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Speaker 1: Thank you. It was countdown and giving everybody the three

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Speaker 1: points in the email and then taking them all back.

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Speaker 1: Your genius who ever sent that to me? Thirteen away

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Speaker 1: from five and Barries Sober, senior.

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Speaker 2: Political corresponding another genius.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of another genius as bracing us with his amazing

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Speaker 1: brain right now, what do you make of this energy package?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's probably a lot of what we'd already heard before.

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Speaker 2: We are facing an energy crisis and the government is

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Speaker 2: blaming labor for it. But in the end, labour is

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Speaker 2: not responsible for the low lake levels, is not responsible

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Speaker 2: for the lack of wind, it's not responsible for the

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Speaker 2: atmosphereic aspects if you like, of the energy crisis at

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Speaker 2: the moment.

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Speaker 1: But it's responsible at least in part for the gash or.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll talk about that that the Cabinet has basically

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Speaker 2: come up with a number of issues to ensure energy

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Speaker 2: supply in the future. It will remove regulatory barriers to

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Speaker 2: the construction of critically needed facilities to import liquefied natural gas.

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Speaker 2: That's an interesting one that because they know they come

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Speaker 2: in ships and big containers this gas and then it's

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Speaker 2: regassed once it comes into the country. I read quite

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Speaker 2: a lot about it today because I thought how it's

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Speaker 2: put into the gas form again, it's liquefied. Oh yes, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So I learned quite a lot on that one. But

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Speaker 2: they are easing restrictions on electric electricity lines. Companies are

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Speaker 2: owning generation now. They've had very limited ownership in the past,

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Speaker 2: so they're going to open that up so there'll be

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Speaker 2: more competition if you like, in the sector. They'll ensure

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Speaker 2: easy access for gen tailors to hydro to a hydro contingency.

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Speaker 2: So there's a number of aspects they're looking at. But

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Speaker 2: Chris Luxen, who was standing on the stage with both

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Speaker 2: Sam and Brown and Chris Bishop today he sheeted the

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Speaker 2: blame for the energy crisis home to labor. But on

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Speaker 2: the other hand, he's now urging them to get on

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Speaker 2: board with rectifying the problem.

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Speaker 3: The bottom line is New Zealand should not be in

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Speaker 3: this situation, but we are. And it's important to remember

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Speaker 3: how we got here because it did not happen by

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Speaker 3: accident or because the fact is entirely outside of government control.

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Speaker 3: Previous government's ban on oil and gas exploration threatened investment

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Speaker 3: in the upstream energy sector, and as good as it

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Speaker 3: may have sounded on a bumper sticker, or to climate

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Speaker 3: activists in Europe, it was reckless. I urge opposition parties

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Speaker 3: to support what we have announced today. It would be

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Speaker 3: the sensible, common sense thing to do if they genuinely

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Speaker 3: cared about New Zealand's energy security, a lower emission's future

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Speaker 3: and hardworking New Zealanders.

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Speaker 1: Smart move from him, right, because immediately Labour's going to

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Speaker 1: come out and say now we're going to ban it again.

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Speaker 2: Oh look, that's going to be a difficult one, isn't

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Speaker 2: it now? Because you know, you've got a three year

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Speaker 2: life of a political party before they run again for

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Speaker 2: re election. And if you're an investor looking at New

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Speaker 2: Zealander's potential investment for energy, you're give.

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Speaker 1: Me a read on this barrier.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So if Labor was to come out and reaffirm their

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Speaker 1: commitment to the oil and gas ban, which I understand

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Speaker 1: is what they intend to do, is that not going

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Speaker 1: to go down badly?

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Speaker 2: Well? I would imagine it would go down quite badly

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Speaker 2: given the situation Maria, and you see what's happened, particularly

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Speaker 2: with gas at the moment, you know it's particularly bad.

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Speaker 2: We've got a very limited supply we're not exploring for

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Speaker 2: it anymore. And you know, I can't understand it because

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Speaker 2: what we're getting opposed.

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Speaker 1: Because what we're getting at the moment is a taste

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Speaker 1: of what the future would be like without any gas, right,

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Speaker 1: and it's horrible. And if they go ahead and reconfirm

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Speaker 1: their commitment to the oil and gas band, people, they're rereadiots,

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Speaker 1: aren't they.

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Speaker 2: Well that's always been the problem with Labor, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: They have these great ideological ideas and they have nothing

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Speaker 2: to back up their ideas in terms of other aspects.

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Speaker 1: Well, they did have Lake Lake Onslow, which was well,

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Speaker 1: it was thirty eight bad idea.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be opened in nineteen, in two thousand

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Speaker 2: and thirty eight. Yeah, at it cost US sixteen billion.

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Speaker 1: Dollars today's money. What about the fast track thing? Now,

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Speaker 1: this feels to me like they have taken the kind

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Speaker 2: Well they have, and again it's going to make it

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Speaker 2: difficult for Labor and my view, but Chris Bishop, he

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Speaker 2: will assess the application against a set of criteria, and

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Speaker 2: that includes whether to defer the project for an assessment

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Speaker 2: by the Independent expert Panel, but it doesn't mean that

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Speaker 2: when they say the Minister won't have the final sign

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Speaker 2: of the Minister can circumvent it earlier on in the process,

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Speaker 2: and step two of the process the Minister could decline

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Speaker 2: the project at that stage. Now the independent Panel, of course,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of pressure on them

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Speaker 2: by the three hundred and eighty four applicants that are

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Speaker 2: now going for the fast track measures. They are going

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Speaker 2: to be made up and they haven't been appointed yet.

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Speaker 2: They'll be appointed later this year. A High Quarter and

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Speaker 2: Environmental Judge where or a planner will be the chairperson.

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Speaker 2: Local authorities will be represented, an environment expert, and the

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Speaker 2: treaty settlements require it. An EWE authority representative will be

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Speaker 2: on the expert panel as well if needed, Yes, if needed.

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Speaker 2: So you know Labour's reaction to it at the stage

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Speaker 2: is they say the bill overrides the laws and that

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Speaker 2: protect our environment and they'll make decisions regardless of the

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Speaker 2: impact on the environment. And I say to that bollocks

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Speaker 2: because part of the criterion that they've got to consider

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Speaker 2: is very much the environment.

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Speaker 1: Barry, thank you very much, really appreciate it's very Soper

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