1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: The Prime Minister's with us. Very good morning to you morning, Mike, 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: could be okay? Should I with Jason and Andrew? And 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,040 Speaker 1: it wasn't on the news last night and I was surprised, 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: should I raise with them your cricketing? 5 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 2: I am in pain, my friend, I am in a 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: lot of pain. I went and played a charity cricket 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,159 Speaker 2: match yesterday. You know how at my age, she sort of, 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you're a bit different because you're clearly an athlete. 9 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: You know, we're eating your root barb or whatever it is, 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 2: back calls or whatever. But I am very sore today. 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 2: I've had three tilenal extra strengths. This morning it was 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 2: I have a prophen Last night my wife decided to 13 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,640 Speaker 2: get sort of the best sad gun out this morning. 14 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 2: Last night she put me in the Thermer boots. Over 15 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: the evening while I've watched the first set of the 16 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: tennis but three for thirty, three for thirty very expensive overs. 17 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: Though miracle, I got the ball on the pitch didn't 18 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 2: bounce twice, which was good, and I had a very 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: important innings to secure the show and just keep someone 20 00:00:57,760 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: else good on strike. 21 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 1: Good only a five run raising money for charity did 22 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: you crack a half century? 23 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: No, I cracked five runs over a gazillion overs as well, 24 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 2: But it came down to the why it was one 25 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: bore one week at one run and t twenty match 26 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: and very fun. 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: Good on you the trump board. How seriously did you 28 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: consider it? 29 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: Look, there were some pretty upfront concerns, as you could imagine. 30 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 2: We're a small country with pretty limited resources. Our focus 31 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: should be on the end of Pacific, which is where 32 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 2: I've put all our energies in the last two years. 33 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 2: The border piece, I think will have a very you know, 34 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 2: the core challenge has to be sort of delivering and 35 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: following through on the gars a piece plan. And when 36 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: you look at that, you go, well, there's actually a 37 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: lot of Arabian nations that are actually regional players that 38 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 2: are better suited than us, and frankly, spending almost two 39 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: billion dollars on when I could be spending it on 40 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 2: New Zealanders on schools, roads and hospitals probably a better choice. 41 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: Well, we don't have two billion dollars. Just to be clear, 42 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: my understanding was you got invited for a three year period. 43 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: Everyone gets invited for a three year period, and that's 44 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: for free or is that incorrect? Yeah, if you want 45 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: a permanent place, yeah have a been you do inficial 46 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: three years and then if you want to stay on 47 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: you pay another billion? 48 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 2: Do you pay a billion dollars? 49 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: Yet? Okay, did you talk to Australia about it? Because 50 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: he still hasn't. 51 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: No, he still made up just made our own decision apparently, 52 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: And I think we're one of the first countries to 53 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: come out and just say look, from our point of view, 54 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: it just doesn't make sense. 55 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 1: Okay. The Peter's thing on immigration twofold won the FTA 56 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: in India? Is this Peter's you know, like try and 57 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: give us a thing to I assume this is Peter's 58 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: playing games. 59 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: Well I respect once, no doubt about it. But he's 60 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: just playing wrong on this Indian FTA. I mean he 61 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:29,959 Speaker 2: was wrong on the China FTA, which he opposed as well. 62 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 2: It's forty billion dollars that we've created for the economy 63 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 2: and if you're fast forward ten years from now, it's 64 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 2: going to be fantastic being and the fastest growing you know, 65 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: third third biggest economy, fastest growing economy probably in the world, 66 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: and largest one of But what's. 67 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: His problem with it? If he's wrong. I mean, it's 68 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 1: fullly evidence. 69 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: Well, he's going after the immigration part of it. I know, 70 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: it's that the sixteen hundred and seventeen hundred people a 71 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: year come out on a three year visa. It can't 72 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: be extended. They have to go home. The Indian government 73 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: wants them to go home as well. And essentially what 74 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: we've done is we've linked into the green so the 75 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: people that we need from the Green list anyway. And 76 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 2: so it's not like it's incremental or editor if it's 77 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 2: actually we are very We've got a smart immigration policy 78 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: that's very linked to our economy, very linked to our 79 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 2: infrastructure development. And so his concerns about this chain migration 80 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: and all these other things, we don't have ilegal immigration. 81 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: It's not the UK, it's not the US. 82 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 1: So are you just see I'm personally disappointed in this 83 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: because I look at what he's done as Foreign Minister 84 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: and he seems to have you know, no ute had 85 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: come of age and he's a class act. And yet 86 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: suddenly an election year we're going back to the Winston 87 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven. Will will play some dumb games. 88 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: Well, I mean he's obviously had a position in his 89 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: Party and himself over immigration and about and as I said, 90 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: he posed the China FTA as well, and I think 91 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 2: he was wrong on that. I think he's going to 92 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: be wrong on this, so you know, irrespective of that, 93 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 2: it's disappointing, but I think it's not actually a political thing. 94 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: It's actually a New Zealand thing. Like at the end 95 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: of the day, New Zealand grew under labor national governments 96 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: doing a China FTA with a growing economy, and that's 97 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 2: what we want to do. We want to grow as 98 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: that as the Indians go from four hundred and forty 99 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: million middle class to seven hundred and fifty million by 100 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: the end of the decade, we want to be in 101 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: on the ground floor and growing with them strongly. And 102 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 2: that's what this deal does. And I'm really comfortable this deal. 103 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: We have worked really hard. You know, no one's going 104 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 2: to get a better deal than what we've achieved on dairy. 105 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 2: You we've got optionality there if someone does in the future, 106 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 2: we can renegotiate, a right to renegotiate. 107 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:24,919 Speaker 1: You know. 108 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: On the immigration thing, I think we've got really good 109 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: checks and balances on that. We've linked it very strongly 110 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: into the Green Green List. So I don't you know, 111 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: I respect once in a lot, I like them a lot, 112 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: but it's just wrong. 113 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: Is have you got the letter from labor yet given 114 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: you need their numbers? 115 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 2: Mate? I get so many letters from so many people 116 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 2: in conjunction with. 117 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: The Yeah, so they were allegedly sending you. I don't 118 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: know it's you, Will McLay, but they were sending a 119 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: letter with their concerns, issues, whatevers. You got that, you 120 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: know where. 121 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:54,200 Speaker 2: I haven't seen it myself. 122 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,559 Speaker 1: God may happen. But that they're going to play games. 123 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: You don't have the numbers, so it becomes serious. 124 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:00,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but I think you It's been very positive 125 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: to see encouraging statements from Damian O'Connor, who understands us 126 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 2: very well. I mean he was a good Trade minister 127 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 2: as well. So I mean I think they get it. 128 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: So but look, we're very much up for engaging with it. 129 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: But you don't anticipate any problems from them all. 130 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 2: I don't think so, no, no, no no. From what 131 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 2: I've heard from remarks from both Hipkins and O'Connor, I 132 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 2: don't think we will do but the other thing, but 133 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 2: I'm very happy we will be engaging with them obviously 134 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: in much. 135 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this, but coverage over 136 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: the weekend in Australia. Peters is also causing trouble about 137 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 1: the number of people who've gone to New Zealand or 138 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: come to New Zealand who are applying for Australia and 139 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: so what's he up to. 140 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,279 Speaker 2: Well, again, I've looked at the rates over the last 141 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 2: ten to fifteen years of people that may be coming 142 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 2: to New Zealand as New New Zealanders live here for 143 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: a while and then ultimately move over to Australia, and 144 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: it hasn't really changed that significantly. And frankly, if you're 145 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 2: thinking that New Zealand's a back door to getting into Australia, 146 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: it's actually much quicker, faster to go directly into Australia, 147 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 2: and so it doesn't make a lot of sense or logic. 148 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: You know, as I said to you that you know, 149 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 2: I get other countries around the world. If you talk 150 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: about Western Europe, UK America, there's been massive tranches of 151 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: illegal immigration and that's a real nightmare. When you can't 152 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 2: control your own sovereignty and your own border, that's a problem. 153 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 2: But that has not been New Zealand's problem. We have 154 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 2: had a very smart, consistent immigration policy. It's about linking 155 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 2: it to our economic agenda, linking it to us. 156 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: But once you've got them here, they then go hello, 157 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: we can suddenly I'm in New Zealand, or i can 158 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: pop across the. 159 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: It's not but if you look at the pathways into 160 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: Australia that they've had very open and good pathways, and 161 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 2: in fact that some ways their immigration settings have been 162 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: more competitive than ours. And so why would someone come 163 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: from say India to New Zealand to then go to 164 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,720 Speaker 2: Australia versus actually go straight into Australia. So I don't 165 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: think that that sort of logic holds. 166 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 1: The other thing, I'm really good just tell I don't 167 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: even know this is a thing, but we're discussing with 168 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: the United States our Critical Minerals Framework. It's non binding. Apparently, 169 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: is this a thing? Is this going anywhere? Does it 170 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: mean anything? 171 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: Well, I mean it got them. I saw it in 172 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: the papers on we can have got a sort of 173 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: very speculative and ahead of itself, frankly, and we haven't 174 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: made a cabinet decision or we had a fullsome discussion 175 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: about it all. But do we want to develop a 176 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: critical minerals sector in His Zealand? Absolutely? Why because AI 177 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: and superconductors is the future of the world and we 178 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 2: should be not naive to that and we should be 179 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: understanding what resources we have here at home. But how 180 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 2: we develop it will do it in our own brutal 181 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: national interests. And so we have conversations with the Americans, 182 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: but nothing's been agreed. 183 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: Are they keen? Presumably? 184 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: Well, I mean I think you know, the Americans are 185 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: talking to like forty fifty countries about critical minerals at 186 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: the moment, So I mean, you know, we will get out, 187 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: we will make our own decisions, as you've seen us 188 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 2: do that act in our own interests, and so there's 189 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 2: some conversations. We should continue those conversations, but until we 190 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: make a decision, but we will develop the sector in 191 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 2: our own interests. 192 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: See. I can't listen to Shane Jones. He seems to 193 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: he rolled off a whole lot of minerals that I'd 194 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: never heard of that he thought was somehow Yeah, there's 195 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: been Do we have a big collection of this? 196 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think so. I mean, les I looked at 197 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: it once before. I remember think there's about thirty three 198 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: critical minerals in the world, and I think we had 199 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 2: about twenty four to twenty five of them based off 200 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: our geologists assessment of what we've got. Now, that's great, 201 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: but you've obviously got to develop that. You've got to 202 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 2: get capital and to unlock that value. And as I said, 203 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 2: should we be looking at it, absolutely, but we will 204 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: develop it in our own interests. 205 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: Okay, one O seven is the consumer confidence number that 206 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: came out pretty good? Yes it is. And I had 207 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: Gareth Cannon on the program last week from Inframetrics. He's 208 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: not convinced the recovery is real. It might come later 209 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: in the year, but he says there's a touch of 210 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: deja vu here in the January Febuary period. We were 211 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: here last year, we're here again. It looks similar you 212 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: so well. 213 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 2: I disagree. I think last year the year before was 214 00:08:44,640 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: quite challenging because remember we had a very negative Q 215 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 2: three number that we were dealing with as we went 216 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: into Christmas last year. The year before last, I think 217 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 2: you've seen so much leading indicator stuff. You've seen. You've 218 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: got a one percent GDP growth, you've got business confidence 219 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 2: at a at A I think to beend on fourteen 220 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: year high, you've got a consumer confidence. The thing on 221 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 2: the consumer confidence I was really pleased with was it's 222 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,760 Speaker 2: in our cities and it's certainly Auckland leading it. And 223 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: you and I talked last year, you know, you know, 224 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 2: we started having a conversation. We're in recession. We said, 225 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: that's two speed. We've got a bit of the country. 226 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,200 Speaker 2: Half the country is sort of working, and our problem 227 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 2: was Auckland in the major centers, and it's now clearly 228 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: coming through. And I think, you know, as I've moved 229 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: around the country in the last couple of weeks, even 230 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: over the last month, the number of tourists we've got 231 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: here is great. Even the vibe downtown and hospitality is 232 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 2: starting to feel better. So I think there's a lot 233 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 2: of positives here. 234 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: So do you think ever sales pictu in that sense? Sorry, 235 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: do you have a sales pitch in that sense? Ine 236 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: election year? So in other words, I can cite to 237 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: Q three. I'm assuming Q four will be something similar. 238 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: I guess we've got growth. But Ken's saying I'm not convinced. 239 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: If he's not convinced, voters aren't convinced, and it's them. 240 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: You need to convince it. 241 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,760 Speaker 2: No, yeah, sure, but that's essentially it's transmission. 242 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: Right. 243 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 2: You go from a recession where no one's doing well, 244 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: you go into half the country doing all right through 245 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 2: provincial and rural New Zealand and South Island. We say 246 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 2: that we talked about it. Yeah, we've got a them 247 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: in Auckland in particular because of inflation, because of interest 248 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 2: rates and development. Now you've got Auckland started to fire 249 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 2: with consumer confidence, business confidence, investment. I saw investment was 250 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 2: looking really good. And now people and the challenges people. 251 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 2: You can see the stats and the numbers, but now 252 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 2: you've got to get people to feel it. And I 253 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: think that's the transmission that we need to see the 254 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 2: next phase. And that's the same way we've approached law 255 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: and order and education other things, but just that the 256 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: economy just got to go through that way. 257 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: You'll note that I didn't ask you about why Tangy day, 258 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: and that's because I suspect every other journalist in the 259 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: country will be doing that. 260 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, like I hope you share that. 261 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: Enjoy your time there. For more from the Mic Asking 262 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: Breakfast listen live to news talks that'd be from six 263 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio