1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty exceptional marketing 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: for every property. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,559 Speaker 2: Huddle with me right now, Mike Munroe, former chief of 4 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: staff to just Into Adern and Phillo Riley of Iron 5 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 2: you Partner's former boss of business New Zealand. 6 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 3: Hell, are you two there? 7 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: You go very well? 8 00:00:15,800 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: Thank you now, Mike, I was surprised that Goalras got convicted, 9 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 2: were you. 10 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 4: No, I wasn't surprised. No, I wasn't surprised. I thought 11 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 4: that I thought in the end, the court and the 12 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 4: judge handled it very well. 13 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: Uh. 14 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 4: And I thought they struck you know, that they struck 15 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 4: it right in terms of the conviction and the fire 16 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 4: and in the penalty. Uh. He goes. Bear in mind 17 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 4: that he did be guilty, that she took responsibility immediately 18 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 4: for her actions. You know, it was quite it was 19 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 4: quite a significant theft of good women. So so I 20 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 4: think I don't think many people would have expected her 21 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 4: to escape, you know, a conviction on this occasion. 22 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: Do you feel about her blaming the pressure of the 23 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: job for what she did. 24 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 3: Lots of people blame the pressure of the job for 25 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: what they do, and they blame their upbringing and they 26 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: and sometimes those things are entirely appropriate to blame or 27 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 3: to pay attention to, and in her case, sounds like 28 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 3: she was facing some pretty ugly threats and some nasty 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: stuff that was going on. But at the end of 30 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 3: the day, her offending was was pretty significant over three occasions. 31 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 3: And you know, I think justice was done today. If 32 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 3: the judge had said, well, because of all these other things, 33 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: we're not going to discharge with that conviction, I think 34 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 3: the public would have said, how does the justice system work? Again? 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: A young mari woman, you know, versus goals? You know. 36 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: So I think the judge had to balance all of that, 37 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 3: and I think I think the touchment possession a fair 38 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 3: one of the circumstances, and I think most of much 39 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,520 Speaker 3: of the probable well fair enough. It looks like MPs 40 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: are treated like everyone else. I think they were sensible. 41 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, Mike. Actually, because the judges come under 42 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: a lot of criticism for you know, for good reason. 43 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 2: It's actually a pleasing surprise to see a judge hand 44 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: down a sentence that you actually want to see handed down, right. 45 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that fight and really what Phil said that, 46 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 4: you know, the public outcry would have been quite significant 47 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 4: if she means allowed to go free today. But I 48 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 4: think you do have to look look at her background 49 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 4: and her life and Dora was herself is seen in 50 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 4: the pass. You know, her life was shaped by one 51 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 4: of the most repressive regimes in the world. She arrived 52 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 4: here as a nine year old. If you achieved them around, 53 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 4: she was a child of silence, said basically, and she 54 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 4: sort of turned her life around and became an international 55 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 4: human rights lawyer and an MP. But but there's no 56 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 4: doubt there's a lot of stress in her life. And 57 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 4: she had a medical diagnosis showed that she had this 58 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 4: previously unrecognized trauma. And we've got a remember too that 59 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 4: she's living with a mucleporessi's diagnosis, which would have had 60 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 4: it like a speech in a few years ago. So 61 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 4: there's a lot going on in the life as Yeah. 62 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: The fair point on the MS actually come back to 63 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: you guys, and just to. 64 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: Take the huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty Exceptional 65 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: Marketing for every property. 66 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 2: Back to the huddle for Loo Raleigh and Mike Munroe. Phil, 67 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: why do you think that the trust in police is falling? 68 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting matter. I should say. Looking at the numbers, 69 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 3: it looks it's still pretty high. It's not as though 70 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: that people don't trust the police, but gee, it's dropping 71 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:27,079 Speaker 3: quite quickly, as we said. And I actually think that's 72 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: because the felt experience of people. In other words, I 73 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: see someone doing some bad stuff and they seem to 74 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: get away with it. It's usually at quite petty crime level. 75 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 3: It might be people, you know, running a red light 76 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 3: not caring about it. It might be someone kicking someone on 77 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: the street, so relatively low level stuff and then not 78 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 3: police react. And I think it's that sort of visible 79 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: street policing, neighborhood policing that people don't see. I think 80 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 3: that's that's what's getting and that's what's getting in the way. 81 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 3: I think that's what's contributing to lessening trust. So I 82 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 3: think the right strategy by the police is now being 83 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: carried out where they are focusing on some of those things, 84 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 3: more visible policing. 85 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: If you're like, yeah, totally agree, I mean it should. 86 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 2: It should be helped a lot, Mike. I imagine by having 87 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: the beat police and coming back, which was announced I 88 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 2: think this week or last week, but they're going to 89 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 2: need more cops really aren't they. 90 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, and we can't have a big policeman outside 91 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 4: every bottle spoil, every gully, every dairy, every jewelry stort 92 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 4: around the countryside. Look, I think the thing here is 93 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 4: that we get to the diet through our television screens 94 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 4: of depressing pictures about what's happening out there. We saw 95 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 4: that footage Devil Night of that poor guy got attacked 96 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 4: with a hanimals juries than I mean, these things really 97 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 4: distress people and they're coming at us all the time, 98 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 4: so you know, through his ram rags and violent robbery, 99 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 4: and I think the cops are sort of getting the 100 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 4: backlash of that. People are saying, well, look, why can 101 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 4: the cops do something about it? There's only so many 102 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 4: policemen and while putting some more back on the beat, 103 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 4: there's a good idea. We simply cannot put them everywhere 104 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 4: to stop the crimes that people are really concerned about. 105 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 2: No, that's fair, but more will always help one't they. Hey, 106 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: and listen, both of you are Wellingtonian. So Phil, are 107 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 2: you relieved at Wellington City Council passing the long term 108 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: plan or were you secretly wishing that actually you might 109 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,559 Speaker 2: get some commissioners. 110 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 3: Well, actually I was a bit betwixt in between about that. 111 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 4: I was thinking, maybe, you know, Commissioner. 112 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 3: But the Green councilor who you just had on before 113 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 3: we came on. It was an illustration of the problem. 114 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,720 Speaker 3: With the greatest respect. So he says that he follows 115 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 3: all the Green Party's recommendations and stuff. In other words, 116 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 3: he's not really listening to my view, he's not really 117 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 3: listening to people who might have a view. He's just 118 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 3: taking some instructions from somewhere in voting accordingly. And that's 119 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: part of the problem. I think when you get politics 120 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 3: involved in local government, what I'd hope is that people 121 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 3: are elected by people here in Wellington, that they'd be 122 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 3: actually reflecting the views of the people that they represent. 123 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: And I just think this is a startup for ten. 124 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: I think there's going to be further sort of into 125 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 3: niceeing warfare. And I think, you know, Tory foind out. 126 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 3: Good for her for standing up and sell those shares. 127 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: I think it was the right thing to do. But 128 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 3: you know, it's just you're going to see this warfare 129 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: to carry on now. And I have no face that 130 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 3: the City of willing To will be any bit of 131 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: governed in the years time that it is now. 132 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 2: Do you have that faith, Mike? 133 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I think that you know, I in some 134 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 4: city like cities country are under enormous pressure because of 135 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 4: our company infrastructure and enormous problems, and the cities have 136 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 4: to find the money another way other than just bumping 137 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 4: up rights of the year by watering sums. So I 138 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 4: think I was probably the right call. In the end. 139 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 4: This asset, all the council cheerholding, has worth about two 140 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 4: hundred and eighty millionaires. I understand might be a bit 141 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 4: more than that. And the money is going to go 142 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 4: into a perpetual investment fund. And that's a good idea 143 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 4: because you know the investment costing and an enormous over 144 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 4: the decades ahead. So look, I think that may be 145 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 4: right call. I wouldn't take this call about all these 146 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 4: muffings about a commission of being brought in very seriously. 147 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 4: I don't think Cindy and Brown wants to do that. 148 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 4: I think what's the councilor to get on with the 149 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 4: important business of. 150 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: Building the feet Yeah too, right, Hey, Mike, while I've 151 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: got you, have you heard have you heard musterings though 152 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: within the Labor Party that they want to punish the 153 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: labor counselors who voted through the long term plan or 154 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: for the airport airport share sales. 155 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 4: I didn't, don't punished, but I know that there's you know, 156 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 4: there's different views in the labor camp about this. Yeah, 157 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 4: well well within the left camp gender league with a 158 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 4: green meal of course, is you know, spearheading of sale. No, look, 159 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think so. I think that people 160 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 4: want to see the councils of get on with rebuilding 161 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 4: the social infrastructure of our cities. They want to get 162 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 4: on with the business of fixing up our three waters infrastructure, 163 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 4: which has taken about one time and before right now, 164 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 4: and I think they'll look back on this decision this 165 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 4: week has been a step in that direction. 166 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it was the right call in the end. Actually, guys, 167 00:07:57,480 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: thank you very much. Mike Monroe, Felo Ralier. Huddle this evening. 168 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 169 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 1: Newstalk SETB from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 170 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.