1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,360 Speaker 1: The issues, the interviews and the insight. Andrew Dickens on 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: early leadership with r V Supercenter, explore r V successories 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: and servicing all in one news talk sat'd. 4 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,440 Speaker 2: Be well, good morning to you, Welcome into your Tuesday. 5 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: I'm Andrew Dickens coming up over the next sixty minutes. 6 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 2: It was a landmark decision that will affect the gig economy. 7 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 2: We're going to talk to the uber driver who took 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: on the company and one. He's next. We've hit phase 9 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: three of the process to take police out of mental 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: health responses. 11 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 3: Where are we at? 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in ten Australian schools join Kiwi 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: schools in closing down over asbestosphears. We'll go to Australia 14 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 2: and what are the changes to the rules over importing cars? 15 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: Will it make for a cheaper drive? We'll have that 16 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 2: just before six o'clock. We're going to have correspondence from 17 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 2: right around New Zealand and around the world of news 18 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: as it breaks and you can have your say by 19 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 2: sending me a text at The number is ninety two 20 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: ninety two and its small charge applies and it's seven 21 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: after five. The agenda it's Tuesday, the eighteenth of November 22 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: to Bangladesh and their former Prime minister. Sheikh Hasina has 23 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 2: been sentenced to death in absentia over the last year's 24 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: deadly student protests where fourteen hundred people were killed. She 25 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 2: denies the charges, calling the trial political. 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 4: For protesters here, the death penalty is not enough. They 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,919 Speaker 4: want more, even if that means marching towards the abandoned 28 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 4: family home of Sheikh Hasina's father, Sheek Mujibur Rahman and 29 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 4: demolishing it. They want to remove any remaining signs of 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 4: that family. That's the kind of public anger among many 31 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 4: over here. 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: To the United Kingdom and the government there has announced 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: a big asylum shakeup. It's pushing faster deportations. Even approved 34 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: asylum seekers could be sent home if their country becomes safe, 35 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: and three African nations are on notice help with the 36 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: removals or say goodbye to UK visas. 37 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 5: I think this is a small step in the right 38 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 5: place direction. 39 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 2: We're going to need. 40 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 6: A whole series of actions. 41 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 7: You know, our borders plan is very very comprehensive. 42 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:08,560 Speaker 3: We just want to. 43 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 7: Fan all asylum claims completely. We need to be out 44 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 7: of the ECHR, out of the ECAP need. 45 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: A removal spurce. 46 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,240 Speaker 2: What we have at the moment isn't going to do that. 47 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: And finally to the United States of America, where Donald 48 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 2: Trump has done a u turn on his position on 49 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 2: the Epstein files. He's now urged lawmakers in his own 50 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: party to vote in favor of releasing the files because, 51 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 2: as he says, he's got nothing to hide. 52 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 5: This is truly a manufacturer hoped by the Democrat Party. 53 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 5: For now, they're talking about it all of a sudden, 54 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 5: because President Trump is in the overlack. 55 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,799 Speaker 2: They're using Jeffrey Epstein as a deflection from the tremendous 56 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: success that we're having as a party. It's nine after five. 57 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 3: Get ahead of the headlines on early edition with Andrew 58 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 3: Dickens and. 59 00:02:55,880 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: Our the Supercenter, explore our these accessories and servicing one 60 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: News talks. 61 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 2: It'd be Oh, when times are tough, blame the government. 62 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: That's the truest thing in politics. If you're in charge 63 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 2: of the books, as the economy tanks, then people are 64 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: going to take the chance to spit in your face, 65 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: which we can see happening right now with polls suggesting 66 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: that the National Led Coalition is useless at managing the economy. 67 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 2: And even more surprisingly, the same poll says the previous 68 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: lot who did their part in tanking the economy, it's 69 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,360 Speaker 2: trusted more so, of course, the left is smiling because 70 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: they feel the ground is moving their way. They see 71 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: that a capital gains tax doesn't cause widespread revulsion, and 72 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: so they're starting to reckon that in a year they 73 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 2: just might be back in the driving seat. But of 74 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: course that would be very naive. Think about Australia. In Australia, 75 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 2: before the last election, Peter Dutton and the Coalition were 76 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: polling just great for two years before that election, and 77 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: they entered the campaign assuming they were the favorite and 78 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 2: Labor was vulnerable. That led to complacency, that led to 79 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 2: late policy announcements that left voters unconvinced about the party's 80 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 2: readiness to govern. And so what happened, Even though Peter 81 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: Dutton was the favorite, Albernizi swept home. So this next 82 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 2: election is not necessarily swinging Labour's way and assuming National 83 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 2: as a dead duck would be foolish. The election has 84 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: to happen before December next year, and things can change 85 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: immensely in that year's time. In fact, I reckon the 86 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: real possibility exists that no one votes for anyone because 87 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: on the performance of the past two regimes. 88 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 3: Who would Ryan Bridge. 89 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: Andrew Dickins in fact, and thank you now, big decision, 90 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: and it took a long time to come through, four 91 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: years to come through. But the Uber drivers won the 92 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: right to call their job a real job, which means 93 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 2: they get all the rights that real jobs have. So 94 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 2: what does this mean. It's got big implications for the 95 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 2: gig economy for everybody who works in this way. Now, 96 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 2: one of the drivers who actually took Uber to court 97 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,559 Speaker 2: is also a Wellington City councilor and he joins me next. 98 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 2: His name is Neurdadena abdu Ahmen. And this is early 99 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: edition on Newstalk. 100 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: ZBB Views and Views you Trust to start your day. 101 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: It's early EDISHIP with Adre Dickins and r V Supercenter 102 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: explore r VS accessor Results, Servicing, Fall and One News 103 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: Talks at B It's. 104 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 2: Fourteen out to five. Uber has run out of road 105 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: when it comes to appealing their driver's rights. A group 106 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 2: of four drivers has taken their dispute with the global 107 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 2: company to the Supreme Court and one the court recognized 108 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: that drivers are employees and should be given the same rights, 109 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 2: and that potentially means things like guaranteed minimum wage, sick 110 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 2: leave and annual leave. Two it was a five mil decision. 111 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 2: Nurdadena abdur Rahman is a driver who took Uber to 112 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 2: court and is also the Wellington City councilor and joins 113 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: me now Nurdaden, good morning. 114 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 8: To you, Good morning Andrew. 115 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 2: It's been a long four year fight for you through 116 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: three courts and in every court it's been in your favor. 117 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 2: This must be a very satisfying result. 118 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 8: Yes, it's a very long fight, but it's I'm very 119 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 8: pleased and yeah it's I'm beyond proud of all the 120 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,559 Speaker 8: three other drivers. And it's a union and first union 121 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 8: for the hard work. 122 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 2: So once you read on the final reading, what will 123 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 2: it mean? 124 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,920 Speaker 8: Well, it means basically drivers are like any other employees. 125 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 8: They would have equal rights and they were, they were 126 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 8: to have human rights, and the fight was about employment 127 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 8: right as much as it was a human right. 128 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,159 Speaker 2: But what are the ramifications? I mean, will Uber prices 129 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,640 Speaker 2: suddenly sky rocket? What is the meaning for the wider 130 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 2: gig economy which has a reason for existing? 131 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 8: Well, I don't, I don't believe so I think Uber 132 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 8: and the last year they make about four hundred million 133 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 8: dollars and then how much they paid in tax i. 134 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 8: Think those are the kind of things they need to 135 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 8: do openly with the community, and it's not going to 136 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 8: be much increase for the for those who use Uber. 137 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 8: I think it's about fairness. 138 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 2: Will this have an international impact on the gig economy model? 139 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 8: Well, I think it should and it will. What it 140 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 8: means it's in a positive way. And look, drivers are 141 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 8: in this case, they're saying they know what it is 142 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 8: good for them, and instead of Uber telling them why 143 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 8: it's good for drivers and the drivers they say they 144 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 8: want to have sickly, they want to have a minimum wage, 145 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 8: and they want to have most importantly, a decent way 146 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 8: of dealing when they get dismissed for reason, they believe 147 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 8: it's not the right one. And I think this is 148 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 8: a very simple question to ask. 149 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: Well, many have said, if you want these better benefits, 150 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: these better wages, and you want to drive a taxi, 151 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 2: then dry dry, you know, join a taxi company. What 152 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: do you say to that. 153 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 8: Well, I think I myself I used to drive taxi 154 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 8: before I joined Uber. But that's the whole system was 155 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 8: check injur doing Uber joined the business and the business 156 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 8: model has changed since then in a big way, and 157 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 8: no one wants to be driving Uber until driving Uber 158 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 8: becomes like kind of the only way to survive. And 159 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 8: if you ask me, I wouldn't be driving Uba. I've 160 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 8: had just still got an opportunity to do better than taxi. 161 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: But I've heard there's currently too many drivers, not enough rides. 162 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: So there's more than enough people who still want to 163 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: work under the Uber model. 164 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 8: Well, look the system we currently have. There are so 165 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 8: many drivers who what There are so many people who 166 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 8: are looking for work and they need a job. And 167 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 8: then Uber is using the human resource that we have 168 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 8: to exploit for their own benefit. And that is why 169 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 8: we need a loan in this country. The load that 170 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 8: just says no, it doesn't matter how many people are 171 00:08:56,400 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 8: out there looking for a job. They deserve right like 172 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 8: everyone else. And that is why the Supreme Court agree 173 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 8: was the drivers in the scars. 174 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,000 Speaker 2: Well, congratulations new Adena and thank you so much for 175 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 2: joining us new abdul Ahman, the Uber driver who took 176 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 2: Uber to court, also a Wellington City councilor as well. 177 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: Of course, Brook van Velden is the Employment Minister and 178 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: she hasn't read the judgment, but she respects the ruling 179 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 2: of the court, and she says the case highlights the 180 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: existing gray area in employment and contract law that the 181 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 2: Employment Relations Amendment Bill aims to address, which she says, 182 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: will clarify the boundary between being an employee or a 183 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 2: contractor and cract more certainty for parties to a working arrangement. 184 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 2: And that's currently before solect Committee and Brook van Velden 185 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: will be joining Mike Hoskin after six o'clock this morning. Meanwhile, 186 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 2: I've had a text from Zane, and Zane says, I'm 187 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: a part time gig worker and I disagree with the 188 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: Supreme Court ruling. It completely misses the point. The freedom 189 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: to work when I want is the whole reason gig 190 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,560 Speaker 2: work exists. These four drivers might have meant well, but 191 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: they have now put that free and the whole gig 192 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 2: economy at risk for the rest of us. Gig work 193 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 2: works because it's flexible. Don't break what is not broken. 194 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: And I have personal experience here. My son is trying 195 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 2: to make a life of Melbourne right now and he's 196 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: been doing a little bit of Uber Eats delivery on 197 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: his bicycle and every now and then when he's sort 198 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 2: of a bit of a bit of cash, he goes 199 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: out and does two hours of delivery, gets himself fifty 200 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: bucks and he says, it's not a real job, it's 201 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 2: a bit of fast, flexible money and that's the point 202 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 2: of it. So yeah, we'll see where we go with 203 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 2: all of this. What do you think you can text me? 204 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: Ninety two? Ninety two is the number to text now. 205 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 2: It is nineteen minutes after five. And the police, of 206 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,199 Speaker 2: course is slowly withdrawing from responding to mental health emergencies. 207 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 2: They're into phase three. What does this mean? We'll talk 208 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:46,439 Speaker 2: to the police next. 209 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: Andrew Dickens on early edition with r V Supercenter explore 210 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: r V successories and servicing all in one news Talks b. 211 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 2: By twenty one. So Police and Health New Zealand are 212 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: pressing ahead with Phase three of their mental health response changes, 213 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: shifting more responsibility onto health teams and away from police. 214 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: And it means that police will no longer be involved 215 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: in mental health callouts eventually unless there is an immediate 216 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: safety risk. So I'm joined now by Steve Watt, who 217 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 2: is the Police Association Present GADATA. 218 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 9: Steve Marina. 219 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: Is this whole scheme working the slow withdrawal. 220 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 9: Look, it absolutely is, and it's a good news story 221 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 9: for not only our members, but members of the public 222 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 9: and also those that are suffering from mental health issues 223 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 9: about getting the response that they need, which is mental 224 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 9: health clinicians. And that's alleviating the pressure put being put 225 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 9: on place so we can spend more time out there 226 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 9: doing what we do best. 227 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: The fear is that we're going to end out with 228 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 2: some people being left behind. 229 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 9: Are they No, not at all, And that's why this 230 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 9: has been a phased approach to allow Health New Zealand 231 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 9: to head the services available so that as we slowly 232 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 9: withdraw from the mental health arena, the services are in 233 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 9: place so that no one's getting left behind. 234 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 2: Our officers relieved at the changes. 235 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 9: Oh absolutely. You know, it frees up roughly half a 236 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 9: million police hours each year that we're spent responding to 237 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,679 Speaker 9: mental health call outs, So that's time that can be 238 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 9: better spent elsewhere within the community doing what we do best. 239 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 2: So what happens the first time someone harms himself and 240 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: police weren't there to respond, Do you think that responsibility 241 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 2: should rely on the police? 242 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 8: No? 243 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 9: Look, we'll always turn up to those jobs where life 244 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 9: is in danger or being threatened, So there's no you know, 245 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 9: there's a reduced risk that we are still there to 246 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 9: respond to those jobs that require us, all right. 247 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,479 Speaker 2: And police are now not automatically involved in missing persons 248 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 2: from mental health facilities. So does that pose a risk 249 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 2: to the community. 250 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 9: No, not at all. Look, and it's not actually withdrawing 251 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 9: from that. There's still a process in place where those 252 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 9: missing persons from mental health can be reported to us 253 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 9: will make an assessment as to whether our services are 254 00:13:10,800 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 9: required or not, So there is still the ability there 255 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 9: to have police respond in those circumstances. 256 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: All right, Well, Steve, carry on with the good work, 257 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 2: and I thank you for your time today. Steve. What 258 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: is the Association? The Police Association President? And this is 259 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: News Talks B and it's five twenty four and more 260 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 2: texts coming in on the Uber scenario, Andrew, I'm an 261 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 2: Uber driver and I disagree with the ruling. I'm wondering 262 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: if the Wellington City councilor that spoke to you realizes 263 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 2: that under the employee model, most drivers will lose the 264 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 2: ability to work for them, plus most or all of 265 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: the flexibility will be lost, which is the critical part 266 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 2: of the gig economy model. What do you think? Ninety 267 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: two ninety two is the text. It is five twenty four. 268 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: The early edition full the show podcast on iHeartRadio Power 269 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: It by News Talks at B News. 270 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: Talks BI twenty six Andred Dickinson for Ryan Bridge. So 271 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 2: the latest plan to fix central Wellington traffic has been 272 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: released for consultation and it's a big old monster of 273 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 2: a thing. There's a couple of tunnels, a new one 274 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 2: at the Terrace end of the motorway and another new 275 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: tunnel through Mount Victoria Land and houses will be taken 276 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 2: out of the town belt at Mount Victoria and parkland 277 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: will be taken at the Terrace. There will be a 278 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 2: major redesign of the Basin Reserve roundabout and a bridge 279 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: maybe near the airport. And the price tag three billion dollars, 280 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: ironically the same sort of cost for two ports and 281 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 2: two ferries to cross Cork Strait that was thought to 282 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 2: be wildly expensive at the time. So the immediate reaction 283 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: to this plan is that it's wildly expensive, which it 284 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 2: is wildly expensive and totally predictable. The Rongatai Airport, Wellington's 285 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: airport was opened to nineteen fifty nine and from day 286 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 2: one to get to it you would dependent on the 287 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 2: Mount vic Tunnel, which opened in nineteen thirty one two 288 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: lanes and that's it. It should have been expanded when 289 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 2: they build the airport. The Mountvick Tunnel is Wellington's Auckland 290 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: harbor Bridge moment, a piece of insufficient infrastructure that has 291 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: only got worse. And you could argue the same thing 292 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 2: about the Terrace Tunnel that was built ending abruptly in 293 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 2: a tiny urban streets designed before the rides of the automobile. 294 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 2: And meanwhile, of course some of Mount Vick's funky houses 295 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 2: are going to be destroyed and that will get right 296 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: up the nose of the inner city residents, the ones 297 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: who don't have to drive far at all. So anyway, 298 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: console consultation is open now and what am I expecting. 299 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: I'm expecting it to be rancorous because it's expensive and 300 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: houses are being disappeared. But you know, it's the bed 301 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: Wellington chose to lie in when building an inner city 302 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: airport and not making the hard cause earlier. And that 303 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 2: also means strife for the good people of Candala who 304 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 2: are complaining about the plane noise over their suburb. After 305 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: the flight paths changed in twenty twenty two, of course 306 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,480 Speaker 2: they would prefer the flights when over Newlands where they 307 00:15:57,560 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: used to go. Well, the people of Newlands are loving 308 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 2: the change fight path. But as soon as you put 309 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 2: your airport at wrong attide, this was bound to happen. 310 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: So on all of this, you can't really complain about 311 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 2: the bill that you've inherited from your forebears who lacked foresight. 312 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 3: News Talk said, be. 313 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 2: So we're talking to the guys from the Uber who 314 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: took the company to court, and now I'm just getting 315 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: reaction after reaction from Uber drivers who are in this 316 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: gig economy. Matt writes, I'm a part time Uber driver. 317 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 2: This court decision is wrong. Many Uber drivers are on 318 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: multiple platforms, Uber Bolt, and some even double as taxi 319 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 2: company drivers and own their own retail businesses like dairies 320 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 2: and such. So, for instance, Abdu Rahman, the fellow we 321 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: talked to, he's also a Wellington City councilor. The thing 322 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: is that he's asking if they have a sick day, 323 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: which company pays and what about the flexibility this allows? 324 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: And another one, Henry says, you'll call one of the 325 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 2: rights of an employee of a taxi company, but working 326 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 2: for a taxi company was less lucrative them working for Uber. 327 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: I don't get the logic of them destroying the Uber 328 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: model to make it more like the taxi model, bringing 329 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 2: everybody down to the same level. So a lot of 330 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:11,200 Speaker 2: the Uber drivers are not thankful for this action. We'll 331 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 2: have more on this with Book van Velden, who's joining 332 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 2: Mike Hosking after six o'clock this morning. Australia has the 333 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 2: asbestos problem as well. We'll go to Australia shortly and 334 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 2: before six. What about these new rules about clin car standards? 335 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: Will it be in a cheaper car? This is early edition. 336 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 2: It's US talks HEB. 337 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: The news you need this morning and the in depth 338 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: analysis earlier edition with Andrew Dickens and r V Supercenter 339 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,360 Speaker 1: explore r VS accessories and servicing. 340 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: Fall in one used TALKSB. 341 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: Why did you welcome to your Tuesday morning the eighteenth 342 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: of November. Want to do a congratulations of course to 343 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 2: Andrew Oldison who, in talking about cricket and voodoo and 344 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,679 Speaker 2: the Congo, played a little bit of Jimmy Hendricks and 345 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: Voodoo Child that's art. That really is got some funky 346 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 2: stories for you from around New Zealand. Russell or wrong 347 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 2: Obey Holiday Park as removing all televisions from its accommodation, 348 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: encouraging visitors to get outside and back into nature. They're 349 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 2: going to be one of the first holiday parks in 350 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 2: New Zealand to go completely TV TV free, TV three 351 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: but TV free. What do you think about this? I mean, 352 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 2: is this a little bit overbearing by the holiday park 353 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 2: and by the manager. He apparently just hates seeing kids 354 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 2: on screen, so then decided write no screens at my park. 355 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 2: He's a very jovial chap and he's on with Mike 356 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 2: after six and sew in. District Councilors set to trial 357 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 2: a new rubber road surface in January in New Zealand. 358 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 2: First it'll be on State Highway seventy seven's Glen Tunnel. 359 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 2: They use recycled rubber annuals now. I think this is 360 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 2: probably a good thing. When you see all the tire 361 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 2: mountains that farmers store on their land, you have to 362 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 2: say this is a good thing that the tires can 363 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 2: actually be recycled into something new and something good. I'm 364 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 2: not sure though, if the farmers were making some money 365 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,239 Speaker 2: out of that, will agree, But that story also with 366 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: Mike after six and of course big changes are coming 367 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 2: to New Zealand's clean car standard. The current penalties and 368 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 2: targets have been putting pressure on supply and pushed up 369 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 2: costs for consumers. How much the clean car standard has 370 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 2: been linked to a twenty five percent drop in vehicle 371 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: imports and a thirty percent rise and use car prices, 372 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: making popular family vehicles almost unsellable. But here's the question. 373 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: Are they just wanting to keep on selling old polluting 374 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 2: models on kiwis claiming that they're looking after the consumer? 375 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: Is the government wanting us to have a cheap fleet 376 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: and not a good fleet? We'll look at this story 377 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: just before six right here on early edition. That's twenty one. 378 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 3: To six news Talk Sibby time to go. 379 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 2: Right around the nation to Duaneeda and Otaga, We go 380 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 2: Cadam Proact to good morning to you morning Andrew. So 381 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 2: as Southern students done some research and been rewarded for it. 382 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, this is quite remarkable for a year twelve South 383 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,960 Speaker 5: and Girls High School student who names Sophie Inison, she's 384 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 5: been awarded the fifty thousand dollars Student Endeavor Award by 385 00:20:17,560 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 5: Prime Minister Chris Luxon and Space Minister Judith Collins for 386 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 5: her work. Sophie's project focuses on how wounds heal and space. 387 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 5: She's designed ways to prevent infection within the context of microgravity, 388 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 5: low pressure, antibiotic resistant bacteria and lunar dust. All this 389 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 5: in year twelve. The Prime Minister says, the prize highlights 390 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 5: the extraordinary talent driving the space industry. 391 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 2: Excellent stuff. How's your weather? 392 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 5: Occasional rain here today with a strong nor'easter we get 393 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 5: to twenty four today. 394 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 2: And I thank you Chris Sherwoo from christ Churche Good morning, 395 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: Good morning, christ Church gets IQA first we. 396 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 10: Do well, at least a sneak peak of it. Anyway, 397 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 10: The Scandinavian furniture brand is hosting some pop umps, first 398 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 10: here in christ Church, but then another one in a 399 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 10: week or so in Wellington so the public can explore 400 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 10: a collection of IKEA's most popular products ahead of the 401 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 10: official opening of the Auckland store in two weeks time. 402 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 10: Ike ahead of marketing for Australia and New Zealand. Kirsten 403 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 10: Hasler says there'll be around twenty of IKEA's most popular 404 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 10: products on display, as well as their new Zealand pricing. 405 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 10: She says they have been humbled by the excitement of 406 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 10: Kiwi's looking forward to the launch. There are no plans 407 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 10: for a store down here permanently at this point, and 408 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 10: nothing can be purchased today from the pop up, but 409 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 10: they do say these will be the items available to 410 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 10: buy online and from the Auckland store. 411 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 2: This store opens in two weeks time. And look, it's 412 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 2: causing chaos. It's just a furniture store and some meat balls. 413 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 2: But anyway, how's your weather? 414 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 10: High cloud northerly strong this afternoon at a hive twenty 415 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 10: six and. 416 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 2: I thank you. Max Told from Wellington, good morning to you. 417 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 9: Good morning. 418 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 2: I've already spoken a little bit about it, but you're 419 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: back into another State Highway one debate. 420 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 7: You said three billion dollars earlier. I think it's going 421 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 7: to cost probably closer to four billion, if not more. 422 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 7: It's obviously going to be a mammoth task of building 423 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,439 Speaker 7: this thing. And just to paint a more exact picture, 424 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 7: both new tunnels are essentially going into the existing ones, 425 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 7: so the terrace tunnels would be two lanes northbound, two 426 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 7: lanes southbound. You're essentially dividing the traffic. And then it's 427 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 7: the same logic for the tunnel out toward the Peninsula 428 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 7: and the airport at Mount Victoria. Two lanes out, two 429 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 7: lanes in. You're gonna have a lot of traffic going 430 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,400 Speaker 7: both ways around a basin reserve. Now both ways. It's 431 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 7: one way at the moment, three lanes along Vivian Street 432 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 7: through the city, which connects up straight to State Highway One. 433 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 7: It is in some ways very exciting. The pain, as 434 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 7: you say, will obviously just be getting to that point, 435 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 7: and as you say, it will be very painful for 436 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 7: some time. The new meyor Andrew Little, has spoken on it. 437 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 7: He's cautiously on board. 438 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: He supports it. 439 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 7: But let's talk a little further about what houses would 440 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 7: inevitably have to be knocked down. There's a crash as 441 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 7: well out by the War Memorial that's gone a lot 442 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 7: more traffic on streets not used to traffic. So yeah, 443 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 7: it will be interesting to see what the public feedback 444 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 7: looks like. 445 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 2: Now, absolutely, boy, I hope you guys like road cones, 446 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,960 Speaker 2: because you're going to see an awful lot of them 447 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: for an awfully long time. And I did see some 448 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 2: reaction yesterday something saying how long are we going to 449 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 2: tolerate the basin reserve because. 450 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 7: Well they've gone to look at ground, so hopefully forever. 451 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 2: I know, I know, I'm totally with you on that. 452 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: But at the same time, if you got rid of it, 453 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 2: you could just go straight through there and have your 454 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: problems will be solved. But there we go. How's your weather, Yeah. 455 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,880 Speaker 7: Party cloudy, today's strong Northerlys twenty one and. 456 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 2: To what can we go? And neither ret your MANA 457 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 2: good morning to you your reetings. We've got repairs to 458 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 2: the harbour bridge. 459 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: That's right, we do. 460 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 6: So what's happening? Excuse me? Water Key is going to 461 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 6: start these vital repairs to the water pipes under Auckland's 462 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 6: Harbor Bridge today. Now this will renew supports for about 463 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 6: one point two kilometers of pipe, which provides two thirds 464 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 6: of the North Shaw's water supply, so very very vital, 465 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 6: and it's part of this larger renewal project which is 466 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,480 Speaker 6: going to see about three hundred and fifty million dollars 467 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 6: worth of repairs a year over the next decade. Suzanne 468 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 6: Lucas she is the acting tooth Program delivery officer. She says, quote, 469 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 6: there will be no disruption to water supply or for commuters. 470 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: They're good her words, very good. You have very nice tangerine. 471 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 2: Now polish on someday. 472 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 3: Thank you. 473 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 2: To go in the dark, will never lose you turn 474 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 2: the lights off. We'll know exactly where never is. 475 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 11: That's right. 476 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:19,160 Speaker 2: How's Awkan's weather? 477 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,920 Speaker 6: Rain some heavy falls in the afternoon. Twenty three is 478 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 6: a high here in Auclid. 479 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 2: We're off to Australia in a few moments time. And 480 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 2: they've got the problems with the asbestos as well. And 481 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: every time I've been hearing this asbestos story, I've been going, well, 482 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 2: how the hell did the asbestos get in there? And 483 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: apparently the asbestos found in the colored sand products have 484 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,400 Speaker 2: come from naturally occurring sources and the raw materials used 485 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: to make the sand in China, so it's made in China, 486 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 2: sold in Australia and New Zealand educational colours, Rainbow sand, 487 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 2: creatistics colored sand and candink decorative sand. And the lab 488 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 2: tests found tremolite and chrysotile asbestos in the sand, both 489 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: naturally occurring minerals found in certain rocks and soils, and 490 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 2: so if the sand was produced in China by crushing 491 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 2: rock instead of using beach sand, asbestos could have been 492 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: present in the source. So the reason all our schools 493 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 2: are closed here and in Australia is because of Chinese 494 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: manufacturing standards. Will have more on this in a few 495 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 2: moments time with our correspondent Leslie Yeomans. And this is 496 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 2: early edition. It's sixteen to. 497 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: Six International Correspondence with ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of 498 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: Mind for New Zealand Business third. 499 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 2: Into six to Australia, we go Leslie Yeomans, good morning, 500 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 2: Good morning Andrew. So just like us, you've got schools 501 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 2: closed because of asbestos and sand. 502 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 11: We have this in the Act around Canberra. We've got 503 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 11: more than seventy schools that have been closed because of 504 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 11: this cating sand which is used in sort of arts 505 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 11: and crafts and play and apparently also it's been sold 506 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 11: in a lot of the large retailers like Target and Kmart. 507 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:00,360 Speaker 11: They've done this big recall of the sand and these 508 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 11: seventy two schools across the ACT have been closed down 509 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 11: while further testing is being done. There's also it's also 510 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 11: been found in the Northern Territory and South Australia as well. 511 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,280 Speaker 11: In South Australia, more than one hundred sites have been 512 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 11: identified as using the sand. Northern Territory haven't closed any 513 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 11: schools as yet, but they have closed some classes so 514 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 11: that further testing can be done on this sand. So 515 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 11: it's this asbestos that's been found in it. It's called 516 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 11: it tremolite asbestos and apparently it's found as a natural 517 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 11: sort of asbestos, but we're not really sure exactly how 518 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,199 Speaker 11: bad it can be. They're still doing tests on it. 519 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,040 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, China. Meanwhile, you've got a koala 520 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 2: colony in out back New South Wales which is under threat. 521 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 11: It is they've been doing some koala testing for koala 522 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 11: numbers in central western New South Wales in the and 523 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:06,360 Speaker 11: the researchers have found this really large colony of koalas. 524 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 11: The only trouble is it's in an area where there 525 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 11: is a coal mine that wants to expand, and the 526 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 11: coal mine is wanting to move into an area about 527 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 11: one hundred and or just over one hundred hectares of 528 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 11: where the koalas are now. The operators of the coal 529 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 11: mine say that they're aware of it, and they're more 530 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 11: than happy to relocate koalas if they come into the 531 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 11: area that the coal mine wants to go to. 532 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 5: But the. 533 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 11: Environmental researchers and the wildlife researchers are saying that that's 534 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 11: maybe not the best thing because this new colony has 535 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 11: really surprised them because they haven't sort of done a 536 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 11: lot of workout in central New South Wales as far 537 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 11: as Koala numbers have gone, and they've been really pleasantly 538 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 11: surprised that they've found this huge colony of koalas out there. 539 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 2: Yes, has anyone asked the Koala how long they feel 540 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 2: about being moved? 541 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 5: There? 542 00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 2: We go and I thank you, Leslie yemens all the 543 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,120 Speaker 2: very best. It is now eleven minutes after six. Does 544 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 2: that be all right? The government's having another go at 545 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 2: the clean car standard, saying importers just cannot hit the 546 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 2: current targets. It's moving to slash emission charges, cutting the 547 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three Clean Vehicle standard by nearly eighty percent 548 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: and the change is expected to save around two hundred 549 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 2: and sixty four million dollars in costs to consumers. And 550 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 2: we'll keep our imported cars cheaper, so let's talk to 551 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 2: Greg Epps, who is the Imported Vehicle Association CEO. Good 552 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 2: morning to. 553 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: You, Grego morning. 554 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 12: How are you good? 555 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 9: Matt? 556 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:36,879 Speaker 2: Is this good news for you? 557 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 12: It is. It's really welcome relief. The industry has been 558 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 12: struggling for least the last year and a half under 559 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,040 Speaker 12: these targets. I mean, people might call this backsliding, but 560 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 12: when you've set a target so hard that we can't 561 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 12: even get to it, you know, it's not backsliding. It's 562 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 12: being realistic and coming back to what can we actually 563 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 12: do to be bringing cleaner cars into the country. 564 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: Government says consumers will save two hundred and sixty four million. 565 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 2: So what does that mean for the prices of used cars. 566 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 12: Well, what we've been seeing is that there's a certain 567 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 12: segment of cars, especially it's the family sized vehicles, those 568 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 12: sort of six and seven seaters that have just been 569 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 12: pushed out of the price range of the family, the 570 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 12: normal key we family. You know, they've they've been suffering 571 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 12: from penalties of nearly three thousand dollars on top of 572 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 12: the price of the vehicle. And when you're looking at 573 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 12: things like a hybrid people Mover, which is a really 574 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 12: good car that you want people to get into, you 575 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 12: put another three thousand dollars on top of the price, 576 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 12: and it just gets out of reach. 577 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 2: What I found interesting is exactly that the hybrids, which 578 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: have less emissions than your older cars, we're also getting penalized. 579 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 12: Yeah, and from next year, And the thing is the 580 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 12: penalties that have been cut, the target is still going 581 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 12: to be harder to reach. Next year, it's still it's 582 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 12: still going to go down. So next year, almost all 583 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 12: all hybrids, whether they're new, used, we're going to be penalized. 584 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 12: So we were going to be pushing this technology out 585 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 12: of reach. 586 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: And evs were they penalized too. 587 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 12: No evs, if it's a pure EV it would still 588 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 12: have got a credit. But the problem for us is 589 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 12: that in the used sector, Japan hasn't been making evs, 590 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 12: and so there aren't used evs for us to bring 591 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 12: into the country, and so we weren't able to generate credits. 592 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 12: The policy expected you to be able to generate credits 593 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 12: to offset your penalties. But as the as the government 594 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 12: noted yesterday, well over eighty percent of people of importers 595 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 12: bringing cars and we're just being penalized and being penalized 596 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 12: over one thousand dollars A can't Does. 597 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: This mean that evs are a bus in that Japan 598 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: is not making them? However, China is making thousands. 599 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 12: That's that's the thing I mean. I think what we've 600 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 12: pointed out to the government is that there are really 601 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 12: two markets here. There are new cars, and the new 602 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 12: car manufacturers have got a lot of opportunity to get 603 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 12: out there and find these to say, the Chinese vehicles, 604 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 12: and to push the Japanese manufacturers to head towards evs 605 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 12: as well. But in the used car market, we haven't 606 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 12: had that opportunity. And so you know, we bring affordable 607 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 12: vehicles for Kiwi families and the average Kiwi. We can 608 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 12: bring in class that are cleaner than what we've got here, 609 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 12: and that's how we progress and refresh the fleet and 610 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 12: move it forward. And we can, you know, let's get 611 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 12: as many evs as we can, but we've got to 612 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 12: be realistic about about what the average ki we can afford. 613 00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 2: And what do you say to the people that say, oh, great, 614 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 2: we're going to have cheap cars, but we're also going 615 00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 2: to have dirty cars. 616 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 12: Every used import that comes in at the moment is 617 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 12: better in terms of CO two than the average vehicle 618 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 12: in the sleep. We're talking about replacing twenty year old 619 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 12: vehicles with a ten year old vehicle that is cleaner. 620 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 12: So we're not we're not bringing dirtier cars, and we're 621 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 12: not bringing dirty cars, and we're actually trying to shift 622 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 12: four million cars and change the composition of that fleet. 623 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 12: So no, we're working to bring that carbon level down, 624 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 12: but it does take time. 625 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 2: Greg, thank you so much for your time this morning. 626 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: Greg is the CEO of the Important Motor Vehicles Association. 627 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: It is six to six. 628 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 3: The first word on the News of the Day early 629 00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 3: edition with Adre. 630 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: Dickins and r V Supercenter explore r VS, accessories and 631 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: servicing all in one news talks V. 632 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 2: So we talked to the Uber drivers who won yesterday, 633 00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 2: the four of them, and we talked earlier this morning, 634 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 2: and I've had reply to reply from real Uber drivers 635 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 2: not agreeing with it. So this is from Robin who says, 636 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 2: I am an Uber driver, I'm a member of the 637 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 2: Uber Drivers Advisory Panel. I interact with Uber regularly. The 638 00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: court made the only decision it could under the current legislation. However, 639 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: the four drivers represent themselves as representing the industry. The 640 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 2: problem is eighty percent of drivers do not want the change. 641 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 2: Maybe they want better conditions, but they don't want to 642 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 2: be employees. They enjoy the flexibility. So yeah, Mike, you're 643 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 2: talking to Brook microphone on. 644 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 13: Please. My reading of it is the judges it was 645 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 13: unanimous and two of them got there differently from the 646 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 13: other three. So it means the law's fairly solid as 647 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 13: far as I can work out. So they'll need to 648 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 13: make a law that allows them to do what they 649 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 13: want to do, because you're right, the gig economy is 650 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 13: based on freedom to do what you want to do, 651 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 13: not what some so they don't seem to be interventionist 652 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 13: as well. I'm saying this court they seem to have 653 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,520 Speaker 13: interpreted the law is it currently sits? Anyway, She's with 654 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 13: us and we'll talk about the aforementioned that cow business. 655 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 13: That's funny as so we'll talk about that as well. 656 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm actually looking forward to the filler from the 657 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 2: holiday park who's got rid of the TVs? That's gonna 658 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 2: be great. 659 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: For more from Early Edition with Ryan Bridge. Listen live 660 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: to News Talks it be from five am weekdays, or 661 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.