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Speaker 1: I got some public transport ink too inks this morning.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Thanksgiving in America. We'll go to Richard

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Speaker 1: Dalald shortly. So Public Transport Incs MZTA have asked councils

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Speaker 1: to up the share they pay for public transport indication

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Speaker 1: for example, the bus ticket and the capital could go

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Speaker 1: from ten bucks a day to seventeen. So an urgent

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Speaker 1: meeting is required. Transport Mian is to Simon Browns with

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Speaker 1: this morning to.

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Speaker 2: You, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Is this under your instruction that MZTA are doing what

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Speaker 1: they're doing well.

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Speaker 2: The problem that we have asked them to solve is

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Speaker 2: the fact that over the last six years, the amount

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Speaker 2: that you used to pay for public transport or through

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Speaker 2: has gone down from forty percent down to ten percent. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's started to increase again. However, what we're saying to

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Speaker 2: public transport authorities is that we need to increase the

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Speaker 2: amount that we're achieving through private share, which includes fears

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Speaker 2: and also third party revenues, and we're asking them to

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Speaker 2: have clear targets around how they're going to achieve that. So, yes,

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Speaker 2: we've set clear t we set targets and we are

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Speaker 2: sitting targets. But there's a conversation that's underway around what

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Speaker 2: those targets will be, and that's what HISATA is leading

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Speaker 2: out up.

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Speaker 1: So this is a little bit trump Esko on the tariff.

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Speaker 1: So we'll open up with a little something, they'll come back,

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Speaker 1: we'll meet in the middle, and that's how that works.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they've I mean, i'd put it this way.

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Speaker 2: It's a very lazy approach to just say we have

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Speaker 2: to increase fears as the only measure. There's a range

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Speaker 2: of tools that councils have, for instance, increased advertising, increased sponsorship,

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Speaker 2: corporate fear schemes, renting out space at train stations. There's

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Speaker 2: lots of different things. And at the moment of the

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Speaker 2: one point four billion dollars a year at costs to

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Speaker 2: run out public transport system in New Zealand, less than

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Speaker 2: one percent is coming from third party revenue. So there

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Speaker 2: is a huge opportunity to look at all of those

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Speaker 2: other opportunities to find third party revenue. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: that keeps pressure down on fears, it keeps pressure down

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Speaker 2: on rates, and it keeps pressure down on taxpayers who

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Speaker 2: have to heavily subsidize our public trip.

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Speaker 1: It's a third party Is that just them being slack,

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Speaker 1: or is it them saying I've tried it, but it's

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Speaker 1: a tight market, there is no money, or they going

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, that's a good idea.

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Speaker 3: I hadn't even thought about it.

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Speaker 2: Well, to be honest, I don't think they've tried, and

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Speaker 2: I think it's a very lazy approach to just say, well,

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Speaker 2: the only thing we've got year is we have to

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Speaker 2: increase fear is actually there's a range of tools at

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Speaker 2: the disposal of public transport authorities. You go around and

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Speaker 2: you look at the number of buses going down the

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Speaker 2: road with no advertising on them, right across the country,

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Speaker 2: and you actually have to ask the question, have they

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Speaker 2: looked at all those legers Are they utilizing them? Because

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Speaker 2: the more money that's raised from where's egon keeps pressure

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Speaker 2: down on rates and keeps pressure down on taxes. So

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Speaker 2: that's what that's the conversation we're having with public transport authorities,

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Speaker 2: and we're asking them to think more commercially. The other

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Speaker 2: thing that they need to be looking at is one

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Speaker 2: is a really good operation, an efficient service which is

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Speaker 2: attractive to customers because the more people that actually use

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Speaker 2: the service are the more revenue they're able to make.

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Speaker 3: Okay, very good. But I've got you. This is out

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Speaker 3: of left field. Just bear with me. I've got you

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Speaker 3: in your early thirty So am all right correct? Okay?

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Speaker 3: Could you do fifty to sixty star jumps?

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Speaker 2: Probably not? I could try. Would you let me to

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Speaker 2: try for you right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I would.

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Speaker 1: What I'm going to do if you can, we'll go

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Speaker 1: to a break and you do as many as you can,

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Speaker 1: and when I come back from the break, we'll see

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Speaker 1: what you got to. Okay, okay, okay, okay, put your

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Speaker 1: phone down and go to it. Simming and Brown Transport minister.

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Speaker 1: This is why we are number one.

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