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Speaker 2: Hello Derek, to good afternoon, Welcome into Weekend Sport on

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Speaker 2: News Talks ad B. July twenty sixth, Happy birthday to

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Speaker 2: our number two ranked men's golfer Daniel Hilliot. I'm Jason

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Speaker 2: Pine Anny McDonald producing the show. We're here until three.

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Speaker 2: It feels a bit strange, I must say, not hosting

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Speaker 2: But that's okay. Our feature gets this afternoon. Incidentally, after

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Speaker 2: two is former British and Irish Lions coach Warren Gatland

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Speaker 2: looking ahead to tonight's second Test between the lines of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and the Wallabies in Melbourne. Can Australia

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Speaker 2: Hemisphere sew things up with a game to spare Warren

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Speaker 2: Gatland after the two o'clock news. First up today though

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Speaker 2: the thorny issue that is the current state of elite

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Speaker 2: netball in New Zealand. Huge uncertainty about the future of

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Speaker 2: the aen Ze Premiership and the funding of the sport

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Speaker 2: place for next year and beyond, and a sense of

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Speaker 2: genuine in trepidation among our top players about what the

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Speaker 2: future might hold for them. I want to unpack this

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Speaker 2: this hour and PLoP the way forward for one of

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Speaker 2: our biggest sports. I want to do it in a

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Speaker 2: solutions based fashion. One of the sports great innovators, or

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Speaker 2: not netballs, but one of sports great innovators of recent

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Speaker 2: times around these parts is Justin Nilson, who did great

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Speaker 2: things with basketball. Here he's standing by with his viewpoint.

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Speaker 2: Former Tactics general manager Hadi Stratford a bit later on

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Speaker 2: this hour and your thoughts crucial to this discussion, So

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Speaker 2: I'm keen to hear your ideas and your observations. How

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Speaker 2: can netball continue to survive and thrive now and into

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Speaker 2: the future. Other matters around Today, the Blackfon squad for

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Speaker 2: key members of the team, including Captain Deludmont after one.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand Football CEO Andrew Pragnell on the show today.

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Speaker 2: Less than eleven months until the FIFA Men's World Cup.

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Speaker 2: The your Whites are going, of course, will there be

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Speaker 2: our truly great Paralympians on the show too. Swim Mer

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Speaker 2: TALKSB Netball is navigating choppy waters right now. The future

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Speaker 3: Hey, thanks for having me. Nice to still be remembered.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. It was a great introduction and I think

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Speaker 3: it's the same as any sport. I mean, Netble's no

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Speaker 2: Has netball been slow to do that?

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Speaker 3: For me and my experience, that's where it starts.

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Speaker 3: And you know, conversations with sports were always good, always productive.

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Speaker 2: So why didn't they do anything with the suggestions that

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Speaker 3: Look, it's a hard one to answer because you don't

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Speaker 3: So you don't always know the depth of what's going

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Speaker 3: But again, find a way. I'm a big believer in

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Speaker 2: What changes and innovations would benefit NIPPLE in your view.

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Speaker 3: It's a great question, and it's only a personal opinion.

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Speaker 3: And you know, sometimes the boldness and courageousness of decisions

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Speaker 3: preface it. Some things will sit people down and surprise them.

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Speaker 3: But look, when I look at netball and dearly love

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Speaker 3: And so one thing that's always struck me about the

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Speaker 3: So you've got seven players on the court strategically changing, innovating,

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Speaker 2: To be fair to nip On New Zealand down the

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Speaker 3: Well, I think you summed it up well, you know,

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Speaker 3: really good point. Sometimes when you innovate, it's not so

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Speaker 3: I mean, you talked about rapid League and the intro,

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Speaker 3: and you know, rapid League is an innovations suggestion. It's

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Speaker 3: an idea. It's very, very different to what the game

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Speaker 3: so you need people to think differently. No matter what

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Speaker 3: It's about how the people use it and how the

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Speaker 3: And that's a good example of what has become successful.

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Speaker 3: But it's also the things you put around the sport,

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Speaker 3: I have been a person that's spoken in the past

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Speaker 2: I could not agree more. And may journe in July

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Speaker 2: the world just seems seen, you know, not ideal. So

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Speaker 2: it should nipple new zone. Just move the competition window,

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Speaker 2: give themselves clear airplay it. I don't know, August, September,

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Speaker 3: Well, for me, that's the first thing. That's the first

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Speaker 2: Very interesting, thought provoking stuff as always from you, Justin,

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Speaker 2: There be twelve thirty one just before we go to

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Speaker 2: But something has to be done, Calvin, you know. I

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

430
00:25:01,427 --> 00:25:04,387
Speaker 7: So otherwise a sider with money, you don't need somebody

431
00:25:04,467 --> 00:25:08,547
Speaker 7: like me who would luckily win the thirty million dollar

432
00:25:08,667 --> 00:25:12,507
Speaker 7: lotto and give that straight away to netball, and a

433
00:25:12,547 --> 00:25:14,427
Speaker 7: lot of problems would be solved, wouldn't it.

434
00:25:14,507 --> 00:25:16,907
Speaker 2: They might be Calvin, Yes, I don't know where. I

435
00:25:18,267 --> 00:25:20,067
Speaker 2: think once you won the thirty million, they might spend

436
00:25:20,067 --> 00:25:22,827
Speaker 2: a bit on yourself, mate, I would, But you're good

437
00:25:22,827 --> 00:25:24,387
Speaker 2: to chat to you, good to chat to you. The

438
00:25:25,707 --> 00:25:31,147
Speaker 2: separation from the Australian teams certainly had an impact on

439
00:25:31,187 --> 00:25:34,187
Speaker 2: our national team, didn't it, And on our domestic competition,

440
00:25:35,707 --> 00:25:37,747
Speaker 2: you know, it was it was good to see how

441
00:25:37,747 --> 00:25:41,547
Speaker 2: we would go against the Australian sides. It always felt

442
00:25:41,547 --> 00:25:43,507
Speaker 2: as though they were better than us and on the

443
00:25:43,547 --> 00:25:47,147
Speaker 2: occasions like Kelvin just mentioned there where New Zealand teams

444
00:25:47,147 --> 00:25:49,107
Speaker 2: did beat them in big, big games. It was a

445
00:25:49,107 --> 00:25:52,667
Speaker 2: feather in all of our caps. So yeah, the separation

446
00:25:53,307 --> 00:25:56,067
Speaker 2: has not been helpful to us. Yes, it was driven

447
00:25:56,107 --> 00:26:01,867
Speaker 2: by money. The cost of trans Tasman competition is proved

448
00:26:01,867 --> 00:26:04,347
Speaker 2: to be prohibitive. So if we stick with the New

449
00:26:04,467 --> 00:26:07,587
Speaker 2: Zealand competition, and we stick with what we've got, then

450
00:26:07,627 --> 00:26:09,827
Speaker 2: maybe you look at you rather than looking at adding

451
00:26:09,867 --> 00:26:12,587
Speaker 2: new teams in or things like that, you look at

452
00:26:12,587 --> 00:26:15,867
Speaker 2: a couple of things like moving the competition to benefit

453
00:26:15,987 --> 00:26:19,427
Speaker 2: the players on both sides of the Tasman but also

454
00:26:19,507 --> 00:26:23,227
Speaker 2: innovations in the game, the two point shot. A lot

455
00:26:23,267 --> 00:26:26,427
Speaker 2: of people got talking about nitball because of the two

456
00:26:26,427 --> 00:26:29,987
Speaker 2: point shot. There was an innovation, it was something. It

457
00:26:30,027 --> 00:26:33,867
Speaker 2: was a talking point and they you know, and people

458
00:26:33,867 --> 00:26:35,107
Speaker 2: tell them, why do you just have to wait till

459
00:26:35,107 --> 00:26:37,147
Speaker 2: the last couple of minutes of every quarter. Why isn't

460
00:26:37,187 --> 00:26:39,827
Speaker 2: it like that all the time? In basketball? The three

461
00:26:39,827 --> 00:26:42,867
Speaker 2: point shot is alive for the entire game. Why is

462
00:26:42,907 --> 00:26:46,467
Speaker 2: the two point shot and netball only available at certain times?

463
00:26:46,707 --> 00:26:48,347
Speaker 2: Why can't it be there all the time? But at

464
00:26:48,427 --> 00:26:51,427
Speaker 2: least we're talking about it at least we're trying something different.

465
00:26:52,427 --> 00:26:55,907
Speaker 2: Let everybody shoot and just move two in and two

466
00:26:55,947 --> 00:26:59,307
Speaker 2: out or one and one out. You know, that's in

467
00:26:59,347 --> 00:27:01,587
Speaker 2: the tactics of making sure that you've got the right

468
00:27:01,627 --> 00:27:04,987
Speaker 2: players in there and everybody would be able to shoot,

469
00:27:05,467 --> 00:27:08,187
Speaker 2: which is what young players who take up the game

470
00:27:09,107 --> 00:27:14,947
Speaker 2: gravitake towards Hello, film, get a pointy, you're good, I'm

471
00:27:15,067 --> 00:27:15,427
Speaker 2: very good.

472
00:27:15,427 --> 00:27:21,747
Speaker 5: Things film excellent, excellent, always good to hear. I didn't

473
00:27:21,747 --> 00:27:25,067
Speaker 5: think i'd be bringing up about netble be ringing up

474
00:27:25,067 --> 00:27:27,387
Speaker 5: and talk about Nepple and so I do like the game,

475
00:27:27,427 --> 00:27:29,467
Speaker 5: but it wasn't one I thought i'd be ringing up about.

476
00:27:29,547 --> 00:27:33,027
Speaker 5: But interesting listening to that fella. He brought up some

477
00:27:33,067 --> 00:27:35,187
Speaker 5: good points so I thought that I hadn't thought of before,

478
00:27:35,347 --> 00:27:37,747
Speaker 5: like one where he said, you know, you've got to

479
00:27:37,747 --> 00:27:40,187
Speaker 5: be willing to change in the boardroom as well if

480
00:27:40,227 --> 00:27:43,867
Speaker 5: the people that are running it aren't open to new

481
00:27:43,947 --> 00:27:45,707
Speaker 5: ideas and that you're going to go nowhere. So that

482
00:27:45,787 --> 00:27:47,787
Speaker 5: was a good point. Now, just before I get on

483
00:27:47,827 --> 00:27:50,467
Speaker 5: to my other thoughts that I'll go through quickly. Point

484
00:27:50,507 --> 00:27:52,787
Speaker 5: he just helped me out with this one. You just

485
00:27:52,827 --> 00:27:55,827
Speaker 5: said that the broadcasting they don't know if it's not

486
00:27:56,187 --> 00:27:58,467
Speaker 5: the broadcasting rights have got none, or they don't know

487
00:27:58,907 --> 00:28:01,147
Speaker 5: they're going to have any next year. So is it

488
00:28:01,227 --> 00:28:04,027
Speaker 5: the broadcasters that pay the wages? If they're not, if

489
00:28:04,067 --> 00:28:07,867
Speaker 5: they'd not got any broadcasting rights, that mean the players

490
00:28:07,867 --> 00:28:09,707
Speaker 5: don't get any wayes because I just want to clear

491
00:28:09,747 --> 00:28:10,547
Speaker 5: that up because I've got.

492
00:28:10,427 --> 00:28:14,547
Speaker 2: To get Yeah, well that you that is that's the

493
00:28:14,587 --> 00:28:18,547
Speaker 2: model for yeah that the broadcast revenue that the association

494
00:28:18,707 --> 00:28:24,307
Speaker 2: gets largely goes towards player salaries. So yes, So if

495
00:28:24,347 --> 00:28:27,267
Speaker 2: for example, I mean there'll be a broadcast to your

496
00:28:27,347 --> 00:28:30,987
Speaker 2: next year, Sky will will almost certainly broadcast the games,

497
00:28:31,307 --> 00:28:34,307
Speaker 2: but what they pay Netball New Zealand to do so

498
00:28:34,427 --> 00:28:38,627
Speaker 2: will be drastically reduced, which will mean Netball New Zealand

499
00:28:38,627 --> 00:28:40,467
Speaker 2: will have to do one of two things. They'll either

500
00:28:40,467 --> 00:28:43,187
Speaker 2: have to dip into their own cash reserves to top

501
00:28:43,267 --> 00:28:46,067
Speaker 2: up the salaries, and that's only a very short term solution.

502
00:28:46,187 --> 00:28:48,387
Speaker 2: You can't keep on doing that, or they'll have to

503
00:28:48,467 --> 00:28:52,147
Speaker 2: find other revenue streams like sponsorship for example, and things

504
00:28:52,187 --> 00:28:55,187
Speaker 2: like that to help make up the shortfall. So yeah,

505
00:28:55,187 --> 00:28:59,507
Speaker 2: broadcast revenue is absolutely crucial to the ongoing health of

506
00:28:59,907 --> 00:29:00,987
Speaker 2: any professional sport.

507
00:29:02,067 --> 00:29:04,627
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you for that. Thinks that gives me an understanding,

508
00:29:04,667 --> 00:29:05,547
Speaker 5: a better understanding.

509
00:29:05,987 --> 00:29:06,187
Speaker 7: Now.

510
00:29:07,387 --> 00:29:11,627
Speaker 5: I initially thought shooting anybody be on a shoot wasn't

511
00:29:11,627 --> 00:29:13,187
Speaker 5: a bad idea, But the more I think about it,

512
00:29:13,227 --> 00:29:15,227
Speaker 5: a bit like Calvin, is it Calvin, I sort of

513
00:29:15,267 --> 00:29:17,387
Speaker 5: wonder how that would affect the structure of the game

514
00:29:17,907 --> 00:29:20,707
Speaker 5: by allowing anybody to shoot, like you say, just still

515
00:29:20,747 --> 00:29:23,147
Speaker 5: have two. But still I'm kind of thinking, not one

516
00:29:23,187 --> 00:29:26,067
Speaker 5: hundred percent sure in that way, but I thought the

517
00:29:26,147 --> 00:29:28,307
Speaker 5: two point shot thing, I think has been a great

518
00:29:28,347 --> 00:29:33,587
Speaker 5: and a great interventure innovation because I think I've already

519
00:29:33,627 --> 00:29:35,827
Speaker 5: seen on the news sporting news where there's been a

520
00:29:35,867 --> 00:29:37,867
Speaker 5: couple of times where games have been won by that

521
00:29:37,947 --> 00:29:40,467
Speaker 5: two point shot, and it's made it more exciting and

522
00:29:40,547 --> 00:29:44,867
Speaker 5: interesting and closer. I thought, I thought an idea like

523
00:29:44,907 --> 00:29:47,627
Speaker 5: you said about the center pass, which I never thought about,

524
00:29:47,627 --> 00:29:50,667
Speaker 5: and you said how there's very few sports where teams

525
00:29:50,707 --> 00:29:52,867
Speaker 5: get the ball back when they score. So I thought, yeah,

526
00:29:52,907 --> 00:29:55,587
Speaker 5: it's a it's a good it's not a bad point.

527
00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:58,707
Speaker 5: So maybe if they have like a throw up instead

528
00:29:58,707 --> 00:30:01,427
Speaker 5: of a cent of pass, where then you know it's

529
00:30:01,747 --> 00:30:04,027
Speaker 5: fifty to fifty of who ever getting the.

530
00:30:03,947 --> 00:30:07,667
Speaker 2: Ball, No bad ideas. Still that's something. No bad ideas here,

531
00:30:07,787 --> 00:30:10,387
Speaker 2: no bad ideas, And people said, I will in rugby

532
00:30:10,427 --> 00:30:12,307
Speaker 2: and rugby league, the other team gets the ball. If

533
00:30:12,347 --> 00:30:14,507
Speaker 2: you score a try, the other team kicks off and

534
00:30:15,147 --> 00:30:17,027
Speaker 2: it has to go ten meters so you you know,

535
00:30:17,107 --> 00:30:20,387
Speaker 2: so you you effectively get it back. But I think

536
00:30:20,427 --> 00:30:23,467
Speaker 2: the point that Justin was making was that that the

537
00:30:23,827 --> 00:30:27,867
Speaker 2: team that's just scored the point, that try, the goal,

538
00:30:27,907 --> 00:30:30,827
Speaker 2: whatever it is, doesn't get the ball in their possession.

539
00:30:31,147 --> 00:30:34,307
Speaker 2: And any other sport to kick off apart from netball,

540
00:30:34,347 --> 00:30:36,787
Speaker 2: that's the only one that I can think of where

541
00:30:37,227 --> 00:30:41,187
Speaker 2: where they get they get the ball back. And yes

542
00:30:41,227 --> 00:30:44,787
Speaker 2: it's on a it's on a you know, turn about

543
00:30:45,107 --> 00:30:49,107
Speaker 2: it alternates again. It's just I mean, like you say,

544
00:30:49,307 --> 00:30:51,347
Speaker 2: and just think of different things. Just just get in

545
00:30:51,387 --> 00:30:53,587
Speaker 2: a whate get in a boardroom and just write a

546
00:30:53,627 --> 00:31:00,067
Speaker 2: whole bunch of ideas down tick through here. Where is

547
00:31:00,107 --> 00:31:05,107
Speaker 2: it here it is? Leave netball alone. It's not doing

548
00:31:05,187 --> 00:31:08,707
Speaker 2: anything particularly. It should not become a variation of basketball.

549
00:31:09,027 --> 00:31:11,787
Speaker 2: No to everybody's shooting. Not everyone wants to be a shooter.

550
00:31:12,227 --> 00:31:14,467
Speaker 2: Thousands of children play netball because they love the game

551
00:31:14,507 --> 00:31:16,467
Speaker 2: as it is I've been to several home games for

552
00:31:16,467 --> 00:31:19,227
Speaker 2: the Mystics this season. Each has been well attended, entertaining,

553
00:31:19,267 --> 00:31:21,667
Speaker 2: the atmosphere has been incredible. Netborne New Zella are doing

554
00:31:21,747 --> 00:31:24,387
Speaker 2: well while keeping the integrity of the game. It always

555
00:31:24,427 --> 00:31:28,627
Speaker 2: comes down to money. Sort your priorities out, Sky, Okay.

556
00:31:28,707 --> 00:31:32,067
Speaker 2: What I would say to that is that clearly netball

557
00:31:32,187 --> 00:31:35,547
Speaker 2: are not doing well. Otherwise Sky would be banging their

558
00:31:35,627 --> 00:31:40,707
Speaker 2: door down to broadcast their games. I agree with you

559
00:31:41,147 --> 00:31:43,827
Speaker 2: on game the in game experience is great, but for

560
00:31:43,907 --> 00:31:47,987
Speaker 2: whatever reason, the game doesn't rate on television. Otherwise, Sky, essay,

561
00:31:48,027 --> 00:31:50,907
Speaker 2: would be beating the door down at Netborn New Zealand

562
00:31:51,187 --> 00:31:54,627
Speaker 2: to pay them whatever they wanted to What if Netball

563
00:31:54,707 --> 00:31:58,347
Speaker 2: wanted to broadcast. I take on board what you're saying.

564
00:31:58,387 --> 00:32:00,707
Speaker 2: You don't have to change, but if you stand in

565
00:32:00,747 --> 00:32:04,147
Speaker 2: the way of changing innovation, one of two things happen.

566
00:32:04,387 --> 00:32:06,787
Speaker 2: You become irrelevant or you get run over by the

567
00:32:06,827 --> 00:32:10,067
Speaker 2: other sports who are willing to innovate, who are willing

568
00:32:10,547 --> 00:32:14,707
Speaker 2: to try something different. Nineteen away from one New Stalks

569
00:32:14,827 --> 00:32:15,787
Speaker 2: be back with more in a minute.

570
00:32:15,987 --> 00:32:18,947
Speaker 1: Just don't get caught offside. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty

571
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573
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574
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Speaker 2: the former general manager of the Tactics and joins us

575
00:32:32,507 --> 00:32:35,707
Speaker 2: on Weekend Sport. Haiti, thanks for your view and insight.

576
00:32:35,747 --> 00:32:38,267
Speaker 2: WA's your general view first of all on the challenging

577
00:32:38,307 --> 00:32:40,507
Speaker 2: situation Netbel finds itself in right now.

578
00:32:40,987 --> 00:32:43,427
Speaker 9: Yeah, a lot of different components, aren't there going on

579
00:32:43,507 --> 00:32:46,667
Speaker 9: at the moment. I think, I think a really important

580
00:32:46,707 --> 00:32:48,907
Speaker 9: thing to remember is this is not all just happened

581
00:32:48,947 --> 00:32:51,307
Speaker 9: in one year. You know, this has been I suppose

582
00:32:51,587 --> 00:32:54,107
Speaker 9: several years of culmination of different types of things that

583
00:32:54,147 --> 00:32:57,467
Speaker 9: the sport's been a suppose under challenged with. I mean,

584
00:32:57,467 --> 00:33:00,867
Speaker 9: obviously every sport had the COVID thing nettle. Then we

585
00:33:00,987 --> 00:33:04,427
Speaker 9: managed to have like two like really early seasons due

586
00:33:04,507 --> 00:33:07,947
Speaker 9: to Conwell's games, et cetera. We had double header weekends.

587
00:33:07,947 --> 00:33:09,587
Speaker 9: All of those things that have, like bit by bit

588
00:33:09,667 --> 00:33:13,387
Speaker 9: put pressure on the sport. And then of course we've

589
00:33:13,387 --> 00:33:16,627
Speaker 9: got three teams that are effectively underneath New Zealand in

590
00:33:16,747 --> 00:33:19,387
Speaker 9: terms of financial management, three out of the six fifty

591
00:33:19,387 --> 00:33:22,947
Speaker 9: percent not ideal lots of those different components I think

592
00:33:22,987 --> 00:33:26,707
Speaker 9: sort of adding adding pressure, and yeah, we are now

593
00:33:26,787 --> 00:33:29,507
Speaker 9: where the sport is needing to make.

594
00:33:29,387 --> 00:33:34,547
Speaker 2: Some change before we look ahead. Just on the scenario

595
00:33:34,587 --> 00:33:37,987
Speaker 2: you've just outlined, could Netball New Zealand have done anything

596
00:33:38,067 --> 00:33:41,747
Speaker 2: differently in the past four or five years to avert

597
00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:44,987
Speaker 2: the situation they're in now? Gosh, that's a.

598
00:33:45,067 --> 00:33:47,267
Speaker 9: Tough question, isn't it. I think, like most people, whether

599
00:33:47,307 --> 00:33:49,667
Speaker 9: it's sport or business, could could sit there with the

600
00:33:49,707 --> 00:33:53,467
Speaker 9: benefit of hindsight and say that, I mean one side

601
00:33:53,467 --> 00:33:55,667
Speaker 9: of it, you could actually say, looking on the positive side,

602
00:33:55,707 --> 00:33:57,867
Speaker 9: you could say, well, net New Zellan actually held has

603
00:33:57,907 --> 00:34:00,947
Speaker 9: held it together longer than maybe other sports would have

604
00:34:01,107 --> 00:34:03,867
Speaker 9: because they've actually taken on the responsibility of these three

605
00:34:03,907 --> 00:34:08,707
Speaker 9: franchises that the regions where those regions struggled. So maybe

606
00:34:08,747 --> 00:34:11,707
Speaker 9: we've managed to hold on longer than the sport was

607
00:34:12,027 --> 00:34:14,107
Speaker 9: ever sort of like meant to be able to do.

608
00:34:14,707 --> 00:34:16,547
Speaker 9: And the other way of looking at is that, yeah,

609
00:34:16,667 --> 00:34:20,547
Speaker 9: maybe we needed to have innovated earlier, Maybe we needed

610
00:34:20,587 --> 00:34:26,667
Speaker 9: to have been stronger with the network sort of deals. Yeah,

611
00:34:26,707 --> 00:34:28,707
Speaker 9: maybe we need to look at the eligibility sooner. There's

612
00:34:28,707 --> 00:34:30,907
Speaker 9: certainly like I just I feel like it's really easy

613
00:34:30,947 --> 00:34:33,187
Speaker 9: to sit here and say all those different things. But

614
00:34:33,707 --> 00:34:35,667
Speaker 9: there's no doubt that the innovations that have come in

615
00:34:35,707 --> 00:34:38,147
Speaker 9: this year, like the two point shot, people that don't

616
00:34:38,187 --> 00:34:41,667
Speaker 9: normally watch netball talk to me about it and have

617
00:34:41,747 --> 00:34:44,787
Speaker 9: really enjoyed that component of us and actually have been

618
00:34:44,827 --> 00:34:46,907
Speaker 9: saying why don't why don't we have that for the

619
00:34:46,907 --> 00:34:50,627
Speaker 9: whole match? So I think that's really cool. But has

620
00:34:50,667 --> 00:34:52,747
Speaker 9: it just been has it just come a little bit late?

621
00:34:53,467 --> 00:34:56,227
Speaker 2: So yeah, as you say, hindsight is always twenty twenty.

622
00:34:56,227 --> 00:34:59,827
Speaker 2: There's no point, you know, relitigating what's happened in the past.

623
00:34:59,907 --> 00:35:03,787
Speaker 2: Let's look forward. What are the best steps for Netball

624
00:35:03,827 --> 00:35:05,267
Speaker 2: New Zealand to take from here?

625
00:35:06,747 --> 00:35:10,027
Speaker 9: I think the most important thing is to take a step.

626
00:35:10,507 --> 00:35:14,307
Speaker 6: You can't stand still. You've got to.

627
00:35:13,667 --> 00:35:17,787
Speaker 9: Be brave and move in a direction, and I think

628
00:35:17,827 --> 00:35:21,787
Speaker 9: that is the most important thing. So neither it doesn't

629
00:35:21,787 --> 00:35:24,027
Speaker 9: matter what direction they choose to go on them and

630
00:35:24,027 --> 00:35:27,267
Speaker 9: the players, They've just got to move and I think

631
00:35:27,547 --> 00:35:30,347
Speaker 9: then that gives players clarity, which is at the moment,

632
00:35:30,467 --> 00:35:33,147
Speaker 9: you know they don't have and they are your want

633
00:35:33,187 --> 00:35:34,867
Speaker 9: of the better term, your assets, right, you know you

634
00:35:34,947 --> 00:35:37,027
Speaker 9: need your players to sort of get the game on

635
00:35:37,067 --> 00:35:40,107
Speaker 9: the TV, and so I think just some form of direction.

636
00:35:40,187 --> 00:35:41,827
Speaker 9: You've got to give people direction and that. Do you

637
00:35:41,867 --> 00:35:44,467
Speaker 9: know what, there's always things that come out of it.

638
00:35:44,547 --> 00:35:47,307
Speaker 9: You know, if the am Z Premiership were to go

639
00:35:47,947 --> 00:35:50,147
Speaker 9: or was to go on to a different window, you

640
00:35:50,147 --> 00:35:52,867
Speaker 9: could see a rebirth of sort of like an MPC

641
00:35:53,067 --> 00:35:55,867
Speaker 9: format where you've actually which has really been lost in

642
00:35:55,907 --> 00:35:58,187
Speaker 9: the years with netball. You know, there's a big jump

643
00:35:58,187 --> 00:36:00,867
Speaker 9: between the am Z Premiership and Club World. You know

644
00:36:00,947 --> 00:36:04,907
Speaker 9: that could be reborn and that's actually really exciting. So

645
00:36:05,467 --> 00:36:07,267
Speaker 9: I don't think it needs to all doom and gloom.

646
00:36:07,307 --> 00:36:08,547
Speaker 9: I think you've got to read the room.

647
00:36:08,587 --> 00:36:09,707
Speaker 10: You've got to work out what's.

648
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Speaker 9: Beast for the players. And if the money's not there,

649
00:36:11,667 --> 00:36:13,227
Speaker 9: the money's not there. It doesn't mean to say it

650
00:36:13,227 --> 00:36:15,667
Speaker 9: won't come back, but you can't, like I mean, we've

651
00:36:15,707 --> 00:36:18,147
Speaker 9: all been hanging on for a long time. I mean

652
00:36:18,187 --> 00:36:20,427
Speaker 9: when I was GM in the role for those three years,

653
00:36:20,507 --> 00:36:22,307
Speaker 9: you know, I don't know if you know many general

654
00:36:22,347 --> 00:36:25,787
Speaker 9: managers that are part time, like it was, it was

655
00:36:25,827 --> 00:36:28,867
Speaker 9: a part it was a contractor there's a part time role,

656
00:36:28,947 --> 00:36:31,947
Speaker 9: and all of our staff were part time, including all

657
00:36:31,947 --> 00:36:35,467
Speaker 9: of the players. So you know, Netpaul has done amazing

658
00:36:35,507 --> 00:36:38,547
Speaker 9: stuff with the resources that it has had, which has

659
00:36:38,587 --> 00:36:40,867
Speaker 9: been awesome because you look at sports like you know, hockey,

660
00:36:40,867 --> 00:36:43,707
Speaker 9: which haven't had that sort of platform. But yeah, how

661
00:36:43,707 --> 00:36:45,267
Speaker 9: can we get it back? What do we need to do?

662
00:36:45,347 --> 00:36:47,587
Speaker 9: But You've just I just think they've got to just

663
00:36:47,667 --> 00:36:48,267
Speaker 9: keep moving.

664
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Speaker 2: How do you think the players should be feeling in

665
00:36:51,507 --> 00:36:52,827
Speaker 2: general terms right now?

666
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Speaker 9: Look, I think it's the lesson for everybody, Like being

667
00:36:57,787 --> 00:37:01,867
Speaker 9: a professional athlete is a really volatile career choice. I

668
00:37:01,907 --> 00:37:03,947
Speaker 9: think all these girls are in it for all the

669
00:37:04,067 --> 00:37:06,307
Speaker 9: right reasons. They love the sports and that passionate about

670
00:37:06,427 --> 00:37:09,267
Speaker 9: what they do. It's their job at the moment? Are

671
00:37:09,267 --> 00:37:10,907
Speaker 9: I supposed to some of them? If I was an

672
00:37:10,947 --> 00:37:13,787
Speaker 9: agent to the top players, I'd be remiss and not

673
00:37:13,947 --> 00:37:17,587
Speaker 9: advising them to be looking off for offshore contracts. And

674
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Speaker 9: I've got no doubt that the top players would have

675
00:37:19,867 --> 00:37:22,427
Speaker 9: been presented them already. I'm not an agent, by the way,

676
00:37:22,467 --> 00:37:27,107
Speaker 9: and I'm not contecting anybody, but I think that's a

677
00:37:27,187 --> 00:37:29,867
Speaker 9: no brainer. But you've also i think current talked on

678
00:37:29,947 --> 00:37:32,227
Speaker 9: your Guys show the other day, You've got to remember

679
00:37:32,267 --> 00:37:34,227
Speaker 9: that people have lives outside of the sport, and for

680
00:37:34,267 --> 00:37:35,907
Speaker 9: some of them, it's not just a matter of jumping

681
00:37:35,987 --> 00:37:38,427
Speaker 9: up and going across the ditch and playing the sport.

682
00:37:38,667 --> 00:37:42,307
Speaker 9: So yeah, I think there'll be other considerations that players

683
00:37:43,547 --> 00:37:46,267
Speaker 9: you know, have think about. But I reckon on one

684
00:37:46,307 --> 00:37:48,587
Speaker 9: of the things that's really challenging for the girls is

685
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Speaker 9: when they're in the season, not just giving it everything.

686
00:37:51,107 --> 00:37:51,267
Speaker 3: Right.

687
00:37:51,347 --> 00:37:54,387
Speaker 9: So you've got four teams now out, those girls will

688
00:37:54,387 --> 00:37:58,547
Speaker 9: be in panic mode. You've got two teams still playing tomorrow.

689
00:37:59,107 --> 00:38:01,827
Speaker 9: Come one day, that's when the realization will see them

690
00:38:01,827 --> 00:38:03,587
Speaker 9: for a lot of them. And I think the next

691
00:38:03,627 --> 00:38:06,067
Speaker 9: couple of weeks, next few weeks, they're going to be really,

692
00:38:06,107 --> 00:38:09,747
Speaker 9: really tough. But just not just the players though either

693
00:38:09,907 --> 00:38:12,867
Speaker 9: Jason like the support stuff. I mean, their contracts have

694
00:38:12,907 --> 00:38:15,147
Speaker 9: already been cut down to this two round thing. People

695
00:38:15,227 --> 00:38:18,587
Speaker 9: forget about that, and so it's those guys as well.

696
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Speaker 2: So how optimistic do you feel, Haiti? It's a challenging

697
00:38:23,107 --> 00:38:25,827
Speaker 2: situation for netball New Zealand, for the players, the support stuff,

698
00:38:25,827 --> 00:38:28,787
Speaker 2: everybody involved in the sport. How optimistic do you feel

699
00:38:28,867 --> 00:38:33,787
Speaker 2: that netball can can thrive again? Because I mean the

700
00:38:33,867 --> 00:38:37,987
Speaker 2: game's massive here, you know, participation numbers are enormous. Historically

701
00:38:38,027 --> 00:38:40,787
Speaker 2: it's been a sport we've all loved and got behind,

702
00:38:40,987 --> 00:38:43,387
Speaker 2: even in the am Z Premiership now big crowds are

703
00:38:43,427 --> 00:38:46,107
Speaker 2: turning up. How optimistic do you feel that the sport

704
00:38:46,187 --> 00:38:48,787
Speaker 2: can thrive at the elite level moving forward?

705
00:38:49,707 --> 00:38:53,347
Speaker 9: Look looking at the basic facts, like the game is popular,

706
00:38:53,467 --> 00:38:56,027
Speaker 9: Like people love netball. I think about people like my

707
00:38:56,147 --> 00:38:58,627
Speaker 9: mum and who friends and man, the prospect of the

708
00:38:58,667 --> 00:39:01,547
Speaker 9: AMZI Premiership not being on TV every weekend would be

709
00:39:01,547 --> 00:39:04,787
Speaker 9: absolutely devastating for those guys, Like they get their friends

710
00:39:04,787 --> 00:39:07,827
Speaker 9: together and they watch the game, and there's so many

711
00:39:07,827 --> 00:39:10,267
Speaker 9: people who do that. I think all the girl little

712
00:39:10,307 --> 00:39:12,387
Speaker 9: young girls and boys who are coming to the stadium

713
00:39:12,427 --> 00:39:15,147
Speaker 9: and watch the heroes, Like the idea of that not

714
00:39:15,267 --> 00:39:18,507
Speaker 9: being there is devastating. I think, like I think, if

715
00:39:19,267 --> 00:39:22,907
Speaker 9: I don't know, I suppose, like the eligibility piece that

716
00:39:22,907 --> 00:39:25,267
Speaker 9: they've delivered, well, the timing might not have been ideal

717
00:39:25,347 --> 00:39:27,267
Speaker 9: this week. I actually am given a bit of hope

718
00:39:27,267 --> 00:39:30,587
Speaker 9: with that because that's been sort of debated for years

719
00:39:30,627 --> 00:39:32,667
Speaker 9: and they've finally made a decision on it, and I

720
00:39:32,707 --> 00:39:36,067
Speaker 9: personally think it's the right one. And so that's that's

721
00:39:36,107 --> 00:39:38,947
Speaker 9: been brave of them to do that, and so I

722
00:39:38,947 --> 00:39:41,427
Speaker 9: think that gives hope. That gives me hope that they're

723
00:39:41,467 --> 00:39:43,707
Speaker 9: willing to be brave to make other decisions rather than

724
00:39:43,787 --> 00:39:47,787
Speaker 9: just sort of status quiet. I'm just really hopeful that they,

725
00:39:48,627 --> 00:39:52,067
Speaker 9: you know, they just embrace it and make take another.

726
00:39:51,867 --> 00:39:56,267
Speaker 2: Step, make a decision just before you go, Hadi tomorrow.

727
00:39:56,267 --> 00:39:59,027
Speaker 2: Can your tactics or your former tactic side finally win

728
00:39:59,107 --> 00:40:01,507
Speaker 2: one of these things? Yeah?

729
00:40:01,707 --> 00:40:03,547
Speaker 9: I look, I think a lot of people have been

730
00:40:03,547 --> 00:40:05,547
Speaker 9: talking and Liza's been talking on the radio this morning

731
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Speaker 9: about you know, resilience and we're task and all that.

732
00:40:09,107 --> 00:40:11,267
Speaker 9: You've got to kind of put that stuff aside for

733
00:40:11,347 --> 00:40:14,547
Speaker 9: a little minute and just look at the bare bones

734
00:40:14,587 --> 00:40:17,187
Speaker 9: of the game and just you look, if our attacking

735
00:40:17,267 --> 00:40:19,747
Speaker 9: in can bring it. If teeps us on a game,

736
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Speaker 9: which I've got no doubt she will be She's had

737
00:40:21,427 --> 00:40:24,947
Speaker 9: a great season. If we can get the attacking side

738
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Speaker 9: working really well, I have full faith in the girls.

739
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Speaker 9: I mean, our defensive group showed some real grip last week,

740
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Speaker 9: and if Karen and Jane step up like they did

741
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Speaker 9: in the second half of last week's game, I think

742
00:40:35,947 --> 00:40:37,387
Speaker 9: it'll come down to the wire. I think in my

743
00:40:37,467 --> 00:40:40,707
Speaker 9: first year we were in the grand final at Consalkland

744
00:40:40,787 --> 00:40:43,467
Speaker 9: and they got us by two, So that'll be in

745
00:40:43,467 --> 00:40:45,787
Speaker 9: the back minds of these girls as well. So full

746
00:40:45,827 --> 00:40:49,827
Speaker 9: faith we definitely can do it. Just hopefully, hopefully we're

747
00:40:49,827 --> 00:40:52,187
Speaker 9: the ones that turn up and show them the way.

748
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Speaker 2: All right, and may there be a bright future for

749
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Speaker 2: the competition as well. Hey, do you really appreciate you

750
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Speaker 2: taking the time to join us this afternoon. Thanks for your.

751
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Speaker 9: Time, not a problem, thank you, no, thank you.

752
00:41:00,187 --> 00:41:03,387
Speaker 2: Hadi Hatti Stratford, former general manager of the Tactics. Coming

753
00:41:03,427 --> 00:41:05,107
Speaker 2: up six and a half to one, coming up three

754
00:41:05,147 --> 00:41:07,227
Speaker 2: to one. Are heaps of great text through which I

755
00:41:07,227 --> 00:41:08,747
Speaker 2: do want to get to after one o'clock, so I'll

756
00:41:08,787 --> 00:41:11,067
Speaker 2: get to some of the really articulate thoughts that have

757
00:41:11,147 --> 00:41:14,467
Speaker 2: come through on on text. We can hit the lines

758
00:41:14,507 --> 00:41:16,427
Speaker 2: open as well on the netball situation if you like.

759
00:41:16,427 --> 00:41:19,027
Speaker 2: But I want to transition across as well to the

760
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Speaker 2: Black Ferns, because yesterday the Blackfern squad was named for

761
00:41:21,827 --> 00:41:24,907
Speaker 2: the upcoming Rugby World Cup. Can they defend their title?

762
00:41:25,107 --> 00:41:27,267
Speaker 2: Some of the key players who might do that. After

763
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Speaker 2: one o'clock.

764
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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

765
00:41:32,867 --> 00:41:34,027
Speaker 1: and after fields.

766
00:41:34,547 --> 00:41:36,347
Speaker 11: It's all on weekends.

767
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Speaker 1: Forward with Jason Vane on your home of.

768
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Speaker 2: Sport or Hello there, this is Weekend Sport one oh

769
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Speaker 2: seven is the time. I'm Jason Pine. Andy McDonald is

770
00:41:46,027 --> 00:41:49,027
Speaker 2: producing the show. In an hour or so, Warren Gatland

771
00:41:49,027 --> 00:41:52,147
Speaker 2: will join us out of Australia where tonight in Melbourne,

772
00:41:52,227 --> 00:41:55,667
Speaker 2: ninety thousand plus are expected to watch the second Test

773
00:41:55,747 --> 00:41:58,307
Speaker 2: between the Wallabies and the British and Irish Lions. Waladies

774
00:41:58,347 --> 00:42:00,667
Speaker 2: need to win it to keep the series alive, hitting

775
00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:02,907
Speaker 2: to Test three in Sydney next Saturday. For the Lions,

776
00:42:02,947 --> 00:42:06,787
Speaker 2: if they win tonight, they sew up the series. Warring Gatland,

777
00:42:06,787 --> 00:42:08,827
Speaker 2: of course, was coach of the British and Irish Lions

778
00:42:09,547 --> 00:42:12,747
Speaker 2: on their tour of Australia in twenty thirteen and here

779
00:42:13,147 --> 00:42:16,227
Speaker 2: in New Zealand in twenty seventeen. What is he predicting

780
00:42:16,267 --> 00:42:20,667
Speaker 2: tonight and what do the Lions and the Wallabies have

781
00:42:20,707 --> 00:42:22,787
Speaker 2: to do to get the outcome? They are looking forward

782
00:42:22,787 --> 00:42:25,307
Speaker 2: tonight Warren Gatland. In an hour or so, our Australian

783
00:42:25,347 --> 00:42:28,627
Speaker 2: correspondent Adam Peacock going to touch on the lines Wallabies

784
00:42:28,627 --> 00:42:29,907
Speaker 2: as well. This so how we're going to get to

785
00:42:29,907 --> 00:42:32,787
Speaker 2: the black Ferns shortly as well. Just want to get

786
00:42:32,827 --> 00:42:35,667
Speaker 2: through a few of these texts that came through last

787
00:42:35,707 --> 00:42:38,507
Speaker 2: hour when we were talking netball, because people are taking

788
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Speaker 2: a lot of time sending these through and arranging their

789
00:42:42,627 --> 00:42:44,947
Speaker 2: thoughts in coherent fashion that I think it's only fair

790
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Speaker 2: that we mop these up with some really interesting thoughts.

791
00:42:48,627 --> 00:42:50,747
Speaker 2: We're talking netball last hour, if you're just joining us,

792
00:42:51,107 --> 00:42:55,107
Speaker 2: and what can be done to reinvigorate the sport to

793
00:42:55,107 --> 00:42:59,667
Speaker 2: the point where it is attractive to broadcast us, it

794
00:42:59,747 --> 00:43:04,827
Speaker 2: is attractive to those who pay a large portion of

795
00:43:04,867 --> 00:43:09,227
Speaker 2: the salaries broadcasters because as we understand it, the broadcast

796
00:43:09,227 --> 00:43:11,907
Speaker 2: deal with Sky hasn't been signed yet and when it

797
00:43:11,987 --> 00:43:14,787
Speaker 2: is for next year, it'll be a greatly reduced one.

798
00:43:15,267 --> 00:43:18,267
Speaker 2: And we got onto a wider discussion about the sport

799
00:43:18,267 --> 00:43:23,987
Speaker 2: and netball from Aiden and Duneed and few thoughts borrowing

800
00:43:24,067 --> 00:43:26,867
Speaker 2: principles from the Big Bash revival in Australia. Make the

801
00:43:26,907 --> 00:43:30,507
Speaker 2: exciting parts of the game more exciting e g. Goals

802
00:43:30,507 --> 00:43:33,027
Speaker 2: scored off intercepts could be worth two points and you

803
00:43:33,107 --> 00:43:35,947
Speaker 2: get the ball at the next restart. I understand the

804
00:43:35,987 --> 00:43:39,627
Speaker 2: restrictions on player players limiting the attraction of this game

805
00:43:39,787 --> 00:43:45,347
Speaker 2: compared to rugby, league, football, etc. Strategy priorities for game leadership, engauge, connect,

806
00:43:45,467 --> 00:43:48,747
Speaker 2: transact with the audience and beyond fred to are to

807
00:43:48,787 --> 00:43:52,267
Speaker 2: be viewable by all. Thanks Adan, appreciate your thoughts. Mussy's Piney.

808
00:43:52,267 --> 00:43:54,547
Speaker 2: Having two teenage daughters that love and play netball, I

809
00:43:54,547 --> 00:43:58,587
Speaker 2: can tell you they're looking at sevens now along with

810
00:43:58,587 --> 00:44:01,947
Speaker 2: the Black Ferns and NRLW along with all their friends.

811
00:44:01,947 --> 00:44:05,627
Speaker 2: Because those sports are promoting it better. Netball have to

812
00:44:05,667 --> 00:44:09,347
Speaker 2: be careful they loser generation. Thanks mass Alfonso says this

813
00:44:09,427 --> 00:44:11,347
Speaker 2: is crazy. Netble is the most popular sport in New

814
00:44:11,427 --> 00:44:15,987
Speaker 2: Zealand by number of participants. That's actually not true, Alfonso,

815
00:44:16,067 --> 00:44:21,067
Speaker 2: it's football. It is very popular among females and the

816
00:44:21,107 --> 00:44:24,147
Speaker 2: secondary school age group in particular. I believe it to

817
00:44:24,187 --> 00:44:28,267
Speaker 2: still be the most popular sport in our secondary schools

818
00:44:28,987 --> 00:44:32,227
Speaker 2: with female participants, certainly a couple of years ago. I've

819
00:44:32,267 --> 00:44:33,907
Speaker 2: got to study here from twenty twenty three, and it

820
00:44:33,907 --> 00:44:36,107
Speaker 2: may have changed since. In fact, I'm almost certain that

821
00:44:36,147 --> 00:44:38,467
Speaker 2: it will have. But netble was the most popular sport

822
00:44:38,507 --> 00:44:42,627
Speaker 2: full stop in our secondary schools, marginally ahead of basketball

823
00:44:42,627 --> 00:44:44,987
Speaker 2: at that time. With volleyball, rugby and football following. But

824
00:44:45,027 --> 00:44:47,067
Speaker 2: I know that after the World Cup, the FIFA Women's

825
00:44:47,067 --> 00:44:49,427
Speaker 2: World Cup in twenty twenty three mentioned this last hour

826
00:44:49,427 --> 00:44:52,627
Speaker 2: of twenty seven percent increase and play numbers a among

827
00:44:52,667 --> 00:44:58,787
Speaker 2: young young female players. So netbale isn't the most popular sport.

828
00:44:59,067 --> 00:45:02,827
Speaker 2: But even if it was, that doesn't take away from

829
00:45:02,827 --> 00:45:05,467
Speaker 2: what's happening at the elite level. Yes, the base of

830
00:45:05,467 --> 00:45:08,467
Speaker 2: the pyramid can be very strong, and in many ways

831
00:45:08,467 --> 00:45:13,187
Speaker 2: that makes us more confusing why it can't be at

832
00:45:13,227 --> 00:45:17,987
Speaker 2: elite level. Grahams is pinty, good afternoon, Nipple and going forward,

833
00:45:18,027 --> 00:45:21,547
Speaker 2: perhaps more to the point, not going forward. From different reports,

834
00:45:21,587 --> 00:45:24,867
Speaker 2: I've heard the board of Nipple in New Zealand sounds

835
00:45:24,947 --> 00:45:29,107
Speaker 2: like it is at least somewhat archaic an attitude. For example,

836
00:45:29,307 --> 00:45:30,947
Speaker 2: look at how long it took them to at least

837
00:45:31,027 --> 00:45:35,827
Speaker 2: address publicly the overseas based players being eligible for silver

838
00:45:35,907 --> 00:45:39,147
Speaker 2: furn selection. Even now I don't know if that point

839
00:45:39,147 --> 00:45:42,707
Speaker 2: has been dealt with satisfactorily. A change of at least

840
00:45:42,747 --> 00:45:44,787
Speaker 2: some board members may at least address some of the

841
00:45:44,867 --> 00:45:48,267
Speaker 2: heel dragging that appears so evident in the sport, Thank

842
00:45:48,267 --> 00:45:51,387
Speaker 2: you very much. Indeed, Graham for your text. Greeg says,

843
00:45:51,387 --> 00:45:53,027
Speaker 2: is not up to Sky to improve the game in Nipple,

844
00:45:53,067 --> 00:45:54,747
Speaker 2: It's up to Nepple to improve their own game. And

845
00:45:54,787 --> 00:45:56,987
Speaker 2: then they'll have Sky knocking on their door. They'll be

846
00:45:57,107 --> 00:46:00,267
Speaker 2: knocking it down. Thank you. Greg. Brendon asks if we

847
00:46:00,307 --> 00:46:03,907
Speaker 2: move the season, when would you play internationals? I'd have

848
00:46:03,947 --> 00:46:05,347
Speaker 2: them at the back end of the year. I'd have

849
00:46:05,387 --> 00:46:09,787
Speaker 2: them in November, and Brendan says, I think the simple

850
00:46:09,787 --> 00:46:12,467
Speaker 2: answer is to go back to a trans tancement competition league.

851
00:46:12,507 --> 00:46:14,467
Speaker 2: Do it football, do it rugby, do it better for TV,

852
00:46:14,587 --> 00:46:19,107
Speaker 2: better for crowds, and then play internationals afterwards and final

853
00:46:19,187 --> 00:46:22,387
Speaker 2: one here. Knitball looked at the rules a few years ago,

854
00:46:22,507 --> 00:46:25,067
Speaker 2: but they were concerned that it got it too close

855
00:46:25,147 --> 00:46:31,907
Speaker 2: to the European game called corfball. Netball is a bit

856
00:46:31,907 --> 00:46:34,547
Speaker 2: of a dying game and it has too much whistle.

857
00:46:34,947 --> 00:46:36,387
Speaker 2: I think that's the other thing you hear about netble,

858
00:46:36,387 --> 00:46:41,907
Speaker 2: isn't it too much whistle? Anyway, A good discussion. Thank

859
00:46:41,947 --> 00:46:44,907
Speaker 2: you for all of your calls, correspondence and feedback on it.

860
00:46:44,947 --> 00:46:47,387
Speaker 2: No doubt there'll be more to come. As I said,

861
00:46:47,547 --> 00:46:49,867
Speaker 2: to put a cap on all of this, we all

862
00:46:49,907 --> 00:46:52,467
Speaker 2: want the sport to survive. We all want. I mean,

863
00:46:52,467 --> 00:46:55,027
Speaker 2: if you're listening to this show, you're at least interested

864
00:46:55,067 --> 00:46:58,027
Speaker 2: in sport. I think we all want all sport to

865
00:46:58,067 --> 00:47:02,347
Speaker 2: do well. And netball has done tremendously well down the years,

866
00:47:03,067 --> 00:47:07,587
Speaker 2: and it's provided us with world championship moments, games moments,

867
00:47:07,667 --> 00:47:12,347
Speaker 2: high drama, some of our great athletes, and we want

868
00:47:12,347 --> 00:47:16,227
Speaker 2: that to continue. So let's hope that that can occur.

869
00:47:17,107 --> 00:47:21,547
Speaker 2: Speaking of top athletes, the thirty three strong squad tasked

870
00:47:21,587 --> 00:47:24,667
Speaker 2: with defending the Black Ferns title as Rugby World Cup

871
00:47:24,747 --> 00:47:28,667
Speaker 2: champions has been announced. Not too many surprises in the

872
00:47:28,667 --> 00:47:32,307
Speaker 2: squad named in Wellington last night. The main talking point

873
00:47:32,707 --> 00:47:35,587
Speaker 2: was the o mission of outside back Ruby Toohey. She's

874
00:47:35,627 --> 00:47:38,427
Speaker 2: featured only once off the bench for the team this year,

875
00:47:38,547 --> 00:47:41,387
Speaker 2: after being a pretty integral part of the team that

876
00:47:41,467 --> 00:47:43,307
Speaker 2: won the World Cup at the back end of twenty

877
00:47:43,347 --> 00:47:46,027
Speaker 2: twenty two. No room for her in the outside backs,

878
00:47:46,067 --> 00:47:50,787
Speaker 2: the selectors instead opting for Porscha Woodman, Wickliffe, Renee Holmes,

879
00:47:50,827 --> 00:47:56,827
Speaker 2: Asha Lettiinger, Caitlin colel and Braxton Sorenson McGee. Veteran Cali

880
00:47:56,907 --> 00:47:59,547
Speaker 2: Brazier has earned a place. She's the backup first five

881
00:47:59,707 --> 00:48:03,627
Speaker 2: to co captain Auola Hey Dumont. She's only played Cali

882
00:48:03,667 --> 00:48:06,347
Speaker 2: Brazier twice for the Black Ferns since twenty twenty one,

883
00:48:06,467 --> 00:48:09,507
Speaker 2: but has done enough to convince the selectors they needed

884
00:48:09,507 --> 00:48:11,907
Speaker 2: her in the squad for what will be her fourth

885
00:48:12,307 --> 00:48:14,907
Speaker 2: World Cup. I was lucky enough to be at the

886
00:48:15,467 --> 00:48:18,907
Speaker 2: squad announcement yesterday out in Upper Huts and it was

887
00:48:18,947 --> 00:48:21,747
Speaker 2: a terrific occasion. I have to say it was very

888
00:48:21,747 --> 00:48:25,507
Speaker 2: family focused. All of the players came into the room

889
00:48:25,507 --> 00:48:28,547
Speaker 2: and up onto the stage accompanied by a family member.

890
00:48:29,147 --> 00:48:29,547
Speaker 4: There was.

891
00:48:31,027 --> 00:48:34,187
Speaker 2: A real family feel to the whole thing and genuine excitement.

892
00:48:34,227 --> 00:48:36,707
Speaker 2: I think about this team, even though they won't go

893
00:48:36,827 --> 00:48:39,347
Speaker 2: to the World Cup as favorites, I've got a lot

894
00:48:39,347 --> 00:48:41,947
Speaker 2: of work to do to try and defend it, particularly

895
00:48:42,027 --> 00:48:45,027
Speaker 2: against a very very strong England side who will be

896
00:48:45,107 --> 00:48:47,987
Speaker 2: on home soil. But there was a real sense of

897
00:48:47,987 --> 00:48:50,907
Speaker 2: optimism in the room yesterday about their ability to do that.

898
00:48:50,947 --> 00:48:53,227
Speaker 2: I caught up with a few of the players during

899
00:48:53,267 --> 00:48:58,387
Speaker 2: the event. One of those was Hurricane's poor winger Asha Letti,

900
00:48:58,467 --> 00:49:01,027
Speaker 2: ainger who was off to her second World Cup. So

901
00:49:01,027 --> 00:49:02,067
Speaker 2: hows she feeling about that?

902
00:49:02,747 --> 00:49:07,067
Speaker 12: Overwhelmed with the motions. I guess doing this in my

903
00:49:07,147 --> 00:49:09,227
Speaker 12: hometown in Wellington and I get to have all my

904
00:49:09,307 --> 00:49:12,427
Speaker 12: family here and to go to another World Cup again

905
00:49:12,627 --> 00:49:15,427
Speaker 12: is yeah? It to pinch me moment all over again.

906
00:49:15,747 --> 00:49:17,467
Speaker 2: It hasn't been a straight line for you either, has it?

907
00:49:17,587 --> 00:49:19,507
Speaker 2: Since the last World Cup? How do you reflect back

908
00:49:19,547 --> 00:49:21,427
Speaker 2: on that time out of the game that what nearly

909
00:49:21,467 --> 00:49:22,307
Speaker 2: two years?

910
00:49:23,267 --> 00:49:23,507
Speaker 11: Yeah?

911
00:49:23,587 --> 00:49:28,507
Speaker 12: I guess with my injury, doing my ac hour kind

912
00:49:28,507 --> 00:49:30,107
Speaker 12: of made me more hungry to come back for the

913
00:49:30,147 --> 00:49:32,907
Speaker 12: squad and to even make the World Cup squad again.

914
00:49:33,027 --> 00:49:35,507
Speaker 12: So that was always my goal, my driving god to

915
00:49:35,507 --> 00:49:37,467
Speaker 12: get back. So yeah, pretty stoked.

916
00:49:37,787 --> 00:49:39,587
Speaker 2: What's that? What sort of kept you going in those

917
00:49:39,667 --> 00:49:42,547
Speaker 2: darker moments? Were you able to look ahead to twenty

918
00:49:42,587 --> 00:49:44,627
Speaker 2: twenty five and think, right, that's what I'm aiming for.

919
00:49:45,547 --> 00:49:49,067
Speaker 12: I guess with injury comes challenges, and one of those

920
00:49:49,107 --> 00:49:51,027
Speaker 12: is south doubt will you ever play like how you

921
00:49:51,147 --> 00:49:55,107
Speaker 12: used to? But my goal was always to make another

922
00:49:55,107 --> 00:49:59,947
Speaker 12: World Cup again, so there was the driving force for everything,

923
00:49:59,987 --> 00:50:02,947
Speaker 12: and also my family as well. Although I was injured,

924
00:50:03,187 --> 00:50:05,587
Speaker 12: it gave me time with family just to refresh, to

925
00:50:05,587 --> 00:50:05,987
Speaker 12: come back.

926
00:50:06,427 --> 00:50:08,867
Speaker 2: Are you back to where you were? Is that how

927
00:50:08,867 --> 00:50:10,507
Speaker 2: you feel? Oh?

928
00:50:10,547 --> 00:50:13,907
Speaker 12: If I'm being honest, I think I'm better than what

929
00:50:14,107 --> 00:50:19,427
Speaker 12: I was. I'm in better shape mentally and physically. So yeah,

930
00:50:19,507 --> 00:50:21,027
Speaker 12: let's go and win another World Cup.

931
00:50:21,227 --> 00:50:23,507
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. How often do you

932
00:50:23,507 --> 00:50:25,307
Speaker 2: think back to twenty twenty two, the last one? I

933
00:50:25,307 --> 00:50:27,107
Speaker 2: know you've got to put it behind you at some stage,

934
00:50:27,107 --> 00:50:28,427
Speaker 2: but how often do you think back to that night?

935
00:50:29,107 --> 00:50:31,387
Speaker 12: You can never put that behind you. I guess when

936
00:50:31,387 --> 00:50:33,067
Speaker 12: do you ever play a World Cup at home, right

937
00:50:33,107 --> 00:50:36,347
Speaker 12: in front of your families and just their last moment

938
00:50:37,027 --> 00:50:40,507
Speaker 12: with Jonah getting that last line out? They will always

939
00:50:40,587 --> 00:50:42,747
Speaker 12: replay my head and every time I rewatched the game,

940
00:50:42,787 --> 00:50:44,027
Speaker 12: I always create the inside.

941
00:50:44,107 --> 00:50:46,427
Speaker 2: Yeah, Asie, And you look at the outside backs in

942
00:50:46,467 --> 00:50:49,467
Speaker 2: this team, it's stacked, man, there are some talented outside backs.

943
00:50:50,067 --> 00:50:52,027
Speaker 2: How do you balance up eron mots to play but

944
00:50:52,147 --> 00:50:53,227
Speaker 2: doing what's best for this team?

945
00:50:54,027 --> 00:50:56,827
Speaker 12: I guess we all know our role in this team, man.

946
00:50:57,467 --> 00:51:00,307
Speaker 12: I know selections will be based off who was better

947
00:51:00,627 --> 00:51:03,707
Speaker 12: for the team that we play against, and we're just

948
00:51:04,027 --> 00:51:06,227
Speaker 12: trying to make each other better. And it's all healthy

949
00:51:06,467 --> 00:51:07,227
Speaker 12: susion out there.

950
00:51:07,507 --> 00:51:09,067
Speaker 2: And there's word up on the stage that you're sort

951
00:51:09,067 --> 00:51:11,627
Speaker 2: of the spark plugging this team I know you yelled

952
00:51:11,627 --> 00:51:13,427
Speaker 2: out that you weren't. You're actually quite shy. It didn't

953
00:51:13,427 --> 00:51:15,067
Speaker 2: seem like it. What do you can you talk a

954
00:51:15,107 --> 00:51:17,227
Speaker 2: bit about the culture off the field in this Black

955
00:51:17,267 --> 00:51:18,427
Speaker 2: Fils team.

956
00:51:18,547 --> 00:51:20,587
Speaker 12: I guess you could say the girth a pretty a

957
00:51:20,667 --> 00:51:24,027
Speaker 12: tiny group. We all come from big family so it's

958
00:51:24,027 --> 00:51:26,667
Speaker 12: pretty easy to mingle against each other. But also we're

959
00:51:26,667 --> 00:51:29,387
Speaker 12: together for long periods of time, so we only have

960
00:51:29,507 --> 00:51:33,067
Speaker 12: each other. We actually enjoy each other's company off field.

961
00:51:33,667 --> 00:51:36,107
Speaker 12: We love good board games and stuff like that, and

962
00:51:36,147 --> 00:51:37,067
Speaker 12: we love to have a laugh.

963
00:51:37,147 --> 00:51:39,147
Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, you reckon this team can go

964
00:51:39,187 --> 00:51:40,787
Speaker 2: back to back, why not?

965
00:51:40,947 --> 00:51:41,227
Speaker 7: Right?

966
00:51:43,707 --> 00:51:44,867
Speaker 2: Of course it will be a challenge.

967
00:51:44,907 --> 00:51:48,507
Speaker 12: We're playing England at their home turf, but we're up

968
00:51:48,507 --> 00:51:49,147
Speaker 12: for their challenge.

969
00:51:49,187 --> 00:51:53,587
Speaker 2: So yeah. That is Asha Littiinge, who was a big

970
00:51:53,627 --> 00:51:56,547
Speaker 2: star at the last World Cup when New Zealand won

971
00:51:56,707 --> 00:51:59,147
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, then had that long lail with injury.

972
00:51:59,187 --> 00:52:01,827
Speaker 2: Great to have her back and fit and firing by

973
00:52:01,827 --> 00:52:03,667
Speaker 2: the sounds of it, and her words are better than

974
00:52:03,707 --> 00:52:06,787
Speaker 2: she was before. Also spoke with co captain. Although I

975
00:52:06,827 --> 00:52:10,587
Speaker 2: hate Dumont, the veteran of forty five test matches, I

976
00:52:10,627 --> 00:52:13,787
Speaker 2: asked her if she remembered the feeling of being selected

977
00:52:13,827 --> 00:52:17,067
Speaker 2: for her first World Cup as many of her teammates

978
00:52:17,547 --> 00:52:18,907
Speaker 2: experienced yesterday.

979
00:52:19,667 --> 00:52:22,267
Speaker 13: Yeah, I remember I missed the car because I was

980
00:52:22,307 --> 00:52:24,987
Speaker 13: on a flight, so I got a text when I

981
00:52:25,107 --> 00:52:27,267
Speaker 13: turned my phone back off flight mode.

982
00:52:27,947 --> 00:52:32,267
Speaker 14: And the overwhelming.

983
00:52:31,787 --> 00:52:33,627
Speaker 13: Disbelief, you know, when you have a goal and you

984
00:52:33,707 --> 00:52:36,227
Speaker 13: work so hard towards it and for so long that

985
00:52:36,387 --> 00:52:40,507
Speaker 13: goal seems like it's out of reach, and so to

986
00:52:40,547 --> 00:52:42,827
Speaker 13: be named for the first time is a feeling I'll

987
00:52:42,867 --> 00:52:44,907
Speaker 13: never forget. And I see that when I look at

988
00:52:44,907 --> 00:52:49,147
Speaker 13: my teammates who are experiencing their first time, you know,

989
00:52:49,227 --> 00:52:53,307
Speaker 13: and just see the happiness, the tears, and to cap

990
00:52:53,307 --> 00:52:56,547
Speaker 13: it off with our family being here just makes this

991
00:52:56,627 --> 00:52:59,987
Speaker 13: moment so much more real and so much more.

992
00:53:01,467 --> 00:53:02,107
Speaker 7: Full circle.

993
00:53:02,147 --> 00:53:02,427
Speaker 1: I guess.

994
00:53:02,827 --> 00:53:04,907
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going to get real pretty quick, isn't it?

995
00:53:04,947 --> 00:53:06,747
Speaker 2: When you I think you're another week was here and

996
00:53:06,787 --> 00:53:08,147
Speaker 2: then you're on the plane and away you go. In

997
00:53:08,187 --> 00:53:10,627
Speaker 2: a month or so, you'll be out there. How ready

998
00:53:10,627 --> 00:53:13,667
Speaker 2: do you feel to defend the World Cup? Yeah?

999
00:53:13,667 --> 00:53:16,467
Speaker 13: I think the beauty of the World Cup is that

1000
00:53:18,947 --> 00:53:20,547
Speaker 13: you kind of want to peek at the right time,

1001
00:53:20,627 --> 00:53:23,587
Speaker 13: you know what I mean, Like I have full confidence

1002
00:53:23,787 --> 00:53:27,027
Speaker 13: and trust in our team that we will be exactly

1003
00:53:27,027 --> 00:53:29,387
Speaker 13: where we need to be when we need to be there.

1004
00:53:29,947 --> 00:53:32,787
Speaker 2: I hope that answers your question. It answers it perfectly.

1005
00:53:32,867 --> 00:53:36,267
Speaker 2: It's a great answer. The blend of youth and experience

1006
00:53:36,307 --> 00:53:38,787
Speaker 2: in the team. It was talked about up there on stage.

1007
00:53:39,427 --> 00:53:41,707
Speaker 2: How crucial is that in a World Cup? Is you

1008
00:53:41,787 --> 00:53:44,307
Speaker 2: need those who have been there before for those who

1009
00:53:44,347 --> 00:53:46,547
Speaker 2: are a little bit naive really and just play without

1010
00:53:46,587 --> 00:53:47,187
Speaker 2: bear Oh?

1011
00:53:47,267 --> 00:53:49,987
Speaker 13: I think those players that in some cases are even

1012
00:53:50,027 --> 00:53:52,707
Speaker 13: more important than the players who have been there, done

1013
00:53:52,707 --> 00:53:55,507
Speaker 13: it before and know what to expect. I think of

1014
00:53:55,627 --> 00:53:59,667
Speaker 13: players like Young Bay, one of the new props within

1015
00:53:59,707 --> 00:54:04,667
Speaker 13: our team, who hasn't played many tests, and she reminds

1016
00:54:04,707 --> 00:54:07,627
Speaker 13: me of many of us who experienced self first World

1017
00:54:07,627 --> 00:54:10,787
Speaker 13: Cup back in twenty twenty two, and just the excitement

1018
00:54:10,827 --> 00:54:13,067
Speaker 13: that we had walking towards anything and nothing was seen

1019
00:54:13,067 --> 00:54:15,987
Speaker 13: as pressure because it was a privileged pressure, and we

1020
00:54:16,027 --> 00:54:19,227
Speaker 13: flip that into enjoyment. And that's what I see when

1021
00:54:19,227 --> 00:54:22,627
Speaker 13: I look at my teammates who who are inexperienced when

1022
00:54:22,627 --> 00:54:25,707
Speaker 13: it comes to World Cups, they have their youthful enthusiasm

1023
00:54:26,227 --> 00:54:29,987
Speaker 13: and welcome and embrace every challenge as an opportunity and

1024
00:54:30,027 --> 00:54:33,747
Speaker 13: as something to be celebrated. Yeah, so it's extremely important

1025
00:54:33,787 --> 00:54:37,147
Speaker 13: and one of our values is stoy and those players

1026
00:54:37,147 --> 00:54:38,947
Speaker 13: bring joy to those moments where some of us have

1027
00:54:39,027 --> 00:54:41,387
Speaker 13: experienced and before. It kind of remind us what it's

1028
00:54:41,467 --> 00:54:43,187
Speaker 13: like and how it should feel.

1029
00:54:43,667 --> 00:54:46,867
Speaker 2: That's amazing. But of course, you know, cool heads under

1030
00:54:46,867 --> 00:54:49,707
Speaker 2: pressure are needed and that's where experience does come. And

1031
00:54:49,747 --> 00:54:51,627
Speaker 2: you're going to be guiding this team around from the

1032
00:54:51,667 --> 00:54:54,387
Speaker 2: ten jersey most probably are you ready for that challenge?

1033
00:54:54,387 --> 00:54:57,227
Speaker 2: How do you feel about the responsibility of doing that again?

1034
00:54:57,667 --> 00:55:01,307
Speaker 13: I feel excited first of all that I'm even here

1035
00:55:01,867 --> 00:55:06,107
Speaker 13: and I'm able to dome this jersey and guide this team.

1036
00:55:06,467 --> 00:55:09,387
Speaker 13: It's a privilege that I don't take for granted, so

1037
00:55:09,507 --> 00:55:14,067
Speaker 13: I'm excited at that. I feel that our coaching staff

1038
00:55:14,107 --> 00:55:16,787
Speaker 13: have worked really hard behind the scenes to make sure

1039
00:55:16,787 --> 00:55:18,267
Speaker 13: that we have a game plan.

1040
00:55:18,067 --> 00:55:19,387
Speaker 2: Where we're really adaptable.

1041
00:55:19,747 --> 00:55:22,987
Speaker 13: We're able to shape opposition and understand, you know, solutions

1042
00:55:22,987 --> 00:55:25,667
Speaker 13: to different pictures. Our analysts is another awesome guy who

1043
00:55:25,667 --> 00:55:28,307
Speaker 13: works behind the scenes. He does a lot of scouting

1044
00:55:28,347 --> 00:55:30,187
Speaker 13: for us and identifies with the opportunities, you know, like

1045
00:55:30,227 --> 00:55:34,507
Speaker 13: many analysts do, and so it makes our jobs as

1046
00:55:34,507 --> 00:55:36,187
Speaker 13: players on the field. It makes my job as a

1047
00:55:36,187 --> 00:55:40,027
Speaker 13: game driver so much more easier. That we have plan A,

1048
00:55:40,227 --> 00:55:43,907
Speaker 13: Plan B, Plan C. And we've experimented with a lot

1049
00:55:43,907 --> 00:55:45,667
Speaker 13: of those plans this year. Some have come off and

1050
00:55:45,747 --> 00:55:48,427
Speaker 13: some haven't, and we've had a lot of time to prepare.

1051
00:55:49,427 --> 00:55:50,987
Speaker 13: Like you said, we've got another week and a half

1052
00:55:50,987 --> 00:55:53,747
Speaker 13: here in Wellington where we're still assembled as a squad

1053
00:55:54,507 --> 00:55:57,667
Speaker 13: and training, and we get more time to get those

1054
00:55:57,707 --> 00:56:00,227
Speaker 13: training pictures, iron out a few kinks before we get

1055
00:56:00,267 --> 00:56:02,067
Speaker 13: on the plane and head over for our first game.

1056
00:56:02,587 --> 00:56:05,707
Speaker 2: And obviously everybody's talking about England, and rightly so, they're

1057
00:56:05,867 --> 00:56:08,987
Speaker 2: very good. But are you able to look at this

1058
00:56:09,067 --> 00:56:11,787
Speaker 2: as not just you against England? It's an act, actual tournament.

1059
00:56:11,787 --> 00:56:13,387
Speaker 2: You want to get to the final first, right, So

1060
00:56:13,987 --> 00:56:16,427
Speaker 2: can you approach it game by game? Is that actually possible?

1061
00:56:16,587 --> 00:56:17,107
Speaker 2: I think so.

1062
00:56:17,387 --> 00:56:20,307
Speaker 13: I mean, for us, we've got so big third in

1063
00:56:20,347 --> 00:56:22,867
Speaker 13: our poolers Ireland, and so that's the first one for us.

1064
00:56:22,947 --> 00:56:25,547
Speaker 13: You know, we also know that well England is, yes,

1065
00:56:25,547 --> 00:56:27,627
Speaker 13: a very good team. Can there's also another great team

1066
00:56:27,667 --> 00:56:29,867
Speaker 13: that we've had opportunity to play in the last few months,

1067
00:56:30,667 --> 00:56:32,867
Speaker 13: and potentially we might have the opportunity to then play

1068
00:56:32,867 --> 00:56:37,387
Speaker 13: a game before that, before that final. So I think

1069
00:56:37,427 --> 00:56:40,267
Speaker 13: it is still a game by game approach, and while

1070
00:56:40,347 --> 00:56:44,427
Speaker 13: some you can kind of thank that you'll most likely,

1071
00:56:45,147 --> 00:56:46,987
Speaker 13: you know, get the dub, in some games, there's still

1072
00:56:47,027 --> 00:56:49,307
Speaker 13: a lot of preparation as you look forward towards some

1073
00:56:49,347 --> 00:56:52,307
Speaker 13: of those harder games and take those games game by game.

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00:56:53,147 --> 00:56:55,707
Speaker 2: Do you still feel the same excitement that a young girl, oh,

1075
00:56:55,827 --> 00:56:57,467
Speaker 2: hey DeMont felt when you got off the plane and

1076
00:56:57,507 --> 00:56:58,347
Speaker 2: got the text that day?

1077
00:56:58,507 --> 00:56:58,667
Speaker 12: Oh?

1078
00:56:58,747 --> 00:57:03,787
Speaker 13: I still do, and it's probably exacerbated by just the

1079
00:57:03,867 --> 00:57:07,307
Speaker 13: magnificence of this event. I remember, you know, I recorded

1080
00:57:07,347 --> 00:57:09,827
Speaker 13: back to the last World Cup team naming and not

1081
00:57:09,907 --> 00:57:12,947
Speaker 13: even all the team was there, you know, it was

1082
00:57:13,027 --> 00:57:17,627
Speaker 13: just another day. Our finos weren't there. And so the

1083
00:57:18,107 --> 00:57:21,507
Speaker 13: time and the effort that's gone into making this particulars

1084
00:57:21,587 --> 00:57:25,507
Speaker 13: what announcement the extra special. It does bring back those

1085
00:57:25,547 --> 00:57:28,987
Speaker 13: feelings and emotions and excitement of being named for the

1086
00:57:29,027 --> 00:57:29,467
Speaker 13: first time.

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Speaker 2: For me, go, well, everybody is behind you. Thank you

1088
00:57:32,547 --> 00:57:35,907
Speaker 2: so much, Jason DeMont. Hope you can hear okay over

1089
00:57:35,947 --> 00:57:38,027
Speaker 2: the background music there, I think we got it. Okay.

1090
00:57:39,307 --> 00:57:42,987
Speaker 2: That was a particular complication of the media segments of

1091
00:57:43,027 --> 00:57:46,707
Speaker 2: the event yesterday was that they had the official part

1092
00:57:46,747 --> 00:57:48,707
Speaker 2: when the team came in and up on the stage

1093
00:57:48,787 --> 00:57:51,147
Speaker 2: and it was you know, it was very cool and

1094
00:57:51,467 --> 00:57:53,067
Speaker 2: you know official sort of Q and A up on

1095
00:57:53,107 --> 00:57:57,627
Speaker 2: the stage with Ricky Swanell, the you know, the best

1096
00:57:57,907 --> 00:58:00,147
Speaker 2: women's rugby commentator going around, if hat one of the

1097
00:58:00,147 --> 00:58:03,347
Speaker 2: best commentators full stop going around. She spoke to and

1098
00:58:03,347 --> 00:58:07,067
Speaker 2: also a couple of the other players, coach Yellen Bunting

1099
00:58:07,107 --> 00:58:09,107
Speaker 2: as well. And then when they broke up for our

1100
00:58:09,227 --> 00:58:12,467
Speaker 2: chance to do media, they put the music on, So yeah,

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00:58:12,467 --> 00:58:15,067
Speaker 2: I hope you could hear duahe and Ashia okay there

1102
00:58:15,467 --> 00:58:19,547
Speaker 2: as you came to get your thoughts on, your expectations,

1103
00:58:19,547 --> 00:58:22,467
Speaker 2: your hopes for the Black Ferns as they head off

1104
00:58:22,507 --> 00:58:26,107
Speaker 2: to defend their World Cup title. We all remember that

1105
00:58:26,227 --> 00:58:29,827
Speaker 2: magnificent night the back end of twenty twenty two. Remember

1106
00:58:29,867 --> 00:58:31,187
Speaker 2: it was put off by a year. It was actually

1107
00:58:31,227 --> 00:58:34,627
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one Women's Rugby World Cup played in

1108
00:58:34,707 --> 00:58:39,347
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and Joanna nan Wou winning that line

1109
00:58:39,387 --> 00:58:41,267
Speaker 2: out right at the end, and the scenes of other

1110
00:58:41,387 --> 00:58:44,427
Speaker 2: jubilation in front of a packed house at Eden Park.

1111
00:58:46,067 --> 00:58:48,707
Speaker 2: They're not favorite this time, but they weren't then either.

1112
00:58:48,867 --> 00:58:51,987
Speaker 2: I think England were favorite for that tournament as well

1113
00:58:53,387 --> 00:58:56,787
Speaker 2: on home soil. Maybe that was what New Zealand needed

1114
00:58:56,787 --> 00:58:58,347
Speaker 2: to get the job done that night. It's going to

1115
00:58:58,387 --> 00:58:59,987
Speaker 2: be a heck of a lot harder to repeat that

1116
00:59:00,067 --> 00:59:04,147
Speaker 2: dose at Twickenham. But what chance do you get them,

1117
00:59:04,187 --> 00:59:07,267
Speaker 2: are you? I mean, it's still the way. We're probably

1118
00:59:07,267 --> 00:59:09,667
Speaker 2: not going to get fully invested in this tournament until

1119
00:59:09,667 --> 00:59:12,067
Speaker 2: they start playing. But you look at the squad that

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00:59:12,107 --> 00:59:14,027
Speaker 2: was named yesterday, and the very fact that the main

1121
00:59:14,067 --> 00:59:18,107
Speaker 2: talking point was the omission of Ruby Toohey shows just

1122
00:59:18,227 --> 00:59:24,347
Speaker 2: how many potent outside backs we have playing women's rugby.

1123
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Speaker 2: Now you look at the outside backs who were named

1124
00:59:27,427 --> 00:59:30,787
Speaker 2: yesterday and you think who actually would drop out if

1125
00:59:30,827 --> 00:59:34,187
Speaker 2: you wanted to get Ruby Towey in there. Poorsha Woodman

1126
00:59:34,267 --> 00:59:37,387
Speaker 2: Wickliffe absolutely not. I mean, obviously you're not going to

1127
00:59:37,427 --> 00:59:45,107
Speaker 2: drop her, Asha Letiainger, Caitlin Vaha, Acolo, Braxton Soarence and McGee,

1128
00:59:45,187 --> 00:59:49,907
Speaker 2: this precocious young talent out of the Blues who was

1129
00:59:50,027 --> 00:59:54,387
Speaker 2: terrific during Super Rugby OPICKI and has absolutely earned her spot.

1130
00:59:54,787 --> 00:59:57,227
Speaker 2: And Renee Holmes this is the other one who's played

1131
00:59:57,227 --> 01:00:00,587
Speaker 2: a lot of rugby for New Zealand and adds that

1132
01:00:00,627 --> 01:00:04,827
Speaker 2: little bit of experience. So who would you have dropped

1133
01:00:04,867 --> 01:00:06,507
Speaker 2: out if you were going to get ruby t who

1134
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Speaker 2: were in there? I don't think you can drop any

1135
01:00:07,947 --> 01:00:12,187
Speaker 2: of those five and those are the decisions that coaches

1136
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Speaker 2: are paid to make. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

1137
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Speaker 2: out If you want to talk some black ferns, we

1138
01:00:17,427 --> 01:00:20,667
Speaker 2: don't get the opportunity very often. We'll obviously focus fairly

1139
01:00:20,707 --> 01:00:22,707
Speaker 2: closely on them when the tournament starts. But if you've

1140
01:00:22,707 --> 01:00:25,987
Speaker 2: got any thoughts on your levels of optimism for this

1141
01:00:26,107 --> 01:00:27,867
Speaker 2: black fern side as they head off to the UK

1142
01:00:27,987 --> 01:00:30,227
Speaker 2: in a month or so to take on the world

1143
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Speaker 2: and look to defend the Women's World Cup, love to

1144
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Speaker 2: hear them. Oh eight one hundred eighty ten eighty nine

1145
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Speaker 1: The Voice of Sport on your Home of Sport Weekend

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Speaker 2: Adam Peacock before two talking some black ferns and keen

1168
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Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts. On eight hundred and eighty ten

1169
01:02:05,667 --> 01:02:07,667
Speaker 2: eighty A bunch coming through on text, which I'm going

1170
01:02:07,747 --> 01:02:09,827
Speaker 2: to get to just in terms of what lies ahead

1171
01:02:09,827 --> 01:02:13,787
Speaker 2: for the Black Ferns, their schedule for the World Cup.

1172
01:02:13,787 --> 01:02:15,987
Speaker 2: The World Cup's are pretty simple format. There are sixteen

1173
01:02:16,067 --> 01:02:19,627
Speaker 2: teams in four groups of four. You play everybody in

1174
01:02:19,667 --> 01:02:21,907
Speaker 2: your group, so full round robin, so you play three

1175
01:02:21,987 --> 01:02:24,347
Speaker 2: games and then the top through a top two in

1176
01:02:24,347 --> 01:02:27,987
Speaker 2: each paul go through to the quarterfinals, semis and the final.

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Speaker 2: So in New Zealand's pool we have Ireland, Japan and Spain.

1178
01:02:34,827 --> 01:02:39,667
Speaker 2: So Ireland, obviously, as a DeMont said, there are the

1179
01:02:39,747 --> 01:02:43,707
Speaker 2: one who potentially present the biggest threat. There was a

1180
01:02:43,747 --> 01:02:45,827
Speaker 2: game against Ireland. I'm just trying to remember when it

1181
01:02:45,987 --> 01:02:49,707
Speaker 2: was where it was either a draw or they beat us.

1182
01:02:49,907 --> 01:02:52,387
Speaker 2: Now they beat us at the back end of last

1183
01:02:52,467 --> 01:02:56,107
Speaker 2: year twenty nine to twenty seven. Ireland beat us the

1184
01:02:56,187 --> 01:02:59,347
Speaker 2: last time we played them, so they are absolutely not

1185
01:03:00,227 --> 01:03:04,547
Speaker 2: a walk in the park. So Ireland are in our sites.

1186
01:03:04,987 --> 01:03:09,027
Speaker 2: In terms of the schedule our Black Ferns, their first

1187
01:03:09,027 --> 01:03:11,067
Speaker 2: game is against Spain four point thirty in the morning

1188
01:03:11,067 --> 01:03:14,427
Speaker 2: that's New Zealand time, on Monday, August the twenty fifth.

1189
01:03:14,867 --> 01:03:18,227
Speaker 2: A week later Japan at one o'clock in the morning

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01:03:18,267 --> 01:03:21,587
Speaker 2: on Monday September first, and then a week after that

1191
01:03:21,947 --> 01:03:25,627
Speaker 2: Ireland one forty five in the morning on Monday September

1192
01:03:25,667 --> 01:03:27,027
Speaker 2: the eighth, So they're all sort of in the middle

1193
01:03:27,067 --> 01:03:29,707
Speaker 2: of the night. But as Rickie Swinel said when she

1194
01:03:29,747 --> 01:03:31,907
Speaker 2: was up on stage yesterday, am seeing this whole function.

1195
01:03:32,387 --> 01:03:35,667
Speaker 2: Part of the tradition of watching our national teams is

1196
01:03:35,707 --> 01:03:37,587
Speaker 2: getting up in the middle of the night with your

1197
01:03:37,627 --> 01:03:42,787
Speaker 2: milo or whatever your fancy. So beyond the the pol

1198
01:03:42,827 --> 01:03:47,707
Speaker 2: stages into quarters, semis and on towards hopefully a final,

1199
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Speaker 2: and the final is at Twickenham. Regardless of who was

1200
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Speaker 2: in it and the way the drawer is set up,

1201
01:03:53,907 --> 01:03:58,227
Speaker 2: it is possible that New Zealand could face England in

1202
01:03:58,267 --> 01:04:01,387
Speaker 2: the final of the Women's Rugby World Cup, as they

1203
01:04:01,427 --> 01:04:04,427
Speaker 2: did at the back end of twenty twenty two on

1204
01:04:04,467 --> 01:04:07,987
Speaker 2: that most memorable night. In terms of the final, the date,

1205
01:04:08,267 --> 01:04:12,187
Speaker 2: it's at four o'clock in the morning on Sunday, September

1206
01:04:12,227 --> 01:04:15,467
Speaker 2: twenty eight at Twickenham in London.

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Speaker 11: Hello Kane, Bonnie, cons full of the Black fans, the cons.

1208
01:04:23,587 --> 01:04:26,107
Speaker 11: I saw that Ireland game last year, mate, and they

1209
01:04:26,147 --> 01:04:29,187
Speaker 11: got totally jackled off the ball from the Irish, So

1210
01:04:29,227 --> 01:04:31,307
Speaker 11: we really got to tie up our jackling over the

1211
01:04:31,307 --> 01:04:34,627
Speaker 11: ball because the Northern hemispheres had just got there over

1212
01:04:34,627 --> 01:04:40,107
Speaker 11: the Southern hemisphere. Teams Regon Pros, Torchia Miller, Hew Good

1213
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Speaker 11: and she she's awesome to watch man. She didn't work

1214
01:04:43,947 --> 01:04:49,067
Speaker 11: it to watch Nemesis. The tomo of a funny feeling

1215
01:04:49,067 --> 01:04:51,707
Speaker 11: the TMO is gonna come and spoil the party. He

1216
01:04:51,787 --> 01:04:54,547
Speaker 11: did against Ireland in the game, they're particularly game. I

1217
01:04:54,547 --> 01:04:57,547
Speaker 11: think we had about two or three tries backed up

1218
01:04:57,587 --> 01:04:59,987
Speaker 11: because of the tomo, So look out for that space.

1219
01:05:00,507 --> 01:05:05,827
Speaker 11: But Ruby Chilly, I think Caitlin, young Caitlin Varcolo she

1220
01:05:06,027 --> 01:05:09,507
Speaker 11: missed last year against Ireland and I think it was Canada.

1221
01:05:09,907 --> 01:05:13,987
Speaker 11: She has some pretty easy tackles. I'm thinking that might

1222
01:05:14,027 --> 01:05:15,787
Speaker 11: be just a bit early for you, young Caitlan. I

1223
01:05:15,827 --> 01:05:18,147
Speaker 11: hope she proves me wrong. But you know, mate, when

1224
01:05:18,187 --> 01:05:20,987
Speaker 11: you listen to those stories and world sports, like, you know,

1225
01:05:21,067 --> 01:05:24,507
Speaker 11: you get stories about Michael Jordan. You know, NBA players

1226
01:05:24,587 --> 01:05:26,827
Speaker 11: talking about Michael Jordan, how how much of a dog

1227
01:05:26,947 --> 01:05:28,907
Speaker 11: he was. He was an absolute dog on a tack

1228
01:05:28,947 --> 01:05:32,507
Speaker 11: and defense. And that's what Ruby brings. He's a dog man.

1229
01:05:32,587 --> 01:05:33,107
Speaker 11: She just gets in.

1230
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Speaker 1: She's a monk.

1231
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Speaker 11: She just gives you one hundred and fifty percent and

1232
01:05:36,387 --> 01:05:40,227
Speaker 11: just bleeds for the jersey. Mate says she's a bit unlucky.

1233
01:05:40,227 --> 01:05:41,947
Speaker 11: I hope hopefully she may get a call up. But

1234
01:05:42,227 --> 01:05:44,387
Speaker 11: and then again, I hope Caitlin does prove me wrong

1235
01:05:44,467 --> 01:05:47,547
Speaker 11: in Caitlan School's team tries again, thinking, man, that would

1236
01:05:47,547 --> 01:05:52,827
Speaker 11: be bloody cool and uh, finally, finally, finally, what you're

1237
01:05:52,907 --> 01:05:56,987
Speaker 11: gonna do? Maybe when the's six times world champions Blackburns

1238
01:05:57,507 --> 01:05:59,347
Speaker 11: weren Wow, aren't you baby?

1239
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Speaker 6: Yeah?

1240
01:06:01,347 --> 01:06:04,987
Speaker 2: I want to finished always theatrical with you, Mate, Thanks

1241
01:06:05,027 --> 01:06:09,347
Speaker 2: and Date, I appreciate it. On Ruby Tooey, she could

1242
01:06:09,387 --> 01:06:13,947
Speaker 2: easily have just not turned up yesterday because she's not

1243
01:06:13,987 --> 01:06:16,467
Speaker 2: in the team, wasn't named in the team. But in

1244
01:06:16,547 --> 01:06:19,107
Speaker 2: amongst the crowd there were members of the wider training

1245
01:06:19,187 --> 01:06:24,467
Speaker 2: squad who have been involved in the build up to

1246
01:06:24,507 --> 01:06:27,267
Speaker 2: the World Cup. Ruby Tooey was there. I could see her.

1247
01:06:28,067 --> 01:06:31,467
Speaker 2: She was in the crowd and cheering as loudly for

1248
01:06:31,587 --> 01:06:38,027
Speaker 2: those players as anyone else in that crowd. And there's

1249
01:06:38,067 --> 01:06:40,467
Speaker 2: been suggestions, and I don't know where these have come from,

1250
01:06:40,587 --> 01:06:44,987
Speaker 2: that there is some sort of personality clash when it

1251
01:06:45,027 --> 01:06:47,867
Speaker 2: comes to Ruby Towey. She seems to me to be

1252
01:06:48,027 --> 01:06:53,267
Speaker 2: the most inclusive, the most collegial, the most team focused

1253
01:06:53,347 --> 01:06:57,467
Speaker 2: player I've ever seen. And yet she would have been

1254
01:06:57,587 --> 01:07:00,307
Speaker 2: naturally disappointed not to be on the plane. Of course,

1255
01:07:00,627 --> 01:07:06,587
Speaker 2: who wouldn't be. When you when you set your art

1256
01:07:06,667 --> 01:07:10,667
Speaker 2: on something and then you don't hear your name called out,

1257
01:07:11,187 --> 01:07:13,827
Speaker 2: of course you're going to be disappointed. But the mark

1258
01:07:13,867 --> 01:07:15,947
Speaker 2: of Ruby Twey for me yesterday was the way that

1259
01:07:16,107 --> 01:07:21,867
Speaker 2: she had this total team first mentality, whatever is best

1260
01:07:21,947 --> 01:07:24,867
Speaker 2: for the team, and who knows injuries happen? You know

1261
01:07:25,347 --> 01:07:28,467
Speaker 2: you only need one injury in those five players I

1262
01:07:28,547 --> 01:07:31,867
Speaker 2: mentioned before, and Ruby Twey is next cab off the rank.

1263
01:07:32,387 --> 01:07:35,867
Speaker 2: She's the next person on the plane. And history is littered,

1264
01:07:36,627 --> 01:07:42,707
Speaker 2: littered with examples of players from outside squads, well outside squads,

1265
01:07:43,947 --> 01:07:49,147
Speaker 2: coming in at vital moments and providing iconic memories for

1266
01:07:49,267 --> 01:07:51,547
Speaker 2: us all jeep, as we had one a week ago

1267
01:07:52,347 --> 01:07:56,427
Speaker 2: in Hamilton by the name of Stephen Donald. So who

1268
01:07:56,507 --> 01:07:59,787
Speaker 2: knows what might happen when they when they get over there.

1269
01:08:00,507 --> 01:08:05,187
Speaker 2: Back I'll back the black Fern, says Michael Nice and

1270
01:08:05,267 --> 01:08:08,307
Speaker 2: Michael I enjoy getting your texts things. Indeed, a Lee

1271
01:08:08,427 --> 01:08:12,067
Speaker 2: says it seems the way Henny know how to pivot

1272
01:08:13,427 --> 01:08:17,907
Speaker 2: on the omission of Ruby history shows how legends old

1273
01:08:18,107 --> 01:08:21,107
Speaker 2: or injured, bring true value. I love Ruby. S's a

1274
01:08:21,187 --> 01:08:24,107
Speaker 2: gem I can really relate to. That's the other part

1275
01:08:24,147 --> 01:08:25,907
Speaker 2: of this as well. And I'm not sure that there

1276
01:08:26,027 --> 01:08:29,627
Speaker 2: is any room really for sentiment in selecting a squad.

1277
01:08:30,427 --> 01:08:33,627
Speaker 2: But I often think when there's a squad going to

1278
01:08:33,707 --> 01:08:37,027
Speaker 2: a tournament and this squad is thirty two, that's thirty

1279
01:08:37,107 --> 01:08:39,707
Speaker 2: three with a non traveling reserve, but thirty two of

1280
01:08:39,747 --> 01:08:42,347
Speaker 2: them will get over there, and all things being equal,

1281
01:08:42,427 --> 01:08:45,507
Speaker 2: you'd have to think that that there will be players

1282
01:08:45,507 --> 01:08:49,467
Speaker 2: who don't play, who don't get the opportunity because from

1283
01:08:49,507 --> 01:08:51,947
Speaker 2: the start you really want you well, they've got six games,

1284
01:08:52,347 --> 01:08:55,107
Speaker 2: three Paul games and then three knockout games, so it

1285
01:08:55,227 --> 01:08:57,787
Speaker 2: might be that they as long as they can get

1286
01:08:57,787 --> 01:09:00,067
Speaker 2: through the first game, because Ireland a third. That's the

1287
01:09:00,107 --> 01:09:02,867
Speaker 2: difficulty in that they don't want to they can't sort

1288
01:09:02,907 --> 01:09:05,387
Speaker 2: of rest people for the Ireland game because it comes third.

1289
01:09:05,707 --> 01:09:08,267
Speaker 2: If that was the first game, they could put their

1290
01:09:08,267 --> 01:09:10,747
Speaker 2: full team out there, win that and then against either

1291
01:09:10,827 --> 01:09:12,707
Speaker 2: Japan or Spain they could give some of the others

1292
01:09:12,747 --> 01:09:14,187
Speaker 2: a run. But they might not get the opportunity to

1293
01:09:14,227 --> 01:09:15,747
Speaker 2: do that. It's a long win away of what the

1294
01:09:15,827 --> 01:09:17,707
Speaker 2: point I was trying to make was you want the

1295
01:09:17,747 --> 01:09:20,667
Speaker 2: people who aren't going to play to not be dropping

1296
01:09:20,707 --> 01:09:24,787
Speaker 2: their lip, to not be sulking, to not be the

1297
01:09:24,907 --> 01:09:28,587
Speaker 2: kind of player who wins. And I'm not saying by

1298
01:09:28,627 --> 01:09:31,107
Speaker 2: any stretch that any of these players are that, but

1299
01:09:31,187 --> 01:09:33,867
Speaker 2: I think when you select a squad for a tournament

1300
01:09:34,667 --> 01:09:38,547
Speaker 2: often that has to come into the equation. The players

1301
01:09:38,587 --> 01:09:42,267
Speaker 2: who are unlikely to get a game have to be

1302
01:09:42,667 --> 01:09:46,627
Speaker 2: fully immersed in the squad itself. And the football example

1303
01:09:46,667 --> 01:09:48,387
Speaker 2: of this is when you select a squad for a

1304
01:09:48,467 --> 01:09:53,907
Speaker 2: World Cup, you take three goalkeepers. The third goalkeeper ninety

1305
01:09:53,987 --> 01:09:57,747
Speaker 2: nine percent of the time doesn't play unless there are

1306
01:09:57,947 --> 01:10:01,227
Speaker 2: two injuries to the blokes or the females in front.

1307
01:10:03,267 --> 01:10:06,947
Speaker 2: So they have to be a certain type of person,

1308
01:10:07,547 --> 01:10:12,027
Speaker 2: one who is going to be very team first. Just

1309
01:10:12,067 --> 01:10:15,147
Speaker 2: before we move from the rugby, Caitlin vaha a Calop

1310
01:10:15,347 --> 01:10:17,507
Speaker 2: is off to her first World Cup. She is one

1311
01:10:17,547 --> 01:10:20,987
Speaker 2: of the outside backs, very excitable character. I found out

1312
01:10:21,027 --> 01:10:23,147
Speaker 2: when I spoke to her yesterday about her inclusion.

1313
01:10:23,387 --> 01:10:25,107
Speaker 14: Oh my gosh, I think it's all hurting me now.

1314
01:10:25,187 --> 01:10:26,907
Speaker 14: We actually found out a bit earlier that we had

1315
01:10:26,947 --> 01:10:29,147
Speaker 14: made it. But I think being ham being about our

1316
01:10:29,187 --> 01:10:31,387
Speaker 14: fine note is just really hitting me that we've done

1317
01:10:31,387 --> 01:10:32,627
Speaker 14: it in we're hand. It's exciting.

1318
01:10:33,187 --> 01:10:35,907
Speaker 2: It's very exciting. And I look at the outside backs

1319
01:10:35,947 --> 01:10:37,907
Speaker 2: on this team and man, there are some wheels out there,

1320
01:10:37,947 --> 01:10:39,947
Speaker 2: there are some players out there. How do you feel

1321
01:10:39,947 --> 01:10:42,347
Speaker 2: about being part of a really stacked kind of back

1322
01:10:42,427 --> 01:10:43,267
Speaker 2: three in this team?

1323
01:10:43,507 --> 01:10:46,427
Speaker 14: Man, it's such a privilege and it's so cool being

1324
01:10:46,467 --> 01:10:48,027
Speaker 14: able to learn from what who I think are the

1325
01:10:48,067 --> 01:10:49,787
Speaker 14: best in the world. And I think it gives us

1326
01:10:49,787 --> 01:10:51,667
Speaker 14: such healthy competition. We always want to bring up the

1327
01:10:51,707 --> 01:10:54,187
Speaker 14: best in one another. I'm loving it, Yeah, I'm loving it.

1328
01:10:54,827 --> 01:10:57,107
Speaker 2: What about the blend in this team of youth and experience.

1329
01:10:57,147 --> 01:10:59,307
Speaker 2: Some have been there before, you know, till with three

1330
01:10:59,347 --> 01:11:01,187
Speaker 2: World Cups, Others who are hearing their name for the

1331
01:11:01,227 --> 01:11:04,027
Speaker 2: first time today. What's it like inside the team? Is

1332
01:11:04,107 --> 01:11:07,507
Speaker 2: there a nice blend there and that's the culture good

1333
01:11:07,547 --> 01:11:08,307
Speaker 2: for that in that way?

1334
01:11:08,387 --> 01:11:10,707
Speaker 14: I think the diversity around that in our group is

1335
01:11:10,787 --> 01:11:13,467
Speaker 14: really special. And I think we have that experience where

1336
01:11:13,467 --> 01:11:15,907
Speaker 14: there's that calm, calmnessing and posion. Then we have the

1337
01:11:15,987 --> 01:11:18,627
Speaker 14: young people who have. They been a saland excitement. So

1338
01:11:18,667 --> 01:11:21,227
Speaker 14: I think having that altogether has actually really helped out thing,

1339
01:11:21,267 --> 01:11:23,267
Speaker 14: Nick Moore, not just offielders us.

1340
01:11:23,267 --> 01:11:23,987
Speaker 12: So it's been really good.

1341
01:11:24,627 --> 01:11:27,947
Speaker 2: You lead the hacker up there. How special is that

1342
01:11:28,067 --> 01:11:28,227
Speaker 2: for you?

1343
01:11:28,707 --> 01:11:31,027
Speaker 14: I think just doing the Hoker in general is special,

1344
01:11:31,347 --> 01:11:33,507
Speaker 14: But it's such a privilege to do that on behalf

1345
01:11:33,547 --> 01:11:35,267
Speaker 14: of our families, on behalf of our country, and on

1346
01:11:35,307 --> 01:11:37,507
Speaker 14: behalf of all the support that we received. I think

1347
01:11:37,787 --> 01:11:40,107
Speaker 14: that's just a reflection of how loved and caredful we are.

1348
01:11:40,227 --> 01:11:41,827
Speaker 14: And yeah, it was a privilege for me to do.

1349
01:11:42,227 --> 01:11:44,947
Speaker 2: How big is your family been in this journey for you?

1350
01:11:45,107 --> 01:11:46,867
Speaker 14: Oh my gosh, They're the only reason that I have

1351
01:11:46,947 --> 01:11:49,427
Speaker 14: been able to be here today. So my parents are

1352
01:11:49,427 --> 01:11:52,227
Speaker 14: my biggest supporters. Whatever dream I have, whether it's crazy

1353
01:11:52,387 --> 01:11:54,307
Speaker 14: or too much, they always support me and they just

1354
01:11:54,347 --> 01:11:56,227
Speaker 14: want me to be happy. So I'm very very blessed.

1355
01:11:56,587 --> 01:11:58,347
Speaker 2: Well exciting time for you. Have you thought about what

1356
01:11:58,387 --> 01:12:00,827
Speaker 2: it might be like to play in a World Cup final?

1357
01:12:01,627 --> 01:12:03,467
Speaker 14: No, Actually, the four years ago I was at a

1358
01:12:03,507 --> 01:12:04,987
Speaker 14: World Cup, but I was at the League World Cup

1359
01:12:05,307 --> 01:12:06,947
Speaker 14: and I didn't get select this on that phone, so

1360
01:12:07,027 --> 01:12:08,907
Speaker 14: I was watching in the crowd, but it was such

1361
01:12:08,947 --> 01:12:12,227
Speaker 14: a cool experience and yeah, whatever happens at the World Cup,

1362
01:12:12,267 --> 01:12:15,867
Speaker 14: I'm just grateful to be here and I feel like, yeah,

1363
01:12:16,307 --> 01:12:18,747
Speaker 14: there's just so much there's so much amazingness in this

1364
01:12:18,827 --> 01:12:20,107
Speaker 14: group and I'm so glad I get to be a

1365
01:12:20,147 --> 01:12:20,467
Speaker 14: part of it.

1366
01:12:20,627 --> 01:12:24,427
Speaker 2: That is Caitlin Colo, who, as you can probably hear there,

1367
01:12:24,547 --> 01:12:29,387
Speaker 2: is fairly excitable, fairly enthusiastic, exuberant and the leader of

1368
01:12:29,427 --> 01:12:31,907
Speaker 2: the haka. The last night up on the stage as

1369
01:12:31,947 --> 01:12:34,787
Speaker 2: the team were presented to everybody at the venue. It

1370
01:12:34,867 --> 01:12:38,227
Speaker 2: was already a really cool event and kudos to those

1371
01:12:38,267 --> 01:12:40,587
Speaker 2: at New Zealand Rugby who were behind putting it on.

1372
01:12:40,747 --> 01:12:44,307
Speaker 2: As Rue Dumont said, you know, last time they didn't

1373
01:12:44,307 --> 01:12:46,627
Speaker 2: even get all the team together. You know, it wasn't

1374
01:12:46,667 --> 01:12:49,907
Speaker 2: even an event. This time it was an event and

1375
01:12:50,147 --> 01:12:52,307
Speaker 2: every single one of the thirty three players was there

1376
01:12:52,747 --> 01:12:55,307
Speaker 2: with their family and it made it really really special.

1377
01:12:55,387 --> 01:12:57,707
Speaker 2: Looking forward to seeing how they go nineteen away from two,

1378
01:12:57,787 --> 01:12:59,667
Speaker 2: Let's take a break, come back and hit across the

1379
01:12:59,707 --> 01:13:02,187
Speaker 2: Tasman Australian correspondent Adam Peacock.

1380
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Speaker 8: After this, the big.

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1387
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Speaker 2: the company of Australian correspondent Adam Peacock to talk Australian

1388
01:13:25,827 --> 01:13:28,947
Speaker 2: sporting issues. Adam, thanks as always for joining us. Got

1389
01:13:28,987 --> 01:13:32,187
Speaker 2: Warren Gatland on the show after two o'clock, former British

1390
01:13:32,187 --> 01:13:34,707
Speaker 2: and Irish Lions coach, to talk about tonight's second test

1391
01:13:35,467 --> 01:13:38,507
Speaker 2: MCG going to be a packed house, the Wallaby's one

1392
01:13:38,587 --> 01:13:40,587
Speaker 2: down on the series. They need to win it to

1393
01:13:40,667 --> 01:13:42,707
Speaker 2: keep it alive. How do you feel about the Wallaby's

1394
01:13:42,787 --> 01:13:46,307
Speaker 2: chances of squaring the series at the MCG tonight.

1395
01:13:48,187 --> 01:13:53,787
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm skeptical as you'd imagine. Yeah, the lot lines

1396
01:13:53,867 --> 01:13:55,307
Speaker 15: defensively in that first hour.

1397
01:13:56,867 --> 01:13:57,387
Speaker 3: Last week.

1398
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Speaker 15: I was surprised how physical and how how much through

1399
01:14:02,547 --> 01:14:05,907
Speaker 15: a dearth of Plan B we seem to have. As

1400
01:14:05,947 --> 01:14:07,747
Speaker 15: the Wallaby, it was like, oh, we can't get through,

1401
01:14:07,827 --> 01:14:09,467
Speaker 15: we can't get through. I will just kick it and

1402
01:14:10,107 --> 01:14:12,227
Speaker 15: just pretty obviously I were trying to kick for field position,

1403
01:14:13,587 --> 01:14:15,787
Speaker 15: and it kind of was ingrained in their brains to

1404
01:14:16,107 --> 01:14:17,987
Speaker 15: the point where I don't know if you remember Harry

1405
01:14:17,987 --> 01:14:21,227
Speaker 15: Wilson had an overlap and he just crossing half Pine

1406
01:14:21,227 --> 01:14:22,187
Speaker 15: and he just decided.

1407
01:14:21,907 --> 01:14:22,227
Speaker 6: To kick it.

1408
01:14:22,307 --> 01:14:25,187
Speaker 15: I think it was just this subconscious taking over. So yeah,

1409
01:14:25,347 --> 01:14:29,587
Speaker 15: I don't know how they get through the lines, because

1410
01:14:29,627 --> 01:14:31,547
Speaker 15: getting around them won't be that easy because they're going

1411
01:14:31,547 --> 01:14:34,547
Speaker 15: to be wet down in Melbourne tonight apparently, so all

1412
01:14:34,627 --> 01:14:39,307
Speaker 15: things like very British Isles conditions, a cold wet night

1413
01:14:39,427 --> 01:14:42,707
Speaker 15: in Melbourne ninety thousand. There probably a lot of them

1414
01:14:42,747 --> 01:14:46,147
Speaker 15: lines fans. So I think everything's leading towards me saying

1415
01:14:46,227 --> 01:14:48,747
Speaker 15: that I'm not expecting much. Fune Idy gleaned from that.

1416
01:14:48,907 --> 01:14:50,627
Speaker 2: No, I did glean that from that, But you're right

1417
01:14:50,667 --> 01:14:52,907
Speaker 2: about the support. A friend of mine was in Brisbane

1418
01:14:52,947 --> 01:14:54,987
Speaker 2: last weekend and he sent me a missa saying, I

1419
01:14:55,107 --> 01:14:58,827
Speaker 2: cannot believe the number of Red Shirts around. I mean,

1420
01:14:58,867 --> 01:15:01,747
Speaker 2: when the Lions come to a country, they all come,

1421
01:15:02,147 --> 01:15:03,267
Speaker 2: they in their thousands.

1422
01:15:03,947 --> 01:15:07,307
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, and they provide some for the local economy

1423
01:15:07,347 --> 01:15:09,627
Speaker 15: and the local rugby union economy as well. There's a

1424
01:15:09,667 --> 01:15:12,827
Speaker 15: big conversation at the moment over here about how did

1425
01:15:12,907 --> 01:15:15,587
Speaker 15: rugby union get out of this whole A quick history lesson.

1426
01:15:15,907 --> 01:15:18,267
Speaker 15: I've spoke with someone from Rugby Australia this week that

1427
01:15:18,467 --> 01:15:20,707
Speaker 15: Ruggy Australia is setting themselves up over the next two

1428
01:15:20,787 --> 01:15:23,187
Speaker 15: to three years to capitalize on the financial gain of

1429
01:15:23,227 --> 01:15:25,667
Speaker 15: having a British Narra's lines too and a World Cup

1430
01:15:26,147 --> 01:15:28,747
Speaker 15: and then after the World Cup they can go right, Okay,

1431
01:15:28,867 --> 01:15:30,787
Speaker 15: we've had this before two thousand and three. We had

1432
01:15:30,787 --> 01:15:33,027
Speaker 15: a war chest that we wanted to siphon away from

1433
01:15:33,067 --> 01:15:35,347
Speaker 15: the States that were just going to use them to

1434
01:15:35,587 --> 01:15:38,987
Speaker 15: do whatever they wanted and set up a proper, proper

1435
01:15:39,587 --> 01:15:43,547
Speaker 15: rugby fund that filters through to the pathways and get

1436
01:15:43,627 --> 01:15:46,227
Speaker 15: that right. Any end, that money was squandered and that's

1437
01:15:46,267 --> 01:15:48,947
Speaker 15: where Australian rugby I reckon has been paddling and for

1438
01:15:49,027 --> 01:15:50,827
Speaker 15: some result is you just don't have the depth at

1439
01:15:50,867 --> 01:15:53,227
Speaker 15: the top level because your pathways isn't right and rugby

1440
01:15:53,307 --> 01:15:55,747
Speaker 15: league is cool foring the best kids at the school

1441
01:15:55,747 --> 01:15:58,067
Speaker 15: boy level. Now, rugby Union, this is the long game

1442
01:15:58,107 --> 01:15:59,987
Speaker 15: that they have to play that it's going to be

1443
01:16:00,067 --> 01:16:02,227
Speaker 15: a decade long fixed but it starts now with this

1444
01:16:02,507 --> 01:16:05,227
Speaker 15: infiltration of money from the lines to it and the

1445
01:16:05,307 --> 01:16:08,467
Speaker 15: World Cup. That's the long game. In short, it means

1446
01:16:08,547 --> 01:16:13,187
Speaker 15: that tonight nights like tonight could prove a little bit painful,

1447
01:16:13,427 --> 01:16:15,987
Speaker 15: but just got to I think Rugby Australia has got

1448
01:16:16,027 --> 01:16:17,387
Speaker 15: it in their heads now that they have to play

1449
01:16:17,427 --> 01:16:19,627
Speaker 15: the long game and be smart about what this is

1450
01:16:19,707 --> 01:16:22,147
Speaker 15: giving us, even though the results might not go our way.

1451
01:16:22,347 --> 01:16:24,147
Speaker 2: Yes, So I mean failures are any failures if you

1452
01:16:24,147 --> 01:16:25,787
Speaker 2: don't arn the lesson. So do you feel like they

1453
01:16:25,907 --> 01:16:28,027
Speaker 2: will learn the lessons of three and you know the

1454
01:16:28,307 --> 01:16:28,827
Speaker 2: years after that?

1455
01:16:29,427 --> 01:16:32,307
Speaker 15: Well, they're idiotic if they don't. Yeah, because like history

1456
01:16:32,507 --> 01:16:35,627
Speaker 15: that there's there's a templat there in history to tell

1457
01:16:35,667 --> 01:16:38,867
Speaker 15: you the entire story. So and I've been told that

1458
01:16:38,907 --> 01:16:41,667
Speaker 15: the people inside Rugby Australia have very much got it

1459
01:16:41,667 --> 01:16:43,587
Speaker 15: inside their heads. But the States are all powerful and

1460
01:16:43,987 --> 01:16:46,867
Speaker 15: the States see themselves that they're competing against each other,

1461
01:16:46,947 --> 01:16:50,907
Speaker 15: where that to me is a strange model. Cricket's got

1462
01:16:50,947 --> 01:16:53,507
Speaker 15: it right, whereas, yeah, the States want to beat each other,

1463
01:16:53,827 --> 01:16:56,067
Speaker 15: but the overall aim is to produce players for the

1464
01:16:56,107 --> 01:16:59,387
Speaker 15: international stage. Now, if Rugby can get that in their

1465
01:16:59,427 --> 01:17:02,587
Speaker 15: heads and do it from the ground up, they're going

1466
01:17:02,667 --> 01:17:04,587
Speaker 15: to be okay. Because there's enough talent over here, as

1467
01:17:04,627 --> 01:17:07,667
Speaker 15: you'd know. So yeah, it's hat and once we've had

1468
01:17:07,667 --> 01:17:10,147
Speaker 15: the riding in the fall, now we've got the opportunity

1469
01:17:10,147 --> 01:17:13,027
Speaker 15: to have the rise again with knowing how to.

1470
01:17:13,107 --> 01:17:13,747
Speaker 4: Avoid the fall.

1471
01:17:13,947 --> 01:17:16,387
Speaker 15: So yeah, as I said, it's idiotic if they make

1472
01:17:16,427 --> 01:17:17,347
Speaker 15: the same mistake twice.

1473
01:17:17,667 --> 01:17:21,387
Speaker 2: Let's hope that they don't do that and capitalize this time. Hey,

1474
01:17:21,427 --> 01:17:25,347
Speaker 2: Sydney FC are reportedly keen to bring German football superstar

1475
01:17:25,787 --> 01:17:28,667
Speaker 2: and World Cup one of Thomas Mueller to the A League.

1476
01:17:28,707 --> 01:17:31,107
Speaker 2: He's played a thousand games for buying Munich. He's looking

1477
01:17:31,147 --> 01:17:33,347
Speaker 2: for his next club. Has the story got any licks?

1478
01:17:33,907 --> 01:17:37,267
Speaker 15: Yeah, like it's a rumor. It sounds like Muller is

1479
01:17:37,387 --> 01:17:40,107
Speaker 15: keen on the MLS and this might be the backup.

1480
01:17:40,427 --> 01:17:42,387
Speaker 15: There is a link there. Alex Baumohanen, who played in

1481
01:17:42,427 --> 01:17:45,387
Speaker 15: the Bundesliger, he know the representatives of Thomas Muller, who

1482
01:17:45,387 --> 01:17:47,307
Speaker 15: probably knows him personally because he spent some time at

1483
01:17:47,307 --> 01:17:51,467
Speaker 15: Bayern Munich himself. Muller the great personality, He's fantastic, speaks fantastic,

1484
01:17:51,467 --> 01:17:55,147
Speaker 15: a great English, funny guy, a lot of life. I

1485
01:17:55,387 --> 01:17:59,747
Speaker 15: just wonder, Okay, financially, how does this work because they've

1486
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Speaker 15: already got Douglas cost or is this to set up

1487
01:18:02,507 --> 01:18:04,907
Speaker 15: is this offer in relation to the fact that Douglas

1488
01:18:04,987 --> 01:18:06,907
Speaker 15: Costa might not be at the club this season. We

1489
01:18:06,947 --> 01:18:09,147
Speaker 15: haven't spotted him on the Australian soil yet. For the

1490
01:18:09,227 --> 01:18:11,787
Speaker 15: upcoming season, he's not reported. I don't think he's reported

1491
01:18:11,827 --> 01:18:14,627
Speaker 15: the pre season yet, but that's probably part of the deal.

1492
01:18:14,707 --> 01:18:17,827
Speaker 15: But overall, like Sydney trying to produce all these players

1493
01:18:18,387 --> 01:18:21,067
Speaker 15: and be financially sustainable, but then they go the sugar

1494
01:18:21,147 --> 01:18:24,907
Speaker 15: hit again. You can maybe have one sugar hit if

1495
01:18:24,907 --> 01:18:27,227
Speaker 15: you're Sydney a seed, but two at the same time.

1496
01:18:27,387 --> 01:18:31,267
Speaker 15: I'm not sure that's completely viable. But in isolation, Muller

1497
01:18:31,307 --> 01:18:33,907
Speaker 15: would be a fantastic addition to the A League because

1498
01:18:33,947 --> 01:18:38,027
Speaker 15: he's still able, physically able, and he'd brings so much

1499
01:18:38,067 --> 01:18:40,227
Speaker 15: personality to the league as well. And that cut through

1500
01:18:40,267 --> 01:18:42,507
Speaker 15: that the league want so to tricky one to Sydney

1501
01:18:42,547 --> 01:18:43,907
Speaker 15: of ceed the balance, but we'll wait and see.

1502
01:18:43,987 --> 01:18:44,267
Speaker 4: We will.

1503
01:18:44,307 --> 01:18:47,907
Speaker 2: Indeed, just before you go, one of your best road cyclists,

1504
01:18:48,307 --> 01:18:50,827
Speaker 2: Ben O'Connor, won a stage on the Tour de France

1505
01:18:50,907 --> 01:18:52,827
Speaker 2: during the week as second one. Actually, he'llso want to

1506
01:18:52,827 --> 01:18:55,587
Speaker 2: stage back in twenty twenty one. I guess someone like

1507
01:18:55,667 --> 01:18:58,267
Speaker 2: him does most of his best work when most of

1508
01:18:58,347 --> 01:19:02,787
Speaker 2: us countrymen are asleep. There's been O'Connor, well known, widely

1509
01:19:02,947 --> 01:19:06,187
Speaker 2: known in Australian sporting circles, not as much.

1510
01:19:06,027 --> 01:19:08,427
Speaker 15: As he should be, because doing things like this is

1511
01:19:09,387 --> 01:19:11,387
Speaker 15: you know, he's got to claim through Europe and there'll

1512
01:19:11,427 --> 01:19:13,067
Speaker 15: be millions and millions of people watching the end of

1513
01:19:13,107 --> 01:19:14,787
Speaker 15: that stage the other night going wow, look at this

1514
01:19:14,867 --> 01:19:17,347
Speaker 15: guy go. But back here in Australia there'll be tens

1515
01:19:17,387 --> 01:19:19,987
Speaker 15: of thousands, if you know what I mean. It's not

1516
01:19:20,067 --> 01:19:23,107
Speaker 15: their a lot. We're just besotted by We're going to

1517
01:19:23,187 --> 01:19:26,707
Speaker 15: feast and the same over there. I mean, time zone wise,

1518
01:19:26,747 --> 01:19:31,107
Speaker 15: we pay attention to what is on in our waking

1519
01:19:31,227 --> 01:19:34,347
Speaker 15: hours and we get nocturnal when things get massive. And

1520
01:19:34,587 --> 01:19:36,467
Speaker 15: the Tour de France isn't quite at that stage and

1521
01:19:37,067 --> 01:19:40,187
Speaker 15: it's the second two stage win, which is not easy

1522
01:19:40,267 --> 01:19:43,347
Speaker 15: to do. And he's obviously an extremely talented at the

1523
01:19:43,387 --> 01:19:45,187
Speaker 15: top of the tree, and he's chosen sport. It's just

1524
01:19:45,707 --> 01:19:48,387
Speaker 15: in cycling circles. I dare say he's top of the

1525
01:19:48,467 --> 01:19:51,107
Speaker 15: pops in Australian cycling circles. And the guys that go

1526
01:19:51,227 --> 01:19:54,507
Speaker 15: out for a road a road pedal and on a

1527
01:19:54,547 --> 01:19:56,627
Speaker 15: Saturday morning and then just go and sit there and

1528
01:19:56,667 --> 01:20:00,947
Speaker 15: take over your local cafe. But I'm sure over there

1529
01:20:01,107 --> 01:20:01,307
Speaker 15: I was.

1530
01:20:01,267 --> 01:20:02,787
Speaker 2: Going to say, you've got them over there as well.

1531
01:20:03,227 --> 01:20:05,907
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, yeah, god, yeah yeah, all right, they're getting

1532
01:20:05,907 --> 01:20:08,867
Speaker 15: out getting exercise. I do question some of them wearing

1533
01:20:08,947 --> 01:20:12,467
Speaker 15: the like crub, but that's their personal choice. But yeah,

1534
01:20:12,747 --> 01:20:16,987
Speaker 15: this guy is obviously great, but unfortunately he doesn't play footy,

1535
01:20:17,107 --> 01:20:20,227
Speaker 15: so he's not an ousehold name no indeed.

1536
01:20:20,307 --> 01:20:22,227
Speaker 2: All right, Hey, good to chaut Australian sport with you

1537
01:20:22,267 --> 01:20:24,227
Speaker 2: as always, Adam will do it again next week at

1538
01:20:24,267 --> 01:20:26,707
Speaker 2: which dage. I hope this Lines Wallaby series are still

1539
01:20:26,747 --> 01:20:28,387
Speaker 2: alive at one all I guess we'll have to wait

1540
01:20:28,427 --> 01:20:29,227
Speaker 2: to find out tonight.

1541
01:20:30,147 --> 01:20:31,747
Speaker 15: You and me both fine, cheers mane.

1542
01:20:31,547 --> 01:20:34,187
Speaker 2: Thank you mate. That is Adam Peacock, our Australian correspondent,

1543
01:20:34,267 --> 01:20:36,707
Speaker 2: as always on a Saturday afternoon. Actually just updating some

1544
01:20:36,787 --> 01:20:40,227
Speaker 2: live Australian sport. The Australian cricket team are up against

1545
01:20:40,227 --> 01:20:44,107
Speaker 2: the West Indies in the third T twenty International right now.

1546
01:20:44,187 --> 01:20:47,147
Speaker 2: The West Indies bat at first two fourteen for four

1547
01:20:47,947 --> 01:20:50,547
Speaker 2: just gone the halfway mark in Australia's chase. They're one

1548
01:20:50,667 --> 01:20:53,987
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty three for four in the eleventh over

1549
01:20:54,147 --> 01:20:57,187
Speaker 2: eighty two or fifty seven required, which is very manageable.

1550
01:20:57,747 --> 01:21:01,467
Speaker 2: Tim David is out there unbeaten on fifty three off

1551
01:21:01,667 --> 01:21:08,507
Speaker 2: sixteen balls. My god, fifty nine now off seventeen balls.

1552
01:21:08,547 --> 01:21:16,947
Speaker 2: He's got three fours and seven sixers. What unbelievable. So

1553
01:21:17,027 --> 01:21:19,507
Speaker 2: Australia cruising really with this bloke at the at the

1554
01:21:19,507 --> 01:21:21,387
Speaker 2: wicket seven and a half to two.

1555
01:21:21,427 --> 01:21:25,587
Speaker 16: News Talks dB analyzing every view from every angle in

1556
01:21:25,707 --> 01:21:29,147
Speaker 16: the sporting world weekends for it with Jason Pie they

1557
01:21:29,227 --> 01:21:31,987
Speaker 16: call eight hundred and eighty News Talks.

1558
01:21:31,787 --> 01:21:34,027
Speaker 2: NB four and a half to two. So this bloke

1559
01:21:34,067 --> 01:21:37,067
Speaker 2: Tim David always suspicious to someone who's got two Christian names.

1560
01:21:37,107 --> 01:21:39,747
Speaker 2: But anyway, Tim David, he got to his fifty off

1561
01:21:39,867 --> 01:21:43,947
Speaker 2: sixteen balls. That is a record for an Australian in

1562
01:21:44,027 --> 01:21:49,387
Speaker 2: a T twenty international. Fifty off sixteen balls. He took

1563
01:21:50,027 --> 01:21:53,187
Speaker 2: twenty eight off one over and there was a dot

1564
01:21:53,267 --> 01:21:58,427
Speaker 2: ball in there of the unfortunate Goodakesh Moti. It went

1565
01:21:58,547 --> 01:22:03,427
Speaker 2: four dot, sixty six sixty six. So Tim David, as

1566
01:22:03,867 --> 01:22:07,107
Speaker 2: we speak to you right now. Is currently on sixty

1567
01:22:07,827 --> 01:22:12,307
Speaker 2: of twenty one balls as Australia chase two hundred and

1568
01:22:12,507 --> 01:22:15,427
Speaker 2: fifteen to beat the West Indies, they need sixty nine

1569
01:22:15,547 --> 01:22:18,467
Speaker 2: or fifty one. Now, that's very manageable, very manageable. Indeed,

1570
01:22:18,467 --> 01:22:18,907
Speaker 2: we'll keep.

1571
01:22:18,867 --> 01:22:19,387
Speaker 4: Us on off for you.

1572
01:22:20,067 --> 01:22:22,627
Speaker 2: After two. Warren Gatland going to join us. Looking forward

1573
01:22:22,627 --> 01:22:25,227
Speaker 2: to chatting to Gatts as they call him. Former British

1574
01:22:25,227 --> 01:22:28,747
Speaker 2: and Irish Lions coach, two tours Australia twenty thirteen here

1575
01:22:28,867 --> 01:22:32,147
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, former All Black Soker himself of course as well.

1576
01:22:32,347 --> 01:22:34,147
Speaker 2: He's going to talk about tonight's second test to the

1577
01:22:34,267 --> 01:22:38,107
Speaker 2: mcg Andrew Pragnell, CEO of New Zealand Football on the show,

1578
01:22:38,187 --> 01:22:41,947
Speaker 2: and one of our great paralympians, Cam Lesley is also

1579
01:22:42,027 --> 01:22:44,027
Speaker 2: going to join us and the case of Misted after two.

1580
01:22:45,027 --> 01:22:49,187
Speaker 1: The only place for the big names, the big issues,

1581
01:22:49,987 --> 01:22:54,867
Speaker 1: the big controversies and the big conversations. It's all on

1582
01:22:55,027 --> 01:22:58,787
Speaker 1: Weekend Sport with Jason Vain on your home of Sport

1583
01:22:59,267 --> 01:23:00,467
Speaker 1: News Talk said been.

1584
01:23:01,987 --> 01:23:04,707
Speaker 2: Hello, seven past two. This is Weekend Sport until three.

1585
01:23:04,747 --> 01:23:08,907
Speaker 2: I'm Jason Vine with Andy McDonald alongside Tim David. I

1586
01:23:09,027 --> 01:23:10,547
Speaker 2: must have I never really heard of him. I think

1587
01:23:10,547 --> 01:23:13,907
Speaker 2: I'd vaguely heard of his name. Eighty four not out

1588
01:23:13,947 --> 01:23:16,547
Speaker 2: of twenty eight balls. He's not, unfortunately, going to get

1589
01:23:16,827 --> 01:23:22,307
Speaker 2: the quickest ever T twenty international century. That honor will

1590
01:23:22,347 --> 01:23:28,507
Speaker 2: stay with Sahil Shaohan twenty seven balls for Estonia against

1591
01:23:28,547 --> 01:23:33,467
Speaker 2: Cyprus last year among Tier one nations. I'm just going

1592
01:23:33,507 --> 01:23:37,107
Speaker 2: to scroll down here at David Miller off thirty five

1593
01:23:37,267 --> 01:23:42,147
Speaker 2: balls South Africa of the Bangladesh and twenty seventeen, so

1594
01:23:43,627 --> 01:23:46,827
Speaker 2: he could beat that. Tim David eighty four off twenty

1595
01:23:46,867 --> 01:23:50,427
Speaker 2: eight balls, four fourth ten sixers and as you heard

1596
01:23:51,747 --> 01:23:54,307
Speaker 2: in our sports news with Nathan the fastest ever T

1597
01:23:54,507 --> 01:24:00,107
Speaker 2: twenty international fifty by an Australian sixteen balls this hour.

1598
01:24:01,067 --> 01:24:03,387
Speaker 2: Warren Gatlin standing by the chat to US British and

1599
01:24:03,427 --> 01:24:06,947
Speaker 2: Irish Lions coach twenty thirteen and twenty seventeen, what did

1600
01:24:06,987 --> 01:24:08,827
Speaker 2: you make of the first Test last week between the

1601
01:24:08,907 --> 01:24:11,027
Speaker 2: lines of twenty twenty five and the Wallabies and can

1602
01:24:11,427 --> 01:24:15,427
Speaker 2: Australia bounce back tonight in Melbourne and take the series

1603
01:24:15,467 --> 01:24:17,667
Speaker 2: to a Game three decider in Sydney in a week's time.

1604
01:24:17,947 --> 01:24:21,107
Speaker 2: Warren Gatland shortly Andrew Pragnell, CEO of New Zealand Football,

1605
01:24:21,147 --> 01:24:24,987
Speaker 2: on various round ball matters including the All Whites, the Football,

1606
01:24:25,027 --> 01:24:27,747
Speaker 2: Ferns and Out, Tomesta Game and cam Leslie one of

1607
01:24:27,787 --> 01:24:33,267
Speaker 2: our truly great Paralympians. He's off to the Paralympic World

1608
01:24:33,387 --> 01:24:37,387
Speaker 2: champs in September. He's got fourteen at World Championship medals

1609
01:24:37,747 --> 01:24:39,987
Speaker 2: as well as a bunch of Paralympic medals as well.

1610
01:24:40,147 --> 01:24:42,307
Speaker 2: Is he going again in twenty twenty out? I think

1611
01:24:42,307 --> 01:24:44,867
Speaker 2: he's already confirmed that he will anyway. Cam Leslie on

1612
01:24:44,907 --> 01:24:47,627
Speaker 2: the show this hour as well. Your cause and correspondents

1613
01:24:47,667 --> 01:24:50,187
Speaker 2: continue to be welcome of eight hundred and eighty ten

1614
01:24:50,267 --> 01:24:52,147
Speaker 2: eighty on the phone, nine two nine two on text,

1615
01:24:52,707 --> 01:24:55,307
Speaker 2: as we always do, though as we tick past nine

1616
01:24:55,387 --> 01:24:56,947
Speaker 2: pass till it's time to catch you up with some

1617
01:24:57,067 --> 01:24:58,907
Speaker 2: of the stuff that you may have missed over the

1618
01:24:58,987 --> 01:25:02,547
Speaker 2: last twenty four hours or so, in case you missed it,

1619
01:25:03,787 --> 01:25:06,947
Speaker 2: and a truly global look at sports on the Tour

1620
01:25:07,027 --> 01:25:12,867
Speaker 2: de France, a massive effort from Tim and Ernsman to

1621
01:25:12,947 --> 01:25:15,707
Speaker 2: hold off the leaders and win the nineteenth stage, his

1622
01:25:15,867 --> 01:25:19,387
Speaker 2: second stage win on this year's tour, the Top of Laplania.

1623
01:25:19,507 --> 01:25:22,707
Speaker 10: The final Oars Catscree climb of this race, finger God

1624
01:25:22,867 --> 01:25:23,907
Speaker 10: now starts to move.

1625
01:25:24,427 --> 01:25:27,227
Speaker 2: Can Aarronsman win the stage he's hanging on?

1626
01:25:28,187 --> 01:25:31,587
Speaker 17: Aronsman makes it to the top of Laplania and he

1627
01:25:31,747 --> 01:25:34,987
Speaker 17: wins his second stage in this year's tit at Franz.

1628
01:25:35,227 --> 01:25:38,507
Speaker 2: How did he do that? Jowers, finger Guard and Tarde

1629
01:25:38,587 --> 01:25:41,587
Speaker 2: Polgarcia finishing two seconds back. Per Garcia still with an

1630
01:25:41,627 --> 01:25:44,587
Speaker 2: almost unassailable leave with only two stages to go at

1631
01:25:44,627 --> 01:25:48,307
Speaker 2: Twell over four minutes to the NRL. The North Queensland

1632
01:25:48,387 --> 01:25:51,587
Speaker 2: Cowboys beating the Dragons in an absolute points fest in

1633
01:25:51,707 --> 01:25:54,027
Speaker 2: Townsville and now birds.

1634
01:25:53,867 --> 01:25:54,787
Speaker 10: On the chow attack.

1635
01:25:55,147 --> 01:26:00,747
Speaker 14: Perdu thus go the ra start Perdi plants it down.

1636
01:26:01,307 --> 01:26:04,867
Speaker 3: It's the Cowboys Knights in Townsville.

1637
01:26:04,307 --> 01:26:06,667
Speaker 2: Here winning at thirty eight to thirty two. Both memes

1638
01:26:06,707 --> 01:26:09,787
Speaker 2: well outside the eighth though, the Eels meantime, pulling a

1639
01:26:09,867 --> 01:26:11,107
Speaker 2: fast one over the Broncos.

1640
01:26:12,067 --> 01:26:18,707
Speaker 5: Oh and I for Takada Car fifty Just hadda CA's.

1641
01:26:17,787 --> 01:26:22,187
Speaker 7: Over, Just adda Carry's dancing Just shadow car.

1642
01:26:23,747 --> 01:26:26,267
Speaker 11: And how Amada back as fat.

1643
01:26:26,267 --> 01:26:29,187
Speaker 2: And holding on late to win. Twenty two twenty the

1644
01:26:29,307 --> 01:26:32,587
Speaker 2: Eels and steal a one at sun Corp and eleventh

1645
01:26:32,827 --> 01:26:36,467
Speaker 2: for Lillam Lawson in sprint qualification at the Formula One

1646
01:26:36,507 --> 01:26:41,587
Speaker 2: events in Belgium. Oscar Piastree, continuing to show his class.

1647
01:26:41,787 --> 01:26:46,147
Speaker 17: For Stafford, snatches that provisional pole from Lando Norris, but

1648
01:26:46,627 --> 01:26:50,667
Speaker 17: Oscar Pastree is looking very handy indeed to snatch it

1649
01:26:50,787 --> 01:26:53,147
Speaker 17: back from the pair of them and does by nearly

1650
01:26:53,267 --> 01:26:57,147
Speaker 17: half a second PS three on pol going walk better

1651
01:26:57,227 --> 01:26:59,707
Speaker 17: than he did here in spring qualifying two years ago.

1652
01:27:00,467 --> 01:27:05,427
Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails Weekend

1653
01:27:05,547 --> 01:27:08,867
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Nme News Talk Zenvy.

1654
01:27:09,107 --> 01:27:11,827
Speaker 2: News Talks herebing Weekend Sport eleven past two. The British

1655
01:27:11,827 --> 01:27:14,387
Speaker 2: and Irish Lions will look to secure a series victory

1656
01:27:14,427 --> 01:27:17,107
Speaker 2: over Australia with a game to spare when they face

1657
01:27:17,147 --> 01:27:19,747
Speaker 2: the Wallabies in the Second Test at the Melbourne Cricket

1658
01:27:19,787 --> 01:27:22,467
Speaker 2: Ground tonight. The lines of course winning the first Test

1659
01:27:22,547 --> 01:27:26,147
Speaker 2: twenty seven to nineteen in Brisbane a week ago, and the.

1660
01:27:26,267 --> 01:27:33,347
Speaker 17: Lines stay unbeaten in Brisbane and put one hand I'm.

1661
01:27:33,187 --> 01:27:35,147
Speaker 2: A Tom Rich its job.

1662
01:27:35,347 --> 01:27:35,507
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1663
01:27:35,547 --> 01:27:37,747
Speaker 2: A lines wind tonight would sew up the series with

1664
01:27:37,827 --> 01:27:40,747
Speaker 2: a game to play. By contrast, an Australian win would

1665
01:27:40,827 --> 01:27:43,107
Speaker 2: level the series at one all. The final Test is

1666
01:27:43,187 --> 01:27:46,587
Speaker 2: in Sydney next Saturday night. Great pleasure to welcome in

1667
01:27:46,707 --> 01:27:49,667
Speaker 2: British and Irish Lions coach on their twenty thirteen tour

1668
01:27:49,707 --> 01:27:53,667
Speaker 2: of Australia and twenty seventeen tour to New Zealand, as

1669
01:27:53,747 --> 01:27:56,827
Speaker 2: well as former Chiefs and Wales coach and former All

1670
01:27:56,867 --> 01:28:00,507
Speaker 2: Blacks hooker Warren Gatland, who's involved in the television coverage

1671
01:28:00,587 --> 01:28:02,867
Speaker 2: of this current tour. Larren, thanks for joining us on

1672
01:28:02,947 --> 01:28:05,427
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport. Let's look back a week What stood out

1673
01:28:05,547 --> 01:28:08,747
Speaker 2: most and the British and Irish lines win in Test

1674
01:28:08,867 --> 01:28:09,867
Speaker 2: one in Brisbane?

1675
01:28:09,987 --> 01:28:12,827
Speaker 4: For you, I just thought the way.

1676
01:28:12,787 --> 01:28:15,947
Speaker 18: They dominated the first half. I just sort their collision stuff,

1677
01:28:15,987 --> 01:28:20,587
Speaker 18: they go forward, territory and possession really kind of shut

1678
01:28:20,867 --> 01:28:22,867
Speaker 18: Australia out in the firstuff and faelix Australia.

1679
01:28:22,867 --> 01:28:24,347
Speaker 4: They are a lot better in the second half, but

1680
01:28:24,507 --> 01:28:25,627
Speaker 4: I felt that the game was.

1681
01:28:25,667 --> 01:28:28,307
Speaker 18: Kind of had gone by then, so I was, you know,

1682
01:28:28,347 --> 01:28:32,187
Speaker 18: I was impressed with them, you know, particularly upfront dominating.

1683
01:28:33,347 --> 01:28:34,627
Speaker 4: Probably that Australian food pack.

1684
01:28:35,027 --> 01:28:37,227
Speaker 2: How much improvement do you think there is in this

1685
01:28:37,427 --> 01:28:38,067
Speaker 2: line side?

1686
01:28:41,227 --> 01:28:41,787
Speaker 4: That's interesting.

1687
01:28:41,827 --> 01:28:44,667
Speaker 18: It's always this has been It would have been a

1688
01:28:44,707 --> 01:28:47,187
Speaker 18: tough week for them because they've had that game on

1689
01:28:47,307 --> 01:28:50,387
Speaker 18: Tuesday against the First Nations team, so they sort of

1690
01:28:50,427 --> 01:28:53,627
Speaker 18: mixing and match and bought some players in and you're

1691
01:28:53,667 --> 01:28:55,627
Speaker 18: trying to prepare for that. You're trying to give the

1692
01:28:55,787 --> 01:29:00,507
Speaker 18: players that sort of belief that a good performance and

1693
01:29:00,547 --> 01:29:02,307
Speaker 18: they play well, they've got a chance to be selected

1694
01:29:02,387 --> 01:29:03,947
Speaker 18: in the in the in the Test, so they know

1695
01:29:04,347 --> 01:29:06,667
Speaker 18: that's a challenge. And then you're also trying on your

1696
01:29:06,707 --> 01:29:09,707
Speaker 18: mind trying to prepare the Test team to get them

1697
01:29:09,787 --> 01:29:13,027
Speaker 18: ready for seven night too. So it's a tough week.

1698
01:29:13,107 --> 01:29:20,187
Speaker 18: But I felt that they have improved from the pre

1699
01:29:20,307 --> 01:29:23,467
Speaker 18: tour game against Argentina and they've got better. Obviously, some

1700
01:29:23,547 --> 01:29:25,827
Speaker 18: of the combinations are working quite well, and there's a

1701
01:29:25,867 --> 01:29:29,107
Speaker 18: lot of competition release forwards that've picked up a few injuries.

1702
01:29:29,187 --> 01:29:32,627
Speaker 18: So I think it's Tralily going to be absolutely desperate.

1703
01:29:32,667 --> 01:29:33,427
Speaker 6: You know, they want to.

1704
01:29:34,947 --> 01:29:38,427
Speaker 18: They want to tie the series and go to Sydney

1705
01:29:38,747 --> 01:29:41,347
Speaker 18: hopefully for a decider. The great thing about winning the

1706
01:29:41,387 --> 01:29:43,467
Speaker 18: first tests is that you know that you're there right

1707
01:29:43,547 --> 01:29:44,387
Speaker 18: until the end anyway.

1708
01:29:44,627 --> 01:29:47,787
Speaker 2: Indeed, so three changes to the line starting fifteen seven

1709
01:29:47,867 --> 01:29:50,387
Speaker 2: to the twenty three for the second Test tonight a couple,

1710
01:29:50,467 --> 01:29:54,267
Speaker 2: as you mentioned, injury enforced Joe McCarthy, SIONI twep a

1711
01:29:54,307 --> 01:29:57,667
Speaker 2: lot who both injured, Olie Chesham, Bundy k and also

1712
01:29:57,747 --> 01:30:00,867
Speaker 2: Andrew Porter comeing. Is that kind of what you expected

1713
01:30:00,907 --> 01:30:03,667
Speaker 2: that barring those injuries it would be a fairly settled

1714
01:30:03,747 --> 01:30:04,307
Speaker 2: line sight.

1715
01:30:05,267 --> 01:30:07,267
Speaker 4: Yeah. I didn't speak too many changes.

1716
01:30:07,307 --> 01:30:09,587
Speaker 18: I think that the word was that it was going

1717
01:30:09,667 --> 01:30:13,667
Speaker 18: to be Archy and ring Rows in the midfield. Ring

1718
01:30:13,747 --> 01:30:16,587
Speaker 18: Ros was pulled out. You know, he's had a couple

1719
01:30:16,627 --> 01:30:20,067
Speaker 18: of head knocks and stuff, So you know, maybe one

1720
01:30:20,147 --> 01:30:22,427
Speaker 18: or two changes, three changes, It's it's quite a number

1721
01:30:22,467 --> 01:30:26,507
Speaker 18: of changes. But there's been a lot of competition on

1722
01:30:27,027 --> 01:30:30,147
Speaker 18: this tour and I think for Australia, you know, they've

1723
01:30:30,507 --> 01:30:33,587
Speaker 18: got to dominate somewhere. And I thought that First Nations

1724
01:30:34,467 --> 01:30:36,147
Speaker 18: team there was a couple of areas. I thought they

1725
01:30:36,187 --> 01:30:37,627
Speaker 18: were quite good at the breakdown, they had a couple

1726
01:30:37,627 --> 01:30:39,627
Speaker 18: of turnovers even though they earned a lot of pressure

1727
01:30:39,627 --> 01:30:40,347
Speaker 18: in that first half.

1728
01:30:40,387 --> 01:30:41,347
Speaker 4: I thought the scrum went well.

1729
01:30:41,387 --> 01:30:44,107
Speaker 18: They got a couple of scrumpen leies and they defeated

1730
01:30:44,227 --> 01:30:46,507
Speaker 18: aggressively at the back and then shut the lines down

1731
01:30:46,547 --> 01:30:46,867
Speaker 18: at time.

1732
01:30:46,947 --> 01:30:48,547
Speaker 4: So you know there's there's areas of.

1733
01:30:48,827 --> 01:30:51,547
Speaker 18: This game where you want to have some sort of

1734
01:30:51,627 --> 01:30:53,707
Speaker 18: dominance and I didn't feel, you know, apart from the

1735
01:30:53,747 --> 01:30:56,867
Speaker 18: aspects of the second half, that Australia really had that

1736
01:30:56,947 --> 01:30:57,587
Speaker 18: in the first Test.

1737
01:30:57,867 --> 01:31:02,707
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think most people expected more from them. Did

1738
01:31:02,827 --> 01:31:05,067
Speaker 2: you did you think they would be better from the

1739
01:31:05,147 --> 01:31:06,947
Speaker 2: first worst the lass you say they kind of came

1740
01:31:07,027 --> 01:31:09,387
Speaker 2: right in the second half, But did you expect more

1741
01:31:09,387 --> 01:31:11,107
Speaker 2: from the Wallabies from the start?

1742
01:31:12,747 --> 01:31:14,307
Speaker 18: Well, I think it's been one of the things that

1743
01:31:14,347 --> 01:31:16,747
Speaker 18: the lines have done. They defended really well there. I mean,

1744
01:31:16,827 --> 01:31:20,627
Speaker 18: the forced teams back. The teams haven't really had a

1745
01:31:20,667 --> 01:31:23,227
Speaker 18: lot of go forward against him. And I thought in

1746
01:31:23,307 --> 01:31:25,987
Speaker 18: the second Test when Australia started to pick and go

1747
01:31:26,187 --> 01:31:30,467
Speaker 18: a little bit, they McDermott came on and caused a

1748
01:31:30,547 --> 01:31:33,027
Speaker 18: little bit of damaged sort of snipping around the fringes

1749
01:31:33,027 --> 01:31:34,427
Speaker 18: and they got a little bit of go forward and

1750
01:31:34,467 --> 01:31:38,347
Speaker 18: then probably in that second half they you know, they

1751
01:31:38,427 --> 01:31:41,067
Speaker 18: had you know, a lot better performance. And I think

1752
01:31:41,067 --> 01:31:42,307
Speaker 18: there's something that Skelton come in and.

1753
01:31:42,347 --> 01:31:43,787
Speaker 4: That'll suit his game. Val and Tim.

1754
01:31:44,187 --> 01:31:46,587
Speaker 18: He's always really direct in the way that he that

1755
01:31:46,707 --> 01:31:51,267
Speaker 18: he carries in Pereki as well up front. Yeah, so

1756
01:31:51,307 --> 01:31:53,187
Speaker 18: I think there'll be a lot more direct, you know,

1757
01:31:53,347 --> 01:31:57,067
Speaker 18: particularly around the fringes, you know, tonight for the game

1758
01:31:57,147 --> 01:31:59,587
Speaker 18: and and looking forward to it.

1759
01:31:59,947 --> 01:32:03,427
Speaker 2: Tomliner retains the team jersey. It's a bit of a

1760
01:32:03,467 --> 01:32:05,667
Speaker 2: baptism of fire, isn't it for a young player, even

1761
01:32:05,707 --> 01:32:07,867
Speaker 2: though he's got a very say, a famous surname. Do

1762
01:32:07,907 --> 01:32:11,547
Speaker 2: you think there would have been any temptation, Warren from

1763
01:32:11,667 --> 01:32:13,907
Speaker 2: Joe Schmitt to give James O'Connor the ten jersey.

1764
01:32:15,187 --> 01:32:16,947
Speaker 4: Yeah, possibly, or maybe some time.

1765
01:32:17,067 --> 01:32:19,347
Speaker 18: But you know, sometimes when you make a call like that,

1766
01:32:19,427 --> 01:32:21,267
Speaker 18: you've got to stick with it because then you're just

1767
01:32:21,307 --> 01:32:24,627
Speaker 18: going to completely knock his confidence and that he would

1768
01:32:24,627 --> 01:32:27,187
Speaker 18: have learned a huge amount from as a young player

1769
01:32:27,227 --> 01:32:29,947
Speaker 18: sort of playing at a level and experience the pace,

1770
01:32:30,067 --> 01:32:34,187
Speaker 18: the intensity and the physicality of his first start and

1771
01:32:34,627 --> 01:32:36,667
Speaker 18: they come off the bench a couple of times and stuff.

1772
01:32:36,747 --> 01:32:41,467
Speaker 18: But so I think as a coach often you make

1773
01:32:42,147 --> 01:32:44,947
Speaker 18: those big calls and then you've just got to stick

1774
01:32:44,987 --> 01:32:47,587
Speaker 18: with them. And then and maybe you know the thing

1775
01:32:47,867 --> 01:32:51,427
Speaker 18: with Joe and Australia and know the lines toward is important,

1776
01:32:51,427 --> 01:32:52,827
Speaker 18: but they're also in the back of them want to

1777
01:32:52,867 --> 01:32:55,427
Speaker 18: potentially thinking a couple of years time with the World

1778
01:32:55,467 --> 01:32:58,707
Speaker 18: Cup and developing players for that toom making sure that

1779
01:33:00,147 --> 01:33:02,147
Speaker 18: it's going to be really important for Australian rugby two.

1780
01:33:02,627 --> 01:33:04,627
Speaker 2: So since the Lines have arrived in Australia, they've won

1781
01:33:04,627 --> 01:33:08,227
Speaker 2: all seven matches. No Line inside has gone unbeaten overseas

1782
01:33:08,787 --> 01:33:12,547
Speaker 2: on a tour since nineteen seventy four in South Africa.

1783
01:33:12,667 --> 01:33:15,307
Speaker 2: How big an incentive would that provide the Lines an

1784
01:33:15,387 --> 01:33:18,107
Speaker 2: unbeaten time on Australian soil.

1785
01:33:19,907 --> 01:33:21,347
Speaker 18: Oh, I think that would be massive, you know, it

1786
01:33:21,387 --> 01:33:25,307
Speaker 18: to be huge for them, it would be I know

1787
01:33:25,427 --> 01:33:28,467
Speaker 18: how disappointed they were with the game in Dublin. It's

1788
01:33:29,307 --> 01:33:32,227
Speaker 18: before they before they're left. But to go and defeate

1789
01:33:32,307 --> 01:33:35,067
Speaker 18: it on a tour, you know, it's incredibly tough because

1790
01:33:36,227 --> 01:33:38,587
Speaker 18: I don't think people always realize, you know, how difficult

1791
01:33:38,627 --> 01:33:40,707
Speaker 18: it is to bring a Lions tecking together. When you're

1792
01:33:40,707 --> 01:33:42,747
Speaker 18: bringing the players from four nations and you have a

1793
01:33:42,787 --> 01:33:45,187
Speaker 18: few weeks preparation and you're playing, you're trying to mix

1794
01:33:45,227 --> 01:33:48,027
Speaker 18: a match, you're playing two games a week, you're in

1795
01:33:48,067 --> 01:33:50,467
Speaker 18: and out hotels and traveling, and you're playing away from

1796
01:33:50,507 --> 01:33:53,027
Speaker 18: home against you know, normally one of the best teams

1797
01:33:53,067 --> 01:33:55,787
Speaker 18: in the world and so it's a massive challenge. So

1798
01:33:55,827 --> 01:33:59,187
Speaker 18: if they're able to do that, it would be be

1799
01:33:59,267 --> 01:34:02,427
Speaker 18: a huge coupe for this Lion team. I think it's

1800
01:34:02,427 --> 01:34:04,307
Speaker 18: going to be a huge part of your motivation in

1801
01:34:04,467 --> 01:34:07,267
Speaker 18: terms of trying to when that seat and test and

1802
01:34:07,387 --> 01:34:08,467
Speaker 18: definitely go undefeated.

1803
01:34:08,907 --> 01:34:11,627
Speaker 2: What are the best strategies for navigating the challenges you

1804
01:34:11,787 --> 01:34:15,147
Speaker 2: just outlined there? Bringing everybody together, short space of time,

1805
01:34:15,787 --> 01:34:18,507
Speaker 2: highly motivated opposition who only really get one chance in

1806
01:34:18,547 --> 01:34:20,267
Speaker 2: their career to play the lines. How do you navigate

1807
01:34:20,307 --> 01:34:22,747
Speaker 2: those challenges as a coach and as a management team.

1808
01:34:23,787 --> 01:34:28,147
Speaker 18: Yeah, that's always the real challenge. And I speak to

1809
01:34:28,227 --> 01:34:30,227
Speaker 18: a lot of people who had been on previous tours

1810
01:34:30,307 --> 01:34:33,507
Speaker 18: and probably the common vene that came back to me

1811
01:34:33,867 --> 01:34:36,667
Speaker 18: was the rugby kind of took care of itself. It

1812
01:34:36,827 --> 01:34:39,347
Speaker 18: was trying to make sure that harmony off the field

1813
01:34:39,507 --> 01:34:43,227
Speaker 18: was as good as it could be. And it's one

1814
01:34:43,227 --> 01:34:45,467
Speaker 18: of the things that I did, And it doesn't always

1815
01:34:45,507 --> 01:34:47,427
Speaker 18: help with your preparation. And if you're in the back

1816
01:34:47,427 --> 01:34:50,387
Speaker 18: of your mind and you're thinking about combinations and test matches,

1817
01:34:50,507 --> 01:34:53,427
Speaker 18: is sort of saying to the players, you know, everyone

1818
01:34:53,747 --> 01:34:55,267
Speaker 18: would get a start in the first.

1819
01:34:55,067 --> 01:34:57,987
Speaker 4: Three games and if you're a player and you're on tour.

1820
01:34:57,867 --> 01:34:59,427
Speaker 18: And the coach says you're going to get a start,

1821
01:34:59,507 --> 01:35:01,587
Speaker 18: and you think, if I play well and the team

1822
01:35:01,627 --> 01:35:03,667
Speaker 18: plays well, now maybe there's an opportunity for me to

1823
01:35:03,747 --> 01:35:06,627
Speaker 18: be selected in the test side of the starting seen

1824
01:35:06,667 --> 01:35:09,347
Speaker 18: all the twenty three and that kind of I found

1825
01:35:09,427 --> 01:35:12,947
Speaker 18: that was really really positive for the group feeling everyone

1826
01:35:13,027 --> 01:35:15,387
Speaker 18: felt like that had an opportunity that they've been in

1827
01:35:15,467 --> 01:35:18,067
Speaker 18: the shop window, you know. So like I said, it's

1828
01:35:18,107 --> 01:35:20,267
Speaker 18: not always the easiest thing to.

1829
01:35:20,347 --> 01:35:20,747
Speaker 3: Do, but.

1830
01:35:22,747 --> 01:35:25,267
Speaker 18: You know you've got to try and really get those things.

1831
01:35:25,307 --> 01:35:27,547
Speaker 18: And you know, having a few nights out together as

1832
01:35:27,547 --> 01:35:29,747
Speaker 18: a team, you know, particularly early on, you know, a

1833
01:35:29,827 --> 01:35:32,627
Speaker 18: couple of quiet ones to sort of bring everyone together

1834
01:35:32,667 --> 01:35:35,707
Speaker 18: as always as a real positive as well. And they

1835
01:35:35,707 --> 01:35:38,947
Speaker 18: would have done lots of things with committees and you know,

1836
01:35:39,107 --> 01:35:45,347
Speaker 18: having sly things in terms of everyone being involved, and

1837
01:35:45,867 --> 01:35:48,107
Speaker 18: I'm sure Andy would have done a really good job

1838
01:35:48,187 --> 01:35:50,187
Speaker 18: in terms of trying to facilitate that all.

1839
01:35:50,267 --> 01:35:52,387
Speaker 2: Right back to tonight to finish, can you see Australia

1840
01:35:52,467 --> 01:35:55,107
Speaker 2: improving enough to take this to a third test?

1841
01:35:57,147 --> 01:35:57,267
Speaker 6: Oh?

1842
01:35:57,307 --> 01:35:57,947
Speaker 4: I think they have to.

1843
01:35:58,147 --> 01:36:00,467
Speaker 18: I think that the deskine I can remember back in

1844
01:36:01,467 --> 01:36:08,987
Speaker 18: twenty thirteen, and the emotion afterwards that the Australian players,

1845
01:36:09,267 --> 01:36:13,027
Speaker 18: James Fall and that sort of expressed and released they

1846
01:36:13,067 --> 01:36:15,867
Speaker 18: were so desperate to win their second Test and they're

1847
01:36:15,867 --> 01:36:21,267
Speaker 18: going to be absolutely desperate tonight. So and it's probably

1848
01:36:21,587 --> 01:36:22,907
Speaker 18: in the backs of the minds that they are the

1849
01:36:22,987 --> 01:36:24,027
Speaker 18: desperate ones Australia.

1850
01:36:24,267 --> 01:36:27,347
Speaker 4: The Lions know they've kind of sort of a get

1851
01:36:27,427 --> 01:36:27,667
Speaker 4: out of.

1852
01:36:27,707 --> 01:36:29,307
Speaker 18: Jail cut, if you know what I mean in terms

1853
01:36:29,347 --> 01:36:32,227
Speaker 18: of I'm sure that they won't want to use that,

1854
01:36:32,347 --> 01:36:35,067
Speaker 18: but it's a testament.

1855
01:36:35,067 --> 01:36:35,587
Speaker 4: It's rugby.

1856
01:36:35,707 --> 01:36:38,267
Speaker 18: Even in a season, it's really really difficult to be

1857
01:36:38,427 --> 01:36:41,947
Speaker 18: on that absolute mental edge and peak game after game

1858
01:36:42,027 --> 01:36:45,507
Speaker 18: after game, and so I think Australia, you know, that's

1859
01:36:45,587 --> 01:36:46,547
Speaker 18: definitely where they have to be.

1860
01:36:46,747 --> 01:36:49,347
Speaker 4: But you know, it's a really strong Lions team.

1861
01:36:49,187 --> 01:36:52,667
Speaker 18: And looking forward to what's going to be hopefully you're

1862
01:36:52,707 --> 01:36:57,667
Speaker 18: really entertaining and you really really exciting encounter.

1863
01:36:57,867 --> 01:37:00,387
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's hope. So, Larren really appreciate you joining us

1864
01:37:00,427 --> 01:37:02,707
Speaker 2: with your insight and expertise. Thanks for your time this

1865
01:37:02,787 --> 01:37:03,547
Speaker 2: afternoon on ZB.

1866
01:37:04,027 --> 01:37:05,747
Speaker 4: Cheers, Cheers, Bunny, thank you, Jee.

1867
01:37:05,827 --> 01:37:08,067
Speaker 2: Thank you, and Warren Gatlin. They're out of Melbourne where

1868
01:37:08,067 --> 01:37:11,667
Speaker 2: he's part of the television commentary team for tonight's second

1869
01:37:11,747 --> 01:37:16,307
Speaker 2: Test Australia British and Irish Lions. Mcg vearying reports, what

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01:37:16,427 --> 01:37:19,747
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01:37:19,747 --> 01:37:20,907
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1872
01:37:20,947 --> 01:37:23,987
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1873
01:37:25,187 --> 01:37:27,987
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1874
01:37:28,027 --> 01:37:31,307
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1875
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Speaker 2: twenty but they will be desperate they have to win

1876
01:37:34,347 --> 01:37:37,147
Speaker 2: to keep the series alive. But the British and Irish line,

1877
01:37:37,187 --> 01:37:39,067
Speaker 2: certainly last week it didn't feel to me anyway got

1878
01:37:39,107 --> 01:37:41,867
Speaker 2: out a third gear and winning that. So it's going

1879
01:37:41,907 --> 01:37:46,347
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01:37:46,427 --> 01:37:48,627
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1908
01:39:15,547 --> 01:39:18,667
Speaker 2: all things football. Andrew, thanks for joining us. Less than

1909
01:39:19,307 --> 01:39:21,987
Speaker 2: eleven months to go now until the FIFA Men's World Cup.

1910
01:39:22,027 --> 01:39:24,107
Speaker 2: The All Whites of course will be there. We know

1911
01:39:24,147 --> 01:39:26,827
Speaker 2: they're going to play Australia home and away in September.

1912
01:39:27,187 --> 01:39:32,107
Speaker 2: There's also a confirmed fixture against Norway in October. So

1913
01:39:32,267 --> 01:39:34,027
Speaker 2: will the All Whites play a second game in that

1914
01:39:34,107 --> 01:39:37,107
Speaker 2: October window and will they also play a couple of

1915
01:39:37,187 --> 01:39:39,187
Speaker 2: games in November? Is that confirmed?

1916
01:39:39,747 --> 01:39:40,387
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

1917
01:39:40,947 --> 01:39:43,267
Speaker 10: So, there'll be a second game in Europe announced very

1918
01:39:43,307 --> 01:39:47,427
Speaker 10: shortly and in November definitely, So a couple of really

1919
01:39:47,467 --> 01:39:49,947
Speaker 10: high profile games hopefully announced those in the next month,

1920
01:39:50,067 --> 01:39:53,147
Speaker 10: and some of the best opposition we've ever played, and

1921
01:39:53,267 --> 01:39:56,947
Speaker 10: actually when we reflect back on post twenty six, hopefully

1922
01:39:56,947 --> 01:39:59,347
Speaker 10: it's a successful World Cup we go to. But I

1923
01:39:59,427 --> 01:40:01,387
Speaker 10: think we'll look at in terms of the matches and

1924
01:40:01,587 --> 01:40:03,227
Speaker 10: we played in the lead up to be the best

1925
01:40:03,347 --> 01:40:04,827
Speaker 10: the All Whites have ever had exposure to.

1926
01:40:05,147 --> 01:40:07,627
Speaker 2: There are windows in of course in March of next

1927
01:40:07,747 --> 01:40:10,787
Speaker 2: year and then just before the World Cup starts in June.

1928
01:40:11,347 --> 01:40:13,787
Speaker 2: Have you got plans to have any sort of scend

1929
01:40:13,827 --> 01:40:16,347
Speaker 2: off game for the team perhaps in that March window.

1930
01:40:17,227 --> 01:40:19,827
Speaker 10: That's a really interesting one. So the drawer for the

1931
01:40:19,867 --> 01:40:22,147
Speaker 10: World Cup is so important for us for obvious reasons,

1932
01:40:22,227 --> 01:40:24,507
Speaker 10: both in terms will be located. A lot of Kiwis

1933
01:40:24,507 --> 01:40:26,147
Speaker 10: will be interested in that because I hope a lot

1934
01:40:26,227 --> 01:40:28,467
Speaker 10: of your listeners are thinking maybe about traveling to that

1935
01:40:28,547 --> 01:40:34,067
Speaker 10: World Cup, but obviously in different playing styles. So the

1936
01:40:34,187 --> 01:40:36,187
Speaker 10: next year, yep, you're right, we've got a window in

1937
01:40:36,267 --> 01:40:38,747
Speaker 10: March and potentially up to three games in the pre

1938
01:40:38,907 --> 01:40:43,107
Speaker 10: World Cup release period. We'd love to do it enough, Certainly,

1939
01:40:43,507 --> 01:40:46,627
Speaker 10: paramount in our decision will be performance, so we'll be

1940
01:40:46,707 --> 01:40:50,507
Speaker 10: looking at particularly playing styles against the types of teams

1941
01:40:50,507 --> 01:40:53,027
Speaker 10: that we've drawn to the World Cup, and so that'll

1942
01:40:53,067 --> 01:40:57,307
Speaker 10: take precedence over obviously specific seen off games.

1943
01:40:57,347 --> 01:40:58,067
Speaker 4: But we'd love to do it.

1944
01:40:58,187 --> 01:40:59,987
Speaker 10: If we can get the right sort of opposition down

1945
01:40:59,987 --> 01:41:01,827
Speaker 10: here that they're going to give us a performance advantage

1946
01:41:02,027 --> 01:41:03,707
Speaker 10: and play them at home, there'll be a double whaming

1947
01:41:03,707 --> 01:41:04,227
Speaker 10: and we'd love that.

1948
01:41:04,707 --> 01:41:06,227
Speaker 2: What are your hopes for the your whites of the

1949
01:41:06,387 --> 01:41:07,307
Speaker 2: World Cup next year.

1950
01:41:08,347 --> 01:41:13,187
Speaker 10: Absolutely they are capable of getting into knockout stages. You know,

1951
01:41:13,187 --> 01:41:16,467
Speaker 10: I've just seen them beat the African champions Ivory Coast,

1952
01:41:16,547 --> 01:41:18,547
Speaker 10: which are the sort of opposition they'll be playing at

1953
01:41:18,587 --> 01:41:21,227
Speaker 10: the World Cup. They took Ukraine to the next mil

1954
01:41:21,267 --> 01:41:23,467
Speaker 10: and I think I hope that over the next eleven

1955
01:41:23,547 --> 01:41:25,027
Speaker 10: months in the leading to the Cup.

1956
01:41:25,027 --> 01:41:26,907
Speaker 4: Was including some more wins.

1957
01:41:26,987 --> 01:41:30,387
Speaker 10: So that's totally capable of that. And you know, as

1958
01:41:30,427 --> 01:41:34,307
Speaker 10: we know, knockout football after that, anything's possible, but certainly

1959
01:41:34,347 --> 01:41:37,147
Speaker 10: breaking new grounds. You know that twenty ten World Cup

1960
01:41:37,267 --> 01:41:40,907
Speaker 10: lives in all Kiwi's minds for lots of reasons. They

1961
01:41:40,987 --> 01:41:43,307
Speaker 10: set the bar. The bar has always got to be raised.

1962
01:41:43,747 --> 01:41:48,307
Speaker 2: In terms of how they'll sort of move around the

1963
01:41:48,507 --> 01:41:51,787
Speaker 2: United States or Canada or Mexico next year. Andrei, I

1964
01:41:51,827 --> 01:41:53,747
Speaker 2: guess do you just have to wait to see where

1965
01:41:54,507 --> 01:41:56,627
Speaker 2: they are placed in the drawer before you start working

1966
01:41:56,667 --> 01:41:59,427
Speaker 2: on locations, whether they'll fly in and out of games,

1967
01:41:59,747 --> 01:42:01,547
Speaker 2: where they'll base themselves, that sort of thing.

1968
01:42:02,387 --> 01:42:05,427
Speaker 10: Yeah, there are so many permutations, one hundred and four games,

1969
01:42:05,547 --> 01:42:10,707
Speaker 10: forty eighteen sixteen host cities, so we can we're doing

1970
01:42:10,747 --> 01:42:13,147
Speaker 10: a bit of analysis now, so we know, roughly across

1971
01:42:13,387 --> 01:42:18,947
Speaker 10: all of the different draws, with the possible locations we could,

1972
01:42:19,067 --> 01:42:21,587
Speaker 10: you know, the general rule of sort of three general

1973
01:42:21,707 --> 01:42:25,187
Speaker 10: zones split across Canada, USA and Mexico and East Coast

1974
01:42:25,227 --> 01:42:28,187
Speaker 10: and West Coast and the central zone. The general rule

1975
01:42:28,227 --> 01:42:31,107
Speaker 10: of farmers that whatever you draw, you wouldn't be flying

1976
01:42:31,147 --> 01:42:33,307
Speaker 10: more than four hours to get to your next game.

1977
01:42:33,387 --> 01:42:35,787
Speaker 10: And we have to go through a process of FIFA

1978
01:42:35,867 --> 01:42:38,627
Speaker 10: to determine our base camp, which is competitive process too,

1979
01:42:38,747 --> 01:42:41,867
Speaker 10: So we're doing the analysis. We've definitely got some a

1980
01:42:41,907 --> 01:42:44,987
Speaker 10: few preferred options, I think jimerally speaking from a key

1981
01:42:45,067 --> 01:42:47,147
Speaker 10: weak perspective. Obviously there's going to be a bit less

1982
01:42:47,187 --> 01:42:49,547
Speaker 10: cost if we're down the West coast here, you know, Vancouver,

1983
01:42:50,547 --> 01:42:53,827
Speaker 10: San Francisco and LA. But there are a lot of

1984
01:42:53,827 --> 01:42:55,827
Speaker 10: different ways this could play out, and we'll know that

1985
01:42:55,947 --> 01:42:57,307
Speaker 10: in the first week of December.

1986
01:42:57,027 --> 01:42:59,187
Speaker 2: All right, looking forward to the drawer and seeing just hoo,

1987
01:42:59,627 --> 01:43:01,387
Speaker 2: the all whites are drawn against, and then I guess

1988
01:43:01,427 --> 01:43:03,547
Speaker 2: planning can begin an earnest for you and for as

1989
01:43:03,627 --> 01:43:06,027
Speaker 2: you say, any fans who want to get across and

1990
01:43:06,387 --> 01:43:09,587
Speaker 2: support the team. What about the football Ferns, Andrew, I

1991
01:43:09,627 --> 01:43:12,707
Speaker 2: can't see any fixtures confirmed for them or will they

1992
01:43:12,827 --> 01:43:14,467
Speaker 2: play again in twenty twenty five.

1993
01:43:15,227 --> 01:43:17,707
Speaker 10: Absolutely, yep. A little bit of change in the women's calendar,

1994
01:43:17,747 --> 01:43:20,267
Speaker 10: which is actually a good change. So there's been a

1995
01:43:20,307 --> 01:43:22,827
Speaker 10: creation of a three match window now in October, so

1996
01:43:22,987 --> 01:43:25,707
Speaker 10: starrtally those are always just two games. Obviously, we've spend

1997
01:43:25,787 --> 01:43:27,547
Speaker 10: a lot of money traveling around the world with our

1998
01:43:27,587 --> 01:43:29,667
Speaker 10: teams and so you've got to get more games in

1999
01:43:29,747 --> 01:43:34,347
Speaker 10: a window is better efficiencies ultimately for us. So they'll

2000
01:43:34,387 --> 01:43:38,427
Speaker 10: have at least five more games in the year. So yeah, Look,

2001
01:43:38,427 --> 01:43:40,107
Speaker 10: they've made a good start in the maining I think,

2002
01:43:40,187 --> 01:43:45,187
Speaker 10: you know, beating some we know quite a different shape team.

2003
01:43:45,187 --> 01:43:47,707
Speaker 10: He's self seen on the impact of the Wellington Phoenix

2004
01:43:47,747 --> 01:43:50,627
Speaker 10: women's team and other development. If it's coming to fruition,

2005
01:43:50,707 --> 01:43:53,587
Speaker 10: which is fantastic. You can start to see a lot

2006
01:43:53,627 --> 01:43:56,747
Speaker 10: of young players coming through. That reasonable results in TEMs

2007
01:43:56,747 --> 01:44:00,827
Speaker 10: getting wins against Costa Rica in Venezuela. So yes, five

2008
01:44:00,907 --> 01:44:03,507
Speaker 10: more tough games, maybe one more at home. I think

2009
01:44:03,867 --> 01:44:06,547
Speaker 10: we'd really hope to get them back home this year.

2010
01:44:06,547 --> 01:44:09,827
Speaker 10: We'd a team pull out on us and obviously we're hosting.

2011
01:44:09,867 --> 01:44:11,907
Speaker 10: I mean, this one's come around so quick, but we're

2012
01:44:11,947 --> 01:44:14,267
Speaker 10: hosting the semifinal in the final of the Women's World

2013
01:44:14,267 --> 01:44:17,427
Speaker 10: Cup qualifiers in New Zealand and April next year, which

2014
01:44:17,467 --> 01:44:19,387
Speaker 10: I think is possibly the first time we've done that

2015
01:44:19,507 --> 01:44:21,707
Speaker 10: as well, So another sort of breakthrough moment.

2016
01:44:22,067 --> 01:44:25,147
Speaker 2: I guess we're about halfway between World Cup cycles or

2017
01:44:25,187 --> 01:44:27,467
Speaker 2: World Cups, aren't we twenty twenty three? The next one

2018
01:44:27,507 --> 01:44:29,347
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty seven. So here we are mid twenty

2019
01:44:29,427 --> 01:44:32,187
Speaker 2: twenty five. How do you evaluate where the football ferns

2020
01:44:32,267 --> 01:44:34,227
Speaker 2: are at this point in the World Cup cycle.

2021
01:44:34,907 --> 01:44:37,507
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's a good question, and it's a trick slightly

2022
01:44:37,547 --> 01:44:39,987
Speaker 10: tricky one, and the women's football is moving so quickly

2023
01:44:40,067 --> 01:44:43,387
Speaker 10: in terms of what we once saw. I think is

2024
01:44:43,547 --> 01:44:46,707
Speaker 10: quite a gap between the top twenty and the next forty.

2025
01:44:47,827 --> 01:44:49,467
Speaker 10: I'd say the top fifty. If you look at the

2026
01:44:49,547 --> 01:44:51,307
Speaker 10: quality of some of the results and you see teams

2027
01:44:51,427 --> 01:44:54,147
Speaker 10: like Panama and they're like starting to get results against

2028
01:44:54,347 --> 01:45:00,027
Speaker 10: top twenty teams, it's changing so quickly. So look, I

2029
01:45:00,067 --> 01:45:01,987
Speaker 10: think we've got to look at the age profile of

2030
01:45:02,067 --> 01:45:03,787
Speaker 10: our team. We've got a lot of new players and

2031
01:45:03,827 --> 01:45:06,907
Speaker 10: a lot of younger players and something, you know, reflections.

2032
01:45:06,907 --> 01:45:07,987
Speaker 10: I think if you were to look back at the

2033
01:45:08,307 --> 01:45:12,707
Speaker 10: turns over the last fifteen years is there probably wasn't

2034
01:45:12,867 --> 01:45:16,027
Speaker 10: enough transitioning of players. You know, we relied on such

2035
01:45:16,067 --> 01:45:18,867
Speaker 10: a small group who accumulated a huge number of caps,

2036
01:45:18,947 --> 01:45:22,507
Speaker 10: but we didn't have the depth. So that Wellington Phoenix

2037
01:45:22,507 --> 01:45:24,307
Speaker 10: women's team as a set of has made a huge

2038
01:45:24,307 --> 01:45:28,507
Speaker 10: difference and actually an Auckland FC women's team we'll double that.

2039
01:45:28,827 --> 01:45:32,307
Speaker 10: We'll double that effort again. So I still think we've

2040
01:45:32,347 --> 01:45:35,427
Speaker 10: got great quality players and the types of you know,

2041
01:45:35,507 --> 01:45:38,187
Speaker 10: the types like like Kate Taylor who quickly matured through

2042
01:45:38,227 --> 01:45:40,267
Speaker 10: the Phoenix and has quickly gone off to Europe. So

2043
01:45:40,627 --> 01:45:43,187
Speaker 10: I still think they'll be living twenty seven. But as

2044
01:45:43,227 --> 01:45:45,227
Speaker 10: we look at the age profile of the group, I

2045
01:45:45,347 --> 01:45:47,787
Speaker 10: think that actually it's a long the market two so

2046
01:45:48,427 --> 01:45:49,867
Speaker 10: they can they could get out of a group from

2047
01:45:49,867 --> 01:45:51,627
Speaker 10: twenty seven. But we need to look at we need

2048
01:45:51,667 --> 01:45:52,747
Speaker 10: to start planning.

2049
01:45:52,467 --> 01:45:54,227
Speaker 6: Along with looking one as well.

2050
01:45:54,667 --> 01:45:56,587
Speaker 2: Can ask a couple of questions about the community game

2051
01:45:57,027 --> 01:46:01,427
Speaker 2: football now the biggest participation team sport in New Zealand.

2052
01:46:01,827 --> 01:46:05,227
Speaker 2: How will you go about continuing to increase your numbers,

2053
01:46:05,267 --> 01:46:06,547
Speaker 2: particularly junior um us.

2054
01:46:07,307 --> 01:46:09,107
Speaker 10: Yeah, look, I think there's a couple of things that

2055
01:46:09,227 --> 01:46:12,147
Speaker 10: play there one is. I mean, the success of the

2056
01:46:12,187 --> 01:46:15,827
Speaker 10: game at grassroots is just phenomenal. Huge thank you to

2057
01:46:16,027 --> 01:46:19,187
Speaker 10: our volunteer base, the people who run clubs every weekend,

2058
01:46:19,267 --> 01:46:21,987
Speaker 10: the mums and dads who coach and managed teams. You know,

2059
01:46:22,307 --> 01:46:25,107
Speaker 10: football's greatest asset is its people and its club network.

2060
01:46:25,347 --> 01:46:29,267
Speaker 10: Four hundred and thirty clubs going bank gang busters. Our

2061
01:46:29,307 --> 01:46:32,107
Speaker 10: probably our biggest challenges to growth at this stage are

2062
01:46:32,187 --> 01:46:34,667
Speaker 10: now you know, and we're lucky. I always say to everyone,

2063
01:46:35,027 --> 01:46:38,707
Speaker 10: our problem is a good problem. We're dealing with, you know,

2064
01:46:38,947 --> 01:46:43,427
Speaker 10: a huge demand and so our problem is supplied to Tickley.

2065
01:46:43,147 --> 01:46:44,267
Speaker 4: Fields and our urban areas.

2066
01:46:44,347 --> 01:46:47,507
Speaker 10: And also being sure our volunteers continue to get reward,

2067
01:46:47,867 --> 01:46:49,227
Speaker 10: rewarded and recognized.

2068
01:46:49,227 --> 01:46:50,107
Speaker 4: You know, I think we are.

2069
01:46:50,587 --> 01:46:53,947
Speaker 10: We already have in some urban areas clubs with waiting lists.

2070
01:46:55,107 --> 01:46:57,427
Speaker 10: So I think the next to the strategic cycle, we're

2071
01:46:57,427 --> 01:47:00,107
Speaker 10: going to have to put a lot of emphasis and

2072
01:47:00,307 --> 01:47:02,827
Speaker 10: some advocacy and lobby into our local and central government

2073
01:47:03,147 --> 01:47:05,227
Speaker 10: to ensure our kids got places to spak to play.

2074
01:47:06,467 --> 01:47:08,467
Speaker 10: You know, if you ask what wakes me up at night,

2075
01:47:08,547 --> 01:47:12,147
Speaker 10: that's a real concern we you know, in my opinion,

2076
01:47:12,267 --> 01:47:15,107
Speaker 10: sport gives New Zealand the greatest, single biggest return on

2077
01:47:15,187 --> 01:47:17,627
Speaker 10: its investment and every rest of the life from terms

2078
01:47:17,667 --> 01:47:21,387
Speaker 10: of wellbeing. Football does that in spades through team cohesion

2079
01:47:21,507 --> 01:47:25,227
Speaker 10: and personal individual well being vos physical and mental, and

2080
01:47:25,667 --> 01:47:28,667
Speaker 10: it's it's a single best area where the government and

2081
01:47:28,707 --> 01:47:30,347
Speaker 10: lot of government can get their returns. So we need

2082
01:47:30,667 --> 01:47:31,987
Speaker 10: we need to engage in them and a lot more

2083
01:47:32,027 --> 01:47:34,987
Speaker 10: because we need more fields. So that's huge. The whole

2084
01:47:35,027 --> 01:47:38,107
Speaker 10: of football plan is undergoing a review. Obviously that's been

2085
01:47:38,147 --> 01:47:40,507
Speaker 10: one of the most successful parts of the game, the

2086
01:47:40,587 --> 01:47:43,987
Speaker 10: way in which it's played. You know, that's now fifteen

2087
01:47:44,067 --> 01:47:44,467
Speaker 10: years old.

2088
01:47:44,547 --> 01:47:48,627
Speaker 2: It makes me feel bit old thinking that, indeed.

2089
01:47:48,547 --> 01:47:50,747
Speaker 3: When you can remember when it was launched.

2090
01:47:50,787 --> 01:47:53,547
Speaker 10: But but you know, reviewing that so a little bit

2091
01:47:53,587 --> 01:47:56,307
Speaker 10: of a few changes the game it's been really wildly successful,

2092
01:47:56,347 --> 01:47:58,107
Speaker 10: but updating that a bit. So we had a lot

2093
01:47:58,107 --> 01:48:03,587
Speaker 10: of investment going down into new formats for the game,

2094
01:48:03,627 --> 01:48:06,667
Speaker 10: not wild changes, it's an evolution, not a reval, but

2095
01:48:06,747 --> 01:48:09,187
Speaker 10: resourcing those changes and making sure there's goalposts. But yeah,

2096
01:48:09,187 --> 01:48:12,387
Speaker 10: and then making sure our coach education, our referee education,

2097
01:48:12,947 --> 01:48:16,147
Speaker 10: and all those people who volunteer space keep getting recognized

2098
01:48:16,147 --> 01:48:19,507
Speaker 10: for their efforts because without volunteers we don't exist.

2099
01:48:19,747 --> 01:48:22,067
Speaker 2: And at senior level, I believe you're currently in the

2100
01:48:22,147 --> 01:48:25,147
Speaker 2: process of assessing domestic competitions just to make sure they're

2101
01:48:25,147 --> 01:48:27,107
Speaker 2: sets a purpose. What does that work involve.

2102
01:48:27,947 --> 01:48:31,547
Speaker 10: Yeah, so that's huge obviously at the top of our

2103
01:48:32,107 --> 01:48:36,307
Speaker 10: competition pathway is really important, especially to our big clubs. Equally,

2104
01:48:36,347 --> 01:48:40,547
Speaker 10: it plays a critical role in talent development. We made

2105
01:48:40,587 --> 01:48:42,867
Speaker 10: some huge changes out of back of COVID. You know,

2106
01:48:42,947 --> 01:48:44,907
Speaker 10: we went from a sort of franchise model it was

2107
01:48:44,947 --> 01:48:48,067
Speaker 10: disconnected from the game on the men's side, and we

2108
01:48:48,147 --> 01:48:50,947
Speaker 10: went from a federation based team on the women's side,

2109
01:48:51,187 --> 01:48:54,867
Speaker 10: and we've shifted both towards the club based competition. But

2110
01:48:54,947 --> 01:48:57,747
Speaker 10: there's a real desire from our clubs, I believe to

2111
01:48:57,827 --> 01:49:01,467
Speaker 10: see that to continue to evolve. The big discussion points

2112
01:49:01,627 --> 01:49:04,707
Speaker 10: are really around can we do a full end to

2113
01:49:04,907 --> 01:49:07,667
Speaker 10: end winter season, club based winter season for men and

2114
01:49:07,787 --> 01:49:11,907
Speaker 10: women At the moment, the formats are slightly different and

2115
01:49:12,187 --> 01:49:15,307
Speaker 10: are we ready for that? And I know, speaking broadly

2116
01:49:15,587 --> 01:49:18,787
Speaker 10: from perspective, there's a strong desire from our clubs to

2117
01:49:18,907 --> 01:49:21,387
Speaker 10: move in that direction. Because the current season is a

2118
01:49:21,387 --> 01:49:23,747
Speaker 10: little bit long. We're playing in the men's side regional

2119
01:49:23,787 --> 01:49:26,347
Speaker 10: phases and then into national phases and when you add

2120
01:49:26,347 --> 01:49:29,147
Speaker 10: in our Chatham Cups and our Kate Shepherds as well,

2121
01:49:30,587 --> 01:49:33,027
Speaker 10: it's a very very long season, so a higher quality

2122
01:49:33,107 --> 01:49:37,307
Speaker 10: season that's potentially sort of double round type scenario. So

2123
01:49:37,387 --> 01:49:40,787
Speaker 10: that gets people excited because the quality just keeps improving.

2124
01:49:41,187 --> 01:49:44,187
Speaker 2: Look forward to the outcomes on that and to finish

2125
01:49:44,507 --> 01:49:47,787
Speaker 2: the A League. Auckland FC, by every metric made a

2126
01:49:47,867 --> 01:49:50,307
Speaker 2: massive impact on the A League in their inaugural season.

2127
01:49:50,347 --> 01:49:52,747
Speaker 2: We're looking forward to their women's team when that arrives

2128
01:49:52,787 --> 01:49:54,507
Speaker 2: as well, and of course the new A League season

2129
01:49:54,867 --> 01:49:57,627
Speaker 2: not too far away. Do you think New Zealand could

2130
01:49:58,147 --> 01:49:59,987
Speaker 2: sustain a third A League site?

2131
01:50:00,907 --> 01:50:01,747
Speaker 4: One hundred percent.

2132
01:50:01,947 --> 01:50:04,107
Speaker 10: Not only do I think we could, but we have

2133
01:50:04,227 --> 01:50:06,427
Speaker 10: to have one in my perspective, and that's talking I

2134
01:50:06,467 --> 01:50:13,027
Speaker 10: guess from a geography perspective, population perspective, but absolutely we could.

2135
01:50:13,907 --> 01:50:15,907
Speaker 10: And you know, for me, there's two kind of critical

2136
01:50:15,947 --> 01:50:19,347
Speaker 10: elements in getting that club up and running. It has

2137
01:50:19,547 --> 01:50:22,587
Speaker 10: you know, naturally in the South Island serving thing the

2138
01:50:22,627 --> 01:50:24,987
Speaker 10: whole South Island where it's based out of Christ Church

2139
01:50:25,027 --> 01:50:29,187
Speaker 10: of Dunedin. Both great stadiums there. But the two key bits,

2140
01:50:29,227 --> 01:50:31,667
Speaker 10: and that one is infrastructure. Christ Church is probably going

2141
01:50:31,707 --> 01:50:33,347
Speaker 10: to land the best stadium in the country, so that's

2142
01:50:33,787 --> 01:50:37,627
Speaker 10: that's a good start, and Forsyth Bar actually is held

2143
01:50:37,747 --> 01:50:39,627
Speaker 10: up really well as well. And then making sure we

2144
01:50:39,627 --> 01:50:41,987
Speaker 10: get the right ownership group and you're right, orkanef CE

2145
01:50:42,187 --> 01:50:45,947
Speaker 10: success has been phenomenal and you know that ownership group

2146
01:50:46,027 --> 01:50:48,427
Speaker 10: has been a key part of that. Obviously, the you know,

2147
01:50:49,387 --> 01:50:52,707
Speaker 10: the Lock owners in terms of Anna and Ali's contribution

2148
01:50:52,787 --> 01:50:55,107
Speaker 10: has been enormous and then of course Bill's knowledge of

2149
01:50:55,187 --> 01:50:58,227
Speaker 10: being a multi club football owner has been enormous too

2150
01:50:58,267 --> 01:51:01,547
Speaker 10: and the willingness to really invest has reaped dividends for them.

2151
01:51:01,667 --> 01:51:04,587
Speaker 10: So it's a must, it's an absolute must. We've got

2152
01:51:04,587 --> 01:51:07,587
Speaker 10: a really good relationship with Football Australia. The A League

2153
01:51:07,947 --> 01:51:12,347
Speaker 10: are looking to expend or shift shift their composition, so

2154
01:51:12,547 --> 01:51:15,347
Speaker 10: you know there's been no agreement struck, but you know

2155
01:51:15,547 --> 01:51:18,187
Speaker 10: the AWKAF has been a massive asset to the A League,

2156
01:51:18,227 --> 01:51:21,307
Speaker 10: so you know that that is encouraging if we want

2157
01:51:21,307 --> 01:51:22,707
Speaker 10: to expand further into New Zealand.

2158
01:51:22,827 --> 01:51:25,987
Speaker 2: Indeed, it is lots on your plate as always, Andrew,

2159
01:51:26,027 --> 01:51:27,667
Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time for a chat.

2160
01:51:27,547 --> 01:51:29,627
Speaker 10: Today, fantastic thanks having me by.

2161
01:51:29,667 --> 01:51:31,467
Speaker 2: Nick go well now you go, well to Andrew. Thanks

2162
01:51:31,467 --> 01:51:35,187
Speaker 2: indeed Andrew Pragnell, CEO of New Zealand Football, joining us

2163
01:51:35,227 --> 01:51:37,907
Speaker 2: for a chat on a wide range of things, speaking

2164
01:51:37,987 --> 01:51:41,867
Speaker 2: of football domestically Chatham Cup quarter finals this weekend Western

2165
01:51:41,947 --> 01:51:45,227
Speaker 2: Suburbs and Wellington Olympic playing a Wellington Derby at Endeavor

2166
01:51:45,307 --> 01:51:48,747
Speaker 2: Park and Pottydoer in Wellington's Northern Suburbs. Nine minutes to

2167
01:51:48,747 --> 01:51:52,867
Speaker 2: go until halftime, goalless between Western Suburbs and Wellington Olympic

2168
01:51:53,507 --> 01:51:55,547
Speaker 2: twenty one to three. We'll come back shortly and chat

2169
01:51:55,587 --> 01:51:57,667
Speaker 2: to one of our great paralympians who's still got more

2170
01:51:57,707 --> 01:51:59,267
Speaker 2: gas in the tank? Cam Lesley?

2171
01:51:59,347 --> 01:52:03,187
Speaker 1: After this, would you be the TMO have your say

2172
01:52:03,267 --> 01:52:08,907
Speaker 1: on eighty eight Weekends Sport Jason Hine and GJ. Guvnerholmes,

2173
01:52:09,107 --> 01:52:11,547
Speaker 1: new Zealand's most trusted home builder News Talks.

2174
01:52:11,547 --> 01:52:13,907
Speaker 2: They'd be always great to get the chance to chat

2175
01:52:13,947 --> 01:52:17,027
Speaker 2: with one of our greatest paralympians. World record holder, three

2176
01:52:17,067 --> 01:52:20,427
Speaker 2: time Paralympic gold medalist and the men's individual medley one

2177
01:52:20,547 --> 01:52:23,467
Speaker 2: fifty meter SM four Cam Leslie.

2178
01:52:23,227 --> 01:52:27,507
Speaker 8: Leslie and Suzuki No forging ahead, very strong, indead keep

2179
01:52:27,547 --> 01:52:29,387
Speaker 8: an eye on the clock here thirty seven or.

2180
01:52:29,427 --> 01:52:30,467
Speaker 1: Two for Leslie.

2181
01:52:30,547 --> 01:52:33,907
Speaker 8: Honey has taken it in the heat thirty six point

2182
01:52:34,027 --> 01:52:38,147
Speaker 8: seven five. Cameron Leslie has taken a world record in

2183
01:52:38,267 --> 01:52:38,867
Speaker 8: the heat Son.

2184
01:52:38,947 --> 01:52:41,227
Speaker 13: If that doesn't send the message to the rest of

2185
01:52:41,267 --> 01:52:42,587
Speaker 13: the field, I don't know what does.

2186
01:52:42,907 --> 01:52:46,267
Speaker 2: Cam Lesley is off to his eighth World Power Swimming

2187
01:52:46,387 --> 01:52:50,907
Speaker 2: Championships in September, looking to add to his fourteen World

2188
01:52:51,027 --> 01:52:54,307
Speaker 2: Championship medals. Cam, thanks for joining us. We spoke around

2189
01:52:54,427 --> 01:52:57,067
Speaker 2: Easter when you were about to head to Japan to

2190
01:52:57,147 --> 01:53:01,267
Speaker 2: train with one of your greatest rivals, take Yuki Suzuki.

2191
01:53:01,467 --> 01:53:02,907
Speaker 2: So how did it go over there?

2192
01:53:04,147 --> 01:53:04,987
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it was good.

2193
01:53:05,147 --> 01:53:07,867
Speaker 8: He it does things quite differently to me, a very

2194
01:53:07,947 --> 01:53:11,307
Speaker 8: traditional approach to how they do things. And yeah, I

2195
01:53:11,387 --> 01:53:12,947
Speaker 8: guess it's kind of good because we're going down the

2196
01:53:12,947 --> 01:53:15,507
Speaker 8: avenue sort of trying to be quite different with our

2197
01:53:15,547 --> 01:53:17,707
Speaker 8: training style. So it was quite refreshing just to sort

2198
01:53:17,747 --> 01:53:21,507
Speaker 8: of see that they are still doing quite a traditional approach.

2199
01:53:22,307 --> 01:53:24,747
Speaker 6: But yeah, awesome, Like, man, I felt young again for

2200
01:53:24,827 --> 01:53:25,107
Speaker 6: a week.

2201
01:53:25,307 --> 01:53:27,707
Speaker 8: I went hard on all the training and then and

2202
01:53:27,907 --> 01:53:29,307
Speaker 8: then I blew up towards the end.

2203
01:53:29,347 --> 01:53:32,987
Speaker 2: I was like, man, I'm shit, So did you bring

2204
01:53:33,147 --> 01:53:37,227
Speaker 2: back some lessons? Are you going to revert back to

2205
01:53:37,307 --> 01:53:40,707
Speaker 2: a more traditional type of training as you work towards events,

2206
01:53:41,027 --> 01:53:42,347
Speaker 2: or were you just sort of pick and choose some

2207
01:53:42,427 --> 01:53:43,907
Speaker 2: of the things you're picked up over there.

2208
01:53:44,427 --> 01:53:45,707
Speaker 8: N So we sort of leaned into a bit of

2209
01:53:45,707 --> 01:53:48,067
Speaker 8: their technology and a little bit of their analysis side

2210
01:53:48,107 --> 01:53:50,347
Speaker 8: of things that really gave us the takeaways from it.

2211
01:53:51,507 --> 01:53:54,827
Speaker 8: Fifty minute pool with like not a centimeter of uncovered

2212
01:53:55,107 --> 01:53:58,147
Speaker 8: by a camera footage, so we had that every single saying,

2213
01:53:58,227 --> 01:54:02,067
Speaker 8: every single training session, so sixteen seventeen trainings worth camera

2214
01:54:02,267 --> 01:54:06,347
Speaker 8: footage review. We really got to nail down on technique

2215
01:54:06,427 --> 01:54:09,867
Speaker 8: stuff that we're either lacking or have done better previously,

2216
01:54:10,387 --> 01:54:14,107
Speaker 8: or because I don't race Tucker in fifty meters backstroke,

2217
01:54:14,267 --> 01:54:16,067
Speaker 8: he was his coach was more than happy to give

2218
01:54:16,107 --> 01:54:18,787
Speaker 8: me his insights into my backstroke style and technique and

2219
01:54:18,867 --> 01:54:21,507
Speaker 8: things like that. So we came home with probably a

2220
01:54:21,587 --> 01:54:24,067
Speaker 8: good maybe six or seven like points in terms of

2221
01:54:24,267 --> 01:54:26,947
Speaker 8: just to sort of clarify what we're doing in certain races.

2222
01:54:27,067 --> 01:54:29,067
Speaker 8: You know, we tried different starts and things like that,

2223
01:54:29,187 --> 01:54:31,427
Speaker 8: and we're getting half a second improvement.

2224
01:54:31,147 --> 01:54:31,827
Speaker 4: Just off a dive.

2225
01:54:32,627 --> 01:54:34,987
Speaker 8: So those are quite like massive things when you're talking

2226
01:54:34,987 --> 01:54:36,867
Speaker 8: the focus of a fifty three style fifty.

2227
01:54:36,667 --> 01:54:40,227
Speaker 2: Backstroke absolutely, so did any of its surprise you came

2228
01:54:40,267 --> 01:54:41,947
Speaker 2: when you saw the footage, did you think, oh, man,

2229
01:54:41,987 --> 01:54:43,787
Speaker 2: I didn't know I was doing that or not doing that.

2230
01:54:45,507 --> 01:54:48,027
Speaker 8: I not necessarily surprised me in terms we didn't know

2231
01:54:48,107 --> 01:54:49,627
Speaker 8: I was doing it. I knew I was doing it,

2232
01:54:49,707 --> 01:54:53,387
Speaker 8: but I didn't know the the I guess. So a

2233
01:54:53,427 --> 01:54:55,827
Speaker 8: good example of doing backstroke and a flume. So flume,

2234
01:54:55,907 --> 01:54:58,107
Speaker 8: you know, rotating water, you're swimming on the spot. You

2235
01:54:58,187 --> 01:55:00,187
Speaker 8: got camera angles left right, center, so we said it's

2236
01:55:00,187 --> 01:55:01,267
Speaker 8: the world record pace.

2237
01:55:01,147 --> 01:55:01,627
Speaker 4: And we went.

2238
01:55:02,187 --> 01:55:03,147
Speaker 6: We were cranking through it.

2239
01:55:04,067 --> 01:55:06,307
Speaker 8: And the one body movement I do with my lead

2240
01:55:06,507 --> 01:55:09,187
Speaker 8: in terms of a kick, what that did in terms

2241
01:55:09,227 --> 01:55:12,147
Speaker 8: of offsetting my body position in the water was quite drastic.

2242
01:55:12,627 --> 01:55:14,347
Speaker 6: So when you I kicked, we thought it was a

2243
01:55:14,387 --> 01:55:16,907
Speaker 6: good thing because you're moving water, you're creating or for pulption.

2244
01:55:17,107 --> 01:55:19,067
Speaker 8: However, what it did in terms of the negative of

2245
01:55:19,187 --> 01:55:21,947
Speaker 8: changing body position, we didn't realize it was quite that extreme.

2246
01:55:23,827 --> 01:55:26,027
Speaker 8: So that was really that's probably a really good example

2247
01:55:26,067 --> 01:55:28,147
Speaker 8: in terms of we had absolute awareness, but in terms

2248
01:55:28,187 --> 01:55:30,507
Speaker 8: of the severity of that change, we didn't have that.

2249
01:55:31,267 --> 01:55:35,307
Speaker 2: How difficult or not is it to change habits that

2250
01:55:35,587 --> 01:55:38,707
Speaker 2: you know, change techniques that you've perhaps been doing for

2251
01:55:38,827 --> 01:55:41,467
Speaker 2: quite some time. How challenging is it to change those

2252
01:55:41,907 --> 01:55:43,827
Speaker 2: those or even make those small tweaks.

2253
01:55:44,667 --> 01:55:46,787
Speaker 8: So I've learned this throughout my career that to me,

2254
01:55:46,947 --> 01:55:49,707
Speaker 8: I say easy because I'm engaged with my brain.

2255
01:55:49,907 --> 01:55:52,667
Speaker 6: I'm very body aware. I know, I'm very aware of where.

2256
01:55:52,547 --> 01:55:53,547
Speaker 4: My body is in space.

2257
01:55:53,987 --> 01:55:56,627
Speaker 8: So easy ish for me, but for others very hard

2258
01:55:56,747 --> 01:55:59,827
Speaker 8: to break a long standing sort of technique that's been

2259
01:55:59,987 --> 01:56:00,867
Speaker 8: ingrained into your right.

2260
01:56:00,987 --> 01:56:03,667
Speaker 6: But for me it's been really easy.

2261
01:56:03,827 --> 01:56:05,507
Speaker 8: We've been very conscious. It sort of helped me have

2262
01:56:05,507 --> 01:56:07,867
Speaker 8: a better body position and how mccore up a bit better. Like,

2263
01:56:07,987 --> 01:56:09,987
Speaker 8: I'm very aware of what I'm doing in the water,

2264
01:56:10,107 --> 01:56:12,627
Speaker 8: So for me, not very different, not very difficult, but

2265
01:56:13,187 --> 01:56:13,467
Speaker 8: it is.

2266
01:56:13,627 --> 01:56:14,787
Speaker 4: Usually quite a hard thing to do.

2267
01:56:15,147 --> 01:56:16,787
Speaker 2: So a couple of months out from the World Champs

2268
01:56:16,787 --> 01:56:18,467
Speaker 2: in September, how do you reckon your tracking? How are

2269
01:56:18,467 --> 01:56:20,227
Speaker 2: you feeling good?

2270
01:56:20,347 --> 01:56:22,267
Speaker 8: Yeah, well, a little bit sick at the moment, but yeah,

2271
01:56:22,307 --> 01:56:24,187
Speaker 8: that's all just yeah, it's gone and gone on a

2272
01:56:24,307 --> 01:56:26,347
Speaker 8: floody good in a.

2273
01:56:26,347 --> 01:56:28,107
Speaker 6: Good gym session or a good swim right.

2274
01:56:29,987 --> 01:56:30,067
Speaker 7: Now?

2275
01:56:30,267 --> 01:56:31,187
Speaker 6: Yeah, really good tracking?

2276
01:56:31,187 --> 01:56:32,747
Speaker 8: Really, And I see we've had some good race results

2277
01:56:32,787 --> 01:56:36,107
Speaker 8: this year pre going to Japan and the post Japan

2278
01:56:36,667 --> 01:56:40,027
Speaker 8: racing out in Zee Championships. So yeah, some really good results,

2279
01:56:40,347 --> 01:56:43,147
Speaker 8: looking really good in terms of where we're tracking towards it.

2280
01:56:43,267 --> 01:56:47,387
Speaker 8: So excited to race, Excited to sort of, I guess

2281
01:56:47,987 --> 01:56:50,547
Speaker 8: get even a little bit really right now, I'm sitting

2282
01:56:50,587 --> 01:56:53,347
Speaker 8: world number one and number world number one until my races,

2283
01:56:53,427 --> 01:56:56,507
Speaker 8: so like looking good versus the competitors. However, that's not

2284
01:56:56,627 --> 01:57:00,227
Speaker 8: the that's not the clinical for the year. So yeah,

2285
01:57:00,387 --> 01:57:01,267
Speaker 8: things they're looking good.

2286
01:57:01,547 --> 01:57:04,387
Speaker 2: Just clarify which events you're racing in in Singapore.

2287
01:57:04,507 --> 01:57:07,147
Speaker 6: Fifty three style on hundred freestyle and to me this backstroke.

2288
01:57:07,347 --> 01:57:10,027
Speaker 2: All right, so you're fourth in the men's fifty three

2289
01:57:10,147 --> 01:57:13,427
Speaker 2: and men's fifty back in Paris, narrowly missing a metal

2290
01:57:13,507 --> 01:57:15,547
Speaker 2: in both. I remember you said to me you didn't

2291
01:57:15,547 --> 01:57:17,707
Speaker 2: want to finish your Olympic career with a couple of fourths.

2292
01:57:18,547 --> 01:57:20,107
Speaker 2: How are you tracking for LA? Do you feel like

2293
01:57:20,147 --> 01:57:21,747
Speaker 2: you're on target? I know it's a long way away,

2294
01:57:21,827 --> 01:57:24,867
Speaker 2: but I know you planned things metronomically. How are you

2295
01:57:24,947 --> 01:57:25,827
Speaker 2: tracking towards LA?

2296
01:57:26,667 --> 01:57:26,867
Speaker 6: Yeah?

2297
01:57:26,947 --> 01:57:27,147
Speaker 4: Good?

2298
01:57:27,347 --> 01:57:30,747
Speaker 8: I mean this year because of the sore loser last year,

2299
01:57:30,747 --> 01:57:33,507
Speaker 8: I come back and then we're really sort of shaken

2300
01:57:33,627 --> 01:57:37,307
Speaker 8: things up and we're doing things now very purposely for

2301
01:57:37,627 --> 01:57:40,467
Speaker 8: la SO. Changes that we're making in terms of us

2302
01:57:40,507 --> 01:57:42,507
Speaker 8: at home, you know, moving house, moving off farm and

2303
01:57:42,547 --> 01:57:45,867
Speaker 8: stuff like that to allow that to happen, but also

2304
01:57:46,227 --> 01:57:48,507
Speaker 8: what we've been looking into it to sports science stuff

2305
01:57:48,907 --> 01:57:51,067
Speaker 8: this year through New Zealand, at high performance sport in

2306
01:57:51,067 --> 01:57:53,427
Speaker 8: New Zealand, through nutrition, and it's all to feed a

2307
01:57:53,467 --> 01:57:56,427
Speaker 8: bigger picture towards la SO.

2308
01:57:56,587 --> 01:57:57,667
Speaker 4: I say, tracking really good.

2309
01:57:57,707 --> 01:58:00,427
Speaker 8: We haven't made massive changes this year in some spaces,

2310
01:58:00,467 --> 01:58:04,547
Speaker 8: but we're gathering data insights to track versus performance in

2311
01:58:04,627 --> 01:58:08,187
Speaker 8: Singapore and then look to make post Singapore looking forward

2312
01:58:08,187 --> 01:58:10,667
Speaker 8: to Europeans next year in World's Year out, Yeah, looking

2313
01:58:10,707 --> 01:58:12,627
Speaker 8: forward to out essentially outstanding.

2314
01:58:13,107 --> 01:58:15,547
Speaker 2: Well, I've got you your day job disability and pair

2315
01:58:15,587 --> 01:58:18,987
Speaker 2: of swimming participation manager for Swimming New Zealand. What takes

2316
01:58:19,027 --> 01:58:20,267
Speaker 2: up most of your time in that role.

2317
01:58:21,867 --> 01:58:23,587
Speaker 6: Trying to find the next version of me and Dame

2318
01:58:23,627 --> 01:58:24,347
Speaker 6: Pasco and.

2319
01:58:25,107 --> 01:58:28,307
Speaker 2: Yeah, how's that going? How's that going? Are they coming from?

2320
01:58:28,907 --> 01:58:29,227
Speaker 4: They are?

2321
01:58:29,347 --> 01:58:29,547
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2322
01:58:29,627 --> 01:58:30,387
Speaker 4: I mean that's the thing.

2323
01:58:30,427 --> 01:58:32,267
Speaker 8: I've been doing this row six or seven years now,

2324
01:58:32,347 --> 01:58:35,147
Speaker 8: and when I started, we couldn't have told you who

2325
01:58:35,267 --> 01:58:37,427
Speaker 8: was our sort of prospects for the next two games.

2326
01:58:37,467 --> 01:58:37,867
Speaker 6: Where is now?

2327
01:58:37,867 --> 01:58:39,787
Speaker 8: I can pretty comfortably tell you who's looking good for

2328
01:58:40,307 --> 01:58:44,027
Speaker 8: twenty eight and twenty twenty thirty two games in terms

2329
01:58:44,067 --> 01:58:46,107
Speaker 8: of who are I doing and seeing coming through, Which

2330
01:58:46,187 --> 01:58:47,587
Speaker 8: is amazing really to have that.

2331
01:58:48,227 --> 01:58:49,307
Speaker 6: Far forward in the future.

2332
01:58:49,387 --> 01:58:51,507
Speaker 8: And I mean, that's what my job is all about,

2333
01:58:51,627 --> 01:58:54,107
Speaker 8: is trying to establish those pathways for them and work

2334
01:58:54,187 --> 01:58:58,067
Speaker 8: with the club coaches feed not only like that's the

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Speaker 8: only the like the competitive piece.

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Speaker 6: There's a whole heap of spasion project which are really cool.

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Speaker 8: That we've got going on that is a little bit

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Speaker 8: more just around like the therapeutic side of being in

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Speaker 8: the water and creating relationships people with compeerment and being

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Speaker 8: in the water and I guess finding a space or

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01:59:13,867 --> 01:59:17,107
Speaker 8: a sport or a sensory experience that is for them.

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Speaker 2: How can you tell so far out whether a swimmer

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Speaker 2: has what it takes to be a successful twenty thirty

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Speaker 2: two Olympian or even a twenty twenty eight Olympian. I mean,

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Speaker 2: obviously you can look at their technique in the way

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Speaker 2: that they move through the water, but how can you tell,

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01:59:33,707 --> 01:59:35,907
Speaker 2: you know, from a mental point of view, that someone

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Speaker 2: has what it takes.

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01:59:38,267 --> 01:59:41,907
Speaker 8: You've got your dirty old statistical tracking stuff that says

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Speaker 8: they're in a really good position now versus what the

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01:59:44,507 --> 01:59:47,827
Speaker 8: world's standards are. So that like that's a dirty or

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01:59:47,867 --> 01:59:51,067
Speaker 8: performance marker, right. But then there's uncoachables. You know, are

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01:59:51,107 --> 01:59:53,947
Speaker 8: they driven, do they turn up? Are they always seeking more?

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Speaker 4: You know it?

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Speaker 8: Does their age plan to it? What are their performance behaviors?

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Speaker 8: Are they with good clubs like that sort of Stuff's

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Speaker 8: the uncoachables.

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Speaker 6: Do they have a desire? Is it actually what they

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Speaker 6: want to achieve?

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Speaker 8: Because there's so many people who have the dream of

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Speaker 8: going to Olympics or Parallemic Games, And I mean to

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02:00:10,707 --> 02:00:12,427
Speaker 8: put a blunt there, it's just words. You've got to

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Speaker 8: have action by in it. So probably what I'm trying

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Speaker 8: to say is that these people actually do have a

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Speaker 8: bit of action to them at these early stages and

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Speaker 8: are tracking nicely on a performance marker as well.

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Speaker 2: Do you often do you see a little bit of

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Speaker 2: your younger self and some of these younger swims totally.

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Speaker 8: I see my parents and a lot of the parents

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Speaker 8: I work with as well. You know, they used to

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Speaker 8: have to put in the fight, and that's sort of

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Speaker 8: what my job's there for is to remove that fight

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Speaker 8: for them and show that it's a you know, it's

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02:00:35,627 --> 02:00:38,067
Speaker 8: a sport pathway in a program, a space that is

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Speaker 8: actually welcoming of impairment, and if you've got an issue,

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02:00:40,667 --> 02:00:41,867
Speaker 8: you just take it up the same way you would

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Speaker 8: with any other club swimmer.

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Speaker 6: It's not you don't have to yell and scream about it.

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Speaker 8: And you know, my kid never gets this chance to

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02:00:48,467 --> 02:00:52,467
Speaker 8: absolutely get the chance of swimming, So it's I can

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Speaker 8: definitely see young me and young young my parents, and

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02:00:55,787 --> 02:00:57,787
Speaker 8: I mean some of the ones who acquire injuries as well.

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Speaker 6: There's others who have come through in a power pathway

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Speaker 6: that are at the.

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Speaker 8: Same time as me, and you see them in those

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Speaker 8: swimmers as well. It's really cool, Israel cot mart real passion,

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02:01:07,547 --> 02:01:11,307
Speaker 8: passionate role for me with me, such great progress in

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02:01:11,507 --> 02:01:13,307
Speaker 8: that it's it's really cool to start seeing some of

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Speaker 8: the people who I've worked with in terms of young

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Speaker 8: athletes coming through and being on national teams with me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, your passion so obvious, mate. The valuable perspective your

2393
02:01:21,907 --> 02:01:26,347
Speaker 2: bring must be incredibly valuable to our next next wave

2394
02:01:26,427 --> 02:01:28,267
Speaker 2: of swimmers. And for you made off to the World

2395
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Speaker 2: champs and Singapore, so all the best over there look

2396
02:01:30,347 --> 02:01:31,587
Speaker 2: forward to catching up when you get back.

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Speaker 4: Yer, thank you very much, No, thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: Cam cam Lesley are one of our great paralympians off

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Speaker 2: to another World Championship in Singapore in September eight and

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Speaker 2: a half away from three. News TALKSB.

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Speaker 1: When it's down to the line, you made a call

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Speaker 1: on eight eighty Weekend Sport with Jason Hine News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: Coming up five to three from Go Media Stadium. The

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Speaker 2: Warriors women in action against the Gold Coast Titans. Eight

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02:01:57,587 --> 02:02:00,267
Speaker 2: and a half minutes gone. The Titans have scored a

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02:02:00,347 --> 02:02:02,667
Speaker 2: try and converted it. They lead to six nil. The

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Speaker 2: men's game to follow, of course at five o'clock as

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02:02:05,227 --> 02:02:07,747
Speaker 2: the Warriors looked to avoid what happened when they played

2409
02:02:07,787 --> 02:02:11,427
Speaker 2: the Titans last year and lost sixty six six. Hopefully

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Speaker 2: that might happen again this afternoon. We'll cover off all

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Speaker 2: the league and other stuff for you on the show tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Tim Beverage after three with the Weekend Collective. Thank you

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Speaker 2: for listening in this afternoon. Huge thanks to Any McDonald

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Speaker 2: for producing the show as always, which earns you the

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Speaker 2: exit song.

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Speaker 19: Yes Piney and today I've managed to keep it under

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02:02:29,547 --> 02:02:31,627
Speaker 19: wraps for a couple of weeks. I haven't used it yet,

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Speaker 19: but it's one of my favorite times of the year

2419
02:02:33,947 --> 02:02:36,507
Speaker 19: because we have Tour de France and Tour de France

2420
02:02:36,547 --> 02:02:38,947
Speaker 19: van Sutz as well tomorrow night, so I've gone for

2421
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Speaker 19: Queen's Bicycle race to see us out.

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Speaker 2: Excellent choice. See you tomorrow at midday, folks.

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Speaker 20: Case waits for your candidate for a lot again.

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Speaker 5: So I want to do it.

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Speaker 3: I want to.

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Speaker 17: I want to ride my busy girl.

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Speaker 20: I want to ride my bye I want to ride

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Speaker 20: my by guy.

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Speaker 10: I want to ride it.

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Speaker 20: Where are.

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Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine. Listen live

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