1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,200 Speaker 1: Captain of the money Minui, commander of Von Gray is 2 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: among three Navy officers being charged over at sinking in 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Sami last year. You remember that they all face court 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: martial proceedings alleged of negligently causing a ship to be lost. 5 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: John Battersby is senior fellow, Massive University Center for Defense 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: and Security Studies. John. Good morning, John. Are they are they? 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: What's the story here? Are they out for blood or 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: is this just process or what? 9 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: I would definitely say it's process, and it's inevitable whenever 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: a major air set light. This is lost in peace time, 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,960 Speaker 2: of course, is going to be an inquiry is huge 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:36,639 Speaker 2: public interest, major public Yes, there has to be an 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: inquiry that exhaustively looks at all the circumstances. And as 14 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: a commander of a naval pistol, your one job is 15 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: to keep that above order. So no, they're not out 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: for that. This is the accountability process that is perfectly 17 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: normal in a circumstance. 18 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: Does it mean that they've looked at other factors and 19 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: determined it must have been human era? 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: Though? I think they've looked at all possible factors, and 21 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 2: I think that when the Naval report that came out 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:09,560 Speaker 2: did highlight a number of contributed factors or associated factors. 23 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: So no, it doesn't, it doesn't rule those out. But 24 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 2: what it does do is the human element of this 25 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 2: needs to be explored, and that is what this inquiry 26 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 2: will do. 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: Okay, what is that negligence? What's the punishment? Well, what 28 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: could be a punishment or something like that. 29 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: Oh, there could be a range of punishments, and it 30 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: would be probably unwise to be too too speakative about that. 31 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 2: The losing a ship in peace time, that's a that's 32 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 2: a serious matter. So I can't imagine there'll be a trifle. 33 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: Hey, your thoughts John, on what's going on in the 34 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: Middle East? You must be interested in that. 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 2: Oh, when your reporter rang me last night, he said, 36 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: we're not going to ask you about that, So be 37 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: prepared for everything. Yeah, look there, there's Look, there's are 38 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: so much happening over there at the moment. I would 39 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: say historically, whenever the Americans have got involved in Iran, 40 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: there's been a short term tactical success and much small, severe, 41 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: longer term, much less successful outcomes. See the fifty three 42 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: overturning of a democratic elected president there led to a 43 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 2: period of very very poor government that was not in 44 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: the advantages of the Iranian people and inevitably lead to 45 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 2: the two and seventy nine which has put the current 46 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: regime in there. So look from a historical perspective, not 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 2: looking terribly enthusiastically at what's happened over there, although you 48 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 2: know that raging is horrific. So while I won't publicly 49 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 2: celebrate the death of any human individual, the overturning of 50 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: the raging, but that is going to happen. As long 51 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: as it leads to a better one could be a 52 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 2: good outcome. But again, we seem to be hoping a lot, 53 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: and there doesn't seem to be a clear objective in 54 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: what the Americans are doing, not a clear cut one. 55 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 2: There's no obvious successor we could go back to what 56 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: was there before. 57 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, John, thanks very much your time 58 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: this morning, John Battersbey, Massaw University Center for Defense and 59 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: Security Studies. For more from early edition with Ryan Bridge, 60 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,680 Speaker 1: listen live to News Talks at b from five am weekdays, 61 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.