WEBVTT - Leighton Smith Podcast #257 - September 25th 2024 - Dr Paul Marik 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:12.013 You're listening to a podcast from news talks it B. 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:16.213 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:16.773 --> 0:00:19.773 It's time for all the attitude, all the opinion, all 0:00:19.813 --> 0:00:24.893 the information, all the debates of us Now the Layton 0:00:25.013 --> 0:00:27.693 Smith Podcast powered by news talks it B. 0:00:28.773 --> 0:00:32.253 Welcome to podcast two hundred and fifty seven for September 0:00:32.293 --> 0:00:36.973 twenty five, twenty twenty four. What is truth is not 0:00:37.053 --> 0:00:40.813 an original question, Neither has it been answered legitimately in 0:00:40.893 --> 0:00:45.013 a myriad of circumstances. In fact, the search for truth 0:00:45.053 --> 0:00:48.733 has been stymied more often than most people would ever realize, 0:00:49.133 --> 0:00:53.213 in all sorts of circumstances. But for it to continue 0:00:53.253 --> 0:00:56.093 in the most elite circles as often as it does 0:00:56.613 --> 0:01:01.013 is not almost criminal, but criminality at its most shameful. 0:01:02.173 --> 0:01:05.653 And so it is in the world of science and medicine. Essentially, 0:01:05.653 --> 0:01:08.853 it's a case of follow the money. The story of 0:01:08.853 --> 0:01:12.533 doctor Linus Pauling is fascinating. His book The Nature of 0:01:12.573 --> 0:01:17.573 the Chemical Bond was or is considered chemistry's most influential 0:01:17.573 --> 0:01:21.653 book of the century. In the three decades since it 0:01:21.853 --> 0:01:27.813 was published, it was cited sixteen thousand times. Linus Pauling 0:01:28.453 --> 0:01:30.853 is one of only five in history to win two 0:01:30.973 --> 0:01:35.373 Nobel Prizes, but Pauling was essentially sacked from his job 0:01:35.693 --> 0:01:41.413 at the California Institute of Technology. Doctor Paul Merrick has 0:01:41.533 --> 0:01:46.053 enjoyed his reputation as the most published and influential clinician 0:01:46.093 --> 0:01:50.653 researcher in critical care medicine in the United States, and 0:01:50.733 --> 0:01:54.253 for good reason. Doctor Merrick is a giant in the 0:01:54.293 --> 0:01:58.733 academic research world, with an h index of triple i, 0:01:59.933 --> 0:02:02.853 which placed him in the top percentile of the world's 0:02:02.933 --> 0:02:06.893 elite published positions. But doctor Merrick was forced out of 0:02:06.933 --> 0:02:10.373 his position and career. To add a further insult, he 0:02:10.453 --> 0:02:14.933 was pressured to resign his medical license. A less a 0:02:14.933 --> 0:02:17.253 man might have given up, but not doctor Merrick. Despite 0:02:17.293 --> 0:02:21.573 facing financial, personal and professional ruin, Marrek focused not on 0:02:21.653 --> 0:02:25.493 himself but on others. With laser like intensity dodtor. Merrick 0:02:25.573 --> 0:02:28.973 found his footing on what mattered most to him, saving 0:02:29.173 --> 0:02:34.013 the life of others. But it didn't stop there. The 0:02:34.093 --> 0:02:38.853 story of doctor Paul Merrick is fascinating. Following the events 0:02:38.853 --> 0:02:42.693 that I've in part described, doctor Merrick turned his attention 0:02:42.813 --> 0:02:47.213 to cancer, but first something came to light shortly before 0:02:47.253 --> 0:02:51.053 this podcast was put to bed, and it came in 0:02:51.133 --> 0:02:55.373 the form of an email from Jordan Williams from the 0:02:55.413 --> 0:02:59.853 Taxpayers Union. At it's headed, Andrew Costa has lost the plot. 0:03:00.373 --> 0:03:02.973 Political pundits across the country spat out their coffee this 0:03:03.013 --> 0:03:06.373 morning upon turning to The New Zealand Herald's front page 0:03:06.413 --> 0:03:11.653 splash that Andrew Costa speaks out on being dragged into 0:03:11.933 --> 0:03:16.293 political debate. Andrew Coster is either trolling the nation or 0:03:16.453 --> 0:03:19.213 has the self awareness of a paper clip. According to 0:03:19.333 --> 0:03:24.013 Jordan Williams, Costa has overseen an enormous pivot by the 0:03:24.053 --> 0:03:28.133 New Zealand Police toward politics and advocacy. Back in June, 0:03:28.253 --> 0:03:32.093 the Police Commissioner's alter ego one Andrew Caster was doing 0:03:32.293 --> 0:03:36.373 media rounds advocating for the government to change alcohol regulations. 0:03:36.413 --> 0:03:41.213 For someone now crying tears about being dragged into political debates, 0:03:41.733 --> 0:03:44.893 it is weird that he was literally leading Morning Report 0:03:45.013 --> 0:03:49.013 just a few months ago in advocating for minimum pricing 0:03:49.173 --> 0:03:53.773 of alcohol. At the time, the Taxpayers Union labeled Costa 0:03:54.293 --> 0:03:59.413 a constitutional barbarian in that he was blatantly ignoring the 0:03:59.453 --> 0:04:05.893 long held constitutional convention that police, especially leadership, enforced the law, 0:04:06.373 --> 0:04:09.653 not lobby to change it has given the middle finger 0:04:09.693 --> 0:04:12.853 to the conventions he was supposed to protect. No wonder 0:04:12.893 --> 0:04:16.013 the new government has not been able to express confidence 0:04:16.053 --> 0:04:19.333 in him. It is a sad reflection on New Zealand 0:04:19.613 --> 0:04:22.693 and our public sector that the only way the government 0:04:22.693 --> 0:04:25.653 has been able to move Costa along is to park 0:04:25.773 --> 0:04:29.493 him in a cushy job in another government department. His 0:04:29.693 --> 0:04:32.413 lag of judgment shows he should be nowhere near a 0:04:32.533 --> 0:04:37.493 leadership role. Cabinet ministers know that that have gone along 0:04:37.533 --> 0:04:41.853 with yet another fudge orchestrated by the Public Services Commission 0:04:42.493 --> 0:04:45.653 for those that want our public service to succeed. It 0:04:45.773 --> 0:04:49.933 is deeply depressing. Now I've sat on the sideline for 0:04:50.093 --> 0:04:52.533 goodness knows how long now and what's cost it in action? 0:04:53.373 --> 0:04:55.853 And I've wondered time and time again how does this 0:04:56.053 --> 0:05:00.173 man retain that position? What does he know that we don't, 0:05:10.053 --> 0:05:14.533 Layton Smith, there are essential fat nutrients that we need 0:05:14.573 --> 0:05:17.453 in our diets as the body cart manufacture them. These 0:05:17.453 --> 0:05:21.573 are Omega three and Omega six fatty acids. 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It's called 0:06:43.853 --> 0:06:47.333 Betrayers of the Truth, Fraud and Deceit in the Halls 0:06:47.373 --> 0:06:51.973 of Science. Nicholas Wade is a journalist with The New 0:06:52.053 --> 0:06:54.853 York Times. He was one of the co authors, and 0:06:54.853 --> 0:06:56.533 it's the sort of book that The New York Times, 0:06:56.613 --> 0:06:59.053 quite frankly these days, wouldn't want to be associated with. 0:06:59.693 --> 0:07:02.973 In my opinion, I want to quote you from the back. 0:07:03.093 --> 0:07:05.733 Betrays of the Truth is an important book for it 0:07:05.853 --> 0:07:10.813 challenges the conventional wisdom of objectivity in science. It is 0:07:10.853 --> 0:07:13.493 not an indictment of all scientists, but rather a thoughtful, 0:07:13.533 --> 0:07:16.733 well written, and well documented analysis of how fraud and 0:07:16.893 --> 0:07:20.933 self delusion can occur in a system which too often 0:07:20.973 --> 0:07:24.613 is claimed to be immune to such deviations. I commend 0:07:24.653 --> 0:07:29.053 it to all readers. Now, the author of that quote 0:07:29.333 --> 0:07:34.813 was doctor Robert H. Ebert, former dean Harvard Medical School. Now, 0:07:34.813 --> 0:07:38.333 with the reputation that Harvard has at the moment, which 0:07:38.373 --> 0:07:41.133 is pretty near the bottom of a pit that's unlikely 0:07:41.173 --> 0:07:44.493 to come out of anybody from Harvard, that to me 0:07:44.733 --> 0:07:47.853 gives the opinion more weight. Anyway, It's a very good 0:07:47.853 --> 0:07:49.773 book that you can get on the second hand book 0:07:49.813 --> 0:07:52.973 market still. Now, off the back of that Washington post 0:07:53.573 --> 0:07:58.413 published August fourteen, the American Board of Internal Medicine revoked 0:07:58.453 --> 0:08:03.293 the certifications of Pierre Corey and Paul Merrick, two physicians 0:08:03.453 --> 0:08:08.293 known for continuing to promote ibermectin and anti parasitic medicaid 0:08:08.773 --> 0:08:12.933 as a treatment for COVID long after the medical community 0:08:12.973 --> 0:08:16.613 founded to be ineffective. The two men co founded the 0:08:16.653 --> 0:08:21.813 Frontline COVID nineteen Critical Care Alliance, which experts say spread 0:08:21.893 --> 0:08:25.213 misinformation about the coronavirus pandemic. Now you know that my 0:08:25.333 --> 0:08:28.933 opinion on experts these days has changed dramatically from what 0:08:28.973 --> 0:08:31.213 it was a few years ago. I'm sick to death 0:08:31.253 --> 0:08:37.013 of the word experts. The aforementioned Dr Paul Merrick is 0:08:37.053 --> 0:08:40.733 in the country at the moment. He is doing a 0:08:40.773 --> 0:08:46.813 speaking tour with another doctor specifically and more people. And 0:08:47.213 --> 0:08:50.133 it's my great pleasure to welcome Dr Paul Merrick to 0:08:50.973 --> 0:08:54.133 the Latensmith podcast. Welcome to New Zealand. Also, by the way, 0:08:54.133 --> 0:08:55.893 I know you've only been here a couple of days. 0:08:56.213 --> 0:08:58.893 Thank you kindly. It's an honor and apprivileged to be 0:08:59.013 --> 0:09:00.293 on the radio show with you. 0:09:01.093 --> 0:09:04.573 Just referring to that last little little quote I read 0:09:04.613 --> 0:09:10.813 from the Washington Post about you losing your license. That's 0:09:10.853 --> 0:09:14.973 not quite accurate, I know, because your license, particularly the 0:09:15.093 --> 0:09:20.413 Virginia license, which was where you were mostly expired in 0:09:20.613 --> 0:09:24.773 twenty twenty two. But the fact that they're still chasing you, 0:09:25.013 --> 0:09:28.733 they're still hunting you down, not just you, not just 0:09:28.813 --> 0:09:34.013 per Cory, but probably a countless number of, shall we say, 0:09:34.653 --> 0:09:39.573 most proficient doctors in America are the subject of a 0:09:39.653 --> 0:09:42.053 similar activity. What do you say to that, now. 0:09:42.573 --> 0:09:48.653 Yeah, so you're absolutely right that they revoked our board 0:09:48.773 --> 0:09:55.253 certification because we were accused of spreading misinformation and we 0:09:55.293 --> 0:10:00.533 are misinformationists and the reality is we just try to 0:10:00.613 --> 0:10:06.413 tell the truth. And science is not finite, it's not decided. 0:10:06.653 --> 0:10:10.573 It's an ongoing process, and you should be able to 0:10:10.853 --> 0:10:15.853 have a dialogue, free dialogue. And once once you sensor science, 0:10:16.133 --> 0:10:21.133 you decapitate science. And so you absolutely correct, they're going 0:10:21.213 --> 0:10:23.813 after peer and myself. And you may not know this, 0:10:23.933 --> 0:10:28.213 but I wrote a book called a Cancer Care Repurpose 0:10:28.373 --> 0:10:32.653 Drugs for the Treatment of Cancer, and the day before 0:10:32.653 --> 0:10:35.093 I actually came to New Zealand, the book was banned 0:10:35.133 --> 0:10:39.173 by Amazon. So Amazon was selling the book. They had 0:10:39.173 --> 0:10:41.653 been selling it for over a year, and then I 0:10:41.693 --> 0:10:45.453 got an email saying that you know, the information that 0:10:45.493 --> 0:10:50.973 I was providing was not truthful, was misleading, and that 0:10:51.093 --> 0:10:54.893 they banning my book and that I'm being banned for life. 0:10:55.413 --> 0:10:59.133 And all I was doing really was quoting peer reviewed 0:10:59.173 --> 0:11:02.693 literature as long as if I was making this stuff up. 0:11:02.973 --> 0:11:05.413 You know, the book has over eight hundred and sixty 0:11:05.893 --> 0:11:11.133 peer reviewed references and everything is peer reviewed, so there 0:11:11.173 --> 0:11:14.893 isn't assault if you go against the narrative, if you 0:11:15.173 --> 0:11:20.693 if you dissent in any way, it's what they do, 0:11:20.893 --> 0:11:26.853 whoever that they is. And it's very disturbing because you know, 0:11:27.053 --> 0:11:28.573 we should be able to in the same way as 0:11:28.653 --> 0:11:31.853 we're having a conversation. Now we may not agree with 0:11:31.933 --> 0:11:35.573 each other, but at least we can have a professional, 0:11:35.733 --> 0:11:42.293 courteous discussion, and that's what science and what life is about. 0:11:42.933 --> 0:11:44.493 And they don't like that. 0:11:45.053 --> 0:11:47.253 Now, is it possible that you can appeal against them? 0:11:48.133 --> 0:11:50.493 So we are yes. I mean, I think many people 0:11:50.573 --> 0:11:56.173 are outraged because it's completely unprecedented in in publishing history, 0:11:56.173 --> 0:11:59.373 because there are books that they sell that are for 0:12:00.093 --> 0:12:05.013 you know, for more for far less scientific, that provide 0:12:05.053 --> 0:12:09.093 information which is not truly accurate, and they being sold 0:12:09.133 --> 0:12:12.853 by Amazon. So we feel that they're specifically targeting me 0:12:13.533 --> 0:12:17.333 and targeting the book because you know, we strongly challenge, 0:12:17.893 --> 0:12:21.453 very strongly challenged the status quo, and that's what they 0:12:21.533 --> 0:12:27.773 don't like, particularly the financial implications. So in the US, 0:12:28.173 --> 0:12:32.413 cancer care is a two hundred billion plus industry, and 0:12:32.453 --> 0:12:37.453 so we are providing, you know, alternatives which can be 0:12:37.573 --> 0:12:45.293 used adjunctively or independently to promote people's health, to prevent cancer, 0:12:45.653 --> 0:12:50.693 and as adjunctive therapy to treat cancer. And obviously this 0:12:50.893 --> 0:12:56.493 goes against the narrative and it goes against mainstream medicine. 0:12:56.693 --> 0:13:01.413 You know, I have just checked with Amazon Australia because 0:13:01.413 --> 0:13:05.773 I've had a previous experience where the book was no 0:13:05.853 --> 0:13:08.013 longer available in America, but I could get it from 0:13:08.413 --> 0:13:12.813 Amazon Australia. What I've got is currently unavailable. We don't 0:13:12.813 --> 0:13:14.933 know when or if this item will be back in stock. 0:13:15.013 --> 0:13:18.173 So there's the answer. I would like to arrange with 0:13:18.293 --> 0:13:20.173 you somehow that I get a copy of that. 0:13:20.933 --> 0:13:24.373 Yeah, so obviously the book's no longer available, and so 0:13:24.733 --> 0:13:27.613 the email they sent me made it quite clear that 0:13:27.653 --> 0:13:32.853 the book has discontinued. My accounts discontinued, and I've been discontinued. 0:13:33.333 --> 0:13:36.533 So the book you can't get from Amazon. We obviously 0:13:37.453 --> 0:13:41.453 are working out alternatives, but I can most certainly send 0:13:41.453 --> 0:13:44.653 you a PDF of the book for you to read. 0:13:44.973 --> 0:13:47.573 That would be very useful. Now, I did know that 0:13:47.653 --> 0:13:52.493 you'd published that book, because I've done a little bit 0:13:52.493 --> 0:13:56.013 of a little bit of background. But what I don't 0:13:56.093 --> 0:14:00.893 understand is how they can justify the comments that they 0:14:00.973 --> 0:14:05.533 made to you based on the statistics that you produced 0:14:05.733 --> 0:14:09.013 and the effect that it had on patients at East 0:14:09.053 --> 0:14:12.133 Virginia Medical School where you were in those early days. 0:14:12.413 --> 0:14:16.493 What has followed on from that, sorry, after you left EVMS, 0:14:17.133 --> 0:14:20.373 what has followed on as far as that hospital is concerned. 0:14:22.573 --> 0:14:26.293 Yes, that's a good question that they that continued along 0:14:26.333 --> 0:14:29.453 their merry way as if I was never there. So, 0:14:30.493 --> 0:14:33.573 I mean, the way this all started, if you remember, 0:14:34.173 --> 0:14:37.933 is in March of twenty twenty, the NIH the CDC, 0:14:38.173 --> 0:14:42.573 the who said, you know, there's no specific treatment for COVID, 0:14:42.973 --> 0:14:45.413 you just stay at home until you got blue. And 0:14:45.653 --> 0:14:49.693 any physician will tell you that's completely ridiculous. A physician 0:14:49.733 --> 0:14:52.533 is not going to just watch a secrepation and do nothing. 0:14:53.053 --> 0:14:56.053 So that's what was the impetus for, you know, doctor 0:14:56.173 --> 0:14:59.573 Corey and myself and some other colleagues to put together 0:14:59.893 --> 0:15:04.333 the FLCCC and the protocols, and so that's what we did, 0:15:04.653 --> 0:15:07.613 and it was based on the best available science. You know, 0:15:08.333 --> 0:15:12.253 we looked, we understood the disease, we understood the science, 0:15:12.373 --> 0:15:16.533 and we basically put together a protocol. You know, initially 0:15:16.573 --> 0:15:22.893 we recommended corticos steroids, and we were severely reprimanded. People 0:15:22.933 --> 0:15:25.933 said it was unethical to use the cordico steroids for 0:15:26.013 --> 0:15:29.693 a viral illness. But lo and behold, six months later, 0:15:29.773 --> 0:15:33.813 the recovery study came out showing that cudico steroids were 0:15:33.853 --> 0:15:39.493 life saving. We used anti coagulants happened, which was subsolutely 0:15:39.613 --> 0:15:44.373 proven to be correct. And then obviously we realized that 0:15:44.453 --> 0:15:47.773 the best way to control the pandemic was early treatment. 0:15:48.413 --> 0:15:52.893 And I think that remains as valid today as it 0:15:53.093 --> 0:15:57.613 was then. Is there's no disease that benefits from waiting 0:15:58.133 --> 0:16:00.533 until the patient progresses to the point they need to 0:16:00.533 --> 0:16:04.173 go to a hospital. It's an absurdity. So we put 0:16:04.173 --> 0:16:07.853 together an early treatment protocol. And as it so happens, 0:16:07.893 --> 0:16:12.813 there are twenty or twenty five pharmaceutical or nutraceutical drugs 0:16:12.853 --> 0:16:16.133 that have been shown to be highly effective for the 0:16:16.213 --> 0:16:25.213 early treatment of COVID, including hydroxychloroquin and overmectin. So that's 0:16:25.213 --> 0:16:28.053 how we got into this. But you know, the hospital 0:16:28.173 --> 0:16:33.133 I was that basically much like Amazon banned me, they 0:16:33.253 --> 0:16:36.853 banned my protocol which was highly successful. You know, we 0:16:36.853 --> 0:16:40.933 looked at my data versus other clinicians data, and the 0:16:41.053 --> 0:16:44.213 data suggested we could reduce the risk of hospital death 0:16:44.653 --> 0:16:49.653 by at least fifty percent. But that was inconvenient because 0:16:49.853 --> 0:16:54.493 I was not using the WHO or H protocols. So 0:16:54.613 --> 0:16:57.293 you know, what I've come to discover is that this 0:16:57.373 --> 0:17:00.733 is not about doing what's best for the patient. This 0:17:00.813 --> 0:17:05.333 is not about optimizing patient outcome. This is not about 0:17:05.373 --> 0:17:11.613 helping people. This is about conplex of interest, financial interests, 0:17:11.613 --> 0:17:12.853 and power plays. 0:17:13.333 --> 0:17:17.053 Can you recall off the top of your head what 0:17:17.213 --> 0:17:23.093 your results were when you first were active with hospital patients. 0:17:24.013 --> 0:17:28.253 Yeah, so you know, it's been debated and Corey and 0:17:28.333 --> 0:17:33.733 myself were actually accused of false, falsifying data, and scientific 0:17:33.813 --> 0:17:37.853 misconduct because we published the data. So we know that 0:17:37.893 --> 0:17:42.733 the hospital mortality from COVID was around twenty percent, we 0:17:42.813 --> 0:17:46.573 published data showing that it was in our hands eight percent, 0:17:47.173 --> 0:17:50.013 and that eight percent was data I received from the 0:17:50.093 --> 0:17:53.893 chief medical officer. He personally gave me the data and 0:17:53.933 --> 0:17:56.573 told me that it was about eight percent, and that's 0:17:56.613 --> 0:17:59.853 what we published in our papers. So that's a significant reduction. 0:18:00.533 --> 0:18:03.693 What they then did after the fact is accused us 0:18:03.733 --> 0:18:07.253 of scientific misconduct because they were able to show that 0:18:07.293 --> 0:18:10.853 with time the mortality went up to about ten percent. 0:18:11.653 --> 0:18:14.413 And obviously if you followed patients for long enough, some 0:18:14.453 --> 0:18:16.973 of them will die. But we looked at twenty eight 0:18:17.053 --> 0:18:22.093 day mortality, and so based on the complaints of the 0:18:22.133 --> 0:18:26.933 hospital and the hospital system, the journal retracted and removed 0:18:26.933 --> 0:18:32.253 the paper, accusing us of scientific misconduct. And so even 0:18:32.533 --> 0:18:37.333 if one takes a conservative reduction, they claimed it was 0:18:37.373 --> 0:18:41.613 ten percent. We know the hospital mortality was about twenty percent. 0:18:41.773 --> 0:18:45.253 So at least we were able to show that there 0:18:45.333 --> 0:18:51.173 was at least a of the fifty percent reduction in 0:18:51.253 --> 0:18:56.293 the risk of death. But that was very inconvenient for them. 0:18:56.733 --> 0:19:02.813 Indeed, after the pandemic struck, doctor Merrick wrote to the WHO, 0:19:03.053 --> 0:19:06.333 doctor Fauci, the head of the NIH, the head of 0:19:06.373 --> 0:19:09.413 New York City's Department of Health, and the health minister 0:19:09.613 --> 0:19:15.173 in Lombardy in Italy about his new repurpose drug COVID 0:19:15.253 --> 0:19:22.533 protocol pre ivermectin, involving vitamin C cursoritin, zinc, and melatonin. 0:19:22.933 --> 0:19:25.013 He explained that lives could be saved by offering this 0:19:25.093 --> 0:19:30.133 to patients immediately. Doctor Merrick wrote in his letter, doctor 0:19:30.173 --> 0:19:34.893 Fauci and others are promoting the idea of performing randomized 0:19:34.893 --> 0:19:38.813 control tests. I believe that is unethical. I believe it's 0:19:38.893 --> 0:19:42.053 unethical to do such trials. How can you offer patients 0:19:42.053 --> 0:19:45.333 a placebo when testing a drug that you believe may 0:19:45.373 --> 0:19:48.933 have clinical efficacy. Every patient needs to get the best 0:19:48.973 --> 0:19:51.933 treatment that we can offer. We could expect no less 0:19:51.933 --> 0:19:56.333 from our loved ones. Furthermore, once these trials are eventually completed, 0:19:56.693 --> 0:19:59.813 we will all be dead or the pandemic will be over. 0:20:00.133 --> 0:20:02.213 This does not mean that we should not be studying 0:20:02.253 --> 0:20:06.893 the impact of these interventions. Detailed observational studies can provide 0:20:07.053 --> 0:20:12.013 useful information. What did you get back from the expert, 0:20:12.053 --> 0:20:14.253 doctor Plci? Yeah? 0:20:14.333 --> 0:20:17.813 So please you quoted that because I had forgotten that letter. 0:20:18.053 --> 0:20:21.693 We had sent that same letter to hundreds of people, 0:20:21.773 --> 0:20:27.013 you know, healthcare administrators, heads of state, the who, and 0:20:27.173 --> 0:20:30.413 we did not get a single response, not a single response. 0:20:30.973 --> 0:20:35.533 And you know, obviously I'm pretty impressed with what we 0:20:35.573 --> 0:20:39.973 wrote that because it holds the same position then as 0:20:40.013 --> 0:20:44.013 it does now. The idea of doing a randomized study 0:20:44.493 --> 0:20:49.213 when you actually have an effective therapy goes against the 0:20:49.253 --> 0:20:53.493 whole hypocratic principle. And so you know, for example, you know, 0:20:53.733 --> 0:20:58.813 we developed a protocol for using vitamin C for sepsis, 0:20:59.333 --> 0:21:03.213 and we consider doing a randomized study, but my nurses 0:21:03.293 --> 0:21:06.853 refused because they could with their own eyes, they could 0:21:06.853 --> 0:21:10.933 see how effective vitamins was for treating early sepsis, and 0:21:10.973 --> 0:21:14.413 they said, it's unethical. How can you randomize a patient 0:21:14.973 --> 0:21:18.213 to get placebo when you know the drug you're giving 0:21:18.453 --> 0:21:22.493 is effective. And that's essentially what they were trying to do, 0:21:23.213 --> 0:21:27.653 is that, as I said, as a clinician, you give 0:21:27.773 --> 0:21:31.213 the patient your your only interest is the patient in 0:21:31.253 --> 0:21:33.653 front of you, and you have to do what you 0:21:33.733 --> 0:21:37.693 think is in the patient's best interests, and you know, 0:21:38.013 --> 0:21:42.293 to randomize them to placebo is completely unethical. And you're 0:21:42.333 --> 0:21:45.733 right at the beginning, we were convinced that, you know, 0:21:45.853 --> 0:21:50.173 and the data has borne out that for certain vitamin C, zinc, 0:21:50.693 --> 0:21:56.493 and vitamin D are really highly effective in preventing and 0:21:56.573 --> 0:22:01.253 treating COVID. You know, instead of you know, if if 0:22:01.773 --> 0:22:04.733 the health agencies were really concerned about the health of 0:22:04.773 --> 0:22:10.133 the elderly people in elderly homes, probably the most important 0:22:10.213 --> 0:22:13.013 intervention would have been just to give the vitamin D, 0:22:14.093 --> 0:22:18.333 just because we know vitamin D has such potent immunological properties, 0:22:18.773 --> 0:22:21.293 and we know if you have a good vitamin D level, 0:22:21.773 --> 0:22:25.093 your chances of dying or getting ready sick for COVID 0:22:25.173 --> 0:22:28.773 already close to zero. So what they should have just done, 0:22:29.133 --> 0:22:33.253 so cheap, so effective, is just given these people vitamin D. 0:22:34.133 --> 0:22:38.333 But again it went against the consensus, and nobody makes money. 0:22:38.653 --> 0:22:42.813 You know, vitamin D is a over the counter generic drug. 0:22:42.893 --> 0:22:48.573 It's exceedingly cheap that one makes money from describing vitamin D. 0:22:49.173 --> 0:22:52.093 And there's no question in my mind if we had 0:22:52.333 --> 0:22:57.133 gone on a campaign of promoting vitamin D, the mortality 0:22:57.293 --> 0:22:59.813 from COVID would have been significantly less. 0:23:00.333 --> 0:23:04.013 What about vitamin C? I would have thought that vitamin 0:23:04.093 --> 0:23:07.893 C would have been at the forefront of the medical 0:23:07.893 --> 0:23:09.813 professions interest. 0:23:11.293 --> 0:23:14.613 Yeah, so, you know what people don't recognize is that 0:23:14.973 --> 0:23:18.013 there are only two species on this planet that don't 0:23:18.053 --> 0:23:21.773 make vitamin C when you stressed. So humans and guinea 0:23:21.813 --> 0:23:24.453 pigs are the only species that don't make vitamin C? 0:23:25.853 --> 0:23:28.813 Are they one and the same human beings? 0:23:28.853 --> 0:23:34.573 And yeah, sometimes it's difficult to tell the difference between 0:23:34.893 --> 0:23:38.693 a guinea pig and a human and that's a good one. 0:23:38.973 --> 0:23:42.093 But you know, just from a genetic and evolutionary point 0:23:42.093 --> 0:23:45.853 of view, we know humans just don't make vitamin C 0:23:46.013 --> 0:23:48.933 when they stressed, and vitamin C is more of a 0:23:48.973 --> 0:23:52.573 stress hormone than it is a vitamin and plays a 0:23:52.613 --> 0:23:57.133 really important role in the stress response. So it doesn't 0:23:57.173 --> 0:24:01.533 really matter what the stress is. It could be psychological stress, 0:24:01.613 --> 0:24:05.413 it could be psychiatric stress. It could be stressed because 0:24:05.533 --> 0:24:11.373 you writing exams that you you need to produce vitamin C. 0:24:11.893 --> 0:24:15.373 And obviously if you're having surgery or have had trauma, 0:24:15.933 --> 0:24:19.373 you can't produce vitamin C. Vitamin C is really important 0:24:19.853 --> 0:24:22.973 and so that's why, you know, we would suggest any 0:24:23.373 --> 0:24:27.293 you know, if you're healthy and you eat a regular diet, 0:24:27.333 --> 0:24:30.373 you should get enough vitamin C. But if you stress, 0:24:30.453 --> 0:24:35.093 if you're under a stress situation, most definitely you should 0:24:35.253 --> 0:24:37.013 supplement with vitamin C. 0:24:37.653 --> 0:24:40.813 I'll ask you a question. Well, I've got a couple 0:24:40.853 --> 0:24:45.053 of questions. Actually they fit together. What's the greatest challenge 0:24:45.373 --> 0:24:50.133 threat or problem that confronts science medical science in particular, 0:24:50.453 --> 0:24:53.693 as that's what we're talking about. Can I make a 0:24:53.733 --> 0:24:55.213 suggestion that it's politics. 0:24:57.173 --> 0:24:59.693 Yeah, so you ask a really good question, and it's 0:24:59.813 --> 0:25:05.893 really unfortunate. Unfortunately science has been co opted by other 0:25:06.053 --> 0:25:13.413 forces politics, finance, power, and so you know, just just 0:25:13.813 --> 0:25:18.573 the fact that we're being censored is really a significant 0:25:19.413 --> 0:25:23.613 attraction of what science should be. You know, we don't 0:25:23.653 --> 0:25:27.853 have to agree. Science is evolving, it changes. I mean 0:25:27.893 --> 0:25:30.533 we know that, you know, people did blood letting and 0:25:30.733 --> 0:25:34.573 leaches and all kinds of therapies based on what they 0:25:34.733 --> 0:25:37.573 at that time, you know, thought was the best therapy. 0:25:37.733 --> 0:25:43.053 But science progresses, it's evolving, and so we need to 0:25:43.093 --> 0:25:46.813 be able to have differences of opinion, We need to 0:25:46.893 --> 0:25:55.853 explore different options. And certainly, once politics gets intertwined in science, 0:25:56.013 --> 0:25:57.813 it can only pervert science. 0:25:59.093 --> 0:26:03.973 So my other question is your opinion of Scientific American. 0:26:04.933 --> 0:26:09.333 You mean the journal Scientific Americans. So you know, I 0:26:09.373 --> 0:26:12.533 can look at my life at pre COVID and post COVID, 0:26:12.893 --> 0:26:16.853 you know, BCAC, and I can say that BC I 0:26:17.013 --> 0:26:21.773 used to believe almost everything that came from the medical 0:26:21.853 --> 0:26:28.413 journals New England Journal Lands at Scientific America, because that's 0:26:28.453 --> 0:26:31.413 what we were led to believe. These people have no 0:26:31.653 --> 0:26:35.293 vested interests, there's no conflict of interest, and that the 0:26:35.373 --> 0:26:39.813 science is true. I've subsequently discovered that at least eighty five, 0:26:39.933 --> 0:26:46.693 maybe ninety percent of published papers of fraudulent, deceptive, dishonest. 0:26:47.253 --> 0:26:51.733 And that's very, very disturbing, because if you can't trust 0:26:52.533 --> 0:26:57.973 these organizations and these journals, who can you trust? And 0:26:58.053 --> 0:27:01.693 so I think people have to, you know, general public, 0:27:01.773 --> 0:27:07.253 but particularly doctors and scientists have to be scrupulous in 0:27:07.813 --> 0:27:12.773 reviewing papers and understanding that there may be significant amount 0:27:12.773 --> 0:27:14.973 of rule that has been perpetuated. 0:27:15.533 --> 0:27:17.693 The reason I asked you that is because less than 0:27:17.773 --> 0:27:21.853 an hour ago I got an email that Scientific American 0:27:21.973 --> 0:27:27.653 has endorsed Kamala Harris. Now, the reason for that, or 0:27:27.653 --> 0:27:32.333 the reasons for that, are fairly obvious. It appears to 0:27:32.373 --> 0:27:37.173 me that Scientific American has deserted its platform and is 0:27:37.253 --> 0:27:41.613 now engaged in a shall we say, a campaign, a war, 0:27:41.733 --> 0:27:46.733 call it whatever you like, along with other experts, and 0:27:46.973 --> 0:27:50.613 it doesn't fit, it doesn't fit the role any longer 0:27:51.253 --> 0:27:55.973 of one to be trusted. The editorial drew sharp contrast 0:27:56.053 --> 0:28:00.773 between Harris and Donald Trump, who they described as one 0:28:01.133 --> 0:28:07.213 who quote endangers public health and safety and rejects evidence, 0:28:07.893 --> 0:28:11.813 prefer instead nonsensical conspiracy theories. Now, when I read that, 0:28:11.893 --> 0:28:16.333