1 00:00:09,133 --> 00:00:11,973 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk Seed B. 2 00:00:12,413 --> 00:00:19,533 Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:21,293 --> 00:00:26,333 Speaker 2: Take another Patrick, It is out, The test is over. 4 00:00:28,573 --> 00:00:32,933 Speaker 3: Couldn't smokes a beauty? This is out here you guys. 5 00:00:33,013 --> 00:00:34,053 Speaker 4: Just Delivery has in. 6 00:00:34,533 --> 00:00:35,613 Speaker 3: User to Bold. 7 00:00:37,693 --> 00:00:41,053 Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Coney, 8 00:00:41,413 --> 00:00:45,293 Speaker 1: powered by News Talks Dead B at iHeart Radio. 9 00:00:47,733 --> 00:00:51,253 Speaker 2: Hello on the Front foot once again. The hiatus in 10 00:00:51,613 --> 00:00:54,773 Speaker 2: Test cricket, the World Test Championship having just a short 11 00:00:54,853 --> 00:00:58,973 Speaker 2: break while we enjoyed the the lights of Rolder climbing 12 00:00:59,093 --> 00:01:03,893 Speaker 2: on the Olympics and other fashionable sports that are being 13 00:01:03,973 --> 00:01:06,773 Speaker 2: played at the present time. It's a month away from 14 00:01:06,773 --> 00:01:09,733 Speaker 2: a test in India for the Black Chair versus Afghanistan. 15 00:01:10,013 --> 00:01:13,773 Speaker 2: How close are they? Just settling the squad winter training 16 00:01:13,853 --> 00:01:16,573 Speaker 2: at home. Teen twenties in America and Canada, they've got 17 00:01:16,573 --> 00:01:19,333 Speaker 2: one hundred. In England. We're going to remember one of 18 00:01:19,373 --> 00:01:23,293 Speaker 2: our greats from seventy five years ago, sadly a farewell 19 00:01:23,453 --> 00:01:28,853 Speaker 2: to an English cricket rock, the death recently of for 20 00:01:28,853 --> 00:01:32,733 Speaker 2: Graham Thorpe. We will talk about him as well. Some 21 00:01:32,853 --> 00:01:35,613 Speaker 2: sad news too. As we look towards what is happening. 22 00:01:36,093 --> 00:01:39,653 Speaker 2: Jeremy and Garth Galloway special guests once more with us 23 00:01:40,333 --> 00:01:43,973 Speaker 2: that Nathan Smith, who must be coming into reckoning for 24 00:01:44,053 --> 00:01:47,933 Speaker 2: the National selectors for international duty, is coming home from 25 00:01:48,573 --> 00:01:53,133 Speaker 2: Worcestershire because of injury. Good thing to do, but it's 26 00:01:53,533 --> 00:01:56,213 Speaker 2: not a good time to be doing it having an injury. 27 00:01:56,693 --> 00:02:00,373 Speaker 2: I don't think Jeremy with so many games coming up. 28 00:02:00,413 --> 00:02:05,213 Speaker 3: Good ay, Garth and Wadds. Look, Wor'stershare have really used 29 00:02:05,293 --> 00:02:08,013 Speaker 3: him quite sensibly. I mean he's been opening the bowling 30 00:02:08,493 --> 00:02:12,733 Speaker 3: I notice, certainly towards the beginning of the county Championship anyway, 31 00:02:13,093 --> 00:02:15,973 Speaker 3: and that's when they were using I think was at 32 00:02:15,973 --> 00:02:18,493 Speaker 3: the first two games they used the Kooko baro ball. 33 00:02:19,133 --> 00:02:23,493 Speaker 3: But certainly he was getting wickets for Worcestershire. And as 34 00:02:23,533 --> 00:02:26,293 Speaker 3: I mentioned last week, he can also handle a bat 35 00:02:27,133 --> 00:02:30,533 Speaker 3: adequately as well, certainly in comparison to the rest of 36 00:02:30,573 --> 00:02:34,093 Speaker 3: our bowling unit here in New Zealand with the red ball, 37 00:02:34,693 --> 00:02:37,573 Speaker 3: O Rourke and Sears. No, they don't really offer a 38 00:02:37,613 --> 00:02:41,773 Speaker 3: great deal with the bat. And then of course you 39 00:02:41,773 --> 00:02:45,613 Speaker 3: know you're looking at Saudi or Duffy perhaps you know 40 00:02:45,733 --> 00:02:48,893 Speaker 3: they don't offer much either at the moment. Maybe Shipley might. 41 00:02:49,813 --> 00:02:52,493 Speaker 3: He's got some runs at first class level, but certainly 42 00:02:52,533 --> 00:02:55,773 Speaker 3: not at the Test level yet. So you know, Nathan 43 00:02:55,813 --> 00:02:59,093 Speaker 3: Smith could be an important character to be watching carefully. 44 00:02:59,453 --> 00:03:01,773 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a tough time for him Garth because 45 00:03:02,373 --> 00:03:05,133 Speaker 2: he really only just come off a year's absence for 46 00:03:05,253 --> 00:03:09,373 Speaker 2: the game because of injury. That's the nature of the 47 00:03:09,413 --> 00:03:13,013 Speaker 2: beast is that you do have injuries. But he's in 48 00:03:13,093 --> 00:03:16,373 Speaker 2: New Zealand a consideration and he must be close to 49 00:03:16,813 --> 00:03:19,533 Speaker 2: selection either Test or One Day level. I don't know 50 00:03:19,533 --> 00:03:21,973 Speaker 2: about T twenty, but you know he's got to be 51 00:03:22,053 --> 00:03:23,933 Speaker 2: there from what he's achieved so far. 52 00:03:24,733 --> 00:03:26,573 Speaker 5: I agree, and I think he's done. You know, he's 53 00:03:26,613 --> 00:03:29,093 Speaker 5: done very well for Worcestershire. He's taken twenty seven wickets 54 00:03:29,133 --> 00:03:31,773 Speaker 5: and seven matches. I've left on the notes in the office, 55 00:03:32,093 --> 00:03:35,453 Speaker 5: Watson Jerry. So if I'm slightly inaccurate, just you know, 56 00:03:35,773 --> 00:03:39,093 Speaker 5: forgive me. But twenty seven wickets and seven matches at 57 00:03:39,093 --> 00:03:42,413 Speaker 5: an average of twenty one, so you know, a really 58 00:03:42,453 --> 00:03:45,493 Speaker 5: good return. Put some tent on the county averages in 59 00:03:45,493 --> 00:03:48,653 Speaker 5: that Division One championship and he's got them at a 60 00:03:49,333 --> 00:03:52,973 Speaker 5: good economical rate as well. I really like him. I 61 00:03:52,973 --> 00:03:57,133 Speaker 5: see St Giles's, who's the general manager at Worcestershire and 62 00:03:57,813 --> 00:04:02,493 Speaker 5: former English selector and English spinner, has published a statement 63 00:04:02,573 --> 00:04:05,173 Speaker 5: saying that he's always welcome back at Worcestershire. It's a 64 00:04:05,213 --> 00:04:07,253 Speaker 5: lovely place, of course, in a Jerry, I don't know 65 00:04:07,253 --> 00:04:09,933 Speaker 5: if you played it New Road, but I was in 66 00:04:10,093 --> 00:04:13,133 Speaker 5: Worcester coaching for years a year and it's of course 67 00:04:13,213 --> 00:04:15,813 Speaker 5: got the association with Glenn Turner and of course Martin 68 00:04:15,893 --> 00:04:18,813 Speaker 5: Horton who coached out here, the former England player. Lovely 69 00:04:18,853 --> 00:04:20,933 Speaker 5: part of the world. So I'm sure Nathan Smith will 70 00:04:20,973 --> 00:04:24,053 Speaker 5: have enjoyed it and benefited from it, but just not 71 00:04:24,133 --> 00:04:25,973 Speaker 5: long enough for him. But I agree with you both. 72 00:04:26,013 --> 00:04:28,173 Speaker 5: I think he definitely comes into contention. He's got a 73 00:04:28,173 --> 00:04:31,573 Speaker 5: hamstring injury and judging by the fact that he's coming home, 74 00:04:31,613 --> 00:04:34,933 Speaker 5: it must be serious. So again I wonder if that's 75 00:04:34,973 --> 00:04:38,413 Speaker 5: because he really is genuinely in contention for these tests 76 00:04:38,413 --> 00:04:40,213 Speaker 5: which are coming up in the not too distant future. 77 00:04:40,973 --> 00:04:43,173 Speaker 2: Darth, can I just pick youre for a moment you 78 00:04:43,293 --> 00:04:46,893 Speaker 2: said something slightly inaccurate. I can't believe that you're slightly 79 00:04:46,893 --> 00:04:48,053 Speaker 2: inaccurate at any stage. 80 00:04:48,853 --> 00:04:51,853 Speaker 5: Oh no, thank you, thank you, thank you very much. Well, 81 00:04:52,773 --> 00:04:54,973 Speaker 5: Jerry picks me up occasionally. 82 00:04:54,853 --> 00:04:58,253 Speaker 3: He was, he was inaccurate. It's twenty one point seventy 83 00:04:58,253 --> 00:05:03,653 Speaker 3: five six, right, and you need to get that right. Okay, 84 00:05:04,533 --> 00:05:08,573 Speaker 3: Now I do remember new Road Garth. I irritated all 85 00:05:08,573 --> 00:05:11,693 Speaker 3: the rest of the bowlers, the whole bowling fraternity in 86 00:05:11,733 --> 00:05:14,893 Speaker 3: one of the tours when I went there because it 87 00:05:14,933 --> 00:05:16,453 Speaker 3: was it was a bit of it was a rough 88 00:05:16,493 --> 00:05:19,333 Speaker 3: wicket and I managed to get seven wickets in the 89 00:05:19,373 --> 00:05:22,253 Speaker 3: match and that put me right on top of the averages. 90 00:05:22,333 --> 00:05:25,093 Speaker 3: So I was getting some horrible looks from all the 91 00:05:25,133 --> 00:05:30,693 Speaker 3: ballers at the end of the series for the playing 92 00:05:30,733 --> 00:05:34,733 Speaker 3: the off couldn't get the ball off me once. That's right, 93 00:05:34,813 --> 00:05:37,213 Speaker 3: exactly interesting. 94 00:05:40,213 --> 00:05:43,893 Speaker 2: Nathan Smith's got an injury there. We're talking about a 95 00:05:43,933 --> 00:05:46,293 Speaker 2: World Test Championship. New Zealand have yet to pick aside. 96 00:05:46,293 --> 00:05:50,693 Speaker 2: In fact, they've yet to confirm their contract list. Must 97 00:05:50,733 --> 00:05:54,173 Speaker 2: be tough game for them. How tough is this year 98 00:05:54,253 --> 00:05:58,053 Speaker 2: going to be? I see this as pretty important. We're 99 00:05:58,093 --> 00:06:00,453 Speaker 2: fifty percent on the World Test Championship the moment. We've 100 00:06:00,493 --> 00:06:04,573 Speaker 2: got three in India and three Tests in England Afghanistan 101 00:06:04,613 --> 00:06:07,173 Speaker 2: don't appear in the World Test Championship. But it's a 102 00:06:07,173 --> 00:06:09,093 Speaker 2: big year for this New Zealm, so doesn't it. 103 00:06:10,253 --> 00:06:12,773 Speaker 5: Yeah, chores and I can't see them to be to 104 00:06:12,813 --> 00:06:15,733 Speaker 5: be honest with you, and Jerry and I were lucky 105 00:06:15,853 --> 00:06:18,253 Speaker 5: enough to sit in the studio in Eddington and do 106 00:06:18,413 --> 00:06:20,373 Speaker 5: ball by ball and the last time that they were 107 00:06:20,373 --> 00:06:24,733 Speaker 5: in India and and Wadd's you know it was it 108 00:06:24,813 --> 00:06:28,413 Speaker 5: was pretty grim. Well they drew, didn't they They drew the 109 00:06:28,493 --> 00:06:31,413 Speaker 5: That the what I'm just thinking Ptel picked. 110 00:06:31,213 --> 00:06:31,573 Speaker 2: Up for you. 111 00:06:31,733 --> 00:06:36,853 Speaker 3: They hang on. Yeah the first test, didn't they nine down? 112 00:06:37,453 --> 00:06:40,093 Speaker 5: That's right? Yeah, but it was grim And I think 113 00:06:40,133 --> 00:06:42,693 Speaker 5: these these three tests in India are going to be 114 00:06:42,773 --> 00:06:45,813 Speaker 5: pretty tough for this side as well. Wads and Jerry 115 00:06:45,933 --> 00:06:49,613 Speaker 5: and if you look at this silly competition, which you 116 00:06:49,613 --> 00:06:53,813 Speaker 5: know relies on the winning percentage, I think our percentage 117 00:06:53,813 --> 00:06:57,493 Speaker 5: will be dented after the India series in India and 118 00:06:57,573 --> 00:07:00,933 Speaker 5: that makes those tests against England deposlutely vital. I mean, 119 00:07:00,973 --> 00:07:03,733 Speaker 5: if they lose those three tests, you know their points 120 00:07:03,773 --> 00:07:05,573 Speaker 5: will be down. They'll be at an average of thirty 121 00:07:05,613 --> 00:07:09,213 Speaker 5: three that winning percentage or thirty three point three three 122 00:07:09,333 --> 00:07:11,733 Speaker 5: three recurring Jerry, just to be accurate. 123 00:07:11,613 --> 00:07:12,053 Speaker 3: Thank you. 124 00:07:12,613 --> 00:07:15,533 Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, and I think it's going to 125 00:07:15,533 --> 00:07:19,253 Speaker 5: be very interesting. Indeed, the attack that they choose, who 126 00:07:19,253 --> 00:07:21,853 Speaker 5: will bowl at the at the start of the innings 127 00:07:22,333 --> 00:07:24,293 Speaker 5: and are they going to play three spinners and they 128 00:07:24,373 --> 00:07:25,213 Speaker 5: have to over there. 129 00:07:25,813 --> 00:07:28,533 Speaker 3: Yeah. New Zealand have won three of the six Tests 130 00:07:28,573 --> 00:07:33,213 Speaker 3: they have played. They now are confronted with against two 131 00:07:33,293 --> 00:07:36,973 Speaker 3: of the stronger sides. England were at the bottom of 132 00:07:37,053 --> 00:07:40,653 Speaker 3: the of the Test Championship becauds. They had played Australia 133 00:07:41,413 --> 00:07:43,653 Speaker 3: in the Ashes and that was a tool wall draw 134 00:07:44,293 --> 00:07:48,813 Speaker 3: and then they played India and India and they lost 135 00:07:48,853 --> 00:07:53,093 Speaker 3: that four to one. So that's why are they were languishing. 136 00:07:53,133 --> 00:07:55,853 Speaker 3: But now they've come up with the last two victories 137 00:07:55,893 --> 00:07:59,293 Speaker 3: against West Indies. They are likely to do the same 138 00:07:59,333 --> 00:08:04,573 Speaker 3: against Sri Lanka, so they will probably improve their percentage. 139 00:08:05,093 --> 00:08:07,733 Speaker 3: New Zealand have got two hard ones, haven't they. It's 140 00:08:07,773 --> 00:08:12,653 Speaker 3: not in conceivable that they might lose all six or 141 00:08:12,693 --> 00:08:15,413 Speaker 3: they might not win one. In other words, it might 142 00:08:15,453 --> 00:08:18,053 Speaker 3: be a drawer somewhere, if there's rain somewhere or something 143 00:08:18,173 --> 00:08:21,573 Speaker 3: like that. If they can sneak through with a win somewhere. 144 00:08:21,973 --> 00:08:24,373 Speaker 3: I think that would be pretty reasonable for a side 145 00:08:24,413 --> 00:08:29,413 Speaker 3: actually in transition. I know they'll be at home. But England, look, 146 00:08:29,813 --> 00:08:33,773 Speaker 3: you know, they could easily have won that Basin Reserve Test, 147 00:08:34,533 --> 00:08:37,693 Speaker 3: even though lost by one run, but they I mean, 148 00:08:37,933 --> 00:08:40,373 Speaker 3: that's how close it was, and they took a gamble. 149 00:08:40,893 --> 00:08:44,133 Speaker 3: I could. I can see New Zealand, you know, not 150 00:08:44,253 --> 00:08:46,533 Speaker 3: winning a Test. It is conceivable. 151 00:08:46,773 --> 00:08:48,813 Speaker 5: I think England also the other thing, when you watch 152 00:08:49,293 --> 00:08:52,173 Speaker 5: the way that they've played against the West Indies and 153 00:08:52,293 --> 00:08:54,973 Speaker 5: some of the series against India where they were well beaten. 154 00:08:54,973 --> 00:08:57,653 Speaker 5: In this series head after they won the first Test, 155 00:08:58,333 --> 00:09:00,533 Speaker 5: you're seeing a side I think that it's changing a 156 00:09:00,573 --> 00:09:02,413 Speaker 5: little bit in the way that they're playing the game. 157 00:09:02,533 --> 00:09:05,373 Speaker 5: So we saw the helter skelter, you know, the stuff 158 00:09:05,413 --> 00:09:07,173 Speaker 5: they call basball and all of that stuff, and it 159 00:09:07,213 --> 00:09:10,253 Speaker 5: did seem at time, I mean, it was highly addictive 160 00:09:10,333 --> 00:09:12,813 Speaker 5: but at times less effective, and I think that's you know, 161 00:09:12,853 --> 00:09:15,053 Speaker 5: the Wellington Test is a really good example of a 162 00:09:15,133 --> 00:09:19,413 Speaker 5: game that they threw away through through ego really and 163 00:09:19,453 --> 00:09:22,533 Speaker 5: wanting to play in that way. And you'll remember Wagner 164 00:09:22,653 --> 00:09:25,533 Speaker 5: took wickets in the second innings and he bowled short 165 00:09:25,573 --> 00:09:27,213 Speaker 5: and he was. You know, they really wanted to take 166 00:09:27,253 --> 00:09:28,853 Speaker 5: him on and had they not, I think they would 167 00:09:28,853 --> 00:09:31,093 Speaker 5: have won the match. They're playing a bit differently now 168 00:09:31,093 --> 00:09:32,853 Speaker 5: and if you look at the straight rates against the 169 00:09:32,853 --> 00:09:35,813 Speaker 5: West Indies of their top order, they're quite different to 170 00:09:35,893 --> 00:09:37,773 Speaker 5: what they were in the first you know, when McCullum 171 00:09:37,813 --> 00:09:40,853 Speaker 5: first took over. That doesn't help New Zealand's chances in 172 00:09:40,893 --> 00:09:42,773 Speaker 5: my view, and that's the point that I wanted to make. 173 00:09:42,893 --> 00:09:45,653 Speaker 5: They're being a little bit more circumspect, but they're still 174 00:09:45,653 --> 00:09:48,293 Speaker 5: scoring their runs at four point five five runs and over. 175 00:09:49,013 --> 00:09:51,573 Speaker 2: We can't make our judgments against the West Indies, but 176 00:09:51,693 --> 00:09:54,373 Speaker 2: they're going to be a better side with the changes 177 00:09:54,413 --> 00:09:57,733 Speaker 2: that they've made in terms of personnel, and better side 178 00:09:57,733 --> 00:09:59,573 Speaker 2: than what they had when they came out last time. 179 00:09:59,613 --> 00:10:01,413 Speaker 2: They were surely Jerry. 180 00:10:01,533 --> 00:10:07,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know they're batting lineup with Root 181 00:10:07,693 --> 00:10:12,653 Speaker 3: just playing way that he normally plays. He holds and binds, 182 00:10:12,693 --> 00:10:16,613 Speaker 3: if you like that whole order at number four together. 183 00:10:17,853 --> 00:10:22,613 Speaker 3: Poper's not playing so aggressively. I think you'll find Crawley will, 184 00:10:23,373 --> 00:10:26,253 Speaker 3: but I think you know, with Brooke playing aggressively as 185 00:10:26,253 --> 00:10:31,853 Speaker 3: he does, having the bowling services of the captain really helps, 186 00:10:31,933 --> 00:10:35,773 Speaker 3: doesn't it. The whole side looks a lot more balanced 187 00:10:36,173 --> 00:10:39,013 Speaker 3: now they're not having to make up and find another bowler. 188 00:10:39,813 --> 00:10:44,013 Speaker 3: You know, Ben Stokes is there and he's bowling quite well, 189 00:10:44,653 --> 00:10:47,293 Speaker 3: and so now they've also changed some of their other 190 00:10:47,333 --> 00:10:51,853 Speaker 3: bowlers and they're looking very likely. Yes, you've got to 191 00:10:51,893 --> 00:10:54,173 Speaker 3: always put it into context of it was the West 192 00:10:54,213 --> 00:10:57,573 Speaker 3: Indies who were an inexperienced side. But let's see how 193 00:10:57,573 --> 00:11:00,413 Speaker 3: they go. They're changing their side again, aren't they. For 194 00:11:00,613 --> 00:11:05,253 Speaker 3: the Sri Lankan series that is just upcoming. Jordan Cox 195 00:11:05,373 --> 00:11:07,573 Speaker 3: is coming and as the keeper. Whether he plays or not, 196 00:11:07,933 --> 00:11:10,133 Speaker 3: I don't know. I would have thought Jamie Smith would 197 00:11:10,133 --> 00:11:14,053 Speaker 3: have carried on myself. Olie Stone is a fast bowler 198 00:11:14,053 --> 00:11:16,413 Speaker 3: who played against New Zealand and used to play for 199 00:11:16,733 --> 00:11:19,733 Speaker 3: Warwick Shoes at Edgeburston. He's in for Pennington who has 200 00:11:19,733 --> 00:11:22,973 Speaker 3: a bit of an injury I believe, and then Dan Lawrence. 201 00:11:23,013 --> 00:11:25,133 Speaker 3: The interesting even I mean Dan Lawrence is to sit 202 00:11:25,253 --> 00:11:29,853 Speaker 3: to open. That's that's interesting. With Crawley's injury. So you 203 00:11:29,893 --> 00:11:33,333 Speaker 3: know he's normally a middle order player. I'll be interested. 204 00:11:33,653 --> 00:11:36,253 Speaker 3: He's probably desperate to play. Went to India and he's 205 00:11:36,293 --> 00:11:40,533 Speaker 3: been sitting around for the West Indies series play anywhere. 206 00:11:40,573 --> 00:11:44,693 Speaker 3: Probably so. But he's a middle order and a bowler, 207 00:11:44,733 --> 00:11:47,133 Speaker 3: isn't he as well? Part time bowler? Really? Well? 208 00:11:47,133 --> 00:11:49,413 Speaker 2: The interesting thing is that they've had an injury to 209 00:11:49,573 --> 00:11:52,733 Speaker 2: an opening batsman and Zach Crawley. They've decided, how will 210 00:11:52,773 --> 00:11:54,973 Speaker 2: we go about replacing him? Oh, we've got down? 211 00:11:55,053 --> 00:11:55,213 Speaker 3: Yeah? 212 00:11:55,213 --> 00:11:57,013 Speaker 2: Why are we bringing a look at keeper as well? 213 00:11:57,053 --> 00:12:01,973 Speaker 2: Because we've we've dumped he bears though, and poor old 214 00:12:02,013 --> 00:12:04,493 Speaker 2: Ben folks well, he can't keep to save himself, can he? 215 00:12:04,493 --> 00:12:06,213 Speaker 2: He can bat, but he can't keep. Oh if I 216 00:12:06,293 --> 00:12:08,493 Speaker 2: got that wrong or somebody has. But anyway, they've got 217 00:12:08,493 --> 00:12:11,173 Speaker 2: a new keeper as well. But I mean that all 218 00:12:11,213 --> 00:12:13,853 Speaker 2: adds to what they've got and we'll get a good 219 00:12:14,293 --> 00:12:17,813 Speaker 2: idea about England from Sri Lanka, who probably won't be 220 00:12:18,013 --> 00:12:22,053 Speaker 2: any better than West Indies at three home matches, will they. 221 00:12:22,333 --> 00:12:23,813 Speaker 3: I don't know whether you saw. I don't know whether 222 00:12:23,853 --> 00:12:27,133 Speaker 3: you saw the ode I scores. Sri Lanka have been 223 00:12:27,173 --> 00:12:30,693 Speaker 3: playing India, haven't they? They needed I think in the 224 00:12:30,853 --> 00:12:34,213 Speaker 3: in the last match I saw they needed nine runs 225 00:12:34,213 --> 00:12:38,693 Speaker 3: with six wickets remaining. They brought on a guy called 226 00:12:38,773 --> 00:12:42,733 Speaker 3: Ringkul and he's never bowled before he got a couple 227 00:12:42,733 --> 00:12:46,573 Speaker 3: of wickets. They brought in someone else, Suria Kumar, he 228 00:12:46,773 --> 00:12:50,173 Speaker 3: was the captain. He got a couple and they ended 229 00:12:50,253 --> 00:12:52,853 Speaker 3: up tying the match and then only scoring two in 230 00:12:52,933 --> 00:12:55,333 Speaker 3: the super over, so they lost the game. It's not 231 00:12:55,453 --> 00:12:59,133 Speaker 3: a good look. They're batting is awful at the moment, 232 00:12:59,453 --> 00:13:02,373 Speaker 3: so they are going to have to really play well. 233 00:13:02,413 --> 00:13:05,693 Speaker 3: I think to Test England. England are looking guys. They're 234 00:13:05,693 --> 00:13:10,133 Speaker 3: looking sharper. There's a much more steely kind of look 235 00:13:10,173 --> 00:13:13,013 Speaker 3: about them. I think a with the batting, which Garth's 236 00:13:13,053 --> 00:13:16,773 Speaker 3: pointed out, but be their bowling is better with players 237 00:13:16,813 --> 00:13:19,253 Speaker 3: like Wood bowling at ninety now and looking you know, 238 00:13:19,293 --> 00:13:22,093 Speaker 3: he had been bandaged up. He looked like an Egyptian mummy, 239 00:13:22,333 --> 00:13:28,613 Speaker 3: but you know he and Wood and Atkinson. Atkinson looks 240 00:13:28,973 --> 00:13:33,053 Speaker 3: very tidy indeed, and then Stokes to follow that up 241 00:13:33,093 --> 00:13:36,893 Speaker 3: who swings the ball and then this gliber shier and 242 00:13:37,933 --> 00:13:40,093 Speaker 3: I think that they're going to be a much more 243 00:13:40,133 --> 00:13:42,053 Speaker 3: difficult proposition this time around. 244 00:13:42,893 --> 00:13:45,973 Speaker 2: Yes, well, when the first Test comes up against the 245 00:13:46,013 --> 00:13:49,213 Speaker 2: Sri Lankan side, England will be playing due respect to 246 00:13:49,853 --> 00:13:53,133 Speaker 2: a man who's been seen as a rock of their game. 247 00:13:53,293 --> 00:13:57,253 Speaker 2: Somebody who is reliable and dependable and has passed away 248 00:13:57,493 --> 00:13:59,613 Speaker 2: at an early age. I think he must have had 249 00:14:00,653 --> 00:14:03,453 Speaker 2: a terminal illness of some kind. Graham thought, fifty five 250 00:14:03,533 --> 00:14:07,333 Speaker 2: years of age, one hundred Test matches for England. We know, 251 00:14:07,333 --> 00:14:09,733 Speaker 2: I'm pretty well in. He only made a few trips here, 252 00:14:10,533 --> 00:14:14,613 Speaker 2: Garth and a cricketer whoever is what? Nearly forty five 253 00:14:14,653 --> 00:14:18,493 Speaker 2: in Test matches? Great performer and sad to have been 254 00:14:18,493 --> 00:14:20,213 Speaker 2: passing away at such an early age. 255 00:14:20,933 --> 00:14:24,493 Speaker 5: Oh, it's terrible, it's really sad news. And played a 256 00:14:24,493 --> 00:14:27,373 Speaker 5: one hundred tests, of course for England. A left hander 257 00:14:27,373 --> 00:14:30,573 Speaker 5: who was you know, I will well remember him and 258 00:14:30,573 --> 00:14:32,933 Speaker 5: we were all lucky enough to be broadcasting when he 259 00:14:33,013 --> 00:14:37,453 Speaker 5: scored two hundred at Lancaster Park and that magnificent Test 260 00:14:37,453 --> 00:14:40,973 Speaker 5: where as still got two hundred and twenty two in 261 00:14:41,053 --> 00:14:44,853 Speaker 5: two thousand and two, and it was a quite brilliant 262 00:14:44,893 --> 00:14:47,453 Speaker 5: hint things. I think people sometimes think of Thorpe as 263 00:14:47,493 --> 00:14:51,453 Speaker 5: being he was a stoic and a great competitor. But 264 00:14:51,533 --> 00:14:53,893 Speaker 5: he wasn't a dowdy left hander. I thought he was. 265 00:14:54,453 --> 00:14:56,973 Speaker 5: He was an attractive player. He was a player of 266 00:14:57,093 --> 00:15:00,333 Speaker 5: courage and just looking at his statistics one hundred matches, 267 00:15:00,373 --> 00:15:04,773 Speaker 5: sixteen Test centuries and just looking and reading about him 268 00:15:05,333 --> 00:15:07,493 Speaker 5: since he died one of his innings, you know, a 269 00:15:07,533 --> 00:15:11,173 Speaker 5: Test match and pack Kistan and Karachi in two thousand 270 00:15:11,413 --> 00:15:15,813 Speaker 5: when when England won that match and won the series 271 00:15:15,893 --> 00:15:21,093 Speaker 5: against Pakistan after they had been unbeaten for thirty four 272 00:15:21,213 --> 00:15:24,333 Speaker 5: Tests at home and they'd been beaten England five series 273 00:15:24,373 --> 00:15:27,773 Speaker 5: in a row. And it was as England chased down 274 00:15:27,773 --> 00:15:30,053 Speaker 5: one hundred and sixty or so in the fourth innings, 275 00:15:30,093 --> 00:15:34,013 Speaker 5: it was the best of the players was Thorpe who 276 00:15:34,093 --> 00:15:38,013 Speaker 5: got sixty four not out, you know, and again just 277 00:15:38,013 --> 00:15:42,293 Speaker 5: reflecting on some of his innings against against Sri Lanka 278 00:15:42,333 --> 00:15:44,733 Speaker 5: in Colombo where he scored one hundred and thirteen not 279 00:15:44,813 --> 00:15:49,253 Speaker 5: out of magnificent innings standing out against a very good 280 00:15:49,293 --> 00:15:51,733 Speaker 5: Tri Lankan side. And we talked about Sri Lanka earlier. 281 00:15:51,733 --> 00:15:54,093 Speaker 5: I mean this was a Shri Lankan side that's very 282 00:15:54,133 --> 00:15:57,493 Speaker 5: different to what we're seeing now. You know that magnificent 283 00:15:57,653 --> 00:16:00,493 Speaker 5: batting lineup that they had, and you think back so 284 00:16:00,613 --> 00:16:04,573 Speaker 5: fondy out of party, Jayasurias Thinkakara to silver, Jale Wardner, 285 00:16:04,973 --> 00:16:08,333 Speaker 5: hell ofving it, hell of a side and the bowling 286 00:16:08,373 --> 00:16:12,573 Speaker 5: attack wasn't bad either, with Bura Leather and Jayasuria and co. 287 00:16:13,213 --> 00:16:15,133 Speaker 5: And just looking and seeing that he was a great 288 00:16:15,133 --> 00:16:17,773 Speaker 5: player of spin bowling. He did well in India as well, 289 00:16:18,613 --> 00:16:21,613 Speaker 5: and I think people will remember him fondy but gone far, 290 00:16:21,733 --> 00:16:22,493 Speaker 5: far too early. 291 00:16:23,213 --> 00:16:25,293 Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about that game in christ Church, the 292 00:16:25,653 --> 00:16:28,733 Speaker 2: Astill game two hundred and twenty two. We will never 293 00:16:28,773 --> 00:16:31,573 Speaker 2: ever forget that. But you look at Thorpe's stats. So 294 00:16:32,013 --> 00:16:34,093 Speaker 2: he got a double hundred, as you say, off two 295 00:16:34,213 --> 00:16:36,773 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty one balls. He was in that partnership 296 00:16:36,813 --> 00:16:41,853 Speaker 2: with Andrew Flintoff and in fact he out played flint Off. 297 00:16:41,853 --> 00:16:43,453 Speaker 2: He was Man of the match for his two hundred. 298 00:16:43,573 --> 00:16:45,453 Speaker 2: He had a strike rate of eighty six. Flint Off 299 00:16:45,653 --> 00:16:47,733 Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty seven from one hundred and sixty 300 00:16:47,773 --> 00:16:51,293 Speaker 2: three balls at a strike rate of eighty four. So 301 00:16:51,613 --> 00:16:56,653 Speaker 2: he certainly played an important part in giving England that 302 00:16:58,213 --> 00:17:00,973 Speaker 2: advantage that they had, because you know, I remember back 303 00:17:01,013 --> 00:17:03,573 Speaker 2: to the first day. Wasn't that Ken's had three wickets 304 00:17:03,853 --> 00:17:08,693 Speaker 2: before that even opened the gates to Lancaster Park as 305 00:17:08,733 --> 00:17:11,573 Speaker 2: it was known in those days. Goodness me, it's gone 306 00:17:11,613 --> 00:17:14,373 Speaker 2: for a few changes. It's Lancaster Park Jerry, I was 307 00:17:14,413 --> 00:17:17,733 Speaker 2: reading on the stats that it's Ami Stadium that he played. 308 00:17:18,853 --> 00:17:22,133 Speaker 3: Yeah, is that right? Yeah? No, yeah, well it certainly 309 00:17:22,213 --> 00:17:25,173 Speaker 3: wasn't was it. No? I mean we remember it for 310 00:17:25,213 --> 00:17:27,493 Speaker 3: the Astel innings, don't we, But you're right there was. 311 00:17:27,533 --> 00:17:31,293 Speaker 3: I think also was it one hundred by Hussein in 312 00:17:31,333 --> 00:17:35,133 Speaker 3: the first innings again for England. I don't know. I 313 00:17:35,173 --> 00:17:37,853 Speaker 3: get a bit mixed up now, but I think the 314 00:17:37,853 --> 00:17:44,373 Speaker 3: points that you've made fifty five just so young. Second 315 00:17:44,413 --> 00:17:47,853 Speaker 3: thing I agree with he had the reputation as a 316 00:17:47,893 --> 00:17:51,093 Speaker 3: tough player in the sense that he was you called 317 00:17:51,133 --> 00:17:54,053 Speaker 3: him the rock Quads and right through those nineties which 318 00:17:54,053 --> 00:18:00,253 Speaker 3: were chaotic really for selection of different players game after 319 00:18:00,333 --> 00:18:04,533 Speaker 3: game in England. But he could defend and he could attack. 320 00:18:04,613 --> 00:18:07,053 Speaker 3: I remember an attacking in as he played at Barbados 321 00:18:07,093 --> 00:18:11,733 Speaker 3: where he just smashed West Indies. A fast pitcher, rough pitch, 322 00:18:12,453 --> 00:18:14,493 Speaker 3: and he was known for his hooking and his cutting, 323 00:18:14,613 --> 00:18:20,413 Speaker 3: particularly against the quick bowlers. Wonderful player of spin. Morally, 324 00:18:20,533 --> 00:18:22,933 Speaker 3: of course, that innings he got in Sri Lanka, he 325 00:18:22,973 --> 00:18:26,133 Speaker 3: didn't hit. He got a hundred, didn't hit a boundary, 326 00:18:27,973 --> 00:18:32,213 Speaker 3: didn't hit a boundary, and so he he used to 327 00:18:32,533 --> 00:18:36,253 Speaker 3: play with quite a small backlift and very strong wrists. 328 00:18:36,253 --> 00:18:40,133 Speaker 3: So he became a very effective nerdler around you know. 329 00:18:40,813 --> 00:18:43,213 Speaker 3: So the ball wasn't getting through at all. His bat 330 00:18:43,333 --> 00:18:49,173 Speaker 3: was down always he was. He wasn't really a conformist. 331 00:18:49,653 --> 00:18:55,813 Speaker 3: I knew. I knew saw Pee quite well outspoken, you know. 332 00:18:55,813 --> 00:18:58,813 Speaker 3: I remember he dressed codes annoyed him like hell. He 333 00:18:58,893 --> 00:19:01,693 Speaker 3: never used to turn up with the right clothes on 334 00:19:02,453 --> 00:19:07,973 Speaker 3: for for England. He he once he he was. He 335 00:19:08,093 --> 00:19:11,813 Speaker 3: fough against two dressing rooms for Surrey, one for the 336 00:19:11,853 --> 00:19:15,173 Speaker 3: capped players and one for the uncapped players. And he 337 00:19:15,293 --> 00:19:18,133 Speaker 3: fought like hell against that and made himself quite unpopular. 338 00:19:18,493 --> 00:19:23,293 Speaker 3: He was against touring Zimbabwe, a long serving Surrey man 339 00:19:23,333 --> 00:19:26,253 Speaker 3: with Mark Butcher good made of his one hundred tests 340 00:19:26,853 --> 00:19:31,293 Speaker 3: averaging forty four. And that was against players like Moore. 341 00:19:32,293 --> 00:19:38,053 Speaker 3: He's played against South Africa, Donald Pollock in teenee Pallas, 342 00:19:38,093 --> 00:19:39,973 Speaker 3: I would have thought would have been there as well. 343 00:19:40,933 --> 00:19:45,613 Speaker 3: Gars mentioned Murley and vas of course, great player of 344 00:19:45,693 --> 00:19:50,213 Speaker 3: spin and always the last man to leave at the bar. 345 00:19:50,493 --> 00:19:54,253 Speaker 3: You know, loved a good story, was he. Macram called 346 00:19:54,293 --> 00:19:56,933 Speaker 3: him the most difficult batsman he had to bowl to, 347 00:19:57,613 --> 00:20:00,213 Speaker 3: you think against the team against Ozzie that he played 348 00:20:00,213 --> 00:20:03,253 Speaker 3: against those strong two thousand years, you know that year 349 00:20:03,293 --> 00:20:08,373 Speaker 3: two thousand McGrath, Warren Gillespie, haunting you know, Gilchrist that 350 00:20:08,373 --> 00:20:12,013 Speaker 3: that side, and yet was still able to average forty 351 00:20:12,053 --> 00:20:16,013 Speaker 3: four man, you know, he he was. He was a 352 00:20:16,053 --> 00:20:18,853 Speaker 3: hell of a player, and so yeah, he would have 353 00:20:19,013 --> 00:20:22,733 Speaker 3: troubled relationships off the field. Used to talk quite openly 354 00:20:22,813 --> 00:20:26,333 Speaker 3: about those, but just to you know, and people sometimes 355 00:20:26,373 --> 00:20:29,493 Speaker 3: see that a weakness. I thought that completed the whole man. Actually, 356 00:20:29,893 --> 00:20:33,253 Speaker 3: so I really enjoyed Thorpe and very. 357 00:20:33,053 --> 00:20:37,213 Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't like we don't like conversations that are confrontational. 358 00:20:37,253 --> 00:20:41,493 Speaker 5: We avoid it and the conversations that we should have. 359 00:20:41,573 --> 00:20:42,893 Speaker 3: That's why you became a lawyer. 360 00:20:44,853 --> 00:20:48,773 Speaker 5: I get made to be confrontational. I mean, one of 361 00:20:48,813 --> 00:20:52,453 Speaker 5: these these are good stories that you're talking about with Thorpe. 362 00:20:52,453 --> 00:20:55,853 Speaker 5: You know, he was a character and for English players 363 00:20:55,893 --> 00:20:58,253 Speaker 5: to not like dress codes, you know, he would have 364 00:20:58,293 --> 00:20:59,013 Speaker 5: been rocking the. 365 00:20:58,933 --> 00:21:01,213 Speaker 3: Boat well yeah, you know. 366 00:21:01,253 --> 00:21:03,213 Speaker 5: And and also the player. You know when he got 367 00:21:03,253 --> 00:21:07,693 Speaker 5: those runs in Pakistan it was against the Lakes of Unice, 368 00:21:07,693 --> 00:21:10,613 Speaker 5: and again Clay Mushtack and so on. You know, one 369 00:21:10,693 --> 00:21:14,693 Speaker 5: very fine quick one lovely off spinner, and then I 370 00:21:14,693 --> 00:21:16,733 Speaker 5: look at that that time you got those runs you 371 00:21:16,773 --> 00:21:19,693 Speaker 5: talked about in Sri Lanka, England scored two hundred and 372 00:21:19,693 --> 00:21:20,133 Speaker 5: forty nine. 373 00:21:20,173 --> 00:21:23,893 Speaker 4: He got one hundred and thirteen not out Sri Lanka 374 00:21:24,053 --> 00:21:27,613 Speaker 4: out for eighty one, and then England it was seventy 375 00:21:27,653 --> 00:21:31,933 Speaker 4: four for six in the second innings to win, and 376 00:21:32,093 --> 00:21:33,373 Speaker 4: thought got thirty two not. 377 00:21:33,413 --> 00:21:37,173 Speaker 5: Out of those as well, you know, just in terms 378 00:21:37,253 --> 00:21:40,813 Speaker 5: of incredibly reliable but also capable of lifting his game 379 00:21:40,853 --> 00:21:43,293 Speaker 5: and playing attacking shops. Lovely player, square of the worker 380 00:21:43,373 --> 00:21:45,133 Speaker 5: on the off side, beautiful card of the ball. 381 00:21:46,013 --> 00:21:48,093 Speaker 2: He loved Wimbledon as well because he wore one of 382 00:21:48,173 --> 00:21:51,373 Speaker 2: John McEnroe's throwaway headbands quite often, didn't he. 383 00:21:52,133 --> 00:21:54,413 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's always the shot of him with taking his 384 00:21:54,493 --> 00:21:56,053 Speaker 3: helmet off when he got one hundred and he got 385 00:21:56,133 --> 00:22:00,093 Speaker 3: sixteen of them, and he lifted, he had his hands 386 00:22:00,093 --> 00:22:02,493 Speaker 3: aloft and you'd taken the helmet and there was the old, 387 00:22:02,613 --> 00:22:07,093 Speaker 3: ever present, ubiquitous sweatband that he had on underneath. And 388 00:22:08,373 --> 00:22:11,733 Speaker 3: you're right, but was he mackriman and Wakai Eunice Atherton 389 00:22:11,853 --> 00:22:14,813 Speaker 3: spoke about him in his book too. I remember reading 390 00:22:14,813 --> 00:22:17,573 Speaker 3: that and said, if I ever had anyone to go 391 00:22:17,693 --> 00:22:20,613 Speaker 3: out and bat when it was tough, you know, if 392 00:22:20,653 --> 00:22:23,173 Speaker 3: it was two for two hundred sorphy didn't you know, 393 00:22:23,293 --> 00:22:24,933 Speaker 3: you know, he was going to be heading back to 394 00:22:24,973 --> 00:22:29,573 Speaker 3: the changing room fairly soon after. But if they were 395 00:22:29,613 --> 00:22:31,733 Speaker 3: three for fifty on the first morning of a Test, 396 00:22:32,413 --> 00:22:35,853 Speaker 3: he was your man out. He would go, you know, 397 00:22:36,213 --> 00:22:39,533 Speaker 3: and he would he would really, you know, fight for 398 00:22:39,693 --> 00:22:43,253 Speaker 3: the wicket. So hell of a good player, nice person 399 00:22:43,293 --> 00:22:46,853 Speaker 3: off the field, and quite devastating for a lot of 400 00:22:46,893 --> 00:22:50,213 Speaker 3: those players. He became, of course the batting coach after 401 00:22:50,253 --> 00:22:53,013 Speaker 3: he played for England. He became the batting coach for England, 402 00:22:53,533 --> 00:22:56,253 Speaker 3: and he was about to join Afghanistan as the main 403 00:22:56,293 --> 00:23:00,693 Speaker 3: coach when he became ill, and when Trot went instead 404 00:23:00,693 --> 00:23:05,653 Speaker 3: of him. So yeah, so very sad news. Brian Waddell, 405 00:23:06,053 --> 00:23:08,253 Speaker 3: Jeremy Cooney on the front. 406 00:23:08,933 --> 00:23:12,053 Speaker 2: While we're remembering players we've played in the past, let's 407 00:23:12,333 --> 00:23:16,693 Speaker 2: go back in time and again. This is slightly accurate 408 00:23:16,893 --> 00:23:19,413 Speaker 2: because it comes from Francis Payne, and I would never 409 00:23:19,853 --> 00:23:23,733 Speaker 2: doubt Francis pain in terms of inaccuracy when it comes 410 00:23:23,773 --> 00:23:27,573 Speaker 2: to faction figures. We are in the seventy fifth anniversary 411 00:23:27,573 --> 00:23:32,253 Speaker 2: of Bert Suckcliffe's first ever Test one hundred in England 412 00:23:33,013 --> 00:23:35,973 Speaker 2: at Old Trafford one hundred and one. New Zealand made 413 00:23:36,013 --> 00:23:39,853 Speaker 2: three hundred and forty eight for seven and it was 414 00:23:39,893 --> 00:23:43,493 Speaker 2: against England in nineteen forty nine three day Test matchism 415 00:23:43,813 --> 00:23:47,653 Speaker 2: when we played in those days. But I know Jerry 416 00:23:47,693 --> 00:23:50,733 Speaker 2: will remember and Garth you will remember Bert as well 417 00:23:50,773 --> 00:23:55,853 Speaker 2: as your father would remember him from the days in Dunedin, 418 00:23:55,893 --> 00:23:56,293 Speaker 2: wouldn't he. 419 00:23:56,453 --> 00:23:58,173 Speaker 3: In terms of Bert. 420 00:23:57,933 --> 00:24:00,933 Speaker 2: Suckliffe, to my mind, I believe he is one of 421 00:24:00,973 --> 00:24:05,133 Speaker 2: the most elegant players I ever saw bat and that 422 00:24:05,253 --> 00:24:07,573 Speaker 2: was just part of the skill that he had as 423 00:24:07,933 --> 00:24:09,213 Speaker 2: a best player. 424 00:24:10,053 --> 00:24:12,893 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean a fantastic player. And Jerry can talk 425 00:24:13,053 --> 00:24:16,453 Speaker 5: knowledgeably about him and of course interviewed him and in 426 00:24:16,493 --> 00:24:20,493 Speaker 5: his wonderful programs on New Zealand Cricket. You know he 427 00:24:20,653 --> 00:24:23,173 Speaker 5: was a stall to the Northeast Valley Club in Dunedin. 428 00:24:23,253 --> 00:24:26,813 Speaker 5: Bert loved the club, came down to Dunedin a few 429 00:24:26,853 --> 00:24:29,693 Speaker 5: times after he had left and would always go along 430 00:24:29,733 --> 00:24:34,533 Speaker 5: to the club and watch Northeast Valley. Fantastic player, lovely man. 431 00:24:34,653 --> 00:24:37,933 Speaker 5: Of course, everyone will know the story of the tang 432 00:24:37,973 --> 00:24:40,693 Speaker 5: Away disaster from South Africa and New Zealand now play 433 00:24:40,333 --> 00:24:44,373 Speaker 5: for the tang away A Trophy and Bert's eighty nine 434 00:24:44,413 --> 00:24:47,893 Speaker 5: out in that match in nineteen fifty three was one 435 00:24:47,893 --> 00:24:50,893 Speaker 5: of the you know, the great boy's own stories. But 436 00:24:51,253 --> 00:24:53,893 Speaker 5: he scored five Test centuries, three of them against India, 437 00:24:53,973 --> 00:24:57,613 Speaker 5: two of them against England. And I think, you know, 438 00:24:57,653 --> 00:25:01,133 Speaker 5: a truly elegant player didn't play in a winning New 439 00:25:01,253 --> 00:25:04,253 Speaker 5: Zealand Test side. You know, that's hard to believe when 440 00:25:04,293 --> 00:25:07,333 Speaker 5: he played forty two tests, highest score of two hundred 441 00:25:07,373 --> 00:25:10,573 Speaker 5: and thirty nine out against India. One of our very 442 00:25:10,613 --> 00:25:13,733 Speaker 5: best players, one of our greats, never had the joy 443 00:25:14,293 --> 00:25:18,013 Speaker 5: of winning a Test match. But yeah, a wonderful man, 444 00:25:18,093 --> 00:25:21,813 Speaker 5: of course, Emphasma godem He worked for Rothmans over the 445 00:25:21,933 --> 00:25:24,533 Speaker 5: years and of course they have supplied him with par 446 00:25:24,573 --> 00:25:28,973 Speaker 5: too much product and unfortunately, at the age of seventy seven, 447 00:25:29,013 --> 00:25:32,933 Speaker 5: Burts have come to emphysema. But a wonderful human being, 448 00:25:32,973 --> 00:25:35,533 Speaker 5: a lovely man, and one of our very best. 449 00:25:35,773 --> 00:25:37,933 Speaker 3: Yeah, well I can't really add too much to that, Garth. 450 00:25:39,933 --> 00:25:43,053 Speaker 3: I really like Bert and I don't know a person 451 00:25:43,053 --> 00:25:45,653 Speaker 3: who didn't like him. Actually, he used to you're talking 452 00:25:45,653 --> 00:25:48,613 Speaker 3: about the product from Rothvens. He always used to bring 453 00:25:48,853 --> 00:25:50,813 Speaker 3: the cigarettes. And at the start of the day and 454 00:25:50,853 --> 00:25:53,853 Speaker 3: all the smokers and the team would suddenly cluster together. 455 00:25:54,853 --> 00:25:57,373 Speaker 3: They ran to that table faster than they chased the 456 00:25:57,373 --> 00:26:00,813 Speaker 3: ball to the boundary, and they would get in there 457 00:26:00,813 --> 00:26:02,973 Speaker 3: and get their packs of twenty and their whole sort 458 00:26:03,013 --> 00:26:04,853 Speaker 3: of things that he had take. But he was such 459 00:26:04,853 --> 00:26:08,133 Speaker 3: a nice fellow, that golden hair that he used to have, 460 00:26:08,533 --> 00:26:13,853 Speaker 3: curly hair, good looking man. And he would just look 461 00:26:13,893 --> 00:26:16,453 Speaker 3: around and he'd smile and say, well, the best of 462 00:26:16,533 --> 00:26:19,413 Speaker 3: luck to you guys today. Wouldn't sit never sit down 463 00:26:19,493 --> 00:26:23,973 Speaker 3: and interrupt anybody, wouldn't, you know, just wish us all well. 464 00:26:24,693 --> 00:26:27,013 Speaker 3: And I had a lot of time for Bert. And 465 00:26:27,093 --> 00:26:30,933 Speaker 3: what a player. You know, there's a difference between cricket 466 00:26:30,973 --> 00:26:36,373 Speaker 3: players and you know, some people like me, I was 467 00:26:36,453 --> 00:26:38,813 Speaker 3: judged by the scoreboard. You could see how I was 468 00:26:38,853 --> 00:26:41,493 Speaker 3: going on the day because of the schoolboard. It was, 469 00:26:41,973 --> 00:26:44,493 Speaker 3: you know, it was collected one run at the time, 470 00:26:45,173 --> 00:26:48,653 Speaker 3: and that's how I was judged by that scoreboard. But 471 00:26:48,693 --> 00:26:51,413 Speaker 3: there are some players who would score sometimes less than me, 472 00:26:51,733 --> 00:26:57,573 Speaker 3: but you would remember their earnings so much more because 473 00:26:57,573 --> 00:27:00,373 Speaker 3: of the way that they had collected those runs, the 474 00:27:00,413 --> 00:27:04,693 Speaker 3: strokes that they had played burned on your memory. Now, 475 00:27:04,733 --> 00:27:11,293 Speaker 3: Bert was one of those. Off driving was absolutely fantastic 476 00:27:11,373 --> 00:27:14,013 Speaker 3: to watch, you know, there's it should have been worth 477 00:27:14,053 --> 00:27:18,053 Speaker 3: eight every time, you know, rather than a sort of 478 00:27:18,053 --> 00:27:20,573 Speaker 3: a fine edge from Coney through the slips for four. 479 00:27:21,053 --> 00:27:24,933 Speaker 3: There's nothing, you know, it's there are some of those player. 480 00:27:25,013 --> 00:27:28,813 Speaker 3: That's why Crow is remembered for those sorts of those 481 00:27:28,893 --> 00:27:33,013 Speaker 3: lovely balanced sort of positions he took and the way 482 00:27:33,093 --> 00:27:36,453 Speaker 3: that the ball raced off the bat without any seeming 483 00:27:37,173 --> 00:27:40,093 Speaker 3: you know, power put into the stroke. And Bert was 484 00:27:40,093 --> 00:27:44,013 Speaker 3: one of those. So yeah, wadds I don't, I don't 485 00:27:44,053 --> 00:27:46,333 Speaker 3: really was that the Third Test? Were they playing at 486 00:27:46,373 --> 00:27:50,053 Speaker 3: Manchester Watts? Was that that was the Third Test? Yeah? 487 00:27:50,253 --> 00:27:54,013 Speaker 2: That's interesting. Yeah, three days Test matches they played in 488 00:27:54,053 --> 00:27:56,413 Speaker 2: New Zealand scored three hundred and forty eight for seven 489 00:27:56,453 --> 00:27:59,133 Speaker 2: on the last day, batting for five hours. Now we 490 00:27:59,133 --> 00:28:03,133 Speaker 2: don't know how many balls suckle faced, but that three 491 00:28:03,213 --> 00:28:08,173 Speaker 2: days play they bowled three hundred and sixty six overs 492 00:28:08,733 --> 00:28:11,973 Speaker 2: in that it was a batting game. New Zealand battered twice, 493 00:28:11,933 --> 00:28:14,813 Speaker 2: England about it once. Three hundred and sixty six overs 494 00:28:14,813 --> 00:28:18,773 Speaker 2: in three days. Where have those records gone? Where is 495 00:28:18,853 --> 00:28:24,533 Speaker 2: that gone? Wouldn't we love to have that average forty 496 00:28:24,573 --> 00:28:27,773 Speaker 2: though Gathy mentioned that he never played on a winning side, 497 00:28:27,893 --> 00:28:31,373 Speaker 2: which was tragic. I still haven't been able to find 498 00:28:31,373 --> 00:28:33,733 Speaker 2: out why didn't play against the West Indies and fifty six, 499 00:28:33,733 --> 00:28:36,653 Speaker 2: because he played the first two tests there. He must 500 00:28:36,693 --> 00:28:40,413 Speaker 2: have been injured or unavailable for some reason or another 501 00:28:40,613 --> 00:28:43,253 Speaker 2: on that occasion because he would have been in the 502 00:28:43,293 --> 00:28:46,013 Speaker 2: front row basically of selections. 503 00:28:46,453 --> 00:28:50,293 Speaker 5: Absolutely. Your dad always tells a story about Suckcliffe scoring 504 00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:54,453 Speaker 5: one hundred against England for the MCC and you will 505 00:28:54,453 --> 00:28:56,613 Speaker 5: have heard this when he's playing for a targo and 506 00:28:57,213 --> 00:28:59,053 Speaker 5: Dad went in at number eleven and got a duck, 507 00:28:59,173 --> 00:29:01,973 Speaker 5: the golden duck actually, and the crowd was still applauding. 508 00:29:02,293 --> 00:29:05,493 Speaker 5: Suckliff had been out the player before him and he 509 00:29:05,533 --> 00:29:07,533 Speaker 5: always talked about it being the only person to get 510 00:29:07,573 --> 00:29:09,933 Speaker 5: a golden duck and still being applauded off carols Brook. 511 00:29:11,373 --> 00:29:12,973 Speaker 5: But he was very fond of it. And the thing 512 00:29:12,973 --> 00:29:15,293 Speaker 5: that you've you've touched on both of you, you know, 513 00:29:15,413 --> 00:29:19,173 Speaker 5: but Bert talked to everybody. He was he was a 514 00:29:19,213 --> 00:29:21,293 Speaker 5: wonderful human being. And I remember he came down for 515 00:29:21,333 --> 00:29:24,093 Speaker 5: a funeral in Dunedin and he came out to home 516 00:29:24,213 --> 00:29:27,773 Speaker 5: afterwards and sat down and I was, you know, sort 517 00:29:27,813 --> 00:29:30,253 Speaker 5: of even more naive than I am now. And I 518 00:29:30,293 --> 00:29:33,493 Speaker 5: sat down and asked him about fifty three and the 519 00:29:33,573 --> 00:29:35,973 Speaker 5: Tongue Away disaster and he took me throw it almost 520 00:29:36,013 --> 00:29:38,213 Speaker 5: ball bay ball, you know, and to talk to a 521 00:29:38,253 --> 00:29:40,413 Speaker 5: young fella in that way and so kindly, and he 522 00:29:40,453 --> 00:29:42,333 Speaker 5: said to me, you know, when Bob Blair came out 523 00:29:42,333 --> 00:29:45,373 Speaker 5: to bed, he said, I don't mind saying I had 524 00:29:45,413 --> 00:29:49,253 Speaker 5: a tear in my eye. And you know, it was 525 00:29:49,293 --> 00:29:52,533 Speaker 5: a lovely expression of a New Zealand, of a proud 526 00:29:52,573 --> 00:29:55,933 Speaker 5: New Zealand male who you know, was was happy to 527 00:29:55,933 --> 00:29:57,893 Speaker 5: say that he had tears in his eyes when Bob 528 00:29:57,973 --> 00:29:59,733 Speaker 5: came out. And I think the whole ground had tears 529 00:29:59,733 --> 00:30:00,133 Speaker 5: in their. 530 00:29:59,973 --> 00:30:05,893 Speaker 3: Eyes as well. He absolutely was. He was right around 531 00:30:05,893 --> 00:30:09,053 Speaker 3: his head, yeah, yeah. And and they went off at 532 00:30:09,133 --> 00:30:11,213 Speaker 3: nine down, of course, because that was the day of 533 00:30:11,253 --> 00:30:14,813 Speaker 3: the Tanguwaire disaster, wasn't it. And the manager had gone 534 00:30:14,813 --> 00:30:17,413 Speaker 3: and to tell Bob, everyone thought he was back at 535 00:30:17,413 --> 00:30:20,733 Speaker 3: the motel. None of his teammates knew. And suddenly, if 536 00:30:20,813 --> 00:30:23,933 Speaker 3: you at Ellis Park you come up from under the ground. 537 00:30:24,413 --> 00:30:27,133 Speaker 3: And so in fact, as they were all walking off 538 00:30:27,333 --> 00:30:31,533 Speaker 3: at nine down. Suddenly Bob sort of came up almost 539 00:30:32,053 --> 00:30:37,853 Speaker 3: out of the ground itself underneath and appeared. And Bert 540 00:30:37,853 --> 00:30:40,813 Speaker 3: told me about that in that interview and said he 541 00:30:40,853 --> 00:30:43,013 Speaker 3: went over and put his arm around and said, what 542 00:30:43,133 --> 00:30:46,933 Speaker 3: did you do that for you? And that is so 543 00:30:46,933 --> 00:30:50,013 Speaker 3: so Bert, what did you do that for Bob? And 544 00:30:50,053 --> 00:30:53,253 Speaker 3: then they went out, of course, and that's when Bob Bob. 545 00:30:53,453 --> 00:30:55,853 Speaker 3: And then he said, you could have heard a pin 546 00:30:55,973 --> 00:31:01,093 Speaker 3: drop at the ground. When Bob Blair faced his first 547 00:31:01,133 --> 00:31:03,773 Speaker 3: ball at then Huey Tayfield, they hit him for six. 548 00:31:03,853 --> 00:31:06,773 Speaker 3: Bob hit him for six, Bob Blair and then of 549 00:31:06,813 --> 00:31:11,893 Speaker 3: course Bert cut loose, and then then Bob lad was stumped, 550 00:31:11,933 --> 00:31:14,653 Speaker 3: wasn't he? And so they walked off together. They didn't 551 00:31:14,693 --> 00:31:16,693 Speaker 3: go out and field, they both of them. They sat 552 00:31:16,733 --> 00:31:19,973 Speaker 3: on chairs in the shower, in the shower and they 553 00:31:20,053 --> 00:31:26,173 Speaker 3: just drank whiskies. And so that's how Bob sorry, that's 554 00:31:26,213 --> 00:31:27,773 Speaker 3: how Bert finished the stories. 555 00:31:28,293 --> 00:31:31,453 Speaker 2: That should have been my approach back. Perhaps I should 556 00:31:31,453 --> 00:31:33,693 Speaker 2: have drunk a few whiskies. I might have played cricket 557 00:31:33,773 --> 00:31:35,973 Speaker 2: a little better. I don't know whether that's the case. 558 00:31:36,213 --> 00:31:39,653 Speaker 2: Lovely memories, though, of a wonderful man Bert Suckliffe, and 559 00:31:39,693 --> 00:31:42,413 Speaker 2: we could go on talking about some of the things 560 00:31:42,413 --> 00:31:44,293 Speaker 2: he achieved on the cricket field, and a lot of 561 00:31:44,333 --> 00:31:47,013 Speaker 2: other cricklers. Of course, one of the great things about 562 00:31:47,093 --> 00:31:50,133 Speaker 2: crickelers there are those memories around and we can thrive 563 00:31:50,693 --> 00:31:54,493 Speaker 2: and live on many of those memories. But one of 564 00:31:54,573 --> 00:31:57,213 Speaker 2: the memories we're going to have to wait for is 565 00:31:57,253 --> 00:31:59,573 Speaker 2: the memory of the New Zealand cricket team to go 566 00:31:59,733 --> 00:32:05,413 Speaker 2: and play Afghanistan in Greater Neider, Jerry. It's been confirmed 567 00:32:05,453 --> 00:32:10,093 Speaker 2: that Greater Neider is the venue, so we don't have 568 00:32:10,173 --> 00:32:12,333 Speaker 2: that side for a while. But I'm sure they will 569 00:32:12,373 --> 00:32:15,653 Speaker 2: get a team picked and hopefully they all have contracts 570 00:32:15,693 --> 00:32:18,333 Speaker 2: by the time they head off to great Annoiter. 571 00:32:19,773 --> 00:32:23,813 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, who knows what? Who knows? Look, I don't know. 572 00:32:23,893 --> 00:32:27,973 Speaker 3: Williamson declared, you know, declined his contract on the nineteenth 573 00:32:28,013 --> 00:32:30,093 Speaker 3: of June. I looked that up today, So that's seven 574 00:32:30,133 --> 00:32:34,893 Speaker 3: weeks ago. Don't tell me the other players weren't talking 575 00:32:34,933 --> 00:32:39,413 Speaker 3: about contracts as well at that time, because they will it, 576 00:32:40,133 --> 00:32:43,413 Speaker 3: you know, on the tenth of July. We're now in August, 577 00:32:43,453 --> 00:32:46,613 Speaker 3: aren't we Nearly the tenth That's when it was announced 578 00:32:46,613 --> 00:32:48,893 Speaker 3: that Ravendra and sea Is and O'Rourke and Duffy, they're 579 00:32:48,933 --> 00:32:51,773 Speaker 3: all offered it. You know, that's a month ago. Is 580 00:32:51,813 --> 00:32:54,013 Speaker 3: that long enough to think an offer over? 581 00:32:54,333 --> 00:32:56,853 Speaker 2: Well? I should think so. Sometimes in near future New 582 00:32:56,933 --> 00:32:59,813 Speaker 2: Zealand Cricket may make an announcement about the contracts and 583 00:32:59,853 --> 00:33:04,093 Speaker 2: the team they've selected to play against Afghanistan. It's a 584 00:33:04,093 --> 00:33:07,573 Speaker 2: month away. Travel documents, I guess will be needed. Well. 585 00:33:07,693 --> 00:33:10,373 Speaker 2: Test champion Ship back this week in the Caribbean and 586 00:33:10,573 --> 00:33:13,653 Speaker 2: of course the England Sri Lanka Test. Thanks again to 587 00:33:13,853 --> 00:33:16,373 Speaker 2: you got away for joining us and Jerry a bit 588 00:33:16,373 --> 00:33:19,293 Speaker 2: of time to sit and enjoy the Olympics and celebrate 589 00:33:19,293 --> 00:33:20,053 Speaker 2: the medals. 590 00:33:20,493 --> 00:33:25,573 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, what I do like that guy from Alexandra 591 00:33:25,653 --> 00:33:31,053 Speaker 3: who plunges into that roaring water and that's it's kind 592 00:33:31,053 --> 00:33:33,933 Speaker 3: of like a super smash down, you know, in the water, 593 00:33:34,053 --> 00:33:36,653 Speaker 3: isn't it? Going through gates and hitting each other and 594 00:33:37,213 --> 00:33:41,173 Speaker 3: that's extraordinary the whole thing. Anyway, I don't think I 595 00:33:41,213 --> 00:33:42,853 Speaker 3: should have done that. Would you have? Would you have 596 00:33:42,933 --> 00:33:44,373 Speaker 3: done it? No? 597 00:33:44,573 --> 00:33:47,333 Speaker 2: It's a sort of knock him down as they come 598 00:33:47,373 --> 00:33:51,853 Speaker 2: out in front of you, and the strongest man wins. 599 00:33:52,813 --> 00:33:56,893 Speaker 3: It's right, it's exactly what it is anyway. Yeah, tests 600 00:33:56,933 --> 00:34:01,613 Speaker 3: around the corner, tests around the corner, and you know 601 00:34:01,773 --> 00:34:05,133 Speaker 3: that's great. I hope we get a chance to talk 602 00:34:05,173 --> 00:34:07,253 Speaker 3: about the forty nine tour and a little bit more 603 00:34:07,293 --> 00:34:10,053 Speaker 3: depth sometimes because it's not a tour that I think 604 00:34:10,093 --> 00:34:13,533 Speaker 3: some of our listeners would know heaps about. And there 605 00:34:13,573 --> 00:34:16,573 Speaker 3: was lots happening, some fantastic games there they had. 606 00:34:17,133 --> 00:34:19,413 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was the starting It was the starting 607 00:34:19,493 --> 00:34:22,813 Speaker 2: point for well, pretty much the modern game, wasn't it 608 00:34:22,853 --> 00:34:26,333 Speaker 2: That everything sort of went back to what happened in 609 00:34:26,413 --> 00:34:28,933 Speaker 2: forty nine. Yes, we had some tough years where we 610 00:34:28,933 --> 00:34:31,773 Speaker 2: didn't develop the players through fifty eight and that period 611 00:34:31,813 --> 00:34:36,413 Speaker 2: of time, but it was the basic starting point for 612 00:34:36,693 --> 00:34:39,413 Speaker 2: our modern game. So yeah, there's a lot of good 613 00:34:39,413 --> 00:34:42,453 Speaker 2: stories come out of there because you know, there's some 614 00:34:43,053 --> 00:34:47,533 Speaker 2: wonderful characters and so yeah, they've passed away. 615 00:34:47,773 --> 00:34:51,253 Speaker 3: Yes they have, and I must pass on once myself 616 00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:57,413 Speaker 3: because I've been to go and get some something to eat. 617 00:34:54,173 --> 00:34:57,813 Speaker 2: And much a bit of the Olympics, you know, the 618 00:34:58,133 --> 00:35:00,973 Speaker 2: beach volleyball, which is one of your favorites, or the. 619 00:35:00,733 --> 00:35:06,613 Speaker 3: Knowall and throwing boulders, throwing boulders to each other. Yeah, 620 00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:12,093 Speaker 3: got a lot of funds this. If I can't get 621 00:35:12,213 --> 00:35:15,533 Speaker 3: your little bit around you on your bed, here's me. Yeah. 622 00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:20,933 Speaker 5: Cheers my Tho for the wages of summacing. 623 00:35:21,653 --> 00:35:29,013 Speaker 1: Do for more from News Talks at b Listen live 624 00:35:29,213 --> 00:35:31,893 Speaker 1: on air or online, and keep our shows with you 625 00:35:32,013 --> 00:35:34,973 Speaker 1: wherever you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.