1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,587 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalks ed B. 3 00:00:12,747 --> 00:00:15,827 Speaker 2: His name is Vernie s Waepole played twenty test for 4 00:00:16,027 --> 00:00:20,187 Speaker 2: the spring Box from ninety seven through two thousand, including 5 00:00:20,427 --> 00:00:24,747 Speaker 2: three tests against the All Blacks, winning on two of 6 00:00:24,747 --> 00:00:25,787 Speaker 2: those occasions. 7 00:00:26,107 --> 00:00:27,747 Speaker 3: Where's extra space? Not quicker? 8 00:00:28,147 --> 00:00:30,547 Speaker 4: Who quicker side of the team? Part of hills? 9 00:00:30,827 --> 00:00:33,067 Speaker 3: Where's the support play? He's not gonna make it. This 10 00:00:33,267 --> 00:00:41,587 Speaker 3: is Pulcer quick delivery again. Want to Chester Williams in possession? 11 00:00:42,387 --> 00:00:52,827 Speaker 3: Where they come? Let's a try Vermas Swaddepool has put 12 00:00:52,867 --> 00:00:54,067 Speaker 3: the finishing touches. 13 00:00:54,787 --> 00:00:58,587 Speaker 2: Your happy days for Werner who joins us now former 14 00:00:58,627 --> 00:01:01,267 Speaker 2: Springbok half back. You also we'll works as commentator for 15 00:01:01,387 --> 00:01:06,027 Speaker 2: Super Sport in South Africa. ERNA great chat, Welcome to 16 00:01:06,067 --> 00:01:06,347 Speaker 2: the show. 17 00:01:06,387 --> 00:01:06,587 Speaker 5: Show. 18 00:01:07,307 --> 00:01:11,427 Speaker 2: It's say former Springbok halfback, former spring But do you 19 00:01:11,627 --> 00:01:16,547 Speaker 2: hate being described as as former? I mean you're a Springbok, right, 20 00:01:16,667 --> 00:01:20,027 Speaker 2: it's you're more than just a former Springbok. Tell me 21 00:01:20,067 --> 00:01:21,187 Speaker 2: you're more than just former. 22 00:01:21,227 --> 00:01:21,547 Speaker 4: Please? 23 00:01:23,267 --> 00:01:26,187 Speaker 5: Well, it's it's always as we as we get older 24 00:01:26,227 --> 00:01:27,907 Speaker 5: than the grace starting to get out. 25 00:01:27,987 --> 00:01:30,227 Speaker 4: You know you're getting used to former. 26 00:01:30,467 --> 00:01:34,387 Speaker 5: I think when you retire that that that next five 27 00:01:34,507 --> 00:01:37,267 Speaker 5: years you think you can still run around the guys 28 00:01:37,267 --> 00:01:39,667 Speaker 5: and make some titles. But as you get older where 29 00:01:39,707 --> 00:01:42,907 Speaker 5: I am now, former sounds better than current. If you 30 00:01:43,107 --> 00:01:46,267 Speaker 5: ever look at other guys are bassing each other these days. 31 00:01:46,187 --> 00:01:50,027 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty vident exchanges these days probably best reserved for 32 00:01:50,147 --> 00:01:53,667 Speaker 2: the youth of rugby as opposed to the people slightly 33 00:01:54,267 --> 00:01:56,787 Speaker 2: longer in the tooth. But hey, last week talking about 34 00:01:56,827 --> 00:01:59,987 Speaker 2: exchange is quite something else. And you think about the 35 00:02:00,027 --> 00:02:02,667 Speaker 2: start of the All Black scott and the way that 36 00:02:02,827 --> 00:02:06,667 Speaker 2: the South Africans returned into the fray again, that was 37 00:02:06,787 --> 00:02:07,707 Speaker 2: some comeback. 38 00:02:07,787 --> 00:02:11,107 Speaker 5: Werner. Yeah, it was great, and I think I think 39 00:02:11,107 --> 00:02:14,507 Speaker 5: that the first ten or fifteen minutes, I think New 40 00:02:14,587 --> 00:02:18,307 Speaker 5: Zealand had about two or three scoring opportunities. And you know, 41 00:02:18,387 --> 00:02:22,267 Speaker 5: in test matches like the spring Box against the All Blacks, 42 00:02:22,267 --> 00:02:23,987 Speaker 5: you don't get a lot of chances and you have 43 00:02:24,067 --> 00:02:26,427 Speaker 5: to use it. But I just think the defense of 44 00:02:26,547 --> 00:02:29,947 Speaker 5: the box were outstanding in that first first ten to 45 00:02:29,947 --> 00:02:33,027 Speaker 5: fifteen minutes to keep the guys off the line. That 46 00:02:33,187 --> 00:02:35,627 Speaker 5: gave them the necessary confidence. And look, this is the 47 00:02:35,707 --> 00:02:40,147 Speaker 5: experienced Springbox side led by Russia Rasmus. They're not going 48 00:02:40,227 --> 00:02:42,907 Speaker 5: to throw in the towel too quickly. But yeah, why 49 00:02:42,947 --> 00:02:46,267 Speaker 5: had come back that last fifteen minutes New Zealand, as 50 00:02:46,267 --> 00:02:48,387 Speaker 5: we spoke about a little bit earlier, you know, not 51 00:02:48,467 --> 00:02:51,467 Speaker 5: typically New Zealand rugby and trying to attack. It's almost 52 00:02:51,467 --> 00:02:54,187 Speaker 5: like they went into their shell and try to defend 53 00:02:54,187 --> 00:02:56,787 Speaker 5: their lead. And I think we see a different side 54 00:02:56,787 --> 00:02:59,707 Speaker 5: of the spring box with Tony Brown joining them. For 55 00:02:59,747 --> 00:03:02,707 Speaker 5: a lot of South Africans did sometimes why did you 56 00:03:02,747 --> 00:03:05,067 Speaker 5: do that? Or why did you try and attack the space? 57 00:03:05,107 --> 00:03:07,507 Speaker 5: But I think from a from a South African point 58 00:03:07,507 --> 00:03:10,587 Speaker 5: of view, you know, it gets up us excited because 59 00:03:10,627 --> 00:03:13,227 Speaker 5: suddenly it's not just the forwards and the kicking game, 60 00:03:13,307 --> 00:03:16,547 Speaker 5: and suddenly, you know, we bring some some more New 61 00:03:16,627 --> 00:03:19,547 Speaker 5: Zealand flee fled to a South African backline, and I 62 00:03:19,587 --> 00:03:24,147 Speaker 5: think that's quite quite exciting for us heading into into 63 00:03:24,187 --> 00:03:25,027 Speaker 5: the next World Cup. 64 00:03:25,267 --> 00:03:28,787 Speaker 2: So how's that been taken by the South African public? 65 00:03:28,787 --> 00:03:31,947 Speaker 2: I expect that over here if South African was to 66 00:03:31,987 --> 00:03:34,707 Speaker 2: turn up as a key part of the coaching group, 67 00:03:35,027 --> 00:03:39,147 Speaker 2: I'm not sure if it be that well accepted. Has 68 00:03:39,187 --> 00:03:41,187 Speaker 2: it been accepted in the Republic Tony Brown? 69 00:03:41,707 --> 00:03:45,187 Speaker 5: Look, I think Tony everyone back back then, as you 70 00:03:45,227 --> 00:03:48,147 Speaker 5: said former players. I mean, the superinten and the Super 71 00:03:48,227 --> 00:03:52,067 Speaker 5: twelve were probably the best competition in the world, you know, 72 00:03:52,147 --> 00:03:55,427 Speaker 5: and the South Africans got used to the Australians and 73 00:03:55,467 --> 00:04:02,187 Speaker 5: the Tonys and the what I forgot andrew mertenses and 74 00:04:02,187 --> 00:04:05,187 Speaker 5: stuff of the world. So so it's almost like, you know, 75 00:04:05,267 --> 00:04:07,827 Speaker 5: the guys and we we had a couple of Irish 76 00:04:07,827 --> 00:04:10,667 Speaker 5: guys in the previous squad with Jock Ninov. 77 00:04:11,427 --> 00:04:12,307 Speaker 4: So I don't know. 78 00:04:12,467 --> 00:04:15,307 Speaker 5: I think one day when there's a foreign coach coaching 79 00:04:15,627 --> 00:04:18,027 Speaker 5: the spring Box. But I think South Africa has got 80 00:04:18,027 --> 00:04:21,947 Speaker 5: such a lot of faith in Rassi that he can basically, 81 00:04:22,267 --> 00:04:24,307 Speaker 5: you know, get the moltmen off the street and tell 82 00:04:24,387 --> 00:04:26,947 Speaker 5: him to do defense and they will wonder what is 83 00:04:26,987 --> 00:04:28,467 Speaker 5: he doing? You know, is he going to spray some 84 00:04:28,587 --> 00:04:31,547 Speaker 5: milk in the guy's eyes. So no, there wasn't any 85 00:04:31,547 --> 00:04:35,867 Speaker 5: issues with Tony coming in and obviously typically South African also, 86 00:04:36,347 --> 00:04:39,227 Speaker 5: you know, your your weekend's made or break by by 87 00:04:39,267 --> 00:04:42,427 Speaker 5: the South African. So now suddenly when the islanda wants 88 00:04:42,467 --> 00:04:45,987 Speaker 5: to wants to attack some space and he starts up again, 89 00:04:46,027 --> 00:04:47,787 Speaker 5: he said, why didn't you kick? And then when he 90 00:04:47,867 --> 00:04:49,987 Speaker 5: went through. It's like, hey, we can see the New 91 00:04:50,067 --> 00:04:53,667 Speaker 5: Zealand fleet Tony. Tony's sitting in the stands. So I 92 00:04:53,707 --> 00:04:56,227 Speaker 5: think it's a bit new for us, not necessarily on 93 00:04:56,267 --> 00:04:57,187 Speaker 5: the coaching side. 94 00:04:57,187 --> 00:04:59,307 Speaker 4: I think Russi, Russi. 95 00:04:59,067 --> 00:05:01,387 Speaker 5: Knows what he's doing and he's got out of a 96 00:05:01,387 --> 00:05:04,467 Speaker 5: lot of respect from the South African public. As I mentioned, 97 00:05:04,507 --> 00:05:07,347 Speaker 5: you know, if Russi says there three involvements and a 98 00:05:07,787 --> 00:05:10,267 Speaker 5: security guard that's going to coach, you know, you probably 99 00:05:10,507 --> 00:05:14,107 Speaker 5: will be good for defense because you have to have 100 00:05:14,347 --> 00:05:16,707 Speaker 5: security when you play against. 101 00:05:16,347 --> 00:05:16,947 Speaker 4: The All Blacks. 102 00:05:17,107 --> 00:05:19,107 Speaker 2: Next thing, you know, he'll be bringing up a fifty 103 00:05:19,187 --> 00:05:22,867 Speaker 2: something former scrummer saying the offense here rolling in Werner. 104 00:05:24,467 --> 00:05:25,547 Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, like I. 105 00:05:25,867 --> 00:05:28,627 Speaker 5: Think at one stage when he just going back from 106 00:05:29,307 --> 00:05:31,547 Speaker 5: from from Ireland, we had a chat and he said, 107 00:05:31,587 --> 00:05:33,667 Speaker 5: you know, yes, he doesn't really have a nine and 108 00:05:33,707 --> 00:05:35,947 Speaker 5: I said, listen, I can maybe play some and still 109 00:05:36,027 --> 00:05:38,667 Speaker 5: twenty minutes and he said Smiley stopped talking nonsense and 110 00:05:38,707 --> 00:05:43,587 Speaker 5: then obviously Puff came through. Ryana is dead. And I 111 00:05:43,627 --> 00:05:45,507 Speaker 5: think we've got a lot of lot of depth in 112 00:05:45,587 --> 00:05:50,027 Speaker 5: the scrumb off position. Brand Williams I've quite riting quite 113 00:05:50,107 --> 00:05:53,147 Speaker 5: highly and then there's a crappy fron of Burke. There's 114 00:05:53,187 --> 00:05:57,187 Speaker 5: also on the sidelines. Hendricks is getting a chance after 115 00:05:57,427 --> 00:06:00,507 Speaker 5: a long injury getting back into the thick of things. 116 00:06:00,547 --> 00:06:04,467 Speaker 5: He's on the bench this weekend, so unfortunately there's too 117 00:06:04,467 --> 00:06:06,427 Speaker 5: many depths for me to even start. 118 00:06:06,187 --> 00:06:07,147 Speaker 4: For one minute. 119 00:06:08,387 --> 00:06:11,427 Speaker 2: Interesting changes of ven I wanna paul around the selection 120 00:06:11,507 --> 00:06:15,427 Speaker 2: from Russi Erasmus. Seven changes in the side. I don't 121 00:06:15,427 --> 00:06:18,827 Speaker 2: think a lot of people expected this twist with the 122 00:06:18,947 --> 00:06:22,107 Speaker 2: naming of the side, especially the bench in the formation 123 00:06:22,267 --> 00:06:25,627 Speaker 2: there can you give us some theorizing behind exactly what 124 00:06:25,747 --> 00:06:28,707 Speaker 2: Rassi Erasmus is trying to achieve with that team. 125 00:06:28,827 --> 00:06:31,787 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's difficult to say. Obviously not in the squad. 126 00:06:31,867 --> 00:06:35,387 Speaker 5: Maybe maybe you would you want Sir johnco went to 127 00:06:35,467 --> 00:06:38,307 Speaker 5: watch the game because there's no bottom squad or something. 128 00:06:38,387 --> 00:06:38,827 Speaker 4: I don't know. 129 00:06:39,187 --> 00:06:42,387 Speaker 5: They maybe they had a chance now I think I 130 00:06:42,387 --> 00:06:44,707 Speaker 5: think the main thing is Moody coming back in. I 131 00:06:44,707 --> 00:06:47,707 Speaker 5: mean he's a class player. You can play at thirteen 132 00:06:47,827 --> 00:06:50,747 Speaker 5: as well, and we all know Russi. You know Test rugby, 133 00:06:50,747 --> 00:06:53,427 Speaker 5: you want to win, especially he's not gonna go to 134 00:06:53,467 --> 00:06:55,987 Speaker 5: pick a side that he doesn't believe can can win 135 00:06:56,027 --> 00:06:58,507 Speaker 5: the All Blacks. But I think it just shows that 136 00:06:58,627 --> 00:07:00,907 Speaker 5: death in South African rugby at the moment. You know, 137 00:07:00,947 --> 00:07:03,827 Speaker 5: at one stage a couple of years ago, info one 138 00:07:03,947 --> 00:07:06,947 Speaker 5: lock or one flyoff or one sent of got injured. 139 00:07:07,187 --> 00:07:09,667 Speaker 5: You know, there were a weak spot. And with Pollard 140 00:07:09,707 --> 00:07:12,507 Speaker 5: being on the bench, Sasha, you must, you must please 141 00:07:12,547 --> 00:07:14,387 Speaker 5: tell me what you guys over there think of him. 142 00:07:14,387 --> 00:07:17,947 Speaker 5: But I think outstanding talent for the future. But then 143 00:07:17,987 --> 00:07:21,547 Speaker 5: you replace him after a good game with Andrei Pollard, 144 00:07:21,627 --> 00:07:24,627 Speaker 5: you know, and I think for Russi, you know, he's 145 00:07:24,667 --> 00:07:28,827 Speaker 5: not short sighted. Everyone wants to play. We all know. 146 00:07:28,987 --> 00:07:31,667 Speaker 5: You want to get that continuity, you know, you when 147 00:07:32,067 --> 00:07:32,987 Speaker 5: when you when you want it. 148 00:07:33,267 --> 00:07:34,427 Speaker 4: It's part of the DNA. 149 00:07:34,787 --> 00:07:37,547 Speaker 5: But I think with the squad that he has, they're 150 00:07:37,627 --> 00:07:40,627 Speaker 5: so so little to pick for instance, you know, between 151 00:07:40,627 --> 00:07:42,107 Speaker 5: a Pollard and a Sasha. 152 00:07:42,707 --> 00:07:44,027 Speaker 4: So there's guys slotting in. 153 00:07:44,107 --> 00:07:47,027 Speaker 5: They've been there, they've been there for a year, two 154 00:07:47,147 --> 00:07:49,667 Speaker 5: or three part a new guy, yeah and there, So 155 00:07:49,747 --> 00:07:51,587 Speaker 5: they're part of the system, you know, So it's not 156 00:07:51,667 --> 00:07:55,467 Speaker 5: that someone News slotting in probably a different game plan. 157 00:07:55,707 --> 00:07:57,987 Speaker 4: And injuries and all those sort of things. 158 00:07:58,027 --> 00:08:00,747 Speaker 5: It's a bit starting again after he started off the 159 00:08:00,787 --> 00:08:04,707 Speaker 5: bench giving his body arrested. But so it's difficult to 160 00:08:04,827 --> 00:08:09,587 Speaker 5: say why that we expect wholesoul changes, you know what 161 00:08:09,667 --> 00:08:12,387 Speaker 5: with Russy you never know what you can expect. Maybe 162 00:08:12,427 --> 00:08:15,307 Speaker 5: Gorby in the line outs again. But I think there's 163 00:08:15,347 --> 00:08:18,267 Speaker 5: a yes, he's got he's got a good squad. And 164 00:08:18,587 --> 00:08:20,867 Speaker 5: if you've got the players, give them a chance and 165 00:08:21,187 --> 00:08:23,867 Speaker 5: see what they can do. I mean, I think everything 166 00:08:23,987 --> 00:08:26,827 Speaker 5: is you want to win every Test match, but obviously 167 00:08:26,867 --> 00:08:30,787 Speaker 5: we every coach I think is working towards the next 168 00:08:30,787 --> 00:08:31,267 Speaker 5: Walk Cup. 169 00:08:31,707 --> 00:08:34,387 Speaker 2: Well you've got to keep the opposition guessing, I suppose, 170 00:08:34,507 --> 00:08:37,187 Speaker 2: don't you. And that's exactly what he's doing. What about 171 00:08:37,267 --> 00:08:40,467 Speaker 2: from an all Black perspective, huge amount of pressure now 172 00:08:40,467 --> 00:08:42,427 Speaker 2: on the shoulders of not only the team but coach 173 00:08:42,507 --> 00:08:46,307 Speaker 2: Scott Robertson looking down the barrel of a potential third 174 00:08:46,667 --> 00:08:52,187 Speaker 2: loss under his tutelage. This is going to be interesting. 175 00:08:52,227 --> 00:08:54,987 Speaker 2: And I'm doing this on zoom. If you can see 176 00:08:55,027 --> 00:08:58,867 Speaker 2: the look on Werner's face right now, you'd smile as well. Mate, 177 00:08:58,907 --> 00:09:01,027 Speaker 2: You're enjoying this, aren't you? The pressure? 178 00:09:03,027 --> 00:09:03,067 Speaker 4: No? 179 00:09:03,307 --> 00:09:05,387 Speaker 5: Look, you can you can ever write, you can ever 180 00:09:05,467 --> 00:09:08,267 Speaker 5: write of any all black all black team. 181 00:09:08,427 --> 00:09:10,707 Speaker 4: I feel I feel for for Scotty. 182 00:09:10,787 --> 00:09:14,107 Speaker 5: I saw him there at the World Cup in Paris 183 00:09:14,507 --> 00:09:17,147 Speaker 5: and ask him, you know, what's what's it like and 184 00:09:17,147 --> 00:09:18,907 Speaker 5: are you looking forward to it? And he said to me, 185 00:09:19,227 --> 00:09:21,227 Speaker 5: my time looking forward to it. But can't you do 186 00:09:21,347 --> 00:09:23,907 Speaker 5: me a favor and get your big mate grassy Rassmus 187 00:09:23,907 --> 00:09:26,387 Speaker 5: in jail for the next ten years, you know, with 188 00:09:26,587 --> 00:09:29,827 Speaker 5: all his plans so now, but I mean Scotty, Scotty 189 00:09:29,947 --> 00:09:32,867 Speaker 5: it very very well in at Crusaders, and it is 190 00:09:32,907 --> 00:09:35,667 Speaker 5: a step up. But I think he's got the experience 191 00:09:35,707 --> 00:09:38,107 Speaker 5: and the backing of the players, and you can never 192 00:09:38,147 --> 00:09:40,827 Speaker 5: write off an all black side. But I think it's 193 00:09:40,867 --> 00:09:42,827 Speaker 5: going to sit in the back of the head. But 194 00:09:43,187 --> 00:09:45,987 Speaker 5: there is a bit of pressure on Scotty. There is 195 00:09:45,987 --> 00:09:47,867 Speaker 5: a bit of pressure on the players because I think 196 00:09:47,987 --> 00:09:52,067 Speaker 5: everyone that watched the game they basically led it slip. 197 00:09:52,147 --> 00:09:53,387 Speaker 4: They basically lost. 198 00:09:53,107 --> 00:09:56,507 Speaker 5: The game, you know, And so I think I think 199 00:09:56,547 --> 00:09:58,347 Speaker 5: they will they will tweet yea and there. 200 00:09:58,467 --> 00:10:00,307 Speaker 4: But and I think it makes it difficult. 201 00:10:00,427 --> 00:10:02,827 Speaker 5: As we mentioned, with the box playing sort of a 202 00:10:02,827 --> 00:10:05,267 Speaker 5: different style, you can't just focus on the forwards and 203 00:10:05,307 --> 00:10:07,307 Speaker 5: say if we if we can beat them? 204 00:10:07,347 --> 00:10:08,827 Speaker 4: There were okay at the back. 205 00:10:08,867 --> 00:10:10,667 Speaker 5: I think the Springboks are a bit more round that 206 00:10:10,827 --> 00:10:13,307 Speaker 5: side than in the past seven seven years or so. 207 00:10:13,987 --> 00:10:15,547 Speaker 4: But from all that. 208 00:10:15,667 --> 00:10:18,947 Speaker 5: Point of view view, we know, you know, when Surveyor 209 00:10:19,027 --> 00:10:22,187 Speaker 5: and the boys start running and they get their towels up, 210 00:10:22,187 --> 00:10:25,427 Speaker 5: they're always going to be a big sight, a difficult 211 00:10:25,467 --> 00:10:28,347 Speaker 5: site to beat. But yeah, I'm just looking forward to it. 212 00:10:28,387 --> 00:10:32,587 Speaker 5: I mean, that's Alice Park last last weekend. I think 213 00:10:32,627 --> 00:10:35,627 Speaker 5: I heard those tackles through the TV setting there in 214 00:10:35,707 --> 00:10:38,827 Speaker 5: my boss. So the guys aren't going to hold anything back. 215 00:10:38,867 --> 00:10:40,547 Speaker 5: And I also think it's going to be a close 216 00:10:40,627 --> 00:10:44,667 Speaker 5: game and need too ever creates and use their chances 217 00:10:44,707 --> 00:10:47,467 Speaker 5: a bit better. I thought that first fifteen minutes of 218 00:10:47,507 --> 00:10:50,467 Speaker 5: their test. You know, if New Zealand just just did 219 00:10:50,507 --> 00:10:52,947 Speaker 5: the right options at the right time, they could have 220 00:10:53,027 --> 00:10:57,827 Speaker 5: been fourteen eighteen noll ahead, you know. But fair playing 221 00:10:57,867 --> 00:10:59,787 Speaker 5: to the box. They put their body on the lines 222 00:10:59,827 --> 00:11:04,227 Speaker 5: and they smashed the guys back like we like to see. 223 00:11:04,307 --> 00:11:06,587 Speaker 5: And yeah, yeah in South Africa. But it's going to 224 00:11:06,667 --> 00:11:10,147 Speaker 5: be a great test. The weather was bad in Inkytown 225 00:11:10,267 --> 00:11:13,067 Speaker 5: the last last couple of months, but our year, the 226 00:11:13,147 --> 00:11:16,147 Speaker 5: sun is coming out of it, so hopefully the weather 227 00:11:16,187 --> 00:11:19,307 Speaker 5: will hold and we can see some attractive rugby again 228 00:11:19,307 --> 00:11:23,267 Speaker 5: from both sides. Obviously, I believe in the back of 229 00:11:23,307 --> 00:11:26,547 Speaker 5: their minds that the All Blacks are ah bit wounded 230 00:11:26,747 --> 00:11:30,027 Speaker 5: and that can That's always always difficult, but I think 231 00:11:30,027 --> 00:11:32,067 Speaker 5: that can count in South Africa's favor. 232 00:11:32,707 --> 00:11:34,547 Speaker 2: Well, Big Nei's off the week VENs one of Paul, 233 00:11:34,547 --> 00:11:37,387 Speaker 2: of course is the return, the possible return, the probable 234 00:11:37,547 --> 00:11:41,307 Speaker 2: return of tours between the Spring Box and the All 235 00:11:41,347 --> 00:11:45,667 Speaker 2: Blacks in South Africa and New Zealand. This is huge news. 236 00:11:45,867 --> 00:11:48,627 Speaker 2: I expect you're super excited in this space. 237 00:11:49,387 --> 00:11:53,507 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, definitely. I think I think we guys, the. 238 00:11:53,587 --> 00:11:57,787 Speaker 5: South Africans missed to see the Hurricanes and the Blues 239 00:11:57,867 --> 00:12:02,107 Speaker 5: and the everything. And obviously, you know, everyone always asks, 240 00:12:02,147 --> 00:12:03,747 Speaker 5: you know, if you want to play test rugby for 241 00:12:03,867 --> 00:12:05,587 Speaker 5: the Box, who do want to play against? And I 242 00:12:05,627 --> 00:12:08,387 Speaker 5: think one hundred percent, if it's not one hundred and 243 00:12:08,427 --> 00:12:11,507 Speaker 5: one percent of every young child, we'll also he wants 244 00:12:11,507 --> 00:12:13,467 Speaker 5: to play with play for the Box and play against 245 00:12:13,507 --> 00:12:15,787 Speaker 5: the All Blacks, you know. So it's just a great 246 00:12:15,907 --> 00:12:19,307 Speaker 5: rivalry and and I hope the powers to be can 247 00:12:19,427 --> 00:12:21,387 Speaker 5: you know, sort things out there on top and that 248 00:12:21,547 --> 00:12:25,467 Speaker 5: we can see more of New Zealand versus South Africa 249 00:12:25,507 --> 00:12:28,227 Speaker 5: and various various competitions of the game. 250 00:12:29,147 --> 00:12:33,587 Speaker 2: And what about the Rugby Championship. I'm presuming it stays 251 00:12:33,627 --> 00:12:35,947 Speaker 2: the same or is it for a bit of a wobble? 252 00:12:36,427 --> 00:12:38,467 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely. It's difficult to say. 253 00:12:38,547 --> 00:12:41,987 Speaker 5: I mean these days there's so many competitions, you know, 254 00:12:42,067 --> 00:12:45,867 Speaker 5: with US now joining Europe. I'm a commentations on Super 255 00:12:45,907 --> 00:12:48,667 Speaker 5: Sport on Africa on side, and it takes me, it 256 00:12:48,707 --> 00:12:50,707 Speaker 5: takes me longer to figure out if it's the u 257 00:12:50,787 --> 00:12:54,067 Speaker 5: RC the u are either ebe or the White competition 258 00:12:54,147 --> 00:12:57,747 Speaker 5: they're playing in. So so yeah, I'm not sure what 259 00:12:58,107 --> 00:13:00,907 Speaker 5: is going to happen, but like I said, it would 260 00:13:00,947 --> 00:13:03,747 Speaker 5: it would always be nice to to see South Africa 261 00:13:03,787 --> 00:13:05,587 Speaker 5: against the Aussies and the Kiwis. 262 00:13:06,587 --> 00:13:08,747 Speaker 2: And on that note, Vernon, will let you get back 263 00:13:08,787 --> 00:13:11,547 Speaker 2: on with your business. Has been really great talking to you. 264 00:13:11,627 --> 00:13:14,227 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time and as we're doing 265 00:13:14,227 --> 00:13:17,787 Speaker 2: this on video call, I can confirm that your nickname 266 00:13:17,907 --> 00:13:21,547 Speaker 2: Smiley is well worth it. It is accurate to a 267 00:13:21,667 --> 00:13:24,347 Speaker 2: t You keep grinning, my friend, and thanks very much 268 00:13:24,387 --> 00:13:26,267 Speaker 2: for joining us here on News Talks EB. 269 00:13:27,267 --> 00:13:30,027 Speaker 4: Thanks NARSI nice chatting to you. Guys and good luck. 270 00:13:30,947 --> 00:13:33,267 Speaker 2: I'll say that again in Afrikaans for as. 271 00:13:33,107 --> 00:13:38,827 Speaker 5: Will you well, guiller by ach luck in first food 272 00:13:39,307 --> 00:13:42,067 Speaker 5: and if you say it and if you say I don't, 273 00:13:42,147 --> 00:13:45,907 Speaker 5: I don't think you're gonna win at Dandy Yellow Convey. 274 00:13:46,987 --> 00:13:50,667 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, no, I won't commit that to memory, but 275 00:13:51,467 --> 00:13:54,907 Speaker 2: we've heard it now At twenty five past one, thank 276 00:13:54,907 --> 00:13:57,787 Speaker 2: you so much for joining us here on News Talks 277 00:13:57,787 --> 00:13:59,427 Speaker 2: EB you enjoy the test match. 278 00:13:59,907 --> 00:14:03,107 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. 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