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Speaker 1: A, questions, answers, facts, analysis, The Drive show you trust

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Speaker 1: for the full picture. Heather Dupersy on Drive with one

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, there are

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Speaker 3: calls for a Royal Commission of inquiry after two mental

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Speaker 3: health patients managed to murder twice, each of them the

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Speaker 3: mental Health Minister after five Trump's left the G seven early.

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Speaker 3: We're going to go to Charles Croucher who was there

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Speaker 3: and apparently gen Z has basically no leadership aspirations, so

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Speaker 3: we'll find out why.

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Speaker 4: Heather Dupericy.

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Speaker 3: Alisn't you offended by the swearing in the Select Committee today,

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Speaker 3: because if I'm completely honest with you, I'm not to

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Speaker 3: the extent that I'm actually surprised that this is a

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Speaker 3: minor news story. Today feels to me like every single

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Speaker 3: the fact that Deborah Russell and Duncan Labor Duncle and

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Speaker 3: Duncan Webb from Labor both swore about David Seymour and

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Speaker 3: the Select Committee scrutiny hearing for his regulation ministry. Deborah said,

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Speaker 3: for f's sake, under her breath, except it wasn't really

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Speaker 3: and then she had to apologize and Duncan said of

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Speaker 3: David Seymour that he was making shit up. David is

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Speaker 3: not happy about this. David says he is astonished he's

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Speaker 3: accused the Labour Party of being a rabble and he

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Speaker 3: says he hasn't seen MP's casually swearing in a select

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Speaker 3: committee like that in eleven years now. David may be right,

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Speaker 3: but I feel like this is performative outrage from him,

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Speaker 3: because I think there is a political strategy here from

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Speaker 3: I mean, to be fair, we have absolutely been discussing

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Speaker 3: standards dropping in Parliament, but we've been talking about is

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Speaker 3: a lot more serious than just an F bomb under

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Speaker 3: Deborah's breath. I don't think that most of us will

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Speaker 3: if I could hazard a guess at what you're thinking,

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Speaker 3: I don't think most of us will be offended, because

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Speaker 3: I think that we can see there's a difference between

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Speaker 3: bomb in a written column as opposed to you know,

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Speaker 3: someone muttering a five out of ten square word like

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Speaker 3: and as keywis we love to swear, don't we? We

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Speaker 3: swear more than most people. There was research they came

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not particularly offended by this. I

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Speaker 3: don't even think that this is really news. I also

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Speaker 3: think politicians have to be a little careful at what

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Speaker 4: Heather Duplice Ellen, I want to know what you think.

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Speaker 3: Nine two nine two is the text number. Standard text

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Speaker 3: fees apply now. There is a disagreement between the government

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Speaker 3: and housing providers over the state of homelessness. Advocates say

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Speaker 3: homelessness has reached a crisis point, but Associate Housing Minister

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Speaker 3: common in some areas, but he reckons the government's policies

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Speaker 3: and not contributing to the situation now, Hi Hai hutui

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Speaker 3: hi to Barrett is the CEO of Life Wise and

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Speaker 3: it is with us now, High Hidu.

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Speaker 5: Calder, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm very very well, thank you. What is the state

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Speaker 5: State of homelessness? So well, it's very visual right now

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Speaker 5: of our rough sleepers across our ted we're looking at

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Speaker 3: So is it mime we've ever seen?

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Speaker 5: It's in my years and that's like nearly twenty years

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Speaker 3: And can we blame government policies for this?

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Speaker 5: We can definitely blame decisions that have been made from

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Speaker 3: So are you saying that these are people people who

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Speaker 5: Yes, they've been through motels, they've been through transitional housing,

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Speaker 5: In their view, they are with family and friends that

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Speaker 3: Are they actively choosing to be on the streets like

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Speaker 5: Yes, they are to stay out on the street.

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Speaker 3: Can we actually blame the government all that if this

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Speaker 5: We know that they're out on the streets. But what

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Speaker 5: I understand affordable housing? I do understand those initiatives, But

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Speaker 5: the crisis that we've seen and that we need to

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Speaker 5: respond to these people will not get even near affordable housing.

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Speaker 5: It's mental health and addictions. And so the ones that

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Speaker 5: And I've been putting this across to health for a

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Speaker 3: Is the solution here? Those homeless shouters.

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Speaker 5: Homeless shelters from when rough sleeping first started, We're not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's quite convin Thanks for talking us through it.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. That'shi to Barrett, who's the Life

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Speaker 3: Yesterday on the show, we were talking about the fact

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Speaker 2: Do you have a middle name? Heather to Pless Yellen.

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Speaker 3: To be unkind to people. I always find it weird

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Speaker 3: Now Ardie Savia. This is not altogether a surprise that

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Speaker 3: She's what big bass league Penny doing that stuff on scholarship.

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Speaker 3: Cool, Thank you, Darcy Crispin, appreciate it. That's Elizabeth Darcy Watergrave.

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Speaker 3: The swearing in the Select Committee is completely unacceptable by

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Speaker 8: Now.

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Speaker 10: an end. Again, many options have been sloaded, from a

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Speaker 3: Trump's early departure means that albow has been stood up. Thankfully,

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Speaker 6: We're proceeding with that.

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Speaker 7: It's a really important deal to both of us.

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Speaker 11: I think the person that was doing a review, we

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Speaker 2: We're very long time for partners and allies and friends,

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Speaker 3: And finally, you're.

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Speaker 4: Just a pink little man who's far too slow on

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Speaker 4: the draw.

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Speaker 3: Thirty contestants have taken part in a Pedro Pascal lookalike

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Speaker 3: contest at a Mexican restaurant. In New York City. The

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Murriol's Ossie corresponds to US now Mars.

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Speaker 6: Hello and good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 3: How's elbow feeling about this?

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Speaker 6: We don't know.

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Speaker 12: do you When you go into a room with Donald Trump,

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Speaker 12: But certainly he was very encouraged by those remarks from

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Speaker 12: It's full steam ahead. But of course it's not until

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Speaker 12: Donald Trump says it is. So perhaps Anthony Albinizi has

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Speaker 12: dodged a bullet. He did want to obviously bring up

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Speaker 12: the Orchest submarine deal. He also wanted to talk about tariffs,

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Speaker 12: because I mean, the fact of the matter is either

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Speaker 12: Donald Trump doesn't understand how trade works or he doesn't

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Speaker 12: give her rats because the trade surplus is all in

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Speaker 12: America's favor when it comes to Australia. So that's the

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Speaker 12: point that no doubt Albanez he wanted to make. He

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Speaker 12: will have a chance to see him twice later this year.

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Speaker 12: There's the UN meets Leaders meeting in New York in September.

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Speaker 12: The Quad Dialogue's going to be held in India. So look,

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Speaker 12: it's not all It's not all doom and gloom. As

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Speaker 12: far as the Australians are concerned, I'm sure mass have.

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Speaker 3: They finished the summing up of the arguments in the

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Speaker 3: mushroom shift trim.

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Speaker 6: Not yet. The prosecution finished this morning.

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Speaker 12: Defense was getting under way around lunchtime. Basically, what the

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Speaker 12: prosecution has said Aaron Patterson is a multiple murderer, and

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Speaker 12: she's told so many lies it's hard to know where

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Speaker 12: they start and where they finish. The prosecution's accused her

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Speaker 12: of killing three relatives with a poisonous meal, attempting to

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Speaker 12: kill a fourth. They say she's basically lied or her

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Speaker 12: teeth in main areas while she fabricated the claim that

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Speaker 12: she had cancer.

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Speaker 6: To get them to the lunch, she made individual portions of.

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Speaker 12: Beef Wellington rather than the great big beef, fill it

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Speaker 12: and then serve them on different plates.

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Speaker 6: The four plates that.

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Speaker 12: The dead and injured eight their meal off were different

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Speaker 12: to her plate. She also pretended to be ill after

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Speaker 12: the lunch so it wouldn't be suspicious. In fact, as

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Speaker 12: I say, the prosecutions had so many lives it was

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Speaker 12: difficult to keep up. Defense says, well, you've just cherry

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Speaker 12: picked all the evidence, and there was quite a bit

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Speaker 12: of it. She was in the witness box for eight

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Speaker 12: for six for eight days, A big your pardon, and

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Speaker 12: the defense lawyer asked the jury to consider if deathcaf

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Speaker 12: mushrooms could have gone under the meal by accident, and secondly,

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Speaker 12: would it be a reasonable possibility that she did not

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Speaker 12: intend to kill her injured her guests, and if either.

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Speaker 6: Of those propositions was acceptable to the jury.

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Speaker 12: Defense maintained you were obliged to find this patison not guilty.

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Speaker 12: So when our last checked it was ongoing. Not sure

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Speaker 12: how long it will go.

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Speaker 3: But so basically we can say today or tomorrow it

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Speaker 3: should wrap our ay.

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Speaker 6: Oh gosh, yeah, I would absolutely say so.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing what happens here. Listen,

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Speaker 3: what's going on with you people in Sydney? So you

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Speaker 3: got three people shot in broad daylight?

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Speaker 12: Yep, it was a kebab shop in western Sydney a

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Speaker 12: quarter past one on the afternoon at Auburn.

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Speaker 6: It's a very busy part of the city.

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Speaker 12: And two guys and they believe stolen Audi with fake

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Speaker 12: number plates. They simply jump out of the car and

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Speaker 12: broad daylight, walk up at the front of the shop.

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Speaker 12: A couple of handguns bang bang, bang, and eight shots

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Speaker 12: and all were fired.

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Speaker 6: They say.

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Speaker 12: Police believe well in terms of the victims of fifty

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Speaker 12: five year old woman who was just working in the shops.

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Speaker 12: She's got shot twice in the body, and they say

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Speaker 12: there was an Underworld figure known to police. He was

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Speaker 12: shot in the arm and his elbow. And the third

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Speaker 12: person was a man. They understand it may have been

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Speaker 12: the guy's bodyguard. He was shot in the face and

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Speaker 12: he's in a very serious condition. And all this is

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Speaker 12: over the Underworld drug trade in Sydney and the fact

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Speaker 12: that there apparently has been like a minor gang that

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Speaker 12: was available for killings.

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Speaker 6: For hire game was split up.

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Speaker 12: Some freelancers have gone out on their own and this

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Speaker 12: is apparently caused turmoil in the Underworld drugs and free

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Speaker 12: lance killers.

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Speaker 6: I mean, it's like something out of a movie, but

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Speaker 6: it's happening in the streets of Sydney.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's your next episode of Underworld, isn't it. Whatever

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Speaker 3: it was called Underballet.

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Speaker 6: Underbelly, remember, and that was real. That was real, down

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Speaker 6: and valve. That was fascinating too.

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Speaker 3: Totally muz listen, thanks very much, appreciate it. Murray Old's

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Speaker 3: Australia correspondent hither I can tell you what didn't start

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Speaker 3: the fire at New World, and that's their red hot prices.

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Speaker 3: Actually particularly that one. That one was known for being

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Speaker 3: the opposite of red hot prices. In fact, was it

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Speaker 3: not one of the most expensive in the country. I

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Speaker 3: think it was. It was that one. All Schafers in Wellington,

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Speaker 3: those two often took out the old title here the

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Speaker 3: tri buying try buying tinned pineapple, cheapest chips and already

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Speaker 3: diced tony. There is a tony. No, there is a

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Speaker 3: time and a place for tinned pineapple, and it is

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Speaker 3: not when you're trying to eat a fresh pineapple.

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Speaker 1: Sixteen away from five politics was centric credit, check your

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Speaker 1: customers and get payments.

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Speaker 4: Curtay with us.

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Speaker 3: Now we have Jason Wall's news talk z bes politically

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Speaker 3: as Hi, Jason, good afternoon, Heather. Who cares about the swearing?

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Speaker 3: It wasn't even that bad.

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Speaker 13: Well in the scheme of things, No, And I was

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Speaker 13: just actually having quite an interesting chat with your producer

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Speaker 13: there just about the consistencies here. I mean David Seymour

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Speaker 13: obviously talking about how bad he thinks the swearing is

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Speaker 13: and the standards of this place. But it was one

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Speaker 13: It was his deputy leader that dropped the sea bomb

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Speaker 13: in the house a couple of weeks ago. Now, admittedly

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Speaker 13: completely different circumstances. I would say that arguably Brook van

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Speaker 13: Velden was using it sort of more to defend herself

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Speaker 13: and what had been thrown at her and her fellow

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Speaker 13: ministerial colleagues. But today in the House, I mean, you know, listen, listen, listen.

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Speaker 13: If you hadn't heard it, here is how it went

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Speaker 13: down with Deborah Russell and David Semo this morning.

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Speaker 14: I'm sorry, what was the unparliamentary upis one thing I

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Speaker 14: should have kepped under my breath.

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Speaker 7: We'll just tell people like.

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Speaker 13: Parlimentary and I shoul so she was, she was quoting herself

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Speaker 13: and then she didn't have to say it like that.

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Speaker 13: She could have said for f's sake, but she did

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Speaker 13: it because you know, there was a little bit of

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Speaker 13: sort of it kind of gets all attention on it.

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Speaker 13: I mean, listen, we're talking about it right now. And

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Speaker 13: a few minutes later, Duncan Webb, Duncan Webb, who's also

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Speaker 13: Labor MP, said something similar.

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Speaker 7: Do you want to correct that or are you going

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Speaker 7: to keep saying something which is not accurate?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think you could argue with something that's not

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Speaker 8: the precise.

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Speaker 7: However, well, I would call it making up.

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Speaker 13: The interesting thing about the Duncan web one is that

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Speaker 13: I was on Instagram just before and he had clipped

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Speaker 13: that up himself and put it on his own Instagram.

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Speaker 13: So it's clearly a device that they're using to kind

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Speaker 13: of grab headlines here and being a little bit sweary

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Speaker 13: berry to get people interested in.

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 13: The thing that they were talking about before he said

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Speaker 13: that he was making quote shit up was regulations around

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Speaker 13: the how many parts per thousand milligrams are in flour.

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Speaker 13: And it's not exactly headline grabbing stuff. So it's all

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Speaker 13: a stun it's all. And we've talked about this before,

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Speaker 13: Heather sometimes the labor MPs and of course David Seymour

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Speaker 13: does it as well. They're go in wearing little lapel

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Speaker 13: makes to get it clipped up for their social media.

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Speaker 13: So it's all a bit of a game, okay.

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Speaker 3: And the thing about it is these guys, So first

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Speaker 3: of all, it Duncan Web is a NERD, so this

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Speaker 3: makes them a lot more accessible to the average person.

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Speaker 3: And is it not also so you can see why

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Speaker 3: it works for him to do this, but also is

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Speaker 3: it not rich from David Seymour, who fameless famously went

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Speaker 3: out and said the French love the cock and the

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Speaker 3: whole thing was contrived. So he himself knows how to

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Speaker 3: how to kind of, you know, get the get attention

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Speaker 3: for saying naughty things, doesn't he?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, And he did it before the twenty seventeen election

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Speaker 13: as well with the New Zealanders.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I just need to quickly clarify he

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Speaker 3: was talking about the bird.

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Speaker 6: The bird.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, you know they talk about the French and

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Speaker 13: the Robe team, but David Seymour had, I mean to

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Speaker 13: what you were saying. He has done this before. It

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Speaker 13: was Richard Prosser, who was a New Zealand first MP,

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Speaker 13: was talking about nationalizing the energy companies to a conference

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Speaker 13: and David Seymour stood up and said, what an effing

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Speaker 13: it in front of everybody, and we all got on

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Speaker 13: our laptops and we started writing stories up about how

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Speaker 13: David seymol said it. So politicians, and I've always said this,

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Speaker 13: they all have one f bomb in them that they

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Speaker 13: can use to grab attention without getting in trouble. You

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Speaker 13: just need to know when to use it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Now, what is this line in the sand

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Speaker 3: that Paul Goldsmith has drawn treaty.

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Speaker 13: Minister Paul Goldsmith said during a Select committee this morning

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Speaker 13: that the Government will not agree to a treaty settlement

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Speaker 13: that disputes whether the Crown is now sovereign, and that

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Speaker 13: includes any EWE which may have an agree to disagree

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Speaker 13: clause around whether or not Marty did seed sovereignty, such

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Speaker 13: as Stefan now Apanui, which has had such a clause

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Speaker 13: within its settlement negotiations. So in their deed notes, the

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Speaker 13: twelve hapu that make up the EWI consider that they

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Speaker 13: are a sovereign nation that never ceded sovereignty to the

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Speaker 13: Crown and retain that sovereignty today. Now, Goldsmith said the

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Speaker 13: government is uncomfortable with this agree to disagree clause and

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Speaker 13: it is not prepared to progress the settlement without that

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Speaker 13: being removed. So that was in the Select Committee today

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Speaker 13: and he said that it made it difficult in the

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Speaker 13: sense that you're signing up to a full and final settlement,

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Speaker 13: but the entity fundamentally doesn't acknowledge the authority of the

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Speaker 13: Crown to do it in that respect, and we were

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Speaker 13: and he says that the government wasn't comfortable with that,

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Speaker 13: and he went on to say the Crown's position is clear,

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Speaker 13: the Crown is sovereign and the Crown is simply the

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Speaker 13: representation of the democratic will of the people of New Zealand.

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Speaker 13: So there's a bit of a staush brewing there. So

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Speaker 13: we'll watch to see how this one plays out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very interesting. Hey, thanks very much, Jason, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: That's Jason Wall's newstorg zb's political editor. The Greens. Where's

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Speaker 3: the Greens here? The Green Party has released. Look, I

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Speaker 3: don't want to be that kind of person who says, oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to go read a thing, but I'm

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Speaker 3: just not because the Green Party has released its fiscal

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Speaker 3: plan and I think we all know why we're not

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Speaker 3: going to bother to read it, because it'll be written

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Speaker 3: in fairy dustin feature unicorns jumping through hopes and you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I've got better things to do with my time.

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Speaker 3: But I did read about it, and my favorite line

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Speaker 3: is this one from Green Party co leader Chloe Swarbrick,

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Speaker 3: who gave an interview in advance and said the plan

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Speaker 3: was about taking a step back and asking what is

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Speaker 3: this thing we call the economy? You can see why

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to read it aight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, The mic Hosking Breakfast.

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Speaker 2: And nearly one thousand families out of emergency housing.

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Speaker 15: Minister Chris Bishops back with this this great news. We're

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Speaker 15: really proud of it. There's a few things going on.

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Speaker 15: I mean the first is we adopted a policy. If

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Speaker 15: you're on the social housing weightlist and you've been in

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Speaker 15: emergency housing for twelve weeks or longer and you've got kids,

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Speaker 15: you go straight to the top of the waitlist, which

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Speaker 15: means that Coing Aura and the community housing sector can

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Speaker 15: take you out of that motel and you get the

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Speaker 15: first preference essentially to get into a social house. That's

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Speaker 15: made an enormous difference. Three years ago under labor at

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Speaker 15: one point we had over four thousand families living permanently

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Speaker 15: in these motels. Now we just top the view that

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Speaker 15: you were absolutely prioritiy number one. No one wants children

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Speaker 15: growing up in these motel room.

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Speaker 12: Back tomorrow at six am The mic Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 12: Avida News Talk ZB No.

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Speaker 3: Here there is Labour staff for attention so badly that

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Speaker 3: they had to swear to get some of it's childish. Well,

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Speaker 3: it's actually just just how politics works now, right, And

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Speaker 3: look they're getting the attention, so it worked four away

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Speaker 3: from five.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: I think this is interesting. There's been a survey that

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Speaker 3: has been done and it appears that Generation Z are

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Speaker 3: not particularly interested in becoming bosses at work or partners

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Speaker 3: or whatever it is that, you know, whatever, the high

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Speaker 3: high level of their job is. Generation Z are the

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Speaker 3: ones who are turning nine anywhere between nineteen to thirty

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Speaker 3: this year, right, so the youngest in the workforce at

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Speaker 3: the moment. Only six percent of them say they aspire

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Speaker 3: to leadership positions. It's not clear why. I mean, it

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Speaker 3: could be that they maybe they see how much sacrifice

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Speaker 3: older generations have put into to get it climbing the

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Speaker 3: corporate ladder. They don't want to do it. They don't

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Speaker 3: want to get burnout, they don't want to sacrifice their

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Speaker 3: life for that kind of thing. Maybe they've just got

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Speaker 3: more things going on in their life. Maybe they're satisfied

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Speaker 3: with the volunteering they're doing, all the clubs, they're whatever,

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Speaker 3: who knows. Who knows. Could be that they looked at

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Speaker 3: their heroes like Sheryl Sandberg and she turned out to

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Speaker 3: be you know, not awesome that kind of thing. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: we're gonna find out. We're actually gonna talk to one

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Speaker 3: of these people, Rowan O'Neill Stevens, who is a twenty

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Speaker 3: four year old deputy mayor of Nelson, as to why

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Speaker 3: they they're not that interested in getting ahead. Heather, New

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Speaker 3: World and Munga Phi has a pineapple machine and also

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Speaker 3: the one that squeezes the oranges for fresh juice. Well,

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Speaker 3: because you know ya, you know about people who live.

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Speaker 3: Munga Phi got a lot of money lately, so they've

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Speaker 3: got the double banged. Actually, we had one of those

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Speaker 3: those orange machines at the New World, but now it's

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Speaker 3: obviously also gone up in the old flames, so rip

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Speaker 3: to the orange machine as well. News talks that'd be.

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Speaker 1: Persons digging through the spin to find the real story story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather du for the on Drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

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Speaker 16: That'd be afternoon.

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Speaker 3: There is a call for a Royal Commission of Inquiry

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Speaker 3: into the forensic mental health system. This comes after two

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Speaker 3: people were recently killed by mental health patients, both after

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Speaker 3: each of these patients had already killed someone before. Matt

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Speaker 3: Doosey is the mental Health Minister and with us now,

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Speaker 3: how Matt Hi Heather, what do you think should we

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Speaker 3: have a Royal Commission of inquiry.

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Speaker 17: For those individual cases you're talking about? There is independent

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Speaker 17: reviews underway and coronial inquests, so I won't be commenting

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Speaker 17: until they've been completed.

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Speaker 3: Can you not tell us whether you're leaning towards a

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Speaker 3: Royal Commission of inquiry or not?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 17: Like I say, there is an independent review coronial inquest

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Speaker 17: that they'll make findings and recommendations.

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Speaker 3: Do you reckon? These are the only two cases.

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Speaker 5: The story?

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Speaker 17: Only two cases of what are these.

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Speaker 3: The only two cases of people who have killed twice

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Speaker 3: once while they're already in mental health care?

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Speaker 17: Oh okay, I'm not aware of any others.

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Speaker 3: Do you think it's remarkable that we have two cases already?

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Speaker 3: Because that's quite staggering, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 17: Well, I suppose that's why we have the independent reviews

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Speaker 17: and the coronial inquests.

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Speaker 3: How when you found out about this were you alarmed?

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Speaker 17: I think when you look at mental health, we've got

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Speaker 17: people under the Compulsory Mental Health Act. I mean, in

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Speaker 17: mental health it is about treatment and risk. But our

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Speaker 17: settings for our mental health patients are in legislation, and

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Speaker 17: you know, I think we do need to go through

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Speaker 17: the appropriate process.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that perhaps we've got the settings wrong? Right? So,

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Speaker 3: in at least one of the cases, this is the

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Speaker 3: killing of faith Alps, the family of faith Alps feel

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Speaker 3: that her rights to know that the guy who was

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Speaker 3: turning up at her house to do the gardening was

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Speaker 3: a mental health patient, that right was lesser than his

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Speaker 3: right to privacy, that she shouldn't know that he's a

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Speaker 3: mental health patient. Have we got that balance a bit funny?

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Speaker 17: Well, that's what I would be expecting to be looked Dowt,

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Speaker 17: with the external review and the cronial inquest, to be

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Speaker 17: looking at those issues around clinical decision making.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I want to ask you this a question again, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Were you alarmed when you heard about these cases?

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Speaker 17: Well, I'm always alarmed when sadly someone loses their life

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Speaker 17: and also when there's serious offenses, So of course I

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Speaker 17: am genuinely alarmed. And that's why I'm ensuring that there

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Speaker 17: is an independent review and a coronial inquest, and I

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Speaker 17: would expect them to look at the clinical decisions made

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Speaker 17: in each of those cases.

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Speaker 3: How long do these I mean, you know these things

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Speaker 3: take years, don't They.

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Speaker 17: Not necessarily? But I think quite rightly the questions you

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Speaker 17: are raising, I would expect the external reviews and the

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Speaker 17: cronial inquest to be answering those questions. That's why we

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Speaker 17: undertake them.

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Speaker 3: Because the reason I ask you about how long it's

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Speaker 3: going to take is in the meantime, we're all sitting

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Speaker 3: here wondering what is going on with the mental health

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Speaker 3: health system that two of these blogs have been able

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Speaker 3: to go and kill for a second time.

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Speaker 17: Like I say, the settings around our mental health patients,

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Speaker 17: whether they are granted special leaves or other types of leave,

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Speaker 17: are legislated for.

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Speaker 16: So I.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that that's the problem. This chap was

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Speaker 3: telling them that if they if they kicked him out

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Speaker 3: of the hospital, if they discharged him, he would be

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Speaker 3: chopping up bodies. And yet apparently nobody and there were

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Speaker 3: multiple times that he was talking about going on to

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Speaker 3: commit a second murder, and none of those red flags

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Speaker 3: were noticed by anybody. I mean, is the problem the

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Speaker 3: fact that he was allowed out, or is the problem

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Speaker 3: that everybody just heard him talking about murdering people and

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Speaker 3: chopping them up and they thought, oh, nothing big, no

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Speaker 3: big deal. Isn't that the actual problem?

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Speaker 17: Well, I would expect those questions to be answered through

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Speaker 17: the external review and a CRONIU in quest.

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Speaker 3: All right, Matt, thank you, appreciate your time. Matt Doocy,

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Speaker 3: Minister of Mental.

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Speaker 4: Health, either duplicy Allen.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has just left the G seven summon in Canada.

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Speaker 3: He's on his way back to the Situation Room at

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Speaker 3: the White House to handle this ongoing conflict between Israel

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Speaker 3: and Iran. Charles Croucher is Channel nine's chief political leeditor

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Speaker 3: at the G seven with us. Now, Hey, Charles, Hey,

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Speaker 3: how are you. I'm very well, thanks mate. Do you

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Speaker 3: get the feeling that this is all about to kack

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Speaker 3: off again?

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Speaker 18: Well, it feels that way, and that would explain a

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Speaker 18: lot of what's happened here from the truth social message

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Speaker 18: from Donald Trump saying get out of Tehran and we

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Speaker 18: warned you. It gave you a chance to this action

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Speaker 18: of the president leaving and sort of forewarning that when

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Speaker 18: he leaves something will happen.

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Speaker 6: So that's kind of the situation.

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Speaker 18: The whole world is watching at the moment, not knowing

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Speaker 18: what that answer is, and as they assemble around the

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Speaker 18: Situation Room in Washington, DC. The President's on his way

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Speaker 18: back there. It seems from what is coming out of America,

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Speaker 18: the US aren't directly involved in whatever happens next, but

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Speaker 18: it's clear they've been told, or at least it appears

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Speaker 18: they've been told that something is about to happen, and

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Speaker 18: we all sort of wait to see what that is.

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Speaker 3: Benjamin Ninna, who gave an interview to ABC just a

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Speaker 3: few hours ago, he says he is still considering killing

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Speaker 3: around Supreme Leader to end the conflict. Is Trump losing

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Speaker 3: control over the situation?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, and that happened a while ago.

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Speaker 18: I mean that he has made warnings to other countries,

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Speaker 18: in particular to Russia regarding Ukraine. I mean, don't forget

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Speaker 18: this was a conflict that was going to be ended.

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Speaker 18: On day one of the Trump administration, he had warned

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Speaker 18: Vladimir Putin, had spoken of Vladimir Putin. It was clear

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Speaker 18: that this was the might of the US coming in diplomatically.

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Speaker 18: And then Russia proceeded with the strikes on Kiev and

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Speaker 18: other places in Ukraine and nothing happened as a result. So,

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Speaker 18: if you are well, you can assume that if Benymin

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Speaker 18: Nittnya who is looking at that and hearing these warnings

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Speaker 18: from Donald Trump. He knows there aren't many consequences, it

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Speaker 18: seems for ignoring those, and that's.

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Speaker 6: Sort of I think we we'll have a lot of

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Speaker 6: people worried about.

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Speaker 18: What comes next.

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 18: Donald Trump also has a pangeant for moving gold, and

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Speaker 18: maybe that's what he's doing. Maybe you're flying back to

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Speaker 18: Showy serious and that might be assigned to the Israeli

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Speaker 18: leader to change what the plan is. But we don't know,

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Speaker 18: and we may never know when it comes to that

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Speaker 18: as well.

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Speaker 3: Charles is good to talk to you. I really appreciate

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Speaker 3: your time, mate. You look after yourself. That's Charles Crutcher,

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Speaker 3: Channel nine's chief political editor. I have got good news

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Speaker 3: for Wellington and I have got good news for Auckland,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to give it to you shortly fourteen

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Speaker 3: past five. Hey, if you have been hearing me talk

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Speaker 3: about the BYD Shark sixth and you've been thinking of

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Speaker 3: getting one, you need to hurry up because they're running

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Speaker 3: out of utes. In their talk, they have limited stock left.

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Speaker 3: They're going to get more utes, but even those ones

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Speaker 3: are not going to last. And you can understand why,

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Speaker 3: because these things have impressive fuel savings. They reckon that.

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Speaker 3: A BYD customer was telling them the other day. They've

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Speaker 3: driven sixteen three hundred ks, averaging just two liters per

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Speaker 3: one hundred ks, which is a total fuel cost of

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Speaker 3: four hundred and thirty dollars. Now, if you're going to

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Speaker 3: do this, you need to do it in June because

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Speaker 3: for the month of June, to celebrate Field Days, they're

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Speaker 3: offering the BYD Field Days five thousand dollars your way.

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Speaker 3: You buy yourself a vehicle in June, you get five K.

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Speaker 3: You can spend it however you want, upgrade the vehicle, personalizer,

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Speaker 3: put on so the on road cast, the purchase price,

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Speaker 3: whatever you like. And by the way, if you buy

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Speaker 3: a car, you're supporting Saint John. For every vehicle sold

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Speaker 3: in June, BYD will donate one hundred dollars to Saint

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Speaker 3: John in support of their annual appeal. So head along

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Speaker 3: to BYD Auto dot Co dot mz Heaver do for

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Speaker 3: c Ellen here. The Trump left the G seven after

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Speaker 3: making a fool of himself in a press conference with

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Speaker 3: the Canadian Prime Minister. Conspiracy theory as to why he left,

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Speaker 3: But you know it's Trump, so who knows what's going on.

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Speaker 3: It's coming up eighteen past five. Now it's time to

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Speaker 3: talk about the gen Z's. These are the guys who

874
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: were born between nineteen ninety seven and twenty twelve. Now,

875
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Speaker 3: according to new research, when they were asked what their

876
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: primary career goal was, only six percent of the gen

877
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: Zs said that they want to reach a leadership position.

878
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 3: Rowan O'Neil Stevens is gen Z. He's also the deputy

879
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 3: mayor of Nelson and with us Now Rowan, Hello.

880
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 7: Oh, got to hear that.

881
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 3: Why don't you guys want to be leaders?

882
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Speaker 19: I'm not convinced that looking through the survey, it's as

883
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 19: much about not wanting to be leaders but more being

884
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Speaker 19: driven by other things within the workplace. I mean, when

885
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 19: you look at the top scoring results there, it's things

886
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 19: like maintaining a good work life balance and achieving financial independence,

887
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 19: which doesn't necessarily exclude leadership as a part of that.

888
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 3: Yes, so it's kind of like not wanting to go

889
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 3: for leadership for the sake of leadership with all the

890
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 3: burnout and all the stress and all of that stuff.

891
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: Is that right?

892
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 6: Yeah?

893
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 19: Yeah, And I think it's critical to understand. Especially I'm

894
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Speaker 19: always a skeptic when we talk in generational teams because

895
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Speaker 19: there's so much nuance to that, but understanding, you know,

896
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 19: gen Z's grown up through a time that's been sort

897
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Speaker 19: of focused on the risks and threat of climate change

898
00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 19: of a mass development and technology, but also finance and stability,

899
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Speaker 19: a housing crisis and the anxiety that goes along with that.

900
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Speaker 19: To me, it makes perfect sense that if you're asked

901
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Speaker 19: what your main goal out of your job is, it's

902
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 19: you want to live a happy life and for that

903
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 19: to be a part of it.

904
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: You guys have actually copped a lot of grief for

905
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 3: being unambitious, and this is not the only time that

906
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: you have. But is it actually maybe possible that what

907
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: you are is just actually wise beyond your years and

908
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 3: you just realize you don't have to spoil your life

909
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: with too much hard work, and what you want is

910
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 3: just a good life.

911
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 19: I mean, I think that's very generous of you. But

912
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Speaker 19: I do think that increasingly that is the focus I

913
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 19: know within my friends is It's not that it's an

914
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Speaker 19: avoidance of leadership, but it's about looking at how can

915
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Speaker 19: I take steps to live as good life as possible,

916
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Speaker 19: and oftentimes leadership does fall into that. And you know,

917
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 19: I think about my own experience is leadership wasn't the

918
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 19: goal that was meaningful work that aligned with my values,

919
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 19: and through that stumbled into positions of leadership.

920
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 20: Yep.

921
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 3: Now I'm talking to you because you're standing down, aren't you?

922
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 3: Why are you standing down?

923
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 19: Really sort of along those same lines of one wanting

924
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 19: to make space for new leaders to step up, but

925
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Speaker 19: also to find new challenges and new ways too find

926
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Speaker 19: meaning in my work and to contribute to our community.

927
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Speaker 3: Interesting, Hey, Rowan, thanks very much, appreciate it. Rowan O'Neil Stevens,

928
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 3: gen Z Deputy Mayor of Nelson, standing down. We've been

929
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 3: too rough, You're like, we've been too rough on the

930
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Speaker 3: gen Zs. Don't tell them that I said that about them,

931
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 3: because I really want to. I want to continue to

932
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 3: hate on them like we always do. But I think

933
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Speaker 3: they're onto something. I mean, it's taken me until my

934
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Speaker 3: forties to realize maybe a work life balance is a

935
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Speaker 3: good thing to keep you happy all the time. They've

936
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Speaker 3: realized that at a very young age, haven't they. Heather

937
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 3: Matt Ducy, What a heartless interview with seemingly zero interesting,

938
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Speaker 3: such a serious issue, waste of time and all space.

939
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Speaker 3: Heither you think a cabinet minister with one portfolio would

940
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 3: be a bit more across his one thing, Heather, I

941
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 3: quite like Matt Doosey, but it did himself and the

942
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:12,719
Speaker 3: mental health care no favors and certainly not at all

943
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Speaker 3: empathetic towards the families involved. Great Scott here that did

944
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Speaker 3: you just interview a repeat loop recording of a minister?

945
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Speaker 3: I don't know that that was great from Matt.

946
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Speaker 2: I think it was.

947
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Speaker 6: It is.

948
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Speaker 3: I think Matt was answering us with process answers where

949
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Speaker 3: actually what you probably want to here is, Holy Hannah,

950
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 3: how did this happen? From him?

951
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 6: Do you know what I mean?

952
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 3: Anyway? To start with Wellington's good news, that hideous apartment

953
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: block on the Terrace is going to be bold and

954
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the

955
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: Gordon Wilson Flats, which has been an I saw since

956
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: pretty much the day they were built. They're hideous. It

957
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,720
Speaker 3: will lose it. They the flats will lose the protected

958
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Speaker 3: heritage status. They will now be demolished. They have been

959
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 3: sitting EMC since twenty twelves. Ain't nobody going to care

960
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 3: about that because they are too unsafe to live in

961
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 3: Rama Reform and Housing Minister Chris Bishop is the man

962
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 3: who deserves all the praise going to bowl Itt. He's

963
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 3: passing a law in the next few weeks to wrecking

964
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 3: ball that I saw. Now. Not everyone agrees with me,

965
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: namely architects who love it. One of them will be

966
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 3: with us in fifteen minutes to explain. And I've got

967
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Speaker 3: Auckland's good news coming up shortly five twenty.

968
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Speaker 1: Two Informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy Ellen

969
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news.

970
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 4: Talks that'd be Hea the Nope.

971
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: Working with gen z As can be a nightmare because

972
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Speaker 3: their work life balance comes at others expense. Mary, thank you.

973
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 3: Five twenty five. Now I tell you what I'm going

974
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 3: to be watching with some interest in the next few weeks.

975
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 3: It's that employment bill that Actors just introduced to Parliament

976
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 3: that would make it a lot easier for employers to

977
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 3: fire staff who earn more than one hundred and eighty

978
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 3: thousand dollars because those quote high earning staff would not

979
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 3: be able to take personal grievance cases for unjustified dismissal.

980
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: Now I say high earning with air quotes, because while yes,

981
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 3: these people do earn a lot more than the average wage,

982
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: I don't think that they earn so much much that

983
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 3: they can be considered I don't know, rich pricks and

984
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: treated so callously as to simply fire them without them

985
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 3: having any recourse. Many of these people, I think will

986
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 3: probably be raising families, because you don't earn one hundred

987
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 3: and eighty thousand dollars plus if you're in your early twenties,

988
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:18,720
Speaker 3: do you. These are people who are in management, maybe

989
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 3: even in upper management, and I'd imagine that they've got

990
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: families to feed a lot of them and families to

991
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 3: look after. So I imagine these people would be amongst

992
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 3: the most stressed if they could just lose their jobs

993
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 3: all of a sudden. I think ACT is taking something

994
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: of a political gamble here, because I would have thought

995
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 3: that this is a case of ACT screwing over some

996
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 3: of its own voters, because remember ACT does well in

997
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 3: well healed places like EPSOM, which is where people earning

998
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,839
Speaker 3: more than one hundred and eighty thousand dollars a year live.

999
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: Now I'm not sure what's made ACT feel like they

1000
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 3: have to do this, because it's not as if there

1001
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 3: has been this huge public debate about how people on

1002
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: one hundred and eighty thousand dollars plus have been terrible

1003
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,400
Speaker 3: employees who need to have their employment right stripped. And

1004
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 3: if anything, this is just going to provide work for lawyers,

1005
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 3: because people in this kind of money will have the

1006
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 3: means and if they have families to feed, the motivation

1007
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 3: as well to litigate, and I suspect that they will,

1008
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 3: so I'm very keen to see if ACT actually goes

1009
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 3: through with this part of its plan, because from where

1010
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: I'm sitting, this just looks like a really weird idea

1011
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 3: with more downsides than upsides.

1012
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 4: Heather dupery Ala speak to an.

1013
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 3: Employment lawyer about that after six o'clock. Happy news for

1014
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 3: Auckland seventh on the list of the world's most liveable cities.

1015
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 3: This is a list that's put together every year by

1016
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 3: the economist. I'll read it to you, well, I'll read

1017
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 3: it to it till we get Aukland because no one

1018
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 3: cares about beyond that number one, Copenhagen number two in

1019
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: equal place, Vienna and Zurich number three. Melbourne, number four, Geneva,

1020
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 3: number five, Sydney and then number seven. Well you know,

1021
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: I've stuffed up the counting on this one, but number

1022
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: seven Osaka and Auckland tiede how them? And I know

1023
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 3: a lot of people in Auckland because this is what

1024
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 3: happened in the newsroom today when I told them we

1025
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: are like, what are you talking about? I can't get

1026
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 3: from here to here with it. It takes me five

1027
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 3: hundred hours to get across the city. They look at

1028
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 3: five different categories healthcare, culture and environment, education, infrastructure and

1029
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: stability like the fact that you're not being shot at

1030
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 3: by Israel at the moment, for example. Look at things

1031
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 3: like crime and pollution and temperatures and do you have

1032
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 3: a beach nearby? Smaller places tend to do quite well,

1033
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: and Auckland is a small city internationally and almost half

1034
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 3: of the top twenty places are located in East Asia

1035
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: and Australasia. So how good is that Auckland. Well, don't

1036
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: you headline's next.

1037
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1038
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: drive home it's hither duplicy elan drive with one New

1039
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

1040
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 6: That'd be.

1041
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 3: Well as I suspected ACT is not getting the love

1042
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: on this, Heather, I totally agree acts unjustified dismissal proposal

1043
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 3: is bizarre given their support base practically makes no sense. Hither,

1044
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: As an earner of over one hundred and eighty thousand

1045
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: dollars and an EPSOM voter previously ACT supporder, I hope

1046
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 3: AXE betrayal of its base blows up in its face.

1047
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 3: Hither I earn one hundred and eighty five thousand dollars,

1048
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 3: but I'm raising three kids and my wife cannot work.

1049
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 3: Actors lost my vote because I certainly ain't rich. And

1050
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 3: there's no taking a month off for a break after

1051
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 3: I get dropped from my job for the partners to

1052
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 3: ensure that they can take a month's holiday. Why on

1053
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 3: earth do I stay in New Zealand. Yeah, it's just

1054
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,879
Speaker 3: it's It's really weird, isn't it. I'd love to know why.

1055
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 3: I'd love to know why. Anyway, the Huddle's standing by

1056
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 3: and as I say, Jennifer Mills employment lawyer will talk

1057
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: us through this when she's with us. After six. It's

1058
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 3: twenty three away from six, Heather, Good news for Wellington

1059
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: because those hideous Gordon Wilson Flats are going to be bold.

1060
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,720
Speaker 3: The government's changing the RMA, taking away the heritage protection,

1061
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 3: and then they're going to get demolished. Ken Davis is

1062
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 3: a former teacher at Victoria University School of Architecture who's

1063
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: with us.

1064
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 11: Now, Hi, Ken Okyota.

1065
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: Now, let me guess you love it because it's one

1066
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 3: of only two examples of the brutalist that's left in

1067
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 3: the country.

1068
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 6: Yes, No, I love I don't really love it.

1069
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 16: I think it's really important why as part of our

1070
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 16: cultural heritage, and also the fact if we pull it

1071
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 16: down we are destroying some existing Bible housing units that

1072
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,360
Speaker 16: already exist. They only need to be refurbished, and to

1073
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 16: destroy them and to demolish them as a waste of

1074
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 16: embodied energy and carbon, and it's really counter to global

1075
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 16: trends in sustainable architectural practice where the most sustainable building

1076
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 16: is the existing building.

1077
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: Ken. They're ugly though, aren't they.

1078
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 16: Well, it's just a point of view. I think they're

1079
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 16: ugly too, But it doesn't mean say you should destroy them.

1080
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 16: The beehives ugly.

1081
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 4: Actually would.

1082
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 6: People thought Ourfield's house was ugly, they also thought to

1083
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 6: be destroyed.

1084
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 3: You're just listing all of these buildings in Wellington that

1085
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: need to be bold because they're hideous.

1086
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 16: No, there's no justification for calling them down because you

1087
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 16: don't like the look of them. In fact, ugly can

1088
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,399
Speaker 16: be quite beautiful. So it's just the really the lens

1089
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 16: you look at things through.

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00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 3: Really, okay, I mean, you know, me being silly aside.

1091
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 3: Set that aside. These buildings, this particular building is not like.

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00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 3: First of all, it is ugly. The brutalist style is ugly.

1093
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 3: Then you've got the fact that it's No.

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00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 7: That's not true.

1095
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 3: It's my argument.

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00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 16: Okay, Well I've got plenty of counter arguments.

1097
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 6: Let me go.

1098
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 3: So it's ugly. Second of all, it's derelict. It's an

1099
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 3: earthquake problem. Now I take your point that there can

1100
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 3: be an argument as to whether it is cheaper or

1101
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 3: not to refurbish this or demolish and start again. But

1102
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 3: the owner wants to the university wants to demolish and

1103
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 3: start again. So shouldn't we just let them do that.

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00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 16: Well, it was protected for a very long time, over

1105
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 16: thirty years by the Willings Council, and then it went

1106
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 16: to the Environment Court when that was overthrown and reinstated.

1107
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 16: There's been a long history of terms of protection. One

1108
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 16: point is that that isn't an earthquake risk. The twenty

1109
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 16: fifteen seismic assessment by Becker's demonstrated the building based on

1110
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 16: the analysis was fifty percent of the national buildings standard.

1111
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 16: That's well above the thirty four percent that below which

1112
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 16: buildings become earthquake prone. So in fact, it could be

1113
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 16: reinhabited immediately if it was refurbished. So that's not an argument.

1114
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 3: Ken out of interest. Where's the other one in the country,

1115
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 3: the other brutalist Fielding.

1116
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 16: Well, the other one was in Upper Grays Avenue and sadly,

1117
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 16: and in an act of cultural vandalism because Congaroo didn't

1118
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 16: understand the value of its own architectural heritage and still doesn't,

1119
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 16: they pulled it down to build a very good development

1120
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 16: that's housed many more people. But so that's often the

1121
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 16: trade off between keeping historic buildings, whether you consider it

1122
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 16: oracle not, and that lost versus the potential to build more.

1123
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 16: And in the case of Gray's Avenue, sadly they've replaced

1124
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 16: something that was of significance with something of greater benefit. Probably,

1125
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 16: but there's no reason to destroy everything. You know, we

1126
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 16: don't want to destroy the city to save it.

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00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 3: No fair enough, Ken, and thank you very much. I

1128
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 3: do appreciate your time and appreciate your expertise as well.

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00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 3: That's Kevin ken Davis, former Coying a Order Principal architect,

1130
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 3: also former teacher at Vitry University School of Architecture.

1131
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Find you're one.

1132
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 4: Of a kind.

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00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: On the huddle with me this evening. Alli Jones of

1134
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 3: Red pr and Tim Wilson of the Maximumsitu'd hire you too.

1135
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: H m hi Heather, Hello Ali. Now have you seen

1136
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 3: that building? And on a scale of one to hideous,

1137
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 3: where do you see it?

1138
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 21: I give it headeous?

1139
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 17: Yeah.

1140
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 21: But look, I don't think I agree with Ken. I

1141
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 21: don't think you can be destroying the buildings because they

1142
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 21: don't look the way you want them to look. We

1143
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 21: know that in christ Church, you know it was a

1144
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 21: different situation with the earthquakes, but the then Minister for

1145
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 21: Canterbury Recovery, Jerry Brownley, wanted to destroy or get rid

1146
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 21: of a whole lot of these types of buildings. He

1147
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 21: famously called them old dungs and using his extraordinary powers

1148
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 21: managed to remove them. So and I heard what Ken

1149
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 21: said there, and I do think the trade off is key.

1150
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 21: And when you look at what's happening with our cathedral

1151
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 21: at the moment, we've been sitting around and talking about

1152
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 21: that for ten years and nothing's happened. This building has

1153
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 21: sat there for so long, Ben and I saw cost

1154
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 21: a huge amount of money. The space is needed, and

1155
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 21: it needs to be designed, you know, to more modern

1156
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 21: standards for student accommodation. I think the trade off is

1157
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 21: a good one.

1158
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 9: And what do you think, Tim, Well, I've got I

1159
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 9: actually share of you with BILLI and Ken, But for

1160
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 9: I've got to say, can we roll take back? Like

1161
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 9: ugly isn't beautiful? Ugly is horrid? All right, let's just

1162
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 9: agree on that. So let's roll that back. I say

1163
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 9: we leave him there as a reminder of how lame.

1164
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 9: Now they were built in nineteen fifty nine, but that's

1165
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 9: basically the sixties. Their tedious rectangular asbestos in prison cells

1166
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,440
Speaker 9: dressed up as brutalism, free love and fate call Some

1167
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 9: decades were actually lamer than others. If you forget history,

1168
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 9: you're doomed to repeat it. Leave the tombstones aloft I feel.

1169
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,000
Speaker 3: Like you're being deeply unfair to the sixties because the

1170
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: sixties had some really cool things going on.

1171
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 9: No, just suck no, But I think you know what

1172
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 9: the problem is here too. The problem is we're actually

1173
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 9: so desperate for heritage. We'll say, oh, look at this.

1174
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 9: You know the city council, the Waling City Council last

1175
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 9: year tried to classify a mid century oil tank as heritage.

1176
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 9: I mean, we've got to find some better heritage.

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00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,839
Speaker 3: Make an excellent point now, Allie, I'm not offended by

1178
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 3: the swearing that happened happened today in the Select Committee

1179
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 3: because a couple of reasons. I think number one, it

1180
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 3: wasn't of the sea bomb level, and number two, it

1181
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,720
Speaker 3: was just swearing out loud and wasn't describing somebody.

1182
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 21: What do you think, well, was it even out loud?

1183
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 21: This struck me as being like being back in high school.

1184
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,840
Speaker 21: It's the biggest laugh I've had all day. You know,

1185
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 21: you've got duncan web.

1186
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 5: But yeah, can you imagine it?

1187
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 15: Or where?

1188
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:11,919
Speaker 21: What did you just say?

1189
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 8: No?

1190
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 21: No, go on, tell us all say it again. You know,

1191
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 21: it's like picking the note up and making them read

1192
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 21: it out. So that was the first thing I thought of.

1193
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,240
Speaker 21: It sounded like a game. I mean, Seymour even smirked

1194
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:23,800
Speaker 21: when he got told about this. I heard that he

1195
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 21: thought it was quite funny. I had said both those

1196
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 21: things over and over again in meetings, accompanied sometimes by

1197
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 21: eye rolling. So I'm not saying that it's actually a

1198
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 21: good thing to do. But come on, no one heard it.

1199
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 21: Didn't someone tell on them? Wouldn't someone tell on Deba Husky?

1200
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 3: Yes, Debora Russell got told on. This isn't I mean?

1201
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:41,320
Speaker 8: And this?

1202
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 3: I want your take on this. You're you're a very

1203
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 3: good conservative, very good Christian, so tell me what you think.

1204
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 9: I'm actually a very poor Catholic. But then so are

1205
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 9: a lot of us. I actually, you know, I've got

1206
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 9: the controversial view that adulthood is about self control. We

1207
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 9: don't value in continence at one end at the body,

1208
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 9: why should we value it at the other end of

1209
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 9: the body? And can I just say we had a problem.

1210
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 9: I think we should introduce a swear jar for Parliament

1211
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 9: at NK every time you get caught. You can actually

1212
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 9: use that money to buy heritage buildings, rather than designate

1213
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 9: that the heritage buildings and prevent other people from using them.

1214
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 9: Problem solved.

1215
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 21: You're full of it today, you are it?

1216
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 3: Oh he's just he's you know what, he's at a

1217
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,440
Speaker 3: quiet day. He's been sitting there thinking what can I

1218
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: say to wind people up?

1219
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 4: No?

1220
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 6: Not I do.

1221
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 9: I mean I actually I used to be an enthusiastic swearer,

1222
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 9: and once I stopped, the foul taste left my mouth.

1223
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 9: I encourage.

1224
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 3: I would listen to this.

1225
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 21: Honestly, bring me a bucket.

1226
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 9: I've got to actually, you know what, there's a bucket

1227
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 9: of heritage building.

1228
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 15: During a role.

1229
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: Okay, stop, we'll take a break just to get them

1230
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 3: to calm down for a minute. Then we'll come back.

1231
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 3: Quarter two.

1232
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary

1233
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: results with unparalleled reach for.

1234
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 3: The huddle, got Alie Jones and Tim Wilson. Tim, now,

1235
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 3: how weird do you think this plan is? That act

1236
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 3: has to make it easy for bosses to fire staff

1237
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: who earned one hundred and eighty thousand dollars plus.

1238
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, I was listened to what you said earlier.

1239
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 9: In terms of one hundred and eighty thousands, not that much,

1240
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 9: but the average the average wage in New Zealands is

1241
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 9: seventy three K seventy six in orphan, which is what

1242
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 9: you'd expect. So this is actually double plus. And it's

1243
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 9: interesting the way it's been presented because it's like workers'

1244
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:31,959
Speaker 9: rights being impinged. But I wonder if you're one hundred

1245
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 9: and eighty K whether you're still a worker. I don't

1246
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 9: think Marks or Lenin would have said that it's happened

1247
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 9: in Australia and.

1248
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 3: Where it leads to huge amounts of litigation.

1249
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 9: Well, an important a key we employment lawyer who's crossed

1250
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 9: a guy called Salmon. SALMONI says that it allows employers

1251
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 9: and employees to have more frank conversations. And look, if

1252
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 9: you're on higher, higher pay, you should be subject to

1253
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 9: higher standards. And if it gives gives some flexibility for

1254
00:58:57,560 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 9: young people to step up, then I'm all for it.

1255
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,919
Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's not what I know all.

1256
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 21: I totally disagree. If anything has got me wound up today.

1257
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 15: This is it.

1258
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 21: Laws are there for a reason. I don't know why

1259
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 21: we're becoming fixated on what people earn here as a reason.

1260
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 3: To apply laws.

1261
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 21: I mean, there's no reason why people treated badly where

1262
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 21: a personal grievance or PG would be successful, should be

1263
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 21: precluded from seeking justice and taking out a PG just

1264
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 21: because of what they earn. I'm absolutely gobsmacked by this.

1265
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 5: What's going to be next.

1266
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 21: We're going to put laws in place depending on what

1267
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 21: color you hair and eyes are as well the money

1268
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 21: and what you earn has got nothing to do with

1269
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 21: people being treated badly, or rather their desire and the

1270
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 21: law wanting them to be treated fairly.

1271
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 3: How do you respond?

1272
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, look, you do make a fair point, Ellie, and

1273
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 9: I agree people should be treated fairly at all points.

1274
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 9: But I do think that salary is something that does

1275
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 9: define in a sense the role and I think that

1276
01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 9: the possibility of flexibility and if it's inhibiting workplace culture,

1277
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 9: and there's a suggestion that it's provoked more open conversations

1278
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 9: in Australia between employers and employees.

1279
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 3: What could the conversations be? Would they be your fire? Yeah,

1280
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 3: you suck your fire?

1281
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 9: Gone by the right, I think you can jump in.

1282
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 9: My understanding from what the employment lawyer was saying was

1283
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 9: that they allow you to get to deal with issues

1284
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 9: a lot sooner. So it's not like, oh, we go

1285
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 9: to our because it's going to end up in this

1286
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 9: litigation and there'll.

1287
01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 6: Be a PG.

1288
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 9: We actually stay in our stay in our lanes and

1289
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:39,600
Speaker 9: we don't, you know, we legalize it in some way.

1290
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 21: So I've got an example term if I can jump

1291
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 21: in of someone who was earning over two hundred K

1292
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 21: Australian treated appallingly in her workplace, had been there for

1293
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:51,880
Speaker 21: twelve years. And I know this is a one off example,

1294
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 21: but she was treated so badly that when she did leave,

1295
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 21: it was counted as constructive dismissal. She's now on an insurance.

1296
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 21: That've got an insurance there where you can continue to

1297
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 21: be paid if the employer is found to be to

1298
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 21: be in breach of the rules and you can't return

1299
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 21: to work. Now, she wouldn't get absolutely nothing if that

1300
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 21: had happened under these rules. And I go back to

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Speaker 21: that point again that if someone is being treated badly,

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Speaker 21: if the employer is breaching the law, then regardless of

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Speaker 21: what you're earning, you should have the protection of those laws.

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Speaker 21: Communication is there regardless of the law, and maybe the

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Speaker 21: workplace culture needs looking at, not the employment law. I'm

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Speaker 21: godsmacked by some of this discussion.

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Speaker 3: So I'll tell you what the common theme here may

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Speaker 3: well be. I mean, remember this is a this is

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Speaker 3: law ten that is designed to protect to some extent

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Speaker 3: the employee from bad bosses. Right, it doesn't matter what

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Speaker 3: you're getting, your boss can still suck be a bad boss.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I look, I completely get that.

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Speaker 3: You are you starting to change your mind just to

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Speaker 3: weep it?

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Speaker 9: I think I need to see I need to see

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Speaker 9: what the legislation actually looks like.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's the retreat uto. I need to read

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Speaker 3: the legislation.

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Speaker 6: I'm on you.

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Speaker 9: I need to actually read the footnotes before I can

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Speaker 9: form again.

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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 3: Tim, stay tuned because after six we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: to Jennifer Mills, whos an employment lawyer, and maybe she'll change,

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Speaker 3: maybe you get some information from her. I appreciate both

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Speaker 3: of you coming on this evening. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 3: Ellie Jones and Tim Wilson. Our huddle. It's eight away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper See Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by News talk z' be.

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Speaker 3: Heather. The christ Church town Hall is brutalist, as is

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Speaker 3: the Poolucker James Height Building and thank you. I've gone

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Speaker 3: to verify what Anne had to say, and in fact, yes,

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Speaker 3: the christ Church town Hall is hideous and the pool

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Speaker 3: Wucker James Height building is just as ugly. So fortunately,

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Speaker 3: fortunately Ken was incorrect earlier that we haven't Now we're

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Speaker 3: not on the path to bowling every single example of

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Speaker 3: brutalism in the country. If you want to go clap

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Speaker 3: your eyes on some brutalism, just head down to christ

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Speaker 3: Church and feast your eyes on it. And look, they're

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Speaker 3: not as bad as the Gordon Elson Flats, to be

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Speaker 3: fair to the Christchurch town Hall, to be fair. Five

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Speaker 3: away from six the Burning New World, the boss of

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Speaker 3: food Stuffs, Chris Quinn, is just finally how that press

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Speaker 3: conference has been quite delayed. He says they haven't yet

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Speaker 3: been able to gauge the extent of the damage.

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Speaker 11: It's a significant event. There's a lot we don't know

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Speaker 11: yet about the future, but we're just so glad right

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Speaker 11: now people are safe. As the next day's unfold will

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Speaker 11: be a lot clear about what happens from here. But

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Speaker 11: job one right now is making sure that our team

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Speaker 11: are looked after. Look, it seems like it's been a

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Speaker 11: pretty significant event based on watching it unfold during the

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Speaker 11: day and the fact that it took several hours, but

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Speaker 11: we don't have any accurate assessment at this point. We've

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Speaker 11: got to wait for it to be safe so that

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Speaker 11: we can get engineers in and start to work that out.

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Speaker 3: Now, if you've seen any of the photographs or any

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Speaker 3: of the video of the fire and see all the

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Speaker 3: smoke blowing out and all the water going in, it'll

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Speaker 3: be no surprise to you whatsoever that pretty much none

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Speaker 3: of the food is going to be saved now.

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Speaker 11: Obviously a lot of water, a lot of smoke, a

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Speaker 11: lot of cartingents have gone through the building. So we

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Speaker 11: would only do anything with the food in terms of

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Speaker 11: getting it out and people if it was in any

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Speaker 11: way safe, just have to do a lot of assessment

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Speaker 11: and will take no risk about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, best of luck to them, because it sounds

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Speaker 3: like it's going to be a job maybe for the

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Speaker 3: remainder of the evening to just keep that fire down. Listen,

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters may today have shed some light on why

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Speaker 3: it is that Donald Trump wants to add Pacific countries

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Speaker 3: like Tonga and Tuvalu and Vanauatu and so on to

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Speaker 3: the list of banned countries. Just the example of Tuvaru,

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Speaker 3: right because everybody's like, why they haven't done anything wrong. Well,

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Speaker 3: maybe they have, he said, just on the example of Tuvalu.

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Speaker 3: Tuvalu has been selling passports. Now he describes that as

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Speaker 3: a reasonably innocent decision made in Tavaru that has now

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Speaker 3: led to the concerns in the United States when it

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Speaker 3: comes to security. So there seems to be some reason

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Speaker 3: at least for a decision that appears to have just

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Speaker 3: come out of the blue. Look Jennifer Mills, employment lawyer,

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Speaker 3: it's going to talk us through what she makes of

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Speaker 3: these changes to you know, the dismissal I suppose of

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Speaker 3: people who earn more than one hundred and eighty thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars a year. She's with us straight after the news

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Speaker 3: and after half past six. We're going to China because

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Speaker 3: it sounds like we may be in a little bit

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Speaker 3: of trouble with China because we went to India first

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Speaker 3: and not China when the new government came in. So

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Speaker 3: we'll get you the details on that shortly. News talks ab.

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Speaker 2: You know, oh care home, worse.

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Speaker 4: Keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Hender Duplicy, Ellen and Theirs, Insurance

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Speaker 1: and Investments grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 4: News talks at b.

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Speaker 3: Evening coming up in the next hour. Food prices are

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Speaker 3: up again, Brad Olsen on that, Farmer confidence is up

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Speaker 3: as well. Jamie McKay on that, and Chris Luxon is up, up, up,

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Speaker 3: and away to China. We're gonna have a chat to

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Speaker 3: David marn based in China on how annoyed the Chinese

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Speaker 3: are that he went to India first. Seven past six Now,

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Speaker 3: new changes to the Employment Relations Act have been announced

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Speaker 3: to Parliament today and it includes employees earning over one

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Speaker 3: hundred and eighty thousand dollars losing their right to file

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Speaker 3: a personal grievance for unjustified dismissal. Now to took us

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Speaker 3: through this, we have employment specialist Jennifer Mills from Jennifer

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Speaker 3: Mills and Associates. Jennifer, Hello, Hi, Heather. What has caused them?

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Speaker 3: Why do we need that particular change?

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Speaker 22: Well, I think that this proposed change in their amendment

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Speaker 22: bill is arbitrary, identifying a line in the sand with

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Speaker 22: somebody who's earning one hundred and eighty thousand to remove

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Speaker 22: their protections under the dismissal suite of dismissal mechanisms under

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Speaker 22: the Act is strange. I would have thought that all

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Speaker 22: employees would have the right to access these grievance protections.

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Speaker 22: What's worse is that somebody who earns over one hundred

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Speaker 22: and eighty thousand doesn't have a right to have any

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Speaker 22: information about the decision to terminate their employment, and they

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Speaker 22: don't even have an opportunity to respond to a proposal

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Speaker 22: to terminate their employment. It seems harsh to me. And

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Speaker 22: what it'll end up meaning is that people will be

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Speaker 22: preparing different types of claims. They'll have breach of contract claims,

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Speaker 22: breach of statutory duty claims and discrimination claims. So there'll

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Speaker 22: just be a backdoorway for these people to have protections

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Speaker 22: against unfair treatment.

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Speaker 3: The experience in Australia, apparently because they've already done this,

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Speaker 3: the experience in Australia has been that litigation has increased.

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Speaker 3: So you would expect the same thing to happen here.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, absolutely right. This is based on the Australian model law.

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Speaker 22: And my colleagues in Australia tell me that the pressure

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Speaker 22: release or the pressure valve if you like, is through

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Speaker 22: discrimination claims, and I would expect that those are the

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Speaker 22: sorts of claims that will be drafting. We've most recently

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Speaker 22: seen an increase in the awards for discrimination claims out

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Speaker 22: of the Human Rights Tribunal. In any event, so perhaps

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Speaker 22: it'll be an opportunity for those senior employees to have

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Speaker 22: greater claims, to be able to file proceedings and the

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Speaker 22: separate jurisdic.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like I asked the Minister's office today. This

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Speaker 3: is Brook Vanvelden's office. You know why they're doing it.

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Speaker 3: They say the change will help provide business confidence in hiring.

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Speaker 3: It will, and it's hard to know whether what they

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Speaker 3: mean by that is because they will take chances on

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Speaker 3: younger people because they know they can just get rid

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Speaker 3: of them, or whether it is about actually firing the

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Speaker 3: older guys and bringing the younger people up through the rungs.

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Speaker 3: What do you think is going on?

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Speaker 22: I suspect it will be the younger folks won't be

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Speaker 22: starting on one hundred and eighty thousand. I suspect it'll

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Speaker 22: be the more senior folks have been in the role

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Speaker 22: or in the organization for longer, and it will certainly

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Speaker 22: increase turn and turnover.

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Speaker 5: And it's because the.

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Speaker 22: Economy is in a dire situation. In any event, you

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Speaker 22: wouldn't want to be as an employee. You wouldn't want

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Speaker 22: to have your role at risk. It almost feels like

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Speaker 22: employment at will. And that's not our history that you know.

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Speaker 22: We don't come from that place. We're not based on

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Speaker 22: the UI, and I believe that we need these protections

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Speaker 22: for all employees. The good news, though, is that these

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Speaker 22: employees can negotiate with their employers to include the unjustified

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Speaker 22: unjustified dismissal protections should they want them.

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Speaker 3: Well, but that's only people who enter employment contracts after this, right.

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Speaker 3: Anybody who's already an employment contracts slightly stuff, doren't they?

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Speaker 22: Well, no, you can still negotiate. There's a twelve months

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Speaker 22: transition period for those who already have employment agreements, but

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Speaker 22: they can still negotiate to retain those protections. And I

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Speaker 22: would have thought those are the employees who are more

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Speaker 22: likely to be able to negotiate retaining those protections.

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Speaker 3: Hey can ask you, Jennifer, what do you make of

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Speaker 3: the thirty day change?

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Speaker 22: The removal of the thirty day Well, that's going to

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Speaker 22: have their unions up and arms. So that'll mean obviously

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Speaker 22: that employees whose work is covered by the collective will

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Speaker 22: no longer be covered by the collective terms on an

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Speaker 22: individual basis.

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Speaker 9: For the first thirty days.

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Speaker 22: It's given the unions the ability to negotiate directly with

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Speaker 22: those folks, and it has historically given the unions a

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Speaker 22: leg up. Now there's a swing and the balance of power,

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Speaker 22: it will give employers more ability to have those employees

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Speaker 22: remain on individual employment agreements. It will be more difficult

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Speaker 22: for the unions to garner support for the union and

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Speaker 22: increase union membership. So I would expect over time that

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Speaker 22: we would see a decrease in union membership with this

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Speaker 22: particular change. I imagine the unions will be very, very

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Speaker 22: unhappy with this proposed change.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're probably right, Jennifer, so good to talk to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Jennifer Mills, employment specialist A Jennifer

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Speaker 3: Mills and Associates on the thirty day change. Basically, what

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Speaker 3: happens is that when a new employee starts for the

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Speaker 3: first thirty days, they're automatically classified as union members under

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Speaker 3: the collective agreements. So taking them out of that, that's

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Speaker 3: the change that would happen. That's what's going to lead

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Speaker 3: to possibly less union membership. Hither the one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty thousand dollar things sounds like a green policy bang

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Speaker 3: on Greene's hate people who own earn over one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty thousand dollars. Evidently so does the ACT Party.

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Speaker 3: Now I have managed to come I think I figured

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Speaker 3: out at least a couple of arguments for why the

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Speaker 3: ACT Party would want to do this. Nick Mowbray, who

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Speaker 3: runs Zuru, who is also one of Act's biggest donors,

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Speaker 3: wrote an editorial for The Herald in December last year,

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Speaker 3: and he outlined six different arguments for why you'd want

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Speaker 3: to do it. Number one is that senior leaders and

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Speaker 3: specialists earning over one hundred and eighty thousand dollars are

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Speaker 3: in roles that significantly shape a company's success. So you

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Speaker 3: with money like that, with that kind of an income,

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Speaker 3: you expect. This is basically what Tim was arguing before.

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Speaker 3: You have expectations of high performance and so you know

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Speaker 3: you can basically if they're not performing well out they

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Speaker 3: go quickly because they are so influential. Argument number two

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Speaker 3: is that the current rigid employment law can stall necessary

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Speaker 3: leadership changes, especially in fast moving industries. So basically then

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Speaker 3: you're able to, you know, get rid of them, get

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01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 3: the young ones in and you can go and read

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Speaker 3: all six of his arguments if you want to. I

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Speaker 3: don't buy any of this. I think it's completely bizarre.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 4: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The Business Hour

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Speaker 4: with Heather Duplicy.

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Speaker 1: Ellen and Maas Insurance and Investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect

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01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:27,960
Speaker 1: Your Future, News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: You know how Donald Trump loves a prop. Well, he

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01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 3: and Kiir Starmer have signed the UK US trade deal

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01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 3: and then of course they went outside and he couldn't

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01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,720
Speaker 3: just talk about it. He had to take the prop

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01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 3: out with him. So we opened the little thing, a

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01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,519
Speaker 3: little portfolio, and all the papers fell on the ground

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01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 3: and Kier had to pick them up. So but hey,

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01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 3: at least they signed them. Andder Brady's going to talk

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01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 3: us through it when he's with us before the end

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Speaker 3: of this program. Seventeen past six. Now food prices are

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Speaker 3: up four point four percent in the year to May.

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Speaker 3: Brad Olson is Informetric's principal economist and with US now Hey, Brad,

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Speaker 3: good evening. So largely driven by dairy, meat, poultry and fish.

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Speaker 7: Yes, that's right. I mean you've seen those continued cost pressures.

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Speaker 14: You look at the likes of butter up something like

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01:13:09,720 --> 01:13:13,599
Speaker 14: fifty two percent over the last year. Again, your beef prices,

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01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:15,920
Speaker 14: your other dairy have all gone up. But that four

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01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 14: point four percent food price inflation over the last year,

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Speaker 14: that is the fastest now since the end of twenty

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Speaker 14: twenty three. It's not back to the peak that it was,

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01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 14: but it is starting to make us feel a little

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01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 14: bit more uncomfortable given all of those price changes that

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01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,760
Speaker 14: have come through. What is clear looking at some of

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01:13:32,800 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 14: the numbers is that there's a few very specific items

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01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 14: like we've just highlighted that are increasing and they're making

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01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 14: things uncomfortable across the wider shop that people are probably doing.

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01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 14: There's not quite as much intensity, but there are just

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01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 14: some really quite thorny issues coming through that is prompting

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01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 14: people to ask questions of is their further inflationary pressure

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01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 14: to come.

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Speaker 7: We thought we'd got rid of it, but perhaps not.

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Speaker 3: Do you worry about them? I mean, this is obviously

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01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 3: higher than the bad and higher than what we're seeing

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01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:05,920
Speaker 3: across the economies. Are you worried about this a little bit?

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Speaker 14: And I think it's not just the food prices either.

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Speaker 14: You look at the likes of energy costs that are

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Speaker 14: coming forward. Are the likes of electricity up I think

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Speaker 14: eight point seven percent odd roughly over the last year,

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Speaker 14: Gas prices for households up a well around fifteen percent

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Speaker 14: over the last year. All of those become very uncomfortable

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Speaker 14: and they're pretty vital costs. You can't choose not to

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Speaker 14: pay them. And so the fact that you've got all

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Speaker 14: of that, the fact that in the last week you've

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Speaker 14: seen with this Israel Iran conflict, you know, oil prices

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Speaker 14: are spiking. That's probably going to come through and hit

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Speaker 14: petrol prices in New Zealand. The fact that you know

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Speaker 14: the Reserve Bank last time they met, someone on the

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01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,200
Speaker 14: committee was a holdout and took it to a vote

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Speaker 14: and said, I don't want to change interest rates because

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Speaker 14: I'm a bit worried about what's coming forward. All of

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01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:51,600
Speaker 14: that suggests that again we're just in the sort of

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01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 14: uneasy position where the economy doesn't feel like it's doing well,

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Speaker 14: and so on that basis, you'd think that there's further

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01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 14: interest rate cuts to come, but inflationary pressure it's still

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01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 14: too hot, looking like it's reaccelerating still. And if that's

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Speaker 14: the case, that makes that interest rate conversation quite difficult.

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Speaker 3: Well, I would say bets are on a pause yet.

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Speaker 14: At the moment, I think increasingly likely that you see

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Speaker 14: a pause in July, and it may well be an

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Speaker 14: extended pause. They might not cut again. I don't think

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01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 14: we can make that call definitively yet, but even financial

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01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 14: markets have pulled back their expectations. At the end of

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01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 14: last week there was only roughly I think a sixteen

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01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 14: percent chance of a further interest rate cut in July.

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Speaker 14: So everyone is sort of taking a breath and trying

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01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:34,719
Speaker 14: to assess what all of this means.

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01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 3: Now, do you want to explain to us this extremely

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01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 3: early appearance at the Gates of Field days.

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Speaker 14: I heard that I was sort of taken to task

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Speaker 14: over the last week, although you said some lovely things

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01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 14: about me later that evening. Can't you remember your answer

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01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 14: was sort of giving me all sort of platitudes, which was.

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Speaker 3: We think, we think you are the life of the party.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad. I'm glad that other people think of the

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01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 3: life of the party as a judge. Do you do

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 3: a good job.

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01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 14: Well, I'd like to think so. I mean, I've done

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01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:08,600
Speaker 14: my training and similar But I mean, look, turning to

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01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:10,760
Speaker 14: the field Day's piece, I had some meetings early on

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01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,800
Speaker 14: in the morning. Field days traffic is absolutely manic, and

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01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 14: I thought, look, if I want to get there and

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01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 14: actually have a you know, be able to get through

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01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:18,400
Speaker 14: my meetings, I'll show.

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01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 3: Up really early.

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01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:21,280
Speaker 14: I'll get an early park, I'll head inside, get a coffee,

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01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,639
Speaker 14: get set up for the six thirty. Oh, I think,

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01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 14: to be honest, I parked up at about five point

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01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:27,320
Speaker 14: fifty eight am.

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01:16:27,439 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 7: I was there real early.

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01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:32,519
Speaker 14: Hey, you don't drink a I don't. I mean, I

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01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 14: look on an economist. So have you seen the price

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01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 14: of the stuff?

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01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 3: Oh, good from you, Brad.

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01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 6: I love it.

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01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:39,400
Speaker 3: You live by your principles, Brad, No, you are you.

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01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 3: I don't know how you have all the energy, but

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01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 3: now I figured it out, Brad Olson. Thank you Infimetrics

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01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:46,719
Speaker 3: principal economists. He doesn't drink, so he doesn't have a hangover,

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01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:48,600
Speaker 3: he doesn't have the sluggish feeling in the morning, he

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01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,840
Speaker 3: doesn't have all of that time that's just taken up

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01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 3: with being, you know, off his face. So he's got

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01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,759
Speaker 3: productive hours. He is productivity in the community, in the economy.

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01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 3: Brad Olson, who is not only an economist but also

1631
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 3: the guy who turns up at everybody's parties and also

1632
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:07,600
Speaker 3: a JP in his free time. This is what you

1633
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 3: needed to cut the booze. People, cut the boos and

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01:17:09,560 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 3: you could be like Brad.

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01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: Six twenty one, The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health

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01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 3: Just quickly updating you on Israel. The Israel Defense Force

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01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 3: says Iran has launched a fresh wave of missiles at Israel.

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01:17:24,920 --> 01:17:27,799
Speaker 3: The BBC reporters in Jerusalem and in Tel Aviva reporting

1640
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 3: booms and explosions and sirens are sounding off across Israel,

1641
01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:33,599
Speaker 3: warning residents to take shelter. Will keep you posted throughout

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01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 3: the evening on that six twenty four. Jamie McKay, Host

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01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:37,920
Speaker 3: of the Country, Hey Jamie.

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01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:41,960
Speaker 8: Well, the Israel Iran conflict's not the big story of

1645
01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 8: the day. It's my after shape giving you migraines. I've

1646
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,880
Speaker 8: been getting texts from strange women and high places in

1647
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:52,840
Speaker 8: agriculture wondering about my art because.

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01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:55,320
Speaker 3: Because I said I need to know what, Because what

1649
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 3: I need to do is I'm getting I'll get migraines

1650
01:17:58,080 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 3: from perfume.

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01:17:59,000 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 4: I got it.

1652
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:00,920
Speaker 3: I know I got it from yours, and I know

1653
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 3: I got it from mine. So what I need to

1654
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:06,160
Speaker 3: put in is my ingredients. Listened to chat GPT and

1655
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 3: yours into chat GPT and see what the same same

1656
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 3: things are that caused the migrant But you can't remember

1657
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 3: what the perfume was.

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01:18:12,240 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 8: You know, good well no when you texted me last night.

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01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,280
Speaker 8: This has got nothing to do with farming, but it's

1660
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,960
Speaker 8: obviously one of the great mysteries of the world. I

1661
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 8: thought i'd toss that up, but I found it at

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01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 8: work in my office. Obviously it was bad.

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01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 6: What was there that was in the B team?

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01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 8: It was a Marnie I remember going through trying to

1665
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 8: get my normal Hugo boss man works to treat that

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01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 8: one either, I can tell you, and they didn't have any,

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01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 8: so I bought in the Marne. And then of course

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01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 8: you've shamed me and throwing it away.

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01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 3: Well, and you didn't even manage to follow through on that.

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01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,600
Speaker 3: What a maney was it? Because you know they do

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01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:45,360
Speaker 3: more than one.

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01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 8: A yeah, I will, I will search at my office

1673
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:50,560
Speaker 8: tomorrow and send you a picture.

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01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 3: Of your wonderful Thank you, Jamie Jesus. This is such

1675
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 3: a long drawn out process. It's been a witnessed by

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01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 3: so many people. We'll get to the bottom of it now.

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01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,640
Speaker 3: Farmers obviously feeling completely beat, aren't they.

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01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 8: Rabobank Farmer Confidence Survey, the Q two one came out

1680
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,519
Speaker 8: today and it was good news, although just a word

1681
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 8: of warning. We've got a GDT auction tonight, second of

1682
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:16,759
Speaker 8: the new farming season futures market picking down four percent

1683
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 8: for the powder's fatter weeed un less. My guy says

1684
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 8: maybe down two or three, So just some downside risk

1685
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 8: with that dairy pal. But this survey is obviously retrospective,

1686
01:19:27,920 --> 01:19:32,240
Speaker 8: so it's found that farmer confidence in the broader agri

1687
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 8: economy was unchanged at a net positive reading of plus

1688
01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 8: forty four along with the last quarterly report, the first

1689
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:42,920
Speaker 8: one this year. That's the highest or the second highest

1690
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 8: equal net reading across the past decade, only surpassed by

1691
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:51,360
Speaker 8: quarter two of twenty seventeen. And if you want trying

1692
01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 8: to figure out what happened in quarter three and four

1693
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 8: of twenty seventeen, you might remember Winston chose to sin

1694
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:00,519
Speaker 8: to just thought i'd throw that in there. So the

1695
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 8: first survey found forty eight percent of farmers were expecting

1696
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:09,560
Speaker 8: the agri economy to improve. Among farmers with a positive outlook, unsurprisingly,

1697
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 8: commodity prices with the absolute main reason driving optimism sixty

1698
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 8: two percent. Improved marketing sixteen that's the likes of Fonterra

1699
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 8: and Zespriy doing good work, and of course overseas markets

1700
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,960
Speaker 8: and economies at fourteen percent. That number might be drifting

1701
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:29,839
Speaker 8: off for we. But interestingly, just finally, growers were markedly

1702
01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 8: this is you know, the fruit growers and the grain

1703
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:36,080
Speaker 8: growers were markedly more positive about their prospects than they

1704
01:20:36,120 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 8: were in the last quarter. Because the sheep and beef

1705
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 8: and dairy farmers have been pretty positive this year. The

1706
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,960
Speaker 8: growers had had a tough time, but obviously were coming

1707
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:48,519
Speaker 8: off the back of really good Kiwi fruit and pretty

1708
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 8: good apple prices.

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01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 9: So there you go.

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01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 8: That is everything you ever wanted to know about after

1711
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 8: shave apples and Kiwi fruit and dairy beef and lamb

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01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 8: in one go.

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01:20:58,160 --> 01:20:59,360
Speaker 6: Look, you're not paying me enough.

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01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 3: Award to your text with the picture tomorrow, Thank you Jamie,

1715
01:21:02,680 --> 01:21:05,920
Speaker 3: as always Jamie McKay, Host to the Country. Right, We're

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01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 3: off to China to see how much trouble we're in

1717
01:21:08,040 --> 01:21:10,000
Speaker 3: as a country because we went to India first and

1718
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 3: not China. Our parents and Chinese are pretty upset about that.

1719
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Speaker 3: Get the details headlines next.

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01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 4: D crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's heathered Duplessy Ellen with the Business Hour and mass

1722
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:31,880
Speaker 1: insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth, Protect your future news

1723
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:32,639
Speaker 1: talks that'd.

1724
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:42,080
Speaker 3: Be Inder Bradies with us out of the UK and

1725
01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,880
Speaker 3: ten minutes time. Also, iag the insurance guys have done

1726
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Speaker 3: a really interesting survey. This is if you are thinking

1727
01:21:48,840 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 3: about buying a beach house right next to the beach,

1728
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Speaker 3: you're probably gonna want to hear this because I think

1729
01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 3: there's some warning signs in this. I'll get you across

1730
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 3: that shortly twenty four away from seven now, the Prime

1731
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 3: minister's on his way to China this Trade Deller legation

1732
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 3: as we speak. He's going to meet with President Chijingping

1733
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:06,559
Speaker 3: on Friday. David Mahn is the chief executive of man

1734
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 3: China Investment Management, currently in Beijing and with us. Now, Hey, David, hi, Heather,

1735
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,080
Speaker 3: I have written. I've read rather the paper that you've written,

1736
01:22:15,160 --> 01:22:17,600
Speaker 3: and it doesn't sound like you think the Chinese are

1737
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 3: going to be very impressed with this delegation. What are

1738
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:20,639
Speaker 3: we doing wrong here?

1739
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 20: The delegation is coming very late in the Prime Minister's tenure,

1740
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:31,799
Speaker 20: and there's an emphasis that he was in India before

1741
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 20: with the largest trade delegation in New Zealand's history. He's

1742
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 20: bringing an important but very modest one to China. So

1743
01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:41,400
Speaker 20: and I think he's only thirty hours on the ground,

1744
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,800
Speaker 20: so it's almost perfunctory and sends a message to China

1745
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:48,840
Speaker 20: that although they're our largest trading partner in a sense,

1746
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,720
Speaker 20: they don't matter so much to us and we can't

1747
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 20: afford to do that.

1748
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 3: Is this US perhaps overthinking this or is this already

1749
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 3: how they feel?

1750
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:02,360
Speaker 20: Well, I'm I've lived in Beijing for forty years and

1751
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 20: although I don't have high level contacts, I know people

1752
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 20: that work in the system and relate to getting with Oceania.

1753
01:23:10,240 --> 01:23:14,000
Speaker 20: And quite clearly the Chinese government has watched this New

1754
01:23:14,080 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 20: Zealand government announce its intentions to draw closer to America

1755
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 20: form alliances with America after forty years of being a

1756
01:23:22,160 --> 01:23:26,880
Speaker 20: non allied country. And that means really working to contain

1757
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:30,400
Speaker 20: China or join war games against China. So we can't

1758
01:23:30,439 --> 01:23:32,960
Speaker 20: have both if we want to be close to America

1759
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:36,080
Speaker 20: and under its wing, it's one thing or trade freely

1760
01:23:36,160 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 20: with all As a non allied country that makes its

1761
01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,640
Speaker 20: own choices, we need to be careful of that. So

1762
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 20: now I don't think Beijing's happy at all.

1763
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 3: Okay, So what are they going to do then to

1764
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:46,560
Speaker 3: express their unhappiness.

1765
01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:52,640
Speaker 20: Well, it's a hospitable culture and the red carpets that

1766
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 20: we rolled out, and there'll be good speeches, and I'm

1767
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:58,400
Speaker 20: sure that the Prime Minister will be treated with courtesy,

1768
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 20: and I'm sure the whole delegation will have a good run.

1769
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 20: I think it's possible that there will be messages of concern.

1770
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 20: I don't know that, and we probably won't know because

1771
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 20: in those meetings there are very few people. But it's

1772
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 20: something which our foreign affairs culture and business as a

1773
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:23,120
Speaker 20: hearing in China that China is worried about this country

1774
01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 20: that has a small country, but one that has been

1775
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:31,000
Speaker 20: its own person in a sovereign sense for so long,

1776
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 20: and China trusted and relied on We were the first

1777
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,040
Speaker 20: to have a free trade agreement with China is beginning

1778
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 20: to go into this camp where it's like culture wars,

1779
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,960
Speaker 20: where you're dealing with a world where the post colonial powers,

1780
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 20: governments run by I suppose Western anglophone white people, want

1781
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 20: to retain some kind of primacy. And this is an

1782
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 20: old idea, one that really hasn't characterized our politics for many,

1783
01:24:59,560 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 20: many decks. So they look at this and I think

1784
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:06,879
Speaker 20: they're perplexed. But the legacy is so good. My instinct

1785
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 20: and from what I'm hearing, is that they'll wait for

1786
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 20: the next election and see what that new government says

1787
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,040
Speaker 20: and what kind of stance they'll take.

1788
01:25:15,280 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 3: Okay, So no tinkering with the FTA or anything kind

1789
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,720
Speaker 3: of punishment at the moment, I.

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01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 20: Don't think so. I think also China's got so much

1791
01:25:23,680 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 20: on its hands with countries that are far more important

1792
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 20: than that. We're probably not on the radar, which has

1793
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:30,439
Speaker 20: been to our benefit.

1794
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 4: David.

1795
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 3: Do you think that we're doing the wrong thing though,

1796
01:25:32,640 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: because I mean, we have been told for a very

1797
01:25:35,320 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 3: long time we need to diversify away from China and

1798
01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 3: that will be diversifying towards India, and India need to

1799
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,400
Speaker 3: be formed over and that is what we've done, is

1800
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 3: that the wrong thing to do to prioritize India over China.

1801
01:25:49,240 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 3: Do you think for the broadery New Zealand economy.

1802
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 20: Not at all. I think we go back to John

1803
01:25:55,920 --> 01:26:00,400
Speaker 20: Keyes administration. He made considerable efforts towards India trying to

1804
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 20: get the basis of a free trade agreement. And I

1805
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:05,679
Speaker 20: think when we look at the growth of our trade,

1806
01:26:06,120 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 20: of course we should diversify. A prudent company does that,

1807
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 20: so a country should. And India is far more complex

1808
01:26:13,160 --> 01:26:17,160
Speaker 20: than China. India has far more internal barriers to trade

1809
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:21,400
Speaker 20: with foreign countries than China, but it is a huge economy,

1810
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 20: it's growing. We should be I think, giving more attention

1811
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:27,280
Speaker 20: to Indonesia. There's more work to be done in Vietnam

1812
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 20: as well. But it has been a narrative about ten

1813
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:33,640
Speaker 20: years now. And this is a Wellington thing. This is

1814
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,240
Speaker 20: on a national labor thing that we should be doing

1815
01:26:37,320 --> 01:26:40,600
Speaker 20: less with China because China's bad and I think a

1816
01:26:40,640 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 20: lot of our officials are more comfortable going to Washington, Canberra, London,

1817
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 20: Brussels than Hanoi, Beijing, Manila. So this is a mindset

1818
01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:56,160
Speaker 20: that we need to get past. We're an Asia Pacific economy,

1819
01:26:56,760 --> 01:26:59,680
Speaker 20: and I think China's important. We should expand here and

1820
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:01,639
Speaker 20: yet diversify elsewhere where we can.

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Speaker 3: It's good to talk to you, David. I really appreciate

1822
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 3: it this, David marn, chief executive of man China Investment Management.

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01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:12,280
Speaker 3: Together do for ce Ellen right, if you've got yourself

1824
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,000
Speaker 3: a house by the beach, or you're thinking more importantly,

1825
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 3: if you're thinking of getting a house by the beach,

1826
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,000
Speaker 3: here's a heads up. Okay. So IOG does an annual

1827
01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 3: climate survey and for the first time they've asked the

1828
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 3: public whether it would be acceptable to deny insurance cover

1829
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 3: for higher risk homes, and the majority of people said yes,

1830
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:32,439
Speaker 3: it would be okay to say now we're not gonna

1831
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:34,680
Speaker 3: We're not gonna cover you. Sixty seven percent said yes,

1832
01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 3: eleven percent said disagree now immediately because the arset for

1833
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,879
Speaker 3: the first time, I feel like they're testing the waters.

1834
01:27:42,280 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 3: They say, no, no, it's not a reflection of an

1835
01:27:44,040 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 3: intention to start with drawing insurance from owners of riskier homes.

1836
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,680
Speaker 3: But I think that you could, and they say, but

1837
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 3: it is. It is deepening the risk based pricing, so

1838
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:55,240
Speaker 3: you know if you're gonna if you're gonna buy a

1839
01:27:55,280 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 3: place next to the house, next to the sea, you

1840
01:27:58,040 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 3: are gonna have to pay a bit more. And I

1841
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 3: think you should read the tea leaves on this and

1842
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,720
Speaker 3: maybe the most extreme so you're going to pay more.

1843
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 3: Most extremers you don't get cover. Maybe we'll see how

1844
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 3: it goes back. I think you should just start thinking

1845
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 3: about this by the looks of things. They also asked

1846
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 3: if they can withdraw existing cover. Fifty three percent of

1847
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:18,920
Speaker 3: people say yep, absolutely fine. Twenty two percent of people disagree. Basically,

1848
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 3: there is a feeling that people There is still a

1849
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 3: strong feeling amongst people, according to IAG that insurers need

1850
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 3: to treat their existing customers more favorably than new customers.

1851
01:28:29,439 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 3: Seventy eight percent of people think that you have a

1852
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:34,880
Speaker 3: right to be insured. Sixty seven percent of people think

1853
01:28:34,920 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 3: the government should step in when insurance becomes unaffordable and

1854
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,519
Speaker 3: like basically be your you know, maturer of last resort.

1855
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 3: Fifty five percent agree that the government should step in

1856
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 3: when insurers pull back from ensuring higher risk locations. Sixty

1857
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:49,439
Speaker 3: percent agree that insurers should raise premiums for those homes

1858
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 3: and businesses that face more risk. Seventy one percent said

1859
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:54,320
Speaker 3: that they accepted they would have to pay more for

1860
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:56,599
Speaker 3: their insurance if they live in a high risk location,

1861
01:28:56,920 --> 01:28:59,160
Speaker 3: which I think is a bit of a welcome attitude

1862
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:01,679
Speaker 3: shift because it was only forty one percent in twenty

1863
01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 3: nineteen who thought that they should pay more. Up to

1864
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:06,840
Speaker 3: seventy one percent. Now this is reality setting. In Ninety

1865
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 3: percent of people who answered the survey expected more extreme storms,

1866
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:16,360
Speaker 3: eighty nine percent saw more frequent and intense flooding, and

1867
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 3: twenty percent said they had used their knowledge of climate

1868
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 3: hazards to help decide where they lived. I would have

1869
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 3: hoped that number would be higher because I'm assuming it

1870
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 3: doesn't catch the obvious stuff, like you understand the climate. Therefore,

1871
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 3: you're not going to buy a house right next to

1872
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 3: the beach if the thing is, if there's constantly storms

1873
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 3: at that particular beach, but who knows, who knows? Anyway,

1874
01:29:35,080 --> 01:29:36,800
Speaker 3: if you think about buying that beach house, just think

1875
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 3: about that, because it's going to get very expensive to

1876
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 3: ensure it's sixteen away from seven.

1877
01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 4: Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics.

1878
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:47,240
Speaker 1: It's all on the business hours with Heather Duplicy Allen

1879
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 1: and who Theirs Insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect

1880
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 1: your future.

1881
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:54,720
Speaker 3: The use dogs d me interesting here, How does the

1882
01:29:54,800 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 3: survey of the uninformed public possibly inform risk assessment? Will Harvey?

1883
01:29:58,439 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 3: Very good question, but is it not what people are tolerate?

1884
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 3: That would be that would be an indication of what

1885
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 3: IAG is able to do without us spitting the dummy,

1886
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:10,799
Speaker 3: don't you think? Thirteen away from seven into Brady, UK correspondent, Hey, Inda.

1887
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 7: Hey Hea, they're good to speak to you again.

1888
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:14,719
Speaker 3: Okay, so we've signed the deal. We're all happy.

1889
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:18,559
Speaker 7: Trade deal done. Yes, so Keir Starmer on the face

1890
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 7: of it is very happy. Indeed, so he has got

1891
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 7: this over the line. The UK becomes the first country

1892
01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 7: since Trump announced his tariff war and everybody else, the

1893
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 7: UK is the first country to sign a deal get

1894
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,600
Speaker 7: it over the line. And what it means is ultimately

1895
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,360
Speaker 7: jobs being saved in UK car manufacturing. So we know

1896
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,600
Speaker 7: Trump bailed out with the G seven. He said he

1897
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:43,120
Speaker 7: had to go deal with big stuff. This is pretty

1898
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 7: big for the UK. So what it means is that

1899
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,040
Speaker 7: there will only be a ten percent tariff on vehicles

1900
01:30:49,080 --> 01:30:52,400
Speaker 7: from the UK heading to the United States when the

1901
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 7: alternative was twenty five percent. So right now you would

1902
01:30:56,360 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 7: say UK car manufacturing has certainly stolen a march on France,

1903
01:31:00,400 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 7: Italy and Germany.

1904
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. Hey, I see the Princess of Wales turned

1905
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:05,360
Speaker 3: up at the Gata Dyce parade.

1906
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, this is a lovely positive story for Kate actually,

1907
01:31:09,479 --> 01:31:12,479
Speaker 7: so she hasn't been there for two years. William by

1908
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:15,360
Speaker 7: her side. She looked radiant. It was in Windsor, and

1909
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,879
Speaker 7: this is like centuries old tradition. There was an annual

1910
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 7: procession down the main street, just for a short little

1911
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,800
Speaker 7: distance but the public can get to see the royal family.

1912
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:30,200
Speaker 7: Kate was there and obviously two years ago she was

1913
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:33,680
Speaker 7: in the beginnings of everything with the cancer treatment. It's

1914
01:31:33,720 --> 01:31:35,680
Speaker 7: two years since she was last there, so she's been

1915
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:39,919
Speaker 7: through Helen back. She looks fantastic. And one side note yesterday,

1916
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,280
Speaker 7: while she was being cheered by the public, the photographer's

1917
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 7: clocked Prince Andrew being driven very discreetly in through a

1918
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,400
Speaker 7: side door for the lunch afterwards. So he has no

1919
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,320
Speaker 7: public role anymore, but there was a free lunch going

1920
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 7: so Andrew was there of course.

1921
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:57,880
Speaker 3: I mean he could surely afford a lunche at home.

1922
01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:01,479
Speaker 7: He wants to be part of the pump and the

1923
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 7: pageant track. Look, you're dealing with a guy who has

1924
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,719
Speaker 7: not put a foot right since the Falklands War forty

1925
01:32:07,800 --> 01:32:11,240
Speaker 7: three years ago. So like, you know, he's utterly immovable

1926
01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:14,160
Speaker 7: to what the public think about him. But it says

1927
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:15,680
Speaker 7: a lot that he's not able to walk down the

1928
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:17,200
Speaker 7: main street in his own country.

1929
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 3: How did you boil in the tube today?

1930
01:32:20,360 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 7: Absolutely?

1931
01:32:21,200 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 6: So.

1932
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 7: We are in a heat wave here, would you believe

1933
01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 7: not by Australian or American standards? At twenty six celsias today,

1934
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:31,920
Speaker 7: it's going to hit thirty by Friday, and we're in

1935
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 7: for at least ten days of sustained heat the tube.

1936
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 7: You know, I was on it yesterday and would you

1937
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 7: believe it? There was a signal failure. It was so

1938
01:32:42,760 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 7: hot it was unbearable. And then the tannoy comes and

1939
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,240
Speaker 7: says this train will be stopping here because of a

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Speaker 7: signal failure, and you're like utterly marooned nine stops from

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Speaker 7: where you're meant to be going. So good old Uber

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Speaker 7: rescued me. But at some stage you just think how

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Speaker 7: hard is it to put air cone on tubes when

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Speaker 7: it's twenty six celsius above ground? It was absolutely sweltering.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is happening every summer to you guys.

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Speaker 3: Now is it time to get a pool?

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Speaker 6: Do you know what?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they might have to talk to the bank manager

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Speaker 7: on that one, haven't.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're going to You know, you're not

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Speaker 3: living in the gentle climate now, Hey, Enda, thank you

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Speaker 3: so much mate, look after yourself. Enda Brady, UK correspondent.

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Speaker 3: WhatsApp has broken its promise not to introduce ads, and

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Speaker 3: it is going to introduce ads. It's going to start

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Speaker 3: in the next few months. You're going to start seeing

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Speaker 3: the ads. The co founder and chief executive, the original

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Speaker 3: chief executive, had promised there would never be ads on

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Speaker 3: any WhatsApp, and he'd gone to the extent of actually

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Speaker 3: writing this on a note and then taping it to

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Speaker 3: his desk, and he basically argued that the reason they

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Speaker 3: didn't sell ads on Instagram is that when advertising is involved,

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Speaker 3: you are the product, so they're basically selling your stuff

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Speaker 3: on WhatsApp. This is that being how people are interpreting

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Speaker 3: this is that WhatsApp is no longer just a messaging app.

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Speaker 3: It is now a social media app. Now, to be

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Speaker 3: honest with you, I cannot follow that logic. I don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand. Has something changed ants a bit because

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Speaker 3: you use it, don't you for your your nefarious behavior?

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Speaker 3: Has something changed in WhatsApp? Is it not just sending

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Speaker 3: messages to each other?

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 23: I think you could make it the argument it's always

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Speaker 23: been a social media app though. Yeah, Well, in Spain

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Speaker 23: and a lot of countries like that, people use it

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Speaker 23: instead of Facebook for all their group chats and sharing

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Speaker 23: photos and stuff and the same things that we do

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Speaker 23: on social media, and a lot of developing countries as well.

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Speaker 3: I thought, Okay, I still think that's really pushing the

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Speaker 3: limit of what a social media is.

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Speaker 23: Well, and like my parents don't use any social media

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Speaker 23: at all, so that's where like all the holiday snaps,

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Speaker 23: whether I want to see them or not, all just

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Speaker 23: sort of get sent to me and the other members

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Speaker 23: of the family and that. Yeah, so yeah, you just

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Speaker 23: can't get it, even the tech phobic parents. You can't

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Speaker 23: get away from the.

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Speaker 3: MENI okay, but he's got it anyway, So that you go.

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Speaker 3: If you thought that it was the one last place

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Speaker 3: you could retreat to without seeing an ad for a

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Speaker 3: Mediterranean cruise, you can't anymore. By the way, what we're

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Speaker 3: trying to do is Ants does not believe that complete

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Speaker 3: skeptic on this one. Yep, that your phone listens to you.

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Speaker 3: So all day I have been talking to my phone

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Speaker 3: about needing to do a Mediterranean cruise, and we're just

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Speaker 3: going to see every time I say it, I have

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Speaker 3: to lift my phone up to my mouth, so just

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Speaker 3: to make sure that gets it.

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Speaker 23: So my argument is, if you've been in the same

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Speaker 23: room with anyone who's actually been on a Mediterranean cruise.

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Speaker 3: I tried to pick something random, Ants that none of us.

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Speaker 23: There's a lot of people who work in this building.

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Speaker 23: I'm sure at least one of them has been on

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Speaker 23: the bogs. He might have just got back for all that.

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Speaker 3: That Box he's always on a Mediterranean cruise, but because

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Speaker 3: the guy's loadedges would fire him if.

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Speaker 23: He's looking at it and he's like, oh, hither is

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Speaker 23: in the same building as Michael Boggs. Occasionally they're in

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Speaker 23: the other Warriors stadium. I wonder what they're talking about.

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Speaker 7: Box.

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Speaker 3: He's been in the same building as me for seven years.

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Speaker 23: But at some point he's probably talked to you about

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Speaker 23: a cruise.

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Speaker 3: So you think so you think that if I get

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Speaker 3: an ad for a Mediterranean cruise in the next like

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Speaker 3: twenty four hours, that it will be purely because Boxy

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Speaker 3: is up.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, according to this big conspiracy display I have behind

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Speaker 23: me with all the writing on it. Yeah, that's exactly

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Speaker 23: what's gonna see.

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Speaker 3: No, if it happens in the next twenty four hours,

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Speaker 3: it's because it's listening, and you know it's listening anyway.

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Speaker 23: I refuse to accept that.

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Speaker 3: Well, of course, listen to this guy seven away from seven.

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Speaker 3: I haven't got any ads just yet for that Mediterranean cruise,

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Speaker 3: but I am getting lots of Ooh, europe Travel is awesome,

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Speaker 3: and Europe Travel is awesome has popped up as an

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Speaker 3: ad on my Facebook.

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Speaker 23: Okay, is that because you've been talking about a Mediterranean

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Speaker 23: cruise or is that because it knows that you travel

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Speaker 23: a lot, because the day travel you've got children, Like yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 23: you've been, you've been on whatever, just accept it. To

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Speaker 23: do you not have the in New Zealand app or

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Speaker 23: something similar on your phone and they're.

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Speaker 3: Oh, she's your hard to commence. So today and today

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Speaker 3: when I arrived at work, Kesser was pulling out Kerry

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Speaker 3: Woodham and I said, she seen everyone. She's moving the goalpost.

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Speaker 23: She always does.

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Speaker 3: She said, Hei, that you're looking wonderful. I said, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm not. I need to lose weight because I'm fat

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Speaker 3: after having a baby, and you should try seeing me naked.

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Speaker 3: And I'm getting dresses. I'm getting dresses served fat girl

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Speaker 3: dresses served me on Facebook.

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Speaker 6: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: It's listening anyway.

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Speaker 23: I'm not touching that what.

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Speaker 3: I touched it go.

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Speaker 23: I can't get no satisfaction by the Rolling Stones to

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Speaker 23: play us out tonight. Before the show absolutely fell apart

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Speaker 23: in the last ten minutes. Tim Wilson was on earlier

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Speaker 23: and trying to make it happen then talking about how

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Speaker 23: the nineteen sixties were a rubbish decade and throwing shade

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Speaker 23: at the nineteen sixties. So I thought I would play

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Speaker 23: a great song from the nineteen sixties Rolling Stones. I

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Speaker 23: can't get no satisfaction there you go.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't all bad, was it. Do you think he

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Speaker 3: was born in the sixties?

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Speaker 7: Could be right?

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Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, a lot of people really hate the decade

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Speaker 3: that bullman. I think that might be yet anyway, because

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Speaker 3: that punished by their parents' taste, Do you know what

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Speaker 3: I mean? Anyway, good luck to me seeing if they

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Speaker 3: thank God that piece of legislation hasn't passed yet, or

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Speaker 3: I might be fired over night. Anyway, I see you tomorrow.

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Speaker 14: Bye.

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