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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the global

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Speaker 1: leader and Luxury real Estate.

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Speaker 2: I'm the huddle with me this evening. We have David

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Speaker 2: Farraki we blogging, Curiapolster and Jack tam who's the host

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Speaker 2: of Q and at Saturday mornings on z BE High Lads,

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Speaker 2: Hello Loder, David. Tell me what the BSA has done.

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Speaker 3: Well, we only know because the platform has actually released it.

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Speaker 3: But they made a secret and principal decision that they

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Speaker 3: not only can censor and regulate traditional broadcasters, but people

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Speaker 3: who broadcast over the Internet. And least be very clear,

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Speaker 3: if you read their decision, it means anyone who sends

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Speaker 3: audio or video over the Internet that's received by p one,

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Speaker 3: those are a mess of power grab done in secret.

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Speaker 3: And it's not the way he irritates. Is there an

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Speaker 3: issue around who regulates and content? Yeah, government's had twenty

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Speaker 3: reviews on this. You know, the way you normally do

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Speaker 3: is mchlver policy discussion, green paper white, but you change

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Speaker 3: the law. But here the BA has just in secret

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Speaker 3: said no, we've decided we can now regulate you. So

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Speaker 3: I think this is going to back.

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Speaker 2: Let me just ask you how this isn't there a

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Speaker 2: Broadcasting Standards Authority law that tells them what like where

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Speaker 2: their remit starts and ends.

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Speaker 3: It does, and it talks about where you send a

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Speaker 3: program over the radio waves or similar telecommunication device, and

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Speaker 3: that can be picked up by a device designed from

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Speaker 3: what they've basically said is, well, we think the Internet

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Speaker 3: is a telecommunications device and anyone with a mobile phone

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Speaker 3: is there, and it's clearly not the case when the

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Speaker 3: Broadcasting It was written, they clearly did not have the Internet. Mind.

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Speaker 3: We know this too because the government has had numerous

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Speaker 3: reviews talking about how the Internet isn't covered by the

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Speaker 3: Broadcasting Act. But now the BSA and secret have this

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Speaker 3: so oh, actually no, we think it is.

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Speaker 2: I love the BSA every day. I just love them more.

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Speaker 2: Hey Jack, on the subject of broadcasting and stuff, How

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Speaker 2: good are the new rules? You guys are able to

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Speaker 2: start playing ads during your program on a Sunday morning.

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Speaker 4: Ah, it's going to single handily turn around the TV business,

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Speaker 3: Do you know what though? It is?

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Speaker 4: It's kind of funny for me because so we will

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Speaker 4: cas Q and A on Sunday Mornings live and at

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Speaker 4: the moment we have those like little ninety second long

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Speaker 4: station promos. But if you have four minute ads, it

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Speaker 4: actually means I get less time talking and less time interviewing,

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Speaker 4: which I'm not actually like as thrilled about as you

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Speaker 2: Nah, No, you don't need to do that. You can

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Speaker 2: just cut one of fenn Owen's packages.

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Speaker 3: No, I would never do that.

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Speaker 4: That'd be There'd be the absolute last thing I would cut.

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Speaker 2: Well, then you're going. But on the bright side, you've

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Speaker 2: got enough time now to pop out for a quickly

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Speaker 2: we you know, make a cup of tea, do stuff

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Speaker 2: like that which you haven't had a chance to do.

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Speaker 4: That's true, Yeah, yeah, I know A thousand small vile

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Speaker 4: and play with us Struggling TV presented on Sunday Morning.

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Speaker 2: In any case, you guys need the money.

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Speaker 4: We do need the money. I just don't know that

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Speaker 4: it's going to be enough to turn things around. I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure that nobody a huge no, I know, but

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Speaker 4: in the you know, with a huge shadow of Google

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Speaker 4: and Facebook looming over the New Zealand broadcasting sector, I

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Speaker 4: don't know that our Sunday Morning ads and Christmas is

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Speaker 4: going to turn things around that much.

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Speaker 3: Maybe no help.

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Speaker 2: It'll help, David. This is one of those things you

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Speaker 2: have to wander. I mean like once upon a time

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Speaker 2: it would have made sense, but you have to wonder.

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Speaker 2: Help in God's name, it last to till twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: I know, there's so many archaic laws. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: amazing it wasn't repealed early. It is Jack case. It

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Speaker 3: will make very little financial difference, but it just was.

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Speaker 3: There were a good reason to keep it, and the

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Speaker 3: answer is no. Hopefully, what sensible broadcasters will do is say,

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Speaker 3: we still want to have fifty minutes of Jack on

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Speaker 3: the air, so we'll make it a sixty five minute

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Speaker 2: Jack, how do you feel about that?

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Speaker 3: Again? And yeah, exactly, I mean give the people why

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Speaker 3: they weren't they David? You know?

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Speaker 2: Now, Jack, can I ask you a question. Is it

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Speaker 2: Because there are no ads? No, why does it broadcast

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Speaker 2: on a Sunday morning? I think to punish you.

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Speaker 4: No, I actually I actually preferred Sunday mornings because for

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Speaker 4: a couple of reasons. So I think when they originally

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Speaker 4: public policy programs on Sunday mornings. The reason I actually

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Speaker 4: like having it on Sunday mornings personally is that it

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Speaker 4: fits quite elegantly into the political week, and that if

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Speaker 4: you think about when cabinet meets, think about post cabin insence,

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Speaker 4: you think when policies are announced and things, it gives

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Speaker 4: us a kind of a bit of a bit of

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Speaker 4: space to consider what's happened in the week and try

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Speaker 4: and take a kind of bird's eye view. So I'm

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Speaker 4: quite happy with it. I mean, I haven't had a

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Speaker 4: rowdy Saturday night in about ten years. Anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you we hold before your time. All right, We'll

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Speaker 2: take a break, come back talk about politics in a minute.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your

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Speaker 2: Right back on the huddle with us, we have David Farah,

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Speaker 2: Jack Tame Jack. Now this Marti party business. How does

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Speaker 2: this end? Do you think they just break a past?

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Speaker 4: I certainly think it's extremely likely, given just how acrimonious

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Speaker 4: things have been over the last few days. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I mean, I can't imagine, given that email the other nights,

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Speaker 4: that there's going to be any sort of daytime when

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Speaker 4: it comes to some members of the party and the

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Speaker 4: Kupa King family. There could be wrong on that front,

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Speaker 4: but I can't see it turning around. And I mean

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Speaker 4: it just you know, it's pretty extraordinary really you consider

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Speaker 4: what's gone through the House this week. We've just had

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Speaker 4: the Maria and Coastal Areas Act brought forward in the

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Speaker 4: House for you know, what was essentially a legislation that

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Speaker 4: you know was the genesis of Triparty Mardi and instead

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Speaker 4: of focusing on offering meaningful opposition to that, instead you

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Speaker 4: have their MPs at six and seven's bickering away, you know.

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Speaker 4: And if anyone thought that would be going into next

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Speaker 4: year's election without having questions about whether or not to

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Speaker 4: party Mardy would be a reliable governing partner, I mean,

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Speaker 4: this is this is pretty extraordinary. I mean, I think

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Speaker 4: it is going to be the question for Chris Hopkins

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Speaker 4: in the in the immediate.

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Speaker 2: Future, David, do they break apart.

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Speaker 3: That they really have to lot The email they out

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Speaker 3: was designed to destroy their MP's reputation. So there's no

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Speaker 3: way you can see that she is going to be

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Speaker 2: What happens in the interim. I mean maybe not even

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Speaker 2: parkou de Feris. But what happens in the interim? Can

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Speaker 2: they hobble along for another years as a collective party

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Speaker 2: or do those two have to break apart.

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Speaker 3: I think that's quite possible that they'll break apart before

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Speaker 3: the election. Might not necessarily be be two to or

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Speaker 3: it could even be three to three, because it's not

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Speaker 3: just about the MPs, it's about what the electorates are

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Speaker 2: There's going to be the third David.

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Speaker 3: Well who's not a co leader or not a new.

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Speaker 2: MP Hannah Raft MP Clark.

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Speaker 3: Yes, so I would watch there very carefully.

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Speaker 2: I think you might.

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Speaker 4: It would be interesting though, because because they can of

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Speaker 4: course be waker jumps, right even if they're one electric seat,

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Speaker 4: there can be waker jump technically. But the question would

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Speaker 4: Marty would be game for a by election and someone

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Speaker 4: like to tie Tolkido, given I think there'd be no

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Speaker 4: guarantees as to the result of that, especially after after you.

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Speaker 2: Know the about by elections.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's it's unlikely, but it's not inconceivable.

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Speaker 2: Anything can happen.

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Speaker 4: Jack, But I mean this is the thing, right, you know,

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Speaker 4: electric MPs can be waker jump.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, now, David Listen I had a chat to

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Speaker 2: Barry about this earlier. There is a problem when you

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Speaker 2: start talking about things like is happening with Chris lux

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Speaker 2: about who's going to succeed and you've got polls saying

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Speaker 2: it's going to be Chris Bishops and stuff like that, that

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Speaker 2: it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. Is he in dangerous territory?

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Speaker 3: Yet he's not. But the fact someone did a poll

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Speaker 3: is the story. The actual result was most people don't

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Speaker 3: have a view. Basically, oh, sixteen percent ahead of twelve

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Speaker 3: or in this case the post that you know, there's

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Speaker 3: partly become itself selling prophecy. The really here is when

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Speaker 3: Jasindra Doing and John Key, we're prime ministers, know when

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Speaker 3: ran polls about who you want to succeed them, Because

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Speaker 3: it's ridiculous. I still don't think it changes in any way.

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Speaker 3: The basic logic, which is you're crazy to consider changing

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Speaker 3: has never worked at, but it's unhelpful. The great saving

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Speaker 3: great distraction for the government.

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Speaker 2: Sadly, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Jay?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, when it comes to speculation about a leader,

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Speaker 4: I'm kind of of the put up or shut up

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Speaker 4: sometimes it can honestly be a bit of.

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Speaker 3: A lazy media narrative like, oh, here we go watching

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Speaker 4: You know, a long way out from an election and

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Speaker 4: a prime ministers and as popular as it might be,

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Speaker 4: that being said, clearly there is a sense of, you know,

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Speaker 4: a wide sprints of dissatisfaction with the economy at the moment,

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Speaker 4: which I think is directly linked to National's popularity. In particular,

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Speaker 4: Christopher Luxon hasn't enjoyed the same levels of support that

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Speaker 4: that those governments were led by really big personalities. They

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Speaker 4: might have been polarizing, but they were big personalities. And

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Speaker 4: don't know that you'd put lucks in a net category.

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, okay, thanks guys, good to talk to you, Jack,

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Speaker 2: Dame Devia ferre Huddle this evening.

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