1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:04,120 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Chrystopal Laction's with us. Very good morning to you, Monnie, Mike. 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: How are you very well? Indeed, So what we're going 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: to do is continue with yesterday's post cabinet press conference, 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: and what I would like you to do is apologize 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: for the drug thing, and then I'm going to ask 6 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: you nine or ten more times to apologize and keep apologizing. 7 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: I mean, oh, look, I appreciate you, Mike. They actually 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 2: seeing through it all, which is I've delivered on a 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 2: promise and more than to pass what I promised. So yep, 10 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: it's a different process. Yeah, we got in there in 11 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: a different way. But the most important thing is you 12 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: and I both know people that are dealing with cancer 13 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: and just hope to give some people some hope, which 14 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: is great. 15 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, despite their 16 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: best efforts, what we got from it was the realism. 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: I mean, you shouldn't have done what you did in 18 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: the thirteen and that was a mistake and all that 19 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: sort of thing. But in the end, we got better 20 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: than we thought and you can't argue with that. And 21 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 1: that's a lot of people being helped. 22 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it goes from several thousand people to 23 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy five thousand people in twenty six 24 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: new chance of treatments up to fifty four as part 25 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 2: of a package of fifty four more medicine. So you know, look, 26 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 2: I mean I think it is president. I think it's 27 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: quite a transflational investment. I think it's something you know, 28 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: as a politician, you know, Genie feel proud about this one. Yes, 29 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 2: it's different from what we propose, but actually I'm more 30 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: interested in the outcomes, and I promised those outcomes and 31 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: we've now surpassed those outcomes, which is good. 32 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: Are you settled on farmac or were you trying to 33 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: do something different with the original thirteen idea another words, 34 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: suggesting farmac, wasn't it? Yeah? 35 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 2: Look, I mean you know in opposition we were looking 36 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 2: at it saying, look, there's these thirteen cancer drugs that 37 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: we know would have some benefits to New Zealanders. There 38 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: exist in Australia more or less they should be here. 39 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 2: Let's find a pathway to get them to New Zealanders. 40 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: And then when we came to government it was like, well, 41 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: yes we could go outside Farmac to deliver them, but 42 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 2: actually we don't want you know, farming actually works quite 43 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 2: well in the sense of having to negotiate the prices 44 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: for these things as drugs as well as obviously determine 45 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: the efficacy of them, and so putting it back and 46 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: making sure it was in the pharmac process was important. 47 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 2: Ultimately we decided, but it just took a bit longer 48 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: than we anticipated. But I've got there, and I think 49 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: we've got a really good outcome, and I just you know, 50 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 2: just say to people, think about your friends and family 51 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: that are dealing with it. I'm thinking of three or 52 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: four people that I know going through cancer battles at 53 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,079 Speaker 2: the moment, and you know this will make a big 54 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: difference to them. So, yep, the means is different. But 55 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 2: most importantly, we delivered on the promise in the commitment. 56 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: Exactly what you didn't answer to my satisfaction yesterday is 57 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,519 Speaker 1: the six hundred and three million dollars you seem to 58 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: be thinking about. You'll find some savings here there. This 59 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: is your operating budget already coming under stress, isn't it. 60 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it'll come out of budget twenty twenty five operating allowance. 61 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 2: There is some also contingency this year that have been 62 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: you know that we have you know, we'll use this 63 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 2: year as well. The other point I was trying to 64 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: make yesterday, which was that, you know, people seem to 65 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: think that, you know, our ongoing savings drive here on 66 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 2: government spending when it's over one hundred billion dollars, you know, 67 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: there needs to be an ongoing daily practice here of 68 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 2: just making sure that everything we're spending money on is 69 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: making an impact. And you know that is just an 70 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 2: ongoing piece of work I'm expecting to drive. You know, 71 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 2: we're already starting thinking about save more savings programs, you know, 72 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 2: and I'm expecting CEOs to manage those big budgets. You know, 73 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 2: we've put you know, sixteen point seven billion dollars investment 74 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: into health. You know, we've put big investments into education, 75 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: into police. You know, we want those organizations to make 76 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 2: sure all of that money is getting the results. That's 77 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: what I'm interesting. 78 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: But if you think about it in an ovation way, 79 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: technically speaking, what you announced yesterday, you don't have the 80 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 1: money for right here, right now, and you weren't planning 81 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 1: on that. That's correct, isn't it. 82 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 2: Well, it's just that as we went through the budget process, 83 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 2: we realized we needed a bit more time to work 84 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 2: out the detail of how we're going to do it, 85 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 2: and you know, it's not unusual that we'd put the 86 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 2: provision against budget twenty twenty five. But we also have 87 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: a contingency money that will enable us to get up 88 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: and going and moving, and so it doesn't stop us 89 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: from pushing forward in October and getting these drugs starting 90 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: to come through. But you know, but also we've got 91 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 2: an ongoing savings program which we're determined to keep driving. 92 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: And you know that is it's a different mindset that 93 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 2: I'm trying to put into Wellington, which is, you know, 94 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 2: you've got a heap of government spending. You just can't 95 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: because we've had a program that we've always spent money on. 96 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: If it's not working in delivering results, stop it, you 97 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 2: knock it on the head and put it into something else. 98 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: And so it's a very different mindset versus just let 99 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: me get some new incremental money to add onto the 100 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 2: money that I've already got. I want these agencies to 101 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: think about the total investment that they've got going on 102 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: and actually asked questions of how to get more efficiency 103 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 2: out of that, not just the new money they get 104 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: it to budget. 105 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: If you were frustrated with that. Yesterday what you were frustrated, 106 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: seemingly were your comments on the youth camps and this 107 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 1: ongoing commentary that we just whine about the fact that 108 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: we need to do what we've been doing forever. Is 109 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: that a Beltway intellectual left wing it doesn't work thing, 110 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: or have you missed something here and you're not convincing 111 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: New Zealander is that a youth camp might actually have 112 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: some effective results. 113 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: I has come at it looking saying, look the situation 114 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 2: wherein it's just unacceptable, right. I mean I was at 115 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 2: a jewelry store last year Pooja Jewelers good got hit 116 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 2: with a hammer over the weekend. He's now in hospital maturely. 117 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: When I visited yesterday morning, just say, man, we're sick 118 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: of this, right, I'm sick of that. You're sick of that. 119 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: We're all sick of it. And you can't sit there 120 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: and say, gave them fifty percent violent crime at thirty 121 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 2: three percent, ram raids up, you know, four times retail 122 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 2: primate one hundred percent and say everything's fine and Zealand 123 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 2: it's not fine, and it's not fair that the Zealanders 124 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 2: are not safe from their homes and business community. So 125 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,160 Speaker 2: I'm sorry. You know, people can intellectualize and give me 126 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 2: their punditary and commentary about boot camps, but I Am 127 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 2: going to try and do things differently because we have 128 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 2: to get a different seat of outcomes. Just doing more 129 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: of the same and intellectualizing, having lovely debates and discussions 130 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 2: interesting to a point that it doesn't get the job done. 131 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 2: So I am going to do these military academies. We're 132 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 2: going to put a pilot in July. We've got a 133 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: blend of military involvement and principles as well as obviously 134 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: community support. We know we've got to do a better 135 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 2: job when these kids come out of these residential programs 136 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: that are on the right program, but then they go 137 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 2: back into the environments that actually take them back into 138 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: a bad pathway and I'm putting investment into that. So 139 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 2: you know, I just sort of like, you know, people 140 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 2: can say what they want, but at the end of 141 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 2: the day, you know we're going to get the job 142 00:05:58,120 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 2: done because one of the sick of three equpment made 143 00:05:59,920 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 2: is in are restored or an audit, and we have 144 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 2: to do that because people need to feel safe, and 145 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 2: you know, you and I live in Auckland and then 146 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,160 Speaker 2: you go down to the Auckland CBD. Well, we're going 147 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: to have fifty one more costs by the July down 148 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: to the CBD on the beat doing what we want 149 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 2: them to do and be highly visible to crack down 150 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 2: on what is a pretty anti social behavior going on 151 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: down there. And people don't want to go into the 152 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 2: city anymore. So you know, you've got to do stuff. 153 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: You've got to try stuff, and I don't even care 154 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: whether it does or doesn't work. Ultimately, I am going 155 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: to try stuff to get a different set of outcomes. 156 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 2: So I thought of, Yeah, a bit of frustration you 157 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 2: today is you know, as people asking around you, questions 158 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: around it, but it's like, well, I'm sorry, but we're 159 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 2: going to do. 160 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: Stuff, can we Rayle? Have they let you down? 161 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: Well? Yeah, I mean it's sort of not a great 162 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: thing that when you see that our terrier, you know, 163 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: trended like it was. You've got into a series of 164 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: investigations as to what happened here, and we've obviously got 165 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 2: had a big problem with respect to the i REX 166 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 2: project where massive cost by our and some practical considerations 167 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: around import infrastructure that sort of made that project untenable 168 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,599 Speaker 2: and just doesn't work. What we have done is said, look, 169 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: you know, and you remember we picked this up in 170 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 2: the first couple of weeks in government. Is we've put 171 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 2: a minister of the Advisory Group in just three folk 172 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 2: that have looked at all the options about the procurement 173 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 2: of the new fairies. That report has just come to 174 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 2: shareholding ministers at the end of last week. They'll digest 175 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: that and we'll get a good option for that. But 176 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: we need the right ship on the right piece of 177 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 2: water to deal with the challenge that we've got. 178 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: Reported this morning that Nikola Willis went to them and said, 179 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: you're spending far too much on consultants. So you're aware 180 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: of that, yep. Right, So they're spending far too much 181 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: on consultants and they're still going backwards at a rate 182 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: of knots and stranding their ships. The chairman's already gone 183 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: on the board. Why do they have nine board members 184 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 1: for god's sake, how many board members do you need? 185 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: Well, all I just say on that front is, you know, 186 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: we'll work with them to get a reliable cockstraight crossing 187 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: and we're going to work with a refreshed board. And 188 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 2: so yes, the chairman has resigned last week and we've 189 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: accepted that and we need to refresh that board because 190 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: clearly the results aren't good enough. 191 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: See, because part of the problem is so the plane, 192 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: I blame on you and the governments. You didn't spend 193 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: when you should have because it's political blah blah blah. 194 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: This is their fault. Should they be called out on it. 195 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: You've been let down by a company that should be 196 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: doing better. Is that fair? 197 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 2: Well, look, I think that's a fair challenge. I think 198 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: here we rail are responsible for the maintenance of their 199 00:08:17,640 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: current fleet. The asset life for those ferries is out 200 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: to twenty twenty nine from what I've seen, and it's 201 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: about making sure is that if if you're an airline 202 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 2: of other transport company or a fiery company, you've got 203 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 2: to make sure you've got the maintenance programs in place 204 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 2: to support those assets. That's that's quite normal that that 205 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 2: happens whether you've got trucks, planes, or ferries or boats. 206 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: So that is what they're responsible to make sure that 207 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: they are maintaining those vessels in the right way. What 208 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: we've which, yeah, well, and we've got to you know, 209 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 2: it's a critical piece of infrastructure. We get it, we 210 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: understand it. We've taken action to try and get procurement 211 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: of those ships into a number of options that we 212 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: want to see presented to us. And we've got to 213 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: get the right size, right ship on the on that 214 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: piece of order to do the job at hand. And 215 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: so I'm confident we can do it. But we are, 216 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: you know, we're working quite hard. 217 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: On that super quick because I'm almost out of time. 218 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: This medical hiring thing, so they claim as there's a 219 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: medical hiring freeze for front liners. They say, no, there's not. 220 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,320 Speaker 1: What they're now saying is that it's so difficult to 221 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 1: get a doctor in a hospital that the criteria is 222 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: so high it's virtually a freeze. What's the truth. 223 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like I saw that sort of blow up people 224 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: talk about that last week. I can tell you, like 225 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 2: the recruitment for clinical roles is continue. It haven't actually 226 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: been frozen, as I understand because I was Shane Rigy 227 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: about that when I think you raise it at the 228 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 2: end of at the end of last week. But just 229 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: there is a move essentially from a national approval process 230 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: to one that's led by hospital leaders, which is actually 231 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 2: what you want because you want individual hospitals actually recruiting 232 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 2: for what they need to meet local needs. So there's 233 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: it's a bit confusing that one as to where people 234 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: are coming from. And we've also even seeven months, we've 235 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 2: made pretty progress on recruiting more nurses. I think there's 236 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: been about three two hundred people from Memory just in 237 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: April and May that have been hired to can Health 238 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 2: and Zeal. So yeah, it's a bit confused by that 239 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: one as to what issue is and what people are saying. 240 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 2: Because we know we've got workforce challenges, we've been moving 241 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 2: at pace trying and re crept more nurses in particular. 242 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: We haven't frozen anything we might have. I think Healthy 243 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: Zell has changed the process, but it's a better process 244 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 2: and anyways to get the right people in the right 245 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 2: role in the right place. 246 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: Appreciate your time, Christopher Lux and Prime Minister thirteen. To 247 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: wait for more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live 248 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: to news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or 249 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.