1
00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,413
Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Teams podcast

2
00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,733
Speaker 1: from News Talks at b.

3
00:00:25,253 --> 00:00:42,453
Speaker 2: We've just seen all the Yeah, yeah, there'll ask me

4
00:00:43,893 --> 00:00:45,213
Speaker 2: where is my Mind?

5
00:00:46,773 --> 00:00:51,693
Speaker 3: Where is my mine? Yes, Pixies changed the alt rock

6
00:00:52,053 --> 00:00:56,973
Speaker 3: game forever. That's Pixies with where is My Mind? Just

7
00:00:57,013 --> 00:01:00,693
Speaker 3: that opening Leaka. So the legionary band out of Boston,

8
00:01:00,733 --> 00:01:04,333
Speaker 3: Massachusetts have been credited by the likes of Kirk Cobain

9
00:01:04,493 --> 00:01:07,773
Speaker 3: for they're off the wall guitarsh reading influence and very

10
00:01:07,813 --> 00:01:10,093
Speaker 3: soon Pixies are going to be back here on New

11
00:01:10,173 --> 00:01:13,653
Speaker 3: Zealand Shores with a very special set of shows. So

12
00:01:13,693 --> 00:01:16,213
Speaker 3: they're going to be playing two nights each in both

13
00:01:16,213 --> 00:01:18,493
Speaker 3: Auckland and Wellington. On the first night they're going to

14
00:01:18,533 --> 00:01:22,813
Speaker 3: play classic Pixies albums bosson Over and Trump LeMond in

15
00:01:22,893 --> 00:01:25,413
Speaker 3: their entirety, and then the second night is going to

16
00:01:25,453 --> 00:01:29,093
Speaker 3: be a more traditional kind of classic Pixie's greatest hits set.

17
00:01:29,653 --> 00:01:32,373
Speaker 3: And a man who occupies stage right who's been at

18
00:01:32,373 --> 00:01:37,133
Speaker 3: every single Pixies gigba has ever been, as guitarist Joey Santiago.

19
00:01:37,253 --> 00:01:39,693
Speaker 3: He and I sat down yesterday and I began by

20
00:01:39,733 --> 00:01:41,053
Speaker 3: welcoming to the show.

21
00:01:41,573 --> 00:01:44,533
Speaker 4: Oh thank you for having me and yeah, hopefully you

22
00:01:44,573 --> 00:01:47,453
Speaker 4: guys are having a beautiful sun Saturday morning.

23
00:01:47,693 --> 00:01:50,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Hey, you are doing things a little bit differently.

24
00:01:51,093 --> 00:01:54,093
Speaker 3: This tour is a little bit different to previous Pixies tour.

25
00:01:54,173 --> 00:01:56,413
Speaker 3: Just give us an explanation about the different shows.

26
00:01:57,493 --> 00:02:01,413
Speaker 4: Okay, so we're doing two nights. So the first night

27
00:02:01,573 --> 00:02:06,253
Speaker 4: is going to be BOSTONOVA and Trump Lamont the albums

28
00:02:07,733 --> 00:02:14,413
Speaker 4: all insequential order, just the way it's listed. And the

29
00:02:14,493 --> 00:02:17,773
Speaker 4: second night will be we call it our general set,

30
00:02:17,893 --> 00:02:23,213
Speaker 4: which will be just like a mishmash of every things

31
00:02:23,213 --> 00:02:26,373
Speaker 4: from the other catalogs, and you know, we'll concentrate on

32
00:02:26,413 --> 00:02:28,973
Speaker 4: some of the new stuff new album.

33
00:02:29,493 --> 00:02:31,053
Speaker 3: Nice. So why did you why did you want to

34
00:02:31,093 --> 00:02:32,453
Speaker 3: do things differently? Why do you want to do the

35
00:02:32,453 --> 00:02:35,253
Speaker 3: two quite distinct shows?

36
00:02:35,573 --> 00:02:36,293
Speaker 2: Uh, you know.

37
00:02:38,413 --> 00:02:44,013
Speaker 4: We don't we first of all, selflessly, for me, we

38
00:02:44,133 --> 00:02:48,493
Speaker 4: get to stay in the same city twice, two nights,

39
00:02:48,533 --> 00:02:51,333
Speaker 4: two days, and I get to look around and relax,

40
00:02:51,693 --> 00:02:51,933
Speaker 4: you know.

41
00:02:52,053 --> 00:02:53,533
Speaker 5: So that's good for us, and.

42
00:02:53,573 --> 00:02:57,693
Speaker 4: Also you know, for the for the fans out there,

43
00:02:57,893 --> 00:02:59,013
Speaker 4: you know, they get.

44
00:02:58,973 --> 00:03:02,893
Speaker 5: Two different shows. If they choose to go to two shows.

45
00:03:02,253 --> 00:03:05,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think people will, but it's you know,

46
00:03:05,813 --> 00:03:08,493
Speaker 3: remarkable to reflect on things a little bit, so Boss

47
00:03:08,493 --> 00:03:10,813
Speaker 3: and Over I think is what thirty five years old?

48
00:03:10,893 --> 00:03:13,013
Speaker 3: This year Trump? My mom must be what thirty four

49
00:03:13,093 --> 00:03:17,253
Speaker 3: years old? How do you reflect on those albums?

50
00:03:17,253 --> 00:03:22,093
Speaker 5: Well, it was a long time ago. You know.

51
00:03:22,253 --> 00:03:27,853
Speaker 4: Every time we make a record, I'm proud of it.

52
00:03:28,653 --> 00:03:31,853
Speaker 4: After a little while, the first, you know, when I

53
00:03:31,893 --> 00:03:35,133
Speaker 4: get home, I go, God, damn, did I do everything that?

54
00:03:35,453 --> 00:03:35,653
Speaker 5: You know?

55
00:03:35,733 --> 00:03:38,333
Speaker 4: Did I was it? Did I do everything I can?

56
00:03:38,413 --> 00:03:39,653
Speaker 4: Did I give it one hundred percent?

57
00:03:40,013 --> 00:03:43,173
Speaker 5: But I do? You know, but it's like, you know,

58
00:03:43,413 --> 00:03:46,333
Speaker 5: what's more than one hundred percent? Really? Yeah, that's it.

59
00:03:46,853 --> 00:03:48,773
Speaker 5: You just put it out, you know, that's it.

60
00:03:49,773 --> 00:03:54,053
Speaker 3: Do you find yourself reflecting on, you know, the different

61
00:03:54,093 --> 00:03:56,693
Speaker 3: creative choices you made thirty five years ago when you

62
00:03:56,733 --> 00:03:59,013
Speaker 3: when you're forced to go and reflect on an album,

63
00:03:59,253 --> 00:04:01,973
Speaker 3: even things like like the sequencing of tracks and that

64
00:04:02,053 --> 00:04:04,813
Speaker 3: kind of thing, do you find yourself going, Man, if

65
00:04:04,853 --> 00:04:07,653
Speaker 3: I were riding Boston over today, I would do something

66
00:04:07,733 --> 00:04:08,373
Speaker 3: a bit differently.

67
00:04:11,533 --> 00:04:11,733
Speaker 5: No.

68
00:04:12,133 --> 00:04:17,653
Speaker 4: I think the albums were sequenced right correctly. The only

69
00:04:17,813 --> 00:04:21,493
Speaker 4: thing that you know, had we thought about that we

70
00:04:21,493 --> 00:04:26,853
Speaker 4: were going to do this live, we would we would

71
00:04:26,853 --> 00:04:27,853
Speaker 4: sequence it better.

72
00:04:27,933 --> 00:04:30,093
Speaker 5: So we don't change guitars as often.

73
00:04:31,733 --> 00:04:33,613
Speaker 3: How many guitars do you have to bring on tour?

74
00:04:35,013 --> 00:04:35,253
Speaker 2: I have?

75
00:04:35,853 --> 00:04:36,573
Speaker 5: You know, it's not.

76
00:04:36,573 --> 00:04:47,253
Speaker 4: That much comparatively, I bring let's see four four guitars, Yeah,

77
00:04:47,413 --> 00:04:47,973
Speaker 4: yeah it is.

78
00:04:48,213 --> 00:04:49,853
Speaker 3: It is four Gibson's.

79
00:04:51,333 --> 00:04:55,773
Speaker 4: Ah, yes, three less balls and one three five.

80
00:04:56,053 --> 00:05:01,413
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wonderful. So so the thirty fifth anniversary of Boston over.

81
00:05:01,573 --> 00:05:04,173
Speaker 3: But when I was doing the numbers for Pixies, I

82
00:05:04,253 --> 00:05:08,133
Speaker 3: realized that what has been described as the band's second

83
00:05:08,173 --> 00:05:13,973
Speaker 3: wave is now a longer period than your first wave together.

84
00:05:14,213 --> 00:05:16,733
Speaker 3: So I guess this is like the yeah, which which

85
00:05:16,773 --> 00:05:18,973
Speaker 3: is I mean, it's funny how these things kind of

86
00:05:19,333 --> 00:05:21,973
Speaker 3: kind of catch up on you. How do you personally

87
00:05:22,013 --> 00:05:25,853
Speaker 3: differentiate between the two different Pixies waves.

88
00:05:27,413 --> 00:05:36,373
Speaker 4: Well, the first wave, what for me was I was

89
00:05:36,413 --> 00:05:41,453
Speaker 4: trying to have fun the whole time. Yeah, and it

90
00:05:41,573 --> 00:05:43,893
Speaker 4: is fun, I get it, you know what I mean.

91
00:05:44,493 --> 00:05:49,573
Speaker 4: And this time around, it's the balance of fun and work,

92
00:05:50,253 --> 00:05:52,853
Speaker 4: which is not a I'm not saying that in a

93
00:05:53,093 --> 00:05:54,333
Speaker 4: negative way at all.

94
00:05:54,893 --> 00:05:57,373
Speaker 5: It's just a healthier way for me to look at it.

95
00:05:58,253 --> 00:05:59,413
Speaker 3: That's interesting. Why is that?

96
00:06:01,893 --> 00:06:03,373
Speaker 5: You know, it's just.

97
00:06:05,133 --> 00:06:07,653
Speaker 4: You just gotta put it out there. You got to

98
00:06:07,773 --> 00:06:11,573
Speaker 4: just play your best. You gotta be at nine o'clock.

99
00:06:11,733 --> 00:06:15,053
Speaker 4: You gotta be, you gotta have, you.

100
00:06:15,133 --> 00:06:16,773
Speaker 5: Got to be at your optimal best.

101
00:06:17,853 --> 00:06:20,973
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not I'm not out there personally, you know,

102
00:06:21,173 --> 00:06:24,693
Speaker 4: I'm not out there belly up at some barn and

103
00:06:24,813 --> 00:06:25,853
Speaker 4: going to do the show.

104
00:06:26,293 --> 00:06:33,813
Speaker 3: Yeah. So so, And was that the case in the nineties. Yeah, sorry, no,

105
00:06:33,853 --> 00:06:35,093
Speaker 3: it's that's fine.

106
00:06:35,213 --> 00:06:38,973
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was exactly like that.

107
00:06:39,093 --> 00:06:39,293
Speaker 4: Yeah.

108
00:06:39,453 --> 00:06:41,533
Speaker 3: It's kind of the key to longevity, right, It's it

109
00:06:41,573 --> 00:06:43,773
Speaker 3: seems like the least rock and roll thing in the world,

110
00:06:43,813 --> 00:06:48,293
Speaker 3: but actually, like routine is kind of critical if you

111
00:06:48,333 --> 00:06:51,813
Speaker 3: want to be doing what you love. You know, after

112
00:06:52,013 --> 00:06:55,813
Speaker 3: after more than three decades of doing it, actually you

113
00:06:55,893 --> 00:06:58,613
Speaker 3: can't be necessarily living like you once did.

114
00:07:00,213 --> 00:07:03,933
Speaker 6: I mean, you know what, it's it's it becomes that

115
00:07:04,053 --> 00:07:08,213
Speaker 6: and you gotta like count your count your lucky stars

116
00:07:08,253 --> 00:07:10,213
Speaker 6: that this is the work I have.

117
00:07:10,933 --> 00:07:14,533
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I can't imagine doing anything else.

118
00:07:16,413 --> 00:07:18,213
Speaker 5: So yeah, I love it.

119
00:07:18,293 --> 00:07:20,373
Speaker 4: I love it, and I love the way I you know,

120
00:07:20,813 --> 00:07:25,773
Speaker 4: I treat it. I treat it very seriously and hopefully

121
00:07:26,133 --> 00:07:29,413
Speaker 4: it comes across that way, you know, I mean, you know,

122
00:07:29,773 --> 00:07:33,973
Speaker 4: I know there, you know, I mean that's the truth, guys.

123
00:07:34,053 --> 00:07:36,173
Speaker 5: You know, Yeah, that is the truth.

124
00:07:36,373 --> 00:07:41,293
Speaker 4: Well, you know, we're doing this to be of service, dude,

125
00:07:41,293 --> 00:07:42,373
Speaker 4: the best we can do.

126
00:07:42,413 --> 00:07:46,213
Speaker 3: You find do you find yourself noticing a greater sense

127
00:07:46,213 --> 00:07:48,733
Speaker 3: of gratitude than you did previously?

128
00:07:49,253 --> 00:07:50,493
Speaker 5: Yeah? I do, I do.

129
00:07:50,773 --> 00:07:53,893
Speaker 4: I do, even when I have to like shut down

130
00:07:53,973 --> 00:07:58,133
Speaker 4: at four pm because I know I can't socialize, I

131
00:07:58,133 --> 00:07:59,053
Speaker 4: can't do anything.

132
00:07:59,173 --> 00:08:00,373
Speaker 5: I just have to be in my.

133
00:08:00,453 --> 00:08:04,973
Speaker 4: Room and just getting ready for it.

134
00:08:05,253 --> 00:08:07,133
Speaker 5: I'm getting ready for some thing I love.

135
00:08:07,013 --> 00:08:13,333
Speaker 4: To do, you know, And that's that's part of the

136
00:08:13,453 --> 00:08:19,133
Speaker 4: work is really you know, everything else, you know, it's

137
00:08:19,173 --> 00:08:24,013
Speaker 4: more important to have the good diet, the exercise and

138
00:08:24,053 --> 00:08:24,893
Speaker 4: all that stuff.

139
00:08:24,933 --> 00:08:29,333
Speaker 5: It's just gearing up for something I love to do. Yeah.

140
00:08:29,853 --> 00:08:33,053
Speaker 3: What about the relationships within the band? Do you notice

141
00:08:33,053 --> 00:08:37,653
Speaker 3: that you know that that with the wisdom of a

142
00:08:37,653 --> 00:08:40,413
Speaker 3: couple of decades under the belt, now that that your

143
00:08:40,453 --> 00:08:42,973
Speaker 3: relationships have changed in the way that you work, the

144
00:08:42,973 --> 00:08:45,973
Speaker 3: way that you guys go about your style, whether it's

145
00:08:45,973 --> 00:08:47,573
Speaker 3: writing musical or performing it together.

146
00:08:49,973 --> 00:08:55,813
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, before the show, an hour before the show,

147
00:08:55,933 --> 00:09:02,253
Speaker 4: we're all in there practicing. It's for you know, for

148
00:09:02,373 --> 00:09:04,893
Speaker 4: Charles to warm up his voice and then we go

149
00:09:04,973 --> 00:09:07,933
Speaker 4: over some songs and we have fun with it.

150
00:09:08,013 --> 00:09:08,213
Speaker 5: You know.

151
00:09:09,133 --> 00:09:12,933
Speaker 4: I I tend to mess around with with with it

152
00:09:13,053 --> 00:09:16,653
Speaker 4: and uh, I play like silly stuff, other silly stuff.

153
00:09:17,173 --> 00:09:19,213
Speaker 3: Honey, mean what what? What? What kind of silly stuff

154
00:09:19,213 --> 00:09:19,613
Speaker 3: do you play?

155
00:09:20,613 --> 00:09:24,613
Speaker 5: Just noodling? Yeah, noodling, uh, noodling stuff. You know.

156
00:09:25,093 --> 00:09:27,373
Speaker 4: It's like, hey, if you if you had a blues guy,

157
00:09:27,493 --> 00:09:29,413
Speaker 4: this is what the songs are gonna sound.

158
00:09:29,533 --> 00:09:35,293
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think your kids are in your twenties now, right,

159
00:09:35,453 --> 00:09:39,333
Speaker 3: and relatively recently they've been they've been coming to a

160
00:09:39,333 --> 00:09:41,493
Speaker 3: few Pixie shows. What is that experience?

161
00:09:41,653 --> 00:09:41,773
Speaker 2: Like?

162
00:09:45,413 --> 00:09:47,853
Speaker 5: You know, they're inviting their friends.

163
00:09:49,013 --> 00:09:53,373
Speaker 4: What it is is when they were like in elementary

164
00:09:53,413 --> 00:09:56,413
Speaker 4: school that's what we call here, in fifth grade, they

165
00:09:56,653 --> 00:10:00,373
Speaker 4: they just didn't know because what I did and what

166
00:10:00,413 --> 00:10:01,293
Speaker 4: the band was.

167
00:10:01,373 --> 00:10:04,973
Speaker 5: They had no clue. And I told.

168
00:10:04,653 --> 00:10:07,773
Speaker 4: Them, you know, when you get into high school, you're

169
00:10:07,773 --> 00:10:12,253
Speaker 4: going to realize you're going to see Yeah, And sure enough,

170
00:10:12,533 --> 00:10:15,733
Speaker 4: you know they did that. There are classroomies. Now they're

171
00:10:15,733 --> 00:10:20,493
Speaker 4: in college, it's just everywhere. You know, We're We're lucky,

172
00:10:20,653 --> 00:10:29,493
Speaker 4: you know, we're the band is popular in the college circuit.

173
00:10:29,733 --> 00:10:32,013
Speaker 4: You know, if they want to, you know, because college

174
00:10:32,053 --> 00:10:34,973
Speaker 4: is the time you to explore other forms of everything.

175
00:10:37,533 --> 00:10:42,413
Speaker 3: And I suppose you've got past the point where they

176
00:10:42,453 --> 00:10:45,893
Speaker 3: think you're not cool and you're kind of whereas it's

177
00:10:45,933 --> 00:10:47,973
Speaker 3: like a second a second wave for the band, you're

178
00:10:47,973 --> 00:10:51,253
Speaker 3: probably also in their estimation and a second you know,

179
00:10:51,293 --> 00:10:53,173
Speaker 3: in a kind of second stage where all of a sudden,

180
00:10:53,213 --> 00:10:57,733
Speaker 3: actually having dad, you know, shreading for Pixies is like

181
00:10:57,813 --> 00:11:00,253
Speaker 3: an amazing is an amazing thing to be able to

182
00:11:00,253 --> 00:11:01,093
Speaker 3: boast to your friends.

183
00:11:02,573 --> 00:11:05,053
Speaker 5: Yeah, you would think they'd behave more, but they don't.

184
00:11:06,573 --> 00:11:09,933
Speaker 3: Funny that, Hey, we really appreciate your time. We are

185
00:11:09,973 --> 00:11:12,013
Speaker 3: delighted that you're going to be playing in New Zealand

186
00:11:12,053 --> 00:11:14,933
Speaker 3: once again. So Pixies twenty twenty five New Zealand Tour

187
00:11:14,973 --> 00:11:18,493
Speaker 3: has a two night residency in each city, Auckland's Town

188
00:11:18,533 --> 00:11:20,933
Speaker 3: Hall on November twenty third and twenty fourth, and the

189
00:11:20,933 --> 00:11:23,613
Speaker 3: Saint James Theatre in Wellington on the twenty sixth and

190
00:11:23,613 --> 00:11:25,973
Speaker 3: twenty seventh of November. All of the details will be

191
00:11:26,013 --> 00:11:28,533
Speaker 3: on the News Talks z'b website. Joey, thank you so much.

192
00:11:28,573 --> 00:11:29,853
Speaker 3: We can't wait to see you here soon.

193
00:11:30,973 --> 00:11:32,293
Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to it too.

194
00:11:32,693 --> 00:11:35,093
Speaker 3: That is Joey Santiago from Pixies.

195
00:11:35,733 --> 00:11:38,853
Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live

196
00:11:38,933 --> 00:11:42,093
Speaker 1: to News Talks EDB from nine am Saturday, or follow

197
00:11:42,133 --> 00:11:43,733
Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio