1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:11,972 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk zed B. 2 00:00:12,373 --> 00:00:16,852 Speaker 1: Follow this and our Wide Ranger podcast now on iHeartRadio now. 3 00:00:16,893 --> 00:00:20,372 Speaker 2: Mark Viddy is a world renowned animal behaviorist and dog trainer. 4 00:00:20,453 --> 00:00:23,493 Speaker 2: He's been working with animals for over forty years. You 5 00:00:23,533 --> 00:00:25,532 Speaker 2: may have seen him on the Telly or read one 6 00:00:25,573 --> 00:00:28,772 Speaker 2: of his books. He's a trained animal psychologist and created 7 00:00:28,813 --> 00:00:32,132 Speaker 2: the Dogs In Online training program, and he joins us 8 00:00:32,133 --> 00:00:33,732 Speaker 2: for the first time as part of our USK the 9 00:00:33,773 --> 00:00:36,053 Speaker 2: Expert segments Good. 10 00:00:35,853 --> 00:00:38,212 Speaker 3: Afternoon, maybe good there? 11 00:00:38,213 --> 00:00:41,293 Speaker 4: Are you very good? Thank you? So one hundred and 12 00:00:41,333 --> 00:00:43,693 Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty. If you've got a question about your 13 00:00:43,693 --> 00:00:46,773 Speaker 4: pet's behavior, give us a call right now. Boy boy, 14 00:00:46,853 --> 00:00:49,612 Speaker 4: the text machine and the phone lines are hiding up, 15 00:00:49,653 --> 00:00:50,892 Speaker 4: so should we get straight into it. 16 00:00:51,013 --> 00:00:51,693 Speaker 5: Yeah, let's go. 17 00:00:53,333 --> 00:00:53,613 Speaker 1: Anna. 18 00:00:53,693 --> 00:00:54,893 Speaker 4: Have you got a question for Mark? 19 00:00:55,653 --> 00:00:59,813 Speaker 6: I do have a question. I'm a new Hi. Hi, 20 00:01:00,293 --> 00:01:02,053 Speaker 6: I'm a new catch. Oh No, I had them when 21 00:01:02,053 --> 00:01:03,413 Speaker 6: I was a kid, and then I was allergic and 22 00:01:03,453 --> 00:01:05,133 Speaker 6: then I grew out of that. So we figured it 23 00:01:05,133 --> 00:01:07,893 Speaker 6: out and got a cat, and I'm kind of ships now. 24 00:01:08,373 --> 00:01:10,533 Speaker 6: We're loving it. But she she wakes us up every 25 00:01:10,653 --> 00:01:14,973 Speaker 6: night for thirty and she's very persistent. The needing the yawing, 26 00:01:15,053 --> 00:01:17,773 Speaker 6: the sitting on us, licking my ears, and we've try 27 00:01:17,813 --> 00:01:20,573 Speaker 6: to lock her out and she's torn up the carpets terrible. 28 00:01:21,813 --> 00:01:23,133 Speaker 6: So what do I do. 29 00:01:24,932 --> 00:01:28,652 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good timing. I'm just literally on the last 30 00:01:28,652 --> 00:01:31,732 Speaker 3: two days of writing my cat book Cats in so 31 00:01:32,533 --> 00:01:34,773 Speaker 3: all the answers will be in there. But anyway, you're 32 00:01:34,853 --> 00:01:39,413 Speaker 3: lucky I can answer it personally. I mean, basically cats. 33 00:01:39,973 --> 00:01:43,452 Speaker 3: It's important to understand that cats, of course crepuscular and 34 00:01:43,973 --> 00:01:46,572 Speaker 3: men's kind of They hunt at dusk and dawn and 35 00:01:46,733 --> 00:01:50,133 Speaker 3: through the night, so of course the activity cycles are 36 00:01:50,173 --> 00:01:53,093 Speaker 3: different from ours, and so we've got to take into 37 00:01:53,093 --> 00:01:57,133 Speaker 3: account the fact that they're quite active through this time. Now, 38 00:01:57,173 --> 00:02:01,133 Speaker 3: the simple answer is obviously closing it out. But as 39 00:02:01,133 --> 00:02:03,493 Speaker 3: you said, ripping up the cap and those kinds of things. 40 00:02:03,893 --> 00:02:08,173 Speaker 3: Question what I prefer to do with a cat and 41 00:02:08,373 --> 00:02:11,333 Speaker 3: those situations, as I mean, its best simply to lock 42 00:02:11,373 --> 00:02:16,173 Speaker 3: it out or for a period otherwise ideally do not 43 00:02:16,253 --> 00:02:18,252 Speaker 3: reward the behavior. But at the end to day the 44 00:02:18,293 --> 00:02:20,853 Speaker 3: cattle keep persisting. More than likely I like to have 45 00:02:20,853 --> 00:02:24,573 Speaker 3: a cattio, which which means you know, just getting even 46 00:02:24,573 --> 00:02:26,933 Speaker 3: if it's just a little area just outside one of 47 00:02:26,972 --> 00:02:30,012 Speaker 3: the windows so they can actually move about through and 48 00:02:30,333 --> 00:02:34,013 Speaker 3: get some nighttime exposure, even though you might not want 49 00:02:34,053 --> 00:02:37,213 Speaker 3: to let them outside at night on a veranda. 50 00:02:37,453 --> 00:02:40,653 Speaker 6: So and it's not enclosed, but she can't get off 51 00:02:40,653 --> 00:02:42,213 Speaker 6: the runda, so maybe we'll just have to leave that 52 00:02:42,532 --> 00:02:43,412 Speaker 6: open all the time. 53 00:02:44,133 --> 00:02:46,173 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's right. I think that's it's important for 54 00:02:46,173 --> 00:02:50,213 Speaker 3: her to be able to get access to some night stimulation. 55 00:02:50,853 --> 00:02:54,613 Speaker 3: So even just watching and smelling and looking, and the 56 00:02:54,693 --> 00:03:00,213 Speaker 3: cats are highly centaur the smells and pheromones and watching 57 00:03:00,493 --> 00:03:03,773 Speaker 3: night activity. They're probably not out at night with its 58 00:03:03,813 --> 00:03:07,053 Speaker 3: when they fight and get the disease run over, you know, 59 00:03:07,093 --> 00:03:07,773 Speaker 3: Herbert dogs. 60 00:03:08,532 --> 00:03:11,692 Speaker 6: We normally lock her in a n Yeah, okay, well 61 00:03:11,853 --> 00:03:14,252 Speaker 6: even in winter, we'll have to just leave the but 62 00:03:14,373 --> 00:03:19,773 Speaker 6: the windows on the she can't get off the dick, 63 00:03:19,853 --> 00:03:22,493 Speaker 6: so she's not going to get enough by tour. Yeah, 64 00:03:23,693 --> 00:03:25,333 Speaker 6: we just wanted there was something we could do to 65 00:03:25,373 --> 00:03:26,053 Speaker 6: train out of it. 66 00:03:27,173 --> 00:03:30,412 Speaker 3: Well, the other thing is makes you diversify her opportunity 67 00:03:30,453 --> 00:03:33,013 Speaker 3: to play as much as possible, pray play, you know, 68 00:03:33,173 --> 00:03:37,093 Speaker 3: just playing pray games. If you're a prey item or toys, 69 00:03:37,173 --> 00:03:39,733 Speaker 3: pray item is a really good output for a cat. 70 00:03:39,853 --> 00:03:42,093 Speaker 3: So they want to get them to express some of 71 00:03:42,093 --> 00:03:45,173 Speaker 3: that what would otherwise be hunting behavior at night and 72 00:03:46,053 --> 00:03:48,133 Speaker 3: relieve some of that frustration. 73 00:03:51,373 --> 00:03:52,653 Speaker 4: Thank you so much. 74 00:03:53,093 --> 00:03:55,413 Speaker 3: Ask one more question, you know, you go for. 75 00:03:56,093 --> 00:03:58,053 Speaker 6: Okay, why does she carry like she's got this little 76 00:03:58,093 --> 00:03:59,973 Speaker 6: pink blanket, she carries it around. 77 00:04:02,453 --> 00:04:09,573 Speaker 3: And Charlie Charlie, Yeah, I mean certain females it can 78 00:04:09,613 --> 00:04:13,533 Speaker 3: be can start when they have a false pregnancy and 79 00:04:13,893 --> 00:04:15,693 Speaker 3: so it's like a bit like one of the young 80 00:04:16,173 --> 00:04:19,053 Speaker 3: and so that that's the common cause for it, particularly 81 00:04:19,053 --> 00:04:21,533 Speaker 3: in females. But X femals can do that too, So 82 00:04:21,533 --> 00:04:24,533 Speaker 3: they're kind of carrying the young round or cashing objects 83 00:04:24,533 --> 00:04:27,333 Speaker 3: into their nests. There's normally the reason they do that. 84 00:04:27,533 --> 00:04:29,733 Speaker 6: Wow, And it's often when we're away that she does that. 85 00:04:29,813 --> 00:04:31,893 Speaker 6: She's dragging around all the time we get home, and 86 00:04:32,453 --> 00:04:33,413 Speaker 6: that's the place. 87 00:04:33,733 --> 00:04:36,293 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're not there, of course, that she's not 88 00:04:36,333 --> 00:04:40,573 Speaker 3: being fulfilled with that social stimulation she used to Yep. 89 00:04:40,573 --> 00:04:42,813 Speaker 6: Well, thank you fantastic. 90 00:04:42,413 --> 00:04:44,853 Speaker 4: Think if you call Anna it sounds like Charlie's a 91 00:04:44,853 --> 00:04:46,973 Speaker 4: bit of a challenging animal. But that makes total sense 92 00:04:47,013 --> 00:04:48,933 Speaker 4: that they're what you're saying. Of course, cats don't keep 93 00:04:48,933 --> 00:04:49,813 Speaker 4: the same oles as us. 94 00:04:49,853 --> 00:04:50,613 Speaker 5: So we're like, I. 95 00:04:50,573 --> 00:04:52,413 Speaker 4: Don't know why, I've never thought about this, but you're 96 00:04:52,413 --> 00:04:54,213 Speaker 4: getting annoyed at them, but they're like, what are you 97 00:04:54,253 --> 00:04:55,813 Speaker 4: guys doing lying unconsciousness? 98 00:04:56,733 --> 00:04:57,053 Speaker 2: Come on? 99 00:05:00,813 --> 00:05:01,093 Speaker 7: Yeah? 100 00:05:01,173 --> 00:05:04,653 Speaker 4: Okay, So your questions for Mark VIDI one hundred and 101 00:05:04,653 --> 00:05:06,373 Speaker 4: eighty ten eighty. 102 00:05:06,413 --> 00:05:08,573 Speaker 2: Text question here for your Mark. Hi there, I have 103 00:05:08,573 --> 00:05:11,053 Speaker 2: a ball mast of cross lab eighteen months old and 104 00:05:11,093 --> 00:05:13,213 Speaker 2: I am wondering what kind of dog would you recommend 105 00:05:13,253 --> 00:05:15,333 Speaker 2: to keep him company? We don't want another big dog 106 00:05:15,373 --> 00:05:17,213 Speaker 2: and he is fixed. We are just for a feeling 107 00:05:17,333 --> 00:05:19,853 Speaker 2: sorry for him looking lonely a lot of the time. 108 00:05:20,053 --> 00:05:23,413 Speaker 2: Sarah from PARMI, Yeah, I. 109 00:05:23,333 --> 00:05:25,373 Speaker 3: Mean you normally do want a dog of kind of 110 00:05:25,453 --> 00:05:29,573 Speaker 3: similar size. You know, the ball massive lab is a big, 111 00:05:29,613 --> 00:05:32,213 Speaker 3: pretty big breed, and you probably don't want to get 112 00:05:32,213 --> 00:05:36,213 Speaker 3: a toy. You know, their play levels are quite different 113 00:05:36,213 --> 00:05:38,693 Speaker 3: in the way they play are quite different. So medium 114 00:05:38,733 --> 00:05:42,133 Speaker 3: sized breed because it's got lab and ball masses. They're 115 00:05:42,133 --> 00:05:44,893 Speaker 3: both pretty laid back breeds, so it should get on 116 00:05:44,973 --> 00:05:48,133 Speaker 3: with just about any breed. So it really more particularly 117 00:05:48,173 --> 00:05:50,653 Speaker 3: comes down the webit to size in relation to the 118 00:05:50,693 --> 00:05:53,933 Speaker 3: dog's activity levels, So keeping it about a medium sized 119 00:05:53,933 --> 00:05:55,973 Speaker 3: dog at the minimum. I wouldn't go down to a 120 00:05:56,013 --> 00:06:00,733 Speaker 3: toy very easily, particularly if it's still a playful dog. 121 00:06:01,053 --> 00:06:03,693 Speaker 3: And of course for them to be able to play 122 00:06:03,693 --> 00:06:06,053 Speaker 3: at a similar level, it's nice to have similar kinds 123 00:06:06,053 --> 00:06:09,893 Speaker 3: of play. Different breeds have different plays type in ways 124 00:06:09,893 --> 00:06:13,973 Speaker 3: of interacting believable, So so that's you're trying to hit 125 00:06:14,013 --> 00:06:17,013 Speaker 3: them as close as possible, so they enjoy playing together. 126 00:06:17,293 --> 00:06:17,733 Speaker 2: Very good. 127 00:06:18,573 --> 00:06:19,973 Speaker 4: You've got a question for Mark. 128 00:06:21,293 --> 00:06:25,973 Speaker 8: Yes, can I speak a little Espaniel to ask you? 129 00:06:27,453 --> 00:06:28,933 Speaker 3: I give given English for me. 130 00:06:29,493 --> 00:06:33,253 Speaker 8: Okay, Well you know what the yama is? Lama, Yama? 131 00:06:33,333 --> 00:06:42,213 Speaker 8: I think twice here, Lama, yeah, yama. Is it legal 132 00:06:42,573 --> 00:06:45,093 Speaker 8: to have one in your backyard? I've seen them on 133 00:06:45,173 --> 00:06:47,813 Speaker 8: my heir key and I know they're over on the 134 00:06:47,853 --> 00:06:50,533 Speaker 8: north Shore. But is there a law? 135 00:06:53,413 --> 00:06:57,933 Speaker 3: Good question, a US question, but good question the first person. 136 00:06:58,173 --> 00:07:00,813 Speaker 3: If it's in a in a rural area, no problem, 137 00:07:01,493 --> 00:07:03,533 Speaker 3: you know, and that can be a family in the 138 00:07:03,613 --> 00:07:06,933 Speaker 3: rural area perhaps earlier. But if you're in an urban 139 00:07:07,053 --> 00:07:09,933 Speaker 3: situation then you'll need a lot license. But it's probably 140 00:07:09,933 --> 00:07:13,493 Speaker 3: important to think about one important thing. Lama's are a 141 00:07:13,533 --> 00:07:15,573 Speaker 3: social animal. They need to be in the social group, 142 00:07:16,013 --> 00:07:17,493 Speaker 3: so need. 143 00:07:20,973 --> 00:07:22,253 Speaker 4: How much space. Have you got, Helga. 144 00:07:22,893 --> 00:07:25,493 Speaker 8: I've got a townhouse, a new one in Fans. 145 00:07:25,533 --> 00:07:30,373 Speaker 2: Place, right, you can't get too many lambers in the 146 00:07:30,573 --> 00:07:31,773 Speaker 2: I don't like the option. 147 00:07:33,293 --> 00:07:37,933 Speaker 8: Townhouse, No town side. We've got a pick up high 148 00:07:38,133 --> 00:07:38,973 Speaker 8: used to be where. 149 00:07:38,813 --> 00:07:42,453 Speaker 3: The race sources are the glass Oh yeah, oh yeah, 150 00:07:43,173 --> 00:07:45,573 Speaker 3: you can always check out what the city Canceled'll tell. 151 00:07:45,413 --> 00:07:48,093 Speaker 4: You what, Mark, what's the minimum. 152 00:07:47,813 --> 00:07:50,413 Speaker 3: Of the special license if you've got the needs that 153 00:07:50,573 --> 00:07:52,653 Speaker 3: need to be met by that species in terms of 154 00:07:52,653 --> 00:07:53,613 Speaker 3: it's your main care. 155 00:07:54,053 --> 00:07:56,573 Speaker 4: What are the minimum amount of lamas that you should have? Mark? 156 00:07:58,013 --> 00:08:00,373 Speaker 5: Well, you'd probably want three minimum, but. 157 00:08:02,013 --> 00:08:02,613 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. 158 00:08:02,733 --> 00:08:03,253 Speaker 6: And the. 159 00:08:04,813 --> 00:08:06,933 Speaker 4: Time, and thank you for your call, Helga. 160 00:08:07,213 --> 00:08:07,653 Speaker 2: Very good. 161 00:08:08,053 --> 00:08:12,693 Speaker 4: Don't you've got a dash and poppy puppy? Poppy puppy 162 00:08:12,693 --> 00:08:13,853 Speaker 4: do you want to talk to Mark about? 163 00:08:14,933 --> 00:08:15,933 Speaker 9: Thank you? Mark? 164 00:08:15,973 --> 00:08:20,733 Speaker 10: Great? Have you on the show. We've got a proxibly 165 00:08:20,773 --> 00:08:25,053 Speaker 10: six months old that's unpuppy. A female, very hard toilet train. 166 00:08:25,653 --> 00:08:31,933 Speaker 10: We have a butch oven we fager outside regularly. She 167 00:08:32,053 --> 00:08:35,573 Speaker 10: gets a treat when when the when the job's done. 168 00:08:36,253 --> 00:08:40,413 Speaker 10: We've had the match down in the house, but she'll 169 00:08:40,453 --> 00:08:42,292 Speaker 10: still go pretty much anywhere at times. 170 00:08:43,612 --> 00:08:47,252 Speaker 3: Yeah, so what I normally do. And you know, I mean, 171 00:08:47,533 --> 00:08:50,852 Speaker 3: we've got a code for a puppy school dogs in 172 00:08:51,093 --> 00:08:54,652 Speaker 3: fifty if you want to jump on and and for 173 00:08:54,732 --> 00:08:57,772 Speaker 3: at least a month or two. And I explained to 174 00:08:57,813 --> 00:09:01,052 Speaker 3: you in detail what I consider and recommend is the 175 00:09:01,132 --> 00:09:05,453 Speaker 3: best house training approach and basically just put it simply, 176 00:09:05,612 --> 00:09:09,292 Speaker 3: it requires an area with a create inside because I 177 00:09:09,413 --> 00:09:13,172 Speaker 3: like to create train my puppies the surface inside that 178 00:09:13,333 --> 00:09:16,653 Speaker 3: pen I tend to use plastic down an astro too, 179 00:09:16,813 --> 00:09:19,133 Speaker 3: but you can use other things because what they're going 180 00:09:19,213 --> 00:09:21,533 Speaker 3: to learn is based on the substrate under their feet 181 00:09:22,132 --> 00:09:23,852 Speaker 3: where they toilet. That's what they're going to want to 182 00:09:23,892 --> 00:09:26,533 Speaker 3: toilet on into the future, So choose something. Of course, 183 00:09:26,533 --> 00:09:28,292 Speaker 3: it's not going to be found in the house, and 184 00:09:28,453 --> 00:09:30,252 Speaker 3: that's in the pen erea. If that pen ere you 185 00:09:30,293 --> 00:09:32,933 Speaker 3: can have a doged or out, that's perfect. And we'd 186 00:09:33,053 --> 00:09:35,533 Speaker 3: rather that goes out pretty close to a grassy area 187 00:09:35,653 --> 00:09:38,293 Speaker 3: or a garden. And because of course we really want 188 00:09:38,413 --> 00:09:41,132 Speaker 3: to can't toilet out they're not inside. But what you're 189 00:09:41,132 --> 00:09:43,892 Speaker 3: doing is you're generalizing the concept of the crate or 190 00:09:43,933 --> 00:09:48,053 Speaker 3: their den slowly into the house. If you can imagine 191 00:09:48,093 --> 00:09:50,253 Speaker 3: that they don't have a concept of the house of course. 192 00:09:50,372 --> 00:09:53,492 Speaker 3: So once you start, when you create an your pen 193 00:09:53,573 --> 00:09:56,093 Speaker 3: which they can toilet and then outside to the only 194 00:09:56,173 --> 00:09:59,813 Speaker 3: other option. Then during that time, whenever they come into 195 00:09:59,892 --> 00:10:02,933 Speaker 3: the house and they're under super they should be under supervision, 196 00:10:03,173 --> 00:10:06,612 Speaker 3: certainly after half an hour of toileting, certainly within an 197 00:10:06,612 --> 00:10:10,173 Speaker 3: hour of toileting after that point. I normally clip station 198 00:10:10,333 --> 00:10:12,893 Speaker 3: train them, which is a technique I teach to teach 199 00:10:12,973 --> 00:10:14,973 Speaker 3: them to line a bed with a little clip station 200 00:10:15,453 --> 00:10:17,453 Speaker 3: and they won't toilet on that either. So you can 201 00:10:17,573 --> 00:10:19,693 Speaker 3: leave them there, you leave them in a crate, you 202 00:10:19,773 --> 00:10:21,292 Speaker 3: can have them on what I call them a bullock 203 00:10:21,372 --> 00:10:23,412 Speaker 3: or cord where I run a line off my waist 204 00:10:23,892 --> 00:10:27,132 Speaker 3: when I'm working and training them, and otherwise don't leave 205 00:10:27,132 --> 00:10:29,652 Speaker 3: them on supervised for that for a few months because 206 00:10:30,892 --> 00:10:33,653 Speaker 3: obviously they don't know what to toilet on at that point. 207 00:10:34,012 --> 00:10:36,252 Speaker 3: But that's the design. If you jump on the course, 208 00:10:36,333 --> 00:10:39,693 Speaker 3: there's got several hundred families on the course, so everyone's 209 00:10:39,773 --> 00:10:42,052 Speaker 3: working at this stuff, and so you're working with them. 210 00:10:42,813 --> 00:10:45,213 Speaker 3: There's a closed Facebook page, so you get to see 211 00:10:45,252 --> 00:10:47,933 Speaker 3: and everyone's talking about how they're going and their issues, 212 00:10:48,852 --> 00:10:52,852 Speaker 3: and I'm there to advise, but it really gives you 213 00:10:52,973 --> 00:10:58,453 Speaker 3: the most simple way to do it, considering the way 214 00:10:58,573 --> 00:11:00,293 Speaker 3: dogs learn to house train. 215 00:11:02,093 --> 00:11:04,733 Speaker 10: Thanks very much about that's rot advice appreciate. 216 00:11:06,093 --> 00:11:06,532 Speaker 3: On the score. 217 00:11:06,612 --> 00:11:11,532 Speaker 4: Thanks have you called don So? Look we've got we've 218 00:11:11,573 --> 00:11:14,933 Speaker 4: got Ginny here, you've got a demented cat that's chewing 219 00:11:15,012 --> 00:11:18,373 Speaker 4: and stealing. Mark. Here's Ginny. 220 00:11:19,732 --> 00:11:24,852 Speaker 7: Hi, Hi, Matt. My cat's three years old and she's 221 00:11:24,892 --> 00:11:27,933 Speaker 7: a wee sweetly she really is well, but then she's 222 00:11:27,973 --> 00:11:31,333 Speaker 7: got a different side to her, like she'll jump up 223 00:11:32,012 --> 00:11:36,933 Speaker 7: and jump up on the in the bench in the kitchen, 224 00:11:37,492 --> 00:11:39,973 Speaker 7: which is not supposed to be there, and she will 225 00:11:40,053 --> 00:11:43,453 Speaker 7: look at me and then she'll slide everything off the 226 00:11:43,573 --> 00:11:49,012 Speaker 7: bench onto the floor and it tries to chew the 227 00:11:49,173 --> 00:11:55,053 Speaker 7: cord on the computer. She will completely annihilate toilet paper. 228 00:11:56,213 --> 00:12:00,813 Speaker 7: She steals things like my top plate, my glasses. You'll 229 00:12:00,852 --> 00:12:02,973 Speaker 7: take them outside on top of the tool sheet. 230 00:12:04,293 --> 00:12:04,813 Speaker 4: What's her name? 231 00:12:07,293 --> 00:12:08,573 Speaker 7: Well, it's a bit of a story. 232 00:12:08,933 --> 00:12:09,253 Speaker 8: Quickly. 233 00:12:10,093 --> 00:12:13,012 Speaker 7: I've got to cat cakes and I named them mulo 234 00:12:14,053 --> 00:12:17,093 Speaker 7: and chairs. And my husband said, you're not naming this 235 00:12:17,333 --> 00:12:19,813 Speaker 7: cat after wine, so it's named that. 236 00:12:19,933 --> 00:12:30,133 Speaker 5: Bourbon Short's the problems to be played with, Yeah, pots 237 00:12:30,213 --> 00:12:31,372 Speaker 5: lobbing are. 238 00:12:32,813 --> 00:12:37,333 Speaker 3: To is to enrich their environment. And normally what I 239 00:12:37,533 --> 00:12:39,372 Speaker 3: like to do. One of the things is cats like 240 00:12:39,492 --> 00:12:41,892 Speaker 3: high spots, so I always like to make sure in 241 00:12:42,252 --> 00:12:45,173 Speaker 3: the house I've got some cat runways that are above 242 00:12:46,372 --> 00:12:50,292 Speaker 3: things like the bench and those kind of places. So 243 00:12:51,132 --> 00:12:53,732 Speaker 3: and I want on xous way up to that, and 244 00:12:54,173 --> 00:12:56,933 Speaker 3: I want and the idea would also like an exis 245 00:12:56,973 --> 00:12:59,573 Speaker 3: into a bit of a cadio. It always has another 246 00:13:00,093 --> 00:13:04,053 Speaker 3: diverse kind of environment where you can plant have riching 247 00:13:04,213 --> 00:13:06,772 Speaker 3: toys and those kind of things. They really need to 248 00:13:06,933 --> 00:13:12,413 Speaker 3: have enrichment cats and so enriching them with the regular 249 00:13:12,453 --> 00:13:14,453 Speaker 3: play sessions and so that's. 250 00:13:17,333 --> 00:13:17,653 Speaker 8: Toys. 251 00:13:19,093 --> 00:13:20,133 Speaker 7: Yeah, I've got toys. 252 00:13:22,293 --> 00:13:25,252 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was pretty strongly on making sure I've got 253 00:13:25,413 --> 00:13:30,333 Speaker 3: vertical high walkways through the house where they can move 254 00:13:30,372 --> 00:13:34,293 Speaker 3: about instead of using the bench as as the area 255 00:13:34,333 --> 00:13:37,693 Speaker 3: where they want to go and play on. Certainly, I 256 00:13:38,213 --> 00:13:41,132 Speaker 3: sometimes I'll put something like tenfall or plastic up on 257 00:13:41,213 --> 00:13:44,412 Speaker 3: the bench to dissuade them. There is little things like 258 00:13:44,933 --> 00:13:49,573 Speaker 3: little motion controlled air admitters that just have a little 259 00:13:49,573 --> 00:13:52,612 Speaker 3: bit of a kind of them when they jump onto 260 00:13:52,653 --> 00:13:54,693 Speaker 3: those kind of spaces. So there's those kind of things 261 00:13:54,773 --> 00:13:58,732 Speaker 3: you can use as well. But really enriching, adding diversity 262 00:13:58,732 --> 00:14:02,492 Speaker 3: of the environment, adding play and stimulation opportunities, and of 263 00:14:02,573 --> 00:14:06,532 Speaker 3: course we want to displace them off any type of 264 00:14:06,653 --> 00:14:08,252 Speaker 3: bench tops and things like that, make sure they're not 265 00:14:08,372 --> 00:14:11,213 Speaker 3: fed on there or get any access to those spaces 266 00:14:11,293 --> 00:14:14,373 Speaker 3: and preference. But if you try that, Richings the real 267 00:14:14,453 --> 00:14:15,453 Speaker 3: trick in this situation. 268 00:14:15,773 --> 00:14:17,813 Speaker 4: Well, thank you. If you called Ginny and look, we've 269 00:14:17,852 --> 00:14:21,093 Speaker 4: got thousands of texts coming through and the lines a full. 270 00:14:21,133 --> 00:14:23,853 Speaker 4: We're not going to able to get to one hundredth 271 00:14:23,893 --> 00:14:25,293 Speaker 4: of the callers and texters. 272 00:14:25,533 --> 00:14:29,333 Speaker 2: Mark Vedas are Viti is our guest and animal behaviorists 273 00:14:29,693 --> 00:14:30,893 Speaker 2: tell us, how are you? 274 00:14:32,173 --> 00:14:32,293 Speaker 7: Hey? 275 00:14:32,333 --> 00:14:32,933 Speaker 9: You going? Guys? 276 00:14:33,413 --> 00:14:33,613 Speaker 5: Good? 277 00:14:33,733 --> 00:14:34,453 Speaker 2: You're on with Mark? 278 00:14:36,573 --> 00:14:37,412 Speaker 9: Hey? Hey, you going? Mark? 279 00:14:37,533 --> 00:14:37,693 Speaker 10: Hey? 280 00:14:37,733 --> 00:14:40,292 Speaker 9: I've got a four and a half year old male 281 00:14:40,413 --> 00:14:44,893 Speaker 9: rot wheeler and you know, predominantly eighty percent of the time. 282 00:14:45,173 --> 00:14:48,013 Speaker 9: You know, he's really good. He's sort of been socialized. 283 00:14:48,013 --> 00:14:50,093 Speaker 9: Took him to the dog parks when he was young, 284 00:14:50,253 --> 00:14:54,293 Speaker 9: no problems, but sort of like now when we walk 285 00:14:54,333 --> 00:14:57,412 Speaker 9: in him, we walk them off the lead up to 286 00:14:57,533 --> 00:14:59,613 Speaker 9: the rail park and if we come across the other dogs, 287 00:14:59,693 --> 00:15:02,693 Speaker 9: he's all good. But you know, like some other you know, 288 00:15:03,293 --> 00:15:04,932 Speaker 9: dog going and sort of freak out, so then we 289 00:15:05,333 --> 00:15:07,133 Speaker 9: will go to grab him and put them on the lead. 290 00:15:07,213 --> 00:15:09,093 Speaker 9: But as soon as you're sort of such as colo 291 00:15:09,213 --> 00:15:11,053 Speaker 9: or put him on the lead, he sort of turns 292 00:15:11,053 --> 00:15:13,813 Speaker 9: into Kujo and gets real air grown. And the same 293 00:15:13,893 --> 00:15:18,133 Speaker 9: with when he's in a vehicle. Yeah, towards you, no, 294 00:15:18,373 --> 00:15:22,172 Speaker 9: not towards the other doorwards the other dogs. Yeah, like 295 00:15:22,293 --> 00:15:24,453 Speaker 9: he can be happy. He just wants to play. But 296 00:15:24,573 --> 00:15:26,053 Speaker 9: as soon as you're sort of like, oh, we're out 297 00:15:26,093 --> 00:15:28,133 Speaker 9: of here and try and grab them, he gets a 298 00:15:28,293 --> 00:15:29,173 Speaker 9: row towards the other. 299 00:15:29,093 --> 00:15:33,573 Speaker 3: Dog, right, Okay, And is he this desect or not? 300 00:15:35,053 --> 00:15:39,093 Speaker 9: He is probably about six months ago we desect them, 301 00:15:39,213 --> 00:15:41,253 Speaker 9: and I think that has made it worse. 302 00:15:42,373 --> 00:15:46,213 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it shouldn't. But but interestinct when you leave 303 00:15:46,253 --> 00:15:49,253 Speaker 3: it that to that lake. You know, he's fully mature 304 00:15:49,333 --> 00:15:52,333 Speaker 3: by two and a half, you know, so so he's 305 00:15:52,773 --> 00:15:55,932 Speaker 3: he's got all his masculine secondary sexual characteristics, which is 306 00:15:56,333 --> 00:15:58,613 Speaker 3: part of that his dominance, particularly the rotis of course 307 00:15:58,653 --> 00:16:00,853 Speaker 3: they're pretty dominant. But sounds like you're don't putt you 308 00:16:00,853 --> 00:16:03,853 Speaker 3: a job with the socialization generally, So that's good news. 309 00:16:04,253 --> 00:16:05,893 Speaker 3: What I'll be doing what I teach in it, and 310 00:16:06,013 --> 00:16:09,292 Speaker 3: you can if you want to jump on dogs in 311 00:16:09,413 --> 00:16:11,693 Speaker 3: dot com and go dogs in fifty and just jump 312 00:16:11,773 --> 00:16:15,093 Speaker 3: on for a month fifty percent of the rate. Then 313 00:16:15,813 --> 00:16:17,733 Speaker 3: have a look at the meet and greet technique that 314 00:16:17,813 --> 00:16:21,213 Speaker 3: I teach, and that meet and greet technique is using 315 00:16:21,253 --> 00:16:25,373 Speaker 3: clicker training and lead and the color and you're working them. 316 00:16:25,773 --> 00:16:29,733 Speaker 3: And we start with working with good dogs in controlled situations, 317 00:16:29,773 --> 00:16:32,213 Speaker 3: and that's the trick. We need to teach him or 318 00:16:32,293 --> 00:16:35,813 Speaker 3: reteach him how to behave in that context where you engage, 319 00:16:35,893 --> 00:16:38,653 Speaker 3: you know, where you get involved. And of course part 320 00:16:38,693 --> 00:16:41,373 Speaker 3: of that getting involved is normally because he's starting to 321 00:16:41,453 --> 00:16:45,533 Speaker 3: potentially read but possibly so what we're wanting to happen 322 00:16:45,573 --> 00:16:47,533 Speaker 3: in that situation is want to keep them a learning state. 323 00:16:47,893 --> 00:16:49,693 Speaker 3: That's all. We use a clicker. We want to click 324 00:16:49,733 --> 00:16:51,573 Speaker 3: more of water and teach him how to both withdraw 325 00:16:51,693 --> 00:16:53,653 Speaker 3: and we ask him to come when you call him 326 00:16:54,013 --> 00:16:57,813 Speaker 3: and leave it, you know, leave the situation alone and 327 00:16:58,013 --> 00:17:01,573 Speaker 3: not redirect, which is what he's doing in that situation. Wow, 328 00:17:02,693 --> 00:17:05,493 Speaker 3: it's a pretty simple technique, but it's an important one 329 00:17:05,533 --> 00:17:08,853 Speaker 3: particular for Rodiana to learn because when they fire off 330 00:17:08,893 --> 00:17:10,973 Speaker 3: and then the crack of the dog thanks and going 331 00:17:11,013 --> 00:17:11,613 Speaker 3: wrong real quick. 332 00:17:11,693 --> 00:17:13,973 Speaker 4: So we'll have that help Dallas and Mark, Hey, thank 333 00:17:14,013 --> 00:17:14,533 Speaker 4: you so much. 334 00:17:14,613 --> 00:17:15,013 Speaker 7: We've just that. 335 00:17:15,133 --> 00:17:17,373 Speaker 4: You wouldn't believe how many texts and phone calls we've 336 00:17:17,413 --> 00:17:19,333 Speaker 4: come through. So we'll have to get you on it again. 337 00:17:19,413 --> 00:17:21,813 Speaker 4: And thank you. You're a great New Zealander, so I 338 00:17:21,933 --> 00:17:25,493 Speaker 4: appreciate spending some time with you all good man and. 339 00:17:25,693 --> 00:17:28,373 Speaker 3: Straight on to the public, the schools and little sort 340 00:17:28,413 --> 00:17:29,213 Speaker 3: of man at the other end. 341 00:17:29,373 --> 00:17:32,013 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Mark will catch up again in a few weeks, 342 00:17:32,053 --> 00:17:34,253 Speaker 2: thank you very much. You can catch Mark Vidi at 343 00:17:34,333 --> 00:17:36,573 Speaker 2: dogs in dot com. That is us for today. 344 00:17:36,693 --> 00:17:39,133 Speaker 4: Yeah, an apologies to everyone who didn't get through boy 345 00:17:39,213 --> 00:17:41,493 Speaker 4: over where. 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