 7 00:00:26,147 --> 00:00:29,307 Speaker 2: Who's on the list, who's not and how many new 8 00:00:29,387 --> 00:00:32,387 Speaker 2: faces might we see in the first all Black squad 9 00:00:32,387 --> 00:00:35,987 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five. New Zealand Herald Senior rugby writer 10 00:00:36,107 --> 00:00:38,987 Speaker 2: Liam Napier is with us. Liam, thanks for taking the 11 00:00:39,027 --> 00:00:41,747 Speaker 2: time on your Sunday afternoon. Before we go into positions, 12 00:00:42,347 --> 00:00:46,507 Speaker 2: anyone play their way in or out or reinforce their 13 00:00:46,507 --> 00:00:48,667 Speaker 2: place in the squad in the final last Night. 14 00:00:50,067 --> 00:00:53,867 Speaker 3: Afternoon ponee. I saw you were a part of the 15 00:00:53,947 --> 00:00:57,467 Speaker 3: nineteen combination last night for the commentary, So yeah, I 16 00:00:57,507 --> 00:00:58,907 Speaker 3: was going to give you some stick in. So you 17 00:00:58,947 --> 00:01:00,547 Speaker 3: might be a bit too tall for a half fect, 18 00:01:00,587 --> 00:01:02,667 Speaker 3: maybe more of a lock. 19 00:01:02,547 --> 00:01:07,907 Speaker 2: Or a loose board, a lot gluec utility. I think 20 00:01:07,907 --> 00:01:10,707 Speaker 2: you're right on alongside take who joined us now pregame 21 00:01:10,747 --> 00:01:13,467 Speaker 2: last night year so I towered over him. So yeah, 22 00:01:13,467 --> 00:01:15,827 Speaker 2: I don't think that works as a nineteen But what 23 00:01:15,907 --> 00:01:18,547 Speaker 2: about I was gonna what about Rivers, Rahanna, it's a 24 00:01:18,627 --> 00:01:20,987 Speaker 2: late run, I know, but he was good last night. 25 00:01:21,267 --> 00:01:21,587 Speaker 3: Is he? 26 00:01:22,027 --> 00:01:23,547 Speaker 2: Is he in this conversation now or not? 27 00:01:25,187 --> 00:01:27,867 Speaker 3: I don't think so. But it certainly was a big 28 00:01:27,907 --> 00:01:31,627 Speaker 3: performance in a big time match, wasn't it. And what 29 00:01:31,827 --> 00:01:35,067 Speaker 3: is season that's been for the Rivers coming from effectively 30 00:01:35,107 --> 00:01:37,947 Speaker 3: second maybe even third choice Crusaders Can Maker at the 31 00:01:37,987 --> 00:01:40,947 Speaker 3: start of the year, to growing his game, standing up 32 00:01:40,947 --> 00:01:44,787 Speaker 3: on the big stage, really owning that moment. So great 33 00:01:44,787 --> 00:01:47,827 Speaker 3: for his development. But there were a number of big 34 00:01:47,827 --> 00:01:50,947 Speaker 3: performances across that match. Fletcher Newell was my man of 35 00:01:50,987 --> 00:01:53,827 Speaker 3: the match, played eighty odd minutes well, played the full 36 00:01:53,827 --> 00:01:58,227 Speaker 3: match for a front row with Nick Bully informia any 37 00:01:58,467 --> 00:02:03,267 Speaker 3: mcl knee injury, so that only heightens his efforts. I 38 00:02:03,347 --> 00:02:07,307 Speaker 3: thought some of the Chiefs struggled Weave, particularly in the 39 00:02:07,307 --> 00:02:09,707 Speaker 3: second half. Leroy Cardis struggled to get into the game. 40 00:02:09,707 --> 00:02:12,347 Speaker 3: He's been a big movie this year on the wing 41 00:02:12,427 --> 00:02:15,547 Speaker 3: for the Chiefs. I thought Quinte Pier was really good. 42 00:02:15,667 --> 00:02:19,267 Speaker 3: He's back to career best form. And then others like 43 00:02:19,347 --> 00:02:22,507 Speaker 3: Christian Leo whe has been a big standout for the 44 00:02:22,507 --> 00:02:25,587 Speaker 3: Crusaders this year, so I think the Black Slicker's probably 45 00:02:25,627 --> 00:02:27,627 Speaker 3: had the bulk of that squad locked and going into 46 00:02:27,707 --> 00:02:29,627 Speaker 3: last night, but there might have been one or two 47 00:02:30,147 --> 00:02:33,507 Speaker 3: that's you know, maybe sweet they're thinking, all. 48 00:02:33,507 --> 00:02:35,867 Speaker 2: Right, let's go through some positions. Then we might as 49 00:02:35,867 --> 00:02:37,827 Speaker 2: well start in the front row. They say it all 50 00:02:37,867 --> 00:02:40,067 Speaker 2: starts up front. No offer to all the fussy. Of course, 51 00:02:40,107 --> 00:02:41,667 Speaker 2: he's injured at the moment, and I know they rate 52 00:02:41,707 --> 00:02:43,867 Speaker 2: them highly in the All Black, so there was a 53 00:02:43,907 --> 00:02:46,907 Speaker 2: gap there. I think we can write down to Mighty, Williams, Fletcher, 54 00:02:46,987 --> 00:02:50,667 Speaker 2: nule Ethan de Groot and Tyrrell Lomax. Who else you 55 00:02:50,747 --> 00:02:53,787 Speaker 2: reckon makes the squad in the front row club? 56 00:02:55,227 --> 00:02:57,547 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's right. You need another loose head. So 57 00:02:58,387 --> 00:03:02,187 Speaker 3: you're looking at George bow who's played twenty two tests, 58 00:03:02,227 --> 00:03:06,147 Speaker 3: been there, done that, and he's been excellent for the Crusaders, 59 00:03:06,587 --> 00:03:09,627 Speaker 3: played the full match against the Blues when to Mighty 60 00:03:09,667 --> 00:03:12,747 Speaker 3: didn't play, and then Cape one again last night when 61 00:03:12,747 --> 00:03:17,467 Speaker 3: the Crusaders scrum dominated the Chief So I think he's 62 00:03:17,507 --> 00:03:19,787 Speaker 3: probably the front runner. But if they want to bit 63 00:03:19,827 --> 00:03:22,267 Speaker 3: of a peek into the future, and maybe a bit 64 00:03:22,307 --> 00:03:25,307 Speaker 3: more youth. They could look at someone like Olie Norris 65 00:03:25,747 --> 00:03:29,227 Speaker 3: or Josh for the tour. So those two have really 66 00:03:29,267 --> 00:03:34,387 Speaker 3: stood up in the loose sair position to share both young, mobile, dynamic, 67 00:03:34,467 --> 00:03:37,107 Speaker 3: the sort of props they're all court modern day props 68 00:03:37,107 --> 00:03:40,347 Speaker 3: who can do it all, you know, carry clean tackle 69 00:03:40,507 --> 00:03:43,707 Speaker 3: as well as do their core skills. So if looking 70 00:03:43,707 --> 00:03:47,587 Speaker 3: for experience, they'll go George Bauer. But if you're looking 71 00:03:47,627 --> 00:03:49,507 Speaker 3: for a rookie, yeah, I think it'd be Norris or 72 00:03:49,507 --> 00:03:50,067 Speaker 3: for the tour. 73 00:03:50,507 --> 00:03:52,387 Speaker 2: Do you think Pussily or Toss he'll be back? He 74 00:03:52,427 --> 00:03:54,987 Speaker 2: had a start in six games off the bench last year. 75 00:03:55,787 --> 00:03:57,147 Speaker 2: Will he be in the team do you think? 76 00:03:58,147 --> 00:04:01,747 Speaker 3: I think certainly. He is a real modern day Bolt. 77 00:04:02,147 --> 00:04:03,987 Speaker 3: They don't see too many of those these days, do he? 78 00:04:04,067 --> 00:04:06,107 Speaker 3: But I think they would have invested a lot in 79 00:04:06,147 --> 00:04:10,227 Speaker 3: how last year, and they like his mobility. At a 80 00:04:10,307 --> 00:04:12,587 Speaker 3: former number eight, he brings a lot and he was 81 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:14,907 Speaker 3: actually really good off the Denchally all Black last year. 82 00:04:15,467 --> 00:04:17,787 Speaker 3: Hasn't really kept on for the Hurricanes, but I think 83 00:04:17,827 --> 00:04:19,667 Speaker 3: we'll see him in the squad all right. 84 00:04:19,667 --> 00:04:23,107 Speaker 2: Hookers Cody Taylor clearly, who I thought was just exceptional 85 00:04:23,187 --> 00:04:26,627 Speaker 2: again last night as try his tri saving tackle on 86 00:04:26,667 --> 00:04:28,787 Speaker 2: two Paul V and everything else he does around the field. 87 00:04:28,827 --> 00:04:31,707 Speaker 2: He'll be there summer. Sauny Tokiaho presumably as well, and 88 00:04:31,747 --> 00:04:34,427 Speaker 2: Sappho one more if he's over his injury. Are those 89 00:04:34,467 --> 00:04:35,187 Speaker 2: the three hookers? 90 00:04:36,427 --> 00:04:39,187 Speaker 3: I think so, And I'm sort of hearing that Arma 91 00:04:39,867 --> 00:04:42,667 Speaker 3: probably won't be involved in July because that hamstring injury 92 00:04:42,787 --> 00:04:45,347 Speaker 3: he was obviously cantered off on the medicab. You might 93 00:04:45,387 --> 00:04:48,867 Speaker 3: have been at that train Funny and Wellington prior to 94 00:04:48,907 --> 00:04:53,387 Speaker 3: the semi final against the Brumbies doesn't sound great. So 95 00:04:53,467 --> 00:04:56,267 Speaker 3: I think he may miss the series against front So 96 00:04:56,307 --> 00:04:59,507 Speaker 3: that could potentially open the door for George Bell who 97 00:04:59,627 --> 00:05:02,947 Speaker 3: was a rookie inclusion last year in. 98 00:05:03,027 --> 00:05:05,707 Speaker 2: The Locks, Scott Barrett Patrick tw we p a lot 99 00:05:05,707 --> 00:05:09,867 Speaker 2: too and two they'll probably take one more. So who 100 00:05:09,867 --> 00:05:10,507 Speaker 2: will that be? 101 00:05:12,027 --> 00:05:16,307 Speaker 3: I think it's come on down Netherlands born Fabian Hollands, 102 00:05:18,147 --> 00:05:20,987 Speaker 3: and you know what a story that'll be, because very 103 00:05:21,587 --> 00:05:24,067 Speaker 3: unique story, isn't it. A guy that grew up in 104 00:05:24,067 --> 00:05:28,747 Speaker 3: a football mad country, came to crush it, originally went 105 00:05:28,787 --> 00:05:30,827 Speaker 3: to school there to chase his dream, originally on a 106 00:05:30,907 --> 00:05:35,227 Speaker 3: six month scholarship and got lured down south to Dunedin 107 00:05:35,387 --> 00:05:37,707 Speaker 3: and has rarely come on leaps and bounds in a 108 00:05:37,707 --> 00:05:40,667 Speaker 3: big way. Grown into his body, learned the game and 109 00:05:40,947 --> 00:05:42,627 Speaker 3: I think could be a real asset to the All 110 00:05:42,627 --> 00:05:44,987 Speaker 3: Blacks and the years to come. He spent time training 111 00:05:44,987 --> 00:05:46,507 Speaker 3: with the All Blacks at the back end of last 112 00:05:46,587 --> 00:05:51,307 Speaker 3: year and really impressed the coaches and even guys like 113 00:05:51,387 --> 00:05:54,787 Speaker 3: Sam Kine spoke publicly about how easily he fitted in 114 00:05:55,067 --> 00:05:57,427 Speaker 3: and he just sort of looked the part. So I'll 115 00:05:57,467 --> 00:05:59,947 Speaker 3: be very surprised if he's not the fourth flock. 116 00:06:00,507 --> 00:06:02,787 Speaker 2: Yeah, big body to U, isn't He's quite a big human, 117 00:06:02,867 --> 00:06:03,227 Speaker 2: isn't he. 118 00:06:04,947 --> 00:06:04,987 Speaker 1: Was? 119 00:06:05,027 --> 00:06:08,627 Speaker 3: He two meters all throws himself into the collision, So 120 00:06:09,347 --> 00:06:10,387 Speaker 3: he's only going to get better. 121 00:06:10,867 --> 00:06:14,387 Speaker 2: Yeah, look forward to seeing Fabian Holland and his development. Okay, 122 00:06:14,507 --> 00:06:17,307 Speaker 2: loose forwards. This is probably where we have to have 123 00:06:17,387 --> 00:06:19,147 Speaker 2: to scratch our heads just a little bit, and I'm 124 00:06:19,187 --> 00:06:21,427 Speaker 2: sure the selectors have done so as well. Before we 125 00:06:21,427 --> 00:06:23,547 Speaker 2: look at who might be there, we know Ardie Savia 126 00:06:23,667 --> 00:06:27,467 Speaker 2: will be. Which number do you expect Artie Savia to 127 00:06:27,587 --> 00:06:29,187 Speaker 2: wear for the All Blacks this season? 128 00:06:30,747 --> 00:06:32,627 Speaker 3: I think we'll see them get back to seven point here. 129 00:06:32,667 --> 00:06:36,747 Speaker 3: I think we saw that sort of movement towards the 130 00:06:36,787 --> 00:06:41,227 Speaker 3: back end of last year. But Wallace a TSI is 131 00:06:41,227 --> 00:06:43,627 Speaker 3: a natural number eight and I think that's where his 132 00:06:43,707 --> 00:06:45,987 Speaker 3: long term future and then that's ultimately where the All 133 00:06:45,987 --> 00:06:49,787 Speaker 3: Blacks will play him. He made a good fist of blindside, 134 00:06:49,787 --> 00:06:51,307 Speaker 3: didn't he. He was the All Blacks player in the 135 00:06:51,347 --> 00:06:56,347 Speaker 3: year last year, coming from his rookie Super Rugby season 136 00:06:56,427 --> 00:06:59,907 Speaker 3: through to you know, standing out against the spring Box 137 00:07:00,107 --> 00:07:03,067 Speaker 3: and England. But I think it is the back of 138 00:07:03,107 --> 00:07:05,387 Speaker 3: the scrum we'll see Wallace with Ardie and so then 139 00:07:06,507 --> 00:07:10,147 Speaker 3: you're looking for the perennial questions who is the All 140 00:07:10,147 --> 00:07:14,227 Speaker 3: Blacks blind side? And that's something that hasn't really been 141 00:07:14,267 --> 00:07:18,467 Speaker 3: sold since chen Frazel went off to Japan and it 142 00:07:18,547 --> 00:07:20,907 Speaker 3: took him sometime to step into Jerome kind of shoes 143 00:07:20,947 --> 00:07:24,587 Speaker 3: as well. So the back end of last year the 144 00:07:24,587 --> 00:07:27,067 Speaker 3: All Blacks took seven loose forwards in a thirty six 145 00:07:27,147 --> 00:07:30,187 Speaker 3: man squad. You're probably looking at six or seven for 146 00:07:30,267 --> 00:07:31,147 Speaker 3: the squad as well. 147 00:07:32,107 --> 00:07:36,387 Speaker 2: Who is six? Then? Who is it? Smer Penny Female. 148 00:07:36,427 --> 00:07:38,947 Speaker 2: Let's let's chuck some names out. Is it Somer Penny Fee? 149 00:07:38,987 --> 00:07:45,907 Speaker 3: Now he's the closest in prototype or body composition, the 150 00:07:45,947 --> 00:07:48,827 Speaker 3: way he plays the game to a Frizelle or a 151 00:07:48,907 --> 00:07:51,067 Speaker 3: kind of isn't he The bill Blacks loved their blind 152 00:07:51,107 --> 00:07:55,307 Speaker 3: side to be that big, bruising enforcer, somebody who can 153 00:07:55,667 --> 00:07:58,507 Speaker 3: contribute at the line out as well. Some a Penny 154 00:07:59,067 --> 00:08:01,707 Speaker 3: is that guy. But he hasn't really taken his chance 155 00:08:01,747 --> 00:08:04,027 Speaker 3: for the All Blacks, so I expect him to be 156 00:08:04,107 --> 00:08:07,187 Speaker 3: in the squads. But I think the question of who 157 00:08:07,267 --> 00:08:09,547 Speaker 3: starts at six for the Old Blacks are still reopen. 158 00:08:10,347 --> 00:08:15,267 Speaker 3: Ethan Blackheader is another strong contender. He's and his prowess 159 00:08:15,307 --> 00:08:17,027 Speaker 3: is more on the defensive side of the ball than 160 00:08:17,107 --> 00:08:21,147 Speaker 3: than carrying. And then there's there's others like Luke Jacobson 161 00:08:21,707 --> 00:08:25,427 Speaker 3: very similar. The issue with the loose folds and leaphony 162 00:08:25,547 --> 00:08:28,547 Speaker 3: is when you look at Luke Jacobson, Ethan Blackheader, and 163 00:08:28,627 --> 00:08:32,227 Speaker 3: Dalton Popally are all very similar layers, and so it 164 00:08:32,267 --> 00:08:35,107 Speaker 3: depends you know, can you can you afford to fit 165 00:08:35,467 --> 00:08:36,747 Speaker 3: all of them in the same squad? 166 00:08:38,267 --> 00:08:40,187 Speaker 2: I don't think he can. Can he? Do you think he'll? 167 00:08:40,827 --> 00:08:44,827 Speaker 2: Is this the time when perhaps Dalton Papale missus an 168 00:08:44,867 --> 00:08:45,627 Speaker 2: All Black squad? 169 00:08:46,987 --> 00:08:49,627 Speaker 3: I think he'd be very nervous funny and you saw 170 00:08:49,667 --> 00:08:52,347 Speaker 3: that last year he really did fall out of favor. 171 00:08:52,347 --> 00:08:55,507 Speaker 3: He was the heir apparent for so long to sam Kin, 172 00:08:56,307 --> 00:08:59,227 Speaker 3: but when pushed him to shove last year, all Blacks 173 00:08:59,267 --> 00:09:04,107 Speaker 3: went back to experience, called Kane and Pedanara and Dalton Papally. 174 00:09:04,267 --> 00:09:06,867 Speaker 3: He missed out on the on the Northern because of 175 00:09:06,867 --> 00:09:08,787 Speaker 3: a thumb injury. There was some talk that he was 176 00:09:08,827 --> 00:09:11,707 Speaker 3: going to go later on that tour when it healed. 177 00:09:11,707 --> 00:09:14,627 Speaker 3: That didn't happen, and then his fathers like Peter Lucky 178 00:09:14,747 --> 00:09:17,587 Speaker 3: come in and really impress off the bench against France. 179 00:09:17,627 --> 00:09:20,507 Speaker 3: So I think the style of rugby that the Blues 180 00:09:20,507 --> 00:09:24,707 Speaker 3: play don't help doesn't help Hauppily either. He's very good defensively, 181 00:09:24,747 --> 00:09:26,307 Speaker 3: but he also looks good when he's got a bit 182 00:09:26,347 --> 00:09:29,467 Speaker 3: of room to move, roaming down the wide channels. But 183 00:09:29,667 --> 00:09:32,387 Speaker 3: underven Cod of the Blues are just so combative, so direct, 184 00:09:33,027 --> 00:09:36,707 Speaker 3: that he doesn't get enough of those opportunities. So I 185 00:09:36,747 --> 00:09:39,227 Speaker 3: would not be surprised to see him mister squad, and 186 00:09:39,227 --> 00:09:41,707 Speaker 3: that would be a massive call for a guy that's 187 00:09:41,787 --> 00:09:43,867 Speaker 3: had huge investment in his future. 188 00:09:44,667 --> 00:09:48,947 Speaker 2: Duplas he's a seven and only a seven hasn't played 189 00:09:48,947 --> 00:09:51,947 Speaker 2: for the All Blacks exceptional this year for the Hurricanes. 190 00:09:52,347 --> 00:09:54,587 Speaker 2: Do you expect his name to be on the list tomorrow? 191 00:09:56,587 --> 00:09:59,547 Speaker 3: I do, and I hope so, because he couldn't have 192 00:09:59,587 --> 00:10:02,667 Speaker 3: done anything more. And for me, he's a point of difference. 193 00:10:02,747 --> 00:10:06,027 Speaker 3: He's he's not that big iusy like you would have 194 00:10:06,067 --> 00:10:08,827 Speaker 3: be viewed him how many times stood next to him. 195 00:10:09,267 --> 00:10:16,027 Speaker 3: He's seriously built, tree trunk legs, huge upper body. But 196 00:10:16,107 --> 00:10:19,867 Speaker 3: his point of difference is turnovers and that's so valuable 197 00:10:19,867 --> 00:10:22,707 Speaker 3: in the modern game, to be able to snap or 198 00:10:22,747 --> 00:10:26,347 Speaker 3: breakdown turnover and to try and strike on counter attack. 199 00:10:26,587 --> 00:10:29,027 Speaker 3: And I just think he does that better than any 200 00:10:29,067 --> 00:10:31,147 Speaker 3: other loose forward in New Zealand. At the moment. He's 201 00:10:31,187 --> 00:10:34,667 Speaker 3: consistently done that for the Hurricanes. And also heard that 202 00:10:34,747 --> 00:10:38,747 Speaker 3: he was very close to leaving signing in Japan and 203 00:10:38,747 --> 00:10:42,147 Speaker 3: that the All Blacks encouraged him to stay. So if 204 00:10:42,187 --> 00:10:45,547 Speaker 3: he's not in the squad, you'd be pretty disappointed if 205 00:10:45,587 --> 00:10:48,307 Speaker 3: you'd had that encouragement and it didn't come fruition. 206 00:10:49,627 --> 00:10:51,587 Speaker 2: He's got a half backs. I don't think we have 207 00:10:51,627 --> 00:10:53,667 Speaker 2: to stay here long, do we? Camroy Guard Cortes will 208 00:10:53,707 --> 00:10:56,067 Speaker 2: have to Manoah Hotham anybody else in the discussion. 209 00:10:57,347 --> 00:11:00,067 Speaker 3: I think Tic tic Tick largely fin Lay. Christy's probably 210 00:11:00,107 --> 00:11:03,707 Speaker 3: the fourth guy, but I think there's a bit of 211 00:11:03,707 --> 00:11:07,227 Speaker 3: a gap there. And yeah, I think all see those 212 00:11:07,267 --> 00:11:10,867 Speaker 3: three in the rotation and get plenty of opportunities this year, 213 00:11:11,227 --> 00:11:12,587 Speaker 3: the ore the future for now. 214 00:11:13,147 --> 00:11:15,987 Speaker 2: First five Boden Barrett and Damien McKenzie, we know we'll 215 00:11:16,027 --> 00:11:18,907 Speaker 2: both be there. Who is starting in the ten jumper 216 00:11:18,987 --> 00:11:21,387 Speaker 2: against France in two weeks in Dunedin though. 217 00:11:23,027 --> 00:11:24,987 Speaker 3: Boden Barrett, I think we'll start fining. I think we 218 00:11:25,027 --> 00:11:32,787 Speaker 3: saw in the Super Rugby playoffs. I think Boden outshine 219 00:11:32,867 --> 00:11:36,507 Speaker 3: McKenzie when the Blues beat the Chiefs and Neilson mckensey 220 00:11:36,547 --> 00:11:40,187 Speaker 3: bounced back with an impressive performance against the Brumbies the 221 00:11:40,187 --> 00:11:43,587 Speaker 3: following week in their semifinal tri saving tackle. I think 222 00:11:43,587 --> 00:11:46,227 Speaker 3: it was a twenty two point haul. But then again, 223 00:11:46,347 --> 00:11:50,067 Speaker 3: last night wasn't his best match, a couple of errors, 224 00:11:51,667 --> 00:11:55,307 Speaker 3: didn't have the front foot platform with the Crusaders dominating 225 00:11:55,307 --> 00:11:58,027 Speaker 3: the scrum and the line out to a degree, But 226 00:11:58,707 --> 00:12:01,627 Speaker 3: couldn't impose himself on that game as you would hope 227 00:12:02,267 --> 00:12:04,747 Speaker 3: a world class playmaker should in a Super Rugby final. 228 00:12:04,867 --> 00:12:08,707 Speaker 3: So I think those performances will hurt him and Boden's 229 00:12:08,707 --> 00:12:10,947 Speaker 3: the incumbent. Going back to the back end of last year, 230 00:12:11,467 --> 00:12:16,547 Speaker 3: he Scott Robinson and trusted him largely, and I think 231 00:12:16,627 --> 00:12:18,467 Speaker 3: we'll see that continue. 232 00:12:18,547 --> 00:12:19,667 Speaker 2: Host the next best ten. 233 00:12:21,547 --> 00:12:25,107 Speaker 3: It's a million dollar question. Is it Stephen Peter Fetter 234 00:12:25,187 --> 00:12:27,387 Speaker 3: who has barely played for the Blues because of a 235 00:12:27,467 --> 00:12:31,147 Speaker 3: carpentery all years A Ruben Love who had a handful 236 00:12:31,187 --> 00:12:36,107 Speaker 3: of games at ten for the All Blacks. I've got 237 00:12:36,147 --> 00:12:39,187 Speaker 3: no idea, Pony. I think his real concerns about the 238 00:12:39,587 --> 00:12:42,667 Speaker 3: depth at ten in New Zealand rugby when you look 239 00:12:42,707 --> 00:12:47,267 Speaker 3: at the Highlanders and the Hurricanes even at times this year, 240 00:12:47,667 --> 00:12:49,627 Speaker 3: and I know they suffered a number of injuries, but 241 00:12:50,627 --> 00:12:53,587 Speaker 3: He've got a situation where a lot of a lot 242 00:12:53,587 --> 00:12:55,627 Speaker 3: of the first five of the pool, don't they and 243 00:12:56,267 --> 00:13:00,987 Speaker 3: Crusaders and Chiefs Country and the Blues, and I think 244 00:13:01,147 --> 00:13:03,187 Speaker 3: that needs to be a real focus to develop those 245 00:13:03,227 --> 00:13:06,307 Speaker 3: next teens, because if Bodenbauer or Damien McKenzie went down, 246 00:13:06,987 --> 00:13:09,427 Speaker 3: I think Scott Robinson would have some sleepless nights. 247 00:13:09,707 --> 00:13:12,667 Speaker 2: Indeed, well, le's go to midfield. I feel like there 248 00:13:12,667 --> 00:13:16,187 Speaker 2: are five very good midfield backs Jordy Barrett, Billy Proctor, 249 00:13:16,267 --> 00:13:19,587 Speaker 2: Rico Jowani, David Harvilly and quint To Pie. Those last 250 00:13:19,627 --> 00:13:22,547 Speaker 2: two were both excellent for their respective sides. Last night 251 00:13:22,587 --> 00:13:25,027 Speaker 2: I thought, do you think he'll select all five? 252 00:13:26,707 --> 00:13:30,587 Speaker 3: It depends on Antony the Brown's comeback from his collarbone 253 00:13:31,067 --> 00:13:34,227 Speaker 3: broken colobone. I'm not too sure where that's at, So 254 00:13:35,107 --> 00:13:38,907 Speaker 3: maybe he does select all five with a caveat that 255 00:13:39,027 --> 00:13:41,667 Speaker 3: Anton would come in later for the third Test. You 256 00:13:41,707 --> 00:13:43,987 Speaker 3: know that they can mix a match a wee bit 257 00:13:44,067 --> 00:13:48,307 Speaker 3: with their squad depending on Anton's availability. Otherwise, it probably 258 00:13:48,307 --> 00:13:51,307 Speaker 3: comes down to a straight choice between Heavily and to Pyre, 259 00:13:51,667 --> 00:13:54,667 Speaker 3: and they'll both be very good this year. I would 260 00:13:54,667 --> 00:13:59,587 Speaker 3: have to pire purely because I think he brings a 261 00:13:59,627 --> 00:14:02,387 Speaker 3: strong ball carrying presence and you need that at twelve. 262 00:14:02,467 --> 00:14:07,107 Speaker 3: He's probably the closest in that regard to Barrett that 263 00:14:07,587 --> 00:14:09,947 Speaker 3: we haven't in his yelling games. David Heavily brings a 264 00:14:10,067 --> 00:14:13,507 Speaker 3: raft of skills. I know James o'coll O'Connor's talked him 265 00:14:13,547 --> 00:14:17,387 Speaker 3: up this season. He certainly has a lot of voice 266 00:14:17,387 --> 00:14:20,147 Speaker 3: and influence, and he's got a good kicking game. But 267 00:14:20,227 --> 00:14:24,427 Speaker 3: I just I like what Quinn brings just a really hard, uncompromising, 268 00:14:24,467 --> 00:14:26,587 Speaker 3: direct presence on both sides of the poorn. 269 00:14:27,867 --> 00:14:30,707 Speaker 2: Just before we moved to the back three. Again, I'm 270 00:14:30,707 --> 00:14:32,667 Speaker 2: asking you to predict stuff here, but do you think 271 00:14:32,747 --> 00:14:35,187 Speaker 2: razorw give Billy Proctor a crack in that thirteen jumper 272 00:14:35,187 --> 00:14:36,947 Speaker 2: against France? Maybe even the first Test? 273 00:14:38,427 --> 00:14:39,907 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not too sure about the first Test, but 274 00:14:39,947 --> 00:14:42,907 Speaker 3: I think definitely against France. And I think we saw 275 00:14:43,027 --> 00:14:46,387 Speaker 3: last year in July Bill Blacks used their whole squad 276 00:14:46,787 --> 00:14:49,787 Speaker 3: and that was in two tests against England and Fiji, 277 00:14:49,827 --> 00:14:52,507 Speaker 3: so a lot easier to do that. But we all 278 00:14:52,547 --> 00:14:56,307 Speaker 3: know it's going to be a largely second string French team. 279 00:14:57,147 --> 00:15:00,987 Speaker 3: Expectations for the All Blacks to win all three and look, 280 00:15:01,027 --> 00:15:03,347 Speaker 3: Billy Proctor just has to get more game time. He 281 00:15:04,547 --> 00:15:07,347 Speaker 3: has come back this year was accept for the Hurricanes. 282 00:15:08,427 --> 00:15:13,507 Speaker 3: His distribution, his balance as attacking game has rarely come 283 00:15:13,547 --> 00:15:16,267 Speaker 3: to the four in the last few years, and I 284 00:15:16,347 --> 00:15:18,147 Speaker 3: was highly critical of the All Blacks for not giving 285 00:15:18,187 --> 00:15:20,427 Speaker 3: him any game time in the Rugby Championship last year. 286 00:15:20,467 --> 00:15:23,827 Speaker 3: That was just bizarre. So I think, yeah, he has 287 00:15:23,867 --> 00:15:25,427 Speaker 3: to have more games in there. And now I thinking 288 00:15:25,427 --> 00:15:28,107 Speaker 3: about that is riko Iwani I'm pretty sure he'll played 289 00:15:28,147 --> 00:15:31,147 Speaker 3: every match or close to it for the Blues this year, 290 00:15:31,227 --> 00:15:34,027 Speaker 3: so they will want to manage him to a degree. 291 00:15:34,307 --> 00:15:36,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, he started every match as well, so I think 292 00:15:36,667 --> 00:15:39,067 Speaker 2: he was the only blog good to do it in 293 00:15:39,267 --> 00:15:42,427 Speaker 2: New Zealand colors anyways, So yeah, he's had a bit 294 00:15:42,427 --> 00:15:44,947 Speaker 2: of rugby. So to the back three. First of all, 295 00:15:44,947 --> 00:15:46,827 Speaker 2: do you think they'll select Mark to Laya given the 296 00:15:46,867 --> 00:15:48,227 Speaker 2: fact that he's leaving New Zealand. 297 00:15:49,467 --> 00:15:53,147 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so, Piney and maybe if it 298 00:15:53,307 --> 00:15:57,387 Speaker 3: was a Bone Barrett they might, but it is a 299 00:15:57,467 --> 00:16:00,347 Speaker 3: very case by case sort of selection basis. There's no 300 00:16:00,427 --> 00:16:03,147 Speaker 3: hard and fast rules around this. But I think with 301 00:16:03,267 --> 00:16:06,027 Speaker 3: wingers and particularly you're better off investing in the future. 302 00:16:06,067 --> 00:16:08,067 Speaker 3: They they came to have a bit of a shelf life. 303 00:16:08,067 --> 00:16:12,947 Speaker 3: You tend to pick on form when they're hot. So yeah, 304 00:16:12,987 --> 00:16:14,387 Speaker 3: I think they'll move on from Mark. 305 00:16:14,187 --> 00:16:17,067 Speaker 2: T Lea all right, so it'll be Will Jordan obviously 306 00:16:17,227 --> 00:16:17,907 Speaker 2: and who. 307 00:16:20,027 --> 00:16:22,067 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's up for the day. I think Caleb Clark. 308 00:16:22,467 --> 00:16:24,307 Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure I'm right. I'm saying he didn't score 309 00:16:24,307 --> 00:16:24,867 Speaker 3: a try for the. 310 00:16:24,827 --> 00:16:27,187 Speaker 2: Blues this year, Right, You're right he did not. 311 00:16:29,347 --> 00:16:37,027 Speaker 3: It's a bit of a for a winger, but yeah, 312 00:16:37,067 --> 00:16:40,347 Speaker 3: he again it's the sort of the blue style. Doesn't 313 00:16:40,387 --> 00:16:44,027 Speaker 3: help that. Caleb was very good for the for the 314 00:16:44,067 --> 00:16:46,347 Speaker 3: All Blacks last year, so I expect him to be there. 315 00:16:46,987 --> 00:16:49,587 Speaker 3: You've got Jordan, as you say, interesting to see how 316 00:16:49,627 --> 00:16:52,747 Speaker 3: his knee is. He looked to be heavily strapped and 317 00:16:52,787 --> 00:16:56,507 Speaker 3: hobbling around last night, so hopefully and that's not too serious. 318 00:16:57,067 --> 00:16:59,907 Speaker 3: And then I think Rubert Love will be there, whether 319 00:16:59,987 --> 00:17:04,747 Speaker 3: it's as a fullback, wing first five. I think his 320 00:17:04,907 --> 00:17:09,307 Speaker 3: versatility they will like he had what like five or 321 00:17:09,307 --> 00:17:12,667 Speaker 3: ten minutes off the bench against Japan last year, scored 322 00:17:12,707 --> 00:17:15,387 Speaker 3: a try on the wing, so I think he'll be there. 323 00:17:15,747 --> 00:17:19,947 Speaker 3: And then you're looking at that, well, Bilbert showed a 324 00:17:19,947 --> 00:17:23,307 Speaker 3: lot of peace in sever Reese last year, so I 325 00:17:23,467 --> 00:17:27,467 Speaker 3: probably expect him to be there, And then you could 326 00:17:27,507 --> 00:17:32,627 Speaker 3: be looking at a choice between an Hour or Leroykada. 327 00:17:32,987 --> 00:17:36,507 Speaker 3: I thought Lebrocada probably didn't enhance his claims last night. 328 00:17:36,547 --> 00:17:41,827 Speaker 3: AMMONI plays I think one match under Razor before being 329 00:17:41,867 --> 00:17:44,947 Speaker 3: to a cast aside, and so yeah, interesting to see 330 00:17:44,947 --> 00:17:47,267 Speaker 3: the makeup of their back three and what the sort 331 00:17:47,267 --> 00:17:49,907 Speaker 3: of forwards backs as well. They can select up to 332 00:17:49,947 --> 00:17:54,667 Speaker 3: thirty five, but they may not just because they I 333 00:17:54,747 --> 00:17:57,107 Speaker 3: know they do want to use the whole squad throughout 334 00:17:57,147 --> 00:17:59,067 Speaker 3: this July series, all. 335 00:17:58,987 --> 00:18:02,547 Speaker 2: Right, And the fact that you're off to Taranaki tomorrow 336 00:18:02,947 --> 00:18:05,547 Speaker 2: to bear Att Country would suggest that we're going to 337 00:18:05,627 --> 00:18:08,187 Speaker 2: have the same captain, even though there were murmurings earlier 338 00:18:08,587 --> 00:18:11,907 Speaker 2: in the season after Ardie Save's herculean displays from Mowana 339 00:18:11,907 --> 00:18:15,067 Speaker 2: Pacifica that he perhaps should be given the captain's armband. 340 00:18:15,107 --> 00:18:17,827 Speaker 2: It'll be s Barrett to lead the site again. 341 00:18:18,867 --> 00:18:23,827 Speaker 3: Well indeed plenty Yeah off the Openaki Coastal Rugby Club. 342 00:18:24,707 --> 00:18:26,787 Speaker 3: I can't imagine that the Barracks have ever bought a 343 00:18:26,787 --> 00:18:31,627 Speaker 3: beer in their life in recent times, so hopefully that 344 00:18:31,747 --> 00:18:32,707 Speaker 3: extends to the media. 345 00:18:32,827 --> 00:18:36,107 Speaker 2: Sure what I have to surely smiley of you all 346 00:18:36,147 --> 00:18:39,147 Speaker 2: over it, I'm sure, I'm sure. Well, hey, great analysis. 347 00:18:39,587 --> 00:18:41,387 Speaker 2: You've got a piece on the Herald this morning as 348 00:18:41,387 --> 00:18:44,427 Speaker 2: well that people can can catch up on mid day tomorrow. 349 00:18:44,507 --> 00:18:47,107 Speaker 2: Is that when we're expecting David Kirk to address the 350 00:18:47,467 --> 00:18:49,707 Speaker 2: assembled throng about about midday tomorrow? 351 00:18:50,547 --> 00:18:54,067 Speaker 3: That's all right, yep, live on Sky and News talk 352 00:18:54,107 --> 00:18:56,707 Speaker 3: to eb I'm sure as well, So yeah, tune in 353 00:18:56,747 --> 00:18:59,787 Speaker 3: and there's always one or two surprises so and always 354 00:18:59,787 --> 00:19:01,187 Speaker 3: a lot of interest in the first squad of here, 355 00:19:01,227 --> 00:19:02,107 Speaker 3: so looking forward to it. 356 00:19:02,667 --> 00:19:06,707 Speaker 2: Travel safe into the Naki, Liam, thanks for wing us 357 00:19:06,707 --> 00:19:09,347 Speaker 2: this afternoon. May always appreciate your time and expertise. 358 00:19:10,307 --> 00:19:11,987 Speaker 3: Jers Fine a catch up soon mate. 359 00:19:11,827 --> 00:19:13,507 Speaker 2: Good on you, mate, look forward to that. Leam Napier 360 00:19:13,587 --> 00:19:15,667 Speaker 2: insidherld dot co dot nz is where you can read 361 00:19:15,987 --> 00:19:18,507 Speaker 2: his excellent analysis. He has got a piece this morning 362 00:19:18,507 --> 00:19:20,267 Speaker 2: which breaks down a bit of what we've just talked 363 00:19:20,267 --> 00:19:22,427 Speaker 2: about there as far as the all Black Squad is concerned, 364 00:19:22,467 --> 00:19:25,747 Speaker 2: so up to thirty five names he may not name 365 00:19:25,867 --> 00:19:26,587 Speaker 2: thirty five. 366 00:19:27,267 --> 00:19:30,427 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 367 00:19:30,547 --> 00:19:33,827 Speaker 1: to News Talk zed B weekends from midday or follow 368 00:19:33,867 --> 00:19:35,427 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.