1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:16,507 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. The only place for the big names, 3 00:00:16,787 --> 00:00:22,667 Speaker 1: the big issues, the big controversies and the big conversations 4 00:00:22,907 --> 00:00:26,387 Speaker 1: heads all on Weekend Sport with Jason Pin on your 5 00:00:26,467 --> 00:00:28,707 Speaker 1: home of Sport News Talks ed B. 6 00:00:31,107 --> 00:00:34,027 Speaker 2: Thank you're to good afternoon. Welcome in to the Sunday 7 00:00:34,227 --> 00:00:37,107 Speaker 2: edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB. November ten, 8 00:00:37,907 --> 00:00:41,427 Speaker 2: Happy birthday to former All Blacks captain Andy Leslie. I'm 9 00:00:41,507 --> 00:00:44,667 Speaker 2: Jason Pine, Show producer Andy McDonald. We are here until 10 00:00:44,707 --> 00:00:48,907 Speaker 2: three talking sport. Neil Wagner has a book out. It's 11 00:00:48,947 --> 00:00:52,507 Speaker 2: called All Out. It is a terrific read. One of 12 00:00:52,547 --> 00:00:55,427 Speaker 2: our all time Test cricket and greats is with us 13 00:00:55,467 --> 00:00:58,107 Speaker 2: in studio this hour to talk about his life and 14 00:00:58,187 --> 00:01:01,067 Speaker 2: his career. I also, while we're on the subject of 15 00:01:01,107 --> 00:01:04,187 Speaker 2: Test cricket, want to get a gauge from you on 16 00:01:04,307 --> 00:01:06,947 Speaker 2: how you think the current Black Cats I might line 17 00:01:07,027 --> 00:01:10,787 Speaker 2: up against England when the first Test rolls around at 18 00:01:10,867 --> 00:01:14,387 Speaker 2: Hagley Oval in around eighteen days or so. There's a 19 00:01:14,387 --> 00:01:17,307 Speaker 2: bit of thinking to do for the selectors. Maybe you 20 00:01:17,347 --> 00:01:20,347 Speaker 2: could give them a hand after one we're going to 21 00:01:20,427 --> 00:01:24,027 Speaker 2: drill down into this issue of a second NRL team 22 00:01:24,187 --> 00:01:27,587 Speaker 2: in New Zealand. During the week a third christ Church 23 00:01:27,667 --> 00:01:31,107 Speaker 2: based consortium was unveiled. Now my first question is why 24 00:01:31,147 --> 00:01:34,187 Speaker 2: are there are three different ones all in the same city. 25 00:01:34,747 --> 00:01:38,227 Speaker 2: But what is the appetite in Australia do you think 26 00:01:38,227 --> 00:01:42,587 Speaker 2: for a second New Zealand based NRL side? Rugby League 27 00:01:42,587 --> 00:01:45,467 Speaker 2: writer Brad Walter on that after one, your thoughts are 28 00:01:45,507 --> 00:01:49,387 Speaker 2: obviously encouraged as well, particularly if you're in the christ 29 00:01:49,427 --> 00:01:52,707 Speaker 2: Church region. Other matters around today a milestone rugby match 30 00:01:52,787 --> 00:01:56,107 Speaker 2: yesterday for one of our most loved commentators as the 31 00:01:56,107 --> 00:01:59,027 Speaker 2: All Blackspeed Ireland and dubb And Grant Nisbet was behind 32 00:01:59,027 --> 00:02:03,147 Speaker 2: the mic for his three hundred and fiftieth Test match. 33 00:02:03,147 --> 00:02:07,947 Speaker 2: Incredible grand Thisbet or nisbovas he's almost universally known as 34 00:02:07,987 --> 00:02:11,947 Speaker 2: with us. After two, the Kiwi Ferns play the Pacific 35 00:02:12,067 --> 00:02:16,187 Speaker 2: Championship Rugby League final against Australia this afternoon, kick off 36 00:02:16,187 --> 00:02:18,427 Speaker 2: at ten to four in Sydney. That's New Zealand time. 37 00:02:19,227 --> 00:02:21,747 Speaker 2: Kiewi Fern Center Abby Roach on the show. After two, 38 00:02:21,987 --> 00:02:24,507 Speaker 2: both the Phoenix men and women play this afternoon. The 39 00:02:24,547 --> 00:02:27,347 Speaker 2: women at home to Canberra United at four the Men 40 00:02:27,387 --> 00:02:29,667 Speaker 2: away to the Central Coast marin Is from six. We'll 41 00:02:29,707 --> 00:02:33,107 Speaker 2: get you inside both camps James mcconi in his regular 42 00:02:33,387 --> 00:02:35,827 Speaker 2: Sunday slot as well, but a live sport on this 43 00:02:35,867 --> 00:02:38,307 Speaker 2: afternoon while we're on the year round seven action in 44 00:02:38,347 --> 00:02:40,867 Speaker 2: both the men's and women's National Football League, and a 45 00:02:40,867 --> 00:02:43,267 Speaker 2: bunch of NBA games to keep tabs on as well. 46 00:02:43,667 --> 00:02:47,547 Speaker 2: Your contribution though, is probably the most important show feature 47 00:02:47,627 --> 00:02:50,347 Speaker 2: of all. Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty Get you 48 00:02:50,427 --> 00:02:52,787 Speaker 2: throw on the phone nine two ninety two for text 49 00:02:52,827 --> 00:02:56,427 Speaker 2: messages and emails into me. Jason at Newstalk SEDB dot 50 00:02:56,467 --> 00:02:59,547 Speaker 2: co dot Nz just gone nine and a half past midday. 51 00:03:00,227 --> 00:03:05,307 Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the empy Fields weekends 52 00:03:05,387 --> 00:03:08,227 Speaker 1: for it with Jesson new s Talk Zenvy. 53 00:03:09,747 --> 00:03:13,227 Speaker 2: Neil Wagner had one of the great New Zealand Test 54 00:03:13,307 --> 00:03:19,027 Speaker 2: cricket careers. 55 00:03:16,387 --> 00:03:29,227 Speaker 3: Side New Zealand one stunning Test match. 56 00:03:32,867 --> 00:03:35,387 Speaker 2: They're one of the most famous Test matches and Neil 57 00:03:35,427 --> 00:03:38,587 Speaker 2: Wagner front and center for it. He played sixty four 58 00:03:38,987 --> 00:03:42,627 Speaker 2: Test matches for New Zealand took two hundred and sixty wickets, 59 00:03:42,667 --> 00:03:45,307 Speaker 2: the fifth most by any New Zealand bowler at an 60 00:03:45,307 --> 00:03:48,307 Speaker 2: average of twenty seven point five to seven and an 61 00:03:48,347 --> 00:03:52,867 Speaker 2: exceptional strike rate of a wicket every fifty two deliveries. 62 00:03:53,107 --> 00:03:55,227 Speaker 2: Of the New Zealand bowlers who have taken more than 63 00:03:55,267 --> 00:03:58,867 Speaker 2: one hundred Test wickets, he is second only to Sir 64 00:03:58,947 --> 00:04:01,827 Speaker 2: Richard Hadley in terms of the number of balls bowled 65 00:04:02,067 --> 00:04:05,907 Speaker 2: per wicket taken. But it was his approach to the game, 66 00:04:06,147 --> 00:04:10,267 Speaker 2: his lion hearted attitude, has never say die mentality, and 67 00:04:10,307 --> 00:04:13,787 Speaker 2: his willingness to run and ball after ball, over after over, 68 00:04:14,227 --> 00:04:18,507 Speaker 2: regardless of the conditions, all the match situation, and never 69 00:04:18,707 --> 00:04:22,827 Speaker 2: give an opposition batter a second's rest, which endeared him 70 00:04:23,027 --> 00:04:27,547 Speaker 2: to New Zealand cricket fans. His autobiography is out, It's 71 00:04:28,227 --> 00:04:31,027 Speaker 2: All Out and your wag that is in studio. Great 72 00:04:31,067 --> 00:04:33,827 Speaker 2: to see you mate. How did you find the process 73 00:04:34,267 --> 00:04:35,147 Speaker 2: of writing the book? 74 00:04:37,387 --> 00:04:39,947 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've got a lot of more respects for people 75 00:04:39,947 --> 00:04:40,667 Speaker 4: who write a book now. 76 00:04:40,707 --> 00:04:41,147 Speaker 5: Number one. 77 00:04:41,987 --> 00:04:43,827 Speaker 4: Number two sort of felt like counseling in a way 78 00:04:43,827 --> 00:04:49,027 Speaker 4: a little bit. Yeah, it was. It wasn't easy to 79 00:04:49,267 --> 00:04:52,387 Speaker 4: obviously get a lot of stuff out that a lot 80 00:04:52,427 --> 00:04:55,547 Speaker 4: of things that my family member's close friends, a lot 81 00:04:55,587 --> 00:04:57,867 Speaker 4: of people wouldn't have known about me. You sort of 82 00:04:58,107 --> 00:05:00,107 Speaker 4: had to give them a heads up before the book 83 00:05:00,107 --> 00:05:02,507 Speaker 4: obviously came out to say hey, so that they don't 84 00:05:02,507 --> 00:05:04,547 Speaker 4: read it in there for the first time, but to 85 00:05:04,547 --> 00:05:07,027 Speaker 4: open up and sort of put ever out there. 86 00:05:08,067 --> 00:05:08,827 Speaker 5: It's not easy. 87 00:05:09,147 --> 00:05:10,907 Speaker 4: You know, everyone's going to know everything about you, but 88 00:05:11,867 --> 00:05:15,107 Speaker 4: personally wanted to make an impact and tell a pretty 89 00:05:15,107 --> 00:05:17,267 Speaker 4: cool story that you know, my career has sort of 90 00:05:17,267 --> 00:05:20,987 Speaker 4: been through and what I've went through, so so yeah, 91 00:05:20,987 --> 00:05:23,467 Speaker 4: hopefully can make an impact in one person's life, I'll 92 00:05:23,507 --> 00:05:24,627 Speaker 4: be pretty satisfied. 93 00:05:25,427 --> 00:05:29,467 Speaker 2: Sometimes cricket auto biographies in particular can become a bit 94 00:05:29,467 --> 00:05:31,427 Speaker 2: of a list of games that you played and the 95 00:05:31,507 --> 00:05:33,547 Speaker 2: runs you scored, the will get you took, that sort 96 00:05:33,547 --> 00:05:35,947 Speaker 2: of thing. But this book is so much more than that, 97 00:05:36,107 --> 00:05:39,587 Speaker 2: as you've just alluded to there. How keen were you 98 00:05:39,747 --> 00:05:42,507 Speaker 2: for it to be a true account of the many 99 00:05:42,627 --> 00:05:44,027 Speaker 2: ups and downs in your life? 100 00:05:44,907 --> 00:05:46,707 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there was the reason why I, you know, 101 00:05:47,027 --> 00:05:49,507 Speaker 4: wanted to write a book at first. You know, I 102 00:05:49,547 --> 00:05:52,907 Speaker 4: got hounded by James Roader, the writer to write this book, 103 00:05:52,907 --> 00:05:55,147 Speaker 4: and I kept saying, nah, nah, I don't want to 104 00:05:55,147 --> 00:05:56,747 Speaker 4: do it, I don't want to do it. You know, 105 00:05:56,787 --> 00:05:59,267 Speaker 4: I hate making anything sort of about me or something 106 00:05:59,307 --> 00:06:00,947 Speaker 4: like that, so I was a little bit against it. 107 00:06:01,027 --> 00:06:05,947 Speaker 4: And yeah, after you retirement and sitting down reflecting, and 108 00:06:06,427 --> 00:06:08,147 Speaker 4: you know, I had a couple of a couple of 109 00:06:08,147 --> 00:06:11,027 Speaker 4: whiskeys one night with my wife sitting down, and I 110 00:06:11,227 --> 00:06:13,347 Speaker 4: rang them up and said, let's write this book and 111 00:06:13,387 --> 00:06:15,547 Speaker 4: put it on paper because I'll change my mind tomorrow. 112 00:06:16,587 --> 00:06:18,067 Speaker 4: And then I thought, you know, I'm going to have 113 00:06:18,107 --> 00:06:19,667 Speaker 4: to go all out here. I'm going to have to 114 00:06:19,707 --> 00:06:21,867 Speaker 4: try and try and explain and give a real in 115 00:06:21,947 --> 00:06:27,667 Speaker 4: depth I guess sort of background, and I guess tell 116 00:06:27,747 --> 00:06:30,267 Speaker 4: the whole story and people might understand a little bit 117 00:06:30,307 --> 00:06:32,707 Speaker 4: more and see why, you know, my veins popped every 118 00:06:32,707 --> 00:06:37,227 Speaker 4: time I guess celebrated wicket and got extremely animated. I 119 00:06:37,307 --> 00:06:38,907 Speaker 4: think this will give a lot of people a lot 120 00:06:38,907 --> 00:06:42,707 Speaker 4: of insight and reasons behind the scenes and will know 121 00:06:42,747 --> 00:06:43,307 Speaker 4: a lot of more. 122 00:06:43,747 --> 00:06:47,147 Speaker 2: Well, it certainly did for me. It's a terrific read. Neil, 123 00:06:47,187 --> 00:06:50,667 Speaker 2: congratulations on it. I know many people will find it 124 00:06:50,707 --> 00:06:54,067 Speaker 2: hard to correlate the confidence with which you played your cricket. 125 00:06:54,467 --> 00:06:56,507 Speaker 2: You know that as you say that how pumped up 126 00:06:56,547 --> 00:07:00,307 Speaker 2: you were, how outwardly exuberant, you always were with the 127 00:07:00,307 --> 00:07:03,627 Speaker 2: off field challenges you talk about in the book at 128 00:07:03,667 --> 00:07:06,467 Speaker 2: its worst, the self doubt that you talk about the 129 00:07:06,467 --> 00:07:09,147 Speaker 2: book at its worst. How bad was that? 130 00:07:09,947 --> 00:07:10,147 Speaker 5: Yeah? 131 00:07:10,147 --> 00:07:14,427 Speaker 4: Extremely bad at times when when you're on the fringe 132 00:07:14,467 --> 00:07:15,747 Speaker 4: and you don't know if you're going to play or not. 133 00:07:16,347 --> 00:07:17,987 Speaker 4: You know, you find out the morning of the teasse 134 00:07:18,027 --> 00:07:19,947 Speaker 4: if you're going to be twelve and you're playing the 135 00:07:20,027 --> 00:07:23,667 Speaker 4: night before, not being able to sleep, you know, worrying 136 00:07:23,667 --> 00:07:26,547 Speaker 4: about if you're going to play or not, the uncontrollable. 137 00:07:25,867 --> 00:07:27,187 Speaker 5: Things of you. 138 00:07:27,187 --> 00:07:29,347 Speaker 4: You're sort of just you know, playing around your head 139 00:07:30,027 --> 00:07:32,467 Speaker 4: and then finding out you're not playing, was disappointed. 140 00:07:32,467 --> 00:07:34,867 Speaker 5: But then when you do play, you're excited. 141 00:07:34,947 --> 00:07:37,387 Speaker 4: But then the nurse straight away kick there and the anxiety, 142 00:07:38,587 --> 00:07:40,667 Speaker 4: I guess, the fear of failure, those sort of things. 143 00:07:41,507 --> 00:07:43,387 Speaker 4: You know, when you've done one your career but you 144 00:07:43,427 --> 00:07:47,067 Speaker 4: don't get a chance in white ball, cricket or and 145 00:07:47,147 --> 00:07:49,387 Speaker 4: other things, you sort of doubt yourself, you know, like 146 00:07:49,547 --> 00:07:51,427 Speaker 4: are you just you know, having a bit of luck 147 00:07:51,587 --> 00:07:53,507 Speaker 4: or you know, are you actually good enough? Why you're 148 00:07:53,507 --> 00:07:56,267 Speaker 4: not seen to I guess get you know, go to 149 00:07:56,307 --> 00:07:59,107 Speaker 4: another step further or do better or do more. 150 00:08:00,227 --> 00:08:02,427 Speaker 5: You know, there's there's a lot of anxiety around that. 151 00:08:03,227 --> 00:08:05,987 Speaker 4: And then when you did well and performed, was to 152 00:08:06,067 --> 00:08:09,227 Speaker 4: keep performing and keep doing well. And then we had 153 00:08:09,267 --> 00:08:12,387 Speaker 4: extremely good crop of fast bowlers around, bringing down your 154 00:08:12,387 --> 00:08:14,267 Speaker 4: neck the whole time, seeing you had to be at 155 00:08:14,307 --> 00:08:16,267 Speaker 4: the top of your game. Any anytime you sort of 156 00:08:16,267 --> 00:08:19,027 Speaker 4: slip up, someone else is going to take that opportunity 157 00:08:19,107 --> 00:08:20,347 Speaker 4: and that could be. 158 00:08:20,267 --> 00:08:20,867 Speaker 5: A career over. 159 00:08:21,067 --> 00:08:23,947 Speaker 4: So yeah, that came with a lot of challenges on 160 00:08:23,987 --> 00:08:25,987 Speaker 4: and off the field. Came a lot of things that 161 00:08:26,067 --> 00:08:28,347 Speaker 4: you had to try and put aside because I was 162 00:08:28,387 --> 00:08:32,787 Speaker 4: tiring and it was draining mentally. It was definitely fatiguing. 163 00:08:32,907 --> 00:08:36,867 Speaker 4: So for me, it was quite nice that I could 164 00:08:37,307 --> 00:08:40,467 Speaker 4: channel that I guess stuff and to bowling bounces. 165 00:08:40,507 --> 00:08:41,107 Speaker 5: I guess. 166 00:08:42,427 --> 00:08:44,187 Speaker 2: Indeed, I want to talk about some of the highs. 167 00:08:44,267 --> 00:08:46,347 Speaker 2: But but first of all, when do you reckon you 168 00:08:46,387 --> 00:08:50,067 Speaker 2: were bowling at your absolute best? Is there a sweet 169 00:08:50,107 --> 00:08:51,987 Speaker 2: spot in your career? 170 00:08:52,707 --> 00:08:58,467 Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely fill two and sixteen, probably two, you know, 171 00:08:58,787 --> 00:09:01,827 Speaker 4: I think a year before I retired it was probably 172 00:09:02,067 --> 00:09:05,747 Speaker 4: the best. I think, you know, as situations sort of 173 00:09:05,787 --> 00:09:08,307 Speaker 4: went on, easy grew in confidence as you had I 174 00:09:08,347 --> 00:09:11,867 Speaker 4: guess you could put it away that fear and anxiety 175 00:09:11,907 --> 00:09:13,547 Speaker 4: in that streets when your place got a little bit 176 00:09:13,587 --> 00:09:15,107 Speaker 4: more cemented and you knew we're going to play and 177 00:09:15,107 --> 00:09:16,907 Speaker 4: you can park those things up and you had a 178 00:09:16,907 --> 00:09:19,387 Speaker 4: good night's sleep beforehand, and you can just worry about 179 00:09:19,387 --> 00:09:21,947 Speaker 4: the job that you need to do. But once you 180 00:09:22,067 --> 00:09:25,587 Speaker 4: had a bit more experience it wasn't new, and you 181 00:09:25,587 --> 00:09:28,067 Speaker 4: had a couple of games behind your belt, it became easier. 182 00:09:28,067 --> 00:09:30,467 Speaker 4: And then it was sort of just get stuck into 183 00:09:30,467 --> 00:09:32,907 Speaker 4: your work sort of thing, you know, and the rhythm 184 00:09:32,947 --> 00:09:34,747 Speaker 4: was sort of there, and things sort of felt like 185 00:09:34,787 --> 00:09:38,787 Speaker 4: it was easier to kind of deal with the other challenges. 186 00:09:38,907 --> 00:09:41,787 Speaker 4: Was tough with your body when you had to you know, 187 00:09:42,107 --> 00:09:44,707 Speaker 4: the aches and pains and you know the soreness. You 188 00:09:44,747 --> 00:09:48,027 Speaker 4: had to try and go through that and buite through it. 189 00:09:48,467 --> 00:09:50,867 Speaker 4: There was a challenge with it itself as well, where 190 00:09:51,147 --> 00:09:53,147 Speaker 4: you know, there's times you felt like maybe you should 191 00:09:53,507 --> 00:09:56,147 Speaker 4: sit this one out. But then I was just thinking 192 00:09:56,187 --> 00:09:58,387 Speaker 4: deep and it was amazing to see what you could 193 00:09:58,427 --> 00:10:00,147 Speaker 4: then do, what you could achieve, you know, how high 194 00:10:00,187 --> 00:10:02,267 Speaker 4: you could actually push your body and where I thought 195 00:10:02,267 --> 00:10:03,587 Speaker 4: I couldn't play that teas all of a sudden, you 196 00:10:03,587 --> 00:10:05,027 Speaker 4: played a whole series and you played three te s 197 00:10:05,027 --> 00:10:07,667 Speaker 4: matches and got through it. It was amazing to see 198 00:10:07,667 --> 00:10:10,107 Speaker 4: and that gave yourself again that confidence to be able 199 00:10:10,107 --> 00:10:10,987 Speaker 4: to know how far you can. 200 00:10:10,867 --> 00:10:11,507 Speaker 5: Push your body. 201 00:10:12,267 --> 00:10:14,107 Speaker 2: I want to ask you about a couple of specific 202 00:10:14,147 --> 00:10:16,787 Speaker 2: test matches which fall towards the back end of your career. 203 00:10:17,027 --> 00:10:21,987 Speaker 2: The World Test Championship Final win over India twenty twenty one. 204 00:10:22,227 --> 00:10:23,827 Speaker 2: I love your account of it in the book, and 205 00:10:24,427 --> 00:10:27,947 Speaker 2: I love Trent Bolt saying, as Kan and Ross Taylor 206 00:10:28,067 --> 00:10:29,747 Speaker 2: out there, Look, if you have to go and you 207 00:10:29,747 --> 00:10:32,267 Speaker 2: could get ted runs, you could get ted runs. I 208 00:10:32,307 --> 00:10:34,827 Speaker 2: could get five runs. We're going to get there. I mean, 209 00:10:34,827 --> 00:10:36,707 Speaker 2: that's a great memory. But what are your most vivid 210 00:10:36,787 --> 00:10:38,507 Speaker 2: memories of the World Test Championship win. 211 00:10:39,347 --> 00:10:41,467 Speaker 4: There was probably the longest test of my whole career, 212 00:10:42,707 --> 00:10:44,947 Speaker 4: not just because we had six days with the extra day. 213 00:10:45,067 --> 00:10:47,547 Speaker 4: It was because we stayed at the ground and your 214 00:10:47,627 --> 00:10:51,187 Speaker 4: room staring looking at the ground, waking up six o'clock 215 00:10:51,187 --> 00:10:52,867 Speaker 4: in the morning and you can hear the carvers coming 216 00:10:52,907 --> 00:10:56,107 Speaker 4: off and the lawnmow starting up and working in stuff 217 00:10:56,147 --> 00:10:58,787 Speaker 4: like that. It was pretty surreal. Because we normally don't 218 00:10:58,947 --> 00:11:00,587 Speaker 4: stay at the ground. You sort of drive in with 219 00:11:00,587 --> 00:11:03,027 Speaker 4: a bus and you sort of far away, but it 220 00:11:03,147 --> 00:11:06,067 Speaker 4: just felt like you were constantly in this game and 221 00:11:06,107 --> 00:11:08,947 Speaker 4: there at the ground and never a way, So that 222 00:11:09,147 --> 00:11:13,787 Speaker 4: was extremely draining afterwards. But yeah, it was an amazing 223 00:11:13,827 --> 00:11:15,347 Speaker 4: test to be a part of just the ebb and 224 00:11:15,387 --> 00:11:19,707 Speaker 4: flover sitting around waiting with whether so many. 225 00:11:19,507 --> 00:11:20,187 Speaker 5: Things have happened in it. 226 00:11:20,307 --> 00:11:22,507 Speaker 4: But it was just an amazing game of cricket to 227 00:11:22,507 --> 00:11:25,347 Speaker 4: being involved in, and definitely obviously for me, the pinnacle 228 00:11:25,347 --> 00:11:27,067 Speaker 4: of the game. And to be able to beat an 229 00:11:27,067 --> 00:11:31,307 Speaker 4: India team equality team in a final like that was 230 00:11:31,307 --> 00:11:33,587 Speaker 4: was high quality and there we've gone this team and 231 00:11:34,027 --> 00:11:36,507 Speaker 4: back that up and beat them three all in India 232 00:11:37,547 --> 00:11:39,907 Speaker 4: over the past month. Was an amazing achievement and there 233 00:11:39,907 --> 00:11:41,387 Speaker 4: will be the pinnacle of I guess a lot of 234 00:11:41,387 --> 00:11:43,707 Speaker 4: those guys career as one of the best achievements they 235 00:11:43,707 --> 00:11:44,427 Speaker 4: would have ever had. 236 00:11:45,547 --> 00:11:49,267 Speaker 2: The one run win over England at the basin after 237 00:11:49,307 --> 00:11:53,067 Speaker 2: following on take us inside your head as you line 238 00:11:53,107 --> 00:11:55,427 Speaker 2: up to bowlder Jimmy Anderson England and nine down they 239 00:11:55,467 --> 00:11:56,907 Speaker 2: need to to win again. 240 00:11:56,987 --> 00:11:59,147 Speaker 4: The ebbs and flows of that game where you feel 241 00:11:59,147 --> 00:12:02,067 Speaker 4: like in control, you feel like you know we've done 242 00:12:02,147 --> 00:12:05,587 Speaker 4: hard work, We've gone through two innings after being made 243 00:12:05,587 --> 00:12:09,227 Speaker 4: follow on, you know, the man of work those battest 244 00:12:09,267 --> 00:12:10,867 Speaker 4: put on to get us in a good position, and 245 00:12:10,907 --> 00:12:12,267 Speaker 4: all of a sudden, a couple of wickets full. 246 00:12:12,347 --> 00:12:14,347 Speaker 5: You feel like you're going to you know, this is it, 247 00:12:14,387 --> 00:12:15,267 Speaker 5: We're going to win this game. 248 00:12:15,387 --> 00:12:18,427 Speaker 4: Then a partnership between Stokes and Roots sort of brings 249 00:12:18,427 --> 00:12:20,547 Speaker 4: that back down again and put you under pressure and 250 00:12:20,987 --> 00:12:22,987 Speaker 4: finally get their wickets and you feel like, okay, this 251 00:12:23,067 --> 00:12:23,307 Speaker 4: is it. 252 00:12:23,347 --> 00:12:25,147 Speaker 5: This is the moment too. You know, we've got a 253 00:12:25,187 --> 00:12:25,667 Speaker 5: sniff here. 254 00:12:25,707 --> 00:12:28,947 Speaker 4: And then James Anderson pulls me through Cane's legs out 255 00:12:28,947 --> 00:12:31,227 Speaker 4: of nowhere for four and I thought, Jesus is it. 256 00:12:31,267 --> 00:12:32,227 Speaker 5: You know, it's not meant to be. 257 00:12:33,227 --> 00:12:34,387 Speaker 4: You've got to get back to your top of your 258 00:12:34,427 --> 00:12:36,787 Speaker 4: mark and you know, put that behind you and find 259 00:12:36,787 --> 00:12:40,027 Speaker 4: a way of doing something believing that we can win 260 00:12:40,067 --> 00:12:43,107 Speaker 4: this and thank goodness will a little tickle down legs side, 261 00:12:43,107 --> 00:12:45,947 Speaker 4: But yeah, it was. It was definitely, you know, a 262 00:12:46,027 --> 00:12:48,387 Speaker 4: highlight of a Korea, something that you know you look 263 00:12:48,467 --> 00:12:51,867 Speaker 4: back on fondly and always remember. And the moments afterwards 264 00:12:51,907 --> 00:12:54,547 Speaker 4: in the change room of your mates, you know, drinking 265 00:12:54,547 --> 00:12:57,747 Speaker 4: a couple of nice cold beers. Those are the moments 266 00:12:57,747 --> 00:13:00,187 Speaker 4: you can remember, the smile on everyone's faces, and it's 267 00:13:00,227 --> 00:13:02,147 Speaker 4: the thing you miss the most. 268 00:13:02,067 --> 00:13:04,867 Speaker 2: The next teest after that trinchor in christ at the 269 00:13:04,907 --> 00:13:08,067 Speaker 2: end of that summer, You've got a torn hamstring and 270 00:13:08,147 --> 00:13:10,907 Speaker 2: a bulging disc in your back, chasing two eenty five 271 00:13:10,947 --> 00:13:13,427 Speaker 2: to win. Matt Henry gets out five to win. You 272 00:13:13,467 --> 00:13:16,427 Speaker 2: go out there to join Kine with one run to win. 273 00:13:16,507 --> 00:13:19,627 Speaker 2: You sprint twenty meters dive fall length with a torn 274 00:13:19,667 --> 00:13:22,427 Speaker 2: hamstring and a bulging disc in your back to run 275 00:13:22,467 --> 00:13:25,627 Speaker 2: the buy that wins the game on your thirty seventh birthday. 276 00:13:25,667 --> 00:13:29,467 Speaker 2: I mean, come on, that's up there. 277 00:13:29,507 --> 00:13:31,947 Speaker 5: Yeah, I had to do something. 278 00:13:32,067 --> 00:13:34,827 Speaker 4: I was bloody frustrated that I got injured and you know, 279 00:13:35,267 --> 00:13:37,547 Speaker 4: not playing a part of the game and sitting there watching, 280 00:13:37,587 --> 00:13:38,547 Speaker 4: you know, you feel helpless. 281 00:13:38,587 --> 00:13:38,827 Speaker 5: It was. 282 00:13:39,267 --> 00:13:40,947 Speaker 4: It's one of the worst things as sports when you're 283 00:13:40,947 --> 00:13:42,987 Speaker 4: they're injured on the side and you watch your mates, 284 00:13:43,027 --> 00:13:45,267 Speaker 4: you know, grinding away, and I just felt like I 285 00:13:45,267 --> 00:13:47,227 Speaker 4: want to do something. I wanted to contribute somewhere, you know, 286 00:13:47,347 --> 00:13:50,667 Speaker 4: you want to get amongst it. And it's an amazing thing. 287 00:13:50,667 --> 00:13:52,667 Speaker 4: In drilling and a couple of painkillers what it can do. 288 00:13:53,947 --> 00:13:56,347 Speaker 4: Jogged out there and sort of tested the hamstring out 289 00:13:56,347 --> 00:13:57,747 Speaker 4: and I thought, yeah, I can do this until I 290 00:13:57,747 --> 00:14:00,787 Speaker 4: started running their foot and that run I felt like 291 00:14:00,827 --> 00:14:03,907 Speaker 4: I was pulling an eighteen year old truck, but eventually 292 00:14:03,907 --> 00:14:06,187 Speaker 4: got there. But yeah, it was It was just nice 293 00:14:06,187 --> 00:14:07,747 Speaker 4: to be out there, I guess in a moment where 294 00:14:07,827 --> 00:14:11,347 Speaker 4: Caine played such an amazing innings instead of us home. 295 00:14:11,667 --> 00:14:13,267 Speaker 4: You know, he's done it so many times, but to 296 00:14:13,587 --> 00:14:15,627 Speaker 4: be there, I guess again, in the most of it 297 00:14:15,667 --> 00:14:19,427 Speaker 4: and a part of it, it was a huge, a 298 00:14:19,507 --> 00:14:22,147 Speaker 4: huge privilege and a huge honor, you know, to to 299 00:14:22,187 --> 00:14:24,907 Speaker 4: represent his zeland, but to be there in a winning 300 00:14:24,907 --> 00:14:27,547 Speaker 4: a moment like that, as yeah, is pretty special. 301 00:14:28,427 --> 00:14:30,547 Speaker 2: Now, can you talk us through the conversations that led 302 00:14:30,587 --> 00:14:32,027 Speaker 2: to your international retirement. 303 00:14:33,147 --> 00:14:33,907 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was tough. 304 00:14:35,067 --> 00:14:36,547 Speaker 4: There was one of the hardest things I think I've 305 00:14:36,547 --> 00:14:41,427 Speaker 4: ever had to go through as a sportsman, as a player. 306 00:14:41,467 --> 00:14:43,267 Speaker 4: You know, when you feel like you still have something 307 00:14:43,307 --> 00:14:45,667 Speaker 4: to offer and you're there, you know, yeah, age is 308 00:14:45,707 --> 00:14:48,427 Speaker 4: for me personally, just a number. I'm still playing cricket 309 00:14:48,427 --> 00:14:50,747 Speaker 4: the moment domestically and still feel like, you know, you 310 00:14:50,827 --> 00:14:53,747 Speaker 4: can get a job done. But you know, I kind 311 00:14:53,787 --> 00:14:56,467 Speaker 4: of feel like, yeah, when when you're not doing as 312 00:14:56,507 --> 00:14:58,027 Speaker 4: well or you know you're going through a bit of 313 00:14:58,227 --> 00:14:58,907 Speaker 4: a tough patch. 314 00:14:58,947 --> 00:15:01,667 Speaker 5: Sometimes it's part of a parcel of this sport and. 315 00:15:01,867 --> 00:15:03,787 Speaker 4: The nature of it, and you know you only one 316 00:15:03,827 --> 00:15:06,547 Speaker 4: get him away from from that swinging round and know 317 00:15:06,587 --> 00:15:09,707 Speaker 4: what you can do with the experience you've you've gone 318 00:15:09,747 --> 00:15:11,667 Speaker 4: through throughout the years and and sort of felt like, 319 00:15:11,707 --> 00:15:15,107 Speaker 4: you know, I still had a bit to offer to 320 00:15:15,107 --> 00:15:18,267 Speaker 4: to get pulled up aside, and you know, I guess 321 00:15:18,307 --> 00:15:20,347 Speaker 4: thee oh the words where you know gets told you 322 00:15:20,347 --> 00:15:23,027 Speaker 4: your your career is over and we think you should retires. 323 00:15:24,067 --> 00:15:27,227 Speaker 4: It's tough, you know, you know, it took a while 324 00:15:27,307 --> 00:15:30,667 Speaker 4: to to sink in. It took a while to to 325 00:15:30,787 --> 00:15:33,347 Speaker 4: realize that, you know, for the team and for the 326 00:15:33,387 --> 00:15:35,467 Speaker 4: best thing forward, that it might be the right decision 327 00:15:35,467 --> 00:15:37,187 Speaker 4: and it's something that I'm going to have to do, 328 00:15:37,627 --> 00:15:41,147 Speaker 4: and you know, you think about the team first. I 329 00:15:41,147 --> 00:15:43,827 Speaker 4: guess in that moment. But yeah, it wasn't easy. It's 330 00:15:44,267 --> 00:15:46,027 Speaker 4: it's a tough thing. And like I said, when you 331 00:15:46,067 --> 00:15:48,147 Speaker 4: when you treasure something so much and it's been such 332 00:15:48,187 --> 00:15:50,627 Speaker 4: a big part of you for so long and you 333 00:15:50,667 --> 00:15:52,867 Speaker 4: want to be out there to to create more memories 334 00:15:53,347 --> 00:15:57,907 Speaker 4: to know that it just stops an instant like that. Yeah, 335 00:15:58,147 --> 00:16:00,467 Speaker 4: it wasn't easy, but hey, it's part of life and 336 00:16:00,547 --> 00:16:02,867 Speaker 4: part of a sportsman's journey, I guess in a way. 337 00:16:02,907 --> 00:16:05,987 Speaker 4: And again that's what I wanted to try and get 338 00:16:06,027 --> 00:16:08,947 Speaker 4: across this book because the learnings of that is that 339 00:16:09,347 --> 00:16:11,067 Speaker 4: I'm probably not the only guy to go through this. 340 00:16:11,667 --> 00:16:13,947 Speaker 4: I probably won't be the only guy to go through this, 341 00:16:14,027 --> 00:16:16,747 Speaker 4: and other people will go through it as well. The 342 00:16:17,027 --> 00:16:20,507 Speaker 4: mental stuff with that afterwards again was brutal. You know, 343 00:16:20,587 --> 00:16:22,867 Speaker 4: the lows you feel with that and having to pick 344 00:16:22,907 --> 00:16:26,387 Speaker 4: yourself up again and go again, it's pretty tough. And 345 00:16:26,667 --> 00:16:28,307 Speaker 4: that's what I wanted to try and achieve out of 346 00:16:28,307 --> 00:16:31,507 Speaker 4: this book, is to hopefully have an impact in someone's life, 347 00:16:31,507 --> 00:16:33,147 Speaker 4: because I know about a couple of people doing it 348 00:16:33,147 --> 00:16:34,387 Speaker 4: pretty tough out there at the moment. 349 00:16:35,107 --> 00:16:36,667 Speaker 5: They're not alone. There's a lot of people go through 350 00:16:36,707 --> 00:16:37,347 Speaker 5: these sort of things. 351 00:16:38,307 --> 00:16:40,427 Speaker 2: Of course, the two guys who you had the conversation with, 352 00:16:40,627 --> 00:16:42,507 Speaker 2: or two of them were Gary Stead and Tim Soudy, 353 00:16:42,667 --> 00:16:45,787 Speaker 2: coach and captain at the time. How's your relationship with 354 00:16:45,787 --> 00:16:46,387 Speaker 2: those two guys? 355 00:16:46,427 --> 00:16:50,027 Speaker 4: Now, I've got a very good relationship with Tim. You know, 356 00:16:50,107 --> 00:16:52,507 Speaker 4: I've you know, sent him a text last night again 357 00:16:52,587 --> 00:16:55,987 Speaker 4: congratulating him with us. You know, he is a good mate. 358 00:16:56,027 --> 00:16:58,267 Speaker 4: We've we've shared the change him, you know, and some 359 00:16:58,387 --> 00:17:02,547 Speaker 4: real highs and lows together and a and a huge 360 00:17:02,547 --> 00:17:05,027 Speaker 4: friendship and we'll be friends of life, you know. It's 361 00:17:05,107 --> 00:17:06,947 Speaker 4: one thing of this whole black up set up. It's 362 00:17:06,987 --> 00:17:10,827 Speaker 4: been pretty amazing in that sense. And with Gary, you know, 363 00:17:11,827 --> 00:17:13,907 Speaker 4: I don't think it would have been easy for him. 364 00:17:14,827 --> 00:17:17,507 Speaker 4: I haven't really spoken to him after that, but I know, 365 00:17:17,787 --> 00:17:20,747 Speaker 4: you know, as a coach, it can't be it can't 366 00:17:20,747 --> 00:17:23,267 Speaker 4: be easy thing to do, and it's part of your job, 367 00:17:23,307 --> 00:17:24,587 Speaker 4: I guess in nature. 368 00:17:24,627 --> 00:17:27,987 Speaker 5: But yeah, haven't really really spoken to him afterwards. 369 00:17:27,987 --> 00:17:30,387 Speaker 4: But yeah, somewhere somewhere down the line, will probably sit 370 00:17:30,427 --> 00:17:31,667 Speaker 4: down every somewhere. 371 00:17:33,027 --> 00:17:37,827 Speaker 2: What drove you to give absolutely everything you did when 372 00:17:37,867 --> 00:17:39,867 Speaker 2: you had not just the silver fern on your chest, 373 00:17:39,907 --> 00:17:43,987 Speaker 2: but any cricket shirt on. What where did that drive 374 00:17:44,787 --> 00:17:46,867 Speaker 2: come from? 375 00:17:46,947 --> 00:17:47,547 Speaker 5: Yeah? 376 00:17:47,747 --> 00:17:51,027 Speaker 4: The once and will to you know, I guess, achieve 377 00:17:51,067 --> 00:17:52,867 Speaker 4: your dream and your goal that you wanted to do 378 00:17:53,027 --> 00:17:55,667 Speaker 4: number one, but number two, having felt throughout your whole 379 00:17:55,667 --> 00:17:58,187 Speaker 4: life that you're not really getting back to or people 380 00:17:58,227 --> 00:18:00,227 Speaker 4: don't really see what. 381 00:18:00,187 --> 00:18:02,107 Speaker 5: You feel or believe that you can do. 382 00:18:03,547 --> 00:18:05,867 Speaker 4: You know, you don't really get the backing, or you 383 00:18:05,867 --> 00:18:08,587 Speaker 4: don't really feel like people believe that you can do. 384 00:18:08,787 --> 00:18:10,947 Speaker 5: I guess the job as good as other people can. 385 00:18:11,067 --> 00:18:14,307 Speaker 4: And so for me, it was ultimately, you know, you 386 00:18:14,347 --> 00:18:15,987 Speaker 4: sort of always felt like you beck a little bit 387 00:18:16,027 --> 00:18:17,507 Speaker 4: against the wall and you've got to go out and 388 00:18:17,627 --> 00:18:21,187 Speaker 4: prove yourself over and over again. And I just had 389 00:18:21,387 --> 00:18:24,267 Speaker 4: to find this way of trying to prove people wrong 390 00:18:24,307 --> 00:18:26,587 Speaker 4: and show them and say, hey, I can do this job, 391 00:18:26,627 --> 00:18:29,307 Speaker 4: and I'll do it all day long. And that drove 392 00:18:29,387 --> 00:18:31,987 Speaker 4: me to, you know, stand up the whole time. The 393 00:18:31,987 --> 00:18:34,507 Speaker 4: amount of times they had to fall down and get 394 00:18:34,507 --> 00:18:37,747 Speaker 4: back up again was sort of something that told you 395 00:18:37,787 --> 00:18:40,347 Speaker 4: a lot. And I guess my wife was a huge 396 00:18:40,387 --> 00:18:43,227 Speaker 4: driver beyond the scenes with a lot of things, the 397 00:18:43,267 --> 00:18:45,707 Speaker 4: stuff she had to go through as well, and the 398 00:18:45,747 --> 00:18:48,227 Speaker 4: support she had to give me for my family and 399 00:18:48,227 --> 00:18:50,747 Speaker 4: stuff like that. You know, I knew it's a little 400 00:18:50,747 --> 00:18:52,187 Speaker 4: bit more than just playing for myself. 401 00:18:52,547 --> 00:18:53,547 Speaker 5: You're representing them. 402 00:18:53,947 --> 00:18:56,707 Speaker 4: You're playing for them as well, and to give them 403 00:18:56,747 --> 00:18:58,267 Speaker 4: a better life and put a roof over your head, 404 00:18:58,827 --> 00:19:00,307 Speaker 4: you know, there's a lot of stuff writing on this, 405 00:19:00,427 --> 00:19:02,547 Speaker 4: so you had to try and find a way, and 406 00:19:03,467 --> 00:19:06,187 Speaker 4: there's all their passions sort of came in and try 407 00:19:06,227 --> 00:19:08,187 Speaker 4: to live every time, I, you know, had they fund 408 00:19:08,507 --> 00:19:09,027 Speaker 4: on my chest. 409 00:19:09,707 --> 00:19:11,267 Speaker 2: Do you ever wonder what would have happened if you 410 00:19:11,267 --> 00:19:13,147 Speaker 2: hadn't accepted the offer to come to Otaga. 411 00:19:13,907 --> 00:19:20,147 Speaker 5: Gosh, I'll probably still live in my parents. I don't know. Gosh, 412 00:19:20,187 --> 00:19:22,187 Speaker 5: I've been trying to find some sort of job somewhere. 413 00:19:22,747 --> 00:19:25,587 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. It would have been a tough one. 414 00:19:26,587 --> 00:19:28,667 Speaker 4: There's so many ways we could look at it. I 415 00:19:28,707 --> 00:19:31,347 Speaker 4: don't know what have happened If I signed a county contract, 416 00:19:31,507 --> 00:19:34,867 Speaker 4: you know for two years, it would have been a considerb. 417 00:19:34,787 --> 00:19:35,667 Speaker 5: More amount of money. 418 00:19:36,107 --> 00:19:37,467 Speaker 4: You know, if I would have just finished as a 419 00:19:37,507 --> 00:19:40,387 Speaker 4: county cricket player or just you know, it might have 420 00:19:40,507 --> 00:19:42,787 Speaker 4: gone a different route and not play cricket as long 421 00:19:42,827 --> 00:19:46,427 Speaker 4: as I have or achieve what I have. But yeah, 422 00:19:47,467 --> 00:19:51,387 Speaker 4: no way, do I ever had any thoughts of looking back, 423 00:19:51,467 --> 00:19:52,627 Speaker 4: going what for what? 424 00:19:52,747 --> 00:19:52,907 Speaker 6: How? 425 00:19:53,067 --> 00:19:55,107 Speaker 4: It's just, you know, jumped at the opportunity, jumped on 426 00:19:55,147 --> 00:19:57,907 Speaker 4: that plane, and I sort of never looked back ever since. 427 00:19:59,187 --> 00:20:01,307 Speaker 2: We recently did a poll on the air we put 428 00:20:01,347 --> 00:20:03,787 Speaker 2: together a list of New Zealand sports people who should 429 00:20:03,787 --> 00:20:06,747 Speaker 2: never ever have to buy a beer again. You got 430 00:20:06,827 --> 00:20:09,667 Speaker 2: heaps of votes. Man, do people buy you beers? They 431 00:20:09,667 --> 00:20:10,107 Speaker 2: surely do. 432 00:20:10,587 --> 00:20:13,747 Speaker 4: May There's been a couple and I really appreciate it. 433 00:20:13,747 --> 00:20:16,267 Speaker 4: It's been pretty kind and pretty generous. There's been a 434 00:20:16,307 --> 00:20:18,187 Speaker 4: couple of times where people have rocked up of a 435 00:20:18,187 --> 00:20:20,387 Speaker 4: beer and it's been you know, you sort of feel 436 00:20:20,387 --> 00:20:24,467 Speaker 4: a little bit embarrassed, but it has been very awesome 437 00:20:24,507 --> 00:20:26,707 Speaker 4: to see how people have got around it and done 438 00:20:26,747 --> 00:20:29,467 Speaker 4: that by no means expected at all. I'd love to 439 00:20:29,467 --> 00:20:31,547 Speaker 4: actually just buy them a beer back, to be honest, 440 00:20:31,587 --> 00:20:34,867 Speaker 4: but yeah, it just shows you the nature and the 441 00:20:34,907 --> 00:20:37,987 Speaker 4: generosity and the kindness of Kiwis and how they get 442 00:20:37,987 --> 00:20:41,627 Speaker 4: amongst things and support sport and people. And it's body 443 00:20:41,667 --> 00:20:42,427 Speaker 4: awesome to see. 444 00:20:43,067 --> 00:20:44,747 Speaker 2: You have a lot of people, a lot of pleasure 445 00:20:44,867 --> 00:20:48,107 Speaker 2: kneel across your career where delighted you accepted the offer 446 00:20:48,147 --> 00:20:50,587 Speaker 2: to come to Otago then obviously qualified to play for 447 00:20:50,627 --> 00:20:53,187 Speaker 2: New Zealand and did it for so long with such 448 00:20:53,587 --> 00:20:56,747 Speaker 2: humility but such exuberance, such success and a part of 449 00:20:56,987 --> 00:21:00,347 Speaker 2: a huge, hugely successful era in New Zealand. Cricket. The 450 00:21:00,347 --> 00:21:02,707 Speaker 2: book is cracking, mate, It's a really good read. I'd 451 00:21:02,987 --> 00:21:06,307 Speaker 2: recommend it to anybody. Congratulations on this and on your career. 452 00:21:06,667 --> 00:21:08,267 Speaker 2: Thanks for taking the time for a chat. Thank you 453 00:21:08,307 --> 00:21:11,267 Speaker 2: so much. Appreciate this. Thanks Matte, Thank you, Neil. Thanks 454 00:21:11,267 --> 00:21:11,787 Speaker 2: for stopping in. 455 00:21:11,787 --> 00:21:11,947 Speaker 7: Mate. 456 00:21:11,987 --> 00:21:16,267 Speaker 2: Neil Wagner. All out the name of the book it is. 457 00:21:16,667 --> 00:21:21,387 Speaker 2: It's a beauty. It's I read a lot of sporting autobiographies, 458 00:21:21,427 --> 00:21:23,187 Speaker 2: and as I said to Wags at the start of 459 00:21:23,187 --> 00:21:24,827 Speaker 2: that chat, you know, often they can just be, oh, 460 00:21:24,827 --> 00:21:26,947 Speaker 2: we played this team and here's what happened. But there's 461 00:21:26,987 --> 00:21:29,187 Speaker 2: a lot more to this one, a lot more to it. 462 00:21:29,907 --> 00:21:32,507 Speaker 2: I would recommend it all out. It's called You've heard 463 00:21:32,507 --> 00:21:35,347 Speaker 2: from Neil Wagner. Any of your favorite Neil Wagner memories 464 00:21:35,387 --> 00:21:38,507 Speaker 2: are welcome. Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We also 465 00:21:38,547 --> 00:21:40,107 Speaker 2: talk just at the end. They're about the list of 466 00:21:40,627 --> 00:21:43,627 Speaker 2: ki we sports people who should never have to buy 467 00:21:43,667 --> 00:21:46,067 Speaker 2: a beer again. We put that list together. We've been 468 00:21:46,107 --> 00:21:47,787 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago. Now I dug it up 469 00:21:47,787 --> 00:21:50,187 Speaker 2: this morning. I'll read it out to you at some 470 00:21:50,227 --> 00:21:52,307 Speaker 2: stage in the next half hour or so. You might 471 00:21:52,387 --> 00:21:55,187 Speaker 2: even want to add to it. Kei Wei sportspeople. I 472 00:21:55,187 --> 00:21:58,907 Speaker 2: think there are sixteen. We came up with sixteen Kiwi 473 00:21:58,987 --> 00:22:01,867 Speaker 2: sports people who should never ever have to buy a 474 00:22:01,907 --> 00:22:06,067 Speaker 2: beer again. While we're talking Test cricket, I also wanted 475 00:22:06,067 --> 00:22:08,507 Speaker 2: to get a gauge from you on the upcoming Test 476 00:22:08,587 --> 00:22:11,707 Speaker 2: series against England, which is rushing up fast two and 477 00:22:11,707 --> 00:22:14,707 Speaker 2: a half weeks away from the first Test at Hagley Oval, 478 00:22:14,747 --> 00:22:16,947 Speaker 2: and how the back aps might approach it selection wise, 479 00:22:17,787 --> 00:22:19,987 Speaker 2: because after a Man of the series efforts in India, 480 00:22:20,027 --> 00:22:24,107 Speaker 2: I reckon it'd be very harsh to drop will Young 481 00:22:25,147 --> 00:22:27,347 Speaker 2: when came Williamson is fit enough to come back, which 482 00:22:27,347 --> 00:22:30,147 Speaker 2: by all accounts he will be for these Test matches. 483 00:22:31,267 --> 00:22:34,107 Speaker 2: And I'll figure out and this is this isn't rocket science. 484 00:22:34,147 --> 00:22:36,267 Speaker 2: Others have come to the same conclusion. There are two 485 00:22:36,307 --> 00:22:39,547 Speaker 2: ways to keep Will Young in the Test team when 486 00:22:39,627 --> 00:22:42,947 Speaker 2: came Williamson returns, I mean because Caine has to play right. 487 00:22:44,507 --> 00:22:46,187 Speaker 2: So there are two ways to keep will Young. And 488 00:22:46,227 --> 00:22:50,227 Speaker 2: the first one is you go with three seemas in 489 00:22:50,307 --> 00:22:55,147 Speaker 2: christ Church, you drop everybody down and go with three seemers. 490 00:22:55,187 --> 00:23:00,147 Speaker 2: So it's Conway, Latham, Williamson, Riven Young, Mitchell, Blundell, Phillips 491 00:23:00,467 --> 00:23:04,507 Speaker 2: and then three seemers, probably Henry Southy O'Rourke. That's the 492 00:23:04,507 --> 00:23:08,267 Speaker 2: first option. Second option you can play Will Young and 493 00:23:08,307 --> 00:23:13,267 Speaker 2: Kin Williams and push everyone down one and drop Glenn Phillips. 494 00:23:13,867 --> 00:23:16,307 Speaker 2: And I can't believe him saying it. You could drop 495 00:23:16,347 --> 00:23:18,347 Speaker 2: Glenn Phillips and go with four seemers. So you'd go 496 00:23:18,427 --> 00:23:22,067 Speaker 2: Conway Lath and Williamson, Revendery Young, Mitchell Blundell and then 497 00:23:22,147 --> 00:23:28,147 Speaker 2: four seemers Henry Southy O'Rourke and one of Jacob Duffy 498 00:23:28,267 --> 00:23:31,987 Speaker 2: or Nathan Smith. Or the third option is you could 499 00:23:32,027 --> 00:23:34,667 Speaker 2: leave Will Young out, which as I say, would be 500 00:23:34,787 --> 00:23:38,947 Speaker 2: very harsh. So then you'd have Conway Laith and Williamson, 501 00:23:39,027 --> 00:23:42,227 Speaker 2: Revendra of Mitchell Blundell, Phillips and your four seemers. I 502 00:23:42,307 --> 00:23:45,467 Speaker 2: have to say I'd go with option two for christ Church. 503 00:23:48,387 --> 00:23:52,147 Speaker 2: Option two. Much as I love Glenn Phillips and what 504 00:23:52,227 --> 00:23:54,747 Speaker 2: he brings to the team, he might be the one 505 00:23:54,787 --> 00:23:57,747 Speaker 2: who drops out for this Test. We need four seemers 506 00:23:57,747 --> 00:24:02,147 Speaker 2: in christ Church to get our twenty wickets, and we 507 00:24:02,187 --> 00:24:04,547 Speaker 2: can get our spinovers from Rich and Ravender if we 508 00:24:04,587 --> 00:24:07,467 Speaker 2: need them. What would you be doing? Oh, eight hundred 509 00:24:07,547 --> 00:24:10,787 Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty nine two ninety two for a text message. 510 00:24:12,387 --> 00:24:14,787 Speaker 2: Let's play selector for a little while, and your memories 511 00:24:14,787 --> 00:24:17,307 Speaker 2: of Neil Wagner are welcome as well. Oh eight hundred 512 00:24:17,547 --> 00:24:20,907 Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty ninety two ninety two if you would 513 00:24:20,907 --> 00:24:23,027 Speaker 2: prefer to send a text twenty nine away from one 514 00:24:23,067 --> 00:24:25,187 Speaker 2: back with your calls after this on Weekend Sport. 515 00:24:25,307 --> 00:24:27,867 Speaker 1: Don't get caught off sign call eight hundred eighty ten 516 00:24:27,907 --> 00:24:32,507 Speaker 1: eighty Weekend Sports with Jason Paine and GJ. Gunnobes, New 517 00:24:32,627 --> 00:24:35,187 Speaker 1: Zealand's most Trusted home Builder News sogs. 518 00:24:35,107 --> 00:24:39,187 Speaker 2: V twelve thirty three. Okay, we need to get rid 519 00:24:39,187 --> 00:24:42,467 Speaker 2: of this idea that is coming through on text that 520 00:24:42,587 --> 00:24:45,147 Speaker 2: we don't have a specialist wicket keeper and Test cricket 521 00:24:45,787 --> 00:24:47,707 Speaker 2: people are saying, oh, it's easy, you just you just 522 00:24:47,827 --> 00:24:52,587 Speaker 2: drop Tom Blundell and Tom Lather or Devin Conway can 523 00:24:52,587 --> 00:24:56,347 Speaker 2: wicket keep. No, no, we're not talking about white ball 524 00:24:56,387 --> 00:24:59,667 Speaker 2: cricket here. It's not hit and giggle where the keeper 525 00:24:59,707 --> 00:25:02,347 Speaker 2: really doesn't touch the ball that much. We're talking about 526 00:25:02,387 --> 00:25:06,347 Speaker 2: Test match cricket where the wicket keeper is infinitely more 527 00:25:06,347 --> 00:25:10,547 Speaker 2: more important. And the two suggestions of Devon Conway and 528 00:25:10,587 --> 00:25:13,387 Speaker 2: Tom Latham just happened to be our opening batsman. So 529 00:25:13,467 --> 00:25:16,307 Speaker 2: what you want them to be out in the field 530 00:25:16,907 --> 00:25:19,867 Speaker 2: in in the wicket keeping role for what could be 531 00:25:19,987 --> 00:25:23,347 Speaker 2: a day or more and then straight away have to 532 00:25:23,387 --> 00:25:30,067 Speaker 2: go in and open the batting. No, no specialist wicket keeper. 533 00:25:30,267 --> 00:25:33,987 Speaker 2: And look, I know they're going to do it. 534 00:25:34,027 --> 00:25:34,147 Speaker 8: That. 535 00:25:34,187 --> 00:25:36,907 Speaker 2: There's no way in the world the black Caps will 536 00:25:36,947 --> 00:25:40,827 Speaker 2: go into a Test match against England without a specialist 537 00:25:41,147 --> 00:25:47,227 Speaker 2: wicket keeper. Ain't going to happen. Hello, Chris, you goin. 538 00:25:47,467 --> 00:25:49,227 Speaker 9: Look, I agree with you, but I'll tell you something. 539 00:25:49,987 --> 00:25:52,787 Speaker 9: These days, the wicket keeper's got to score a Test 540 00:25:52,787 --> 00:25:54,947 Speaker 9: work keeps going to score runs. Blundell sort of runs 541 00:25:54,987 --> 00:25:56,587 Speaker 9: I would put him. I'd put him down to seven 542 00:25:56,627 --> 00:25:58,027 Speaker 9: and bring Phillips up to six. 543 00:25:59,947 --> 00:26:05,267 Speaker 2: Yep, I'd that. I'd be that. I but the thought 544 00:26:05,347 --> 00:26:08,067 Speaker 2: of not having Look, even if it's not even if 545 00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:10,067 Speaker 2: it's not Blundle, even if you decide, okay, we're going 546 00:26:10,107 --> 00:26:11,667 Speaker 2: to try a different keeper, I don't know, Mitch Hay 547 00:26:12,067 --> 00:26:14,387 Speaker 2: or someone like that, it still has to be a 548 00:26:14,427 --> 00:26:16,507 Speaker 2: special scope. You're right, though, Chris, You've got to be 549 00:26:16,547 --> 00:26:18,027 Speaker 2: good at two of the three things, right, You've got 550 00:26:18,027 --> 00:26:19,947 Speaker 2: to be good at two of the three disciplines, and 551 00:26:20,027 --> 00:26:22,787 Speaker 2: because Tom Blundele can't bowl, he's obviously got to be 552 00:26:22,827 --> 00:26:24,907 Speaker 2: good with the bat as well. And as we know, 553 00:26:24,947 --> 00:26:28,187 Speaker 2: he is a very very fine batsman. But yeah, maybe 554 00:26:28,227 --> 00:26:29,787 Speaker 2: a bit short runs. I think they'll stick with him 555 00:26:29,787 --> 00:26:30,627 Speaker 2: for these Tests anyway. 556 00:26:31,107 --> 00:26:31,707 Speaker 4: Oh, I don't know. 557 00:26:31,987 --> 00:26:34,227 Speaker 9: I'm not suggesting. I'm not suggesting that at all. And 558 00:26:34,587 --> 00:26:36,587 Speaker 9: I think he's keeping generally is very very good. The 559 00:26:36,667 --> 00:26:39,707 Speaker 9: other thing is ration Ravenda had got out of there 560 00:26:39,907 --> 00:26:43,187 Speaker 9: that the rationals, which which young guys do. But I'll 561 00:26:43,187 --> 00:26:45,587 Speaker 9: tell you what he's got to be. I hope he 562 00:26:45,667 --> 00:26:47,667 Speaker 9: was told after that shot he played in the third 563 00:26:47,667 --> 00:26:49,947 Speaker 9: Test and the second innings, I mean that may have 564 00:26:50,427 --> 00:26:52,867 Speaker 9: may have gone towards costing. It's the tests. He needs 565 00:26:52,867 --> 00:26:54,947 Speaker 9: to cut that out, don't he after But he plays 566 00:26:54,987 --> 00:26:59,427 Speaker 9: one four ball, woman goes down the wicket today. 567 00:26:58,067 --> 00:27:01,827 Speaker 2: Ja, Yeah, I can't remember. The incident was that in 568 00:27:01,867 --> 00:27:04,227 Speaker 2: the third Test. No second to the. 569 00:27:04,187 --> 00:27:07,267 Speaker 9: Third Test and second innings we're on we're on shaky ground, 570 00:27:07,347 --> 00:27:10,547 Speaker 9: you know, we were behind. He came out, we were 571 00:27:10,987 --> 00:27:15,627 Speaker 9: effectively only we were knocked off the deficit, so we're 572 00:27:15,627 --> 00:27:19,227 Speaker 9: effectively two for twelve. He comes out and hits a 573 00:27:19,347 --> 00:27:21,427 Speaker 9: four then goes down the wicket for a massive slog. 574 00:27:21,467 --> 00:27:24,907 Speaker 9: On the second body faces and pants stumps him. 575 00:27:26,307 --> 00:27:28,467 Speaker 2: I do remember it now, Chris, Yeah, I do remember 576 00:27:28,467 --> 00:27:32,267 Speaker 2: it now. Look, I feel like Rutchian Revender has got 577 00:27:32,347 --> 00:27:34,627 Speaker 2: quite a bit of credit in the bank still learning, 578 00:27:34,667 --> 00:27:37,947 Speaker 2: is think in many ways, although he's fairly proficient already. 579 00:27:38,907 --> 00:27:39,147 Speaker 5: Yeah. 580 00:27:39,147 --> 00:27:42,907 Speaker 2: Look, I think, particularly given the aging nature of our side, 581 00:27:43,187 --> 00:27:45,427 Speaker 2: Rutchian Revender is a fixture in there. I'm sure you're 582 00:27:45,547 --> 00:27:48,227 Speaker 2: not suggesting that we drop him as a fixture in 583 00:27:48,267 --> 00:27:49,827 Speaker 2: there for a decade or more. He can play cricket 584 00:27:49,827 --> 00:27:52,107 Speaker 2: for New Zealand as long as he likes, in any format. 585 00:27:52,427 --> 00:27:54,707 Speaker 2: As far as I'm concerned, we're all being up captaining 586 00:27:54,707 --> 00:27:57,707 Speaker 2: the side. Thanks Chris, appreciate it. Rich High mates, still 587 00:27:58,027 --> 00:28:00,747 Speaker 2: luxuriating in the Test series, went over India. 588 00:28:01,987 --> 00:28:04,467 Speaker 10: Yeah, still sligning high Piney. 589 00:28:05,467 --> 00:28:05,627 Speaker 6: Yeah. 590 00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:08,387 Speaker 10: It was just just incredible way it's just kind of 591 00:28:08,427 --> 00:28:11,987 Speaker 10: like someone pinched me to see this is true. It's 592 00:28:12,027 --> 00:28:14,587 Speaker 10: just oh man, it's still just crazy. 593 00:28:14,707 --> 00:28:16,347 Speaker 11: How that how that serious played there? 594 00:28:16,387 --> 00:28:16,467 Speaker 9: They? 595 00:28:17,467 --> 00:28:20,747 Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And and the more I watched it, the 596 00:28:20,787 --> 00:28:24,067 Speaker 2: more incredulous I became. But what was playing out? You know? 597 00:28:24,787 --> 00:28:26,667 Speaker 2: You know, I went over there for starters, which was 598 00:28:26,707 --> 00:28:29,227 Speaker 2: only the third one in goodness only knows how many years. 599 00:28:29,427 --> 00:28:32,147 Speaker 2: Then a series win, then a three nil sweep. It 600 00:28:32,187 --> 00:28:34,587 Speaker 2: just it just kept on, you know, it just kept 601 00:28:35,027 --> 00:28:38,627 Speaker 2: on becoming more and more incredible the longer the serious win. 602 00:28:38,707 --> 00:28:40,387 Speaker 2: And someone pointed this out as one might have even 603 00:28:40,387 --> 00:28:42,267 Speaker 2: been you, I only took eight and a half days 604 00:28:42,267 --> 00:28:44,347 Speaker 2: of Test cricket for us to win three nils. 605 00:28:45,027 --> 00:28:48,587 Speaker 10: I know, yeah, you go from Shalika to there. 606 00:28:48,747 --> 00:28:50,907 Speaker 11: It's just like if I had my. 607 00:28:50,867 --> 00:28:52,467 Speaker 10: Time again, I probably would have put money on the 608 00:28:52,547 --> 00:28:53,627 Speaker 10: tapa and have a. 609 00:28:53,587 --> 00:28:55,707 Speaker 8: Few few Shouder dollars in my wallet, you know. 610 00:28:56,667 --> 00:28:59,747 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Hey what would you be doing? What would 611 00:28:59,747 --> 00:29:02,107 Speaker 2: you be doing team wise in christ Juche against England? 612 00:29:03,907 --> 00:29:07,507 Speaker 10: Yeah, I think to me quite is that you can't 613 00:29:07,587 --> 00:29:08,547 Speaker 10: drop a little young. 614 00:29:08,867 --> 00:29:11,787 Speaker 11: But I also kind of wonder that going forward. 615 00:29:11,867 --> 00:29:13,467 Speaker 10: You know, I've talked about this with your on air 616 00:29:13,547 --> 00:29:16,707 Speaker 10: that with as much as i'd like four seemas in 617 00:29:16,787 --> 00:29:19,827 Speaker 10: our side, I'm kind of I'm over the whole one 618 00:29:19,867 --> 00:29:23,067 Speaker 10: dimensional side. So like when I look at our teamless, 619 00:29:23,067 --> 00:29:25,667 Speaker 10: so I probably have you know you coldwell, you're Latham, 620 00:29:26,307 --> 00:29:31,427 Speaker 10: You're Williamson Young, you know Mitchell Revenger of Phillips, Blundell, 621 00:29:32,027 --> 00:29:34,067 Speaker 10: and then you've got your three seems Is and you 622 00:29:34,107 --> 00:29:38,347 Speaker 10: know Phillips, and then you've got Henry O'Rourke and Soudi. 623 00:29:39,307 --> 00:29:40,587 Speaker 8: And that's my only reason. 624 00:29:40,627 --> 00:29:42,667 Speaker 10: It's just that I just want a bit of difference 625 00:29:42,747 --> 00:29:45,067 Speaker 10: when it comes to a bowling, rather than thinking, okay, 626 00:29:45,147 --> 00:29:48,067 Speaker 10: let's go with those four seamers like you do it. I mean, 627 00:29:48,427 --> 00:29:50,547 Speaker 10: if they do do that, then it's an opportunity for 628 00:29:50,627 --> 00:29:54,507 Speaker 10: someone like Sears or Duffy. But I think you know, 629 00:29:54,587 --> 00:29:56,667 Speaker 10: with what Phillips provides and that order. 630 00:29:57,947 --> 00:29:58,707 Speaker 8: I mean, there's a lot. 631 00:29:58,627 --> 00:30:02,027 Speaker 10: Of talk about laythan you know, or someone carrying the gloves, 632 00:30:02,067 --> 00:30:04,147 Speaker 10: but you can't have someone open in the bat and 633 00:30:04,227 --> 00:30:05,267 Speaker 10: being captain and. 634 00:30:05,187 --> 00:30:06,867 Speaker 8: Then being the I could keep it. 635 00:30:06,947 --> 00:30:08,507 Speaker 11: It's too much for a captain to do that. 636 00:30:09,427 --> 00:30:09,627 Speaker 8: Well. 637 00:30:09,707 --> 00:30:15,427 Speaker 2: I agree, Rich, I totally agree. I'm if Tom Latham 638 00:30:15,587 --> 00:30:18,067 Speaker 2: and Devin Conway never keep wicked and Test cricket, I'm happy. 639 00:30:18,347 --> 00:30:21,027 Speaker 2: You know, there's even been the suggestion Glenn Phillips keeps 640 00:30:21,027 --> 00:30:22,907 Speaker 2: wicket well. I remember speaking to him a year ago 641 00:30:22,947 --> 00:30:24,707 Speaker 2: and he said, I never ever want to wear the 642 00:30:24,707 --> 00:30:26,667 Speaker 2: wicket keeping gloves again in any form of the game. 643 00:30:26,987 --> 00:30:29,587 Speaker 2: So I mean, I guess if it was up, I 644 00:30:29,587 --> 00:30:31,107 Speaker 2: guess if that was the early under the team, he'd 645 00:30:31,147 --> 00:30:34,107 Speaker 2: probably say okay. But to me in Test cricket, it's 646 00:30:34,107 --> 00:30:36,987 Speaker 2: a special as wicket keeper at the moment at Blundle 647 00:30:37,267 --> 00:30:39,747 Speaker 2: and you make room around him. I think Ben's heres 648 00:30:39,787 --> 00:30:42,067 Speaker 2: might be injured at the moment mate too, so it'll 649 00:30:42,107 --> 00:30:44,907 Speaker 2: be dougher or maybe even maybe even a Test dabooth 650 00:30:44,907 --> 00:30:46,467 Speaker 2: for Nathan Smith, who I've always had a lot of 651 00:30:46,467 --> 00:30:49,587 Speaker 2: time for. But that's probably because he's a welling Tonian 652 00:30:49,707 --> 00:30:49,907 Speaker 2: like me. 653 00:30:52,587 --> 00:30:57,427 Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly a near web of playing a phenomenal career. 654 00:30:57,907 --> 00:30:59,947 Speaker 11: I mean, I think when we look about with the 655 00:31:00,107 --> 00:31:01,427 Speaker 11: wagon is that you. 656 00:31:01,467 --> 00:31:05,427 Speaker 10: Know, unfortunately tough conversation said to be handed with age 657 00:31:05,507 --> 00:31:08,027 Speaker 10: and stuff that now we do have an aging bowling 658 00:31:08,107 --> 00:31:10,987 Speaker 10: side that you know, it's the same situation with Jimmy Anderson. 659 00:31:11,107 --> 00:31:13,067 Speaker 10: You know he had to be told. 660 00:31:12,827 --> 00:31:14,067 Speaker 11: That it was time to retire. 661 00:31:14,147 --> 00:31:17,907 Speaker 10: But you know, people talk a lot about that last 662 00:31:17,907 --> 00:31:22,267 Speaker 10: wickets at Wellington and that it was kind of funny 663 00:31:22,267 --> 00:31:24,627 Speaker 10: because yesterday that was the way I got out down 664 00:31:24,667 --> 00:31:26,387 Speaker 10: the league side and we and our seem lost by 665 00:31:26,467 --> 00:31:27,627 Speaker 10: foul runs, which was the. 666 00:31:30,907 --> 00:31:32,747 Speaker 11: Down the league side. So it was a good movie 667 00:31:32,867 --> 00:31:34,347 Speaker 11: to think about it on Jesus. 668 00:31:34,387 --> 00:31:37,147 Speaker 10: But but yeah, I think when you go look, one 669 00:31:37,147 --> 00:31:38,787 Speaker 10: thing I really loved about when it was just a 670 00:31:38,827 --> 00:31:41,867 Speaker 10: manner overs and especially in that twenty nineteen twenty twenty 671 00:31:42,267 --> 00:31:43,427 Speaker 10: Ossie series. 672 00:31:43,187 --> 00:31:48,387 Speaker 11: Like yeah we had you know, yeah what. 673 00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:52,827 Speaker 10: Fucking Ferguson breakdown and that perfect yeah and in that 674 00:31:52,947 --> 00:31:56,147 Speaker 10: perf he just bowled so many overs in that battle 675 00:31:56,187 --> 00:31:58,547 Speaker 10: between him and Matthew Wade. I think that was a 676 00:31:58,547 --> 00:32:01,387 Speaker 10: pretty good a good memory for him as well and 677 00:32:01,427 --> 00:32:04,267 Speaker 10: for me it is just the manner overse he bowled 678 00:32:04,267 --> 00:32:06,227 Speaker 10: and that kind of in that kind of heat pointing. 679 00:32:07,347 --> 00:32:09,827 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think in a thanks Rich in a series 680 00:32:09,867 --> 00:32:12,787 Speaker 2: in that series where very few New Zealand players emerged 681 00:32:12,787 --> 00:32:15,147 Speaker 2: with any credit, that's the Three Test series over in 682 00:32:15,147 --> 00:32:18,907 Speaker 2: Australia back end of twenty nineteen into twenty twenty, very 683 00:32:18,907 --> 00:32:22,067 Speaker 2: few emerged with credit. He was one. He was definitely one. 684 00:32:22,187 --> 00:32:26,107 Speaker 2: Good to chat Rich. Thanks mate. Someone says Gilchrist is 685 00:32:26,107 --> 00:32:28,107 Speaker 2: one of Australia's greatest ever openers. Yes he is, but 686 00:32:28,187 --> 00:32:32,027 Speaker 2: never opened the batting in Test cricket. An absolutely superb 687 00:32:32,067 --> 00:32:35,067 Speaker 2: one day opener, but never opened the batting. Adam Gilchrist 688 00:32:35,467 --> 00:32:39,787 Speaker 2: in Test cricket. So again, Yeah, like I said, I 689 00:32:39,787 --> 00:32:42,747 Speaker 2: think I've made my point, my opinion fairly clear, and 690 00:32:42,867 --> 00:32:45,587 Speaker 2: I really don't think they'll do it. When was the 691 00:32:45,667 --> 00:32:48,267 Speaker 2: last time in New Zealand wickekeeper opened the batting in 692 00:32:48,307 --> 00:32:53,147 Speaker 2: Test cricket? You know, regularly eighteen away from one back? 693 00:32:53,147 --> 00:32:54,307 Speaker 2: With more of your calls after this. 694 00:32:55,227 --> 00:32:58,787 Speaker 1: The Voice of Sport on your home of Sport Weekend 695 00:32:58,867 --> 00:33:02,907 Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vyne and GJ. Gunners, New Zealand's most 696 00:33:02,947 --> 00:33:04,787 Speaker 1: trusted ome Builder News Talks be. 697 00:33:06,427 --> 00:33:09,227 Speaker 2: Forty five talking Test cricket and team selection. Thanks for 698 00:33:09,227 --> 00:33:10,347 Speaker 2: holding Rob, good afternoon. 699 00:33:11,507 --> 00:33:12,947 Speaker 11: Yeah, thanks Piney. 700 00:33:12,987 --> 00:33:15,387 Speaker 12: Hey, I'm going to slice and dice it another way 701 00:33:15,467 --> 00:33:17,987 Speaker 12: for you. I totally agree with you about the keeper, 702 00:33:19,467 --> 00:33:22,547 Speaker 12: but I wouldn't drop Phillips one. He's probably the best 703 00:33:22,547 --> 00:33:27,307 Speaker 12: fielder in the team, the enthusiasm that he brings, and 704 00:33:27,387 --> 00:33:29,947 Speaker 12: he rips the ball more than anyone as a spinner. 705 00:33:30,067 --> 00:33:34,787 Speaker 12: So I'm going i'd slice and dice it a different way. 706 00:33:33,547 --> 00:33:38,267 Speaker 12: I would drop Conway so you can play your four seemers. 707 00:33:38,867 --> 00:33:42,507 Speaker 12: Conway is a manufactured opener. He's actually a stroke player. 708 00:33:42,547 --> 00:33:45,947 Speaker 12: He's a beautiful stroke player and really should come in 709 00:33:46,027 --> 00:33:49,787 Speaker 12: at five. But you can't leave Young out because he's 710 00:33:49,787 --> 00:33:52,787 Speaker 12: probably got the best defense in the team after Williamson. 711 00:33:53,027 --> 00:33:55,707 Speaker 12: So and England's going to have a lot of seamers 712 00:33:56,547 --> 00:34:01,107 Speaker 12: and very good seemers. I've always thought that Conway should 713 00:34:01,147 --> 00:34:04,627 Speaker 12: be coming in like four or five. He's been put 714 00:34:04,667 --> 00:34:08,147 Speaker 12: into a manufactured openers position. But if you have a 715 00:34:08,187 --> 00:34:12,667 Speaker 12: look at what's happened in India, Young's actually pretty much 716 00:34:12,747 --> 00:34:16,587 Speaker 12: played an opener anyway, and because of his technique he's 717 00:34:16,627 --> 00:34:17,107 Speaker 12: got through. 718 00:34:18,827 --> 00:34:21,627 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we gave Will Young was a wi 719 00:34:22,227 --> 00:34:24,027 Speaker 2: We saw Will Young open the batting, didn't we? And 720 00:34:25,227 --> 00:34:27,187 Speaker 2: Rob I saw some stats the other day, and of 721 00:34:27,227 --> 00:34:30,067 Speaker 2: course you can prove anything with stats that he averages 722 00:34:30,147 --> 00:34:34,467 Speaker 2: twenty two opening the batting for New Zealand and late thirties, 723 00:34:34,507 --> 00:34:38,187 Speaker 2: early forties further down, Yeah, a tough one. Devin Conway, 724 00:34:38,187 --> 00:34:39,547 Speaker 2: he had a pretty good series in and they've got 725 00:34:39,547 --> 00:34:40,307 Speaker 2: a couple of fifties. 726 00:34:41,347 --> 00:34:46,147 Speaker 12: But look how quickly Young came in, either for Lathan 727 00:34:46,507 --> 00:34:50,547 Speaker 12: or for Conway in India. Look how quickly Young came 728 00:34:50,707 --> 00:34:54,467 Speaker 12: in to basically an opening position, and look what he did. 729 00:34:57,307 --> 00:34:59,347 Speaker 2: Yeah, look it's an interesting I'm just going to bring 730 00:34:59,427 --> 00:35:01,787 Speaker 2: up the I'm going to bring up these test matches 731 00:35:01,827 --> 00:35:04,187 Speaker 2: and we can we can fact check it. 732 00:35:04,307 --> 00:35:04,587 Speaker 7: Rober. 733 00:35:04,787 --> 00:35:07,827 Speaker 2: Look, I remember, I think, yeah, I know I will 734 00:35:07,827 --> 00:35:10,027 Speaker 2: factchuck it and and often I mean, that's the that's 735 00:35:10,067 --> 00:35:13,387 Speaker 2: the that's the great peril of being a number three, 736 00:35:13,427 --> 00:35:16,347 Speaker 2: isn't it. You could you governor the first over, or 737 00:35:16,347 --> 00:35:18,067 Speaker 2: you can sit there of an opening partnership builds and 738 00:35:18,067 --> 00:35:20,227 Speaker 2: wait for a session or two to get in. But now, 739 00:35:20,387 --> 00:35:22,787 Speaker 2: I look, I don't think anything should be off the table. 740 00:35:22,827 --> 00:35:27,347 Speaker 2: I feel like Devin Conway should stay. That's my personal view. 741 00:35:27,347 --> 00:35:28,907 Speaker 2: I feel like he should stay. I take your point 742 00:35:28,907 --> 00:35:31,427 Speaker 2: about where about him being a manufactured opener. I think, yeah, 743 00:35:31,467 --> 00:35:33,067 Speaker 2: when he first arrived here, he was batting at three 744 00:35:33,107 --> 00:35:35,027 Speaker 2: or four, wasn't he for Wellington most of most of 745 00:35:35,067 --> 00:35:35,427 Speaker 2: the time. 746 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:37,987 Speaker 11: He's a beautiful straight player. 747 00:35:38,027 --> 00:35:41,547 Speaker 12: He really is a straight player, but he is He's 748 00:35:41,587 --> 00:35:45,787 Speaker 12: been pushed into a manufactured opener. But Young's technique means 749 00:35:45,827 --> 00:35:48,467 Speaker 12: he has to be there and just just check whether 750 00:35:48,907 --> 00:35:51,907 Speaker 12: he came in for Blund or for Conway, and how 751 00:35:52,347 --> 00:35:56,227 Speaker 12: quickly he came in, how quickly we lost wickets, and 752 00:35:56,267 --> 00:35:59,867 Speaker 12: that and that and the tests and and then the 753 00:36:00,107 --> 00:36:01,027 Speaker 12: where Young came in. 754 00:36:02,227 --> 00:36:04,347 Speaker 2: Well, thanks Rob, I appreciate it very much and I'm 755 00:36:04,427 --> 00:36:06,987 Speaker 2: like you, mate, I don't want to drop Philipside, but 756 00:36:07,067 --> 00:36:10,147 Speaker 2: I can't find another way of having young in there, 757 00:36:11,267 --> 00:36:13,587 Speaker 2: apart from obviously some of the things that you're suggesting, 758 00:36:13,587 --> 00:36:16,107 Speaker 2: and others have as well. I don't want to drop 759 00:36:16,147 --> 00:36:21,467 Speaker 2: Glenn Phillips either, but I look at the spin the 760 00:36:21,507 --> 00:36:24,627 Speaker 2: spin success we've had in christ Church, and I'm sure 761 00:36:24,627 --> 00:36:27,907 Speaker 2: you know this too. Very few wickets i think six 762 00:36:27,987 --> 00:36:31,267 Speaker 2: and ten years in christ taken by New Zealand spinners. Now, 763 00:36:31,267 --> 00:36:32,827 Speaker 2: of course you could say that's because we don't play 764 00:36:32,827 --> 00:36:34,827 Speaker 2: them down there, and maybe if we're getting the crack 765 00:36:34,867 --> 00:36:38,147 Speaker 2: it might be different. Good to chat, Rob, Always always 766 00:36:38,227 --> 00:36:39,907 Speaker 2: enjoy your point of view. 767 00:36:39,907 --> 00:36:40,107 Speaker 5: Mate. 768 00:36:40,107 --> 00:36:43,267 Speaker 2: Thanks for calling in and Hi Hi Jason. 769 00:36:43,747 --> 00:36:47,147 Speaker 6: Yeah, thank you for putting those options in front of us. 770 00:36:47,227 --> 00:36:49,587 Speaker 6: That was very good because I was I must have 771 00:36:49,627 --> 00:36:53,987 Speaker 6: met us at the point of thinking about dropping Blundle. 772 00:36:54,067 --> 00:36:56,547 Speaker 6: But you've put a little of reason into that and 773 00:36:57,547 --> 00:37:02,267 Speaker 6: I'm with you on that now. But I guess caller 774 00:37:02,347 --> 00:37:06,387 Speaker 6: one or two callers ago said he's over there. You 775 00:37:06,427 --> 00:37:09,427 Speaker 6: know that having non variety, a lack of variety in 776 00:37:09,467 --> 00:37:14,907 Speaker 6: the bowling attack and even though even though Hagley Oval 777 00:37:15,627 --> 00:37:19,987 Speaker 6: and there are other pictures are not that spin friendly. 778 00:37:20,267 --> 00:37:25,267 Speaker 6: I think just for variety and Glenn Phillips, the player 779 00:37:25,267 --> 00:37:27,787 Speaker 6: that he is, he'll probably he'll probably squeeze a wicked 780 00:37:27,907 --> 00:37:30,187 Speaker 6: or two out of that, because that's the sort of 781 00:37:30,307 --> 00:37:34,347 Speaker 6: guy he is. And I'd go three three pace bowlers 782 00:37:34,427 --> 00:37:39,987 Speaker 6: and one and spit Phillips as the spinner and push 783 00:37:40,147 --> 00:37:43,467 Speaker 6: Phillips ahead of Blunder. Blunder might find himself batting number eight. 784 00:37:44,547 --> 00:37:48,347 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, and they may well do that, you know, 785 00:37:48,387 --> 00:37:52,027 Speaker 2: they may well say, Okay, if we can't get we 786 00:37:52,067 --> 00:37:54,147 Speaker 2: can't get our twenty wickets with three seems and the 787 00:37:54,187 --> 00:37:56,587 Speaker 2: spin of Phillips and maybe Revender, then are we really 788 00:37:56,627 --> 00:38:00,147 Speaker 2: going to get our twenty wickets with four seemers? You know, 789 00:38:00,187 --> 00:38:04,067 Speaker 2: it's it's I think Glenn Phillips has almost redefined how 790 00:38:04,147 --> 00:38:10,827 Speaker 2: our Test side constructed because his trajectory as a spin 791 00:38:10,907 --> 00:38:14,587 Speaker 2: bowler and as an effective wicket taking spin bowler who 792 00:38:14,587 --> 00:38:17,707 Speaker 2: can also bat and is absolutely dynamic in the field, 793 00:38:18,227 --> 00:38:21,587 Speaker 2: almost leaves him, you know, as indispensable to the Test 794 00:38:21,587 --> 00:38:24,427 Speaker 2: team now, even though I'm suggesting they might drop him. 795 00:38:25,347 --> 00:38:28,667 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And it's a pretty feel for Michael Bracewall, 796 00:38:28,707 --> 00:38:31,347 Speaker 6: because if he hadn't got injured, we'd probably be saying 797 00:38:31,387 --> 00:38:32,907 Speaker 6: that about him. 798 00:38:33,267 --> 00:38:35,507 Speaker 2: I think you're probably right an good to chat mate. Thanks, 799 00:38:35,867 --> 00:38:37,987 Speaker 2: thanks for your point of view. I appreciate it very much. 800 00:38:38,027 --> 00:38:39,227 Speaker 2: Just before we go to the break, I'll just have 801 00:38:39,267 --> 00:38:42,987 Speaker 2: a look at the Rob asked for me to check 802 00:38:43,027 --> 00:38:46,387 Speaker 2: the scores in India, which I now have in front 803 00:38:46,387 --> 00:38:49,987 Speaker 2: of me. So in the first Test in Bengilarue, and 804 00:38:50,027 --> 00:38:53,347 Speaker 2: you take it from obviously the lowest scoring opener, yeah, 805 00:38:53,387 --> 00:38:55,587 Speaker 2: Lathan was out for fifteen in the first innings and 806 00:38:56,227 --> 00:38:58,627 Speaker 2: Norton the second, so clearly Young was in early there. 807 00:38:59,347 --> 00:39:02,027 Speaker 2: And the second Test in Poune, Lathan was out for 808 00:39:02,067 --> 00:39:05,587 Speaker 2: fifteen in the first innings, Conway for seventeen in the 809 00:39:05,627 --> 00:39:09,307 Speaker 2: second innings, again early ish, and then in the third Test, 810 00:39:09,347 --> 00:39:11,387 Speaker 2: Conway out for four in the first innings, Laith them 811 00:39:11,387 --> 00:39:13,707 Speaker 2: out for one and the second. So Rob, your logic 812 00:39:13,747 --> 00:39:17,227 Speaker 2: stacks up, mate, it does. Will Young was in reasonably 813 00:39:17,267 --> 00:39:20,667 Speaker 2: early in all six innings. I still don't think open 814 00:39:20,747 --> 00:39:24,227 Speaker 2: it is his best position. I don't think it's his 815 00:39:24,347 --> 00:39:27,307 Speaker 2: preferred position. But if you asked Will Young, do you 816 00:39:27,347 --> 00:39:29,907 Speaker 2: want to play test matches? But you'll need to open 817 00:39:29,947 --> 00:39:32,027 Speaker 2: the batting. Then I think it's say yes, of course 818 00:39:32,027 --> 00:39:37,387 Speaker 2: he would. It has been tried unsuccessfully. Really he got, 819 00:39:37,587 --> 00:39:39,307 Speaker 2: you know, got a couple of fifties. I think opening 820 00:39:39,307 --> 00:39:43,307 Speaker 2: in the batting. It's an interesting conundrum for Tom Latham, 821 00:39:43,507 --> 00:39:45,867 Speaker 2: Gary Stead and the others when they get to christ 822 00:39:45,907 --> 00:39:47,667 Speaker 2: Church ate away from One News stalks EB. 823 00:39:48,347 --> 00:39:50,627 Speaker 1: When it's down to the line. You made a call 824 00:39:50,787 --> 00:39:55,947 Speaker 1: on eight Weekend Sports with Jason Hine us Talks. 825 00:39:55,867 --> 00:39:59,307 Speaker 2: B five to one News TALKB. I said, read out 826 00:39:59,347 --> 00:40:01,027 Speaker 2: the list that we came up with of the Kiwi 827 00:40:01,027 --> 00:40:03,187 Speaker 2: sports people who should never buy a beer again, or 828 00:40:03,227 --> 00:40:05,307 Speaker 2: a drink again, whatever it is that they're after. Okay, 829 00:40:05,307 --> 00:40:07,347 Speaker 2: here's the list we came up with a couple of 830 00:40:07,427 --> 00:40:13,147 Speaker 2: years ago. Neil Wagner, Richie McCaw Dame Valerie Adams, Hamish 831 00:40:13,147 --> 00:40:19,387 Speaker 2: Bond and Eric Murray, Ross Taylor mcavacona, Dame Lisa Carrington, 832 00:40:19,867 --> 00:40:26,227 Speaker 2: Grant Elliott, Joannah nan Wu, Paul Cole, Dame Susan Devoy, 833 00:40:26,627 --> 00:40:31,787 Speaker 2: Sir Buck Shelford, Mark Graham, Barbara Kendall and Brendan McCallum. 834 00:40:32,747 --> 00:40:36,547 Speaker 2: That is a by no means definitive list of the 835 00:40:36,627 --> 00:40:39,347 Speaker 2: Kiwi sports people who should never have to buy a 836 00:40:39,427 --> 00:40:43,427 Speaker 2: drink again. If you see them out and about in 837 00:40:43,467 --> 00:40:46,707 Speaker 2: a bar or cafe or somewhere where you perhaps buy 838 00:40:46,747 --> 00:40:51,347 Speaker 2: them a drink, you should Well it's entirely over to you, 839 00:40:51,427 --> 00:40:53,827 Speaker 2: of course. But that's the list we came up with, 840 00:40:53,867 --> 00:40:56,067 Speaker 2: and I'm sure there are more to add. Mike says, 841 00:40:56,067 --> 00:40:58,947 Speaker 2: Blundell open the batting against austraight at the mcg and 842 00:40:59,187 --> 00:41:01,507 Speaker 2: got one of the best hundreds you'll ever see. Yeah 843 00:41:01,507 --> 00:41:03,307 Speaker 2: he did, Mike, but he wasn't keeping wicket that day 844 00:41:03,427 --> 00:41:05,427 Speaker 2: or in that Test. BJ Watling was the keeper. Then 845 00:41:06,387 --> 00:41:08,267 Speaker 2: take your point. He can open the batting, could open 846 00:41:08,307 --> 00:41:11,547 Speaker 2: the batting. But again, the idea of a wicket keeper 847 00:41:11,707 --> 00:41:13,987 Speaker 2: opening the batting and Test cricket, that just doesn't sit 848 00:41:14,027 --> 00:41:16,707 Speaker 2: well with me. I just think they chelse on their plate, 849 00:41:16,787 --> 00:41:19,907 Speaker 2: particularly if they've had a long day and a half 850 00:41:19,907 --> 00:41:21,547 Speaker 2: in the field, then have to come off and go 851 00:41:21,587 --> 00:41:23,067 Speaker 2: straight back out there and open the batting. It just 852 00:41:23,067 --> 00:41:26,227 Speaker 2: doesn't feel right to me. Good chack, folks, thanks for 853 00:41:26,467 --> 00:41:30,227 Speaker 2: joining the conversation. After the one o'clock news, a second 854 00:41:30,427 --> 00:41:33,627 Speaker 2: NRL franchise in New Zealand. Could it happened. 855 00:41:34,947 --> 00:41:37,827 Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on 856 00:41:38,227 --> 00:41:42,147 Speaker 1: and after field. It's all on weekends forward with Jason 857 00:41:42,227 --> 00:41:44,707 Speaker 1: Vaide on your home of Sport. 858 00:41:48,307 --> 00:41:48,907 Speaker 11: On seven. 859 00:41:48,947 --> 00:41:50,827 Speaker 2: Thanks for spending some time with us just a weekend 860 00:41:50,867 --> 00:41:52,907 Speaker 2: sport on news Talk, said me. I'm Jason Pine Andy 861 00:41:52,987 --> 00:41:56,067 Speaker 2: McDonald here too, and we are with you until three 862 00:41:56,147 --> 00:42:00,067 Speaker 2: o'clock this afternoon. In just a second. The question of 863 00:42:00,107 --> 00:42:04,467 Speaker 2: a second NROL franchise for New Zealand has been in 864 00:42:04,507 --> 00:42:07,747 Speaker 2: the spotlight again this week. Want to drill down into 865 00:42:07,747 --> 00:42:10,387 Speaker 2: that before we do, though, I read out before one 866 00:42:10,387 --> 00:42:14,627 Speaker 2: o'clock our list of Kiwi sports people who should never 867 00:42:15,227 --> 00:42:19,227 Speaker 2: buy their own drink. Again. It was the catalyst for 868 00:42:19,267 --> 00:42:24,987 Speaker 2: an influx of texts suggesting others who weren't on that list. Look, 869 00:42:25,027 --> 00:42:29,387 Speaker 2: I said before, it's not exhaustive, it's not definitive, and 870 00:42:30,347 --> 00:42:34,867 Speaker 2: many of you agreed. Piney, Richard Hadley, what about sir? 871 00:42:34,947 --> 00:42:38,187 Speaker 2: Richard says this one should be number one. You need 872 00:42:38,507 --> 00:42:41,787 Speaker 2: John Fitzpatrick to your list, says this one where's Dan? 873 00:42:41,947 --> 00:42:47,787 Speaker 2: Carter asks another Jason, please add Joel King and Mus 874 00:42:47,867 --> 00:42:53,427 Speaker 2: says Heiney, No, Beaver, you make a very good point, actually, Muss, 875 00:42:53,787 --> 00:42:55,747 Speaker 2: Beaver should be on that list. I'm not sure why 876 00:42:55,747 --> 00:42:58,947 Speaker 2: he isn't and without wanting to drop his name, I've 877 00:42:58,987 --> 00:43:00,827 Speaker 2: been out with Beaver a couple of times and I 878 00:43:00,867 --> 00:43:03,347 Speaker 2: can tell you this, he would not turn down a 879 00:43:03,427 --> 00:43:11,307 Speaker 2: drink free otherwise. Have you got suggestions fire and through 880 00:43:11,307 --> 00:43:15,267 Speaker 2: on text nine two nine two. We might have to 881 00:43:15,307 --> 00:43:17,587 Speaker 2: make a what do they call it when you print 882 00:43:17,587 --> 00:43:20,707 Speaker 2: a book and you add more to it a reprint? 883 00:43:20,787 --> 00:43:24,627 Speaker 2: Probably we might have to redo the list, reprint the list. 884 00:43:25,267 --> 00:43:27,387 Speaker 2: If you've got a suggestion of a Kiwi sportsperson who 885 00:43:27,387 --> 00:43:30,467 Speaker 2: should never buy their own drink again, TEXTA three to 886 00:43:30,547 --> 00:43:34,907 Speaker 2: nineteen niney two. In the meantime, a third bidder has 887 00:43:34,947 --> 00:43:39,067 Speaker 2: emerged in the quest to win an Narl for christ 888 00:43:39,107 --> 00:43:43,707 Speaker 2: Church as expansion from seventeen to twenty teams remains very 889 00:43:43,787 --> 00:43:47,267 Speaker 2: much a live conversation. During the week, the Southern Orca 890 00:43:47,747 --> 00:43:50,667 Speaker 2: publicly unveiled a proposal to play out of the new 891 00:43:50,707 --> 00:43:54,507 Speaker 2: Tech Kaha Stadium. It claims to have sixty million dollars 892 00:43:54,587 --> 00:43:58,067 Speaker 2: in funding from South Island based private investors and is 893 00:43:58,067 --> 00:44:01,907 Speaker 2: looking to establish a twenty hectare one hundred million dollars 894 00:44:01,987 --> 00:44:06,347 Speaker 2: Center of Excellence at Rolleston with seven training fields gymnasium 895 00:44:06,867 --> 00:44:10,427 Speaker 2: and medical facilities. Now it's the third group in christ 896 00:44:10,507 --> 00:44:14,627 Speaker 2: Church to express interest. The South Island NRL bid team 897 00:44:14,707 --> 00:44:16,947 Speaker 2: was the first that included a number of long time 898 00:44:17,067 --> 00:44:21,467 Speaker 2: Canterbury Rugby league personnel, including respected former Keiwis coach Frank Endicott. 899 00:44:22,027 --> 00:44:24,907 Speaker 2: Then there was the South Island keya bid driven by 900 00:44:24,987 --> 00:44:27,987 Speaker 2: former NRL New Zealand Rugby and Welsh Rugby Union chief 901 00:44:27,987 --> 00:44:31,747 Speaker 2: executive David Moffatt. And now there's the third one. All 902 00:44:31,867 --> 00:44:35,307 Speaker 2: three seem keen to push ahead with their own proposals 903 00:44:35,667 --> 00:44:40,347 Speaker 2: despite apparent ambivalence from the NRL, And from what I 904 00:44:40,387 --> 00:44:43,027 Speaker 2: can understand, and we might need to find out a 905 00:44:43,027 --> 00:44:45,227 Speaker 2: bit more about this, there doesn't seem to be any 906 00:44:45,787 --> 00:44:49,707 Speaker 2: great desire to work together. In fact, in some quarters 907 00:44:49,707 --> 00:44:53,947 Speaker 2: there seems to be a distinct reluctance to do that. 908 00:44:54,027 --> 00:44:56,547 Speaker 2: Anyway we can get to that, Let's bring in regular 909 00:44:56,587 --> 00:45:00,187 Speaker 2: contributed Weekend Sport longtime and respected rugby league journalist Brad 910 00:45:00,227 --> 00:45:02,147 Speaker 2: Walter to give us a view from the other side 911 00:45:02,147 --> 00:45:04,347 Speaker 2: of the Tasman on this brand. Let's start there. What 912 00:45:04,547 --> 00:45:08,747 Speaker 2: is the appetite at the NRL for as in New 913 00:45:08,827 --> 00:45:12,627 Speaker 2: Zealand side in any plans for an expanded competition. 914 00:45:13,867 --> 00:45:16,067 Speaker 8: Oh look, I think it's pretty strong. I think there's 915 00:45:16,107 --> 00:45:18,667 Speaker 8: no doubt that well, there is no doubt that Papua 916 00:45:18,707 --> 00:45:22,747 Speaker 8: New Guinea is he's looking good, you know, is pretty 917 00:45:22,827 --> 00:45:24,627 Speaker 8: much over the line. 918 00:45:25,147 --> 00:45:25,387 Speaker 11: Uh. 919 00:45:25,627 --> 00:45:28,347 Speaker 8: And then so that would be an eighteenth team. 920 00:45:28,987 --> 00:45:29,267 Speaker 7: Uh. 921 00:45:29,307 --> 00:45:31,307 Speaker 8: And there's obviously been a lot of talk about Western 922 00:45:31,307 --> 00:45:36,347 Speaker 8: Australia as well, so ensuring that it's the right model 923 00:45:36,387 --> 00:45:38,787 Speaker 8: and the right proposal in Western Australia, I think there's 924 00:45:38,827 --> 00:45:42,267 Speaker 8: a there's a rule, there is clearly an appetite for 925 00:45:42,307 --> 00:45:45,227 Speaker 8: that to happen as well. You've just got to look 926 00:45:45,267 --> 00:45:48,187 Speaker 8: at the public comments that are being made around that 927 00:45:48,347 --> 00:45:51,467 Speaker 8: and then you know, a second New Zealand team. I 928 00:45:51,467 --> 00:45:54,667 Speaker 8: think it's something that the NRL has been eyeing off 929 00:45:54,707 --> 00:45:57,467 Speaker 8: for some time, as you know. But again, it's got 930 00:45:57,467 --> 00:46:00,187 Speaker 8: to it's gotta it's got to add up, it's got 931 00:46:00,227 --> 00:46:02,907 Speaker 8: to stack up. It's got to be financial and it's 932 00:46:02,907 --> 00:46:04,747 Speaker 8: going to ensure that there's going to be more players, 933 00:46:05,387 --> 00:46:07,947 Speaker 8: you know, more junior part ways and more players coming 934 00:46:07,947 --> 00:46:11,547 Speaker 8: into the game. As well as being a sound financial model, 935 00:46:11,587 --> 00:46:14,867 Speaker 8: it's got to grow the game in a new market 936 00:46:14,987 --> 00:46:18,387 Speaker 8: or in a you know, to add to what we 937 00:46:18,507 --> 00:46:20,587 Speaker 8: already have in New Zealand. The game has with through 938 00:46:20,587 --> 00:46:25,027 Speaker 8: the Warriors. The time zones obviously are great to have 939 00:46:25,067 --> 00:46:27,307 Speaker 8: a second New Zealand team. I think, you know, if 940 00:46:27,347 --> 00:46:29,227 Speaker 8: we had another New Zealand team, so we had two 941 00:46:29,227 --> 00:46:32,027 Speaker 8: teams in New Zealand, we'd basically could you know, and 942 00:46:32,067 --> 00:46:35,027 Speaker 8: I'm just hypothesizing here, we're gonna have a team playing 943 00:46:35,067 --> 00:46:37,987 Speaker 8: a you know, a home game in New Zealand every week. 944 00:46:38,027 --> 00:46:41,707 Speaker 8: The Derby picture would be sensational. And if we had 945 00:46:41,707 --> 00:46:44,267 Speaker 8: a team in Perth, then we've got that those those 946 00:46:44,307 --> 00:46:48,507 Speaker 8: time zones where in the winter, New Zealand's two hours 947 00:46:48,507 --> 00:46:52,387 Speaker 8: ahead of Sydney and the East Coast of Australia and 948 00:46:52,827 --> 00:46:55,907 Speaker 8: Western Australia is two hours behind, so that enables us 949 00:46:55,987 --> 00:46:59,707 Speaker 8: to have a bigger spread of time zones and kickoff 950 00:46:59,747 --> 00:47:03,187 Speaker 8: times et cetera, et cetera to fill the time slots. 951 00:47:03,587 --> 00:47:05,827 Speaker 8: So I think, yeah, look, I think there's definitely an 952 00:47:05,867 --> 00:47:09,787 Speaker 8: appetite for a second New Zealand team. It's fantastic that 953 00:47:09,827 --> 00:47:14,947 Speaker 8: there's three bids in christ Church, so that that would 954 00:47:14,987 --> 00:47:17,987 Speaker 8: suggest that the people that are behind it think that 955 00:47:18,067 --> 00:47:20,427 Speaker 8: christ Church is viable and is the place to have 956 00:47:20,987 --> 00:47:24,347 Speaker 8: a team. But you know, but I would also be 957 00:47:24,467 --> 00:47:27,027 Speaker 8: concerned that there are three bids. I imagine at some 958 00:47:27,067 --> 00:47:30,467 Speaker 8: stages that I've got to come together or some have 959 00:47:30,547 --> 00:47:34,387 Speaker 8: got to pull out, because it sort of seems weird 960 00:47:34,387 --> 00:47:36,707 Speaker 8: to have from just from an outsider looking in, not 961 00:47:36,747 --> 00:47:39,627 Speaker 8: knowing the finances or not knowing that all the details 962 00:47:39,907 --> 00:47:42,147 Speaker 8: of those bids, it just sort of seems a little 963 00:47:42,187 --> 00:47:45,147 Speaker 8: bit weird to have three bids in the one city, 964 00:47:45,347 --> 00:47:48,467 Speaker 8: effectively competing for each other. But also a lot of 965 00:47:48,467 --> 00:47:51,547 Speaker 8: what they bring is the same. They're all going to 966 00:47:51,547 --> 00:47:53,467 Speaker 8: play at the same stadium, they're all going to have 967 00:47:53,827 --> 00:47:57,747 Speaker 8: imagine a high performance center of some sort, or you know, 968 00:47:57,787 --> 00:48:01,427 Speaker 8: they're basically attracting competing, and you know, they'll be whoever 969 00:48:01,467 --> 00:48:04,027 Speaker 8: gets the license, it's the same set of fans, it's 970 00:48:04,067 --> 00:48:07,547 Speaker 8: the same you know, it's the same play as local 971 00:48:07,587 --> 00:48:10,067 Speaker 8: players that they'll be trying to attract us. So they'll 972 00:48:10,107 --> 00:48:12,987 Speaker 8: be playing at the same venue. So what sets those 973 00:48:13,027 --> 00:48:17,107 Speaker 8: bits apart or you know, or they come together and 974 00:48:17,147 --> 00:48:21,867 Speaker 8: combine into hopefully a super bit. I think that's the key. 975 00:48:23,067 --> 00:48:23,267 Speaker 7: Yeah. 976 00:48:23,347 --> 00:48:26,067 Speaker 2: Oh look, I could not agree more. Brat and weird 977 00:48:26,227 --> 00:48:28,987 Speaker 2: is exactly the right word to use, because Yeah, when 978 00:48:29,027 --> 00:48:31,787 Speaker 2: three are competing in such a small market for what 979 00:48:31,867 --> 00:48:34,707 Speaker 2: will be one franchise. Yeah, it just seems so obvious 980 00:48:34,707 --> 00:48:38,227 Speaker 2: that they should be getting together. Anyway we can, we 981 00:48:38,267 --> 00:48:40,387 Speaker 2: can leave that further down the track. Just in terms 982 00:48:40,427 --> 00:48:43,547 Speaker 2: of time frame. You talked about the Perth Bears, You 983 00:48:43,627 --> 00:48:46,747 Speaker 2: talked about pop on New Guinea as teams eighteen and nineteen. 984 00:48:47,587 --> 00:48:50,147 Speaker 2: What's the timeframe we're talking about here, mate? Who would 985 00:48:50,187 --> 00:48:52,787 Speaker 2: be in first? When would that happen? Would they coming 986 00:48:52,827 --> 00:48:56,787 Speaker 2: together teams eighteen and nineteen? What's the time frame you're hearing? 987 00:48:57,347 --> 00:48:58,947 Speaker 8: Oh, look, I'm not one hundred percent sure, but the 988 00:48:59,507 --> 00:49:02,947 Speaker 8: you know, think twenty twenty seven, twenty twenty eight is 989 00:49:03,547 --> 00:49:05,987 Speaker 8: the is the time frame that's been looked at because 990 00:49:05,987 --> 00:49:09,467 Speaker 8: of the broadcast deal. Broadcast deals up in twenty twenty eight, 991 00:49:10,547 --> 00:49:13,147 Speaker 8: so that's when they'd be talking to broadcasters about what 992 00:49:13,227 --> 00:49:16,027 Speaker 8: the seasons structure would look like, the number of teams, 993 00:49:16,747 --> 00:49:18,307 Speaker 8: all of those things would all be part of the 994 00:49:18,307 --> 00:49:21,987 Speaker 8: next broadcast deal, whether all the teams come in. Look, 995 00:49:22,067 --> 00:49:24,627 Speaker 8: I don't know. I'm not privy to the plans, and 996 00:49:24,707 --> 00:49:29,227 Speaker 8: I don't know whether until the bids are until until 997 00:49:29,227 --> 00:49:32,547 Speaker 8: there's enough you know, the bids were rejected, so I 998 00:49:32,587 --> 00:49:34,227 Speaker 8: think that needs to be out there on the table 999 00:49:34,267 --> 00:49:37,907 Speaker 8: that the NRL or the aar l C, the AARL 1000 00:49:37,947 --> 00:49:42,867 Speaker 8: Commission rejected eight bids for the only one that's basically 1001 00:49:42,907 --> 00:49:46,547 Speaker 8: that his go or is going to proceed to the 1002 00:49:46,547 --> 00:49:49,987 Speaker 8: next level is Puppy New Guinea. And that's really why 1003 00:49:49,787 --> 00:49:55,667 Speaker 8: the Graham Low Andrew Charmer's bid that was announced a 1004 00:49:55,707 --> 00:49:58,587 Speaker 8: few days ago in Sydney. The reason they went public 1005 00:49:58,667 --> 00:50:02,267 Speaker 8: is because they'd been you know, they've been operating behind 1006 00:50:02,347 --> 00:50:06,467 Speaker 8: the scenes. They hadn't been publicly known, but they they 1007 00:50:06,507 --> 00:50:10,867 Speaker 8: were one of three bidders that submitted to the NRL 1008 00:50:11,027 --> 00:50:14,267 Speaker 8: or the a RLC and were rejected, along with Perth 1009 00:50:14,347 --> 00:50:20,707 Speaker 8: and some bids in Queensland as well. So the time, 1010 00:50:20,827 --> 00:50:22,987 Speaker 8: so the time frame that's going to depend on the 1011 00:50:22,987 --> 00:50:24,827 Speaker 8: bids and how good the bids are. For one, when 1012 00:50:24,827 --> 00:50:28,907 Speaker 8: they're ready to go. I know that the latest bid, 1013 00:50:29,187 --> 00:50:32,547 Speaker 8: the Southern ucast, I think they said they could go 1014 00:50:32,587 --> 00:50:35,747 Speaker 8: in twenty twenty six if they had to. I don't 1015 00:50:35,787 --> 00:50:38,827 Speaker 8: think anyone's really looking for a team to come in 1016 00:50:39,267 --> 00:50:42,147 Speaker 8: that soon, and I think to get to twenty teams, 1017 00:50:42,147 --> 00:50:45,467 Speaker 8: the timeframe that's been mentioned is twenty teams by twenty 1018 00:50:45,507 --> 00:50:48,987 Speaker 8: thirty two, when the Brisbane Olympics are on to coincide 1019 00:50:49,027 --> 00:50:52,387 Speaker 8: with the Brisbane Olympics for reasons I'm not one hundred 1020 00:50:52,387 --> 00:50:55,827 Speaker 8: percent sure of why, you know, what the link there is, 1021 00:50:56,627 --> 00:50:59,067 Speaker 8: but yeah, i'd imagine, I said TV Earl in twenty 1022 00:50:59,107 --> 00:51:01,987 Speaker 8: twenty eight, so we'd be looking at, you know, teams 1023 00:51:01,987 --> 00:51:06,107 Speaker 8: starting to come in from maybe twenty twenty seven onwards. 1024 00:51:06,587 --> 00:51:08,627 Speaker 8: I doubt that three teams would come in all at once. 1025 00:51:09,907 --> 00:51:12,787 Speaker 8: You know, we haven't had expansion on this level since 1026 00:51:12,827 --> 00:51:16,707 Speaker 8: nineteen ninety five, so it's hard to know, you know, 1027 00:51:16,827 --> 00:51:20,587 Speaker 8: looking just a potted history of expansion, we had the 1028 00:51:20,667 --> 00:51:23,187 Speaker 8: canber Raiders and the Elora Steelers came back into early 1029 00:51:23,427 --> 00:51:25,787 Speaker 8: came in in the early eighties together, and then we 1030 00:51:25,827 --> 00:51:28,467 Speaker 8: had the in nineteen eighty eight, we had the Broncos, 1031 00:51:29,067 --> 00:51:34,507 Speaker 8: the Newcastle Knights and the Gold Coast Giants as they 1032 00:51:34,507 --> 00:51:37,747 Speaker 8: were called back then, came in that year. Then we 1033 00:51:37,787 --> 00:51:39,947 Speaker 8: had expansion in nineteen ninety five when we brought in 1034 00:51:40,067 --> 00:51:43,587 Speaker 8: the Auckland Warriors, the Perth or the Western Reds, North 1035 00:51:43,627 --> 00:51:47,587 Speaker 8: Queensland Cowboys and the South Queensland Crushes, which were who 1036 00:51:47,587 --> 00:51:50,627 Speaker 8: were based in Brisbane and then there was no expansion. 1037 00:51:50,627 --> 00:51:53,747 Speaker 8: It was contraction and then until the Gold Coast Titans 1038 00:51:53,747 --> 00:51:57,667 Speaker 8: came in two thousand and seven, the Mery the Melbourne 1039 00:51:57,667 --> 00:51:59,147 Speaker 8: Storm did come in at the end of the Super 1040 00:51:59,227 --> 00:52:02,867 Speaker 8: leagu War in ninety nine, gold Coast Titans in two 1041 00:52:02,907 --> 00:52:06,907 Speaker 8: thousand and seven, and then nothing until the Dolphins last year. 1042 00:52:07,027 --> 00:52:10,787 Speaker 8: So it's a bit, you know, like this, I don't 1043 00:52:10,827 --> 00:52:12,827 Speaker 8: know what the perfect model is how it all roll, 1044 00:52:13,667 --> 00:52:16,987 Speaker 8: but there's definitely an appetite for expansion. And the fantastic 1045 00:52:17,027 --> 00:52:20,467 Speaker 8: thing is that there are bids and teams that want 1046 00:52:20,507 --> 00:52:24,707 Speaker 8: to join the NRL now right across Australia and in 1047 00:52:25,107 --> 00:52:28,867 Speaker 8: New Zealand and in the South Island. So yeah, I 1048 00:52:28,907 --> 00:52:30,587 Speaker 8: think it's just, you know, a lot of work needs 1049 00:52:30,627 --> 00:52:32,707 Speaker 8: to be done to make sure that those bids are 1050 00:52:33,067 --> 00:52:35,107 Speaker 8: up to scratch and also that it's going to be 1051 00:52:35,387 --> 00:52:37,867 Speaker 8: viable and sustainable for the competition. 1052 00:52:39,307 --> 00:52:41,427 Speaker 2: So just on the fact that the bids, all of 1053 00:52:41,427 --> 00:52:43,427 Speaker 2: them pretty much apart from the Papua New Guinea one, 1054 00:52:43,827 --> 00:52:48,747 Speaker 2: were rejected when they were submitted, Brad, that doesn't mean 1055 00:52:48,867 --> 00:52:52,867 Speaker 2: that that doesn't equate to ambivalence or if we just 1056 00:52:53,307 --> 00:52:55,547 Speaker 2: you know, go specifically with the New Zealand bid. That's 1057 00:52:55,587 --> 00:52:58,467 Speaker 2: not the NRL saying we don't want another team in 1058 00:52:58,507 --> 00:53:01,667 Speaker 2: New Zealand. It's just them saying this hasn't ticked all 1059 00:53:01,667 --> 00:53:03,427 Speaker 2: of our boxes. Is that a fair assessment? 1060 00:53:03,627 --> 00:53:06,467 Speaker 8: Correct? There? One hundred percent? It's the basically saying we 1061 00:53:06,507 --> 00:53:10,227 Speaker 8: want a better a better bid. I suppose that's stronger bid, 1062 00:53:10,947 --> 00:53:13,387 Speaker 8: you know, Yeah, that's right. We're not happy with We're 1063 00:53:13,387 --> 00:53:18,707 Speaker 8: not satisfied with everything that we've submitted. And basically, if 1064 00:53:18,867 --> 00:53:21,587 Speaker 8: if you still want to, if he's still keen, and 1065 00:53:21,627 --> 00:53:24,107 Speaker 8: if you think you can submit at a better bid, 1066 00:53:24,147 --> 00:53:27,347 Speaker 8: well then obviously there's the opportunity to do so. I 1067 00:53:27,387 --> 00:53:30,267 Speaker 8: don't I think, you know, from what I've heard from 1068 00:53:30,347 --> 00:53:32,907 Speaker 8: the various bid teams that the ones that have gone public, 1069 00:53:33,747 --> 00:53:38,507 Speaker 8: they they don't exactly know, you know, what's you know, 1070 00:53:38,587 --> 00:53:43,587 Speaker 8: why they haven't received feedback individually on why each bid, 1071 00:53:44,187 --> 00:53:46,747 Speaker 8: you know, on the specific details of maybe you know 1072 00:53:46,787 --> 00:53:51,067 Speaker 8: why Bid X didn't you know, didn't didn't tick all 1073 00:53:51,107 --> 00:53:54,387 Speaker 8: the boxes or whatever. So that's obviously for them to 1074 00:53:54,427 --> 00:53:57,627 Speaker 8: work out, you know, and they've got to try and 1075 00:53:57,627 --> 00:54:00,627 Speaker 8: figure out exactly, you know, what what the NRL wants. 1076 00:54:00,667 --> 00:54:02,667 Speaker 8: But yeah, I think it's it's they said, it's great 1077 00:54:02,667 --> 00:54:04,467 Speaker 8: that there's three bids in christ Church. I think that 1078 00:54:04,507 --> 00:54:07,507 Speaker 8: probably does confirm confirms to me in my mind that 1079 00:54:07,547 --> 00:54:09,987 Speaker 8: there are a lot of people who think christ Church 1080 00:54:10,107 --> 00:54:13,067 Speaker 8: is the place, because I would reckon that if you 1081 00:54:13,107 --> 00:54:15,907 Speaker 8: look at New Zealand, you know, and the idea of 1082 00:54:15,907 --> 00:54:17,827 Speaker 8: a second team, it's always but the question has always 1083 00:54:17,867 --> 00:54:20,587 Speaker 8: beemed to where would you base it? So that certainly 1084 00:54:20,987 --> 00:54:22,827 Speaker 8: sounds like a lot of people have come to the 1085 00:54:22,827 --> 00:54:25,347 Speaker 8: conclusion that christ Church is the place. So that's I 1086 00:54:25,427 --> 00:54:27,667 Speaker 8: think that's good for christ Church. I think that's good 1087 00:54:27,667 --> 00:54:30,627 Speaker 8: for the likelihood that at some stage is going to 1088 00:54:30,667 --> 00:54:34,907 Speaker 8: be a team there, you know, and we're obviously getting 1089 00:54:35,227 --> 00:54:37,307 Speaker 8: we're adding closer to that and we're really talking about 1090 00:54:37,347 --> 00:54:38,387 Speaker 8: it publicly now. 1091 00:54:39,307 --> 00:54:41,867 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and you're dead right, I mean, christ It's just 1092 00:54:41,867 --> 00:54:44,907 Speaker 2: that is the obvious place. New stadium coming, good league 1093 00:54:44,947 --> 00:54:47,587 Speaker 2: for ternity, good crowds for a recent international matches. Just 1094 00:54:47,627 --> 00:54:51,107 Speaker 2: don't pop on your Guinea, Brad. What's the attraction of 1095 00:54:51,107 --> 00:54:54,867 Speaker 2: an NRL franchise based in PNNG for the NRL. 1096 00:54:55,427 --> 00:55:00,187 Speaker 8: Well, a number of things. First of all, Papi New Guinea, 1097 00:55:00,187 --> 00:55:02,267 Speaker 8: as we all know, is rugby league math it's got 1098 00:55:02,267 --> 00:55:08,427 Speaker 8: a population of twelve million plus rugby leagues and national sport. 1099 00:55:08,707 --> 00:55:11,067 Speaker 8: There's a lot of playing talent be it's probably never 1100 00:55:11,107 --> 00:55:15,427 Speaker 8: been the pathways have probably never been structured like like 1101 00:55:15,587 --> 00:55:18,387 Speaker 8: they are in Australia and New Zealand. But that's that 1102 00:55:18,587 --> 00:55:23,907 Speaker 8: sort of work is happening now. There's like incredibly strong 1103 00:55:24,667 --> 00:55:27,347 Speaker 8: support from both Australia and the Puppy and New Guinea governments, 1104 00:55:27,387 --> 00:55:29,987 Speaker 8: so there's a lot of you know, there's a lot 1105 00:55:30,067 --> 00:55:31,827 Speaker 8: of money there as well, but there's a lot of 1106 00:55:31,867 --> 00:55:34,947 Speaker 8: money in Pappy in New Guinea, regardless of government funding. 1107 00:55:35,187 --> 00:55:37,187 Speaker 8: Has said there's a lot of playing talent that will 1108 00:55:37,667 --> 00:55:41,347 Speaker 8: help or fill more teams, because that's what that's one 1109 00:55:41,387 --> 00:55:43,067 Speaker 8: of the questions that's always asked if you bring in 1110 00:55:43,067 --> 00:55:45,867 Speaker 8: another team, is there enough talent? Well, Pappa New Guinea's 1111 00:55:45,867 --> 00:55:48,347 Speaker 8: going to supply a lot of talent and it's fairly 1112 00:55:48,427 --> 00:55:51,507 Speaker 8: untapped in terms of at NRL level. But we're seeing 1113 00:55:51,827 --> 00:55:54,907 Speaker 8: with the performances of the Kummels in the in the 1114 00:55:54,947 --> 00:55:58,547 Speaker 8: in the Pacific Championships that we're seeing how much talent 1115 00:55:58,587 --> 00:56:01,347 Speaker 8: there is there and basically hardly any of these players 1116 00:56:01,547 --> 00:56:04,427 Speaker 8: play in the NRL. So but they look like they're 1117 00:56:04,907 --> 00:56:07,907 Speaker 8: r already and that's just I think the tip of 1118 00:56:07,907 --> 00:56:10,787 Speaker 8: the iceberg. So uh so, you know, I think they're 1119 00:56:10,787 --> 00:56:14,507 Speaker 8: probably the main things. And obviously you know what's in 1120 00:56:14,547 --> 00:56:16,187 Speaker 8: it for the government. I suppose you could say, why 1121 00:56:16,267 --> 00:56:18,787 Speaker 8: do they want to invest so much money? And it's 1122 00:56:18,827 --> 00:56:22,187 Speaker 8: it's common knowledge, well publicized. Australian government's putting in six 1123 00:56:22,267 --> 00:56:26,747 Speaker 8: hundred million dollars. Pappy in Guinea government will be you know, 1124 00:56:26,867 --> 00:56:30,507 Speaker 8: will be investing as well to get to get it started. 1125 00:56:31,787 --> 00:56:33,907 Speaker 8: It's it's it's you know, a lot of it's around, 1126 00:56:34,067 --> 00:56:36,627 Speaker 8: you know, the Pacific and the battle with China or 1127 00:56:36,667 --> 00:56:39,107 Speaker 8: the influence of China and the Pacific and how do 1128 00:56:39,187 --> 00:56:42,107 Speaker 8: we counter that. So I've just been to Fiji. There's 1129 00:56:42,107 --> 00:56:45,947 Speaker 8: no doubt for the for the Pacific Championships, there's no doubt. 1130 00:56:46,227 --> 00:56:49,067 Speaker 8: It's it's really obvious there that the influence at China 1131 00:56:50,027 --> 00:56:52,947 Speaker 8: is trying to have and that's it's all around the Pacific. 1132 00:56:53,027 --> 00:56:57,027 Speaker 8: So you know, the Australian government and other governments, New 1133 00:56:57,107 --> 00:57:01,627 Speaker 8: Zealand government, US government, et cetera. They're they're trying to 1134 00:57:01,667 --> 00:57:04,427 Speaker 8: sort of counter that influence. And Rugby League in Puppy 1135 00:57:04,467 --> 00:57:06,987 Speaker 8: in New Guinea is what is one to do that 1136 00:57:06,987 --> 00:57:09,347 Speaker 8: that's but that's one reason. But you know, from a 1137 00:57:09,427 --> 00:57:12,627 Speaker 8: rugby league point of view, it said, it's Australia's closest neighbor. 1138 00:57:13,587 --> 00:57:18,387 Speaker 8: It's it's got untapped rugby league resources. Though fanatical about it, 1139 00:57:18,387 --> 00:57:22,627 Speaker 8: it's a new audience, it's a new the playing pathways, 1140 00:57:22,667 --> 00:57:26,427 Speaker 8: the potential of the playing pathways are incredible. And yeah, 1141 00:57:26,467 --> 00:57:29,587 Speaker 8: there's a you know, really really strong relationship between Australia 1142 00:57:29,707 --> 00:57:33,707 Speaker 8: and puppy in New Guinea which would be massively, massively strengthened. 1143 00:57:33,907 --> 00:57:36,747 Speaker 8: And I think also from a uh you know, from 1144 00:57:36,787 --> 00:57:39,787 Speaker 8: a point of view of the game, and also you 1145 00:57:39,827 --> 00:57:44,947 Speaker 8: know the government too. It's a way of improving the quality, 1146 00:57:45,027 --> 00:57:47,707 Speaker 8: the standard of living, the quality of life, encouraging kids 1147 00:57:47,707 --> 00:57:50,827 Speaker 8: to go to school, getting people better educated, all those 1148 00:57:50,867 --> 00:57:53,947 Speaker 8: things through the power of sport and rugby leagu's king 1149 00:57:53,987 --> 00:57:57,107 Speaker 8: and Pappi New Guinea. So yeah, so there's there's a 1150 00:57:57,187 --> 00:57:59,267 Speaker 8: there's a lot of reasons you know that go right 1151 00:57:59,307 --> 00:58:03,707 Speaker 8: across the board, from pure football down to you know, 1152 00:58:03,947 --> 00:58:07,987 Speaker 8: influence of China and the Pacific or countering that to 1153 00:58:08,027 --> 00:58:13,867 Speaker 8: try to list and raise the standards and also from 1154 00:58:13,947 --> 00:58:15,507 Speaker 8: financial point of view as well. 1155 00:58:16,587 --> 00:58:19,267 Speaker 2: All right, so let's say they're run let's eighteen. Let's 1156 00:58:19,267 --> 00:58:23,627 Speaker 2: say Perth get across the line too, that's nineteen. If 1157 00:58:23,627 --> 00:58:26,267 Speaker 2: we get to twenty, who would be the other rivals 1158 00:58:26,307 --> 00:58:29,747 Speaker 2: the main rivals to christ Church for that twentieth side. 1159 00:58:30,187 --> 00:58:33,187 Speaker 8: Okay, so I think so the teams that missed out, 1160 00:58:33,307 --> 00:58:36,427 Speaker 8: the bids that missed out when the Dolphins came in 1161 00:58:36,867 --> 00:58:42,667 Speaker 8: are still around. The Brisbane Tigers, who are massive, I 1162 00:58:42,787 --> 00:58:45,427 Speaker 8: like the Dolphins, you know, the established club being around 1163 00:58:45,467 --> 00:58:49,107 Speaker 8: for a long time, successful with the big league club, 1164 00:58:49,187 --> 00:58:52,667 Speaker 8: a lot of money behind them. And then you've got 1165 00:58:53,267 --> 00:58:56,587 Speaker 8: the Ifswitch Jets who have teamed up with the Newtown Jets. 1166 00:58:58,107 --> 00:59:00,987 Speaker 8: But basically it's a team in the southeast corridor of 1167 00:59:02,107 --> 00:59:06,587 Speaker 8: Queensland and or the Southwest corridor, sorry in down in 1168 00:59:06,627 --> 00:59:10,307 Speaker 8: southern southern Queensland there and it's a massively growing area. 1169 00:59:10,347 --> 00:59:13,227 Speaker 8: It's got lots of It's sort of like the Penrith 1170 00:59:13,267 --> 00:59:17,307 Speaker 8: of Brisbane. I suppose you would say, look how successful enerthies. 1171 00:59:17,867 --> 00:59:20,347 Speaker 8: And also like you know, there's a battle going on 1172 00:59:20,787 --> 00:59:24,387 Speaker 8: with a fl for I suppose the the talent and 1173 00:59:24,467 --> 00:59:27,387 Speaker 8: the fans and the and the population of those areas. 1174 00:59:27,507 --> 00:59:29,067 Speaker 7: So you know. 1175 00:59:29,147 --> 00:59:30,827 Speaker 8: So that's that's that's one of the things that that 1176 00:59:30,947 --> 00:59:33,227 Speaker 8: area offers. So I think they're the two main ones. 1177 00:59:33,667 --> 00:59:37,187 Speaker 8: There may be some others, and those two bids were 1178 00:59:37,627 --> 00:59:41,027 Speaker 8: competing with the Dolphins before the Dolphins came in. Both 1179 00:59:41,587 --> 00:59:44,947 Speaker 8: as said, they're both both strong, strong bids. Established clubs 1180 00:59:44,947 --> 00:59:50,907 Speaker 8: playing in the Queensland Cup competition. Bristane Tigers, especially East Tigers, 1181 00:59:51,347 --> 00:59:55,587 Speaker 8: been around for a long time, have great facilities. That's 1182 00:59:55,587 --> 00:59:57,267 Speaker 8: where a lot of the n l W games have 1183 00:59:57,267 --> 01:00:01,347 Speaker 8: been played this year at their stadium. Totally work where stadium, 1184 01:00:01,427 --> 01:00:04,187 Speaker 8: so it's you know, small boutique stadium that they have 1185 01:00:04,267 --> 01:00:07,867 Speaker 8: in Brisbane. So yeah, there's there's strong bids that I think, 1186 01:00:08,147 --> 01:00:11,027 Speaker 8: you know, the game just expanded and brought in a 1187 01:00:11,067 --> 01:00:15,267 Speaker 8: second a second Queensland team or a second Brisbane team, 1188 01:00:15,307 --> 01:00:18,947 Speaker 8: So you know, I think I don't know, look the 1189 01:00:19,027 --> 01:00:20,627 Speaker 8: sort it's off a media side. I don't know that 1190 01:00:20,667 --> 01:00:24,147 Speaker 8: the details of any of those bids whatsoever, but there 1191 01:00:24,147 --> 01:00:28,027 Speaker 8: obviously is there is some some there is support there 1192 01:00:28,067 --> 01:00:30,667 Speaker 8: and there is a lot of interesting in christ Church 1193 01:00:31,947 --> 01:00:32,467 Speaker 8: great stuff. 1194 01:00:32,467 --> 01:00:34,947 Speaker 2: Brad Well. Nothing would please me more than hosting you 1195 01:00:35,347 --> 01:00:38,027 Speaker 2: at the new christ Church Stadium at some stage in 1196 01:00:38,067 --> 01:00:40,547 Speaker 2: the next few years to watch to watch a game 1197 01:00:40,587 --> 01:00:43,867 Speaker 2: between a christ Church side and another NRL side, really 1198 01:00:43,987 --> 01:00:44,467 Speaker 2: appreciate you. 1199 01:00:45,107 --> 01:00:49,107 Speaker 8: I'll just say this, the Southern orchest versus the Warriors, 1200 01:00:49,507 --> 01:00:52,267 Speaker 8: how big was the first, very first game. Sorry, if 1201 01:00:52,267 --> 01:00:56,107 Speaker 8: it is the Southern August a christ Church team. 1202 01:00:55,187 --> 01:00:57,667 Speaker 11: You know whether that's the KA or whether it's the 1203 01:00:57,707 --> 01:00:58,107 Speaker 11: other bid. 1204 01:00:58,147 --> 01:01:00,947 Speaker 8: But h hopefully they can sort it out and we 1205 01:01:00,947 --> 01:01:04,187 Speaker 8: get the strongest possible bid. A christ christ Church team 1206 01:01:04,267 --> 01:01:08,387 Speaker 8: or a South Island team versus the Warriors. That would 1207 01:01:08,427 --> 01:01:11,307 Speaker 8: be I reckon that would rival that very first game 1208 01:01:11,307 --> 01:01:14,267 Speaker 8: when the Warriors played the Brisbane broadcast in nineteen ninety five. 1209 01:01:15,427 --> 01:01:17,907 Speaker 2: Totally agree, Brad. Again, great to get your analysis. Thanks 1210 01:01:17,947 --> 01:01:19,227 Speaker 2: for joining us across New Zealanders. 1211 01:01:19,227 --> 01:01:21,867 Speaker 8: Always no pleasure to speak to you soon. 1212 01:01:22,747 --> 01:01:24,787 Speaker 2: Yeah, look forward to that, Brad. Thanks indeed, Brad Walter 1213 01:01:25,627 --> 01:01:27,947 Speaker 2: wrapping a lot of context and detail around that for 1214 01:01:28,027 --> 01:01:29,867 Speaker 2: it's your chance to react. Now you've heard from Brad, 1215 01:01:29,867 --> 01:01:32,027 Speaker 2: You've probably done a bit of reading and listening on 1216 01:01:32,067 --> 01:01:34,347 Speaker 2: this sort of thing. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty, 1217 01:01:34,707 --> 01:01:39,307 Speaker 2: what is your gut feel on whether this is possed? 1218 01:01:39,667 --> 01:01:42,907 Speaker 2: You see a time where there are two New Zealand 1219 01:01:42,907 --> 01:01:46,627 Speaker 2: based sides playing in the NRL. It feels from listening 1220 01:01:46,707 --> 01:01:48,907 Speaker 2: to Brad there and from the reading that I've done, 1221 01:01:49,427 --> 01:01:51,467 Speaker 2: like the Papua New Guinea one is pretty much a 1222 01:01:51,507 --> 01:01:53,987 Speaker 2: done deal right. It's got a lot of federal government 1223 01:01:54,027 --> 01:01:57,627 Speaker 2: backing and looks as though that is a done deal 1224 01:01:57,667 --> 01:02:01,627 Speaker 2: almost across the line. Perth similarly, is one that I 1225 01:02:01,667 --> 01:02:04,587 Speaker 2: know they're very keen to do to increase their geographical 1226 01:02:04,627 --> 01:02:08,267 Speaker 2: footprint across Australia and get a Perth team there. So 1227 01:02:08,347 --> 01:02:13,147 Speaker 2: that's what nineteen teams if and when Papua New Guinea 1228 01:02:13,187 --> 01:02:16,787 Speaker 2: and Perth joined the NRL. So what are the chances 1229 01:02:16,827 --> 01:02:20,307 Speaker 2: of christ Church side being number twenty? I think we 1230 01:02:20,387 --> 01:02:24,947 Speaker 2: would all absolutely love it, wouldn't we. I don't think 1231 01:02:24,947 --> 01:02:29,507 Speaker 2: there's anyone who wouldn't want another professional sports team here 1232 01:02:29,547 --> 01:02:32,147 Speaker 2: in New Zealand, and christ Church just seems like the 1233 01:02:32,147 --> 01:02:35,867 Speaker 2: perfect place for it. They love their league in christ Church, 1234 01:02:35,947 --> 01:02:40,707 Speaker 2: big crowds for any game down there, including the recent internationals, 1235 01:02:41,307 --> 01:02:45,387 Speaker 2: brand new stadium coming of course in twenty twenty six. 1236 01:02:46,387 --> 01:02:48,987 Speaker 2: It just seems like the perfect place, which leads me 1237 01:02:49,867 --> 01:02:52,987 Speaker 2: to ask a question which it seems silly to be asking. 1238 01:02:53,027 --> 01:02:58,507 Speaker 2: This but why are there three bids? Why are there 1239 01:02:58,587 --> 01:03:04,147 Speaker 2: three bids and not just one? Why aren't these three 1240 01:03:04,867 --> 01:03:12,827 Speaker 2: budding NRL franchisees getting together? Christ listeners? What are you 1241 01:03:12,867 --> 01:03:15,947 Speaker 2: hearing in your city? In league fans in general? Can 1242 01:03:15,987 --> 01:03:19,307 Speaker 2: you see your time when there is an NRL New 1243 01:03:19,387 --> 01:03:22,907 Speaker 2: Zealand derby work pretty quickly in the A League. We 1244 01:03:23,027 --> 01:03:25,067 Speaker 2: saw what that looked like a week or so ago. 1245 01:03:25,627 --> 01:03:28,867 Speaker 2: How good would it be to have two NRL sides 1246 01:03:28,907 --> 01:03:31,467 Speaker 2: based here in New Zealand? What are you thinking? What 1247 01:03:31,507 --> 01:03:33,547 Speaker 2: are you hearing? What are you hoping? One twenty nine 1248 01:03:33,587 --> 01:03:35,987 Speaker 2: News Talks. He'd be oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty 1249 01:03:36,267 --> 01:03:37,987 Speaker 2: back with your calls on this right after this. 1250 01:03:39,307 --> 01:03:42,787 Speaker 1: The big issues on and after fields call oh eight 1251 01:03:42,867 --> 01:03:45,827 Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty weekends forward with Jason. 1252 01:03:45,547 --> 01:03:46,667 Speaker 7: Paine and GJ. 1253 01:03:46,787 --> 01:03:50,347 Speaker 1: Gunner Homes new Zealand's most trusted home builder, News Talk. 1254 01:03:50,427 --> 01:03:54,427 Speaker 2: BB twenty eight minutes away from to James mccony before 1255 01:03:54,427 --> 01:03:57,387 Speaker 2: two o'clock. But we're talking a second NRL franchise in 1256 01:03:57,427 --> 01:04:01,507 Speaker 2: New Zealand, almost certainly in christ Church, No lyle, what 1257 01:04:01,507 --> 01:04:02,067 Speaker 2: are you thinking? 1258 01:04:03,627 --> 01:04:07,027 Speaker 13: Well, first of all, my year, the country and teams's 1259 01:04:07,067 --> 01:04:09,907 Speaker 13: plenty of talent over there, no doubt, and the needs 1260 01:04:09,907 --> 01:04:12,667 Speaker 13: to body be won without a christ Church. But let's 1261 01:04:12,667 --> 01:04:15,667 Speaker 13: look he's involved. Graham Lowe, him and Malcolm Boyle bought 1262 01:04:15,667 --> 01:04:18,387 Speaker 13: the Warriors with about a million dollars of their own 1263 01:04:18,427 --> 01:04:20,947 Speaker 13: money and the rest of ty knui which should not 1264 01:04:21,027 --> 01:04:23,347 Speaker 13: have been allowed to happen, money to be spent on 1265 01:04:23,507 --> 01:04:27,667 Speaker 13: mar yef them. We go to Andrew Charmons his involvement 1266 01:04:27,707 --> 01:04:30,547 Speaker 13: in Bradford Northern where he can just google and read 1267 01:04:30,587 --> 01:04:33,187 Speaker 13: all that. And the third guy involved, as far as 1268 01:04:33,427 --> 01:04:36,587 Speaker 13: I can see, is a bloke called Michael Sell. Michael 1269 01:04:36,627 --> 01:04:39,547 Speaker 13: Sell was heavily involved with the Titans. He built the 1270 01:04:39,627 --> 01:04:42,787 Speaker 13: sinker of excellent tear, which is all good, but he 1271 01:04:42,907 --> 01:04:48,907 Speaker 13: sent well hundreds of tradees are insolvent, they went bust. 1272 01:04:49,067 --> 01:04:53,027 Speaker 13: He left money run or his organization left money owing left, 1273 01:04:53,107 --> 01:04:57,107 Speaker 13: right and center to a kind of Subby's and trading 1274 01:04:57,187 --> 01:04:59,507 Speaker 13: here on the Gold Coast. So yeah, another thing for 1275 01:04:59,627 --> 01:05:02,627 Speaker 13: christ Shirt. But as for sixty million, good luck to 1276 01:05:02,667 --> 01:05:04,747 Speaker 13: them if they've got it. But I'm glad none of 1277 01:05:04,827 --> 01:05:07,147 Speaker 13: those were involved in touching any of my money. 1278 01:05:09,307 --> 01:05:12,547 Speaker 2: It just seems as though it's I mean that aside, 1279 01:05:12,547 --> 01:05:14,987 Speaker 2: and obviously that's a big part of it. Lylan, you know, 1280 01:05:15,907 --> 01:05:18,187 Speaker 2: I'm sure due diligence will be done, but it just 1281 01:05:18,187 --> 01:05:21,387 Speaker 2: seems so bizarre that in a city of christ Church's 1282 01:05:21,467 --> 01:05:26,027 Speaker 2: size there are three separate bids. I feel like egos 1283 01:05:26,107 --> 01:05:28,507 Speaker 2: must be at play here, rather than hovering above all 1284 01:05:28,507 --> 01:05:30,827 Speaker 2: of this and saying, what is the best way of 1285 01:05:30,907 --> 01:05:33,707 Speaker 2: us all working together to bring a side here. 1286 01:05:34,867 --> 01:05:36,947 Speaker 13: Well, you hit the nail right on the head. Egos 1287 01:05:37,107 --> 01:05:40,707 Speaker 13: definitely involved in anything that the Lowe's involved. He has 1288 01:05:40,787 --> 01:05:43,187 Speaker 13: to be front and center. Now he's done a lot 1289 01:05:43,227 --> 01:05:45,227 Speaker 13: for rugby league, but he's a bloke that needs to 1290 01:05:45,267 --> 01:05:47,827 Speaker 13: fade into the background. He's had his time and got 1291 01:05:47,907 --> 01:05:51,347 Speaker 13: luck to him, but it's like a drug. I think 1292 01:05:51,387 --> 01:05:54,067 Speaker 13: with Graham he has to be involved. But if they 1293 01:05:54,147 --> 01:05:56,507 Speaker 13: really all love the game, they'll get together and put 1294 01:05:56,667 --> 01:06:00,507 Speaker 13: forward on one bid. As looking at the other two. 1295 01:06:00,827 --> 01:06:02,867 Speaker 13: A few people that I've heard involved there, I think 1296 01:06:02,907 --> 01:06:06,107 Speaker 13: the same thing would apply. Needs to bury the egos 1297 01:06:06,107 --> 01:06:10,547 Speaker 13: for But yeah, I think the NRL, before the three 1298 01:06:10,627 --> 01:06:12,707 Speaker 13: guys I mentioned you get involved in, I think they 1299 01:06:12,787 --> 01:06:15,347 Speaker 13: really need to look at it closely. We had to 1300 01:06:15,387 --> 01:06:17,747 Speaker 13: sell out the Warriors in the end to Eric Watson 1301 01:06:17,747 --> 01:06:20,827 Speaker 13: as a fire sail. So whilst the man's passion for 1302 01:06:20,867 --> 01:06:27,027 Speaker 13: the game can't be questioned, is this is those skills 1303 01:06:27,507 --> 01:06:37,147 Speaker 13: would have to be Sorry. 1304 01:06:32,867 --> 01:06:36,427 Speaker 2: Well lost you there lot? All right? Thanks mate. I 1305 01:06:36,547 --> 01:06:39,187 Speaker 2: take it back to the to the point about the 1306 01:06:39,387 --> 01:06:45,187 Speaker 2: United Front, and I think at times like this you 1307 01:06:45,347 --> 01:06:48,707 Speaker 2: have to hover above this. You have to take your 1308 01:06:48,787 --> 01:06:52,387 Speaker 2: own ego out of things and say, right, what is 1309 01:06:52,427 --> 01:06:55,867 Speaker 2: the best way for us to stand up an NRL 1310 01:06:55,947 --> 01:06:58,667 Speaker 2: team in christ Church? What is the best way for 1311 01:06:58,787 --> 01:07:02,947 Speaker 2: us to make this happen? Because they're all going to 1312 01:07:02,947 --> 01:07:06,747 Speaker 2: be after the same sponsors, they're all going to after 1313 01:07:06,787 --> 01:07:08,947 Speaker 2: the same backers, they're all going to be after the 1314 01:07:08,987 --> 01:07:12,587 Speaker 2: same players and the same fan base. They all want 1315 01:07:12,627 --> 01:07:16,627 Speaker 2: to play out of tekaha, which is obviously logical. So 1316 01:07:18,467 --> 01:07:22,107 Speaker 2: why not get around a table. They're all well aware 1317 01:07:22,187 --> 01:07:27,987 Speaker 2: of one another, they all know about the other two bids. Yes, 1318 01:07:28,027 --> 01:07:32,267 Speaker 2: I'm sure there are some headstrong personalities involved here, of 1319 01:07:32,307 --> 01:07:35,587 Speaker 2: course there are. And that word ego always seems to 1320 01:07:35,627 --> 01:07:38,867 Speaker 2: come to play. Now. Ego is not always a bad 1321 01:07:38,907 --> 01:07:45,427 Speaker 2: thing because it drives confidence and drives positivity, But when 1322 01:07:45,467 --> 01:07:48,867 Speaker 2: it gets in the way of collaboration, that's when ego 1323 01:07:48,947 --> 01:07:55,507 Speaker 2: becomes a problem. Collaboration is what is needed here. Whoever 1324 01:07:55,587 --> 01:07:59,627 Speaker 2: is involved in these three French decision makers at all 1325 01:07:59,747 --> 01:08:03,827 Speaker 2: of them need to get around a table because each 1326 01:08:03,867 --> 01:08:06,547 Speaker 2: of their three separate bids, as we've heard there from 1327 01:08:06,747 --> 01:08:12,907 Speaker 2: Brad Walter, has initially been rejected by the NRL. They've 1328 01:08:12,907 --> 01:08:15,947 Speaker 2: sent the bid back and said no, not up to 1329 01:08:15,987 --> 01:08:19,707 Speaker 2: where we need it to be. So to join forces, guys, 1330 01:08:20,267 --> 01:08:24,707 Speaker 2: for goodness sake, for the good of the game, Join horses. 1331 01:08:25,787 --> 01:08:28,747 Speaker 6: Hello market, Good afternoon, buddy. 1332 01:08:30,107 --> 01:08:34,107 Speaker 14: I can't see the logic in what that guy had 1333 01:08:34,147 --> 01:08:37,587 Speaker 14: just said before about the three teams that they've got 1334 01:08:38,187 --> 01:08:40,947 Speaker 14: not organized, but the three teams I've got considering for 1335 01:08:41,027 --> 01:08:44,907 Speaker 14: the induction into the NRL. Now, I lived in Perth 1336 01:08:44,987 --> 01:08:48,547 Speaker 14: for thirty thirty years. We had a team there in Perth, 1337 01:08:49,227 --> 01:08:50,147 Speaker 14: the Western Reds. 1338 01:08:50,787 --> 01:08:51,347 Speaker 10: Didn't work. 1339 01:08:51,667 --> 01:08:55,227 Speaker 14: They got kicked out. Why are they considering a team 1340 01:08:55,707 --> 01:09:01,987 Speaker 14: which is dominated by AFL slash cricket slash football with 1341 01:09:02,147 --> 01:09:04,867 Speaker 14: a team that's already had a team in there and 1342 01:09:04,907 --> 01:09:07,267 Speaker 14: been kicked out once before because it didn't work. 1343 01:09:09,507 --> 01:09:12,747 Speaker 2: I think geography, Mark, I think they wanted a greater 1344 01:09:12,827 --> 01:09:18,227 Speaker 2: geographical footprint that they're obviously keen to revisit it you know, 1345 01:09:18,227 --> 01:09:20,267 Speaker 2: they're willing to put the past behind them and say, Okay, 1346 01:09:20,267 --> 01:09:22,907 Speaker 2: it didn't work last time, let's make it work this time. 1347 01:09:23,027 --> 01:09:24,907 Speaker 2: As I've been reading this morning, I did quite a 1348 01:09:24,907 --> 01:09:28,467 Speaker 2: bit of reading on this, it sounds as though behind 1349 01:09:28,467 --> 01:09:31,947 Speaker 2: Papa New Guinea perthose the next one that looks very 1350 01:09:32,067 --> 01:09:32,667 Speaker 2: very keen on. 1351 01:09:33,667 --> 01:09:36,147 Speaker 14: They had some very good players there that don't get 1352 01:09:36,187 --> 01:09:39,907 Speaker 14: me wrong, but it just didn't work because of or 1353 01:09:39,987 --> 01:09:43,787 Speaker 14: especially AFL. It is It's cis an AFL state, full stop. 1354 01:09:45,347 --> 01:09:49,187 Speaker 2: And we Australia talking. 1355 01:09:50,067 --> 01:09:52,067 Speaker 15: Yes, yes, I went to a few games while I 1356 01:09:52,107 --> 01:09:56,547 Speaker 15: was living there and they were enjoyable. But those games 1357 01:09:56,587 --> 01:09:59,387 Speaker 15: were played at the old Whacka and really the crowds 1358 01:09:59,387 --> 01:10:02,667 Speaker 15: weren't huge, And to say. 1359 01:10:02,507 --> 01:10:05,667 Speaker 14: It didn't work and they got they got asked to 1360 01:10:05,747 --> 01:10:08,747 Speaker 14: leave or they got kicked out and they were the 1361 01:10:08,747 --> 01:10:09,547 Speaker 14: Western Reds. 1362 01:10:12,107 --> 01:10:14,267 Speaker 2: I guess as far as an AFL status concerned, Mark, 1363 01:10:14,267 --> 01:10:16,747 Speaker 2: you might say the same thing about Victoria. And yet 1364 01:10:16,747 --> 01:10:20,187 Speaker 2: the Melbourne Storm have been very successful there, haven't they. 1365 01:10:20,667 --> 01:10:22,907 Speaker 2: So I don't know that the fact that it's an 1366 01:10:22,987 --> 01:10:26,547 Speaker 2: NRL state would necessarily be an absolute turn off. It 1367 01:10:26,547 --> 01:10:28,507 Speaker 2: clearly isn't for the NRL. They want a team there. 1368 01:10:30,627 --> 01:10:34,027 Speaker 2: Adelaide's another one. South Australia is a huge AFL state. 1369 01:10:34,027 --> 01:10:35,827 Speaker 2: We've got a couple of AFL sides there, haven't they 1370 01:10:36,027 --> 01:10:39,507 Speaker 2: massive AFL state. Don't play any ragged league there, well 1371 01:10:39,547 --> 01:10:42,547 Speaker 2: not certainly not to NRL level. But I haven't seen 1372 01:10:42,547 --> 01:10:45,467 Speaker 2: any suggestion that they might try and start a team 1373 01:10:45,547 --> 01:10:49,627 Speaker 2: up an Adelaide. But yeah, as far as as far 1374 01:10:49,627 --> 01:10:52,867 Speaker 2: as Victoria is concerned, I mean a lot of a 1375 01:10:52,907 --> 01:10:54,827 Speaker 2: lot of Victorian sports fans don't know that there are 1376 01:10:54,907 --> 01:10:58,067 Speaker 2: other sports apart from AFL. And yet the Melbourne Storm 1377 01:10:58,067 --> 01:11:01,387 Speaker 2: have been really successful. It feels like Perth is going 1378 01:11:01,467 --> 01:11:03,787 Speaker 2: to happen. Papa New Guinea is going to happen. That's 1379 01:11:03,827 --> 01:11:07,107 Speaker 2: absolutely big one question now, in fact, they're acting announcement 1380 01:11:07,107 --> 01:11:10,067 Speaker 2: on that in the next couple of weeks. Yes, it's 1381 01:11:10,107 --> 01:11:14,267 Speaker 2: a political move, absolutely it is. It's absolutely a political move. 1382 01:11:15,707 --> 01:11:17,467 Speaker 2: Do some reading on the pupa New Guinea Bird and 1383 01:11:17,467 --> 01:11:19,387 Speaker 2: who's behind it and the money's being thrown in by 1384 01:11:19,387 --> 01:11:22,187 Speaker 2: the Federal Government of Australia to back this pup on 1385 01:11:22,227 --> 01:11:25,707 Speaker 2: New Guinea Bird and of course there is politics behind it, 1386 01:11:27,107 --> 01:11:30,307 Speaker 2: but it's fun. Nothing surer Papua New Guinea will be 1387 01:11:30,347 --> 01:11:32,067 Speaker 2: playing in the NRL in the next five or six 1388 01:11:32,147 --> 01:11:35,307 Speaker 2: years without question, and I get the feeling Perth will 1389 01:11:35,307 --> 01:11:37,627 Speaker 2: be as well. It's where the christ Church can and 1390 01:11:37,707 --> 01:11:40,067 Speaker 2: I hope that they can find a way to get 1391 01:11:40,107 --> 01:11:43,067 Speaker 2: around a table. As I say, thrash it out. Put 1392 01:11:43,107 --> 01:11:48,707 Speaker 2: together a superbid, a megabid, a united bid and say, hey, 1393 01:11:48,827 --> 01:11:52,947 Speaker 2: NRL pick us up as number twenty. How good would 1394 01:11:52,987 --> 01:11:56,227 Speaker 2: it be a christ Urch NRL team against the Warriors. 1395 01:11:57,907 --> 01:12:01,027 Speaker 2: I'd be buying a ticket one for when we come back. 1396 01:12:01,107 --> 01:12:02,667 Speaker 2: James mcconey here on News Talks, he'd be. 1397 01:12:03,187 --> 01:12:09,707 Speaker 1: One crutch hold n Gage Sports with Jason him and GJ. Gunderholmes, 1398 01:12:09,907 --> 01:12:12,627 Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted O Milder News Talks V. 1399 01:12:14,107 --> 01:12:16,667 Speaker 2: One forty three on News Talks, EDB. Let's get to 1400 01:12:16,747 --> 01:12:20,467 Speaker 2: James mcconey, a regular part of our Sundays. So much 1401 01:12:20,587 --> 01:12:23,347 Speaker 2: to talk about, James, Can we start with all Blacks Ireland. 1402 01:12:24,147 --> 01:12:26,147 Speaker 2: You've given it the overnight test as we all have. 1403 01:12:26,507 --> 01:12:29,027 Speaker 2: What stands out most about yesterday's win in Dublin for you? 1404 01:12:30,187 --> 01:12:33,267 Speaker 11: Well, Look, I don't usually do this, pony, but I 1405 01:12:33,347 --> 01:12:35,747 Speaker 11: think I'm ready to talk about tight forwards. I think 1406 01:12:35,747 --> 01:12:36,147 Speaker 11: I am. 1407 01:12:38,707 --> 01:12:41,027 Speaker 2: Ready, fair enough, fair enough. 1408 01:12:40,867 --> 01:12:44,747 Speaker 11: Let's do this, Let's do this. I think Moore was huge. 1409 01:12:44,787 --> 01:12:46,547 Speaker 11: It was a big step up for him because he 1410 01:12:46,627 --> 01:12:51,427 Speaker 11: came in replacing Cody Taylor. Questions about his throwing, but 1411 01:12:51,747 --> 01:12:55,307 Speaker 11: he was massive and that assists that the pickup offers bootlacers, 1412 01:12:55,347 --> 01:12:57,707 Speaker 11: so tis he actually had to scoop one up before 1413 01:12:57,787 --> 01:13:01,067 Speaker 11: him as well. But Will Jordan's try, our only try, 1414 01:13:01,107 --> 01:13:05,027 Speaker 11: I think was just crucial clutch play from him. And 1415 01:13:05,627 --> 01:13:08,827 Speaker 11: can't say enough about him. You must have been stoked 1416 01:13:08,867 --> 01:13:10,107 Speaker 11: as as a Canes man. 1417 01:13:11,667 --> 01:13:13,507 Speaker 2: I loved it, loved watching us off for one more 1418 01:13:13,587 --> 01:13:15,947 Speaker 2: and I thought, you know, you talk about core roles. 1419 01:13:16,027 --> 01:13:18,547 Speaker 2: One of these trendy phrases thrown into the line out, 1420 01:13:18,587 --> 01:13:20,187 Speaker 2: there was just that one at the start that was 1421 01:13:20,427 --> 01:13:24,947 Speaker 2: not straight. Ireland didn't contest. There was some confusion around 1422 01:13:24,947 --> 01:13:26,747 Speaker 2: whether that's actually a rule at the moment or not 1423 01:13:27,507 --> 01:13:29,907 Speaker 2: in the Autum inter Nationals. But otherwise I think around 1424 01:13:29,947 --> 01:13:32,387 Speaker 2: the field great, he made his tackles and his line 1425 01:13:32,427 --> 01:13:33,227 Speaker 2: out throwing was good. 1426 01:13:34,067 --> 01:13:37,547 Speaker 11: Yeah. And then beside him, I think our front rowers, 1427 01:13:37,587 --> 01:13:41,227 Speaker 11: the props have been outstanding, the reserves coming on torssi 1428 01:13:41,347 --> 01:13:43,947 Speaker 11: and talking the fussy the best in the world really 1429 01:13:44,747 --> 01:13:49,067 Speaker 11: in terms of steadying the scrum. They almost unplayable. You 1430 01:13:49,067 --> 01:13:51,787 Speaker 11: could tell the Irish we're not keen on scrum. The 1431 01:13:51,787 --> 01:13:53,707 Speaker 11: guy with the corners was dreading it when he had 1432 01:13:53,707 --> 01:13:57,347 Speaker 11: to come back on and it's been subbed off and 1433 01:13:57,387 --> 01:14:01,467 Speaker 11: he just said, no, please, don't make me face another bohema. 1434 01:14:01,907 --> 01:14:05,827 Speaker 11: And so I think the other thing is Patrick twopule 1435 01:14:05,907 --> 01:14:07,427 Speaker 11: or too. I just want to give a special shout 1436 01:14:07,467 --> 01:14:10,067 Speaker 11: out to him because I think he's been world class 1437 01:14:10,187 --> 01:14:12,187 Speaker 11: for a long time and a beast for a long time, 1438 01:14:12,467 --> 01:14:14,387 Speaker 11: but we just haven't seen him play in big all 1439 01:14:14,427 --> 01:14:17,747 Speaker 11: black tests, and that's mainly because of Brittallic and White 1440 01:14:17,747 --> 01:14:20,867 Speaker 11: Lock and Scott Barrett. They formed a sort of blockade 1441 01:14:21,147 --> 01:14:24,747 Speaker 11: where you've got your three world class locks, but Toy 1442 01:14:24,747 --> 01:14:26,947 Speaker 11: plot to us every bit world class. And so it's 1443 01:14:26,987 --> 01:14:31,227 Speaker 11: actually we're lucky that he's still around and playing at 1444 01:14:31,227 --> 01:14:34,307 Speaker 11: that level, because I don't I think only South Africa 1445 01:14:34,387 --> 01:14:35,987 Speaker 11: can emulate that by bringing it on. 1446 01:14:36,227 --> 01:14:36,387 Speaker 7: R G. 1447 01:14:36,547 --> 01:14:40,067 Speaker 11: Stamen rights as a world class Locke substitute. 1448 01:14:40,987 --> 01:14:44,587 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Scott Barrett too, Paulvai, who's really come on, and 1449 01:14:45,107 --> 01:14:48,627 Speaker 2: Patrick Tweekoloto. It's a good little a good little trio 1450 01:14:48,707 --> 01:14:52,987 Speaker 2: a good, big trio of big second rowers to choose from. Hey, 1451 01:14:52,987 --> 01:14:56,147 Speaker 2: now I've done the sums twenty three thirteen. That's thirty 1452 01:14:56,227 --> 01:15:00,307 Speaker 2: six points in that game. This morning at TWIG both 1453 01:15:00,387 --> 01:15:03,507 Speaker 2: England and Australia scored that many by themselves forty two 1454 01:15:03,667 --> 01:15:05,067 Speaker 2: thirty seven no defense. 1455 01:15:05,987 --> 01:15:08,227 Speaker 11: I know it's crazy really, but I mean, look, the 1456 01:15:08,267 --> 01:15:12,987 Speaker 11: thing is what they did though, is by picking Joe Schmidt, 1457 01:15:12,987 --> 01:15:17,187 Speaker 11: by picking Joseph Suelee was just straight away gave him 1458 01:15:17,347 --> 01:15:20,347 Speaker 11: X factor, something they've been missing. And it shows the 1459 01:15:20,467 --> 01:15:22,867 Speaker 11: difference of having an X factor player on your team. 1460 01:15:23,347 --> 01:15:26,067 Speaker 11: But the All Blacks have the opposite problem. This is 1461 01:15:26,267 --> 01:15:29,387 Speaker 11: an abundance. You know, we leave someone like you know, 1462 01:15:29,507 --> 01:15:32,427 Speaker 11: Hoskin Situso at home and then we bring you know, 1463 01:15:32,547 --> 01:15:35,907 Speaker 11: unearthed satisia Is. There's no no drama in the end 1464 01:15:35,947 --> 01:15:38,867 Speaker 11: because we were a really replacing it with X factor. 1465 01:15:38,907 --> 01:15:41,867 Speaker 11: But I think the Wallabies desperately needed that. Jorgensen and 1466 01:15:41,867 --> 01:15:43,827 Speaker 11: then his last minute to try, he's got a bit 1467 01:15:43,867 --> 01:15:46,027 Speaker 11: of that too, so it helps. And I think if 1468 01:15:46,027 --> 01:15:48,387 Speaker 11: you go back to the Island Test, that's what they missed. 1469 01:15:48,427 --> 01:15:52,147 Speaker 11: They don't really have that much X factor probably, and 1470 01:15:52,187 --> 01:15:54,627 Speaker 11: when I say expected I'm talking about athleticism that can 1471 01:15:54,667 --> 01:15:57,147 Speaker 11: just change the game. They probably haven't had that since 1472 01:15:57,187 --> 01:15:59,467 Speaker 11: Pino DRIs school. But one thing I did want to 1473 01:15:59,467 --> 01:16:03,267 Speaker 11: touch on Piney was how good can Royguard was off 1474 01:16:03,267 --> 01:16:08,067 Speaker 11: the bench. I thought he was exceptional, but in the 1475 01:16:08,187 --> 01:16:11,787 Speaker 11: in the first half, Nick Berry did poor quartiers at 1476 01:16:11,867 --> 01:16:15,187 Speaker 11: art in no favors. It was an absolute shambles. And 1477 01:16:15,747 --> 01:16:17,867 Speaker 11: you know, when you didn't give an Irish player a 1478 01:16:17,947 --> 01:16:20,507 Speaker 11: yellow card, I thought, this is the last straw of Berry, 1479 01:16:21,227 --> 01:16:24,307 Speaker 11: and then you know, the Irish fans are saying, you're 1480 01:16:24,347 --> 01:16:27,147 Speaker 11: like another all black berry, and then by the end 1481 01:16:27,147 --> 01:16:29,027 Speaker 11: of the game some of them wanted to poison Berry. 1482 01:16:29,427 --> 01:16:30,387 Speaker 11: I'm pretty sure. 1483 01:16:31,747 --> 01:16:35,507 Speaker 2: What a goose berry is. Anyway, let's move on to 1484 01:16:37,747 --> 01:16:40,267 Speaker 2: that's a little bit of home kind. But I just 1485 01:16:40,267 --> 01:16:44,067 Speaker 2: wanted to join in really more than any It's. 1486 01:16:43,947 --> 01:16:46,787 Speaker 11: A good one brainstorming with me. 1487 01:16:46,827 --> 01:16:47,347 Speaker 1: Thank you? 1488 01:16:48,227 --> 01:16:50,427 Speaker 2: Oh I love it, love it? Hey Now. Chris Wood 1489 01:16:51,187 --> 01:16:53,987 Speaker 2: has been named the Premier League's Player of the Month 1490 01:16:54,147 --> 01:16:58,947 Speaker 2: for October a Kiwi winning the Premier League's PFA Player 1491 01:16:58,947 --> 01:17:00,787 Speaker 2: of the Month, which is voted for, as I understand it, 1492 01:17:00,827 --> 01:17:02,827 Speaker 2: by his fellow professionals. 1493 01:17:02,867 --> 01:17:07,467 Speaker 16: What an akala for Chris Wood, I know, four goals 1494 01:17:07,467 --> 01:17:12,547 Speaker 16: in three games, just the difference maker owning the stage. 1495 01:17:12,867 --> 01:17:15,707 Speaker 16: And I think I said to you before that without 1496 01:17:15,707 --> 01:17:18,187 Speaker 16: Harry Kane there, they have to talk about someone, and 1497 01:17:17,907 --> 01:17:20,467 Speaker 16: it's now Chris Wood when it comes to strikers because 1498 01:17:20,467 --> 01:17:23,187 Speaker 16: you've got Erling Harlan and the next name on everybody's 1499 01:17:23,187 --> 01:17:26,267 Speaker 16: lips is Chris Wood, which is wonderful to see. I 1500 01:17:26,267 --> 01:17:28,507 Speaker 16: don't think you know, there's never been a New Zealand 1501 01:17:28,507 --> 01:17:31,147 Speaker 16: player that's one Premier League Player of the Month or 1502 01:17:31,347 --> 01:17:32,427 Speaker 16: Nottingham Forest player. 1503 01:17:32,427 --> 01:17:34,507 Speaker 11: You go back and it's all the big clubs with 1504 01:17:34,667 --> 01:17:37,347 Speaker 11: a couple of outliers. But what I think it does 1505 01:17:37,787 --> 01:17:42,427 Speaker 11: because what's happened here is Forest a third on the table, 1506 01:17:42,547 --> 01:17:45,227 Speaker 11: so you're Liverpool are first, and then man City who 1507 01:17:45,347 --> 01:17:50,627 Speaker 11: lost overnight a second. Then it's Forrest and Brighton and 1508 01:17:50,667 --> 01:17:53,787 Speaker 11: I'm thinking, could Forrest or Brighton do what listed it 1509 01:17:53,867 --> 01:17:57,947 Speaker 11: in twenty sixteen and be you know, absolute anomaly winning 1510 01:17:58,347 --> 01:18:02,547 Speaker 11: the Premier League? And well maybe they could, but unfortunately 1511 01:18:02,547 --> 01:18:04,347 Speaker 11: I think Brighton the better equipped to do it. 1512 01:18:06,427 --> 01:18:08,507 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like that too, and I don't know 1513 01:18:08,547 --> 01:18:11,707 Speaker 2: whether either of them will. I would love to see it, 1514 01:18:12,027 --> 01:18:13,827 Speaker 2: and even the Liverpool fan and me would love to 1515 01:18:13,827 --> 01:18:16,067 Speaker 2: see it because Lester is one of the all time 1516 01:18:16,227 --> 01:18:19,307 Speaker 2: great Premier League stories. But yeah, I just wonder, well, 1517 01:18:19,307 --> 01:18:21,147 Speaker 2: who knows. We're only ten or eleven games and aren't 1518 01:18:21,187 --> 01:18:23,427 Speaker 2: we so not even about a third of the way 1519 01:18:23,427 --> 01:18:25,627 Speaker 2: through the season, so who knows? But I think what 1520 01:18:25,667 --> 01:18:29,107 Speaker 2: it's done for Forrest though, is getting these points early 1521 01:18:29,147 --> 01:18:31,307 Speaker 2: in the season means that you can you can afford 1522 01:18:31,307 --> 01:18:33,147 Speaker 2: to go through a bit of a slump mid season 1523 01:18:33,267 --> 01:18:34,947 Speaker 2: or early in the new year, and you're still going 1524 01:18:35,027 --> 01:18:36,947 Speaker 2: to be okay. You're not going to find yourself in 1525 01:18:36,987 --> 01:18:39,467 Speaker 2: a relegation battle because you've already you've already banked a 1526 01:18:39,467 --> 01:18:42,387 Speaker 2: whole bunch of points at the start of the season exactly. 1527 01:18:42,427 --> 01:18:44,307 Speaker 11: And one thing, like people out there is to go, 1528 01:18:44,467 --> 01:18:46,707 Speaker 11: I'm vaguely aware of Chris Wood, what why is he 1529 01:18:46,787 --> 01:18:49,587 Speaker 11: so good? What's he like? Well, the thing about Chris 1530 01:18:49,667 --> 01:18:52,627 Speaker 11: Wood is and he doesn't get many chances and he 1531 01:18:53,347 --> 01:18:55,307 Speaker 11: buries them. So this is the thing, if you are 1532 01:18:55,627 --> 01:18:58,467 Speaker 11: if you compare him to say Gabriel Jesus, he's played 1533 01:18:58,467 --> 01:19:01,067 Speaker 11: a similar amount of games to Chris Wood and they've 1534 01:19:01,067 --> 01:19:03,467 Speaker 11: both got a similar amount of Premier League goals. Chris 1535 01:19:03,467 --> 01:19:06,787 Speaker 11: Wood is actually a head on seventy seven to Zeus 1536 01:19:07,387 --> 01:19:10,627 Speaker 11: seventy three. But bluddy Jay Zeus has played for Man 1537 01:19:10,627 --> 01:19:13,427 Speaker 11: City and Arsenal, meaning how many chances he gets every 1538 01:19:13,467 --> 01:19:16,427 Speaker 11: single game? I mean out there Chris Wood is out 1539 01:19:16,427 --> 01:19:19,747 Speaker 11: there starving for chances and makes it count and he's 1540 01:19:19,747 --> 01:19:23,107 Speaker 11: just clinical. And yeah he's a six yard box, big 1541 01:19:23,267 --> 01:19:27,627 Speaker 11: heading center forward, but he can score them from anywhere. 1542 01:19:29,067 --> 01:19:31,187 Speaker 2: Yep, they all count for one. Hey, quickly on the 1543 01:19:31,187 --> 01:19:33,867 Speaker 2: black Caps. We're in a T twenty series over in 1544 01:19:33,907 --> 01:19:35,907 Speaker 2: Sri Lanka at the moment on New Zealand one thirty 1545 01:19:35,947 --> 01:19:38,387 Speaker 2: five all out in the twentieth over. In the first one, 1546 01:19:38,427 --> 01:19:41,307 Speaker 2: Shri Lanka got there with an over despair. Zach Folks 1547 01:19:41,307 --> 01:19:45,147 Speaker 2: though he scored twenty seven off sixteen balls batting it 1548 01:19:45,427 --> 01:19:47,387 Speaker 2: twenty seven not out. That is a bet of sixteen 1549 01:19:47,387 --> 01:19:49,667 Speaker 2: balls banning at number nine and then comes out and 1550 01:19:49,947 --> 01:19:53,827 Speaker 2: gets three for twenty. Who is Zach Folks exactly? 1551 01:19:53,907 --> 01:19:56,467 Speaker 11: Good question? Who is Zach Folks? Well, he's from Canterbury. 1552 01:19:57,307 --> 01:20:00,147 Speaker 11: I think he went to Sir Andrews. He's a tall 1553 01:20:00,427 --> 01:20:03,147 Speaker 11: batting all round it, but obviously bowls pretty well as 1554 01:20:03,147 --> 01:20:07,147 Speaker 11: a medium pacer. This is the thing, the pr machine 1555 01:20:07,147 --> 01:20:09,307 Speaker 11: does not work well enough for cricket that we're going 1556 01:20:09,347 --> 01:20:11,547 Speaker 11: Who is that, folks? He made his debut in April, 1557 01:20:11,987 --> 01:20:15,067 Speaker 11: poneys and you think about any orbit that even gets 1558 01:20:15,067 --> 01:20:17,387 Speaker 11: called into the squad. We know who they are and 1559 01:20:17,467 --> 01:20:20,747 Speaker 11: what they had for breakfast with refix the sponsors. But 1560 01:20:20,787 --> 01:20:23,067 Speaker 11: this is the thing, Zach, Folks, We've got to get 1561 01:20:23,147 --> 01:20:25,467 Speaker 11: used to some of these names, because I know T 1562 01:20:25,467 --> 01:20:29,987 Speaker 11: twenty isn't that important, but we should be knowing, you know, 1563 01:20:30,067 --> 01:20:33,107 Speaker 11: newcomers to our major national teams. 1564 01:20:34,307 --> 01:20:37,387 Speaker 2: Absolutely, And just to finish, speaking of cricket, the test 1565 01:20:37,667 --> 01:20:40,907 Speaker 2: which is the Suzy Cricket documentary has been released or 1566 01:20:40,947 --> 01:20:43,987 Speaker 2: the promo has anyway, they don't mind throwing the odd 1567 01:20:43,987 --> 01:20:45,147 Speaker 2: little tenty do they? 1568 01:20:45,187 --> 01:20:50,707 Speaker 11: The Australians honestly watch this promos. It's hilarious. It's all 1569 01:20:50,747 --> 01:20:53,787 Speaker 11: the bad is Steve Smith, David Warner. I think it's 1570 01:20:53,987 --> 01:20:57,907 Speaker 11: Travis Head all losing the plot. Warner versus the water 1571 01:20:58,267 --> 01:21:02,507 Speaker 11: Bottle is particularly funny, but they are losing the plot. Meanwhile, 1572 01:21:02,507 --> 01:21:04,187 Speaker 11: the bowlers are just sort of chilling out going on. 1573 01:21:04,227 --> 01:21:07,667 Speaker 11: There they go again, and it reminds me that I've 1574 01:21:07,667 --> 01:21:09,987 Speaker 11: been at Genno for a while, Pony and I've interviewed 1575 01:21:10,347 --> 01:21:13,507 Speaker 11: so many Australian cricketers over the years, a lot of bowlers. 1576 01:21:13,907 --> 01:21:16,307 Speaker 11: Never had a problem with them, always enjoyed them. Craig 1577 01:21:16,387 --> 01:21:20,547 Speaker 11: mccermit moved tough, Shane Warren, gret Lee, great guy, Jason 1578 01:21:20,547 --> 01:21:24,467 Speaker 11: Gillispie even better, Mitchell Johnson you know, always had time 1579 01:21:24,507 --> 01:21:29,227 Speaker 11: to you. But batters all nuts, all of them, and 1580 01:21:29,867 --> 01:21:31,627 Speaker 11: I mean so am I so I can spot one. 1581 01:21:31,667 --> 01:21:35,627 Speaker 11: But I'm telling you this, Australian batners as a breed 1582 01:21:37,027 --> 01:21:39,027 Speaker 11: out out there, they're out the gates. 1583 01:21:40,467 --> 01:21:43,147 Speaker 2: Well it's proven yet again in this promo which I've 1584 01:21:43,187 --> 01:21:46,947 Speaker 2: also seen James and I can totally concur with what 1585 01:21:47,027 --> 01:21:49,427 Speaker 2: you say. Good on your mate, Always good to chat, 1586 01:21:49,467 --> 01:21:51,587 Speaker 2: Thanks for thanks for taking our callers. Always on a 1587 01:21:51,587 --> 01:21:54,427 Speaker 2: Sunday afternoon. James mccaroney, follow him on socials, He's on 1588 01:21:54,467 --> 01:21:57,987 Speaker 2: Craigo's While Alternative Commentary Collective and lots of other places 1589 01:21:58,307 --> 01:22:00,627 Speaker 2: as well. And part of our Sundays here at newstalksb 1590 01:22:00,747 --> 01:22:03,387 Speaker 2: around about this time seven away from two New Stalks. 1591 01:22:03,387 --> 01:22:08,467 Speaker 1: Even good on the track, field and the court on 1592 01:22:08,507 --> 01:22:12,307 Speaker 1: your home of sport Weekend Sport with Jason Vine News 1593 01:22:12,387 --> 01:22:12,907 Speaker 1: talks B. 1594 01:22:14,227 --> 01:22:17,867 Speaker 2: Four to two grunts, but after two o'clock, after the 1595 01:22:17,907 --> 01:22:21,347 Speaker 2: occasion of his three hundred and fiftieth All Blacks test 1596 01:22:21,867 --> 01:22:25,627 Speaker 2: as a commentator. Incredible stuff. Lots of suggestions for Kiwi 1597 01:22:25,707 --> 01:22:27,787 Speaker 2: sports people who should never buy a beer. Christian Cullen, 1598 01:22:27,867 --> 01:22:30,627 Speaker 2: John Walker, David Fagan has got to vote. I think 1599 01:22:30,627 --> 01:22:32,787 Speaker 2: Scott Dixon should have a free drink, but not while 1600 01:22:32,827 --> 01:22:35,907 Speaker 2: he's driving, says Anne, and you and Chatfield the nine 1601 01:22:35,947 --> 01:22:39,147 Speaker 2: I Express should never ever buy a beer either. Yes, 1602 01:22:39,307 --> 01:22:41,827 Speaker 2: all very good suggestions, All very good suggestions. If you 1603 01:22:41,867 --> 01:22:44,427 Speaker 2: have one, ninety two. Ninety two is the number to 1604 01:22:44,467 --> 01:22:46,707 Speaker 2: text them through to NISBO, as I say after two. 1605 01:22:46,867 --> 01:22:49,467 Speaker 2: Also inside the Kiwi Ferns camp ahead of their Pacific 1606 01:22:49,507 --> 01:22:51,387 Speaker 2: Championship final this afternoon. 1607 01:22:52,347 --> 01:22:56,587 Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues, 1608 01:22:57,267 --> 01:23:02,067 Speaker 1: the big controversies and of the big conversations. It's all 1609 01:23:02,147 --> 01:23:05,667 Speaker 1: on Weekend Sport with Jason Vine on your home of 1610 01:23:05,747 --> 01:23:07,187 Speaker 1: Sport News Talks. 1611 01:23:07,187 --> 01:23:07,707 Speaker 17: He'd been. 1612 01:23:09,387 --> 01:23:11,867 Speaker 2: Hello there and welcome in. It's coming up seven past 1613 01:23:11,867 --> 01:23:14,467 Speaker 2: time Jason Pine and McDonald's show producer. This is Weekend 1614 01:23:14,507 --> 01:23:17,827 Speaker 2: Sport until three after three. Tim Beveridge is in the 1615 01:23:17,907 --> 01:23:20,827 Speaker 2: chair for the Sunday edition of the Weekend Collective with 1616 01:23:20,907 --> 01:23:23,347 Speaker 2: all the goodness that that brings. Before we could get 1617 01:23:23,387 --> 01:23:25,147 Speaker 2: to that, though, quite a bit for us to get 1618 01:23:25,147 --> 01:23:28,187 Speaker 2: through very shortly, grunting his but's on the show off 1619 01:23:28,187 --> 01:23:31,547 Speaker 2: the back of his three hundred and fiftieth All Blacks 1620 01:23:31,627 --> 01:23:35,787 Speaker 2: test as a television commentator. Three hundred and fifty The 1621 01:23:35,787 --> 01:23:38,507 Speaker 2: All Blacks have only played six hundred and forty nine 1622 01:23:38,547 --> 01:23:41,987 Speaker 2: in their history, so well over half have had the 1623 01:23:42,067 --> 01:23:46,987 Speaker 2: voice of Grantner's but attached. He's with us shortly. Rugby League. 1624 01:23:46,987 --> 01:23:49,427 Speaker 2: Couple of big games for our national sides later on 1625 01:23:49,467 --> 01:23:52,507 Speaker 2: today ten to four this afternoon, the Kiwi Ferns take 1626 01:23:52,547 --> 01:23:56,907 Speaker 2: on the Australian Jill Rouse at Combank Stadium in Sydney. 1627 01:23:56,947 --> 01:24:00,867 Speaker 2: This is the final of the Women's Pacific Championship, and 1628 01:24:00,947 --> 01:24:04,107 Speaker 2: a little bit later on our Kiwis take on Papa 1629 01:24:04,107 --> 01:24:06,947 Speaker 2: New Guinea at the same venue. This game scheduled to 1630 01:24:07,027 --> 01:24:09,867 Speaker 2: kick off at twenty past eight tonight New Zealand time. 1631 01:24:10,187 --> 01:24:14,067 Speaker 2: This is the promotion relegation match, though, so New Zealand 1632 01:24:14,067 --> 01:24:15,867 Speaker 2: need to win it to stay in the top tier 1633 01:24:16,067 --> 01:24:19,227 Speaker 2: with Australia and Tonga. That game is at twenty past eight. 1634 01:24:19,227 --> 01:24:21,107 Speaker 2: We're going to get you inside the Kiwi Ferns camp 1635 01:24:21,227 --> 01:24:24,427 Speaker 2: this hour. Abigail Roach or Abbey I think that she 1636 01:24:24,507 --> 01:24:26,427 Speaker 2: prefers to be known, is going to have a chat 1637 01:24:26,467 --> 01:24:28,547 Speaker 2: to us. And the Wellington Phoenix men and women both 1638 01:24:28,587 --> 01:24:31,707 Speaker 2: have games today. The women are at home for the 1639 01:24:31,707 --> 01:24:34,387 Speaker 2: first time this season, putty to a park. They take 1640 01:24:34,427 --> 01:24:36,987 Speaker 2: on Campbell light It from four o'clock this afternoon, and 1641 01:24:37,027 --> 01:24:39,107 Speaker 2: the men are in Gosford where they'll take on the 1642 01:24:39,147 --> 01:24:42,627 Speaker 2: Central Coast Mariners at around six tonight. So we'll get 1643 01:24:42,627 --> 01:24:44,587 Speaker 2: you inside both camps just to set the scene for 1644 01:24:44,627 --> 01:24:48,667 Speaker 2: both of those matches. Your calls and correspondents continue to 1645 01:24:48,707 --> 01:24:51,827 Speaker 2: be welcomed, including any additions you have to our list 1646 01:24:52,467 --> 01:24:56,027 Speaker 2: of Kiwi sports people who should be unencumbered by getting 1647 01:24:56,067 --> 01:24:58,627 Speaker 2: their wallet out when they are at a bar or 1648 01:24:58,627 --> 01:25:00,627 Speaker 2: a cafe. It doesn't have to be an alcoholic drink, 1649 01:25:00,907 --> 01:25:02,387 Speaker 2: but it's says. It's a bit of a turn of 1650 01:25:02,427 --> 01:25:06,347 Speaker 2: phrasesn't I'll buy you a drink? Been putting together a list. 1651 01:25:06,387 --> 01:25:08,307 Speaker 2: We did it quite a while ago, but on the 1652 01:25:08,347 --> 01:25:10,507 Speaker 2: back of Channington Neil Wagner today we thought we said 1653 01:25:10,507 --> 01:25:12,747 Speaker 2: had some more names to it. Kiwi sports people who 1654 01:25:12,787 --> 01:25:15,267 Speaker 2: should never have to buy a drink again. You can 1655 01:25:15,267 --> 01:25:18,107 Speaker 2: text those through to nine two nine two, but with 1656 01:25:18,187 --> 01:25:20,387 Speaker 2: the time at eight and a half past two, as 1657 01:25:20,427 --> 01:25:23,027 Speaker 2: we always do it around about this time on weekend sport. 1658 01:25:23,907 --> 01:25:26,867 Speaker 2: It's a feature that some people only tune in for. 1659 01:25:27,027 --> 01:25:29,307 Speaker 2: They only dip into this feature and then they go 1660 01:25:29,347 --> 01:25:32,067 Speaker 2: and do other things. That's fine, we know you're busy. 1661 01:25:32,267 --> 01:25:34,867 Speaker 2: It's called in case you missed it. It's a wrap 1662 01:25:34,907 --> 01:25:36,827 Speaker 2: of stuff that's happened over the last twenty four hours 1663 01:25:36,907 --> 01:25:40,187 Speaker 2: or so that may have escaped your attention, Starting with 1664 01:25:40,227 --> 01:25:45,147 Speaker 2: some rugby and a storming performance for lost Pelmoss against Italy. 1665 01:25:45,827 --> 01:25:46,667 Speaker 2: Continues on his. 1666 01:25:46,627 --> 01:25:50,987 Speaker 18: Way, nice offload Albernos Velina, he started it all. Fuck 1667 01:25:51,067 --> 01:25:55,627 Speaker 18: inside it goes to tell you it's a magnificent seven 1668 01:25:56,707 --> 01:26:03,147 Speaker 18: for Argentina second half jer dominance ar. 1669 01:26:03,067 --> 01:26:07,107 Speaker 2: The dominance, indeed Argentina beating Italy fifty points to eighteen 1670 01:26:07,227 --> 01:26:10,147 Speaker 2: and their rugby international all the Black camps have started 1671 01:26:10,187 --> 01:26:13,587 Speaker 2: their T twenty series against Sri Lanka with a loss. 1672 01:26:15,867 --> 01:26:20,147 Speaker 1: Isn't it isn't an end of the cry Well logain. 1673 01:26:22,147 --> 01:26:24,347 Speaker 2: Back actually like a horn to. 1674 01:26:24,467 --> 01:26:27,627 Speaker 10: Get down with four wickets in and and and all 1675 01:26:27,627 --> 01:26:28,347 Speaker 10: we're just bound. 1676 01:26:30,267 --> 01:26:32,547 Speaker 2: Yeah, win by four wickets for Sri Lanka. Don't to 1677 01:26:32,587 --> 01:26:34,547 Speaker 2: wait very long for the second One Day International, or 1678 01:26:34,587 --> 01:26:38,187 Speaker 2: rather T twenty International that is two thirty tomorrow morning 1679 01:26:38,307 --> 01:26:43,027 Speaker 2: for game number two in the Premier League. Manchester City 1680 01:26:43,067 --> 01:26:47,947 Speaker 2: have lost two games in a row. Schwel padro able 1681 01:26:47,987 --> 01:26:49,827 Speaker 2: to Freddy Crew. It's a right. 1682 01:26:54,427 --> 01:26:55,187 Speaker 12: Turn around them. 1683 01:26:55,147 --> 01:27:02,827 Speaker 2: Complete and Manchester City's crisis deepens. I don't think it's 1684 01:27:02,827 --> 01:27:06,147 Speaker 2: a crisis, but two losses in a row for City 1685 01:27:06,547 --> 01:27:09,467 Speaker 2: it's pretty rare. Bryson winning that one too one. The 1686 01:27:09,587 --> 01:27:13,667 Speaker 2: breaks have called off from their recent hot streak in 1687 01:27:13,827 --> 01:27:17,107 Speaker 2: rather dramatic fashion. These and best performance from the Import 1688 01:27:17,147 --> 01:27:19,987 Speaker 2: another takeaway and Dame Sauce to. 1689 01:27:20,067 --> 01:27:20,827 Speaker 12: The Cup. 1690 01:27:22,187 --> 01:27:25,987 Speaker 16: And Tanzy looks like they're going to songs on unlikely victory. 1691 01:27:28,587 --> 01:27:32,267 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tasmania winning that one eighty three sixty four in 1692 01:27:32,427 --> 01:27:36,867 Speaker 2: Tasmania last night and back to rap Wallaby's beating England 1693 01:27:36,987 --> 01:27:39,547 Speaker 2: and what may well be the best rugby match of 1694 01:27:39,627 --> 01:27:39,987 Speaker 2: the year. 1695 01:27:40,507 --> 01:27:41,267 Speaker 5: It it's out for. 1696 01:27:41,347 --> 01:27:44,427 Speaker 11: Jorgenson, Max Jorgson, Max Jorginson. 1697 01:27:44,707 --> 01:27:45,827 Speaker 12: No they didn't. 1698 01:27:46,027 --> 01:27:47,307 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness me. 1699 01:27:47,987 --> 01:27:49,467 Speaker 5: Oh, it's unbelievable. 1700 01:27:51,347 --> 01:27:54,987 Speaker 3: It's one of the greatest moments in Wallaby's history and 1701 01:27:55,147 --> 01:27:57,907 Speaker 3: it belongs to Jorgenson. 1702 01:27:59,907 --> 01:28:01,827 Speaker 5: They have stunned England. 1703 01:28:02,747 --> 01:28:04,987 Speaker 1: When it's down to the line. You made a call 1704 01:28:05,187 --> 01:28:10,347 Speaker 1: on Weekend Sport with Jason pine Us talks. 1705 01:28:10,227 --> 01:28:13,947 Speaker 2: By remarkable Test match of twoking them last night forty 1706 01:28:13,987 --> 01:28:16,547 Speaker 2: two thirty seven. If you haven't seen the highlights, give 1707 01:28:16,587 --> 01:28:19,707 Speaker 2: him a look. Yeah. No defending really of any great 1708 01:28:19,827 --> 01:28:22,947 Speaker 2: note in that game, but quite the spectacle with Australia 1709 01:28:22,987 --> 01:28:25,067 Speaker 2: scoring well after the hooter to win it forty two 1710 01:28:25,147 --> 01:28:28,827 Speaker 2: points to thirty seven. It's coming up twelve past two. 1711 01:28:29,067 --> 01:28:32,547 Speaker 2: It was a milestone match yesterday for one of our 1712 01:28:32,627 --> 01:28:35,907 Speaker 2: best loved rugby commentators right at. 1713 01:28:35,907 --> 01:28:38,547 Speaker 10: Center fields, Keller. 1714 01:28:40,147 --> 01:28:42,507 Speaker 5: Randolph Ponza, Hen me go. 1715 01:28:43,187 --> 01:28:43,867 Speaker 19: Can you make it? 1716 01:28:43,987 --> 01:28:46,827 Speaker 3: You you picture Jonason? 1717 01:28:50,187 --> 01:28:53,827 Speaker 2: Yeah, the unmistakable voice of Grant nisbet as the All 1718 01:28:53,867 --> 01:28:57,347 Speaker 2: Blacks beat Ireland in Dublin yesterday morning. Grants but was 1719 01:28:57,387 --> 01:29:01,747 Speaker 2: behind the mic for his three hundred and fiftieth Test match. 1720 01:29:02,107 --> 01:29:04,787 Speaker 2: When you consider yesterday was the six hundred and forty 1721 01:29:04,947 --> 01:29:08,107 Speaker 2: ninth All Blacks Test all up and he's called three 1722 01:29:08,227 --> 01:29:10,947 Speaker 2: hundred and fifty of them, so well over half the 1723 01:29:11,067 --> 01:29:14,787 Speaker 2: feat is even more remarkable. Run As with us now 1724 01:29:14,827 --> 01:29:18,067 Speaker 2: on weekend sport. Congratulations on number three fifteen is bo. 1725 01:29:18,147 --> 01:29:20,467 Speaker 2: Can you remember much about Tease number one? 1726 01:29:21,987 --> 01:29:24,827 Speaker 7: Good a Jason look, not a lot. It's very hazy. 1727 01:29:25,827 --> 01:29:28,987 Speaker 7: Funnily enough, I probably remember Test two, three and four 1728 01:29:29,987 --> 01:29:33,147 Speaker 7: with greater clarity because that was a trip to Australia. 1729 01:29:33,707 --> 01:29:36,507 Speaker 7: The first Test was in Cross Earth against France. Other 1730 01:29:36,627 --> 01:29:39,387 Speaker 7: than the score, I can't remember anything else, but I 1731 01:29:39,427 --> 01:29:41,747 Speaker 7: do remember going on the tour to Australia. It was 1732 01:29:41,827 --> 01:29:45,107 Speaker 7: Australia under Alan Jones for the first time, and we 1733 01:29:45,187 --> 01:29:48,427 Speaker 7: actually lost the series, so it wasn't one of the 1734 01:29:48,467 --> 01:29:50,827 Speaker 7: great starts for my career. 1735 01:29:51,787 --> 01:29:55,787 Speaker 2: An auspicious start. Do you remember feeling nervous in your 1736 01:29:55,787 --> 01:29:57,067 Speaker 2: early days as a commentator? 1737 01:29:57,747 --> 01:30:01,067 Speaker 7: Yeah, look, I think I probably was because I was. 1738 01:30:01,667 --> 01:30:05,467 Speaker 7: I'd been in radio up to that point for around 1739 01:30:05,507 --> 01:30:10,067 Speaker 7: about thirteen or fourteen years, and so the transition to television, 1740 01:30:10,387 --> 01:30:15,027 Speaker 7: as you know, is, you know, it's considerable. I think 1741 01:30:15,067 --> 01:30:17,507 Speaker 7: it's more about what you don't say as opposed to 1742 01:30:17,587 --> 01:30:21,307 Speaker 7: what you do say, and so I'm sort of thinking 1743 01:30:21,427 --> 01:30:24,027 Speaker 7: back and I'd imagine I would have been quite nervous 1744 01:30:24,027 --> 01:30:24,347 Speaker 7: about it. 1745 01:30:25,747 --> 01:30:29,267 Speaker 2: Was there anybody early on in your television career. Who 1746 01:30:29,427 --> 01:30:32,347 Speaker 2: was particularly helpful to you and making the transition and 1747 01:30:33,107 --> 01:30:35,307 Speaker 2: developing your craft as a television commentator. 1748 01:30:35,787 --> 01:30:40,067 Speaker 7: Yeah, look, undoubtedly Keith Quinn, because I sort of took 1749 01:30:40,147 --> 01:30:44,467 Speaker 7: over from him. He was pushed into administration in a 1750 01:30:44,547 --> 01:30:48,467 Speaker 7: way rather reluctantly, I might say, And so that's why 1751 01:30:48,627 --> 01:30:51,387 Speaker 7: I actually started at TV and Z. But he was 1752 01:30:51,587 --> 01:30:54,987 Speaker 7: always helpful and always has been to this very day, 1753 01:30:55,067 --> 01:30:56,747 Speaker 7: to be perfectly honest, because he was one of the 1754 01:30:56,787 --> 01:31:01,227 Speaker 7: pioneers of doing rugby television in the very early days, 1755 01:31:01,867 --> 01:31:06,107 Speaker 7: and he was outstanding really and helped me along the 1756 01:31:06,107 --> 01:31:06,747 Speaker 7: way for sure. 1757 01:31:08,107 --> 01:31:11,307 Speaker 2: So here we are now, three hundred and fifty test matches. 1758 01:31:11,587 --> 01:31:15,227 Speaker 2: Why do you think you've had such incredible longevity. 1759 01:31:16,907 --> 01:31:19,747 Speaker 7: Oh, look, I don't know, to be honest, I don't 1760 01:31:19,947 --> 01:31:23,907 Speaker 7: seem to attract a lot of criticism, Jason. I know 1761 01:31:24,027 --> 01:31:27,147 Speaker 7: people have got opinions on comments, people and all the 1762 01:31:27,227 --> 01:31:31,027 Speaker 7: rest of it. But somehow I've managed, somehow to fly 1763 01:31:31,187 --> 01:31:34,667 Speaker 7: under the radar with it. I don't know, And I 1764 01:31:34,747 --> 01:31:37,387 Speaker 7: guess it's a bit of a triumph for longevity, isn't it. Really. 1765 01:31:37,467 --> 01:31:40,747 Speaker 7: If you stick around long enough and people like you enough, 1766 01:31:41,107 --> 01:31:43,507 Speaker 7: then I guess these milestones are just going to turn 1767 01:31:43,627 --> 01:31:46,227 Speaker 7: up along the way. And you know, having been doing 1768 01:31:46,347 --> 01:31:49,427 Speaker 7: the job now for forty years, that sounds even silly 1769 01:31:49,507 --> 01:31:53,907 Speaker 7: to say forty years. You know these milestones arrive at 1770 01:31:53,947 --> 01:31:54,307 Speaker 7: some point. 1771 01:31:55,267 --> 01:31:57,627 Speaker 2: Well I guess so. I guess so you're probably downplaying 1772 01:31:57,667 --> 01:32:00,787 Speaker 2: it just to touch. But has the way that you 1773 01:32:01,187 --> 01:32:04,147 Speaker 2: prepare for test matches changed much over. 1774 01:32:04,027 --> 01:32:07,507 Speaker 7: The years, No, not really. No, I still over prepare. 1775 01:32:08,387 --> 01:32:10,307 Speaker 7: I have far too much stuff with me, and when 1776 01:32:10,347 --> 01:32:11,907 Speaker 7: I look back at it, I think I never used that. 1777 01:32:12,027 --> 01:32:15,507 Speaker 7: I never used that. I never used that. But there 1778 01:32:15,547 --> 01:32:17,947 Speaker 7: are some important things that, you know, little milestones that 1779 01:32:18,027 --> 01:32:19,947 Speaker 7: might pop up on the game, but they don't, so 1780 01:32:20,107 --> 01:32:23,187 Speaker 7: don't get to use them. I write down every name 1781 01:32:23,267 --> 01:32:25,027 Speaker 7: of the player, and I'm sure you do this with 1782 01:32:25,147 --> 01:32:27,427 Speaker 7: your football commentary, write down all the names and little 1783 01:32:27,507 --> 01:32:31,667 Speaker 7: notes against each player, and much of which you never used. 1784 01:32:31,667 --> 01:32:33,747 Speaker 7: I once had a chat with a great Bill McLaren 1785 01:32:34,027 --> 01:32:36,827 Speaker 7: he was out here and got the opportunity to meet him, 1786 01:32:36,827 --> 01:32:40,987 Speaker 7: which was a real pleasure, and asked him about preparation actually, 1787 01:32:41,027 --> 01:32:44,267 Speaker 7: and he said, look, I just over prepare. He said, 1788 01:32:44,427 --> 01:32:47,867 Speaker 7: if I used five or maybe ten percent of what 1789 01:32:47,987 --> 01:32:50,347 Speaker 7: I write down, I'd be very surprised. He said, but 1790 01:32:50,427 --> 01:32:53,947 Speaker 7: it's just it's just kind of an insurance policy. It's 1791 01:32:53,987 --> 01:32:56,987 Speaker 7: there if you need it. And also I find when 1792 01:32:57,027 --> 01:32:59,387 Speaker 7: I'm writing things down that I retain it. If I 1793 01:32:59,467 --> 01:33:02,387 Speaker 7: write it down on paper, I do retain it just 1794 01:33:02,467 --> 01:33:05,907 Speaker 7: for the duration of the match. Really, So yeah, look, 1795 01:33:05,947 --> 01:33:08,747 Speaker 7: I do as I say, I probably over prepare. 1796 01:33:09,747 --> 01:33:12,907 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's fairly common among other commentators I've 1797 01:33:12,907 --> 01:33:16,427 Speaker 2: spoken to as well. Do you have any Test matches 1798 01:33:16,507 --> 01:33:18,467 Speaker 2: that particularly stand out in this bow. 1799 01:33:19,547 --> 01:33:24,387 Speaker 7: Yeah, Look, there's been a few. Initially, one that really 1800 01:33:24,427 --> 01:33:27,227 Speaker 7: stood out was the Baby Blacks win over France, and 1801 01:33:27,267 --> 01:33:29,107 Speaker 7: there was quite a backstory to that. Of course, the 1802 01:33:29,187 --> 01:33:32,547 Speaker 7: All Blacks we denied the trip to South Africa, and 1803 01:33:32,627 --> 01:33:34,947 Speaker 7: then some of them went on a cavaliers tour and 1804 01:33:35,027 --> 01:33:38,387 Speaker 7: when the French team came here, the Baby Blacks they 1805 01:33:38,427 --> 01:33:41,227 Speaker 7: were called, were chosen from players who had decided not 1806 01:33:41,427 --> 01:33:44,107 Speaker 7: to go to South Africa. So they were very inexperienced 1807 01:33:44,747 --> 01:33:50,187 Speaker 7: and they had this triumphavor France in christ Church. A 1808 01:33:50,267 --> 01:33:52,467 Speaker 7: couple of others that spring to mind the seventy six 1809 01:33:52,587 --> 01:33:55,227 Speaker 7: Tour of South Africa, sorry, the ninety six Tour of 1810 01:33:55,267 --> 01:33:58,387 Speaker 7: South Africa, when the All Blacks had an opportunity to 1811 01:33:58,427 --> 01:34:01,187 Speaker 7: win the series for the first time ever. They'd been 1812 01:34:01,227 --> 01:34:03,187 Speaker 7: going to South Africa for a long long time and 1813 01:34:03,267 --> 01:34:05,747 Speaker 7: had always been denied the opportunity to win the series. 1814 01:34:05,787 --> 01:34:09,707 Speaker 7: But in ninety six and happened in Pretoria. That was 1815 01:34:09,787 --> 01:34:13,507 Speaker 7: a memorable game for many many reasons. Two thousand and 1816 01:34:13,587 --> 01:34:15,707 Speaker 7: Sydney when Jonas scored at the end, and of course 1817 01:34:15,707 --> 01:34:19,707 Speaker 7: the World Cups are hard to deny those two to 1818 01:34:19,707 --> 01:34:25,587 Speaker 7: eleven here in Auckland and two fifteen in Twickenham in London, 1819 01:34:25,667 --> 01:34:29,307 Speaker 7: which I think is probably the best game I've seen 1820 01:34:29,707 --> 01:34:33,387 Speaker 7: because of the implications world Cup final and also an 1821 01:34:33,427 --> 01:34:35,747 Speaker 7: open game. Often World Cup finals are not that open. 1822 01:34:35,827 --> 01:34:38,987 Speaker 7: They quite boring at times, and that particular one in 1823 01:34:39,027 --> 01:34:40,747 Speaker 7: two fifteen was quite outstanding. 1824 01:34:41,587 --> 01:34:44,187 Speaker 2: You've had the chance to travel around the world to 1825 01:34:44,267 --> 01:34:46,227 Speaker 2: watch the All Blacks play and other teams as well. 1826 01:34:46,307 --> 01:34:48,507 Speaker 2: Do you have any favorite test venues. 1827 01:34:49,787 --> 01:34:54,187 Speaker 7: Overseas? Yeah, Look, I think the one I most enjoy 1828 01:34:54,307 --> 01:34:58,187 Speaker 7: going to is the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, which of 1829 01:34:58,267 --> 01:35:00,267 Speaker 7: course was done up for the World Cup in I 1830 01:35:00,387 --> 01:35:04,587 Speaker 7: think ninety one. Prior to that, it was the cat 1831 01:35:04,627 --> 01:35:08,027 Speaker 7: Off Arms Park. This whole ground right in the middle 1832 01:35:08,027 --> 01:35:09,987 Speaker 7: of the city. You couldn't get any more in the 1833 01:35:10,027 --> 01:35:13,227 Speaker 7: middle of the city in Cardiff, and of course it's 1834 01:35:13,267 --> 01:35:15,667 Speaker 7: got the retractable roof as well, so it's got everything 1835 01:35:15,747 --> 01:35:19,827 Speaker 7: going for it as the Millennium Stadium and dear old Twickenham, 1836 01:35:20,307 --> 01:35:22,787 Speaker 7: which they've upgraded a fair bit over the years, that's 1837 01:35:22,867 --> 01:35:26,427 Speaker 7: outstanding as well. It's a hard place to take a 1838 01:35:26,507 --> 01:35:29,067 Speaker 7: loss at and I've been there three times when it's happened, 1839 01:35:29,107 --> 01:35:33,667 Speaker 7: but nevertheless it remains a great ground and funnily enough, 1840 01:35:33,707 --> 01:35:36,867 Speaker 7: and this will appealed to you, Jason. I'm sure San 1841 01:35:37,027 --> 01:35:41,227 Speaker 7: Sero in Milan is unbelievable. The All Blacks played there 1842 01:35:41,267 --> 01:35:43,467 Speaker 7: and of course it's the home ground for Inter and 1843 01:35:44,067 --> 01:35:49,227 Speaker 7: also the other Milan team, AC and we had the 1844 01:35:49,307 --> 01:35:51,107 Speaker 7: opportunity on the Friday to go down and have a 1845 01:35:51,107 --> 01:35:54,107 Speaker 7: look at the dressing rooms for the respective teams and 1846 01:35:54,707 --> 01:35:57,427 Speaker 7: oh boy, oh boy, you've never seen anything like it. 1847 01:35:59,147 --> 01:36:01,467 Speaker 2: Yeah, amazing stuff. You've always said. I've heard you say 1848 01:36:01,507 --> 01:36:05,107 Speaker 2: this often that Christian Cullen is your favorite All Black. 1849 01:36:05,147 --> 01:36:06,067 Speaker 2: Does that still stand? 1850 01:36:07,187 --> 01:36:11,347 Speaker 7: Yeah, look it does, it does, and probably always well. 1851 01:36:11,387 --> 01:36:13,507 Speaker 7: To be honest, I know that I've been around when 1852 01:36:13,507 --> 01:36:16,187 Speaker 7: there's been some absolute legends of the game, and you 1853 01:36:16,267 --> 01:36:19,747 Speaker 7: can't go past the likes of Michael Jones, Richie McCaw, 1854 01:36:20,107 --> 01:36:24,067 Speaker 7: Dan Carter and so it goes on. But for me, 1855 01:36:24,907 --> 01:36:28,107 Speaker 7: Christian Callen had it all. He just hand that ability 1856 01:36:28,227 --> 01:36:30,507 Speaker 7: to pop up when he got the ball in hand. 1857 01:36:30,587 --> 01:36:35,827 Speaker 7: He was almost unstoppable. A link player, didn't have the 1858 01:36:36,027 --> 01:36:39,667 Speaker 7: sides there, he somehow glided round people. And he was 1859 01:36:39,667 --> 01:36:42,987 Speaker 7: also a great defender and he played it excellent here, 1860 01:36:43,147 --> 01:36:44,587 Speaker 7: didn't he When you think of the blokes who he 1861 01:36:44,787 --> 01:36:47,627 Speaker 7: was surrounded by, the Umangers and the Lamos and these 1862 01:36:47,707 --> 01:36:50,547 Speaker 7: sort of blokes. But to me, an absolute standout. 1863 01:36:51,627 --> 01:36:53,467 Speaker 2: Indeed, are you used to be able to watch a 1864 01:36:53,507 --> 01:36:56,427 Speaker 2: game of rugby that you're not commentating just for the 1865 01:36:56,507 --> 01:36:58,067 Speaker 2: pleasure of watching a game of rugby? 1866 01:36:58,747 --> 01:37:02,147 Speaker 7: Yes, I think, yes I am. I'm a bit of 1867 01:37:02,187 --> 01:37:05,067 Speaker 7: a fanboy to be honest. I mean I haven't seen 1868 01:37:05,147 --> 01:37:08,307 Speaker 7: it yet, but when I finally do get the opportunity, 1869 01:37:08,347 --> 01:37:10,667 Speaker 7: I'll certainly tune in and have a look at that 1870 01:37:11,147 --> 01:37:12,627 Speaker 7: what must have been a hell of a game at 1871 01:37:12,627 --> 01:37:17,627 Speaker 7: twicken Them overnight between Australia and England. You know, I 1872 01:37:17,707 --> 01:37:19,307 Speaker 7: don't want to just see the highlights. I want to 1873 01:37:19,307 --> 01:37:21,347 Speaker 7: see the whole damn game, and I've recorded it and 1874 01:37:21,507 --> 01:37:24,707 Speaker 7: I'll have a look. So yes, I mean some games 1875 01:37:24,747 --> 01:37:27,827 Speaker 7: are better than others. You might get some provincial games 1876 01:37:27,867 --> 01:37:31,747 Speaker 7: and you think, but you know, you take the good 1877 01:37:31,787 --> 01:37:33,387 Speaker 7: with the bad, and it's the same in any sport. 1878 01:37:33,507 --> 01:37:37,107 Speaker 2: Really, indeed, And do you believe you can you can 1879 01:37:37,187 --> 01:37:40,827 Speaker 2: still be an all Blacks fan while working in the 1880 01:37:41,227 --> 01:37:42,907 Speaker 2: rugby broadcast industry. 1881 01:37:43,547 --> 01:37:45,387 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a hell of a good question. I am 1882 01:37:45,427 --> 01:37:47,267 Speaker 7: an all black fan, there's no doubt about it. But 1883 01:37:47,387 --> 01:37:53,547 Speaker 7: you have to disassociate yourself at WEBERD because your job 1884 01:37:53,667 --> 01:37:56,587 Speaker 7: is effectively to make sure that the mail gets through, 1885 01:37:57,227 --> 01:38:00,147 Speaker 7: that it's a good broadcast. That's my major concern. People 1886 01:38:00,187 --> 01:38:02,147 Speaker 7: often say to me these days, do you get nervous? 1887 01:38:02,187 --> 01:38:03,627 Speaker 7: And I say no, I don't get nervous. I get 1888 01:38:03,627 --> 01:38:06,907 Speaker 7: a bit anxious about the broadcast being a you know, 1889 01:38:07,427 --> 01:38:09,387 Speaker 7: and it's a team game, and I liken it to 1890 01:38:09,427 --> 01:38:13,227 Speaker 7: a team game because you know, it's not just it's 1891 01:38:13,307 --> 01:38:16,787 Speaker 7: not just the front people or the commentators that make 1892 01:38:16,867 --> 01:38:20,227 Speaker 7: it that way. You've got to have producers, directors, cameramen, 1893 01:38:20,547 --> 01:38:24,307 Speaker 7: sound people, EVS, which is the replays and things. All 1894 01:38:24,387 --> 01:38:28,267 Speaker 7: of these things have to come together. So I hope 1895 01:38:28,307 --> 01:38:32,107 Speaker 7: I don't sound like a fanboy, but I generally sit 1896 01:38:32,187 --> 01:38:34,547 Speaker 7: in the commentary box when the All Blacks are playing, 1897 01:38:34,627 --> 01:38:38,267 Speaker 7: hoping like hell they win. But if they don't win, 1898 01:38:38,387 --> 01:38:41,107 Speaker 7: then I kind of have to reflect the disappointment as well. 1899 01:38:41,907 --> 01:38:44,347 Speaker 2: Absolutely right, So what do you reckon? The final number 1900 01:38:44,427 --> 01:38:47,907 Speaker 2: might be three point fifty and counting. What are you 1901 01:38:47,947 --> 01:38:49,147 Speaker 2: reckon the final number is going to be? 1902 01:38:49,667 --> 01:38:52,467 Speaker 7: Oh, my goodness, I don't know. I don't know. Put 1903 01:38:52,507 --> 01:38:55,507 Speaker 7: it this way, I've got I've got a contract through 1904 01:38:55,547 --> 01:38:58,507 Speaker 7: to the end of next year, so that well, presumably 1905 01:38:58,587 --> 01:39:02,067 Speaker 7: I'll add a few and then we'll take stock. We've 1906 01:39:02,107 --> 01:39:04,707 Speaker 7: got an age factor here, Jason, I'm not as young 1907 01:39:04,747 --> 01:39:04,987 Speaker 7: as I. 1908 01:39:05,067 --> 01:39:05,347 Speaker 8: Used to be. 1909 01:39:06,467 --> 01:39:10,107 Speaker 2: Well, you'd never tell. You'd never tell from listening to 1910 01:39:10,107 --> 01:39:11,907 Speaker 2: this though. Look, I just want to say you've always 1911 01:39:11,987 --> 01:39:15,027 Speaker 2: been extremely supportive of others in the industry as well, 1912 01:39:15,107 --> 01:39:17,547 Speaker 2: given guidance and advice to so many people, me included. 1913 01:39:17,907 --> 01:39:19,947 Speaker 2: So from a personal point of view, I want to 1914 01:39:19,947 --> 01:39:23,387 Speaker 2: thank you for that and congratulate you on a magnificent 1915 01:39:23,467 --> 01:39:26,307 Speaker 2: milestone in a career which isn't done yet. Well done 1916 01:39:26,347 --> 01:39:27,947 Speaker 2: on the three fifty. May there be manymore. 1917 01:39:28,707 --> 01:39:31,907 Speaker 7: Thanks very much, Jason, and it's been a pleasure to 1918 01:39:31,987 --> 01:39:34,067 Speaker 7: do it. And that's the thing that you've got to remember. 1919 01:39:34,147 --> 01:39:37,027 Speaker 7: It's a real honor to be able to talk about 1920 01:39:37,427 --> 01:39:41,387 Speaker 7: New Zealand's most iconic sporting brand and get paid to 1921 01:39:41,427 --> 01:39:42,667 Speaker 7: do it. It's just fantastic. 1922 01:39:43,707 --> 01:39:46,267 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's certainly the best job in the world. Well, 1923 01:39:46,627 --> 01:39:49,667 Speaker 2: I haven't found anything better, and I know you haven't either. 1924 01:39:49,867 --> 01:39:52,267 Speaker 2: There's both good on you, mate, Thanks. Indeed, Gruntner's but 1925 01:39:52,707 --> 01:39:56,427 Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty not out yesterday, his three hundred 1926 01:39:56,427 --> 01:39:58,867 Speaker 2: and fiftieth television commentary of the All Blacks, remembering, of 1927 01:39:58,947 --> 01:40:01,347 Speaker 2: course they had done radio for a long time before that, 1928 01:40:01,507 --> 01:40:05,307 Speaker 2: so add that to his television commentaries, and man, I 1929 01:40:05,347 --> 01:40:08,507 Speaker 2: don't think there's anybody who would have been behind a 1930 01:40:08,707 --> 01:40:11,907 Speaker 2: microphone more often for an All Blacks test than Granted has. 1931 01:40:11,947 --> 01:40:13,667 Speaker 2: But in fact I know that there isn't. Even the 1932 01:40:13,827 --> 01:40:17,627 Speaker 2: great Keith Quinn, who did both radio and television. I 1933 01:40:17,667 --> 01:40:20,347 Speaker 2: don't think was able to clock up the numbers that 1934 01:40:20,467 --> 01:40:23,867 Speaker 2: Nisbo had, not that it's a competition. Both absolutely terrific 1935 01:40:23,907 --> 01:40:27,187 Speaker 2: blokes and in fact text through here Jason add Grantners 1936 01:40:27,187 --> 01:40:31,827 Speaker 2: but and Keith Quinn to your list of Kiwi sportspeople 1937 01:40:31,867 --> 01:40:34,787 Speaker 2: who should never ever put their hand in their pocket 1938 01:40:35,067 --> 01:40:38,907 Speaker 2: for a drink again. It can totally add those two 1939 01:40:38,947 --> 01:40:42,187 Speaker 2: to the list. Hugh says. Pininibo's a professional. That's why 1940 01:40:42,307 --> 01:40:46,507 Speaker 2: he has lasted so long. Que totally encapsulated yep a pro, 1941 01:40:46,827 --> 01:40:50,267 Speaker 2: a total pro. After three hundred and fifty games or 1942 01:40:50,347 --> 01:40:53,747 Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty times doing anything, I think you 1943 01:40:53,787 --> 01:40:58,107 Speaker 2: could forgive somebody for you know, maybe dialing it in, 1944 01:40:59,067 --> 01:41:01,587 Speaker 2: for just taking it easy, for not doing the prep 1945 01:41:01,667 --> 01:41:04,827 Speaker 2: that is required. But I've seen Grantner's but it's prep 1946 01:41:05,467 --> 01:41:08,827 Speaker 2: the notes that he brought along to test matches. Been 1947 01:41:08,907 --> 01:41:11,947 Speaker 2: lucky enough to be alongside him in a radio capacity. 1948 01:41:12,667 --> 01:41:14,987 Speaker 2: Look and you look through the glass at where the 1949 01:41:15,027 --> 01:41:19,027 Speaker 2: TV guys are, and just the preparation that he has 1950 01:41:19,147 --> 01:41:21,787 Speaker 2: clearly done. And as he said, then you might use 1951 01:41:21,867 --> 01:41:24,267 Speaker 2: five or ten percent of it, but it's like the 1952 01:41:24,387 --> 01:41:27,507 Speaker 2: safety blanket. And plus it helps reinforce in your mind 1953 01:41:28,187 --> 01:41:30,467 Speaker 2: the job that you're there to do, the information about 1954 01:41:30,507 --> 01:41:32,507 Speaker 2: the teams and all that sort of thing. So, yeah, 1955 01:41:32,547 --> 01:41:35,867 Speaker 2: three hundred and fifty for Grantners, but a magnificent achievement. 1956 01:41:36,027 --> 01:41:38,747 Speaker 2: Get the chance to chat to him. Two twenty five. 1957 01:41:38,787 --> 01:41:40,587 Speaker 2: It is on News Talks. He'd b we'll take a break. 1958 01:41:40,627 --> 01:41:42,747 Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll get you across the Tasman 1959 01:41:42,827 --> 01:41:45,787 Speaker 2: to where the Kiwi Ferns are. They've got the Pacific 1960 01:41:45,907 --> 01:41:50,667 Speaker 2: Nation Championship Women's Rugby League Final against Australia in Sydney 1961 01:41:50,987 --> 01:41:54,787 Speaker 2: this afternoon ten to four kickoff. Abby Roach is one 1962 01:41:54,827 --> 01:41:56,587 Speaker 2: of their key players. She'll join us for a chat 1963 01:41:56,627 --> 01:41:56,907 Speaker 2: after this. 1964 01:41:58,307 --> 01:42:01,227 Speaker 1: You be the TMO. Have your say on eight hundred 1965 01:42:01,307 --> 01:42:05,987 Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty weekends for It with Jason him and GJ. Gunnomes, 1966 01:42:06,347 --> 01:42:09,307 Speaker 1: New Zealand's most trusted home builder News talksb. 1967 01:42:10,507 --> 01:42:13,107 Speaker 2: It is two twenty eight on weekend Sport Hero on 1968 01:42:13,187 --> 01:42:16,987 Speaker 2: News Talks AB. The Kiwi Ferns play the Pacific Championship 1969 01:42:17,147 --> 01:42:20,627 Speaker 2: Women's Rugby League Final against Australia this afternoon ten to 1970 01:42:20,787 --> 01:42:24,627 Speaker 2: four New Zealand Time at Combank Stadium in Sydney, looking 1971 01:42:24,747 --> 01:42:27,347 Speaker 2: to defend the they won last year when they beat 1972 01:42:27,387 --> 01:42:30,787 Speaker 2: the same opposition, the Jillarus twelve to six in the 1973 01:42:30,907 --> 01:42:33,987 Speaker 2: final in Melbourne. This year, they had the fourteen nil 1974 01:42:34,107 --> 01:42:37,627 Speaker 2: loss to Australia in christ Church, then went to Port 1975 01:42:37,747 --> 01:42:40,227 Speaker 2: Moresby in Papua New Guinea and beat the home side 1976 01:42:40,307 --> 01:42:43,587 Speaker 2: thirty six nil to qualify for the final. This afternoon, 1977 01:42:43,867 --> 01:42:47,787 Speaker 2: let's bring in Kiwi Ferns Center, Abby, Roach, Abby, thanks 1978 01:42:47,827 --> 01:42:49,627 Speaker 2: for taking the time for a chat. How's the build 1979 01:42:49,707 --> 01:42:52,427 Speaker 2: up been to this test since you arrived in Sydney 1980 01:42:52,747 --> 01:42:55,787 Speaker 2: after the win over Papua New Guinea in Port Moresby. 1981 01:42:56,787 --> 01:42:58,347 Speaker 20: Hey, it's been awesome. 1982 01:42:58,507 --> 01:43:01,707 Speaker 21: I think our experience in PNG really brought us together 1983 01:43:02,667 --> 01:43:05,307 Speaker 21: culturally and just it was an awesome experience what we 1984 01:43:05,427 --> 01:43:07,747 Speaker 21: got to see over there and what we got to 1985 01:43:07,867 --> 01:43:10,227 Speaker 21: do for the community of there, which was awesome. So 1986 01:43:10,267 --> 01:43:12,267 Speaker 21: I think we really connected and we were firing to go. 1987 01:43:12,747 --> 01:43:15,307 Speaker 2: And what about on the field a thirty six nil win, 1988 01:43:15,547 --> 01:43:17,987 Speaker 2: it seems comprehensive. Do you take quite a bit of 1989 01:43:18,027 --> 01:43:20,307 Speaker 2: confidence from the way you played in that game as well? 1990 01:43:22,867 --> 01:43:24,987 Speaker 21: I think it was definitely a tough battle out there, 1991 01:43:25,067 --> 01:43:27,067 Speaker 21: and there are a few things that we wanted to 1992 01:43:27,187 --> 01:43:30,027 Speaker 21: improve on coming from that game. But I think the 1993 01:43:30,147 --> 01:43:32,747 Speaker 21: last two trainings that we've had we've tried to really 1994 01:43:34,147 --> 01:43:36,147 Speaker 21: pretty much. I saw the things that we've had to 1995 01:43:36,467 --> 01:43:39,147 Speaker 21: try and improve on, and I think it's been really good. 1996 01:43:39,827 --> 01:43:42,907 Speaker 2: What sort of improvement areas have you been encouraged to 1997 01:43:42,987 --> 01:43:44,547 Speaker 2: kind of work on by the coaching staff. 1998 01:43:46,707 --> 01:43:49,867 Speaker 21: I think it's just really owning our own individual roles 1999 01:43:49,987 --> 01:43:51,947 Speaker 21: to kind of come together in the end. I think 2000 01:43:52,427 --> 01:43:56,347 Speaker 21: that's been a massive focus, is just trying to nail 2001 01:43:56,427 --> 01:43:59,427 Speaker 21: all the key individual roles to get us going all 2002 01:43:59,467 --> 01:44:01,827 Speaker 21: together and just really connecting as a team. 2003 01:44:02,267 --> 01:44:04,267 Speaker 2: Of course, you played Australia a couple of weeks ago, 2004 01:44:04,507 --> 01:44:08,267 Speaker 2: they beat you fourteen nail what can you take from 2005 01:44:08,347 --> 01:44:10,267 Speaker 2: that game that'll be useful in this one. 2006 01:44:13,387 --> 01:44:14,147 Speaker 20: I think it's just. 2007 01:44:15,707 --> 01:44:17,587 Speaker 21: Staying in the grind and staying in the grind of 2008 01:44:17,627 --> 01:44:21,587 Speaker 21: the cycle and just obviously there's going to be pressure, 2009 01:44:21,627 --> 01:44:24,267 Speaker 21: but just connecting as a team and just working together 2010 01:44:24,427 --> 01:44:27,227 Speaker 21: and finding that extra grit to get us over the line. 2011 01:44:27,627 --> 01:44:29,587 Speaker 2: Do you take confidence from the fact that a year 2012 01:44:29,667 --> 01:44:32,507 Speaker 2: ago you beat Australia in the in the final of 2013 01:44:32,547 --> 01:44:34,147 Speaker 2: the Pacific Championship last year? 2014 01:44:37,587 --> 01:44:40,027 Speaker 21: I think it definitely gives us confidence that we can 2015 01:44:40,107 --> 01:44:42,267 Speaker 21: do it. But I think like every year is a 2016 01:44:42,307 --> 01:44:44,507 Speaker 21: different year. There's new teams, there's new players, so I 2017 01:44:44,547 --> 01:44:47,667 Speaker 21: think we've kind of we've kept that in the back 2018 01:44:47,747 --> 01:44:49,747 Speaker 21: of our in the back of our minds, but we're 2019 01:44:49,827 --> 01:44:52,147 Speaker 21: just starting fresh and we're just trying to grow with 2020 01:44:52,227 --> 01:44:54,267 Speaker 21: what we have now and what we've learned this year. 2021 01:44:54,747 --> 01:44:57,147 Speaker 2: All right, for you personally, Abby, I know you've played 2022 01:44:57,187 --> 01:44:59,467 Speaker 2: in the centers and in the halves. Do you have 2023 01:45:00,027 --> 01:45:00,667 Speaker 2: a preference? 2024 01:45:02,827 --> 01:45:04,547 Speaker 20: I think definitely the centers. I think. 2025 01:45:06,067 --> 01:45:08,267 Speaker 21: That's where I've kind of molded myself at the moment, 2026 01:45:08,347 --> 01:45:10,027 Speaker 21: and that's where I feel most comfortable. 2027 01:45:10,747 --> 01:45:14,107 Speaker 2: And of course you've played both rugby league and rugby 2028 01:45:14,187 --> 01:45:17,547 Speaker 2: as well. I know at the moment, obviously you're focusing 2029 01:45:17,627 --> 01:45:20,667 Speaker 2: on the thirteenth game. Does that feel like where your 2030 01:45:20,707 --> 01:45:22,547 Speaker 2: future lies in the thirteenth game? Or can you see 2031 01:45:22,587 --> 01:45:26,067 Speaker 2: yourself at some stage playing rugby union again? 2032 01:45:28,427 --> 01:45:32,227 Speaker 21: I think at the moment, all I'm focusing on is 2033 01:45:32,307 --> 01:45:35,147 Speaker 21: rugby league. But I think I can't really tell what 2034 01:45:35,147 --> 01:45:37,347 Speaker 21: will happen in the future, so I guess I don't 2035 01:45:37,347 --> 01:45:37,627 Speaker 21: really know. 2036 01:45:37,667 --> 01:45:40,027 Speaker 20: I guess I'm open to it, but my focus is here. 2037 01:45:40,507 --> 01:45:43,387 Speaker 2: Is there anything I don't know if it's a sleek 2038 01:45:43,467 --> 01:45:45,747 Speaker 2: question or not. Are there things that are transferable across 2039 01:45:45,827 --> 01:45:46,067 Speaker 2: the two? 2040 01:45:48,227 --> 01:45:48,907 Speaker 20: I think definitely. 2041 01:45:49,027 --> 01:45:52,347 Speaker 21: I think the foundational skills of rugby, just the catch 2042 01:45:52,427 --> 01:45:57,507 Speaker 21: pass and all that stuff, is definitely referrable and transitional. 2043 01:45:57,627 --> 01:46:01,067 Speaker 21: But I think the contact in league is definitely the 2044 01:46:01,187 --> 01:46:02,747 Speaker 21: difference and the harder part of it. 2045 01:46:02,907 --> 01:46:06,787 Speaker 2: But yeah, do you enjoy that? I'm not being contector, 2046 01:46:06,867 --> 01:46:09,627 Speaker 2: but you know, do you enjoy the physical contact side 2047 01:46:09,667 --> 01:46:10,347 Speaker 2: of rugby league? 2048 01:46:11,947 --> 01:46:12,467 Speaker 7: I think I do. 2049 01:46:12,627 --> 01:46:15,707 Speaker 21: I think I love just getting the ball in sort 2050 01:46:15,707 --> 01:46:17,747 Speaker 21: of running, and I think in the fifteens game it's 2051 01:46:18,227 --> 01:46:20,867 Speaker 21: it's a bit harder off. I found myself to kind 2052 01:46:20,907 --> 01:46:22,587 Speaker 21: of get involved in the game, whereas Lee you can 2053 01:46:22,707 --> 01:46:24,867 Speaker 21: just you can have a run every set. You can 2054 01:46:24,947 --> 01:46:27,747 Speaker 21: kind of get over your mistakes a bit earlier because 2055 01:46:27,747 --> 01:46:29,307 Speaker 21: you can just get a good tackle, you can get 2056 01:46:29,307 --> 01:46:29,827 Speaker 21: a good run in. 2057 01:46:30,667 --> 01:46:33,107 Speaker 2: You come from a pretty high performing sporting family. Of course, 2058 01:46:33,147 --> 01:46:35,867 Speaker 2: both your brothers, Nathaniel and Paul have played for the Warriors. 2059 01:46:36,467 --> 01:46:38,947 Speaker 2: How big an influence have they been on you? 2060 01:46:41,187 --> 01:46:42,027 Speaker 20: They've been massive. 2061 01:46:42,067 --> 01:46:46,387 Speaker 21: I think the eldest brother, Nathaniel, he really pretty much 2062 01:46:46,467 --> 01:46:49,227 Speaker 21: paved the way for us. He he provided so much 2063 01:46:49,307 --> 01:46:51,027 Speaker 21: for us and he kind of showed us that there 2064 01:46:51,187 --> 01:46:53,707 Speaker 21: was a pathway there. And he's been he's been a 2065 01:46:53,747 --> 01:46:56,227 Speaker 21: massive role model. I think to me and Paul, I 2066 01:46:56,307 --> 01:47:00,427 Speaker 21: think he's showed us that it is they can be done. 2067 01:47:00,467 --> 01:47:02,707 Speaker 21: And I think I've drawn so much from them, just 2068 01:47:02,787 --> 01:47:05,827 Speaker 21: their perseverance and resilience to keep going and kind of 2069 01:47:05,867 --> 01:47:08,147 Speaker 21: their set that they've had in life as has never 2070 01:47:08,187 --> 01:47:08,627 Speaker 21: stopped them. 2071 01:47:08,667 --> 01:47:11,907 Speaker 20: They're still playing, and yeah, I look up. 2072 01:47:11,867 --> 01:47:14,787 Speaker 2: To them so much, and talking about resilience and setbacks. 2073 01:47:14,947 --> 01:47:17,827 Speaker 2: You had some pretty serious knee injuries yourself, didn't you 2074 01:47:17,867 --> 01:47:21,107 Speaker 2: while you were still a teenager. How challenging a time 2075 01:47:21,187 --> 01:47:23,067 Speaker 2: was that for you? And how did you get through that? 2076 01:47:25,467 --> 01:47:28,507 Speaker 21: It was pretty challenging. I kind of did both my 2077 01:47:28,587 --> 01:47:33,027 Speaker 21: acls and then had to have further miniscus repairs. But 2078 01:47:33,667 --> 01:47:35,467 Speaker 21: I think it taught me a lot. It kind of 2079 01:47:36,307 --> 01:47:39,547 Speaker 21: took away I think I from a young age, I 2080 01:47:39,587 --> 01:47:42,187 Speaker 21: was always striving to kind of play footy and I 2081 01:47:42,267 --> 01:47:43,307 Speaker 21: was always trying to be the best. 2082 01:47:43,387 --> 01:47:44,587 Speaker 20: But I think it kind of. 2083 01:47:45,147 --> 01:47:49,307 Speaker 21: Took the football player away, and I realized that life's 2084 01:47:49,347 --> 01:47:51,587 Speaker 21: more than just footy, and I had to really lean 2085 01:47:51,667 --> 01:47:53,827 Speaker 21: on my faith as well to kind of get me through. 2086 01:47:53,907 --> 01:47:57,227 Speaker 21: And it's kind of how the opportunity came up for 2087 01:47:57,387 --> 01:48:00,067 Speaker 21: me to play for the QII friends back in the 2088 01:48:00,107 --> 01:48:00,587 Speaker 21: World Cup. 2089 01:48:00,707 --> 01:48:02,907 Speaker 20: And I guess my INTERLW. 2090 01:48:03,387 --> 01:48:06,187 Speaker 21: Opportunity as well came from just having fun and I 2091 01:48:06,427 --> 01:48:09,587 Speaker 21: wasn't really trying to get anywhere. It was just simply 2092 01:48:09,747 --> 01:48:11,507 Speaker 21: just having fun with my friends. And I think that's 2093 01:48:11,547 --> 01:48:12,627 Speaker 21: when I played my best footing. 2094 01:48:12,747 --> 01:48:14,747 Speaker 2: Yeah, what a great approach. Did it ever feel of 2095 01:48:14,787 --> 01:48:17,107 Speaker 2: any stage that I as though you might not be 2096 01:48:17,147 --> 01:48:18,387 Speaker 2: able to get back to the top again? 2097 01:48:20,267 --> 01:48:21,147 Speaker 20: I know, definitely. 2098 01:48:21,267 --> 01:48:24,187 Speaker 21: Like I honestly, when I did my last knee, I 2099 01:48:24,267 --> 01:48:25,867 Speaker 21: think it was like my fourth operation. 2100 01:48:26,787 --> 01:48:29,347 Speaker 20: I think I was twenty one at the age, or 2101 01:48:29,427 --> 01:48:30,747 Speaker 20: twenty two, maybe twenty two. 2102 01:48:30,787 --> 01:48:33,427 Speaker 21: I was kind of done with playing competitively, if I'm 2103 01:48:33,427 --> 01:48:35,667 Speaker 21: being honest, I was kind of like, that's me done. 2104 01:48:35,667 --> 01:48:38,387 Speaker 20: I've been focused on a proper career at that stage. 2105 01:48:38,507 --> 01:48:44,347 Speaker 21: But it wasn't until one of my mates, Kelly Alexander, 2106 01:48:44,467 --> 01:48:45,827 Speaker 21: she was kind of like, hey, do you want to 2107 01:48:45,867 --> 01:48:46,267 Speaker 21: come play? 2108 01:48:46,467 --> 01:48:48,907 Speaker 20: Like I think it was b grade at that stage, 2109 01:48:49,027 --> 01:48:50,227 Speaker 20: like do you just want to come play league? 2110 01:48:50,227 --> 01:48:52,267 Speaker 21: And at that stage, I hadn't played it before, and 2111 01:48:52,387 --> 01:48:54,187 Speaker 21: I was kind of like, you know what, I'm kind 2112 01:48:54,227 --> 01:48:56,947 Speaker 21: of getting bored of this life. I'm just like sitting 2113 01:48:56,987 --> 01:48:59,707 Speaker 21: on the sideline and like just gymming for fun. So 2114 01:48:59,787 --> 01:49:02,587 Speaker 21: I just honestly just got back in for fun, and 2115 01:49:02,707 --> 01:49:04,947 Speaker 21: that's how it all started. So I think I probably 2116 01:49:04,987 --> 01:49:07,387 Speaker 21: owe my friends a lot getting me back into the game. 2117 01:49:07,827 --> 01:49:09,747 Speaker 2: Amazing you certainly do, we all do, I think for 2118 01:49:09,867 --> 01:49:11,707 Speaker 2: having you where you are at the moment. So the 2119 01:49:11,867 --> 01:49:16,107 Speaker 2: NRLW you've obviously been there with the Knights. How much 2120 01:49:16,187 --> 01:49:18,867 Speaker 2: do you think playing in that competition has improved you 2121 01:49:18,947 --> 01:49:19,987 Speaker 2: as a rugby league player? 2122 01:49:21,387 --> 01:49:22,387 Speaker 20: Oh, it's been massive. 2123 01:49:22,467 --> 01:49:24,747 Speaker 21: I think last year moving over to the Knights was 2124 01:49:24,787 --> 01:49:28,667 Speaker 21: a pivotal part of my career. I think I wouldn't 2125 01:49:28,747 --> 01:49:31,267 Speaker 21: be where I am today if it weren't for that opportunity. 2126 01:49:31,467 --> 01:49:33,707 Speaker 8: Just I think the. 2127 01:49:33,787 --> 01:49:36,427 Speaker 21: Competitiveness and just the resources that they have and the 2128 01:49:36,507 --> 01:49:40,027 Speaker 21: coaches that they have. It's just different to Club Foot 2129 01:49:40,027 --> 01:49:42,187 Speaker 21: you back home. I think that was the massive change. 2130 01:49:42,227 --> 01:49:45,387 Speaker 21: You just learned so much. You're surrounded by so much 2131 01:49:45,507 --> 01:49:48,427 Speaker 21: talent and like people asked with Tamika Upton and she 2132 01:49:48,547 --> 01:49:51,027 Speaker 21: taught me heaps and just was willing to share her knowledge. 2133 01:49:51,067 --> 01:49:52,427 Speaker 20: And I think that's where I grew the most. 2134 01:49:53,027 --> 01:49:58,187 Speaker 2: And your tackle of the Year at the EMS as well, Yeah, 2135 01:49:58,267 --> 01:49:59,227 Speaker 2: that was that was. 2136 01:49:59,507 --> 01:50:02,267 Speaker 20: Kind of a surprise. I think I was just in 2137 01:50:02,387 --> 01:50:03,907 Speaker 20: the right moment at the right time. 2138 01:50:04,107 --> 01:50:07,107 Speaker 2: Oh man, so humble, so humble. Hey, And of course 2139 01:50:07,147 --> 01:50:09,267 Speaker 2: we know the Warriors are coming back into the NRLW 2140 01:50:09,467 --> 01:50:11,267 Speaker 2: as well. Any chance we might see you in a 2141 01:50:11,307 --> 01:50:13,187 Speaker 2: Warrior's jersey at some stage in the future. 2142 01:50:16,507 --> 01:50:19,787 Speaker 20: I think yes, like definitely down the track. 2143 01:50:19,827 --> 01:50:22,467 Speaker 21: I'd love to come back home and sort of be 2144 01:50:22,627 --> 01:50:25,547 Speaker 21: back with my family and back where I was born 2145 01:50:25,587 --> 01:50:27,827 Speaker 21: and raised. And it'd be awesome because my brothers both 2146 01:50:27,867 --> 01:50:30,907 Speaker 21: played there, So I think I would love to eventually 2147 01:50:31,107 --> 01:50:32,147 Speaker 21: find my way back home. 2148 01:50:33,147 --> 01:50:34,547 Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of people over the side 2149 01:50:34,547 --> 01:50:37,427 Speaker 2: of the Tasman would love that as well. In the meantime, though, 2150 01:50:37,427 --> 01:50:40,227 Speaker 2: you've got this game against Australia to focus on. Ib 2151 01:50:40,307 --> 01:50:42,027 Speaker 2: We really appreciate you taking the time for a chat 2152 01:50:42,067 --> 01:50:43,227 Speaker 2: to us all the best in the final. 2153 01:50:44,267 --> 01:50:46,107 Speaker 20: No, thank you so much, really appreciate it. 2154 01:50:47,467 --> 01:50:49,627 Speaker 2: No, I appreciate you joining us, Abby Things indeed, Abbie 2155 01:50:49,787 --> 01:50:53,627 Speaker 2: Roach there Kiwi Fern's Center. Australia are their opposition the 2156 01:50:53,787 --> 01:50:57,707 Speaker 2: jill Use ten to four this afternoon as they look 2157 01:50:57,787 --> 01:51:01,107 Speaker 2: to defend the Pacific champ title that they won a 2158 01:51:01,267 --> 01:51:05,227 Speaker 2: year ago. Just quick update on the Fast five. You 2159 01:51:05,307 --> 01:51:07,507 Speaker 2: might have heard Nathan mention in our Sports news that 2160 01:51:07,667 --> 01:51:10,787 Speaker 2: New Zealand have won their one game today so far, 2161 01:51:10,907 --> 01:51:14,307 Speaker 2: beating England thirty two points to thirty. They will play 2162 01:51:14,387 --> 01:51:17,667 Speaker 2: South Africa in their final pull match at three forty 2163 01:51:17,747 --> 01:51:21,827 Speaker 2: five or final round robin match. There are six teams obviously, 2164 01:51:21,947 --> 01:51:24,147 Speaker 2: and South Africa is the one opponent New Zealand haven't 2165 01:51:24,147 --> 01:51:27,307 Speaker 2: played yet and the way on maths, I think if 2166 01:51:27,307 --> 01:51:29,547 Speaker 2: they win that they will play in the final, so 2167 01:51:29,827 --> 01:51:33,427 Speaker 2: that after the final round robin matches there's a fifth 2168 01:51:33,667 --> 01:51:35,987 Speaker 2: sixth playoff, the third fourth playoff and then the final. 2169 01:51:36,467 --> 01:51:38,507 Speaker 2: And looks to me as though New Zealand just have 2170 01:51:38,627 --> 01:51:40,587 Speaker 2: just lost the one game that was to Australia last 2171 01:51:40,707 --> 01:51:43,427 Speaker 2: night by forty one twenty six, so as long as 2172 01:51:43,427 --> 01:51:45,547 Speaker 2: they can beat South Africa this afternoon they'll begin the final. 2173 01:51:45,867 --> 01:51:47,787 Speaker 2: We'll keep a very close eye on that for you 2174 01:51:47,987 --> 01:51:53,507 Speaker 2: as the afternoon and evening progress. Twenty two away from three, 2175 01:51:54,547 --> 01:51:56,467 Speaker 2: let's get a breakaway when we come back. It is 2176 01:51:56,507 --> 01:51:59,587 Speaker 2: to football we go. Wellington Phoenix men and women both 2177 01:51:59,667 --> 01:52:02,627 Speaker 2: have games this afternoon. Auckland FC don't have a game 2178 01:52:03,067 --> 01:52:05,507 Speaker 2: this weekend they have the bye, so no game for 2179 01:52:05,587 --> 01:52:09,467 Speaker 2: the beaten Auckland FC, but both Phoenix teams have a game. 2180 01:52:09,907 --> 01:52:13,147 Speaker 2: We'll get inside both camps right after this on Weekend Sport. 2181 01:52:13,907 --> 01:52:17,827 Speaker 1: It's more than just a game. Weekend Sport with Jason 2182 01:52:17,907 --> 01:52:21,907 Speaker 1: Hyne and GJ. Garnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home builder 2183 01:52:22,027 --> 01:52:22,867 Speaker 1: News Dogs. 2184 01:52:22,667 --> 01:52:22,867 Speaker 9: M B. 2185 01:52:24,467 --> 01:52:27,067 Speaker 2: Nineteen away from three previous a couple of football matches 2186 01:52:27,107 --> 01:52:29,867 Speaker 2: for you. Both Wellington Phoenix men in action this afternoon 2187 01:52:30,027 --> 01:52:32,707 Speaker 2: or into the early evening. Let's start with the Wellington 2188 01:52:32,707 --> 01:52:35,107 Speaker 2: Phoenix women who have their first home game of the 2189 01:52:35,187 --> 01:52:39,587 Speaker 2: season this afternoon four o'clock at Portador Park, Jerry Collins 2190 01:52:39,627 --> 01:52:41,787 Speaker 2: at Stadium, whatever you like to call it. That's a 2191 01:52:41,827 --> 01:52:44,787 Speaker 2: four o'clock kickoff, and that one up against Canberra United 2192 01:52:45,307 --> 01:52:48,067 Speaker 2: last weekend. Canberra had a three to two win to 2193 01:52:48,107 --> 01:52:50,667 Speaker 2: start their season. The Wellington Phoenix went down four to 2194 01:52:50,747 --> 01:52:55,147 Speaker 2: two to Western United away from home, due largely to 2195 01:52:55,547 --> 01:52:58,587 Speaker 2: an inexplicable bit of defending for about twenty minutes when 2196 01:52:58,627 --> 01:53:01,027 Speaker 2: they went from wonder ahead to four one down in 2197 01:53:01,107 --> 01:53:03,987 Speaker 2: the second half of the first half. Anyway, four to 2198 01:53:04,027 --> 01:53:06,747 Speaker 2: two was the end result. One of the brighter spots 2199 01:53:06,787 --> 01:53:08,627 Speaker 2: of the day was a daboo for one of the 2200 01:53:08,747 --> 01:53:12,027 Speaker 2: club's new players, Lara waar I. Caught up with Lara 2201 01:53:12,107 --> 01:53:14,107 Speaker 2: Wall briefly during the week and asked her, first of all, 2202 01:53:14,227 --> 01:53:16,387 Speaker 2: how happy she was with her Phoenix deboo. 2203 01:53:17,667 --> 01:53:21,467 Speaker 22: I was pretty happy with how I did. I yeah, 2204 01:53:21,547 --> 01:53:23,947 Speaker 22: just told myself, got to go in hard, go out 2205 01:53:23,987 --> 01:53:25,947 Speaker 22: there and just really give it my all. I really 2206 01:53:26,107 --> 01:53:30,387 Speaker 22: enjoy attacking, and the message we got given was just 2207 01:53:30,547 --> 01:53:34,307 Speaker 22: go forward, give it back to them, get high. And 2208 01:53:34,547 --> 01:53:36,267 Speaker 22: I was really happy to come on as a fallback 2209 01:53:36,347 --> 01:53:38,787 Speaker 22: and do that. That's what I like to do, that's 2210 01:53:38,827 --> 01:53:40,987 Speaker 22: how I play. So I thought it was it was 2211 01:53:41,067 --> 01:53:43,267 Speaker 22: good to come on in that circumstance and to really 2212 01:53:43,307 --> 01:53:46,387 Speaker 22: be able to go forward and give it to them. 2213 01:53:46,787 --> 01:53:49,107 Speaker 2: How did you find the place of the game, the 2214 01:53:49,227 --> 01:53:50,867 Speaker 2: level a step up from what you were used to? 2215 01:53:51,187 --> 01:53:52,507 Speaker 2: How did you find the adjustment. 2216 01:53:53,027 --> 01:53:55,107 Speaker 22: It's if we've been a step up adjusting to the 2217 01:53:55,227 --> 01:53:57,507 Speaker 22: speed of the game, the intensity of the game. But 2218 01:53:58,027 --> 01:54:00,227 Speaker 22: we've had a lot of preseason games. I've got some 2219 01:54:00,307 --> 01:54:02,947 Speaker 22: good minutes in the preseason games. So I was just 2220 01:54:02,987 --> 01:54:06,987 Speaker 22: telling myself, you've played at this level in the preseason games. Intensity, 2221 01:54:07,147 --> 01:54:08,347 Speaker 22: you can get out there and you can do it. 2222 01:54:09,147 --> 01:54:12,467 Speaker 22: But yeah, definitely step up. But also yeah, those preseason games. 2223 01:54:12,307 --> 01:54:12,827 Speaker 20: Were really good. 2224 01:54:12,907 --> 01:54:15,947 Speaker 22: Really got me used to that intensity, that speed of 2225 01:54:15,987 --> 01:54:17,747 Speaker 22: the game, and everything. 2226 01:54:17,587 --> 01:54:18,387 Speaker 8: And in the environment. 2227 01:54:18,427 --> 01:54:21,467 Speaker 2: Obviously you've got the likes of Rebecca Lake and Anale Longer, 2228 01:54:21,507 --> 01:54:23,467 Speaker 2: who I guess you know pretty well. How helpful has 2229 01:54:23,507 --> 01:54:26,067 Speaker 2: that been to adjust to life in the Phoenix environment. 2230 01:54:26,347 --> 01:54:28,427 Speaker 22: It's been awesome having them there, Like I've played with 2231 01:54:28,507 --> 01:54:31,987 Speaker 22: them before. Obviously they've played at higher levels than me before, 2232 01:54:32,067 --> 01:54:35,867 Speaker 22: but they've kind of guided me through that and been 2233 01:54:35,907 --> 01:54:39,187 Speaker 22: able to really help me slide into the team and just, yeah, 2234 01:54:39,547 --> 01:54:41,987 Speaker 22: it's nice to have someone, I know, someone there who's 2235 01:54:42,067 --> 01:54:44,707 Speaker 22: been through it before, someone who has had so much 2236 01:54:44,787 --> 01:54:48,667 Speaker 22: experience at this level and above before to really, yeah, 2237 01:54:48,947 --> 01:54:51,347 Speaker 22: guide me and show me, show me how it's done. 2238 01:54:51,467 --> 01:54:52,987 Speaker 2: Has this been a goal of yours for a while, 2239 01:54:53,067 --> 01:54:54,147 Speaker 2: to be a professional. 2240 01:54:53,827 --> 01:54:56,467 Speaker 20: Player, It's been on my mind. 2241 01:54:57,067 --> 01:54:59,787 Speaker 22: I didn't think it would happen, to be honest, I 2242 01:55:00,227 --> 01:55:01,827 Speaker 22: when I got the call up to the trial, I 2243 01:55:01,907 --> 01:55:04,987 Speaker 22: was kind of surprised. I thought I had probably missed 2244 01:55:05,027 --> 01:55:06,907 Speaker 22: the boat a little bit. I'm a little we're older, 2245 01:55:07,107 --> 01:55:09,587 Speaker 22: been out of school for a bit bit of a 2246 01:55:10,027 --> 01:55:12,187 Speaker 22: like bit long now, so I kind of thought I 2247 01:55:12,267 --> 01:55:13,707 Speaker 22: had missed the boat with it. But when I got 2248 01:55:13,747 --> 01:55:15,907 Speaker 22: the call up, I was like, straight away, like I 2249 01:55:16,027 --> 01:55:18,427 Speaker 22: want to do this. Yeah, this is something yeah, I 2250 01:55:18,507 --> 01:55:19,307 Speaker 22: want to do, and. 2251 01:55:19,427 --> 01:55:22,747 Speaker 2: You're obviously mixing it with work as well. So have 2252 01:55:22,867 --> 01:55:25,427 Speaker 2: you found the balance between obviously getting the training and 2253 01:55:25,507 --> 01:55:28,227 Speaker 2: that you need, but also just being a worker like 2254 01:55:28,307 --> 01:55:28,667 Speaker 2: the rest of it. 2255 01:55:29,667 --> 01:55:32,907 Speaker 22: It's definitely a juggle, but I do really enjoy coming 2256 01:55:32,987 --> 01:55:36,947 Speaker 22: here in the morning, having something physical to do and 2257 01:55:37,147 --> 01:55:39,907 Speaker 22: really applying myself in the morning out here, and then 2258 01:55:40,267 --> 01:55:43,547 Speaker 22: in the afternoons going into work, sitting down, relaxing the 2259 01:55:43,587 --> 01:55:45,987 Speaker 22: body a bit more, but also using my brain. So 2260 01:55:46,067 --> 01:55:49,187 Speaker 22: it's really cool to have that balance. I really enjoyed 2261 01:55:49,267 --> 01:55:52,907 Speaker 22: doing both. And yeah, my work's been really good letting 2262 01:55:52,987 --> 01:55:57,787 Speaker 22: me train in the morning's work whenever I have, Yeah, 2263 01:55:57,827 --> 01:55:59,387 Speaker 22: whenever I can, which has been really good. 2264 01:56:00,747 --> 01:56:02,667 Speaker 2: That is Lara Wall, one of the new faces in 2265 01:56:02,707 --> 01:56:06,187 Speaker 2: the Wellington Phoenix women's squad. Another is the new assistant coach, 2266 01:56:06,427 --> 01:56:10,027 Speaker 2: Amy Sheppard, who has joined the club after stints in 2267 01:56:10,067 --> 01:56:12,307 Speaker 2: the UK and in Australia. I caught up with her 2268 01:56:12,387 --> 01:56:14,027 Speaker 2: during the week as well and asked her first of 2269 01:56:14,067 --> 01:56:15,787 Speaker 2: all how she was enjoying her new role. 2270 01:56:16,627 --> 01:56:17,867 Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm really really enjoying it. 2271 01:56:17,907 --> 01:56:21,187 Speaker 17: I mean, Wellington's a little bit colder than Sydney, but overall, 2272 01:56:21,267 --> 01:56:23,547 Speaker 17: like the experience has been great, and yeah, good group 2273 01:56:23,587 --> 01:56:25,667 Speaker 17: of players, good group of staff, So yeah, it's been 2274 01:56:25,707 --> 01:56:26,067 Speaker 17: really good. 2275 01:56:26,547 --> 01:56:28,827 Speaker 2: So first up, lost last weekend would have been the 2276 01:56:28,867 --> 01:56:30,107 Speaker 2: main work ons during the week. 2277 01:56:30,547 --> 01:56:31,507 Speaker 19: Yeah, Look, I think is a. 2278 01:56:31,547 --> 01:56:34,307 Speaker 17: Difficult one because overall, I think the football we played 2279 01:56:34,467 --> 01:56:36,787 Speaker 17: was really good. There was a lot of positives from there, 2280 01:56:36,867 --> 01:56:39,227 Speaker 17: and unfortunately football is about moments, right, and there was 2281 01:56:39,267 --> 01:56:41,227 Speaker 17: just some moments there that we obviously have addressed this 2282 01:56:41,347 --> 01:56:42,827 Speaker 17: week and have looked to work on. 2283 01:56:43,667 --> 01:56:45,427 Speaker 19: So there was positives to take away from it. But yeah, 2284 01:56:45,467 --> 01:56:46,707 Speaker 19: some some fix ons too. 2285 01:56:46,867 --> 01:56:49,547 Speaker 2: So have you been able to unpeck what went on 2286 01:56:49,827 --> 01:56:51,507 Speaker 2: from one li'l up to four one down? 2287 01:56:52,107 --> 01:56:52,307 Speaker 7: Yeah? 2288 01:56:52,347 --> 01:56:54,307 Speaker 17: Look, I think it was again that the timings of 2289 01:56:54,347 --> 01:56:56,627 Speaker 17: the goals was a bit crucial for us, and then 2290 01:56:56,707 --> 01:56:58,867 Speaker 17: the manner of them, But like I said, their work 2291 01:56:58,947 --> 01:57:01,187 Speaker 17: ons and outside of those moments take them away. I 2292 01:57:01,227 --> 01:57:03,827 Speaker 17: think we were really happy with, especially elements of the 2293 01:57:03,827 --> 01:57:05,387 Speaker 17: game that we've been working on in pre seasons. 2294 01:57:05,467 --> 01:57:07,307 Speaker 19: So a lot of positive to take away. 2295 01:57:07,587 --> 01:57:09,667 Speaker 2: So I think you've probably dominated a position or we 2296 01:57:09,747 --> 01:57:11,667 Speaker 2: certainly had more position. I think maybe one or two 2297 01:57:11,707 --> 01:57:13,267 Speaker 2: more shots on goals. So were you happy with the 2298 01:57:13,307 --> 01:57:14,987 Speaker 2: way things were kind of operating in the middle and 2299 01:57:15,027 --> 01:57:16,907 Speaker 2: front the middle third. 2300 01:57:16,947 --> 01:57:18,907 Speaker 19: Definitely think between the boxes we were really happy. 2301 01:57:18,947 --> 01:57:20,747 Speaker 17: I think ultimately it was just think what happens in 2302 01:57:20,827 --> 01:57:23,707 Speaker 17: the boxes, and that's both defensively and then also attacking. 2303 01:57:23,747 --> 01:57:25,987 Speaker 19: I think we had a lot of probably box. 2304 01:57:25,907 --> 01:57:27,907 Speaker 17: Entries, but you know, again we need to be finishing 2305 01:57:27,947 --> 01:57:30,667 Speaker 17: those chances, so I think improvements in both boxes. 2306 01:57:30,707 --> 01:57:32,307 Speaker 19: But yeah, between the boxes we were really happy. 2307 01:57:32,827 --> 01:57:35,947 Speaker 2: So Camber have Michelle Hayman obviously as part of their lineup. 2308 01:57:37,067 --> 01:57:38,387 Speaker 2: You know, I think if she gets one more goal, 2309 01:57:38,427 --> 01:57:40,507 Speaker 2: there's one hundred for Canberra. She's already got one hundred 2310 01:57:40,547 --> 01:57:42,147 Speaker 2: in the in the league. Do you league just like 2311 01:57:42,227 --> 01:57:43,507 Speaker 2: particularly to look after her. 2312 01:57:43,907 --> 01:57:44,067 Speaker 9: Yeah. 2313 01:57:44,107 --> 01:57:45,747 Speaker 17: Look, she's always going to be a threat, right, so 2314 01:57:45,867 --> 01:57:48,667 Speaker 17: we're aware of qualities and we'll manage that accordingly. And 2315 01:57:48,747 --> 01:57:50,307 Speaker 17: I think I was reading this sat the other day 2316 01:57:50,307 --> 01:57:52,027 Speaker 17: about she's scored a lot of goals in New Zealand 2317 01:57:52,067 --> 01:57:54,027 Speaker 17: every time they've come here. So yeah, she loves the 2318 01:57:54,067 --> 01:57:55,067 Speaker 17: New Zealand goal apparently. 2319 01:57:55,347 --> 01:57:59,187 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you new new defendit AmAm. Is she likely 2320 01:57:59,227 --> 01:58:00,867 Speaker 2: to get some minutes? What's the situation there? 2321 01:58:01,027 --> 01:58:02,987 Speaker 17: Yeah, Look, she's just arrived so obviously we've got a 2322 01:58:03,027 --> 01:58:04,827 Speaker 17: lot of players that have obviously done on their screening 2323 01:58:04,827 --> 01:58:06,227 Speaker 17: and testing and we've still to get through that pro 2324 01:58:06,587 --> 01:58:07,987 Speaker 17: with her. So we're just sort of working it out 2325 01:58:08,027 --> 01:58:09,907 Speaker 17: as we go and we'll see how this week goes 2326 01:58:09,947 --> 01:58:12,227 Speaker 17: with her testing and medical screening and then go from there. 2327 01:58:12,547 --> 01:58:14,587 Speaker 2: And how was the mishing of the new players gone, 2328 01:58:14,587 --> 01:58:16,187 Speaker 2: because there are you know, a number of new faces 2329 01:58:16,187 --> 01:58:18,147 Speaker 2: in this team, particularly the imports. How's that gone. 2330 01:58:18,427 --> 01:58:19,267 Speaker 19: Yeah, it's been really good. 2331 01:58:19,267 --> 01:58:21,347 Speaker 17: I think we've had a good pre season with a 2332 01:58:21,427 --> 01:58:23,547 Speaker 17: mix of sort of like on field and offield activities 2333 01:58:23,587 --> 01:58:25,387 Speaker 17: where we've really sort of tried to work on the 2334 01:58:25,467 --> 01:58:28,147 Speaker 17: keysiveness of the group. So overall, I think everyone's bonded 2335 01:58:28,187 --> 01:58:29,627 Speaker 17: really well and it's been a really really good start, 2336 01:58:29,747 --> 01:58:30,627 Speaker 17: especially off the field. 2337 01:58:31,867 --> 01:58:34,347 Speaker 2: That is the voice of Amy Shephard, the new assistant 2338 01:58:34,387 --> 01:58:37,147 Speaker 2: coach of the Wellington Phoenix women side four o'clock this afternoon. 2339 01:58:37,187 --> 01:58:40,107 Speaker 2: They played Canberra. Immediately following that game, it's the Wellington 2340 01:58:40,147 --> 01:58:43,227 Speaker 2: Phoenix men in Gosford up against the Central Coast Mariners, 2341 01:58:43,267 --> 01:58:45,827 Speaker 2: looking to bounce back from their defeat in the derby 2342 01:58:46,147 --> 01:58:49,307 Speaker 2: last weekend. One of the brighter features for the Phoenix anyway, 2343 01:58:49,307 --> 01:58:53,227 Speaker 2: and that derby was the reappearance of Marco Rojas, five 2344 01:58:53,387 --> 01:58:57,507 Speaker 2: thousand days since he last woke shirt. I spoke to 2345 01:58:57,587 --> 01:59:00,067 Speaker 2: Marco during the week, gave him that stat and asked 2346 01:59:00,147 --> 01:59:01,067 Speaker 2: him how he came through the. 2347 01:59:01,067 --> 01:59:03,667 Speaker 23: Game selling a lot I would have asked for hearing 2348 01:59:03,787 --> 01:59:07,387 Speaker 23: that I came through fine, and I came through really 2349 01:59:07,427 --> 01:59:10,187 Speaker 23: grateful to be back out in the park, really grateful 2350 01:59:10,307 --> 01:59:14,387 Speaker 23: to have come back nicely from the injury. And I'm 2351 01:59:14,507 --> 01:59:16,227 Speaker 23: really cool to do it in front of what twenty 2352 01:59:16,267 --> 01:59:18,467 Speaker 23: six above twenty six thousand people. That's really cool. 2353 01:59:18,947 --> 01:59:21,587 Speaker 2: So what's the situation now in terms of your minute loading? 2354 01:59:21,627 --> 01:59:23,147 Speaker 2: I mean, when would do you think you'll be in 2355 01:59:23,187 --> 01:59:25,027 Speaker 2: a position to start a game for example. 2356 01:59:25,267 --> 01:59:27,307 Speaker 23: Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean I think as a 2357 01:59:27,347 --> 01:59:29,867 Speaker 23: footballer for myself, there's always like the two sides. There 2358 01:59:29,907 --> 01:59:31,707 Speaker 23: was one that was really grateful just to be playing, 2359 01:59:31,747 --> 01:59:33,427 Speaker 23: and the other one was like, I wish it was 2360 01:59:33,627 --> 01:59:35,827 Speaker 23: more minutes, you know, especially in the game like that. 2361 01:59:36,027 --> 01:59:39,387 Speaker 23: So hopefully soon, I've got a lot of work they 2362 01:59:39,427 --> 01:59:42,187 Speaker 23: still need to do to get fit to get minutes, 2363 01:59:42,227 --> 01:59:43,907 Speaker 23: and I think in the preseason the most they had 2364 01:59:44,067 --> 01:59:46,947 Speaker 23: was a half of football, So from ninety minutes. I 2365 01:59:46,987 --> 01:59:48,707 Speaker 23: think I have to be honest, I'm probably a little 2366 01:59:48,747 --> 01:59:51,147 Speaker 23: way off, but hopefully from more minutes it won't be 2367 01:59:51,227 --> 01:59:53,067 Speaker 23: too far away, and then I'll just go from there. 2368 01:59:53,547 --> 01:59:55,347 Speaker 2: Chief he's talked about how he wants to, you know, 2369 01:59:55,627 --> 01:59:57,987 Speaker 2: really use you on a specific way within this team. 2370 01:59:58,707 --> 02:00:00,107 Speaker 2: Can you just give us an idea of what you 2371 02:00:00,227 --> 02:00:03,707 Speaker 2: see your ongoing role in the team being the same. 2372 02:00:03,547 --> 02:00:08,147 Speaker 23: As what Chief he said, I think I just want 2373 02:00:08,187 --> 02:00:11,547 Speaker 23: to help where I can, whether it's experienced, probably in 2374 02:00:11,627 --> 02:00:15,547 Speaker 23: the attacking since in the years of kind of attacking 2375 02:00:15,547 --> 02:00:18,787 Speaker 23: football that I've practiced and played. Hopefully I can help 2376 02:00:18,827 --> 02:00:22,107 Speaker 23: the team maybe create a few more chances and go 2377 02:00:22,267 --> 02:00:25,987 Speaker 23: further up the park. But honestly, I'll just wait and see. 2378 02:00:26,107 --> 02:00:28,307 Speaker 23: Like I said, for I think I've learned over the 2379 02:00:28,387 --> 02:00:30,987 Speaker 23: years that it's a process. And if I say now, 2380 02:00:31,027 --> 02:00:34,147 Speaker 23: without really playing much, I'm going to help like this 2381 02:00:34,307 --> 02:00:35,827 Speaker 23: and like this, and then you start playing and it 2382 02:00:35,907 --> 02:00:38,267 Speaker 23: takes a bit longer. It's better to take a step 2383 02:00:38,307 --> 02:00:40,267 Speaker 23: by step. In the next step is playing more minutes, 2384 02:00:40,307 --> 02:00:42,387 Speaker 23: and then after that it will be helping to contribute 2385 02:00:42,387 --> 02:00:42,787 Speaker 23: to the team. 2386 02:00:43,307 --> 02:00:47,947 Speaker 2: How you finding the Phoenix environment in your new teammates. 2387 02:00:48,587 --> 02:00:51,227 Speaker 23: Yeah, really cool. I mean, we have these incredible facilities. 2388 02:00:51,347 --> 02:00:54,507 Speaker 23: It's very easy to stay here for most of the day, 2389 02:00:54,547 --> 02:00:56,747 Speaker 23: which is quite cool because it's field like an energy 2390 02:00:56,867 --> 02:00:59,867 Speaker 23: that maybe is a third three year old didn't really 2391 02:01:00,387 --> 02:01:02,987 Speaker 23: might not have had in other places. So that's really cool. 2392 02:01:03,067 --> 02:01:06,027 Speaker 23: Stay here, work hard. There's a lot of energy within 2393 02:01:06,067 --> 02:01:08,227 Speaker 23: the team to a young team, which is cool as well. 2394 02:01:08,307 --> 02:01:11,427 Speaker 23: And it's just really nice to be amongst familiarity like 2395 02:01:11,587 --> 02:01:13,027 Speaker 23: some of the other boys I played with through the 2396 02:01:13,107 --> 02:01:16,547 Speaker 23: national team and have watched throughout like the A League season. 2397 02:01:16,667 --> 02:01:18,267 Speaker 23: So I'm enjoying myself here. 2398 02:01:18,707 --> 02:01:20,867 Speaker 2: And when you ran out there on the weekend, did 2399 02:01:20,907 --> 02:01:22,547 Speaker 2: any part of you sort of flash back to the 2400 02:01:23,107 --> 02:01:26,787 Speaker 2: eighteen year old Marco Rojas who deboot for Wellington. 2401 02:01:26,907 --> 02:01:30,507 Speaker 23: And no, not at that point obviously in my head, 2402 02:01:30,547 --> 02:01:32,107 Speaker 23: it was just like I want to get on and 2403 02:01:32,867 --> 02:01:35,587 Speaker 23: start playing. A few of the boys tried before that 2404 02:01:35,747 --> 02:01:37,707 Speaker 23: to bring it back. They said, a clean shave and 2405 02:01:37,787 --> 02:01:39,987 Speaker 23: I might be able to take her all the way back. 2406 02:01:40,027 --> 02:01:43,107 Speaker 23: I was a bit hesitant to do that, though only 2407 02:01:43,187 --> 02:01:45,587 Speaker 23: afterwards I guess was able to watch it back and 2408 02:01:45,667 --> 02:01:49,667 Speaker 23: appreciate what it was. For that moment, I haven't really 2409 02:01:49,947 --> 02:01:52,547 Speaker 23: apart from seeing like obviously the pictures side by side, 2410 02:01:52,587 --> 02:01:55,347 Speaker 23: it doesn't you haven't really thought about that too much. 2411 02:01:55,587 --> 02:01:57,667 Speaker 23: Just really really happy to be here at the moment. 2412 02:01:58,867 --> 02:02:01,227 Speaker 2: That is Marco Rojas. Good to have him back in 2413 02:02:01,347 --> 02:02:04,707 Speaker 2: Phoenix Colors. Hopefully he'll play a role, maybe a slightly 2414 02:02:04,747 --> 02:02:06,987 Speaker 2: bigger role as the Wellington Phoenix play the Central Coast 2415 02:02:07,027 --> 02:02:09,707 Speaker 2: Mariner is later on tonight, that's a six o'clock kickoff 2416 02:02:09,747 --> 02:02:13,187 Speaker 2: New Zealand Time in Gosford, nine Away from three News talks. 2417 02:02:13,027 --> 02:02:17,587 Speaker 1: EB analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting World, 2418 02:02:17,787 --> 02:02:20,627 Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Hie nicoll. 2419 02:02:22,107 --> 02:02:25,307 Speaker 2: Us talks MB and coming up five and a half 2420 02:02:25,707 --> 02:02:28,987 Speaker 2: from three, and that is pretty much us on Weekend 2421 02:02:29,067 --> 02:02:31,667 Speaker 2: Sport for today and for the weekend. Thank you for 2422 02:02:31,987 --> 02:02:34,027 Speaker 2: listening in, thank you for taking part in the conversation. 2423 02:02:34,107 --> 02:02:36,387 Speaker 2: We've had some great discussions about all sorts of things 2424 02:02:36,427 --> 02:02:39,667 Speaker 2: across the weekend. We're back on Sports Talk tomorrow night 2425 02:02:39,787 --> 02:02:42,707 Speaker 2: from seven as we're at the weekend and anything that 2426 02:02:42,747 --> 02:02:44,747 Speaker 2: happens over the next twenty four hours or so sports 2427 02:02:44,787 --> 02:02:47,147 Speaker 2: Wise will be sure to cover off. Huge thanks to 2428 02:02:47,187 --> 02:02:49,787 Speaker 2: Anna McDonald for producing the show. Thanks mate, great work. 2429 02:02:49,827 --> 02:02:52,467 Speaker 2: Across the weekend with an extended show yesterday as well, 2430 02:02:52,587 --> 02:02:56,307 Speaker 2: So make sure you get that overtime timest not evenough 2431 02:02:56,307 --> 02:02:59,227 Speaker 2: a time sheets still a thing. Do we have time sheets? 2432 02:02:59,307 --> 02:03:04,907 Speaker 2: I've never filled one? They exist, have you? I don't 2433 02:03:04,907 --> 02:03:07,107 Speaker 2: think I ever have no? So you know I just 2434 02:03:07,187 --> 02:03:11,347 Speaker 2: do this voluntarily, don't I? Well exactly, well, yeah, it's 2435 02:03:11,667 --> 02:03:14,467 Speaker 2: something we both do on a voluntary basis, and until 2436 02:03:14,507 --> 02:03:16,907 Speaker 2: they find somebody else to do it for even cheaper 2437 02:03:16,947 --> 02:03:19,907 Speaker 2: than nothing, we'll continue along our merry way. I think 2438 02:03:20,187 --> 02:03:22,307 Speaker 2: Tim Beverage after three, I know we pay him a 2439 02:03:22,347 --> 02:03:24,427 Speaker 2: heap to do the weekend collective. He's on the air 2440 02:03:24,467 --> 02:03:27,187 Speaker 2: after three sing a song to go out today. We 2441 02:03:27,267 --> 02:03:30,267 Speaker 2: had Neil Wedge show earlier. His book is excellent and 2442 02:03:30,627 --> 02:03:34,027 Speaker 2: in it he talks about landing in Dunedin from South 2443 02:03:34,067 --> 02:03:37,227 Speaker 2: Africa to join up with Otago Cricket, which was the 2444 02:03:37,267 --> 02:03:39,867 Speaker 2: first step in a long association with us here in 2445 02:03:39,907 --> 02:03:42,947 Speaker 2: New Zealand. And the song on his iPod was this 2446 02:03:43,107 --> 02:03:46,347 Speaker 2: one from You two where the streets have No Name. 2447 02:03:47,067 --> 02:03:50,307 Speaker 2: He says, whenever he hears that song, he's instantly transported 2448 02:03:50,427 --> 02:03:54,067 Speaker 2: back to the aircraft landing in New Zealand's that brought 2449 02:03:54,147 --> 02:03:58,107 Speaker 2: him from South Africa into our hearts. Really so where 2450 02:03:58,147 --> 02:04:00,507 Speaker 2: the streets have no name takes us out today. Have 2451 02:04:00,587 --> 02:04:02,347 Speaker 2: an excellent rest of your Sunday said tomorrow night. 2452 02:04:02,427 --> 02:04:03,907 Speaker 5: Bye now well. 2453 02:04:47,187 --> 02:04:50,347 Speaker 1: For more from Weekends Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 2454 02:04:50,467 --> 02:04:53,747 Speaker 1: to news talks it Be weekends from midday, or follow 2455 02:04:53,827 --> 02:04:55,387 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio