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Speaker 2: Give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and the

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Speaker 1: power of satellite mobile news dogs.

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Speaker 2: That'd be afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. Coming up today, organized crime is

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Speaker 3: apparently one of our biggest national security threats. We're going

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Speaker 3: to talk to the chair of the Task Force on

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Speaker 3: the final report that came out today. Act looks like

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Speaker 3: it might kill the Surcharge band. We will explain and

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Speaker 3: construction expert John Tooki on how to rebuild Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Hev Duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 4: So it looks like the.

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Speaker 3: Days of Simon Dllo reading us the evening News and

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Speaker 3: numbered Now this is not a total surprise. This has

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Speaker 3: been rumored for a little while. It's even actually been

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Speaker 3: reported on as speculation. But now well placed sources have

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Speaker 3: told The Herald that he is preparing to quit next year.

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Speaker 3: Simon Dallo will actually be quite a bit of a

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Speaker 3: loss for TV and Z because he is like one

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Speaker 3: of those pieces of equipment that is so good at

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Speaker 3: It's like a Coggner watch. You never think about it

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Speaker 3: Simon Dallo so polished he's almost invisible, which is actually

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Speaker 3: deliberate from him because he's old school. He sees himself

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Speaker 3: sad people are going to be about his departure if

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Speaker 3: it does actually happen next year. I don't know that

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Speaker 3: Jim Hickey did, maybe because he's more perfection than he

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Speaker 3: like we used to forty years ago. But TV and

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Speaker 3: I mean, the obvious thing that they should do, or

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Speaker 3: The braver thing to do would be to poach Samantha

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Speaker 3: pretty quickly. Back to Simon, though there is no scandal here.

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Speaker 3: He just reportedly wants to spend more time traveling and

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Speaker 3: seeing his kids. And who can blame him because next year,

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Speaker 3: can you believe it will be twenty years of him

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Speaker 3: doing that job, which finnally is almost as exactly as

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Speaker 2: Bailey ever dup c Ellen.

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Speaker 3: The text number Standard text fees apply now. New Zealand

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Speaker 3: First leader Winston Peters has doubled down on his criticism

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Speaker 3: of Fonterra's plans to sell its consumer brands. He's threatened

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Speaker 3: in an open letter that Frontira may face regulations if

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Speaker 3: Mainland and Anchor are sold to the French company Lactalise.

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Speaker 3: In Winston's with US now High Winston.

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Speaker 5: Hello, what regulations, Well, they have over many, many years

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Speaker 5: and last in twenty twenty one. Again a monopoly position

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Speaker 5: because politicians saw in the national interest. And when that

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Speaker 5: position is then used to sell a product, the base

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Speaker 5: product with no guarantee of longevity that is only three

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Speaker 5: years for the brands that we have built it since

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Speaker 5: the eighteen eighties, then it's a matter of serious concern.

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Speaker 5: The farmers need to know that.

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Speaker 3: Yet now apparently i'm told the three years is not

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Speaker 3: strictly accurate. It's three years that they have to take

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Speaker 3: the milk for and then after that it's another thirty

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Speaker 3: six months notice period if they want to stop. So

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Speaker 3: it actually works out it six.

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Speaker 5: Years automatically venus until it's terminated as executive flim flam.

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Speaker 5: After three years they can cancel.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but then they have to give three years notice.

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Speaker 3: So it really is six years, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Well, once you're canceling, guess what that signals to the

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Speaker 5: farming community. Well, your long term advantage is being lost dramatically.

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Speaker 5: You're now a wholesaler, You're not an added value operation.

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Speaker 3: Now, what are the regulations that you're threatening.

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Speaker 5: Well, I'm just saying that they did not get there

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Speaker 5: to sell it as though it's some sort of catalyst

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Speaker 5: asset against the national interest, against added value to the

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Speaker 5: and thousands of people in this country is simply open

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Speaker 3: Have you actually thought about what the regulations are or

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Speaker 3: are you just floating the idea that there may be

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Speaker 5: It's not complicated. Let me tell this is sound.

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Speaker 3: You can't answer the question.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, of course I can answer the question. Go on, well,

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Speaker 5: I don't know why. Why haven't you Peel been asking

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Speaker 3: This is not my first rodeo. I know what you're

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Speaker 3: up to. You haven't thought about the regulations have yet?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 6: I have.

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Speaker 5: I'm saying we're gonna We're gonna remove your privileged position

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Speaker 5: so that if a New Zealand the wholesale I wished

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Speaker 5: to go into added value supply, they'll have access to

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Speaker 3: All right now, isn't really proplicated. No, No, thank you

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Speaker 3: for answering the question. I should say thank you, thank

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Speaker 3: you for answering the question. I do appreciate it isn't

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Speaker 3: really that big a deal though. With the milk supply,

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Speaker 3: I mean we're talking about what is it like seven

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Speaker 3: to lise ends up taking.

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Speaker 5: Oh again again, that's not where we're really talking about.

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Speaker 5: We're talking high end, top end. And if you go

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Speaker 5: if you go to countries that know how to add value,

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Speaker 5: they have and many of those countries not even got

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Speaker 5: the raw product, but they're getting the base product and

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Speaker 5: adding value to it massively, and that's why they are

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Speaker 3: But Fonterra would argue that they are doing value add

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Speaker 3: with all the other weird stuff that they do, like

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Speaker 3: that stuff that's really value.

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Speaker 5: Oh, with the greatest respect to Fonterra. Look, they went

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Speaker 5: through the being made disaster. That was not eight eighty

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Speaker 5: million dollar loss, The opportunity cost was one point four billion.

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Speaker 5: They went both and the very same people coming on

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Speaker 5: radio and TV, not from Terra, but these people being

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Speaker 3: Okay. Now, David Seymour has a good point, though, doesn't he.

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Speaker 3: It is actually for the farmers to choose, not for politicians.

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Speaker 5: There's exactly right for farmers to choose, knowing all the facts. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: and I'm talking about the future young farmer, the son

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but not you're not making it for the farmers

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Speaker 3: to choose. If you start threatening regulation, you're really making it.

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Speaker 3: You're inserting yourself here.

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Speaker 5: I'm not inserting myself. But it was they that came

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Speaker 5: to us and asked us for protection and for privileged

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Speaker 5: position and monopoly. Do you not realize I've been around

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Speaker 5: for a long time. I've seen this Fonterra was established

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Speaker 5: on that basis in the first place.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now listen, can I just ask you about the fairies?

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Speaker 3: Are you worried all about this lot building? The fairies

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Speaker 3: over in China and what they're up to the potential threat?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Look, one mainstream media Genosa sanadna I said, have

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Speaker 5: you've flown eddies in lately?

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Speaker 7: Well?

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Speaker 5: They both they buy from Boeing. Boeing makes military aircrafts

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Speaker 5: as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but Boeing's on our side, isn't it. The Americans

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Speaker 3: are on our side. If we're going to war, We're

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Speaker 3: not going to war with the Chinese. It's like we're

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Speaker 5: Every item of this matter will be carefully scrutinized by

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Speaker 5: capable people for the first time in a long long

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Speaker 5: time when the deal is done. The Chinese know that.

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Speaker 3: Do you really think, Winston, that we have the capability

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Speaker 3: if they put vulnerabilities in the fairies? I'm not saying

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Speaker 5: Of course we can.

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Speaker 3: How can we find it? Where we have guys from

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Speaker 3: the defense forces who hand their notes into the opshop

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Speaker 3: in the art Valley.

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Speaker 5: Well, that was a very very low grade. A woman

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Speaker 5: who went home with her notes. She was only a

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Speaker 5: high operative inside the Defense Force. And more importantly, we're

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Speaker 5: not the third largest rocket launcher in the world at

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Speaker 5: this point in time because we got there by accident.

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Speaker 5: Have some confidence in your people and it will hire

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Speaker 5: the right people. The difference is when this deal is over,

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Speaker 5: we will have saved you and your listeners over two

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Speaker 5: billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: Please to hear at Winston. I'm thrilled. Actually, maybe I

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Speaker 3: should have more confidence. I appreciate your time. That's Winston,

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Speaker 3: Peter's New Zealand first Party leader. Listen, just on the death.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you've been following this, but remember

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Speaker 3: the guy from Mango, the guy who found founded the

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Speaker 3: Mango Clothing Empire, went out for a walk in Spain

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Speaker 3: December last year and then fell to his death. The

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Speaker 3: an accident but as a murder. And the key suspect

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Speaker 3: here is his son, And they say that because his son, Jonathan,

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Speaker 3: hasn't got a story straight. So there's inconsistencies, there are

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Speaker 3: gray areas, events that don't match up. So that is

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Speaker 3: quite the twist, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: I'm a Fonterra supplier and I'm with Winston. I went

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Speaker 3: to a shareholders meeting and I raised these points and

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Speaker 3: basically we were told that we didn't know what we

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Speaker 3: were talking. I didn't know what I was talking about

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Speaker 3: a two dollars sugar fix is a very short, short

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Speaker 3: sighted bribe. That's from Mark nineteen past four.

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Speaker 3: There some pine weekend Sport hosters with us a Piney Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 3: like I says it nine thirty that the game is tonight.

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Speaker 9: Nine thirty it is, yes, as you're in time.

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Speaker 10: Yes.

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Speaker 3: And do you think that they're going to be able

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Speaker 3: to rise above everything that's going on and just do

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Speaker 3: a good game?

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Speaker 9: Well, I hope.

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Speaker 10: So I get the feeling that these players, and we're

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Speaker 10: talking the Silver Ferns here of course against Australia, will

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Speaker 3: looks like they've basically killed Scott Simpson's plan. To ban

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Speaker 2: He'd been.

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Speaker 1: The name you trumped to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 3: The Hipri District Council elections result, please Ben, we do

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Speaker 3: Though here the read the credit card surcharge ban. I

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Speaker 3: But he wants to go for the farmer vote, and

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Speaker 2: It's the world wires on youth talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 3: So Donald Trump has had a two and a half

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Speaker 11: I'll be meeting with President Putin and we'll make a determination. Tomorrow.

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Speaker 11: I'm meeting with President Zelensky and I'll be telling her

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Speaker 3: One of Trump's former mates. John Bolton has been indicted

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Speaker 3: And finally, if you're a chet GPT user, here's something

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 3: Jah Niffinson' US correspondent is with US.

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Speaker 2: Hello Dan, Hello Heather.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So what has John Bolton done that's got him

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Speaker 6: Well, he was keeping notes to himself and at times

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Speaker 6: I don't know what's more embarrassing, the fact that he

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Speaker 3: Okay, so are you telling me that he was using

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Speaker 6: national defense information and the fact that he had this

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Speaker 6: where he shouldn't have, and he was using a computer

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Speaker 6: that he shouldn't have and a server he shouldn't have.

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Speaker 3: And then also sharing it with his family and friends. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: And then it's so apparently was hacked by some Iranian

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Speaker 3: backed group who may have got a hold of the

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Speaker 3: stuff he was sending to himself.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's what they're saying.

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Speaker 6: And they're also saying he shared it, you know, publicly

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Speaker 6: a lot of the times when he went on all

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Speaker 6: these you know, as a as a correspondent or as

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Speaker 6: an expert on the cable networks around here. And he's

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Speaker 6: been doing this for several years. You know, he wrote

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Speaker 6: a whole book about this too.

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Speaker 3: Okay, and he has admitted that he was actually hacked,

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Speaker 3: hasn't he?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did.

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Speaker 6: So you know, we'll see how many of these charges

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Speaker 6: actually stick as this kind of goes forward. But Trump

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Speaker 6: certainly had it in for him.

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Speaker 3: Okay. Now, what do we know about this meeting between

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Speaker 3: Trump and Putin in Budapest.

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Speaker 6: Well, we know that Budapest was supposed to be the

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Speaker 6: place they were going to meet last time before Alaska,

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Speaker 6: but they lost out, so this is going to be

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Speaker 6: their time to I guess Shine. He had a long

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Speaker 6: phone call, as you mentioned in the World Wires with him.

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Speaker 6: We're going to find out more in the next few hours.

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Speaker 6: He's going to be meeting with President of Zelenski tomorrow

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Speaker 6: and the Old Office, and it's going to be interesting

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Speaker 6: to find out if both sides, because he says Putin's

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Speaker 6: going to share what they what they discussed, as well

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Speaker 6: as as Trump, which I think is going to be

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Speaker 6: very interesting to see if they kind of see eye

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Speaker 6: to eye. And he said the Putin congratulated him on

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Speaker 6: the peace in the Middle East, and the Trump thinks

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Speaker 6: that maybe by quote solving that this is bringing both sides,

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Speaker 6: both sides being Ukraine and Russia a little bit closer

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Speaker 6: together and maybe he can get something done with this.

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Speaker 3: Is it true that he wants to build himself a

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Speaker 3: monument called the Act to Trump?

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes it is, Yes, it is. He He says,

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Speaker 6: this is gonna this is going to commemorate our two

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Speaker 6: hundred and fiftieth anniversary next year, and it's being funded

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Speaker 6: by his own supporters. He had a big White House

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Speaker 6: dinner and he unveiled this this this monumental model of it,

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Speaker 6: a mock up of it in the in the ballroom,

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Speaker 6: and he said there were three versions of this archist, small, medium,

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Speaker 6: and large. I guess you probably know which one. Trump

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Speaker 6: says he likes the best.

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Speaker 3: Now I can see what does it look like.

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Speaker 6: It looks exactly like the one in Paris now, except

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Speaker 6: it's going to.

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Speaker 3: Be rude to you, Dan, but Washington is basically a

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Speaker 3: ripoff of like all It's just it's a ripoff of

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Speaker 3: ancient Rome and Greece and stuff that. All that stuff, right,

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Speaker 3: So it would fit in perfectly, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 6: You know what Marlon Brando said on acting. He says,

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Speaker 6: you steal from the best and you make it your own. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: And I think that's what Trump is doing. And he

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Speaker 6: says there's this big gap from Arlington National Cemeteries they

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Speaker 6: cross the Memorial Bridge. He says, everybody says there's something

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Speaker 6: that needs to be there, and something is going to

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Speaker 6: be there to welcome people.

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Speaker 3: It's very funny.

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Speaker 14: I do.

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Speaker 3: I do like this, actually, Dan, Thank you. It's good

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Speaker 3: to talk to you, mate. It's lovely to have you back.

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Speaker 3: Dan Mitchinson, US correspondent, eighteen away from five c L Right, So,

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Speaker 3: what has happened with the Kaipata District Council. This is

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Speaker 3: tuning into this is quite what's quite odd, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: So what happened as they had the meeting last night,

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Speaker 3: emergency meeting and then they hadn't then that was disrupted

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Speaker 3: by the old chap who was wearing sort of like

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Speaker 3: Second World War care and it was a protest that

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Speaker 3: had to shut it down. And so they did it

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Speaker 3: again this morning at nine and they've voted to send

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Speaker 3: a letter to the Department of Internal Affairs asking the

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Speaker 3: Department Internal Affairs to investigate what happened at the election

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Speaker 3: in Kuipitter But what is a leg to have happened

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Speaker 3: that needed that necessitated this, We do not know. It's

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Speaker 3: all kind of weird and we think I think they

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Speaker 3: are deliberately keeping it secret. It's very hard to figure

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Speaker 3: it out. Anyway. They wanted to stop the publication of

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Speaker 3: the results that were supposed to happen sometime after four o'clock.

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Speaker 3: The Department of Internal Affairs has told us that's absolutely

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Speaker 3: not going to happen. The results are going to come

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Speaker 3: out today. The Department of Internal Affairs has also told

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Speaker 3: us they've got nothing to do with us, like they

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Speaker 3: don't have the power. I mean, it's like the Kipata

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Speaker 3: District Council should maybe have written to a tank juice

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Speaker 3: and asked them to do something about him, because that's

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Speaker 3: about the level of power that the Department of Internal

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Speaker 3: Affairs appears to have anyway. Craig Jepson, who is the

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Speaker 3: outgoing mayor, who is the one who held the meeting

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Speaker 3: and has the concerns, going to be with us at

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Speaker 3: quarter past five. So we're going to try to get

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Speaker 3: to the bottom of what is going on here, because

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Speaker 3: something is going on, just don't know what it is.

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Speaker 3: Barrisopa's next seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Away Politics with Centrics. Credit check your customers and get

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Speaker 2: payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: If to answer your question earlier, it's Wilson's Parking. They

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Speaker 3: only allow you to use your credit card to pay.

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Speaker 3: It's incredibly annoying, Robin, thank you for that. As I said,

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Speaker 3: actor is going to be with us I just after

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Speaker 3: five o'clock on the Searcharge Band fourteen away from five.

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Speaker 3: Barry Sober, Senior political correspondent, Hi Barry Good afternoon, Heather,

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Speaker 3: So do you think it sounds to me very much

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Speaker 3: like the government is getting ready to make a compulsory

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Speaker 3: arbitration no more health strikes.

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Speaker 11: Well, yeah, that's the problem, isn't it. I think the

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Speaker 11: Golden Boy turned into something with brass boy when he

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Speaker 11: turned up at the Experienced Doctors meeting this week, really

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Speaker 11: walking into the lions Den. I guess you'd have to say,

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Speaker 11: but you know, he gave as good as he got,

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Speaker 11: and even though he was booed, he said, well, you know,

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Speaker 11: we may have to think of an allo native and

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Speaker 11: the only alternative really is not just for the medical profession,

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Speaker 11: but for others to go to compulsory arbitration.

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Speaker 3: He seemed to suggest that it would just be for

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Speaker 3: health certainly from he.

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Speaker 11: Did, Yes, he did. But I think it's a wider

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Speaker 11: issue than that. And for many, many decades they did

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Speaker 11: have compulsory arbitrations. The arbitration Court issues were referred there

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Speaker 11: when negotiations broke down after a lot of trying, and

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Speaker 11: that was essentially replaced by in seventy three, at compulsory

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Speaker 11: arbitration was replaced, but then the Employment Contracts Act introduced

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Speaker 11: by Jim Boulger that when that came and that changed

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Speaker 11: the issue again. So yeah, compulsory arbitration is a possibility,

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Speaker 11: and I think maybe the government will look at that

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Speaker 11: more widely. And it's only a national government you won't

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Speaker 11: be that comes up against this thing. And the point

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Speaker 11: that Brown makes is that when you look at the

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Speaker 11: health system, it's a never ending hole for money that

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Speaker 11: you never have enough money for it. Sixteen and a

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Speaker 11: half billion additional money over the three first or three

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Speaker 11: budgets of this government. You can never satisfy a health

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Speaker 11: because it always soaks up the money.

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Speaker 3: But worse than that is that these doctors will offered

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Speaker 3: the opportunity to go to arbitration and settle the thing,

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Speaker 3: and they declined and instead struck. So that shows that

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Speaker 3: that I mean that you have to call into question

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Speaker 3: their motivations here, right. Are they actually trying to settle

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Speaker 3: the thing and get a decent pay rise or they

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Speaker 3: just trying to make a point by striking.

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Speaker 11: But why would they want to make a point and

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Speaker 11: disadvantage their.

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Speaker 3: Own because I can only think that they want more

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Speaker 3: than that what they think the arbitration would get them.

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Speaker 3: They are trying to leverage a better deal than is reasonable.

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Speaker 11: Brown says five percent time for sixteen months seem to

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Speaker 11: be a reasonable sort of a deal. I mean, these

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Speaker 11: people are not underpaid, but they do work and having

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Speaker 11: been a recipient of their work in the hospitals, they

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Speaker 11: work very, very hard and there is a shortage that

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Speaker 11: there's no doubt about that, and that's a big concern

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Speaker 11: of theirs. But you know, Simmey and Brown saying they're

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Speaker 11: playing politics some I think unions do play politics with

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Speaker 11: a national government, but I don't know about the Celery

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Speaker 11: medical professionals.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of Winston doubling down on the Fonterra, Well,

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Speaker 3: I think.

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Speaker 11: You hit the nail on the head when you said

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Speaker 11: that there will be a lot of politicking between now

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Speaker 11: and the election a year out. You've got David Seymour

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Speaker 11: and Winston Peters, you know, they come from opposite the ends.

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Speaker 11: I mean, it was really surprising to many of us

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Speaker 11: that have watched these two that they got onto a

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Speaker 11: coalition together in the first place, because they barely had

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Speaker 11: a good word to say about each other and the

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Speaker 11: lead up to the negotiations. But so you're going to

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Speaker 11: see fallouts of the sort and Winston, I guess you know,

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Speaker 11: from the old traditionalists, you'd say he had a point

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Speaker 11: that you've got very well known New Zealand brands. They

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Speaker 11: are being sold off to the French. But if you're

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Speaker 11: a farmer and you've got three to four hundred cows,

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Speaker 11: you tend to make out of this four billion dollar

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Speaker 11: deal about two hundred thousand dollars. So it's going to

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Speaker 11: be difficult for them to turn down. As you say,

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Speaker 11: they're voting at the moment. But whatever Winston says, and

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Speaker 11: these circulated farmers this morning saying they should think twice

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Speaker 11: about this, I think money always speaks volumes, and I

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Speaker 11: think they'll probably go for the dollar.

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Speaker 3: Now, have you managed to understand the ex proposal, because

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Speaker 3: I know you found this very confusing, because it is

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Speaker 3: actually confusing.

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Speaker 11: It is confusing, but essentially it boils down to if

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Speaker 11: you've got an alternative, if the retailer provides you an

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Speaker 11: alternative to pay. We're talking about the surcharge.

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Speaker 3: Then they can charge the search oarge.

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Speaker 11: Well then they can if they yes, I and many

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Speaker 11: of us including myself, go into a place, see that

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Speaker 11: there is a surcharge there, and I'll pay by f

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Speaker 11: poss rather than your credit card and I think really

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Speaker 11: the impediment should be laid at the door of credit

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Speaker 11: card companies and banks, not at retailers.

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Speaker 3: Maybe totally.

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Speaker 11: If they're going to make changes, they look at higher EACE.

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Speaker 3: So how do you think Scott Simpson feels about this?

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Speaker 3: Because it was only yesterday he was on the radio,

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Speaker 3: wasn't he He was saying, no, I'm going to bring

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Speaker 3: you a surcharge less summer.

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Speaker 11: I don't know whether he'll be able to. I mean

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Speaker 11: he's pretty insistent on it, and you must have had

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Speaker 11: the sign of surely from cabinet. But maybe it's going

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Speaker 11: to be revisited.

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Speaker 3: It sounds very much like it's going to have to

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Speaker 3: be revisited to Thank god, Barry. Thanks very much, Cab.

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Speaker 3: We'll wrap the political week that was with you later

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Speaker 3: on just after six o'clock. Barry So for senior political correspondent,

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Speaker 3: eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 7: I can't work out a way round this.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the horse is bolted when it comes to

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Speaker 3: jurisdiction and online, hasn't.

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Speaker 8: It If you're wanting to go after the actual online

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Speaker 8: provider for a day, for example, a reasonable period of

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Speaker 8: time after they receive notice to take.

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Speaker 3: Down the offending content.

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Speaker 8: Obviously they are not platform like TikTok Facebook. How are

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Speaker 8: they going to know what they're You know, people who

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Speaker 8: are on most platforms are posting if it's ture or false, right,

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Speaker 8: they need to receive notice before they can take it down.

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Speaker 8: And as you said, the horse has already bolted to

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Speaker 8: some extent because it's already been up for a period

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Speaker 8: of time and probably shared by various people.

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Speaker 1: Back Monday from six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Hither to be fair. At least Winston is getting ready

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Speaker 3: for the next election. Labor he isn't even ready for

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Speaker 3: the last one, which is actually true. Here the Auckland

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Speaker 3: Transport only has payWave at the parking machine. They removed

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Speaker 3: the swipe in the insert f boss. Well, yeah, so

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Speaker 3: there you go. There are So there are a few examples.

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Speaker 3: Five away from five now, ray Chung just getting out

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Speaker 3: to speed. In the final results coming in, ray Chung

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Speaker 3: has just narrowly scraped back onto Wellington City Council. He

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Speaker 3: came in forty five oats ahead of Labour's candidate Joy Gribbon.

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Speaker 3: You'll remember who. She's the one with the tune that

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Speaker 3: I played you last week. This is in the Onslow

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Speaker 3: Western Ward. I'll tell you what it is slightly remarkable

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Speaker 3: that ray Jung has made it back at all, because

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Speaker 3: I'll be honest with you, when he send out the

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Speaker 3: pendulous Breasts email, I thought that's the end of him.

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Speaker 3: That's it, not only the Maryalty but the Wellington City

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Speaker 3: Council as well. You're gonna talk about Tory's boobs like that,

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Speaker 3: but no, he survived the Tory boob scandal. Now, John Tookie.

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Speaker 3: You know John Tookie because John is on the show

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Speaker 3: from time to time. He's a professor of construction management

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Speaker 3: at the Auckland University of Technology. He's written a piece

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Speaker 3: today about how to rebuild Gaza. He says the damage

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Speaker 3: is similar in scale and scope to a Category four

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Speaker 3: or five hurricane after sustained bombing. He reckons the priorities

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Speaker 3: have to be first constituting the buried assets, so you

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Speaker 3: basically start under the ground first. In terms of building

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Speaker 3: the place up right, so you go for the power

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Speaker 3: of the water, of the sewage, the pumping stations, the

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Speaker 3: original lines of buried pipes will be known from city mapping,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of it it's going to be cracked

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Speaker 3: and broken and destroyed. So you're gonna have to fix

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Speaker 3: all of that up. If you don't do that, you

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Speaker 3: get outbreaks of diseases. You also then have to clear

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Speaker 3: away the unexploded bombs and ammunition. You have to demolish

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Speaker 3: the public the damaged houses and the public buildings because

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Speaker 3: otherwise they fall on people, and so huge demolition has

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Speaker 3: to happen. After you do that, then you need to

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Speaker 3: start constructing and repairing the most important things, the hospital,

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Speaker 3: the houses, the schools, the road systems, the governance infrastructure.

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Speaker 3: He says, how long is it going to take? Stalingrad

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Speaker 3: took more than twenty years to rebuild after World War II,

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Speaker 3: so it can take a very very long time. He's

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Speaker 3: going to be with us after six o'clock and just

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Speaker 3: talk us through exactly how you go about doing that.

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Speaker 3: But next up, let's have a chat to Steve Simon. Now,

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Speaker 3: Steve is the chair of the Organized Crime Task Force.

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Speaker 3: If you've been following this, you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 3: These are the guys who've released a series of reports

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Speaker 3: on how we deal with organized crime. This is the

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Speaker 3: last of their reports. They say it is a serious

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Speaker 3: national security threat to the country and we need a

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Speaker 3: minister in charge of it. News Talk zb.

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Speaker 1: To pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's

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Speaker 1: Heather duper Clan Drive with one New Zealand coverage like

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Speaker 1: no one else.

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Speaker 2: News talkshid be good afternoon.

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Speaker 3: The final report on how to tackle our organized crime

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Speaker 3: has landed. It says organized crime is now New Zealand's

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Speaker 3: greatest national security threat. We need a dedicated Minister of

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Speaker 3: organized crime and implementing anything less than the recommendations in

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Speaker 3: full will not be enough. Steve Simon is the chair

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Speaker 3: of the advisory group. Hi, Steve, Hey, how do you

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Speaker 3: judge it to be the greatest national security threat that

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Speaker 3: we face?

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Speaker 15: From speaking to senior members of the police and customs

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Speaker 15: and other agencies, talking to them about the size of

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Speaker 15: the threat that we have now, and also by looking

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Speaker 15: at the international experience, whether that's the UK, the Pacific

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Speaker 15: or Australia and seeing where it could go and get

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Speaker 15: particularly worse. So we see it as both a threat

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Speaker 15: now and potentially getting much worse as a threat for

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Speaker 15: New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Right I mean, I can see it as a health threat,

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Speaker 3: right if you've got drugs being done. I can see

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Speaker 3: it as a crime threat if you've got criminals involved.

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Speaker 3: But how does it become a security threat.

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Speaker 15: Because organized crime is effectively affecting every New Zealander, whether

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Speaker 15: it's because our wastewater results have doubled in the last year,

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Speaker 15: we have the effects of a greater community of people

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Speaker 15: consuming meth andphetamine, and whether that results in myth related

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Speaker 15: violence or in myth related car accidents causing fatalities. Whether

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Speaker 15: it's fraud where one in ten New Zealanders has been

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Speaker 15: a victim of fraud within the last year, and that

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Speaker 15: number is growing, and so we're seeing the vulnerability of

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Speaker 15: our community to cyber fraud and the like. Whether it's

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Speaker 15: emerging threats like migrant exploitation, which means that the products

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Speaker 15: we buy, the services we use may be contributing towards

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Speaker 15: migrant exploitation. Whether it's simple things like black market tobacco,

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Speaker 15: people getting the cigarettes, getting them through the black market

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Speaker 15: at a cheaper price, but New Zealanders bearing the social

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Speaker 15: costs and the health costs that are associated with those cigarettes

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Speaker 15: not having paid revenue.

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Speaker 3: On when you go to ministers and you tell that

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Speaker 3: this is your view. Do they take you seriously? Can

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Speaker 3: you see that it lands?

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Speaker 15: Yes, I've been pleasantly surprised at how much support there

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Speaker 15: has been at a minister level. It helps that Minister Costello,

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Speaker 15: who was the person driving this, has a background in

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Speaker 15: the police and also did a lot of work in

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Speaker 15: the migrant exploitation space. Obviously, mister Mitchell similarly has been

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Speaker 15: in the police, and so they know from the front

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Speaker 15: lines the issues we're talking about and live from the

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Speaker 15: reporting that's been done from their agencies as to how

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Speaker 15: big the thread is. And so there has been a

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Speaker 15: lot of support. We're just hoping that support will translate

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Speaker 15: into our recommendations being adopted.

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Speaker 3: Do we really need another minister though? Could we not

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Speaker 3: leave this with the police minister?

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Speaker 7: We could?

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Speaker 15: I guess my point would be at the moment, our

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Speaker 15: response organized crime has split over some thirteen different agencies,

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Speaker 15: and so what we have at the moment is thirteen

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Speaker 15: different agencies and arguably more being involved in that response.

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Speaker 15: What we have as a police minister and a police

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Speaker 15: commissioner who are dealing with a wide variety of work already.

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Speaker 15: So whether that's domestic violence, shop listing, meth related harm,

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Speaker 15: all of those things falling within the ambit of police.

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Speaker 15: Obviously organized crime is a big component of that. But

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Speaker 15: what we need is someone who can pull together the

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Speaker 15: work the police are doing, customs are doing, the IA, MPI,

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Speaker 15: all these other agencies, but also tie in the private

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Speaker 15: world and the communities to be part of one global,

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Speaker 15: well sorry, one complete response to organized crime. We need

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Speaker 15: that accountability so the public can know who is taking charge,

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Speaker 15: who is responsible for responding to organized crime, point to

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Speaker 15: them and be able to say, look, we're holding your

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Speaker 15: accountable for them to also hold all these agencies to

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Speaker 15: account as well.

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Speaker 3: Steve, Thanks very much for you time appreciated. Steve Simon,

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Speaker 3: Chair of the Ministerial Advisory Group on Organized Crime.

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Speaker 2: Together Do for Clans act looks like it.

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Speaker 3: Might tell off the planned surcharge ban. Now, the plan

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Speaker 3: was to ban retailers from putting a surcharge on contactless

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Speaker 3: credit card purchases so that they use to cover the

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Speaker 3: fees that they pay, but acts written to National proposing

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Speaker 3: to actually allow businesses to continue with the surcharges as

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Speaker 3: long as they give customers an alternative way to pay,

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Speaker 3: like cash or f poss AX, PALG parmas with us. Now,

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Speaker 3: Hi palmeg Hi heada. Is this a proposal that you

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Speaker 3: may or may not go with or is this a

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Speaker 3: line in the sand and this is what you want?

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Speaker 13: So the bill is going through the Select Committee process.

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Speaker 13: So I have put this idea to the Select Committee

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Speaker 13: at the start of the process. And as you know

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Speaker 13: that many bills have been adjusted in the Select Committy process.

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Speaker 13: So I'll be really looking forward to seeing what submitters

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Speaker 13: have to say on this amendment I propose.

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Speaker 3: If National says to yet not, we're not going to

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Speaker 3: do that. It's a ban on everything all charges. Will

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Speaker 3: you support that?

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Speaker 13: So this bill is a government policy and actors committed

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Speaker 13: to supporting a government position, but that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 13: we can't put our ideas forward. So I have done

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Speaker 13: that and now it's in the hands of the Select Committee.

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Speaker 3: Have you heard back from Scott Simpson on this.

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Speaker 11: Not yet?

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Speaker 3: Directly, are you convinced of the merits of banning all surcharges?

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Speaker 13: So what I've heard from businesses is this that it

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Speaker 13: is going to impose a huge amount of cost and

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Speaker 13: businesses obviously that depends on businesses turnover and That's where

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Speaker 13: I have come up with this position because my position

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Speaker 13: is about choice and cost. It's about saving different modes

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Speaker 13: of payment, also stopping inflation, because if businesses can't search

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Speaker 13: charge for PAYWAF, they will build the cost of that

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Speaker 13: in their products and then everybody who is using other

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Speaker 13: modes of payment will also end up paying the cost

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Speaker 13: towards that. That will result in higher prices for everybody,

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Speaker 13: and I want to stop that.

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Speaker 3: So that's the idea. Be okay you, I agree with

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Speaker 3: you on everything you just said, So how can you

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Speaker 3: support the surcharge ban then?

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Speaker 13: So what I'm saying is that if a business is

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Speaker 13: not providing any other choice, then the band should be applicates.

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Speaker 3: I know, but I asked, should not thought if they

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Speaker 3: don't accept this proposal? Will you still support the surcharge banning?

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Speaker 3: You said yes, But how can you if you know

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Speaker 3: that it's going to impose costs on businesses?

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Speaker 13: It is going to and as I said, the bill

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Speaker 13: is government policy. An actors committed to supporting the government position.

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Speaker 13: But as I said, many legislations have been changed in

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Speaker 13: the Select Committy process, and that's what I'm looking forward

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Speaker 13: to this bill.

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Speaker 3: Beings for you Okay, So alternative theory, have you given

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Speaker 3: Scott Simpson a way out of this little conundrum that

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Speaker 3: he's found himself in.

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Speaker 13: So I have put my idea forward to this Select Committee,

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Speaker 13: because now the bill isn't the Select Committee, not with

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Speaker 13: the Minister, so it will be reported back and we'll

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Speaker 13: have to see what form it is reported back.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Palmjet appreciated. Pumjeet Palmer, ACT Party Commerce and Consumer

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Speaker 3: Fair spokesperson. I have a suspicion, I just think just

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Speaker 3: alternative theory here that maybe ACT has just given Scott

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Speaker 3: Simpson a way out of a terrible policy because at

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Speaker 3: the moment, if he imposes this policy, he is going

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Speaker 3: to be getting a lot of retailers offside just before

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Speaker 3: the election. So it might have given him a little

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Speaker 3: out here quarter past. Heather got to get you across

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Speaker 3: as a terrible sports clash that's happened. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: ruin you through that. Just a bit of an update

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Speaker 3: really quickly on the Tom Phillips case. The mother of

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Speaker 3: the three children has now joined the legal proceeding proceedings

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Speaker 3: to keep that information you know that we all know

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Speaker 3: about secret. It was originally brought by Tom Phillips's mother

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Speaker 3: with Linda Clark as her lawyer. Now the mother of

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Speaker 3: the three children has joined different lawyer, Michael Bott knows

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Speaker 3: his way around a courtroom, so he'll be good. The

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Speaker 3: information still remains suppressed. This is the third time the

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00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 3: judge has suppressed it. She says this is Justice Cull

876
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 3: that she's going to release a minute based on her

877
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 3: decision today, which I think we will all be pleased

878
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: to understand what's going on here. But apparently there is

879
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 3: no end in sight here and this suppression may go

880
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 3: on for a very long time. Newstalk zb ah, Okay,

881
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,319
Speaker 3: this is what's happening with the sports clash. So I

882
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 3: want to say this is a little bit like the

883
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: Warriors versus the All Blacks clash, But I think if

884
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 3: we're all honest about it, it's like that, but like

885
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 3: a level down. But it's still annoying because this time

886
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 3: it's Canterbury's NPC semi final, which is happening tomorrow night

887
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 3: at exactly the same time as the black Caps are

888
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: playing the T twenty against England tomorrow night at Hagley.

889
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: So apparently what happened is there was some I mean,

890
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 3: you can't be having this right because if you're into sports,

891
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: you probably want to watch the MPC semi final and

892
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 3: you definitely want to watch the T twenty right. So

893
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 3: apparently what happened is that there was discussion about maybe

894
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: moving something around. So there's some chat about maybe bringing

895
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: the the NPC semi final forward and them doing it

896
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 3: this evening, but that wasn't gonna work for the rugby

897
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 3: boys because they need a little bit more time to

898
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 3: turn the thing around, and so as a result, that

899
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 3: couldn't possibly happen. So then there was some chat about

900
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 3: maybe shifting. If you're gonna shift one of the two,

901
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: you're gonna you are gonna shift the NPC right and

902
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,759
Speaker 3: you're gonna leave the black Caps because it's an international

903
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: at the time. So they thought maybe they'll bring that

904
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: forward a couple of hours to borrow, maybe do that

905
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 3: at five o'clock and then do the black Caps at

906
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: seven o'clock. No, said sky Sky TV is not going

907
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 3: to do it. Sky TV has got the rugby playing on.

908
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 3: If they've got the rugby and the crickets on TV

909
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: and Z now, I don't know, I don't know. I'm

910
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 3: not sure that that's the smartest idea. I think that

911
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 3: may be a little bit of flexibility given what happened

912
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 3: with the rugby with the Warriors. Remember it led to

913
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 3: a dip in the All Blacks numbers, and if it

914
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: can dip for the All Blacks, it will dip for

915
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 3: the NPC. So we'll have a chat to the sports

916
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 3: huddle when they were with us shortly right now, it's

917
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: twenty past five. Now Kaipita District Council has voted to

918
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 3: make an official complaint about their election to the Department

919
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 3: of Internal Affairs. Craig Jepson is the outgoing Kiperer mayor

920
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 3: and he's the one who asked for the complaint to

921
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 3: be made. He's with us. Hi, Craig hem, well, thank you.

922
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 3: What is it that you're concerned about.

923
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 16: I look, I was hated increasing concerns about what was

924
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 16: coming before me, about the the way the election process

925
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 16: was being run. I had lots of stuff balked to

926
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 16: my attention and I thought it was it's a meal.

927
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 16: It was my responsibility to bring this concerns to the

928
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 16: attention of the full Council and get directions how they

929
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 16: wish to proceed. So we've had a complaint to the

930
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 16: da asking them to investigate. It's up to them now.

931
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 3: Okay, So what's the worst thing you heard that was happening.

932
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 16: Well, for example, we had Toto to Trinity running of

933
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 16: running a vote voting station of all things at the

934
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 16: Unitech and Long Array. They had hard out signs telling

935
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 16: people they had to vote for the Mary Ward. They

936
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 16: had people in running that station or that event take

937
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 16: for taking votes who had t shirts with the most

938
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 16: votes of Solomon. I think I sent Laura, You're producer,

939
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 16: a photo that we've had instances where we have got

940
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 16: people running our election process here in Kuipra who have

941
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 16: relations who are candidates who weren't bettered out of the process.

942
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,759
Speaker 16: I've got heavy concerns about the fact that that we

943
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:05,759
Speaker 16: had a mobile voting unit which was specifically targeted at

944
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 16: demographics to harvest to high believe harvest dates from aery constituents,

945
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:17,879
Speaker 16: whereby they did an advantage where the biggest missing vote

946
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 16: in our community is actually absent to you house owners

947
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 16: who live in Auckland and come out in the weekend,

948
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 16: but our council is not open in the weekend for

949
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 16: them to go and do a special vote or be

950
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 16: be enrolled. And so yeah, they miss out, so the

951
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 16: whole thing was targeted in my opinion.

952
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: Okay, Craig, listen because we struggle to get you up

953
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 3: on the phone. We've actually run out of time, but

954
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 3: you just hang on there and I'm just going to

955
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 3: see if we can maybe get Laura to ask you

956
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: a few more questions. Just got to clarify a few

957
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: more things. That's Craig Jackson, Craig Jipson, the outgoing Kaipata

958
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 3: District mayor five twenty two.

959
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

960
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. It's hither duper clan

961
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand and of power a satellite mobile.

962
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: Well can use talks be.

963
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 3: Okay, We've got a little bit more information from Craig.

964
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: I'll get you to that and just to take five

965
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: to twenty five hard to believe. But there is another

966
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: problem with Prince Andrew. This time it's been revealed in

967
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 3: the UK papers that he met the Chinese spy master

968
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 3: at the center of the spy case that has just

969
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 3: fallen over in the UK. And he's met this guy

970
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 3: three times now. Look, I'm not going to get you

971
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 3: into the details. It's kind of technical, but on the

972
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: scale of Prince Andrew scandals, it's not a big one.

973
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: It's certainly nowhere near as big as the scandal that

974
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 3: erupted earlier this week when we found out he'd email

975
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein after he was supposed to have cut ties

976
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: with him and then said we'll play some more soon,

977
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 3: which definitely makes Prince Andrew a liar and possibly makes

978
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 3: him a creep as well. Now, what is going to

979
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: be really interesting here is what King Charles does about him,

980
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: Because there is a lot of pressure building on Charles

981
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,840
Speaker 3: and the UK papers to strip all of Andrew's titles

982
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 3: from him. There's also public support for it, and there's

983
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 3: some rationale as well, because apparently this is not the

984
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 3: end of the Prince Andrew scandals. There's more to come

985
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 3: trouble for Charles's It's not straightforward. These things never are.

986
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: Some of Andrew's titles, like the fact that he's a prince,

987
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: simply can't be taken off him he's born into it.

988
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: Others can, like the dukedom, but that would require a

989
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 3: law change which is very public and very drawn out. Potentially.

990
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 3: Others absolutely should be taken off them, like the fact

991
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 3: that he's a counselor of state, which basically means that

992
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 3: if something happens to King Charles, then Andrew can deputize

993
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 3: for him, and I think that is something none of

994
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 3: us want. Charles, though, might not want to take the

995
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: titles away from him and toss him out of the

996
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 3: house and cut all the pocket money from him, because

997
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 3: then Charles would have no control over Andrew. At the moment,

998
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: everything that is being revealed about Andrew is historic right

999
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 3: right now, he's actually behaving himself because he doesn't want

1000
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: to lose what little he's got. But if he was

1001
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 3: out on his ear, all bets would be off for

1002
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: the money or the vengeance. He might do a Harry,

1003
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,760
Speaker 3: write a book, maybe strike a Netflix steel, tell everything

1004
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 3: he knows in the end. I reckon what's going to

1005
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 3: happen here is that Andrew might lose a little bit

1006
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: to satisfy the public in the media, but not everything,

1007
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 3: because as they say, keep your enemies or your extremely

1008
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 3: problematic brothers close.

1009
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 2: Ever duple see Ellen.

1010
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: Okay, So what's happened with Andrew with Craig Jepson, who

1011
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 3: we were just talking to, is that he has that

1012
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 3: he and the Council have now voted to file a

1013
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: complaint with the Department of Internal Affairs about what's gone

1014
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 3: on with the election. They basically want an investigation here.

1015
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,439
Speaker 3: The Department of Internal Affairs has written back to ask

1016
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 3: because we've asked them, written back to us and said

1017
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 3: this is not our jurisdiction. We cannot do this. He's

1018
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 3: gone to completely the wrong place now. He believes the

1019
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 3: Department of Internal Affairs is wrong. He believes the the

1020
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 3: Department of Internal Affairs is going to have to investigate. So, I,

1021
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 3: frankly don't know what he does. What do you do

1022
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 3: in this situation? You've written to them, you're sure that

1023
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 3: they should do something, they're sure that they shouldn't. Would

1024
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 3: what happens next? Anyway, good luck to him, I say,

1025
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 3: I suppose have we got the results here bought? Still

1026
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 3: not lord, and we're not even put out of our

1027
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 3: misery that these results were supposed to come out at

1028
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: four o'clock and they haven't yet. And I don't know

1029
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 3: if they even will receive him. But as soon as

1030
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 3: they do so we can find out out what happened here,

1031
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 3: we will rebringing them to you. Anyway, Sports Tittle is

1032
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: with us next and we'll talk about the network new

1033
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 3: stook tepe.

1034
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: Cutting through the noise to get the facts. It's Heather

1035
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 2: do for c.

1036
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: Ellen Drive with one New Zealand coverage like no one

1037
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: else news talks.

1038
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 7: They'd be could you take.

1039
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 17: Me, Heather?

1040
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 3: My mate just told me at his kids' school next

1041
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 3: week the teachers are striking on Thursday, have a teacher's

1042
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 3: only day on Friday. I knew this was going to happen.

1043
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: I knew this was going to happen. And then of

1044
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 3: course Monday is a public holiday, so they're taking the purse.

1045
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 3: If Sami incapitulates, national loses my vote, Andy, how good

1046
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:46,959
Speaker 3: is that? I mean, you knew this was You knew

1047
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 3: this was going to happen. Didn't knew that the teachers

1048
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: were going to strike on everybody striking on Thursday? And

1049
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 3: guarantee you like I because remember like it's teens of

1050
00:49:55,760 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: thousands of public workers are striking next Thursday. Oh man,

1051
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 3: somebody has got to leak, Like, if you're on one

1052
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: of these organizations and you're in charge of rostering the leaves,

1053
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 3: please leak. How many of them also take the Friday

1054
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:14,760
Speaker 3: off so they can go nice labour weekend holiday Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday,

1055
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 3: five days. That's awesome. Don't tell me, Do not tell

1056
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 3: me that these people are striking for any reason other

1057
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 3: than politics and taking the absolute piss, aren't they anyway?

1058
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 3: Listen on something else altogether. Japan. You know how we

1059
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: were going to get the first female prime minister of

1060
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 3: Japan might not happen. So Peter Lewis will talk us

1061
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: through what's going on there in an hour's time. Right now,

1062
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 3: it's twenty three away from six.

1063
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: Come the Friday sports titles with New Zealand Souburby's International Realty.

1064
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: Find your one of a kind.

1065
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,120
Speaker 3: Bomb sports title would be this evening. We have Nathan

1066
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 3: Lim the Herald sports reporter and Nikky Styris sports journalist.

1067
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 3: Hello you too, Good afternoon, Heather, Good afternoon now, Nathan,

1068
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,800
Speaker 3: welcome back, because you've been on a big long holiday.

1069
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 3: So how keen are you to come straight from Florida

1070
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 3: and into the netball tonight.

1071
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 18: I'm chomping at the bit here there's been as the

1072
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 18: netball reported, and you go on leave. I was just

1073
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 18: very fortunate that there was a very quiet time in netball.

1074
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 18: There was very much going on at all. No, nothing dramatic.

1075
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 3: Was happening at all happened and nothing happened, Nathan, because

1076
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 3: we're still in the same position.

1077
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 18: Left, what are we getting on for six weeks now

1078
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 18: since stone ni Lean Totals stood down. So no, it's

1079
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 18: an absolute mess. It's an absolute mess. And the handling

1080
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 18: of this crisis is I suppose the thing that there's

1081
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 18: where the scrutiny should be on. The scrutiny should not

1082
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 18: be on the players who complained. The players obviously had

1083
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 18: an issue, they stood up, they said something to the

1084
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 18: Players Association anonymously, and from there they've been completely thrown

1085
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,240
Speaker 18: under the bus because the situation has gone on for

1086
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 18: months now, if you date it back to the camp

1087
00:51:53,160 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 18: in January, the situation has been left to Festa and

1088
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 18: it just hasn't been handled.

1089
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 3: I'm not as sympathetic to the players as you are,

1090
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: because if you read what's going on, apparently some of

1091
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: them are refusing to play if Dame Noles comes back,

1092
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 3: So they're not that thrown under the bus.

1093
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 18: Well, I suppose the issue here here there is that

1094
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 18: we don't know what's true. All we're hearing are these

1095
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 18: little scraps of information. So you're saying, apparently the players

1096
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 18: are saying this, Well, apparently the players are saying that,

1097
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 18: and blah blah blah blah blah. We don't know what

1098
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 18: the players have said. We don't know the who what

1099
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,320
Speaker 18: when we're whye how this is true. All we're getting

1100
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 18: told is we have to respect the process and respect

1101
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,879
Speaker 18: the parties involved. The parties are not being respected because

1102
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 18: they're just being dragged through the mud in the public

1103
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 18: because when there's no information, people make assumptions and people guess,

1104
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 18: and then people who aren't even involved, players who aren't

1105
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 18: involved get thrown under the bus as well because there's

1106
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 18: no accountability.

1107
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 3: Yep, this is true. Do you think here and Nicky,

1108
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 3: that the players can actually because from what we're hearing,

1109
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: there are splits in the camp right, so some players

1110
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 3: are annoyed at Grace for having said what she said last.

1111
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 3: Do you reckon that they can get their heads out

1112
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 3: of this and actually play together cohesively.

1113
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 19: Well, before I address that, I just want to say

1114
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 19: I think the actions of Grace and Wicki was actually

1115
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 19: incredibly selfish and actually totally unacceptable, and I hope she

1116
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 19: was hauled over the Colts for it. Because all it

1117
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 19: did was selfishly undermine the interim coach if it calls

1118
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 19: and jury. It undermined the players that are there if

1119
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 19: they didn't agree with her, and the employment issue that

1120
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 19: is obviously ongoing that we don't know anything about.

1121
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 4: So it was a really selfish act on her behalf.

1122
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 19: And I think to what Nathan said, the reason that

1123
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 19: we don't know anything, I think is because I think

1124
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 19: there's more to this issue than we're being told. Let's

1125
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 19: face it, well, look, if Dame no Ling is your

1126
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 19: best coach ever with regards to results, and you were

1127
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 19: New Zealand Neppule, why would you not want a resolution?

1128
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 4: Why would you not want her back?

1129
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 19: You absolutely would, so you would find a way to

1130
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 19: get a resolution. The fact that they haven't got one

1131
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 19: suggests to me, I don't know any more than you

1132
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 19: do that there is more to this than meets the eye.

1133
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 18: So again we're just guessing. We're just we have no idea,

1134
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 18: No one has any idea. So again this is a

1135
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 18: thing of I We'll just assume something based on the

1136
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 18: complete lack of information we have. I completely disagree with

1137
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 18: you in regards to Grace. By the way, I totally

1138
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 18: understand that in that speech she should have said I

1139
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 18: want you back instead of we on behalf as the captain.

1140
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:21,799
Speaker 9: Newson speaking behind, he doesn't disagree with me.

1141
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 18: But if she said nothing and then Knowles didn't come back,

1142
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 18: She'd be sitting there going, oh, what if I'd said something?

1143
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 18: What if I'd been honest? What if I'd spoken out

1144
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 18: in support of her? What if I've been brave? Because

1145
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,880
Speaker 18: all the players have been told us don't speak, and

1146
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 18: they obviously don't all agree with that.

1147
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 19: There wasn't her place to do that. It was not

1148
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,879
Speaker 19: her place to do that, But why not.

1149
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 18: The whole the whole reason we're in this situation because

1150
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 18: players voice concerns. If she has a different opinion, and

1151
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 18: she's a player and she voices.

1152
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 19: That she was doing it on behalf of newsic of

1153
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 19: that team and a post game stand up, that's that's

1154
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 19: not the right platform.

1155
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 18: But we can all read between the lines that that's

1156
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 18: her personal opinion, right, we can all read between in

1157
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 18: the lines.

1158
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 19: I don't agree. I don't agree anyway. I think the

1159
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,920
Speaker 19: thing is New Zealand Netbull's hands are pretty tired now.

1160
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 19: I mean, even if they wanted her back, they can't

1161
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 19: reinstate her without resolving the review's findings. They can't resolve

1162
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 19: her without addressing these employee well being obligations, and they

1163
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 19: have to complete the mediation in a way that legally

1164
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 19: protects the organization.

1165
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 4: So they're actually a bit screwed.

1166
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 19: So whether, to your question, hither, whether that actually affects

1167
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 19: the way these girls play.

1168
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,479
Speaker 4: This evening remains to be seen.

1169
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 19: But boy, their backs are up against it because you know,

1170
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 19: not only are they up against Australian side that's formidable,

1171
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 19: they you know, there's dissension in the.

1172
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 4: Ranks clearly, so it's going to be really interesting to watch.

1173
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 18: They did beats South Africa three nail with all the

1174
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 18: hanging over their heads, so they pulled it together for

1175
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 18: that and won a series three nail.

1176
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 3: Yes, so fingers crossed, maybe they can I agree with you.

1177
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 2: I hope they do.

1178
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 3: Do you Reckon Sky made the right call yesterday and

1179
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: sorry not moving the rugby tomorrow?

1180
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:03,960
Speaker 4: Yeah totally. But look, they've got way way more issues

1181
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 4: to deal with than player fan base.

1182
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 19: They've got a lot of considerations with their commercial partnerships.

1183
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 19: There's considerations around whether the players actually you know, have

1184
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,280
Speaker 19: time to change their schedules, They've got maybe logistical issues

1185
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,279
Speaker 19: around their operational you know, broadcasts, things like that.

1186
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 4: So there's I think there's a lot of fact that they.

1187
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 3: May these audience right, because that's what happened with the

1188
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: Warriors and the All Blacks. The All Blacks match wasn't

1189
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 3: it wasn't actually that white. It wasn't the best viewing numbers.

1190
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: They could have got people still watching the Warriors. Something

1191
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 3: might play out here.

1192
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 4: Yea possibly, but it just might have been too late,

1193
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, the obligations they've got.

1194
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,879
Speaker 3: I'm going to go T twenty over NPC what about you.

1195
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:51,759
Speaker 18: Know, Yeah, I'm not supporting either of the NPC teams,

1196
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 18: so yeah, I'm going to watch the cricket instead. I

1197
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 18: think though that you know, the T twenty, the scheduling

1198
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 18: of that was locked in since what March, Whereas they

1199
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 18: always knew that they were going to have an NPC

1200
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 18: semi final, so they could have just like they knew

1201
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 18: that the cricket was going to be on this night,

1202
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,600
Speaker 18: they could have scheduled the NPC semi final. So when

1203
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 18: you're talking about players changing their own plans, well, the

1204
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 18: NPC semi final could have just been scheduled way earlier, earlier,

1205
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 18: because instead they're they're playing what is it a an

1206
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 18: Australia a versus Japan fifteen game and that five pm

1207
00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 18: five pm slot? Who's going to watch that?

1208
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 20: No?

1209
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 3: Well watch the sports.

1210
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 9: No, I'm not going to watch it.

1211
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 18: So if I'm not going to watch it, then who's

1212
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 18: going to watch it?

1213
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: Quite all right, We'll take a break. Come back to

1214
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 3: you guys shortly. Oh lord, I just turned my own

1215
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 3: microphone off.

1216
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 18: Nathan, do you want me to do the outright?

1217
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 3: Can you go on?

1218
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 15: Then?

1219
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 3: Who are speaking to?

1220
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 18: Who are you speaking to?

1221
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 17: No?

1222
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 3: Maybe you shouldn't. Nathan Lemon Nikki staris back in to

1223
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: take sixteen away from six.

1224
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: The Friday Sports title with New Zealand Southby's International real team,

1225
00:57:50,720 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: the Global Leader and Luxury real Estate.

1226
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,640
Speaker 3: Right, you're back with the sports huddle, Nicky Starrus and

1227
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: Nathan Liminicky, do you reckon the NRLs made the right

1228
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 3: call with the ten year band for any of the

1229
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 3: players go to the Soudias.

1230
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 4: No, No, I don't.

1231
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 19: And the reason I say that is because I don't

1232
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 19: think it's got any legal legs. It's not going to

1233
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 19: hold up legally, so It's almost like a bit of

1234
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 19: a false threat in some ways. It's really impossible to

1235
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 19: defend that under the current Australian employment law.

1236
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 4: I think they look if they.

1237
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 19: Pressed ahead and actually tried to enforce it, then they're

1238
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 19: going to face incredible you know, restraint of trade, litigation

1239
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 19: and things. What they should have done, I think is

1240
00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 19: they should have condemned it absolutely if that's how they feel.

1241
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 19: But can she done what Rugby Union has done and

1242
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 19: taken a slightly safer path there and saying Okay, you

1243
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 19: will be ineligible for national selection, but you won't be

1244
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 19: banned for club rugby or you know, sort of any

1245
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 19: employment and that sort of that reduces the risk for

1246
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 19: them Otherwise it just it just feels like a really

1247
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 19: sort of a threat that just won't stand up.

1248
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 3: I'm not even sure, Nathan, why they're so stressed out

1249
00:58:59,080 --> 00:58:59,480
Speaker 3: about this.

1250
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 18: When I read what it was, it just sort of

1251
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 18: struck me as really extreme, because it's not just if

1252
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 18: you go there, it's if you talk to them about

1253
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 18: going there. It's about having a conversation, and so the

1254
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 18: player agents as well would be banned for initiating those

1255
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 18: conversations with Rugby three sixty so if you even talk

1256
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 18: to Rugby three sixty you get banned from the NRAL

1257
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 18: for ten years. It's a bit like your mum's saying

1258
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 18: to you, Oh, there's this lolli jar. You're not allowed

1259
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 18: to touch the lollijo, and if you do touch the loti jar,

1260
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 18: I'll have you put down, you know, Like it just

1261
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 18: seems way over the top. And I do think, I

1262
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 18: do think it's just a bit of a threat because

1263
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 18: the big question I had, the same as you, is

1264
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 18: there's no way this holds up legally, Like surely I'm

1265
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 18: not a lawyer, but surely we get a lawyer to

1266
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,919
Speaker 18: talk about it, because I don't see how they could

1267
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 18: enforce it.

1268
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 3: Do you reckon?

1269
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 4: The thing? Is healer?

1270
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 7: Sorry?

1271
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 4: Sorry?

1272
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 19: I think the thing is they're nervous because you know,

1273
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 19: they've probably watched you know, the PGA and the Live tour,

1274
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 19: and they're seeing these Saudi's coming in with you know,

1275
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 19: very very deep pockets and they don't want disruption to

1276
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 19: their sport, their codes. So they're trying, well, if we

1277
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 19: can nip it in the bud now before it even

1278
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 19: you know, gain that attraction.

1279
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 3: That means that they think that they're actually going to

1280
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 3: lose significant numbers of like quite good players.

1281
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 19: Well potentially no, but you know they're more likely to

1282
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 19: be players at the back end of their career.

1283
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 4: But they just, yeah, they won't want the disruption.

1284
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 19: They just you know, and so they just go, Okay,

1285
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 19: we can stop it now because these guys are going

1286
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 19: to throw shit ton of money at them and we're

1287
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 19: going to have nothing.

1288
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 18: It's like, so Roger to Ivarsischek was one of the

1289
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 18: players approaches a player who's obviously great, he's a name,

1290
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 18: and he's in the twilight of his career, so it

1291
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 18: would be an easy way for him to go and

1292
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 18: make a million a season sort of can conclude his

1293
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 18: career in the sports of rugby and rugby league. So

1294
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 18: I don't think it's going to be I doubt it's

1295
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 18: going to be stripping away sort of young talent. But

1296
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 18: if you've got players who are and as I said,

1297
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 18: the twilight of their careers and then they cop a

1298
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 18: ten year band, then they're obviously not going to return

1299
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 18: after ten years, that just sort of ends it.

1300
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, But in which case Roger to ivarsas Sheck isn't

1301
01:00:59,360 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 3: put off by this.

1302
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 18: So those players who have already started talking to rugby

1303
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Speaker 18: through sex. Down'd be really interested to know where those

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Speaker 18: conversations are up to and do they dare continue them

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Speaker 18: because you do them in secret?

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Speaker 3: Nikki, do you reckon that we're on? See the Australian

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Speaker 3: schoolboys have beaten our school boys in the rugby like

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Speaker 3: given them a proper thrashing a couple of times. Have

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Speaker 3: we got a problem here?

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Speaker 4: I think potentially. I remember watching it.

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Speaker 19: A good friend of ours, Niko Stanley, was actually started

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Speaker 19: in that New Zealand team and unfortunately he incurred an

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Speaker 19: injury so he couldn't continue. So we did take an interest.

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Speaker 19: And when Scott told me it was eighty one forty eight,

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Speaker 19: you know, the game that we were watching, I was like, crikey,

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Speaker 19: that's not good.

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Speaker 4: So I think it is a stark warning for what

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Speaker 4: rugby depth we've got here.

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Speaker 19: Or I guess you could sit there and go, well,

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Speaker 19: you know, we put a lot of money into sort

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Speaker 19: of the club and the academies and that part of

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Speaker 19: the pathway, but are we doing enough at the schoolboy

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Speaker 19: level and is there sort of a disconnection there that

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Speaker 19: needs to be you know, need to be worked on.

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Speaker 19: I'm not a rugby expert. So I'm not going to

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Speaker 19: sit here and say how we fix that, but I

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Speaker 19: definitely do think that's an incredible warning to rugby as product.

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Speaker 18: There's a distinction we do have to make here though.

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Speaker 18: Here there is that Australia fielded an under eighteen side

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Speaker 18: and New Zealand fielded a school boy side. So the

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Speaker 18: difference between those two sides is that if you are,

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Speaker 18: from my understanding, if you are seventeen on the first

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Speaker 18: of January, you qualify for an under eighteen side. So

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Speaker 18: someone like me who was born in January, I would

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Speaker 18: have qualified for that under eighteen side the year after

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Speaker 18: I finished school. So Australia, we're going to have players

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Speaker 18: in that team who were bigger and then at that

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Speaker 18: age for teenage boys, you know, eighteen nineteen years old,

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Speaker 18: a year of growth is quite a lot. And those

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Speaker 18: players who come out of school they go into the

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Speaker 18: super rugby environment, so they actually have a significant amount

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Speaker 18: of time in a super rugby environment, getting those that

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Speaker 18: sort of coaching in that level. They're going to grow

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Speaker 18: a huge amount of time in those few months. And

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Speaker 18: if you've got a group of players, a team with

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Speaker 18: players in it who've had that kind of development and

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Speaker 18: a team that hasn't, then the Australia team's obviously going

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Speaker 18: to have a big advantage. The question here is do

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Speaker 18: we change the structure of New Zealand's competition so instead

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Speaker 18: instead of having a school boy team, we have an

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Speaker 18: under eighteen team sixteen?

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Speaker 3: And then, yeah, they didn't love that.

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Speaker 18: Well, the schools pushed back against it. New Zealand Rugby

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01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 18: floated the idea of the schools like it, so we

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Speaker 18: stuck with the schoolboys team. So if we want to

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Speaker 18: keep the same structure, we are going to get flogged

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Speaker 18: by Australia every year. All we changed the structure and

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Speaker 18: we put up a fight.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, fair enough, now, Nathan, Now I do agree with

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Speaker 19: you on this netple not so much, but definitely the rugby.

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Speaker 18: Well, okay, that's good.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to say I'm glad you guys have

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Speaker 3: made Nikka. Do you want to say happy birthday to anybody?

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Speaker 14: Oh?

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Speaker 19: Yes, I'd love to say happy birthday to three year

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Speaker 19: old Meyler Herman, who was my little granddaughter.

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Speaker 4: And I'm actually en route. I'm sitting in the car because.

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Speaker 19: I'm on my way around there to shower her with

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Speaker 19: gifts she is an absolute character.

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Speaker 4: She's got about as.

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Speaker 19: Much spunk and fight as your grandmother. Nathan, You'll be

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Speaker 19: pleased to hear that. That's goods an absolute delight. And

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Speaker 19: then tomorrow, tomorrow I've got that I'm hosting the party

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Speaker 19: year old and the one year old because Fin tunes

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Speaker 19: one next week.

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Speaker 4: So the busy time in our household.

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Speaker 3: Tell you what I'll say it now, I've said it

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Speaker 3: before us out again, Nikki, you're too hot to be

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Speaker 3: a grandmother. Thank you for joining us, Nicky star of

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Speaker 3: Snap and Live in the Sports having seven away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather dupers Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Art Radio powered by News Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Heather, can we please have the kip at a district

1384
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 3: council election result? A lot of people are commenting on

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Speaker 3: Facebook that snow Tara has one, but it has yet

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01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 3: to be confirmed. No bit, we still as I said

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Speaker 3: to you, I'm going to tell you the minute that

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Speaker 3: we have that result. We do not have the result yet.

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Speaker 3: I suspect that the possible winning of snow Tarna, which

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Speaker 3: would actually frankly be a surprise to a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: is the very reason may well be part of why

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Speaker 3: Craig Jepson is laying this complaint right because you just

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Speaker 3: put you just figure it out for yourself based on

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Speaker 3: what he said. Heather, watch the video of Grace were

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Speaker 3: you're making the comment Evett mcclausland, Drewy was nodding in

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Speaker 3: agreement with Grace. We commented on it when we were

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Speaker 3: watching live. Thank you for that. Here the who bloody

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Speaker 3: cares they're going to get thrashed anyway in the netball

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Speaker 3: and Grace we're playing for Australia within two years, Mike

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Speaker 3: my words, just I hope not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Now, listen, I've got to keep you up to speed

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Speaker 3: on God what so much, so much much. No, I

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Speaker 3: can't tell you that. Can't tell you about the SUV's wait,

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Speaker 3: I've got to tell you about it. Can't tell you

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Speaker 3: about the skinny models just yet. But I can tell

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Speaker 3: you because I have to very quickly tell you something

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Speaker 3: about Rod Stewart. I think does anybody else find Rod

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Speaker 3: Stewart being obsessed with his trains as funny as I do?

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Speaker 3: Rod Stewart, I don't know if you're aware of this,

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Speaker 3: but he makes model trains. There's nothing wrong with making

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Speaker 3: model trains. But somehow.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It feels like the kind of thing that a granddad does.

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Speaker 3: When you know it's much quieter life. You would imagine

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Speaker 3: they're sitting by themselves in a quiet way to spend

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Speaker 3: your day. But Rod Stewart is obsessed with his model

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Speaker 3: trains to the extent, according to Penny, his wife, who's

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Speaker 3: just hold a podcast, to the extent that when he

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Speaker 3: goes on tour, he books second hotel room so he can, yes,

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Speaker 3: you should see Laura's face right now. It's weird, so

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Speaker 3: he can take his model trains with him and build

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Speaker 3: them in the second room. Now, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 3: really understand the logistics of this, because surely if you're

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Speaker 3: just going for one night somewhere, you're not like building

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Speaker 3: the thing overnight and then knocking it down the next day.

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Speaker 3: But maybe he's that into it, she says. Anyway, she says,

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Speaker 3: if he doesn't build his model trains, he starts pacing

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Speaker 3: and he gets really irritating. It's weird. Ah, it's not

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Speaker 3: what you think of old hot legs. Anyway, took he

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Speaker 3: next on how to rebuild Gaza.

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Speaker 1: Keeping track of where the money is flowing. The business

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Speaker 1: hour with Hinder Duplessil and mass for insurance investments can

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Speaker 1: chewey Saber, You're in good hands, news talk.

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Speaker 7: Said be.

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Speaker 3: Evening. Japan's first female prime minister might not happen after all.

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Speaker 3: Peter Lewis will explain it about half an hour's time,

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Speaker 3: Barry Soper will wrap the week that was, and Gavin

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Speaker 3: Gray will talk us through where the Charles will actually

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Speaker 3: strip Prince Andrew as titles right now at seven past six.

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Speaker 3: Now sit aside the huge question of who's going to

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Speaker 3: take over the running of Gaza. The other question is

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Speaker 3: how long it's going to take and how much it's

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Speaker 3: going to take to actually rebuild Gaza. The un rickins

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Speaker 3: eighty three percent of all structures and housing units and

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Speaker 3: Gaza City have been destroyed, and pictures show what can

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Speaker 3: only be described as a disaster design. Professor of construction management,

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Speaker 3: John Tucky from aut is with us.

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Speaker 7: Hello, John, Good evening.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, where do you even start with something like this?

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Speaker 7: Oh, it's somewhere else I think is a short version.

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Speaker 20: But if you when it comes down to it, I

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Speaker 20: mean after immediate fix associated with medicine, water, bottle water

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Speaker 20: and that sort of stuff, and re establishing basic services

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Speaker 20: to save lives. Then it's the buried assets, things like water, power, sewerage,

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Speaker 20: et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, all need to be regenerated,

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Speaker 20: which is an intensely difficult job. And then you have

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Speaker 20: to work on all the other civic infrastructure that needs

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Speaker 20: to make it happen. Oh and by the way, you

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01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 20: need to make sure that the population have a job

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Speaker 20: to go to to keep the economy actually operational. So

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Speaker 20: it's just a massively complex, in depth job to deal with.

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Speaker 3: I mean, before you do any of the stuff, imagine

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Speaker 3: you have to get rid of the bombs, right.

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Speaker 20: Oh yeah, did I not mention the bomb? I mean

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Speaker 20: the amount of the amount of detritus associated with the

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Speaker 20: conflict itself. You know, let's not go into whether or

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Speaker 20: not you've got, you know, sort of the sorts of

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Speaker 20: devices which are buried and forgotten about and so on.

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Speaker 20: You know, to give you an idea, there are still

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Speaker 20: devices of twenty pounds of ammanol in the First World

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Speaker 20: War that were used and not exploded at the time

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Speaker 20: at a place called Massin's Ridge. You know, these things

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Speaker 20: are insanely dangerous and they have to be all cleared

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Speaker 20: as part of the ongoing process of reconstruction.

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Speaker 3: Do you what do you do with all of the

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Speaker 3: demolition rubble.

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Speaker 20: Well, what they did with Lebanon after this civil war

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Speaker 20: in Lebanon was to shift a lot of it into

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Speaker 20: the ocean and actually reclaim land. And you know, one

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Speaker 20: of the key problems associated with Gaza is simply the

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Speaker 20: fact doesn't have a deep water port to be able

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Speaker 20: to supply things. So you've got a situation where the

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Speaker 20: logistical support necessary to allow all of this infrastructural work

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Speaker 20: to take place is not in there. So you know,

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Speaker 20: maybe you've got a sort of a perverse opportunity here

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Speaker 20: to be able to use the demolition waste to actually

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Speaker 20: create the opportunity to have a harbor. But that having

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Speaker 20: been said, you know you're still dealing with insane amounts

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Speaker 20: of pollution and contamination associated with that.

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Speaker 7: Oh and by the.

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Speaker 20: Way, there's an awful lot of bodies, all of which

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Speaker 20: are going to be mangled into the morass, which also

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Speaker 20: need to be repatriated to the families involved. So you've

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Speaker 20: got an, as I say, an insanely complex task that's

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Speaker 20: going to require decades.

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Speaker 3: You reckon while they're down there, laying the sewerage pipes

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Speaker 3: and stuff. Again, that they can shut up the tunnels

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Speaker 3: that Hamas dug.

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Speaker 20: Well, you know, to be honest, that that becomes a

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Speaker 20: political issue, which is which is beyond the remit that

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Speaker 20: I have.

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Speaker 3: But can they like could they practically would they? Would

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Speaker 3: they be able to Yeah, there's a tunnel, will shut

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Speaker 3: that one down?

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Speaker 20: Well, I mean, is it possible to do that sort

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Speaker 20: of stuff? The answer is yeah, absolutely. That having been said,

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Speaker 20: I mean the issue when you're digging, digging pipe holes

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Speaker 20: for pipes and sewerage and all that sort of stuff,

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Speaker 20: you know you're dealing with an absolute humanitarian need rather

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Speaker 20: than the you know, the political oblique combat components associated

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Speaker 20: with with these sorts of elements. But the but, as

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Speaker 20: I say, you know that in terms of the amount

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Speaker 20: of money that's going to be we are talking multi decades.

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Speaker 7: We are talking billions and billions of dollars.

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Speaker 20: Worth of investment that's going to take place to actually

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Speaker 20: create a habitable domain for two point three million people

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Speaker 20: who are sitting there, largely currently decanted into tents. And

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01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 20: you know that's not a happy space because history shows

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01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:18,760
Speaker 20: that people who are living in these sorts of refugee

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Speaker 20: camps and all the rest of it form the hardcore

1522
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 20: of the radicals that are going to come back in

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01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:27,400
Speaker 20: a few years time and reconstitute the entirety of the piece.

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Speaker 3: So obviously decades to get the thing to be completed,

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Speaker 3: But what about just to a point where it's a

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Speaker 3: functioning liverable city. Again, how long does that.

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Speaker 7: Have or that definition of liverable is a tough one.

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Speaker 7: What it would suggest is you can.

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Speaker 20: Actually make a relatively quick fix because Hon and some

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Speaker 20: of the other the governmentals or quasi governmental organizations that

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Speaker 20: have been in operation have kept kind of the lights

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Speaker 20: on to a certain degree. You can do a three

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01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 20: to six month fix which is going to make things livable.

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Speaker 20: But it's you know, it's it's not a happy space.

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Speaker 20: You're talking about barely livable, you know. You know, all

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Speaker 20: you have to do is think in terms of two

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01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 20: point three million people who all have to use the

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01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:15,439
Speaker 20: bathroom on a day to day basis, two point three

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01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 20: million people who all require two or three liters of

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01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 20: water per person per day as a basic requirement before

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Speaker 20: we start talking about cooking. Two point three million people,

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01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 20: all of which need to have, you know, fires to

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Speaker 20: heat themselves during the oncoming winter and as well as

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01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 20: all the things like, as I say, fires to cook

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01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 20: on and all the rest of it. You have a

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Speaker 20: humanitarian disaster of absolutely epic proportioned and you know there

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Speaker 20: is a requirement unfortunately or fortunately unfortunately probably the wrong term.

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01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:54,120
Speaker 20: There is a requirement to be able to provide the

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01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 20: necessary access to the logistical support that you know, the

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 20: international community is desperate to provide and it needs to

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01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,320
Speaker 20: you know, it needs to happen immediately. And unfortunately, I

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01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 20: don't think there's anybody is particularly optimistic about the future

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01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:11,040
Speaker 20: of this cease fire.

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Speaker 3: John, thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: John Tocki, the professor of construction Management at aut University.

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Speaker 2: Hither du Clan Okay Berry's.

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Speaker 3: Going to be that raped the political week that would

1558
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,080
Speaker 3: shortly just want to give you their heads up on

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01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 3: what's going on with the tickets. Right, So what you

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01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 3: want to do if you're driving down the road and

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01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 3: you want to avoid the ticketing, you know what to

1562
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 3: look for. What you now need to add to the

1563
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 3: things that you're looking for is a white SUV parked

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01:13:34,400 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 3: on the side of the road. Because this is what

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01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 3: the NZTA is now using They've got thirty four of them.

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01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:40,720
Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about. You know when you

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01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 3: when you're driving down the road and you see the

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01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 3: police van with the blacked out windows, the that you go, oh, yeah,

1569
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 3: that's that's taking that. That's that's a speed camera in there.

1570
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 3: That's basically got and all the police can with a

1571
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:54,679
Speaker 3: little radar gun the same same thing. It's a white

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01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,560
Speaker 3: suv now looks like it's got a roof rack on

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01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 3: the top or something. But anyway, they've been using them

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01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,080
Speaker 3: since May, and they're really really effective because you think

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01:14:03,080 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 3: it's just a normal civilian car, but it's not as

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01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 3: pinging you for the speed. They have already just in

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01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: the space since May I think, since I think, running

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01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:13,520
Speaker 3: four full months, have detected nearly seventy thousand defensive offenses

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Speaker 3: and have generated nearly a million dollars in fines. Quarter past.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by Newstalk ZEBBI.

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Speaker 3: Listen, if you were into the mining that's happening in

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01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 3: the country at the moment, all may happen. I've got

1584
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 3: some pretty good news for you. I'm going to run

1585
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 3: you through that before this half hours through hopefully seventeen

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Speaker 3: past six. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, raps a political

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01:14:37,080 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 3: week that was for us, of course, Welcome back.

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Speaker 11: Barry, Hello again, Heather.

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Speaker 3: Do we know yet when Jimbolge's funeral is No.

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01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,880
Speaker 11: I've been trying to find out, but no one seems

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01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,160
Speaker 11: to really know. And I guess there's a number of

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01:14:48,200 --> 01:14:50,839
Speaker 11: things that they have to decide. I mean, Chris Luxon

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01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:54,719
Speaker 11: may want a bit of pomp and ceremony in relation

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01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 11: to the former prime minister who was a prime minister

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01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 11: for a long time, so there will be that, so

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01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 11: that the other considerations. I would imagine the family is

1597
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:07,280
Speaker 11: such a big family that they'll want something relatively private.

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01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 11: But look, Jim Boulger, with that you liked or disliked him,

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01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,679
Speaker 11: he did like a bit of pomp and ceremony, and

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Speaker 11: I think you know, if the country honored him in

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01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 11: some way, he wouldn't be averse to it. But you know,

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01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:26,120
Speaker 11: it was a sad passing this week that I think

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01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,439
Speaker 11: we all knew how early he was, well some of

1604
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:30,760
Speaker 11: us knew how early he was, and he had been

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01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,600
Speaker 11: for some time, so and it was amazing. Wasn't it

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01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,960
Speaker 11: that his whole family were there to see his passing

1607
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 11: and be with him, which would have been wonderful for

1608
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,680
Speaker 11: Joan Bulger? And isn't it incredible you see all the

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01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 11: outpouring for Joan Boulger because she and I don't say

1610
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 11: it unkindly long suffering, because these two were actually the

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01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:57,880
Speaker 11: couple that in politics that you can look at with

1612
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 11: great admiration that Joe I remember from time and time

1613
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 11: again on election campaign trials, will be in the front

1614
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 11: row watching Jim deliver the same speech night after night,

1615
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 11: and she would always be laughing in the right places.

1616
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 11: So she was as cheerleader if you like, as well.

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01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,600
Speaker 11: But over the past twenty four hours have been fascinated

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01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 11: by some of those who have been speaking out reverentially

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01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:26,439
Speaker 11: about Jim Bolger. One was Jenny Shipley, you know, saying

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01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:28,759
Speaker 11: what a wonderful man he was. Well, if you're so wonderful,

1621
01:16:28,760 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 11: why did you knife them in the back?

1622
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:32,080
Speaker 3: I mean, do you think they got on?

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01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 11: No, initially they did. I think they you know, she

1624
01:16:36,439 --> 01:16:40,280
Speaker 11: was very senior. Was more recently No, I don't think.

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01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 11: I don't think there was. I mean they had been

1626
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 11: seen publicly in various places. But bolge was a bit

1627
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 11: of a diplomat, get very angry. It's like public public

1628
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 11: you have to hear them, but privately I don't think

1629
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 11: it was. And similarly, Ruth Richardson, I heard her on

1630
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,960
Speaker 11: with you yesterday sort of the picture that look was

1631
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,679
Speaker 11: really her deciding when it was time to go because

1632
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 11: the business that she had set out to achieve had

1633
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,639
Speaker 11: been achieved. Well, no, it didn't happen that way. There

1634
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:14,679
Speaker 11: was no way that she didn't like the rug being

1635
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,519
Speaker 11: pulled from beneath her in the finance role. She had

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01:17:17,560 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 11: become something of an embarrassment to the government and that's

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01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:23,280
Speaker 11: why there was a change there. So Bolgier was hard

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01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 11: on some sides. But one thing I think he'll be

1639
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 11: remember for those of us who knew him quite well

1640
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 11: and I traveled with him throughout his Prime ministership and

1641
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 11: had many a drink in his office on the ninth

1642
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:41,040
Speaker 11: floor with him and enjoyed his company, is that he

1643
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 11: was a very personable man. And I think evidence of

1644
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 11: that is the fact that he left school, you know,

1645
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 11: in his mid teens, never had any formal education, and

1646
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:58,120
Speaker 11: went on to run the country relatively successfully. There were

1647
01:17:58,160 --> 01:18:01,840
Speaker 11: a few flaws, but he was a good bloke and

1648
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 11: I think that's what he will be remembered by those

1649
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:04,800
Speaker 11: of us in.

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Speaker 3: You do you think Jerry brown is going to be

1651
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 3: able to restore order. I mean it feels I think

1652
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 3: it's worth a goal, but it feels like it might

1653
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 3: be too late.

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01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 11: No, it's the Business Committee that has to sit in.

1655
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 11: All parties are represented on that and the government will

1656
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 11: have a majority in Jerry Brownie will have a big

1657
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 11: say on that. But I think there is a general

1658
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 11: consensus around politicians, and particularly those in the National Party

1659
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 11: Act and New Zealand. First, it's all the others, not

1660
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 11: so much Labor, but the rebel in the Maldi Party

1661
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:44,759
Speaker 11: and the Greens. They are none too keen on cleaning

1662
01:18:44,840 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 11: up the Act. And I heard the ridiculous argument of

1663
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:53,120
Speaker 11: Ricardo Mendez March saying that you know, a tie is

1664
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,639
Speaker 11: not going to change the behavior. He misses the whole point.

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01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:56,599
Speaker 3: It's not a.

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01:18:56,640 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 11: Tie changing behavior. It's respect for the organization. And you know,

1667
01:19:01,160 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 11: I'm one who does respect the organization of Parliament. And

1668
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 11: I think if you let standards slip like that, as

1669
01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 11: Trevor Mallard did when he was a speaker, then there

1670
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:13,439
Speaker 11: is it's very hard to come back. So it's only

1671
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:15,800
Speaker 11: been a few years. I don't think it's too late

1672
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 11: to retrieve the situation.

1673
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:18,639
Speaker 3: Listen, I haven't got long, but I want to test

1674
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 3: you on this, Okay. So there's still pressure on Luxe's leadership.

1675
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,880
Speaker 3: It's mounting. We've now got an air apparent, which is

1676
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 3: Christmas ship. Do you think that Luxeon has gone in

1677
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven, a year after the election, or is

1678
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:31,240
Speaker 3: he gone before Christmas?

1679
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 13: This?

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01:19:31,640 --> 01:19:35,800
Speaker 11: Yeah, he's not gone before Christmas twenty seven. Well, whether

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01:19:35,840 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 11: he's gone in twenty twenty seven is another matter as well.

1682
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,760
Speaker 11: I think it's a mood thing, Heather. And when the

1683
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:49,559
Speaker 11: National Party starts looking better next year, and I'm almost

1684
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 11: certain it will. And if you look at all the economists,

1685
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 11: they are all saying there's going to be growth next year,

1686
01:19:54,439 --> 01:20:00,200
Speaker 11: and quite good growth, that always increases the enthusiasm some

1687
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,040
Speaker 11: of the public. And I would think that you'll find

1688
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:04,720
Speaker 11: and I know I'm on record of saying that to you,

1689
01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 11: and you're going to pay me a bet that Chris

1690
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 11: Luxon will be here while I'm truly.

1691
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 3: Okay, So we'll say about that bet, Barry, thank you

1692
01:20:11,360 --> 01:20:14,040
Speaker 3: very much. Barry Soper, Senior political correspondent, rapping the Political Week.

1693
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:15,640
Speaker 3: It was at six twenty three.

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01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,679
Speaker 1: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1695
01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Dup c Ellen and Maz

1696
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: for insurance Investments and Hueye Safer and you're in good

1697
01:20:26,360 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 1: hands news talk.

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Speaker 3: Sa'd be Heather. It really pisses me off. You're talking

1699
01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 3: about lux and being rolled. He's just leave it alone.

1700
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 3: He's walked into a disaster. Well I get fine, all right, Okay,

1701
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,040
Speaker 3: free speech, free speech, clamping down on people, just have

1702
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,160
Speaker 3: that doesn't matter. That's a terrible sentence. Just go have

1703
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 3: a look, have a look at the reportage in the post.

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01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying to you. I'm simply just repeating

1705
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,680
Speaker 3: what I'm hearing. Okay, it's not me, it's them. Six

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Speaker 3: twenty six. Now there is an ossie minor called Uvra

1707
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,560
Speaker 3: who is just listed on the z X. It's a

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01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,679
Speaker 3: secondary secondary listening told shareholders this is the thing. Get

1709
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 3: a load of this. New Zealand is the most attractive

1710
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 3: country for mining investment in the world. So this is

1711
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 3: a presentation to the shareholders. It included a chart which

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01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 3: used data from an investment ranker called Fraser Institute. Now

1713
01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:16,720
Speaker 3: Fraser Institute is a group of people who survey the

1714
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,600
Speaker 3: mining companies across Australasia and they want to assess the

1715
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 3: attractiveness of various places to invest and they base it

1716
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 3: on mineral potential but also government policies. We New Zealand

1717
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:29,879
Speaker 3: edge out Western Australia. We are ahead of South Australia

1718
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 3: and Queensland by a lot. They are calling New Zealand

1719
01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:36,160
Speaker 3: the Land of the long Gold Opportunity. The company's shares

1720
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 3: opened at twenty eight cents yesterday and by the time

1721
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 3: by the time it closed for the day, it was

1722
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 3: the top gainer, up sixteen point zero seven percent.

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Speaker 2: There's no business like show business.

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Speaker 3: Yes, this is the Matrix music. One of Hollywood's biggest superstars,

1725
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 3: Keanu Reeves, has revealed he had to change his name

1726
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 3: when he first came to Hollywood. Kiano was on a

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01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 3: podcast with Taylor Swift's boyfriend Tree was Kelsey when he

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01:22:00,840 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 3: talked about his welcome to Hollywood moment twenty years old.

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01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 21: I drove in my car to Los Angeles, got out

1730
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,720
Speaker 21: of my car and my manager said, we want to

1731
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 21: change your name and so that's like, oh, welcome to Hollywood.

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Speaker 7: My middle name is Charles.

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01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 21: So I was like Chuck, and I grew up on

1734
01:22:20,439 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 21: a street called Spadina, Chuck Spadina, and then I was

1735
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Speaker 21: like something Templeton.

1736
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Speaker 2: But then I was just like So then I.

1737
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:34,720
Speaker 22: Became Casey Reeds Casey Reed credited as Casey Reeds.

1738
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 3: Now Ksey Reeves obviously didn't.

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01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 22: Stick, and then and then I couldn't do it. So

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01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,240
Speaker 22: then I would be auditions and they'd go Casey Reeves

1741
01:22:42,240 --> 01:22:44,000
Speaker 22: and I'd be like, I wouldn't even answer.

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Speaker 16: Six months later I was like, I'm not doing this.

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01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:50,000
Speaker 3: Good on him, Keano, great name. Anyway, This is not

1744
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 3: super uncommon. For example, Natalie Portman was born Natalie Hirschlark

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01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 3: Joaquin Phoenix, what was he born white? I'm an tell

1746
01:23:00,280 --> 01:23:01,680
Speaker 3: you after the news stand.

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Speaker 22: By.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's hither Duplessy

1749
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 1: Allen with the Business Hour and MAS for insurance investments

1750
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: and Kiwi Saber, you're in good hands.

1751
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:25,840
Speaker 2: News talks ad be weird.

1752
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 3: Kevin Gray is going to be with us on this

1753
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 3: business with Andrew as I Prince Andrew as it should

1754
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 3: he be stripped of all of his titles in a

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01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 3: minute ten minutes away. Yeah, Dion's onto it. Joaquin Phoenix

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01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:43,200
Speaker 3: was born woa Quin Raphael Bottom. Now, if you think

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01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: about it, what was his brother's name, River Phoenix, which

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01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:51,720
Speaker 3: means River's real name is River Bottom. That's actually quite

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01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:55,200
Speaker 3: good from his parents, though, isn't it? Thank god they

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01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:57,080
Speaker 3: changed the name. Anyway, Listen, I've got I've got four

1761
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 3: more to tell you that. I just yeah, it blows

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01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 3: your mind how unsixy these people are if you hear

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01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 3: their actual names. So stand by for that. River Bottom.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three away from seven. Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondenters

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01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:10,680
Speaker 3: with us Allo Peter. Good evening, Heather, have you got

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01:24:10,680 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 3: a real name to reveal?

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01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 14: I can't possibly tell you. It doesn't involve bottoms.

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01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,360
Speaker 3: Though, thank god. Now, what has China had to say

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01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 3: about Donald Trump's weird tearaff tweets?

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Speaker 14: Well, it's really kicked off this week. They're firing daily

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01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:30,160
Speaker 14: threats at each other and really increasing the rhetoric. I mean,

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01:24:30,240 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 14: it depends upon who you ask as to who's at

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01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,400
Speaker 14: fault here, because both sides say the other side is

1774
01:24:35,439 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 14: to blame. Both sides say it's up to the other

1775
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:42,559
Speaker 14: side to take the next steps to defuse this and

1776
01:24:42,600 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 14: to in effects back down. What China has done here

1777
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,760
Speaker 14: is it's really got under Donald Trump's skin over these

1778
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:54,760
Speaker 14: bands on rare earths. These are important elements that are

1779
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:59,400
Speaker 14: used on vital in fact, for things like computer chips, smartphones,

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01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 14: fighter and so on. And they've increased their restrictions export

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01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,679
Speaker 14: restrictions on them, which is going to mean that even

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01:25:07,720 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 14: if a product has just a tiny amount of one

1783
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:13,040
Speaker 14: of these rare earths, it's going to need a license

1784
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Speaker 14: from China, and that includes foreign companies as well. So

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01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:22,720
Speaker 14: this is sort of extra territorial jurisdiction here. And the

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Speaker 14: guy who's really been increasing the threats is Scott Besson,

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Speaker 14: the US Treasury Secretary. He's basically saying that China's decoupling

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01:25:32,040 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 14: from the rest of the world, and the rest of

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01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 14: the world is going to come to the US's support.

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01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:42,120
Speaker 14: He says, We're going to use allies in Asia to

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Speaker 14: try and resist what he basically says is blackmail. But

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01:25:47,080 --> 01:25:49,080
Speaker 14: of course these are the very same allies that Donald

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01:25:49,080 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 14: Trump has gone and blackmailed over the last few months

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01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 14: and slapped huge tariffs on. So I'm not too sure

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01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:56,759
Speaker 14: how some of these are going to feel about now

1796
01:25:57,240 --> 01:26:01,240
Speaker 14: being asked to come to Donald Trump's rescue you on this.

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01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 14: Besson's also described one of China's top negotiators as an

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01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 14: unhinged wolf warrior. This is how bad the rhetorica's got

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01:26:11,479 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 14: between the two sides. I think Beijing is rather amused

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01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 14: by all of this. They realize that they've got a

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01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 14: really strong card here to play. They realize that they've

1802
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 14: really irked sort of Washington and Donald Trump over this,

1803
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:29,439
Speaker 14: and I don't think they intend to back down. I

1804
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:32,479
Speaker 14: think they intend to carry on doing what they're doing.

1805
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,200
Speaker 14: So it doesn't mean that things are looking very good

1806
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 14: for a summits between Donald Trump and President She at

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01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:39,320
Speaker 14: the end of the month.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps not. Now, what is going on with Japan's first

1809
01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:44,360
Speaker 3: female PM? Why might she not happen?

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Speaker 14: Well, I think the problem is she doesn't have a majority.

1811
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 14: But the reason why we have even considering a new

1812
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:57,200
Speaker 14: PM is because the Liberal Democratic Party lost its majority

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01:26:57,240 --> 01:27:00,320
Speaker 14: in both the upper House and the lower House. So

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01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:03,120
Speaker 14: in order to get elected as Prime Minister at the

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01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:06,120
Speaker 14: end of the month, she needs the support of the

1816
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Speaker 14: opposition parties. Now, the traditional party that has always helped

1817
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,839
Speaker 14: the OLDPS Comito. They've been the partner for the OLDP

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Speaker 14: for really the past twenty five years, but that coalition

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01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 14: fell apart a few days ago. Comito has said they're

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01:27:21,080 --> 01:27:27,120
Speaker 14: not going to support the OLDP anymore or Takeiichi either,

1821
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:31,559
Speaker 14: so she needs to find some other parties to help her.

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01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:35,560
Speaker 14: She's looking at a smaller populist party based in Osaka

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01:27:35,720 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 14: known as Issue to help her. In the meantime, the

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01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,519
Speaker 14: other opposition parties are trying to see if they can

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01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:48,960
Speaker 14: come together around an alternative candidate that could in effect

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01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:54,480
Speaker 14: sort of stand up and dethrone, if you like, Takeichi,

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01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:57,360
Speaker 14: and if they can come up with a candidate, then

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01:27:57,400 --> 01:28:01,440
Speaker 14: they will actually win. The problem is these opposition parties

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01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:05,400
Speaker 14: are very divided. They don't traditionally work very well together.

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01:28:05,479 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 14: They have widely divergent policies and they've never in the

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01:28:09,120 --> 01:28:12,040
Speaker 14: past been able to do this. And what normally happens

1832
01:28:12,080 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 14: is one that peels off and goes and votes with

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01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,599
Speaker 14: the LDP or abstains, and as a result, the LDP

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01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 14: gets its candidate through. But if they can find an

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01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 14: alternative candidate who can unite them, then they will take

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01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 14: They will take the premiership and they will be able

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01:28:29,320 --> 01:28:32,240
Speaker 14: to nominate whoever it is as the candidate to be

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Speaker 14: the next Prime minister.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, we'll see how it plays out. Peter, as always,

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01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:37,080
Speaker 3: it's lovely to talk to you. Thank you so much.

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01:28:37,120 --> 01:28:41,720
Speaker 3: Peter Lewis Asia Business correspondent. Hither do for l then

1842
01:28:41,800 --> 01:28:45,599
Speaker 3: Diesel as in like six even diesel muscle than diesel.

1843
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 3: His real name is Mark Mark Vincent. The diesel thing

1844
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 3: is just completely made up by the sounds of things.

1845
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:58,559
Speaker 3: Tom Cruise, his real name is Thomas Cruz Mepatha the Fourth.

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01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 3: I always wonder do you know what I always wonder

1847
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:03,200
Speaker 3: about stuff like this? Do you think that his Suri

1848
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:05,840
Speaker 3: called Suri Mapitha, is that her real name? It's like

1849
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 3: she just carries on the sort of pretense and goes, yeah,

1850
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 3: I'm Suri Cruz, when really her passport says Suri Mapitha.

1851
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 3: What a name. Judy Garland was born Francis ethel Gumm.

1852
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,759
Speaker 3: You could see why she changed her name. And Helen

1853
01:29:19,800 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 3: Mirren I don't even know if I can pronounce this

1854
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:27,759
Speaker 3: Elena Lydia Mironoff, which is not anything like Helen Mirren?

1855
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:32,719
Speaker 3: Is it now actually Martin? You know, because it's probably

1856
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:34,479
Speaker 3: actually that they are running a couple of names at

1857
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 3: the same time, because if you think about Martin Sheen,

1858
01:29:36,760 --> 01:29:39,280
Speaker 3: his name is really Martin Estevez, isn't it. And then

1859
01:29:39,320 --> 01:29:40,760
Speaker 3: one of the kids came out there est what was

1860
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:44,559
Speaker 3: his name? What was the Esterez boy's name, Emilio. One

1861
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,720
Speaker 3: of the brothers was called Emilio Estevez and the other

1862
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 3: one was called Charlie Sheen. So one of them took

1863
01:29:48,880 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 3: the actual real life name and went with that, and

1864
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:52,800
Speaker 3: then the other one took the fake screen name and

1865
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 3: went with that. So yeah, there you go. Anyway, the

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01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 3: plus sized models thing didn't last at all, not very

1867
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,000
Speaker 3: long at all. The fashion and it now turns out,

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01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 3: according to the latest spring Summer twenty twenty six fashion weeks,

1869
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:07,599
Speaker 3: has gone back to using really skinny models. So Vogue

1870
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:09,640
Speaker 3: Business has uncovered this. They crunched the numbers. They went

1871
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 3: to the catwalk shows in New York and London, Milan

1872
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 3: and Paris, and they had to look at, you know,

1873
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:16,120
Speaker 3: what size the women were, and then they collected all

1874
01:30:16,160 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 3: the data. Ninety seven percent of the models were size

1875
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:22,880
Speaker 3: four to eight as in our size four to eight,

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01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:24,719
Speaker 3: as in like you and I are wearing a ten,

1877
01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 3: they're wearing a four. That's how skinny they are. Ninety

1878
01:30:28,240 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 3: seven percent of them four to eight two percent were

1879
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:33,959
Speaker 3: normal sized people between the size of ten and sixteen.

1880
01:30:34,360 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 3: Only zero point nine percent were plus size models. So

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01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 3: people who are women who are eighteen size eighteen plus

1882
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 3: this I'm telling you this because this will come as

1883
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 3: absolutely no surprise to you, and it is yet again

1884
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:49,360
Speaker 3: an example, I would say, of people trying to do

1885
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 3: the thing, to do the right thing. But the fact

1886
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:53,840
Speaker 3: of the matter is, let's be honest about it. If

1887
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,640
Speaker 3: you're skinny, the clothes look better on you, right, So

1888
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 3: if you look like you've been doing heroin all day,

1889
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 3: the clothes look awesome on you. It's not grey, it's

1890
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 3: not healthy, but the clothes are awesome on you. And

1891
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 3: they were always going to go back to it, weren't they.

1892
01:31:04,840 --> 01:31:06,639
Speaker 3: I Mean, we tried the plus sized thing for how long,

1893
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 3: like fifteen years dead after fifteen years, sixteen away.

1894
01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 2: Think whether it's the macro microbe or just playing economics.

1895
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:17,519
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen

1896
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:21,400
Speaker 1: can to Mars for insurance Investments and Kiwye Safer.

1897
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:22,599
Speaker 2: You're in good hands.

1898
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:29,840
Speaker 3: Use talks behither you're not a ten, mauz oh, mace,

1899
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,799
Speaker 3: this is not no, This is not no. Are you married?

1900
01:31:33,920 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 3: You don't have this conversation, because this could be read

1901
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 3: either way. It could be either you're not a teen,

1902
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 3: either you're you're definitely are six Are you you're skinny

1903
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 3: as like you've been doing heroin all day long? That's

1904
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 3: the possible way you could have meant. But obviously every

1905
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,120
Speaker 3: woman's going to read that and go when you say that,

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01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 3: what are you suggesting I'm a sixteen? Muzz You're in

1907
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 3: big trouble mate thirteen away from seven. Gavin Gray, UK

1908
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 3: correspondence with US Hello, Gavin, either have explain to me

1909
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,080
Speaker 3: why these football fans have been banned.

1910
01:32:00,520 --> 01:32:03,960
Speaker 23: This is because the authorities here are saying they cannot

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01:32:04,000 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 23: guarantee that they are going to be safe. These are

1912
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 23: Israeli fans. Maccabi Tel Aviv is their football team. They're

1913
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 23: due to attend a football match in the Midlands here

1914
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,639
Speaker 23: in the UK at Aston Villa. The match is due

1915
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:20,759
Speaker 23: to take place in a couple of weeks time, and

1916
01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:24,360
Speaker 23: the reason that there is such anger about this is

1917
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 23: that that area of the Midlands around aston Villa Birmingham

1918
01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:34,120
Speaker 23: has a very very high Muslim population, and that's why

1919
01:32:34,360 --> 01:32:38,200
Speaker 23: the Conservative leader is saying this is a national disgrace

1920
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:41,479
Speaker 23: to say to the Israeli fans that you can't come

1921
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 23: because we can't keep you safe, suggesting therefore, and I quote,

1922
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 23: that this is parts of Britain that Jews simply cannot go,

1923
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,400
Speaker 23: and kemy bed Not, the leader of the Opposition, is

1924
01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 23: demanding the Prime Minister step in to reverse the decision.

1925
01:32:55,880 --> 01:32:58,640
Speaker 23: The Prime Minister himself has criticized the move, saying we

1926
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,439
Speaker 23: will not tolerate add decemim in our streets. But that

1927
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 23: is a phrase he's been trotting out over all the

1928
01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 23: last few weeks and the violence against Jews and the

1929
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:11,360
Speaker 23: attack outside the synagogue you'll remember a couple of weeks back.

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Speaker 23: So there has been current intelligence on previous incidents where

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01:33:15,320 --> 01:33:19,120
Speaker 23: Tel Aviv Maccabi Tel Aviv fans have traveled. In one

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01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:22,320
Speaker 23: particular instance to Amsterdam, there was a lot of violence there,

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01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:26,280
Speaker 23: sixty people arrested. But this safety advisory group they issue

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01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:30,439
Speaker 23: safety certificates for matches, and they said, no, you know,

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01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:33,680
Speaker 23: we can't keep people safe. So we're saying that no

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Speaker 23: traveling fans should be permitted to this match. The group

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Speaker 23: is chaired by the Council Leader, Head of Resilience. The

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Speaker 23: Safety Advisory Group made up of officials, local authority emergency

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Speaker 23: responders including the police and the event organizers. But the

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Speaker 23: idea that there is a football match here that Israeli

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Speaker 23: people Jewish people cannot attend because of the fear they

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Speaker 23: won't be safe, I think shows the current state of play.

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Speaker 23: The Reform uklee Nigel Pharaoh says the move takes racial

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Speaker 23: discrimination to a whole new level.

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Speaker 3: It is so unbelievably, said Gevin. Is it possible for

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Speaker 3: Charles if he wanted to to strip Andrew's titles.

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Speaker 23: Yes, it is, and many people think he is showing

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Speaker 23: himself to be a weak monarch by not doing so.

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Speaker 23: But let's not forget that behind all of this it

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Speaker 23: is his brother and this is a family Still. However,

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Speaker 23: many people see these ongoing revelations and claims and allegations

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Speaker 23: about Prince Andrew to just be the gift that keeps

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Speaker 23: giving if you're a journalist or you like reading about

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Speaker 23: these things. Prince Andrew, of course well known for his

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Speaker 23: links to the late disgraced sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, of course,

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Speaker 23: also meeting a Chinese representative three times. It was said

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Speaker 23: in quick succession in the UK and Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Believed to be a quote useful.

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Speaker 23: Idiot for the Chinese to get to know in order

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Speaker 23: to invagal themselves in high areas of power, in order

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Speaker 23: eventually to spy for the Chinese. In the UK, it's

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Speaker 23: said this comes at a very sensitive time, at the

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Speaker 23: collapse of a case against two people who allegedly spied

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Speaker 23: for China, quite simply because senior officials weren't willing to

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Speaker 23: say that China can be an enemy state, whereas we

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Speaker 23: heard yesterday from the head of OMI five the Security

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Speaker 23: Service saying well, China most definitely is, and even last

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Speaker 23: week we had to step up in order to close

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Speaker 23: down what was a potential attack from Chinese nationals. So

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Speaker 23: it is a mess, and it's one that Prince Andrew's

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Speaker 23: being caught up in, and as I said, is the

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Speaker 23: gift that keeps going on and on and is a

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Speaker 23: further embarrassment to the King and frankly to the rest

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Speaker 23: of the royal family. We already know that Prince William

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Speaker 23: frankly wants very little to do with his uncle.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can quite understand why. Hey, thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: Gevin appreciated Thiskevin Gray a UK corresponding, And it's not

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Speaker 3: too long before we're going to find out what's happening

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Speaker 3: with Liam Lawson. A Red Bull's apparently going to let

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Speaker 3: him know what his future with F one is by

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Speaker 3: the end of the month, which is what a couple

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Speaker 3: of weeks left. Eight away from seven.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Toople see Alan Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZB Here the Jack Tame.

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Speaker 3: This is read who takes over from Simon dallow when

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Speaker 3: he quits next year. Jack Tame's got no chance against

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Speaker 3: Tony Marsh. Do you remember Tony Marsh? What a blast

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Speaker 3: from the past?

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Speaker 4: In fact you could.

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Speaker 3: I mean, like when you think about it, Tony Marsh,

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Speaker 3: and then you think about all the other people who've

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Speaker 3: been on our screens in the last twenty years who

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Speaker 3: are not on our screens anymore. It's a veritable depth

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Speaker 3: of talent for TV and there to go and plum

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Speaker 3: if they want to listen. Just an update on the

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Speaker 3: AI and the Spotify and stuff, because of course this

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Speaker 3: is causing all kinds of drama. There is a little

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Speaker 3: bit of movement here. It looks like Spotify has announced

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Speaker 3: a deal with major music labels on using artificial intelligence

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Speaker 3: AI in a responsible way. So what they've announced is

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Speaker 3: they go in to license music from the three biggest

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Speaker 3: music labels, being Sony, Universal, and Warner, and then they

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Speaker 3: go into they say it's going to put artists and

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Speaker 3: songwriters first, and they're going to develop these AI tools

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Speaker 3: and they're going to respect the copyright and stuff. But

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Speaker 3: it's really unclear what the AI tools are going to

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Speaker 3: look like and what they're going to do, what's going

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Speaker 3: to happen here, So I think it's probably I don't know.

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Speaker 3: The feeling I give to the lack of detail just

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Speaker 3: suggests to me that what this is, what's going on

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Speaker 3: here is just a bit of damage control. There's not

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Speaker 3: actually anything here other than just trying to stop the

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Speaker 3: musicians freaking out. It's not going to stop the musicians

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Speaker 3: freaking out, by the way, because even if their music

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Speaker 3: and their copyright is respected and stuff, every AI song

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Speaker 3: that gets uploaded to Spotify is an AI song that

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Speaker 3: is now earning money for Spotify, or whether that is

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Speaker 3: not earning money, that displaces the song that could have

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Speaker 3: otherwise been earning money for real life musicians. You see

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying. Anyway, we'll see how it goes. I

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Speaker 3: don't think the sing is run, that's course, yet adds.

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Speaker 24: New York Groove as performed by Ace Freely to play

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Speaker 24: us out tonight.

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Speaker 9: Unfortunately it is a sad one today.

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Speaker 24: Ace Freely, who was probably best as the one of

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Speaker 24: the founding members of Kiss and the Spaceman, has died

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Speaker 24: at the age of seventy four. He had a fall

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Speaker 24: in the studio and had a brain bleed and unfortunately

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Speaker 24: has led to him passing on. This is from a

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Speaker 24: solo album he did, so this is a thing Kissed

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Speaker 24: did in nineteen seventy eight. All four members of the

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Speaker 24: band released a solo album on the same day. And

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Speaker 24: the interesting thing is critics in the years since and

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Speaker 24: at the time have concluded that ACES one was actually

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Speaker 24: the best of the four albums. This song New York

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Speaker 24: Group is actually a cover from another band who had

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Speaker 24: called Hello, who had released it a few years earlier,

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Speaker 24: but has kind of stood the test of time and

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Speaker 24: has now a big hit.

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Speaker 9: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: So, do you know who's going to be really sad

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Speaker 3: about this? Is Do you remember we had a US

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Speaker 3: ambassador called Scott. Do you remember Scott?

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Speaker 9: Yes, I remember Scott.

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Speaker 3: Who did the centerfold the model. He was obssessed. Robert

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Speaker 3: is obsessed with Kiss to this day, like collects all

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Speaker 3: of their staff, hangs out with them and staff. I

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Speaker 3: think about this, ants if you had to pick a

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Speaker 3: band to be obsessed with, it would not be kiss Ae.

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Speaker 9: So for me, I would say no. But this is

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Speaker 9: the thing.

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Speaker 24: They were such a like a they were so different,

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Speaker 24: like all the makeup and all the ridiculous things that

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Speaker 24: it was just so different everything in the seventies that

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Speaker 24: they kind of created a cult following that would never

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Speaker 24: go away.

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Speaker 9: But I just couldn't say were doing their own thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What I couldn't get over though, and you make a

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Speaker 3: fair point, But what I couldn't get over was what

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Speaker 3: they sounded like is not what they looked like at all.

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Speaker 3: They should have looked like a bunch of daggy dads

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Speaker 3: from the seventies that anyway.

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Speaker 24: That's right. I was going to say, I've got who

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Speaker 24: is this From Michael Hahn from the Guardian. He says,

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Speaker 24: I've written enough about Kiss for it to be playing

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Speaker 24: that while they fascinate me and I have a genuine

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Speaker 24: love for them. I also don't think they're that great

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Speaker 24: natural band, so that's I think probably what a lot

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Speaker 24: of people think about them.

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Speaker 3: Well, there you go, Not from me, from him. Hey,

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Speaker 3: enjoy your weekend and we'll see you on Monday.

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Speaker 17: Stay safe For.

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Speaker 2: More or from hither Duplessy Allen Drive.

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