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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spence to find the real story story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duplessy Eland drive with one New Zealand. Let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 3: Afternoon coming up today. More than thirty six thousand nurses

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Speaker 3: are going to strike from tomorrow morning at nine. Can

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Speaker 3: you go to the hospital tomorrow we'll find out from

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Speaker 3: Health New Zealand Rob Fife, Michael Hill's chair on Michael

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Speaker 3: Hill passing away and we're going to tell you the

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Speaker 3: latest development in the quite controversial and degregious Muana childcare case.

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Speaker 4: Heather duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So sad news today that Michael Hill jeweler has

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Speaker 3: passed away again, another larger than life figure in New

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Speaker 3: Zealand business, the likes of which we don't seem to

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Speaker 3: be making anymore now. I don't know if you realize.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've all grown up with Michael Hill just

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Speaker 3: being you know, name we knew, But I don't know

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Speaker 3: if you realize how amazing his story was. But he

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Speaker 3: did not start his jewelry business until he was forty

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Speaker 3: years old. He'd up to then been working as a

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Speaker 3: manager in his family's jewelry piness. He left school at sixteen,

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Speaker 3: headed straight there. He's there for twenty three years, got married,

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Speaker 3: had a couple of kids. One day his house burnt down,

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Speaker 3: go up in flames, he decided he needed to change things.

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Speaker 3: So he started his own shop and it was a success.

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Speaker 3: It was more successful than his uncle's business. So he

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Speaker 3: opened seven shops in seven years and that was a success.

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Speaker 3: So he then decided to open another seventy in seven years.

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Speaker 3: And now his business is global. It's in New Zealand,

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Speaker 3: it's in Australia, it's in Canada. He's worked with Kim Kardashian,

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Speaker 3: He's designed his own golf course, he has a luxury

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Speaker 3: super yacht, he's got himself a knighthood, And isn't it

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Speaker 3: remarkable when you think about it, that all of those

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Speaker 3: things happened after he took a massive risk when he

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Speaker 3: tipping it all up and deciding to start your own

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Speaker 3: business at forty What I love about Michael Hill's story

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Speaker 3: many souccessful people do. He set goals and he visualized them.

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Speaker 3: So he wrote his goals down for years, in advanced

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Speaker 3: seven years, sometimes even as many as thirty years, and

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Speaker 3: what we can achieve. He was more, obviously though, than

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Speaker 3: just a man who was into money. He promoted art.

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Speaker 3: He was very good at violent and in fact so

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Speaker 3: good he founded an international violin competition for young players.

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Speaker 3: He donated to health research, He took his New Zealand

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Speaker 3: He is an inspiration and he is a loss, but

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Speaker 3: more importantly, he is an example to us all we

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Speaker 3: just need to set our goals and then go for it.

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Speaker 4: Together do for sea LA.

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Speaker 2: Which number nine two.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen standard tech fees applied. There are calls for tougher

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Speaker 3: rules for pharmacists after the death of a two month

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Speaker 3: Now the child's parents and also a NICU doctor are

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Speaker 3: questioning why pharmacists don't have to have their medication checked

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Speaker 3: a client. Lanny Wong is the director of MUNG of

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Speaker 3: Phi Pharmacy and sits on the National Executive at the

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Speaker 3: Pharmaceutical Society. Lanny, Hello, Gerda, Heather. Do you think that

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Speaker 3: every medication should be checked by a second set of

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Speaker 5: You know in the perfect will? Yes, double checking is

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Speaker 5: Even if you're by yourself, you're meant to double check

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Speaker 3: Does that happen?

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Speaker 5: Yes? And though you know, most of most of the

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Speaker 5: time farmists do their best, but often the system does

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Speaker 4: To do that.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's a very complex thing to explain, but the

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Speaker 5: have a system that prioritized volume over value. So there's

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Speaker 5: a fundamental flaw and the way our funding model is

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Speaker 5: shaped so as you know, the way pharmacy revenue comes

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Speaker 5: You know, So, for example, if you come across a

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Speaker 5: discuss clinical reasoning, all that takes time and it can

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Speaker 5: a situation like that, you know, you could be spending

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Speaker 5: but you won't be remunerated for sorting out a very

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Speaker 3: Well, everybody, everybody's remunerated for being productive, aren't we forgetting

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Speaker 3: as much done as possible as fast as possible.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that you put it put it quite rightly here there,

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Speaker 5: So we're being remuneratedble being productive.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now this thing that the kid was given, so

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Speaker 3: was this baby girl was premature. She was given phosphate?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so you look, I'm not as specialist. I think

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Speaker 5: the MECO specialists that explained that in this article, like

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Speaker 5: of you know, vinlin and minerals. So phosphate is one

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Speaker 3: Right, Okay, so it's giving them something that they don't have. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I would have, Lenny, I would have thought that, you know,

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I would, Yeah, I would. There will be the

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Speaker 5: normal assumption. However, you know, like in terms of what

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Speaker 5: It does seem out of place. I don't think any

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Speaker 5: pharmacists will disagree with your sentiment. You know, obviously something

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Speaker 5: went wrong here and we need to understand what that is.

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Speaker 5: Because the work we do a compact scripts like that.

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Speaker 3: Do you not think I mean, do you not think

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Speaker 3: I acknowledge that you guys are just humans? Right, You're

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Speaker 3: Lanny Wong Mung of Phi Pharmacy. Also, as I said earlier,

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Speaker 3: need to triple check it ourselves. Here. The Michael Hills

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Speaker 3: He was a decent guy, bit nerdy, worst things said

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Speaker 3: Hither I love Michael Hill's book and inspired me to

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Speaker 8: Awesome golf course.

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Speaker 3: Have you played it well?

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Speaker 3: It is spector with all the sculptures and stuff. It's

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Speaker 3: true that he built a castle.

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Speaker 8: I'm not as biographer.

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Speaker 9: What for himself on the of course, I don't know.

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Speaker 9: Wouldn't surprise me.

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Speaker 9: The boat that he built looks like the Rock of

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Speaker 9: Gibraltar castle, isn't it.

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Speaker 8: Not entirely sure about that?

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Speaker 9: Acidically maybe not exactly pleasing, but definitely statement made.

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Speaker 9: They've had a reasonable record than In fact, I think

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Speaker 3: The caddy walks in front of his golf cart and

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Speaker 3: They don't want to deal with the tantrums.

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Speaker 9: It's all diversion, That's what it is, sort of it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Darcy, appreciate it, Darcy Watergrave. Sports Talk Coaster.

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Speaker 3: B listen, it's getting it's going from from I was

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Speaker 4: There'd be.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: The government is facing a little bit of heats today

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Speaker 4: It's the world wires on news talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 4: There's no reason in waiting.

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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Speaker 3: Back to the way it used to be, writing, not talking.

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Speaker 3: It was a good time, It really was. Now, how's

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Speaker 2: I've got a new teriff for the world? Well, what

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Speaker 4: You're weirdo?

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Speaker 3: Do you think, muzz? I mean there is. It seems

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Speaker 3: to me there are two potential ways to deal with this,

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Speaker 3: you know, adequately. One is that you do the kirstarma

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Speaker 3: and you suck up like you wouldn't believe. The second

443
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Speaker 3: is that you do in New Zealand, you just you

444
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Speaker 3: just try to hide away and don't ruin any attention.

445
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Speaker 3: But has has Albert run the risk of potentially maybe

446
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Speaker 3: just antagonized Trump just either so slightly like you know,

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Speaker 3: he's not doesn't sound like a Trump fanboy.

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Speaker 2: He's not a Trump fanboy. But you know, to be honest,

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Speaker 2: I mean, does Donald Trump even know where Australia is?

450
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Speaker 2: Is he sure we're not Austria? I mean, the guy

451
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Speaker 2: is just the weirdest duck in the whole pond, don't

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Speaker 2: you think. I mean, how the hell do you deal

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Speaker 2: with the guy? Well, how do you draw up policies

454
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Speaker 2: to drive and deal with Washington?

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Speaker 3: He's don't ask me. This is battling the most smart

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Speaker 3: people in the world. I've got no bloody idea either. Jeez,

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's just weird.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Now it is This pro Palestinian protest march's going

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Speaker 3: to happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, not if the government has its way. This is

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Speaker 2: a proposed march across the Sydney Harbor Bridge on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: The group here in Sydney is called the Palestine Action Group.

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Speaker 2: It's been protesting for the last couple of years, just

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Speaker 2: about every weekend and places like Hyde Park. But given

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Speaker 2: what's going on in Gaza now, the images we've seen

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Speaker 2: of starving children the like, the Palestine Action Group has

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Speaker 2: applied for permission, as is required out of the law.

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Speaker 2: Has asked the police for permission to march on the

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Speaker 2: Sydney Harbor Bridge on Sunday. The state government has said,

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Speaker 2: not on your nelly. The bridge is a major artery

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Speaker 2: through the city. We can't have a block for a protest.

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Speaker 2: The group itself says, right, if that's the case, if

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Speaker 2: we're not going to be allowed to be going to

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Speaker 2: go to the Supreme Court to challenge that decision. And

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Speaker 2: by the way, don't you think that closing the bridge

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Speaker 2: for a movie scene a couple of three weeks back,

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Speaker 2: the Sydney Marathon's coming up in two weeks. That's going

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Speaker 2: to be closed for that. The Pride March that Anthony

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Speaker 2: Albanizi marched than a year ago. The bridge was shot

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Speaker 2: for that as well. So don't tell me you don't

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Speaker 2: close the bridge for big events. We're planning a big event. Yes,

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Speaker 2: So it's going to go to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 3: It looks like that's a fair point that you make. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Now tell me what's been going on with this childcare story?

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Speaker 2: Oh, dreadful, just beyond measure. This is on top of

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Speaker 2: what's happened down in Melbourne that guy Joshua Brown charged

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Speaker 2: with more than seventy child abuse offenses. That guy, you know,

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Speaker 2: Heather worked at more than twenty I think twenty three

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Speaker 2: or twenty four. Child said in about four years. I mean,

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Speaker 2: how many jobs have you had? I mean this guy's

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Speaker 2: gone fore he's.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe we're going to have to leave their muzz

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Speaker 3: Sorry about that. Murray Old's Australia corresponding, what's going on here?

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Speaker 3: To give you the you don't need too much detail,

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Speaker 3: do you work? As been accused of bashing a one

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Speaker 3: year old in Queensland, So maybe they just need to

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Speaker 3: have a good old look at who they're letting look

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Speaker 3: after children. What do you think ever?

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Speaker 4: Duplus Ellen.

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Speaker 3: Now I'm gonna update you, speaking of children, update you

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Speaker 3: on the case of Mowana.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you remember this. This is a

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Speaker 3: big thing ahead of the last election. Mwana is a

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Speaker 3: little girl who has been in foster carer. Her mom

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Speaker 3: did not deserve to look after her anymore. She'd been

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Speaker 3: taken off her mum a number of times, so she's

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Speaker 3: given to this foster family. And I think it was

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Speaker 3: around about twenty eighteen something like that. Anyway, three years

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Speaker 3: or so later, twenty twenty oneish ordering a TAMAITAKEI formerly

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Speaker 3: known as Sif's decides to take Mouana away from her

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Speaker 3: foster parents because Mowana is Mari and her foster parents

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Speaker 3: are parqui. How literally, I am not making it up.

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Speaker 3: That is why they wanted to do it, because they

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Speaker 3: didn't think that she could that they could look after

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Speaker 3: that ot did not think that the family could look

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Speaker 3: after her cultural needs anyway in the end, So these

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Speaker 3: this couple sound like just the kind of people that

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Speaker 3: you want to live next door to. They sound so decent.

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Speaker 3: They fought it through the courts and they managed to

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Speaker 3: keep Moana and they have got her. They're looking after her.

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Speaker 3: But ordung A Tamidiki has just been absolutely spanked by

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Speaker 3: a judge for this but for egregious behavior and order

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Speaker 3: to pay the costs estimated to be around one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eight thousand dollars. Now what this is is it's

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Speaker 3: indemnity costs against udung A Tamidiki to pay the couple

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Speaker 3: for what they had to pay in legal costs to

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Speaker 3: look after the school. I mean, how decent are you

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Speaker 3: as a person if you sink one hundred and eight

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars into fighting a legal battle to look after

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Speaker 3: a child that isn't even your own flesh and blood.

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Speaker 3: But that is how much you care about the child anyway,

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Speaker 3: so Ot, because they were helping the court case against

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Speaker 3: the family, they've now been ordered to pay for that.

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Speaker 3: Indemnity costs are exceptional. They are only awarded against a

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Speaker 3: party that has acted very unreasonably. The judge said, I

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Speaker 3: accept the couple's submission that there was a campin by

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Speaker 3: OT against them to discredit them, and this was pursued

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Speaker 3: on appeal. The egregious aspect of this approach is that

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Speaker 3: ordering it, somebody can continue to discredit and undermine the

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Speaker 3: couple on appeal anyway. Guess what, Guess who doesn't want

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Speaker 3: to talk about it? Oh that's right, Ot Minister will

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Speaker 3: speak to us about half past five, sixteen away from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with centric credit, check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 3: Write thirteen away from five and barries so per senior

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Speaker 3: political correspondence. Yeah, hello barrin, good afternoon. So the electoral

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Speaker 3: law changes have been past first reading off to the

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Speaker 3: Select Committee.

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Speaker 8: Yes, and the interesting thing is they will be reported

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Speaker 8: back by December. Beginning of December, which means they'll be

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Speaker 8: in place for the next election. Now you can imagine

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Speaker 8: there was a lot of heated debate about this, that

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Speaker 8: people being disenfranchised, people losing the right to vote. I mean,

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Speaker 8: it's absolutely absurd. The rules are going to be out

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Speaker 8: there quite clear. In Australia, for example, twenty six days

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Speaker 8: they have they have to be enrolled before an election.

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Speaker 8: Here we've cut it down to thirteen, even though before

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Speaker 8: that they could enroll on election day. As we all

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Speaker 8: know now the sponsor of the bill and mending the

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Speaker 8: electoral Law as of course, the Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith,

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Speaker 8: who had what he saw was an explanation as to

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Speaker 8: why around one hundred thousand people enrolled on election day

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Speaker 8: the last time round to vote on election day. That

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Speaker 8: is following him was Labour's duncan where they are.

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Speaker 14: We had the Electoral Commission, on one hand saying with

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Speaker 14: one message saying get enrolled, get and rolled, and they're

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Speaker 14: funded with many millions of dollars to encourage people to enroll,

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Speaker 14: which the law says you should do. But on the

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Speaker 14: other hand they were also saying, but by the way,

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Speaker 14: don't bother because you can just rock up on election

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Speaker 14: day and vote. And more people heard the second message

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Speaker 14: than heard the first message, and as a result, more

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Speaker 14: and more people were turning up and enrolling when they voted.

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Speaker 15: It's a dark day for democracy. What's Christopher Lutson doing?

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Speaker 15: He is making it harder for people to vote. It's shameful,

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Speaker 15: It's absolutely shameful. He was to stop people enrolling, stop

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Speaker 15: all those people exercising their vote.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's absurd to say that they're stopping people from enrolling.

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Speaker 8: They're trying to enlighten people, to get them put their

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Speaker 8: thinking caps on when it comes to an election and

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Speaker 8: get out and enroll. It's not that hard. So who

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Speaker 8: are those people who turned out on election day last

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Speaker 8: time round to vote and enroll? Well, the Green's co

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Speaker 8: leader Madame Davidson seems to think she knows. She outlined

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Speaker 8: in a question to the Primes.

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Speaker 16: Should renters young people Marty, Asian and PACIFICA communities be

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Speaker 16: afforded less access to democracy just because they are more

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Speaker 16: likely to need to cast a special vote.

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Speaker 14: I think all New Zealanders are quite capable of getting

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Speaker 14: registered two weeks out from an election, and I think

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Speaker 14: they would be insulting to suggest otherwise.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and I totally agree. I mean, there's going to

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Speaker 8: be an advertising bullitz and the lead up to the

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Speaker 8: next election, as there is at every election. And if

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Speaker 8: people don't know that an election's on and think they

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Speaker 8: can turn up on the day and en roll, I've

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Speaker 8: never done it in my life. And I voted many,

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Speaker 8: many times in elections.

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Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, it's quite a hot one for me. I

601
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Speaker 3: don't understand why.

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Speaker 8: Well, it just gets up my nose when there's these

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Speaker 8: absurd claims by people that are meant to know something

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Speaker 8: about the electoral system, like Duncan Webb, who's an academic,

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Speaker 8: to say that they're being robbed of the right to vote.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean the very least been slightly frustrated. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we are to be fair going.

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Speaker 8: They crazy, don't get off going.

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Speaker 3: Back thirty two years in time, right, the last time

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Speaker 3: you had to do this two weeks in advance was

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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three. Bearing Oh isn't that terrible? Oh you

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Speaker 3: are oh just for you are so raising on this.

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Speaker 3: It's not even that big deal anyway. Listen, government's doing

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Speaker 3: the right thing, aren't they, with the with the board members.

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Speaker 8: Pay well, the old story, isn't it. You pay peanutch,

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Speaker 8: you get monkeys and you only have to look at

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Speaker 8: the New Zealand Health Board to understand that when Lester

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Speaker 8: Leavey had to be brought and they were spending more

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Speaker 8: than over spending more than one hundred and thirty million

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Speaker 8: dollars a week. So Lester Leevey was brought in to

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Speaker 8: try and bring it right. But you know you've got

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Speaker 8: if you want to pay, if you want the public

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Speaker 8: service to run well, and these are state sector companies

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Speaker 8: that are being run, you've got to be able to

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Speaker 8: pay them. Not as much maybe as the private sector.

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Speaker 8: But I'll tell you what, everybody's got terribly excited about this.

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Speaker 8: No one was excited when it was announced last last

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Speaker 8: November by Paul Goldsmith. He put out a statement he

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Speaker 8: said that look, they'll be bringing director fees to twenty

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Speaker 8: two Crown old owned companies closer to the market rate.

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Speaker 8: And then he said they will be up to eighty

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Speaker 8: to ninety percent of the private rate. Now, if people

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Speaker 8: didn't read that, sorry, they had plenty of notice. Yet again, Lord, whatever.

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Speaker 3: You've taken today, you need to just half the dose.

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Speaker 3: Half the dose?

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Speaker 8: Are even the sleep in this country?

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Speaker 13: Oh wow?

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Speaker 3: Okay, very sober senior political correspondent, Way too much coffee

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Speaker 3: today nine away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking.

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Speaker 17: Breakfast the peas associated with the old tap and go

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Speaker 17: the card transactions are generally being banned now. Scott Simpson

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Speaker 17: is the Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister and he's in

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Speaker 17: charge of all of this. Are you disappointed in the

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Speaker 17: reaction from all the people going I'm just going to

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Speaker 17: pass the cost on, Well, you say, am, actually, because

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Speaker 17: I think that this is a real win for New

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Speaker 17: Zealand consumers and actually it's a win for New Zealand

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Speaker 17: businesses as well. This is a cost on business, though,

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Speaker 17: isn't it. Could you not have done more as a

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Speaker 17: government towards the banks as opposed to towards the dairy owner.

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Speaker 1: Well that's a matter for the Commerce Commissions, the Commerce.

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Speaker 7: Commission that regulates and to change fees. They'll be watching

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Speaker 7: very carefully this reaction as well.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they might have another of it.

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Speaker 17: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 17: a Vida News Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad Barry sees it the way he does. He's right, Heather,

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Speaker 3: I agree with Barry. Heather, get with it, Heather, Barry's

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Speaker 3: a sad ass hat, Heather. I agree with Barry one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent, and I've only had two coffees today. Ge

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Speaker 3: was okay, listen, good good point from somebody on the

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Speaker 3: text machine who in ot is being sacked over that

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Speaker 3: court case with Mwana and her foster. Pearance Minister's going

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Speaker 3: to be with us after half past five, so I'll

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Speaker 3: ask her that now we started the program. I've been

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Speaker 3: meaning to get to the start of the program talking

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Speaker 3: about that terrible news that actually it's been around for

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Speaker 3: a we've known about it for I want to say,

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Speaker 3: like thirty six hours or so, that the pharmacy prescribed

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Speaker 3: somewhere in the manner were two to the premature baby

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Speaker 3: two months old, prescribed an adult dose of phosphate which

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Speaker 3: then led to the baby dying. Well, we had a

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Speaker 3: mix up with it wasn't the pharmacy and it was

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Speaker 3: not nearly obviously the serious at all. I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: terrible what's happened to that baby. But we had like

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Speaker 3: a bit of a weird mix up the other day too,

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Speaker 3: because I took the little one and she's six months now,

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Speaker 3: took her into the doctor because had a bit of

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Speaker 3: exmil on the back and I said to the doctor,

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Speaker 3: I've got a bit a hydrocholder zone it a steroid,

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Speaker 3: you know, one percent whatever. You know, I'm not a doctor,

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Speaker 3: but I think I know what i'm doing. And he

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Speaker 3: was like, no, no, I'm going to prescribe you as

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Speaker 3: zero point five percent sterro, just something a bit light.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh cool. Now I couldn't go. I

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Speaker 3: didn't have time before coming to it to get it

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Speaker 3: from the pharmacy. So I got it picked up right,

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Speaker 3: So that got arranged. It was picked up the dad. Dad,

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Speaker 3: gave baby a bath, put it on her back, like

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Speaker 3: the doctor said, yeah, put it to bed. I got

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Speaker 3: home that night put it to bed. And then, you know,

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Speaker 3: being a dad, the house was just a shite storm,

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Speaker 3: wasn't it. So I was going around cleaning up everything.

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Speaker 3: There's a random towel, there's this, there's and then I

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Speaker 3: was like, what, oh hello, did you put this on

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Speaker 3: her back?

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Speaker 10: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I did it. Oh that's his that's hemorrhoid cream.

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Speaker 3: And that says for rectal use only in big block

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Speaker 3: letters and also not to be used on children under

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Speaker 3: the age of twelve. So I was like, okay, good

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Speaker 3: to know that you're reading your stuff. So I called

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Speaker 3: plunket line. They were like, oh no, you're gonna have

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Speaker 3: to get her up. Oh no, wash that off. So

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Speaker 3: we got the baby up, poor little thing, got her up,

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Speaker 3: put her in a bathroomly quickly washed it off. She's

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Speaker 3: back in bed within fifteen minutes, not a problem. She

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Speaker 3: went back to sleep. It was a bit confused about

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Speaker 3: what happened anyway, got a hold of the doctor the

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Speaker 3: next day. It was his computer, just he just selected

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Speaker 3: the wrong one and it pumped out. And the lesson

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Speaker 3: in this again, this is the lesson. You have got chat, GPT,

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Speaker 3: now you have got Google AI. You've got all the

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Speaker 3: things right. So it doesn't matter if it's for your baby,

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Speaker 3: but especially if it's for your baby, but also for you.

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Speaker 3: Check the dosage before you use it. Just run it

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Speaker 3: through the op because it's going to tell you whether

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Speaker 3: it's the right my baby six months old is the

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Speaker 3: right dose for it, blah blah. You know, just give

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Speaker 3: it a double check. Pharmacists and doctors are humans. They're

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Speaker 3: gonna make mistakes and then fingers crossed, we can try

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Speaker 3: to just put one more blockade there before you know,

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Speaker 3: big mistakes happen anyway. Listen, nurses strike tomorrow. Let's talk

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Speaker 3: to Health New Zealand and find out whether you should

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Speaker 3: go to the doctor or not. News Talks at BE.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather du Pusy on Drive with One

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Speaker 1: New Zealand. Let's get connected.

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Speaker 4: News Talks at BE Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: More than thirty six thousand nurses are going on strike

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Speaker 3: for twenty four hours from nine tomorrow morning. Hospitals are

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Speaker 3: still going to be opened, but an estimated four three

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Speaker 3: hundred planned procedures and specialist appointments will have to be postponed.

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Speaker 3: Dame Helen Stokes Lampard is the acting Chief Clinical Officer

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Speaker 3: at Health New Zealand. Afternoon, Helen, good afternoon. Okay, if

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Speaker 3: someone is sick tomorrow or injured, should they still go

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Speaker 3: to hospital?

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Speaker 18: Absolutely?

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Speaker 7: Yes.

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Speaker 18: Health New Zealand And is committed to looking after our

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Speaker 18: most vulnerable patients and ensuring people are safe throughout this

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Speaker 18: really difficult time. However, people who will require non emergency care,

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Speaker 18: we would ask them to contact their GP first or

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Speaker 18: to call Healthline. That's eight hundred and six eleven eleven

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Speaker 18: six in the first instance, because we do need to

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Speaker 18: prioritize our emergency department for the true emergencies. If you're

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Speaker 18: frightened and you're not insured, do seek help, but just

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Speaker 18: be prepared that if it's not an emergency, care is

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Speaker 18: likely to be slower in our eds, which are already

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Speaker 18: incredibly busy at this time of year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how many how many nurses do you imagine you

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Speaker 3: would have, like out of a full roster tomorrow during

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Speaker 3: this twenty four hours.

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Speaker 18: Well, we'll be running at a very light level of nursing,

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Speaker 18: the sort of cave you'd expect on a bank holiday

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Speaker 18: like Christmas Day. So the minimum to provide safe care,

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Speaker 18: that's what we aim to do. Life preserving services is

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Speaker 18: how we define the care that's provided. And then those

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Speaker 18: who want to go on strike otherwise are free to

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Speaker 18: do so. But that does mean everybody else pulling together

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Speaker 18: to provide the cover to ensure the safe service, and

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Speaker 18: so everything else has to be deprioritized at that time.

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Speaker 3: How far apart are you guys with the nurses paywise.

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Speaker 18: Well, obviously we're disappointed that industrial action is going ahead,

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Speaker 18: and we were very keen that they know our offer

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Speaker 18: to the unions. We believe is fair, and what we

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Speaker 18: want to do is encourage the unions to focus their

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Speaker 18: efforts on the bargaining so that any outstanding issues can

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Speaker 18: be resolved. We honestly don't know right now. I would

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Speaker 18: like to think that everyone is keen to see a

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Speaker 18: resolution as soon as possible.

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Speaker 3: I mean, to be fair, what you're offering actually doesn't

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Speaker 3: seem that unreasonable. So how much more are they asking?

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Speaker 18: Well, I'm not privy to the details of those. You'd

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Speaker 18: have to ask one of my colleagues, but my understanding

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Speaker 18: is that a lot of the concerns are about safe staffing,

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Speaker 18: and of course all of us are health New Zealand

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Speaker 18: are absolutely committed to self staffing.

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Speaker 3: Are you saying are you saying it's not so much

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Speaker 3: about pay, it's about staffing levels.

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Speaker 18: Starping levels are one of the issues they're talking about,

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Speaker 18: and for us, safe staffing is all about the mix

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Speaker 18: of skills that we have, the way we provide care,

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Speaker 18: strongly called judgment and sort of thoughtful decision making from

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Speaker 18: everybody on the frontline.

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Speaker 3: So can I just get your tech on something? So

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Speaker 3: one of the complaints from the Nurses organization has been

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Speaker 3: that recently in christ ju there were such a shortage

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Speaker 3: of healthcare workers that family and friends were asked to

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Speaker 3: come in and look after people who were in hospital.

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Speaker 3: Is is that acceptable?

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Speaker 18: It shouldn't have to happen that this is the case,

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Speaker 18: but there have been situations that are undesirable. What we

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Speaker 18: want is for people to be working within their right scope.

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Speaker 18: So that's healthcare professionals doing what healthcare professionals do. Clearly,

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Speaker 18: if family and friends want to help out, well that's different.

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Speaker 18: But it shouldn't be that in Health New Zealand that

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Speaker 18: we need the help of family and friends to run

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Speaker 18: a service.

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Speaker 3: Helen, thank you so much, Dame Helen Stokes Lampard, Acting

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Speaker 3: Health New Zealand Chief Clinical.

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Speaker 4: Officer Heather Duper see Ellen very.

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Speaker 3: Sad news todayut of the passing of a huge New

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Speaker 3: Zealand icon. Sir Michael Hill now Sir Michael opened his

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Speaker 3: first jewelry store in nineteen seventy nine. He set himself

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Speaker 3: a goal of opening seven stores and seven years and

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Speaker 3: today there are more than three hundred stores across Australia

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Speaker 3: and New Zealand and Canada. Rob Fife is the chair

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Speaker 3: of Michael Hill Hey Rob Hey, Heather rob Very very

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Speaker 3: sad Dave for you guys. Obviously he was quite remarkable

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Speaker 3: when you think about it, wasn't.

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Speaker 19: He He was incredibly sad. I feel it's left a

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Speaker 19: messive hole in my life. And I know, you know,

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Speaker 19: there's many people. I mean, he's a dedicated family man,

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Speaker 19: and you know, the family of doing it really really

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Speaker 19: tough at the moment. But he was a truly unique human.

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Speaker 19: You know, he opened his first store, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 19: you know, when he was forty, so he reinvented himself

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Speaker 19: as an entrepreneur when many people are already kind of

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Speaker 19: at the peak of whatever career they're in, and he

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Speaker 19: hit it off in this direction.

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Speaker 4: But it's so.

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Speaker 19: Driven, yet's so creative. And I think, you know, my

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Speaker 19: wife Sarah summed it up. She's saying to me yesterday.

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Speaker 19: You know, he was always a student. He never never

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Speaker 19: stopped learning. And I look at him around the board

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Speaker 19: table at Michael Hill. He was always the most open minded,

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Speaker 19: the one that was the most curious around new ideas.

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Speaker 19: He never had that mindset of I've done it all,

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Speaker 19: I've kind of I know all the answers. He's always

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Speaker 19: looking for new ideas. Truly truly inspiring human.

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Speaker 3: Does his absence change the way that the company will run,

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Speaker 3: all the direction that the company will take.

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Speaker 19: No, not at all. In fact, kind of quite the opposite.

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Speaker 19: In many ways, he touched so many of the three

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Speaker 19: thousand odd people we have at Michael Hill truly feel

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Speaker 19: like that part of his extended family. And I think

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Speaker 19: the motivation to do justice to his legacy and what

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Speaker 19: he stood for in his vision for jewelry. I mean,

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Speaker 19: when Michael started, I remember my parents. You know, jewelry

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Speaker 19: was something that mum had a pair of ear rings

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Speaker 19: and maybe a necklace and a wedding ring and an

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Speaker 19: engagement ring, and you know that that was kind of it.

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Speaker 19: And he brought jewelry and made it accessible to everyday

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Speaker 19: people and you know, he changed, he changed what jewelry

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Speaker 19: meant for so many people in New Zealand and then

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Speaker 19: Australia and then Canada. And he had a vision that

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Speaker 19: no one had back in those days. It's remarkable what

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Speaker 19: he's achieved. And that's you know, what he's achieved with

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Speaker 19: the violin competition, what he achieved with his golf course.

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Speaker 19: I mean, whatever he turned his mind to, he bought

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Speaker 19: a vision, a creativity, a sense of aesthetic and design.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 19: And he touched so many people in his books. You know,

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Speaker 19: I'm getting messages from people I don't know saying that

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Speaker 19: you know, they read Michael's book and that inspired there

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Speaker 19: direction in life and so on. It's a phenomenal, phenomenal meme.

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Speaker 3: Rob, thank you for having a chat to us. Go

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Speaker 3: while getting home for the funeral. That's Rob Fife, Michael

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Speaker 3: Hill's chair. We'll have a chat to the union very

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Speaker 3: shortly about the director's fees going up. Wild Rugby has

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Speaker 3: just come up. You will have caught up by now

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Speaker 3: that one of the most controversial things that happened in

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Speaker 3: sport over the weekend was obviously the clear out of

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Speaker 3: the ruck with the Australia game in the British and

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Speaker 3: Irish Lions game right Wild and Joe Schmitt, who's obviously

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Speaker 3: the coach of Australia, has been just nutting off about it.

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Speaker 3: He's very, very unhappy about the situation. Wild Rugby has

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Speaker 3: come out they back the reef in this call. They

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Speaker 3: are going to have an investigation into, like they do,

872
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,360
Speaker 3: a review of why the ref made the call that

873
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: they made. And actually, frankly, I'm fascinated by this because

874
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 3: this feels like this feels to me like a common

875
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: sense call, because you would have expected that the reef

876
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: in this case would have send clear head knock and

877
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 3: be like you're in trouble even if you didn't mean it.

878
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: But actually this time they didn't do that. So I

879
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,360
Speaker 3: want to understand why the refs. I this is a

880
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 3: decision I would celebrate anyway. They're going to do the review.

881
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 3: They're going to communicate that to the coaches, but they're

882
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: not going to tell us, which I think is a

883
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: real pretty But anyway, it is what it is. Also,

884
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 3: Joe might have gotten trouble for mouthing off the way

885
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: he did, but he is not going to get any

886
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: disciplinary charges. Apparently unlikely. They're saying quarter past five. Do

887
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 3: you know what I've been noticing a lot of lately.

888
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 3: It's the BYD shark six. I see these things. This

889
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: is the ute, by the way. I see them everywhere.

890
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: I saw a white one heading up the road near work.

891
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,840
Speaker 3: The other day I saw a gray one parked outside

892
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 3: the pharmacy. There was another one parked underneath underneath the

893
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 3: work in the basement car park. They look cool a

894
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 3: If you haven't seen one, you need to hunt one

895
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: out and have a look at it. They look really

896
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 3: cool and if you want one, you've got two more

897
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 3: days to get them before that five thousand dollars your

898
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 3: way off of ends. And you've heard me talking about this.

899
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 3: You get five thousand bucks if you buy one before

900
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: the end of July. Can spend it however you want.

901
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: You can soup the thing up with cool accessories, you

902
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: can put it towards the on road cost, you put

903
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 3: it towards the retail whatever. You can use it however

904
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: you want in relation to the vehicle. But it ends

905
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 3: thirty one. And the reason the reason I am seeing

906
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 3: so many of these vehicles is because so many people

907
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: have taken BYD up on the sofa and also because

908
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: it was the third best selling ut in the country

909
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 3: last month. Also, here's a bit of extra info. You

910
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 3: can lease one with a BYD Green lease from as

911
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,439
Speaker 3: little as one hundred and seventy nine dollars a week

912
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 3: based on a five year term with up to fifteen

913
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 3: thousand k's a year. But again, you've only got two

914
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: days for that office. So go to your local BYD

915
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 3: dealer to check out the Sharks six.

916
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: Ut Keller do for ce Allen.

917
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 3: Hither the Aussie wallerby actually threw a late Hollywood. He

918
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 3: threw his arms in the air, just a little bit

919
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 3: too late year. I'd agree with that a little bit, Murray, actually,

920
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 3: just I'd a little bit agree with that. Nineteen past five.

921
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 3: Now the government is coppying a bit of heat a

922
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 3: for hiking the pay of the Public Service Board. Member's

923
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: cabinet agreed on Monday they would do it. They were

924
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 3: going to increase the maximum fee by eighty percent, so

925
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: the heads of the board can now receive a maximum

926
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 3: of one hundred and sixty two thousand dollars a year,

927
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 3: up from the ninety k they previously got. Now, Flit

928
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 3: Fliffit Simons is the National Secretary for the Public Service

929
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 3: Associate and with us, Hey, flur hello, you don't like this.

930
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 20: Look the hypocrisy in this is palpable. This is the

931
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Speaker 20: same government that increased the minimum wage by a mere

932
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 20: fifty thirty five cents. It is the same government that

933
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 20: canceled pay equity claims, including for low income women like

934
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 20: care and support workers, many of whom are now back

935
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 20: on the minimum wage. They also banned those same women

936
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 20: from raising pay equity claims tomorrow. We've got thousands of

937
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 20: nurses going on strike because they're worried about safe staffing levels.

938
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 20: It's astonishing from a government that was elected on addressing

939
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 20: the cost of living crisis, and it seems for low

940
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 20: income workers and middle income workers, this government is nowhere

941
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:43,800
Speaker 20: to be seen.

942
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: I get your points, and I think some of them

943
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 3: are fair, Flurt. But in terms of in terms of

944
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 3: actually getting excellence, you've got to pay for excellence if

945
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: you want it on a board, right, So do you

946
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 3: do you object to this idea in and of itself?

947
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 4: No?

948
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 20: Look, and I think it's very telling that you've got

949
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,439
Speaker 20: Judith Collins coming out and look, we've got to pay

950
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 20: a decent amount to attract people into these roles. While

951
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 20: the same applies to our health system. We've got workforce

952
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 20: shortages all over the health system. Our members are telling

953
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 20: us that rosters are unfilled. There's an effect of hiring freeze.

954
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 20: It's a big argument within a hospital to get roles replaced.

955
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 20: So the government should take its own advice and apply

956
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 20: it to when New Zealanders want it to be applied,

957
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 20: which is in our health system which is crying out

958
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 20: for more staff.

959
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 3: Flur thank you for your time. Flur Simon's PSA National

960
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:36,439
Speaker 3: secretary almost forgot I need the might listen to that.

961
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: That's a piece of paper with the story of the

962
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 3: day written on it. Wait for this five.

963
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: One informed inside into today's issues. It's Heather duplicy Eland

964
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand let's get connected news dogs.

965
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 4: There'd be.

966
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: Twenty four past five. You know what surprises me is

967
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,800
Speaker 3: how every time we talk about stupid health and safety

968
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: things on this show, like sk folding when a ladder

969
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 3: would do in too many rogue cones and stuff, there

970
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 3: are people who actually pipe up to defend that. But

971
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 3: surely there is no one who is going to defend

972
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: the rules that we now find out exist about kids

973
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 3: helping out their parents on a farm. It turns out,

974
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 3: if the ministers be to be believed on this, kids

975
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 3: fourteen and under on farms are not allowed to collect

976
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 3: eggs or feed small animals or water plants if the

977
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 3: farm sells those goods because the Health and Safety at

978
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 3: work Open Brackets General Risk and Manage Workplace Management Closed

979
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 3: Brackets Regulations twenty sixteen bans it. Now, isn't this the

980
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 3: best example that you have come across yet of how

981
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 3: stupid health and safety rules are. So I can ask

982
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 3: my kids under fourteen to go out and water the

983
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 3: plants because it's a residential home. My brother can ask

984
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 3: his kids under fourteen to go out and water the

985
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: plants because even though he lives on a farm, he

986
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 3: doesn't sell anything from the farm. But his neighbour cannot

987
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 3: go out and ask his kids under fourteen to water

988
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 3: the plants because he does sell stuff from his farm.

989
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 3: My brother's kids can go and collect the eggs because

990
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: they don't sell the eggs. They just give them away

991
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 3: to family, But the neighbors kids can't collect the eggs

992
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 3: because they do sell the eggs. That's stupid, isn't it.

993
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 3: Kids on farms can't help their parents with chores like

994
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 3: feeding animals, but my kids can help me with chores

995
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 3: like unpacking the dishwasher. What's the difference. I mean, sure,

996
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:19,839
Speaker 3: it's noble to want to keep kids safe, and I

997
00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: do too, But actually, where are kids safest if not

998
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: kicking around and learning from good parents. These rules are

999
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 3: the opposite of what humans have been doing for eons.

1000
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,879
Speaker 3: For eons, parents have been teaching kids life lessons, how

1001
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: to do basic life stuff by showing them how. From

1002
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 3: a young age and for eons kids have learned to

1003
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: help their parents around the house or the farm or

1004
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 3: whatever because it's good for them. Not only are these

1005
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: rules not common sense, they are actually the opposite of

1006
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 3: good parenting.

1007
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: That sounds like a stupid rule, Heather duple Cy Ellen

1008
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: absolutely does.

1009
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: I would have given about five of those ones for that.

1010
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: Oh here the looking at your prescription issue on a

1011
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 3: glass half full basis, at least you now have hemorrhoid

1012
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 3: cream for just in case. Do you know what I

1013
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 3: gave good from you Greek to think like this, because

1014
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 3: waste not what not? So when I got the if

1015
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 3: you haven't caught up on this, it was miss It

1016
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 3: was misprescribed to the baby for Xma. I gave I

1017
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: know a very vain woman. She's a beautiful woman, but

1018
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 3: she's vain. So I said to her, Hey, here's some

1019
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 3: hemorrhoid cream. Somebody told me that you can use it

1020
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,440
Speaker 3: for the bags under your eyes if you cry. And

1021
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: you would like if you've been crying, you had a

1022
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 3: hard night, so whatever, and you want to look okay

1023
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: the next day. She just put a little bit. Don't

1024
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 3: do too much. That's what I got told I'm not

1025
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 3: a doctor, don't follow this advice. And she took it.

1026
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: So there you go. It's not being wasted. Here's the

1027
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 3: story of the day is This was in the telegraph.

1028
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: I'm not making this up. This is I'm going to

1029
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 3: give you word for word. A toddler in India bit

1030
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 3: of venomous cobra so hard that he killed it. Two

1031
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: year old Gavinda Kumar was playing in his home in Bankatwa,

1032
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: a village in the eastern Indian state of Biha, when

1033
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:00,799
Speaker 3: he spotted the three foot long snake and grabbed it.

1034
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 3: The cobra lunged at the child and coiled itself around

1035
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 3: his tiny hands during the incident on Friday, but instead

1036
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,320
Speaker 3: of screaming, Govinda put the snake's head in his mouth

1037
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 3: and clinched his jaw. He quickly lost consciousness after ingesting

1038
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 3: some of the deadly venom, but was treated in hospital

1039
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 3: and has since been discharged. But the snake died on

1040
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: the spot. How good is that? That's what you need.

1041
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: That's right, that's what that is. That's what being a

1042
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 3: parent of a toddler's like. He killed a snake with

1043
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: his jaws measure what it's like when they bite you.

1044
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: News this next.

1045
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: On the iHeart app and in your car on your

1046
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:47,359
Speaker 1: drive home, it's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New

1047
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,280
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected.

1048
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 4: Youth talk said, been.

1049
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 3: Okay, following this thing with the banks. This I've been

1050
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 3: following this thing with the banksaus. I'm fascinated by where

1051
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: the Government's going to go with this. This is the

1052
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 3: case of the government changing the law to stop Kiwi's

1053
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 3: taking class action against two of the Vigazzi banks. It

1054
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: seems like what may have spooked the government with some

1055
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: advice on how big the bill was going to be,

1056
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: which seems like la la land stuff. Anyway, We're going

1057
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: to talk to one of the lawyers, Rachel read Casey

1058
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: with us after six and the huddle standing by as

1059
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 3: well to have a chat to us. Now at the moment,

1060
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 3: it's twenty four away from six. Ordrong Automatic has been

1061
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 3: ordered to pay a foster family one hundred and eight

1062
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 3: thousand dollars. Now, this is the case of Molwana where

1063
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 3: OT tried to remove the girl because she's Mardi and

1064
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: the foster parents are Pakiha. The money the order of

1065
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 3: the costs covers the legal bills that the foster family

1066
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 3: racked up trying to keep the girl in their care.

1067
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 3: The judge who ordered this called Auto Automatiki's behavior egregious.

1068
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 3: Karen Chaw as the Minister for Children.

1069
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,600
Speaker 6: Hey, Karen, Hi, how's it going.

1070
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: I'm very well thy. This is a disgrace. A This

1071
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 3: case is a disgrace from start to finish, isn't it?

1072
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,399
Speaker 6: Yes, I absolutely agree, and this case really highlights why

1073
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 6: I thought so hard to repeal section seven AA of

1074
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 6: the Auto Automitici Act, because this just shows what that

1075
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 6: meant in practice. It's absolutely devastating for everybody involved. And

1076
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 6: I've made it very clear to autong Atomitici that this

1077
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 6: is unacceptable and it is not to happen again.

1078
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: Do you think that people who gave you a hard

1079
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 3: time in Parliament about wanting to repeal that seven AA

1080
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 3: the treaty principle have no idea what happened to Mwana

1081
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 3: and her family because of it?

1082
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 6: Yes, I do. And so this makes it very clear

1083
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 6: to everybody what it meant in practice, and that one

1084
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 6: hundred and eight thousand dollars is the cost of the

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Speaker 6: idealistic approach of the previous government where this by Maori

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Speaker 6: for Maori approach and Farno first at all costs actually

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Speaker 6: means in practice, it doesn't mean the safety and the

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Speaker 6: wellbeing of the young person, and it doesn't mean prioritizing

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Speaker 6: making sure that that young person is loved and cared for.

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Speaker 6: It meant prioritizing kinship over every other consideration and that's

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Speaker 6: just unacceptable. Safety and well being should come first. And

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Speaker 6: this is just another case that highlights that.

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Speaker 3: Karen is anybody in ot going to lose their job

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Speaker 3: over this.

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Speaker 6: Look, the operational side I can't have control over, but

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Speaker 6: what I do have control over is changing the culture

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00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 6: with an auto automotic and an organization is only as

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Speaker 6: strong as their leadership, and leadership needs to set that

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Speaker 6: direction that we're no longer taking that approach it cannot happen,

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Speaker 6: and that the safety and the wellbeing of young people

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Speaker 6: is first and foremost.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Also treat our caregivers with respect.

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Speaker 6: That's the other issue. Our keygivers are so important and

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Speaker 6: they need to be valued. Autotomidickey would not function without

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Speaker 6: these wonderful people that put their hands up every day

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Speaker 6: to give our young people a safe environment. Because why

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Speaker 6: I've set there as a KPI for our chief executives.

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Speaker 3: Could not agree with you more. Who is the CEEDOT now?

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Speaker 6: So we have we have an acting chief Executive currently

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Speaker 6: whilst we're looking for the chief.

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Speaker 3: Have you talked to this person about whether they think

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Speaker 3: that this was the right use of time and resources

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00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 3: or is that something that you're going to deal with

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Speaker 3: once you've got the new one in.

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Speaker 6: So the new Chief Executive will have the direction of

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00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 6: safety well being first, and I have had many conversations

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Speaker 6: with the acting Chief Executive around the direction of audo Automatik.

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00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 6: We're on the same page and we're making sure that

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Speaker 6: that message is loud and clear.

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Speaker 3: All right, Karen, Thanks very much. Karen s your Minister

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Speaker 3: for Children. Twenty one away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty Unique Homes

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Speaker 1: uniquely for you.

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Speaker 3: Com the huddle with me this evening. We have Jordan

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Speaker 3: Williams of the Taxpayers Union and Renny CTU economist High Lads,

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Speaker 3: High Team.

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Speaker 21: Jordan.

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Speaker 3: Did you know Sir Michael Hill.

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Speaker 22: No, I didn't. I'd briefly met him at the Hills

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Speaker 22: Golf Club, but that was the extent of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, inspiration the way.

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Speaker 22: Oh amazing, absolutely amazing.

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Speaker 3: Do you do the same thing he does? Visualize your goals?

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Speaker 22: I did have a I have a Yeah, I have goals.

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Speaker 22: I don't know about that. Sit down and visualize them everywhere.

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Speaker 3: How often do you like, how far out have you

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00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 3: written your goals? H?

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Speaker 4: Well, it changes you.

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Speaker 22: See when you have kids, they get totally they get

1140
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Speaker 22: totally rewritten and you operate. I operated on about a

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Speaker 22: five year rise.

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Speaker 3: On you know, he was doing thirty years. That's impressive

1143
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 3: eight years.

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00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 22: I turned forty next year and listening I heard the

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00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 22: Rob five interview when I was driving up here, and

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00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 22: it is quite an effort to reinvent yourself at forty totally.

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Speaker 3: I mean, isn't that that is one of the more

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Speaker 3: remarkable things about him, isn't it, Craig, that at forty

1149
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 3: years old he decides, right, I'm finished with being a manager.

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00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 3: I'm going to sit up my own business. And then

1151
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:02,399
Speaker 3: look where he ended up.

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Speaker 21: Well, I think it's clearly a testament to his iron

1153
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 21: will and as you say his you know, his desire

1154
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 21: to change his life. If he was forecasting his life

1155
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Speaker 21: thirty years from now, there are plenty of economists who

1156
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 21: have terrible track records that guessing what happens next week

1157
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 21: and I know what happens thirty years from now. I

1158
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,400
Speaker 21: guess for me a bit like Jordan, I have a

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00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 21: six year old at home, so just getting through the

1160
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 21: next day is pretty much, you know, my goal right now.

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00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 21: But in terms of some Michael, you know, he clearly

1162
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 21: has an envyable track record and he's someone you know

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00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 21: who will in the business community will certainly be missed.

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Speaker 22: He kind of Oh, sorry, Jordan's I want to know

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00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 22: what Craig's five year GOLs?

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00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 3: What's your five year gold? Craig? Is it to be

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Speaker 3: for the labor.

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Speaker 21: Part to say, ah, my my five year goal fant

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00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 21: is to still still be working and to have not

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Speaker 21: disgraced yourself in the meantime?

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Speaker 3: Minister, what's your five year gold? Jordan Humble National Party

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Speaker 3: MP for Tarmaki.

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Speaker 4: It's taken.

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Speaker 8: Have you been talking to the other half?

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Speaker 3: My other half?

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Speaker 22: No, my other half. That's what I can only stand

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Speaker 22: in if I if I do.

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Speaker 3: I've heard I've heard whispers there were we're traced it

1179
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Speaker 3: back to the source. Have we lost the plot? Craig?

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Speaker 3: If we think that kids who are on working farms,

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Speaker 3: can't collect the eggs.

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Speaker 21: It depends upon what you mean by a working farm.

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Speaker 21: There's all that, there's so many variables here that you know,

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Speaker 21: sort of really simple statements and really kind of naive

1185
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Speaker 21: views of what it means to work on the farm.

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Speaker 21: You know, it really isn't helpful where New Zealand is

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00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,439
Speaker 21: a country that has giant health and safety problems, where

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Speaker 21: it were a country that kills seventeen workers a week

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Speaker 21: as a consequence of their work. We have no minimum

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Speaker 21: age of work in New Zealand And, like most of

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Speaker 21: the other countries around the world. So at first blush

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Speaker 21: it may look like we've lost the plot. But actually

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Speaker 21: there are probably good reasons why we have these regulations.

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Speaker 3: Could they possibly be okay? So let's say, let's say

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Speaker 3: we'll go natso on this. It's a gigantic poultry farm

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Speaker 3: full of of like gigantic chicken sheds, and and Johnny

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Speaker 3: is ten years old and Dad's has come with me. Johnny,

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Speaker 3: let's go and Callick digs, Right, Johnny is not allowed

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Speaker 3: to do that? Why not?

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Speaker 21: He's with us dead machinery and chemicals, animals, biosecurity.

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Speaker 3: Toaster and I've got chemicals under the laundry sink. They're

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Speaker 3: called like, I just feel like and.

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Speaker 21: You're not actively encouraging your child to engage with them,

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Speaker 21: I imagine.

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Speaker 11: No.

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Speaker 3: But if the parents there, shouldn't they be okay?

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00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 21: No, because the parent, the parent, the parent may get

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Speaker 21: there's a reason why we do this, and it may

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00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 21: well be a first blush that you think will this

1210
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 21: is a really crazy reason why. But we we have,

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Speaker 21: we have, we have, we have a terrible house and

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00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 21: safety record in this country, and we actually need to

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Speaker 21: get better at it. Polking small halls and things. Fine,

1214
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 21: but it's not actually going to shift the needle of this.

1215
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,560
Speaker 22: I don't Did you grab on a farm, Craig.

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00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 4: No, God, no, hotel, hall Field, the the.

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Speaker 22: I mean, the sad reality is kids on on quad

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Speaker 22: bikes on farms. There are a lot of tragic accidents.

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00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 22: I'm not convinced collecting eggs from the from the chicken

1220
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 22: coop is causing kids to fall over with a compiler vector.

1221
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I tend to agree with you. What do we

1222
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: have any rules children around kids on quad bikes?

1223
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 22: I don't know, but they're probably why they ignored and

1224
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 22: that's probably okay. Yea, that is part of And this

1225
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 22: is what the point farmers often make is it's not

1226
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 22: just the job, it's actually a lifestyle. And I saw

1227
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 22: this around firearms that you get townies that think it

1228
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 22: is absolutely crazy you have kids with firearms, But that

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Speaker 22: is part of peace controllers.

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00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,320
Speaker 3: When did you learn to shoot?

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00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 22: I would have been, would have been certainly before I

1232
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Speaker 22: was a teenager.

1233
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 3: I learned. Did you want to hear my story? Do

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00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: you want to hear my story? Craig, it's a good yarn.

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Speaker 23: No, no, it's not.

1236
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, it's not. I learned to shoot when

1237
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Speaker 3: I was I Reckon, twelve years old. My dad taught

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00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 3: me to shoot rabbits. And the farm that I learned

1239
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 3: to shoot on was the farm of Jenny Clark, mother

1240
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 3: of Kenyan Clark of Duval fame, because my dad and

1241
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: Jenny were partners. Is that a good Yan or what?

1242
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: He's basically my stepbrother? Okay, it's amazing. Has it got

1243
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 3: that awkward? Has it got that awkward that we're not

1244
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 3: saying anything? Well, go to it.

1245
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 22: We're all picturing Heather. It was allum with a firearm

1246
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 22: and slightly concerned. We're all your producers.

1247
00:58:58,680 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 21: Not.

1248
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 3: They're all absorbing this, aren't we. We thought I was

1249
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 3: the black sheep of the family, but actually not at all.

1250
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: Let's take a break quarters of.

1251
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: Six the Huddle with New Zealand Southeast International Realty, the

1252
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,040
Speaker 1: ones for unmasked results.

1253
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:14,919
Speaker 3: Right, you're back with the huddle, Craig Rennie and Jordan Williams. Jordan,

1254
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 3: why don't you just admit why you didn't react at

1255
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:18,080
Speaker 3: all to what I told you?

1256
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 22: Because immediately I thought you were talking about.

1257
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 3: Some you didn't know.

1258
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,080
Speaker 22: I know that, of course anywhow they were now because

1259
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 22: I've been following it in the business media. But I

1260
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 22: actually thought it was someone. I actually thought it was

1261
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 22: someone cool and like popular culture, and I think Craig

1262
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 22: and I was sitting there thinking we feel we should know, yes,

1263
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 22: whereas I mean washed that property developers that.

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00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 3: Washed up as a kind as a kind describing word.

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Speaker 3: Right now, Hey, Craig, what do you reckon we do

1266
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 3: about I've come this is apropos that the kid being

1267
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 3: given the wrong you know, the phosphate at the adult level.

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00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 3: I've come to the conclusion that what you need to

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00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 3: do is except that the pharmacists and the doctors and

1270
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 3: everybody's going to make mistakes from time to time because

1271
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 3: they're humans, and you just need to check it yourself.

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01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 3: What do you think.

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01:00:03,120 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 21: I think it's a really difficult. I'm an economist rather

1274
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 21: than a pharmacist by trade, and the advice that I've

1275
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 21: received when I've spoken to doctors and medical professionals and

1276
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 21: workers in this area is that your prescriptions vary wildly.

1277
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 21: So you know, the prescriptions for some infant medications take

1278
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 21: up to two hours to prescribe because you have to

1279
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 21: know the weight of the child, you have to know

1280
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 21: the dosage, you have to know a range of other factors.

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01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 21: I think in those sorts of situations, it's absolutely fair

1282
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 21: to have more than one pharmacist check whether or not

1283
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 21: that's you know, it's it's being delivered, and we should

1284
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,520
Speaker 21: be able to trust, you know, when a pharmacist hands us,

1285
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 21: you know, drugs with some clear instructions on that this

1286
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,320
Speaker 21: is what you're supposed to do, and you know and

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01:00:49,360 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 21: you take them in that fashion. This is clearly an

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01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 21: individual tragedy. There's going to be a lot of you know,

1289
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 21: investigations and hopefully, you know, we'll learn something out of

1290
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 21: this terrible tragedy. But we've you know, it seems to

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01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 21: be a case in which if we'd had more chemists

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01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 21: or more pharmacists, and we have a real shortage of

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01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 21: pharmacists and New Zealand in comparison to the rest of

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01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 21: the world. You know, this is something that might have

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01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 21: been able to have been avoided.

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01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:20,320
Speaker 3: What do you think, Jordan, your partners a specialized child nurse.

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Speaker 22: Isn't she Yeah, her opinion on that piece was a

1298
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 22: little bit different. Is that there's a degree of blame

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01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 22: perhaps with the Pickoo as well, for not properly showing

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Speaker 22: the parents the right dose, because, as she was describing

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Speaker 22: this particular medicine, it looks like a baraka. It looks

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Speaker 22: at the parents and being told, you know you or

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Speaker 22: just put the whole thing in the bottle, rather than

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Speaker 22: dissolving it and then figuring out precisely how much and all.

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Speaker 3: That so you don't give all of it at once

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Speaker 3: to the baby. You take some.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, I don't know, but it is. It is absolutely tragic.

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Speaker 22: I think that you know, this is just a place

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Speaker 22: of called medical misadventure, medical mistake. It's just so trade

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Speaker 22: trick reading that story that it's you, it's your precious child, don't.

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Speaker 19: You do this?

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Speaker 3: You do this children? You get a bottle of Pammel, right,

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Speaker 3: and it says give give baby mackay five mills of panel.

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Speaker 3: And then this is what the doctors decided based on

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Speaker 3: a wait and stuff. I know, wait eight point six kges.

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Speaker 3: I look on the side. I go, oh, yep, no,

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Speaker 3: he's got that right. It matches up with what it

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Speaker 3: says on the side of the bottle. Do you not

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Speaker 3: do that?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 22: And of course I'm giving very clear instructions from the

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Speaker 22: other half on on all of this stuff. And yeah,

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Speaker 22: I mean you mentioned earlier check GBT. I've been finding

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Speaker 22: a lot more on anything medical. You're running it through

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Speaker 22: check GBT and asking for advice. And I think that

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Speaker 22: that something like this will certainly be There'll be parents

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Speaker 22: out there like like me who looked at that and thought,

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Speaker 22: I knever want to be in that situation. Just take

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Speaker 22: his heartbreaking.

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Speaker 3: It totally is guys, Thank you so much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Craig REHENNYE Jordan Williams are huddle this evening. It's eight

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Speaker 3: away from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Dupless Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by news talk ZB.

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Speaker 3: I'm with you farm raised in peasant of pheasant shooting

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01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: at nine deers talking at fourteen. The gun haters often

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01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,680
Speaker 3: have never lifted a gun, but typically want to tell

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Speaker 3: the rest of us how to live. Cheers. Oh that's

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Speaker 3: Craig Jepson, the mayor. Thanks Craig, Heather. Interesting call during

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Speaker 3: Kerry's program earlier today, a farm fencing contractor called to

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Speaker 3: tell a story. He said that he was at a

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Speaker 3: farm and he told the farmer, who was the father

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Speaker 3: of a couple of kids approximately six to eight years old,

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Speaker 3: driving around on a farm quad bike, and he told

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Speaker 3: them off. The farmer didn't like it, didn't engage him anymore.

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Speaker 3: Some year or two later, the same kid sadly had

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Speaker 3: a major spill and both died. Now, look, I want

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Speaker 3: to say that I think that this is slightly different.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, are there actually rules around quad bikes

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Speaker 3: and kids riding quad bikes, because I don't think at

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01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 3: all that riding a quad bike is the same as

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Speaker 3: going to get going to get eggs out of the

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Speaker 3: chicken coop or watering the plants. Do you like I

1355
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,360
Speaker 3: think all of us look at I mean, do you

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Speaker 3: do this? I do this. I look at a farmer

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Speaker 3: on a quad bike and I know some who don't

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Speaker 3: have roll bars and stuff like that. I think you're

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01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 3: an idiot, Like how many times do we need and

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Speaker 3: especially when they've got slope land and then they're sitting

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Speaker 3: on the thing, I'm like, you just are a fool.

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01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 3: You're just an absolute idiot. And we've talked about it enough.

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Speaker 3: It's not the same as sending the kids out with

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01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 3: the hose to water the gardens. Like I water the gardens.

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Speaker 3: You water the gardens. We watering the gardens since we're

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Speaker 3: five years old, and my children can water the gardens

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Speaker 3: of my house, right. It's not that it's the same

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Speaker 3: on a farm anyway. I think the quad bike thing

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Speaker 3: is slightly different. But I don't know if we have

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Speaker 3: rules around it bath that's all. I don't like a ban.

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Speaker 3: I don't like a ban, and I don't like a rule.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like I'm getting very close to being

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Speaker 3: okay with saying quad bikes are not allowed unless they've

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Speaker 3: got those little roll barthings on them. Now listen on

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01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 3: another subject altogether. There was headline and Stuff today and

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Speaker 3: the headline was why does New Zealand love Edge Sheeran

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 4: And the reason they.

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Speaker 3: Asked that question was because he's put on another christ

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Speaker 3: Church show. So he's got five shows on his New

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01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 3: Zealand tour now, two in Auckland, two in christ Church,

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Speaker 3: are one in Wellington. And I liked that headline very

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Speaker 3: much because I thought, why does New Zealand love Ed

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Speaker 3: Sheeran so much? What's up with that? I've told you

1385
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 3: I belonged to the concert club. But three middle aged

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01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 3: women looking for a razzi night out, you know, like woo,

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01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 3: three beers, We're going wild. We go to everything. We've

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Speaker 3: gone to Dave Dobbyin. We've gone to the checks that

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Speaker 3: was shite. We've gone to We've gone to that stupid

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01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 3: rapper who was at Eden Park. Oh that was rubbish

1391
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:27,640
Speaker 3: as well. We go to rock. We go to like

1392
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 3: intense rock with Doodle. We go strings with Doodle when

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Speaker 3: none of us said let's go to Ed Sheeron because

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01:05:33,880 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 3: we were all like, oh, that's the lame who wants

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01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 3: to go to d Shearon been there, done that, that

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Speaker 3: was five minutes ago. I feel like Ed Sheeran did

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Speaker 3: a gig five minutes ago and I was there and

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Speaker 3: I don't look I don't want to be a tall

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Speaker 3: popy on it because I don't have that much money

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01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 3: and I don't have all those singles, and no one

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01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 3: comes to see me standing by myself, which is ironic

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01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 3: because I've got a lot of money. You could afford

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01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 3: a ban, but you still want to sound up like

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01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 3: they're like, you're a bus g aren't you? Anyway? I

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01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 3: can't knock him. He's more successful than me. But come on, guys,

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01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 3: he's like Maroon five. Isn't he like a single member

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01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 3: of the Eagles. It's just can we not get excited

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Speaker 3: about somebody cooler than that? Anyway? Good question from stuff.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the answer. Let's deal with the banks. Next.

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Speaker 3: I'm in Love with the shape of You.

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Speaker 1: We're Business meets Insight Top Business Hour with Heather Duplicy,

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Speaker 1: Allen and.

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Speaker 4: Mays for Trust at Home Insurance Solutions. News Talk said be.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour. I had

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Speaker 3: that question about the cock quad bikes. Well fed farmers

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Speaker 3: might be able to answer it in a minute. Property

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Speaker 3: investors will talk us through that advice today for us

1418
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 3: to get out of investing in property in this country

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01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 3: and end it does the UK for us at seven

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Speaker 3: past six. So to the ongoing question of why it

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Speaker 3: is that the government is changing the law to stop

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Speaker 3: kiwe customers taking class action against two Wozzi banks. It's

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Speaker 3: being speculated that the reason the government's doing that is

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Speaker 3: because of the size of a potential payout. The government

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Speaker 3: was told it could be as much as twelve point

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Speaker 3: nine billion dollars, which seems extraordinary. Rachel read Casey is

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Speaker 3: one of the lawyers representing the class action plaintiffs, and

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Speaker 3: with us. Hey, Rachel, hello, how are you tonight?

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Speaker 2: Quick?

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Speaker 3: I'm well, thank you. Twelve point nine is too high?

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Speaker 24: Right, Oh, it's fantastical. It's not just too high. It

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01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 24: doesn't have any grasp of reality. And there are several

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Speaker 24: reasons for that. A and Z at this point claims,

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Speaker 24: in respect of its breaches that only seventeen thousand customers

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Speaker 24: were affected, and says a claim of three hundred million

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01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 24: against it is too high. But A and Z represents

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Speaker 24: some thirty percent of the market. Now, if they represent

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01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 24: thirty percent of the market and three hundred million is

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01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 24: too high for their breaches, how on earth would you

1440
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 24: ever get to twelve point nine billion? Sect or right,

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Speaker 24: It just doesn't make any sense on that first fundamental

1442
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 24: or level.

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Speaker 3: Where do you think it actually sits?

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Speaker 24: Then well, I couldn't tell you where it actually sits,

1445
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 24: because we need more information from the banks in relation

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01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 24: to exactly the number of customers affected and exactly the

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01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 24: interest in fees and paid that would need to be

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Speaker 24: recouped under the current legislative provisions. But there are all

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Speaker 24: sorts of other reasons that this model and this figure

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01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:32,320
Speaker 24: just simply doesn't work. It assumes that the planters win

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01:08:32,360 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 24: at every point in the litigation and also ignores the

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01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:41,440
Speaker 24: reality of settlement, and it talks about a sector wide liability.

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Speaker 24: But these are claims that could have been made any

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01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 24: time for breaches from twenty fifteen to twenty nineteen, and

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01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 24: there are statutory limitation periods and respect of these breaches

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Speaker 24: of either three or six years.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 24: If they had come to light throughout that time or

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01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 24: not long afterwards, there wouldn't be another claim that would

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01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 24: be in existence that could be pursued. Not only that

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01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 24: it's got to be financially viable to do so against

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Speaker 24: a smaller lender. And the fact is, none of these

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01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,719
Speaker 24: other cases have been taken. This is the only one

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01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 24: that's on foot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So did the Reserve Bank just fail to do

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Speaker 3: its calculations properly or did they deliberately and artificially inflate

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Speaker 3: this number.

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Speaker 24: I wouldn't accuse them of deliberately and artificially inflating them.

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Speaker 24: I wouldn't do that. What we don't have is any

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Speaker 24: transparency in relation to their modeling. We can see that

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Speaker 24: it doesn't make sense, but the relevant parts of the

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Speaker 24: modeling have been obscured through reductions and Official Information Act responses,

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01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 24: so we can't actually pick behind it. And the difficulty

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Speaker 24: here is that retrospective legislation is extraordinary in itself, and

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01:09:52,880 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 24: it's been used here in an extraordinary way to deliberately

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01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,799
Speaker 24: target litigation that's been on foot for four years. And

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01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 24: where you've got that extraordinary use of power in an

1478
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:12,200
Speaker 24: extraordinary way, it's underlying foundation must be unassailable, and it

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01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:15,840
Speaker 24: must be transparent so that someone can contradict it if

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01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 24: it deserves to be contradicted, and we don't have that

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01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,200
Speaker 24: at all here, So none of that has occurred.

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Speaker 3: How do you rate the chances that Brian Roach actually

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01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:25,680
Speaker 3: gives you what you want? What you want, which is

1484
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:26,679
Speaker 3: an investigation here?

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01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 24: Well, I would hope that he would undertake his functions

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01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 24: in a proper manner. And I consider that there is

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Speaker 24: a foundation for it, which was carefully set out in

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01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:40,040
Speaker 24: a letter to him with the concerns that we have.

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Speaker 24: So I would hope that he would take that seriously

1490
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 24: and do what is right in the circumstances here, because

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01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:49,080
Speaker 24: this is quite an extraordinary position that we found ourselves in.

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Speaker 3: It really does seem this way. Hey, Rachel, thank you

1493
01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,719
Speaker 3: very much appreciated. That's Rachel read Casey, the lawyer defending

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 3: at least some of the claimants in the triple CFA case.

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01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 3: Hither occasionally excuse me. I was landing a sheep when

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01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 3: I was four, Holy heck, as my dad's hands were

1497
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 3: too big. Would that be classed not safe under this

1498
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 3: crazy new idea? Absolutely, they would be classed as not safe.

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Speaker 3: If you can't even pick up a dead well, it's

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Speaker 3: not dead, is it. If you can't even pick up

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 3: an inanimate egg, how on earth do you think we're

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01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 3: going to let you stick your bits into lambs and stuff.

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01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,519
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know what. I don't actually know

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01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,200
Speaker 3: what their mechanics of that was, So I don't know.

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01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 3: I'm going places in my mind. But all I'm saying

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01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 3: is you definitely can't be around live moving things if

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01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 3: we can't trust you near watering the plants, do you

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01:11:30,640 --> 01:11:32,600
Speaker 3: know what I mean? Also, how good is it that

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01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 3: you were doing that at four? Like that's some epically

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Speaker 3: good behavior from you. Your parents were very good at parenting,

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Speaker 3: obviously didn't go for gentle parenting. Good good, good news

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Speaker 3: for Wellington. I'm thrilled for Wellington. Thrilled to be able

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Speaker 3: to tell you that the demolition of the derelict Gordon

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Speaker 3: Wilson Flats is scheduled for this summer. No faffing about

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Speaker 3: there like coming down twelve past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duper Sell and Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Heart Radio powered by news dog ZEPPI.

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Speaker 3: Hey, so this has made a bit of news today.

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Speaker 3: You will have seen this. Jeremy Williamson from Craig's Investment

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01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 3: Partners reckons our love affair with property investing is coming

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01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 3: to an end and we've got to stop doing. We've

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01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 3: got to get out of it. And actually that is

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01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,759
Speaker 3: becoming far less attractive. Not so according to the property

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01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 3: investors who will be with us in around about twenty

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Speaker 3: minutes right now, it's quarter past six.

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Speaker 1: The Rural Report with MSD Animal Health home of Rotovec

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Speaker 1: Corona ends it's leading calf scar as vaccine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So, as we've been discussing, the government is having

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Speaker 3: a look at those over zealous health and safety rules

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01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 3: on farms and one of the things that they're wandering

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Speaker 3: about is where the farm kids should be allowed to

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Speaker 3: collect eggs, feed animals, water plants and stuff like that

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Speaker 3: under health and safety rules. Now Jamie McKay has taken

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01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 3: a well earned break, so in his place we have

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Speaker 3: David Burke Att, Federated Farmer's Health and Safety spokesperson.

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Speaker 9: Hey David, yeah, you've a hair game.

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Speaker 3: I'm very well, thank you. Do you reckon kids should

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Speaker 3: be able to go collect the eggs, feed the small animals,

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Speaker 3: water the plants.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: Look, I think this is sort of blowing up as

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Speaker 10: to something which is that bigger than what it should

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Speaker 10: have been.

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Speaker 8: But you look at it.

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Speaker 10: It's the one that some farmers have asked questions around,

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Speaker 10: is where do we draw the line around where the

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01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 10: workplace starts and finishes, because, as you know, for family farms,

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Speaker 10: at workplaces, quite often the home end of workplace as

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 10: well and so there must have been some questions ask

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Speaker 10: around clarification of the lines where those chores become part

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01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,439
Speaker 10: of the workplace and what is chores as part of

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Speaker 10: home life. So some clarification there would be useful. But

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Speaker 10: you know, it's certainly not a big area that we've

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Speaker 10: had concerns around.

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Speaker 3: Farmers are culture. Farmers aren't particularly stressed about these rules

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Speaker 3: or obeying them by the sounds of things.

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Speaker 10: Well know, what we're saying there is is other areas.

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Speaker 10: If you look at the release by the banister, there's

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Speaker 10: some areas around codes of practice for roles and responsibilities

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Speaker 10: and machinery, and the are the areas we were seeing

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Speaker 10: the most harm and damage and deaths. So they are

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Speaker 10: the areas that we believe we should be targeting to

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Speaker 10: get the best return on time spent on these areas.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so is this more about farmers trying to figure

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Speaker 3: out if the kids can actually ride the machinery or

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Speaker 3: use the machinery. Is that what it's about?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, a little bit will be around that as to

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01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 10: you know, what are the ages that are appropriate? But

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Speaker 10: these ones seem to be around the chores that family

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01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 10: are doing. You know, as you say, like the collecting

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01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 10: of eggs and watering the plants, which really are farm

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01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,880
Speaker 10: type operations. You can do that on any lifestyle block

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01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:32,240
Speaker 10: or any local residential dwellings as well. So I think

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Speaker 10: it's it's just some clarification that obviously has come through

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Speaker 10: and the feedback from the review of the Health and

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Speaker 10: Safety Act.

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Speaker 3: How about instead of them clarification, David, why don't we

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Speaker 3: just scrap the dumb rules and write good ones.

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Speaker 10: Well, this is what the approved Code of Practice, which

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Speaker 10: is the second part of the Minister's recommendation, is going

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Speaker 10: to do. So it's going to be rules which is

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Speaker 10: written by work Safe, but we will be helping them

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Speaker 10: to make sure that they have a rural leans over

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Speaker 10: the and making sure that they are a practical.

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Speaker 3: So are we, David, So are we accepting that the

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Speaker 3: existing rules suck and we're going to get some better ones?

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Speaker 10: Well it looks like that way. These codes a practices

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01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 10: what we will be judged on. So if you're achieving

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01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,439
Speaker 10: the codes of Practice, what it says is that we

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01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 10: will be achieving the expectations of work Safe. So at

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Speaker 10: least we know exactly where the line is drawn on

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Speaker 10: the sand web.

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01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 2: Seas have been.

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Speaker 10: Produced and it makes it a clearer for farmers to

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01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 10: understand their responsibility under health and safety.

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Speaker 3: Now, can you tell me, are there any rules around

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01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 3: kiddies being on quad bikes?

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Speaker 10: Yes, there are rules around ages and there so the

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Speaker 10: quad bikes is one which is covered under farm vehicles

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Speaker 10: and that is where we have our worst accidents. You know,

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01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 10: we still continue to lose people who have both experienced

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01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,320
Speaker 10: and young people as well. So right across the spectrum,

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01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,160
Speaker 10: we've got some working groups which have been working for

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01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 10: quite some time now, but we haven't found that ability

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01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 10: to pull those numbers back down, so we would like

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Speaker 10: to see them. Okay, So that's scenario in which one

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Speaker 10: of these codes of practices will be focusing on around

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Speaker 10: farm machinery, good vehicles.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, cool, all right, David, best of luck with everything

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Speaker 3: David Burkett Federated Farmers nineteen past.

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Speaker 4: Six ever do for thee Ellen yet.

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Speaker 3: So we've been talking a fair bit on the show

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Speaker 3: today about Michael Hill Jeweler obviously legend in business here

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01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 3: in New Zealand are but also just an inspiration to

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01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:23,640
Speaker 3: the rest of us for what you can do if

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01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 3: you actually set your mind to it. Now a few

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01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 3: years ago we actually made a podcast with Sir Michael

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01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:29,600
Speaker 3: and his daughter Emma Hill where we talked about his

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01:16:29,640 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 3: life and his achievements. And you know, one of the

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01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 3: things that you pick up with Sir Michael, as with

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01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 3: many many successful people, is they don't always do that

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01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 3: well at school.

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Speaker 25: Late my mother made me too precious I as an

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01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 25: only child, and she dressed me. You know, my clothes

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01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,520
Speaker 25: are basically perfectly on. It was like a little road Fauntleroyd,

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Speaker 25: and I really didn't fit into the school seam at all.

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Speaker 25: So naturally I was bullied. But the bully got worse

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01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,240
Speaker 25: and worse and worse actually, and it also it took

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Speaker 25: away my total concentration in class because I was scared.

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01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:03,840
Speaker 25: I knew after the class is going to be bullied again.

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Speaker 3: He was. And this is the thing that surprised me

1632
01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 3: was he was already twenty three years into his working

1633
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,840
Speaker 3: life when he decided he wanted to do more than

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01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 3: just work in his uncle's jewelry shop.

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Speaker 25: And that night I took that visiting card and I

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01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 25: wrote down quickly, I'm going to own my uncle's business,

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01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,160
Speaker 25: and if he won't sell, I'm going to start my

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01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 25: own visits. So it's set for the first time, I

1639
01:17:22,120 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 25: set a goal, actually a goal that I genuinely, genuinely

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01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 25: wanted to achieve.

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01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 3: And you know, if you had to say, what's the

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01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 3: one thing you remember about him, isn't it? The ads?

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01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 26: Hello christ Church, Michael Hill Jeweler. It's the last week

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01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 26: of my great annual sale. This diamond eternity ring. Great

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01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 26: buying at three hundred and six dollars now just ninety nine.

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01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 26: Silver charmbracelet was sixty five dollars now twenty nine. Michael

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Speaker 26: Hill Jeweler.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you remembers coming up with the idea for the ads, But.

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Speaker 25: I've just bought a property here and I was driving

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01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 25: into town and I just had this idea that we

1651
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 25: could do a different advert for its sale that we.

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01:17:57,160 --> 01:18:02,160
Speaker 27: Were coming up, which was Hello, Michael Hill Jeweler, gold

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01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 27: gold silver silver chain chain sell sell gold gold silver

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01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 27: silver chain chain cell cell Michael Hill Jeweler.

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Speaker 25: That just went crazy.

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01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,400
Speaker 4: That advert just went blistic.

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01:18:17,479 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 25: In fact, it was so ballistic we had to pull

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01:18:20,160 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 25: the adverts off because it was just with jamming the

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01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 25: phones with people either complimenting or complaining about them.

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01:18:26,720 --> 01:18:29,080
Speaker 3: And if we could learn something from Sir Michael what

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01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 3: did he think that was going to be.

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Speaker 25: A lot of people expect too much too soon. Remember

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01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 25: I took twenty three years to learn what I was

1664
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 25: going to do. But work out what you want to

1665
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:43,760
Speaker 25: do very simply write it down and review it from

1666
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 25: time to time to make sure that you are on

1667
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 25: the right track. And you've got to keep going and

1668
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 25: keep going, never given. Always push for a bigger dream,

1669
01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 25: a bigger goal, and challenge yourself every day, and that

1670
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:58,040
Speaker 25: way you'll have the thrill of really enjoying the thrill

1671
01:18:58,120 --> 01:18:58,679
Speaker 25: of the chase.

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Speaker 3: Very good Advice six two.

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Speaker 4: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather duf c Ellen and MAS

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Speaker 1: for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talks NB.

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Speaker 3: Hey, if you're following what's going on with AI, this

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01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 3: is a reasonably big development. Well, I mean it's like

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01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 3: it's a it's a it's a smallish development on a

1679
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 3: big development. So Google has just amped up its AI

1680
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,280
Speaker 3: in the UK and they already do this in the US.

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01:19:24,360 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 3: They also do it in India, and they're now rolling this

1682
01:19:26,360 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 3: out in the UK where you can choose to use

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01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:30,800
Speaker 3: Google as you and I use Google. We don't have

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Speaker 3: this option. By the way, it's not being rolled out

1685
01:19:32,160 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, we've got the stock standard Google. But

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01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,280
Speaker 3: in US, India and now in the UK, they've got

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01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 3: an alternative version of Google that they can use, which

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01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,600
Speaker 3: is basically just AI. So you and I type in

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Speaker 3: I don't know. Let's say we want to find out

1690
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 3: about the Sydney Sweeney Genes controversy, right, which, by the way,

1691
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Speaker 3: I'll have to tell you about. Type that into Google.

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01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:53,840
Speaker 3: You get a whole bunch of lists, a whole bunch

1693
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:55,680
Speaker 3: of links, like, you know, the Herald's Blood, but then

1694
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,320
Speaker 3: you click on the Herald then you go read it

1695
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:00,479
Speaker 3: on the Herald AI's Google's giving you the option to

1696
01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 3: switch away from that and choose their AI version, where

1697
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 3: you type in tell me about the Sydney Sweeney Genes controversy,

1698
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 3: the same as you would do with Chat GBT, and

1699
01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 3: Google will give you instead of what we are used

1700
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 3: to all the links and stuff, will just give you

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01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 3: straight chat, just straight AI answer. Now, the reason that

1702
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 3: this is a big development is because there will be

1703
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:24,040
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of websites absolutely crapping themselves over this. Now,

1704
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,080
Speaker 3: because what happens is you type that and then you

1705
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:27,880
Speaker 3: click on the Herald. You're looking at the Herald. There

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01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:29,960
Speaker 3: is advertising for the Herald coming through because you're looking

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01:20:29,960 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 3: at the Herald. Now with the new version, you don't

1708
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 3: have to look at the Herald, do you. You just

1709
01:20:33,320 --> 01:20:36,320
Speaker 3: have to read the little conversation that Google AI has

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Speaker 3: given you. So keep an eye on this because out

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Speaker 3: in the US, out in India, out in the UK

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01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 3: now and coming soon to a brows and year you

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Speaker 3: undoubtedly twenty six past six.

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Speaker 28: Heather Doopers the l in some show, there's news.

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Speaker 3: That is the first trailer for the new Avatar movie

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Speaker 3: is released the small It's the third installment in James

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Speaker 3: Cameron's movie franchise about the alien planet of Pandora. The

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Speaker 3: third installment is called Avatar Fire and Ash. Now, if

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Speaker 3: you remember the first movie, it was about we met

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Speaker 3: a race of aliens who lived in the trees, and

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Speaker 3: in the second one we met a tribe of water aliens.

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Speaker 3: And now we're being introduced to a clan of evil

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Speaker 3: fire aliens who team up with the human bad guys.

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Speaker 3: Your goddess.

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Speaker 8: Has a long dominion.

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01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 11: Are.

1727
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:35,760
Speaker 3: Fantasiason at the moment, bigtime. Like the other two, the

1728
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,000
Speaker 3: new movie was made entirely down in Wellington with the

1729
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 3: help of Wetter Digital. Both movies combined have made five

1730
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 3: point two billion dollars at the global box office. First

1731
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,720
Speaker 3: film from two thousand and nine is still the most

1732
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:48,680
Speaker 3: successful movie of all time. Avatar, Fire and Ash will

1733
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:51,120
Speaker 3: come to theaters on the nineteenth of December, just in

1734
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,920
Speaker 3: time for Christmas, I know, and in time to save

1735
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 3: you from misery. That's where fantasy is doing well, because

1736
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 3: real life sucks for people at moment.

1737
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:06,840
Speaker 1: Next, if it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1738
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,040
Speaker 1: The Business Hour with him the Duple C Allen and

1739
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: Mas for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions news talks would be.

1740
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:18,639
Speaker 11: Don't you win the body?

1741
01:22:18,680 --> 01:22:20,560
Speaker 3: I can do this ally, He'll be there to do

1742
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 3: the morning Boss, Deep Dum. Take us a little bit

1743
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 3: of an update on the why ants come on?

1744
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 23: Everyone else seems sharing again. You were asking in the

1745
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 23: office before about his late Bollywood style song.

1746
01:22:35,280 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 3: I wasn't answering about it. I was told about it,

1747
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 3: which it was pulled it through up here. You know

1748
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:42,759
Speaker 3: what things we could disappear.

1749
01:22:43,200 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 23: I don't know what you think I'm going to end

1750
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:48,479
Speaker 23: the show with, So listen, can.

1751
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 3: We all just first of all, can we just hone

1752
01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,960
Speaker 3: down the head lord, thank you? And can we all

1753
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:54,320
Speaker 3: just admit what he's up to here?

1754
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:54,640
Speaker 1: Right?

1755
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 3: Because he put out he put and it's all like

1756
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:01,719
Speaker 3: filmed in Ndias, all very Bollywood and stuff, because he's

1757
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,200
Speaker 3: just realized there's a market of consumers right there that

1758
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 3: he hasn't catered to before. So he's done that, hasn't it.

1759
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 3: And I don't know if you noticed this about Ed,

1760
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,240
Speaker 3: but it is very clever as a money making machine.

1761
01:23:11,240 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 3: He just does all the stuff, all the different stuff,

1762
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,599
Speaker 3: so just hats all of the different little markets, gets

1763
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 3: all of their dollars in and then as a rich guys.

1764
01:23:18,320 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 3: I'm not blaming him for that. I just I'm blaming

1765
01:23:20,680 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 3: it and for playing it at my face. Right then,

1766
01:23:23,400 --> 01:23:26,360
Speaker 3: quick update for you, Graham Bloxham has pulled out of

1767
01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:28,880
Speaker 3: the Wellington mayoral rays. If you're like, who's that? He's

1768
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:30,600
Speaker 3: the one who dressed up like a banana do you

1769
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 3: remember that? And also got in trouble in Mount Vic

1770
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:36,960
Speaker 3: Tunnel or something for the terrorist tunnels. I don't know

1771
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 3: what happened there, but he ended up being arrested briefly anyway,

1772
01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:44,120
Speaker 3: so that's a loss. Also fantastic news for Netbull just

1773
01:23:44,200 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 3: out about seven minutes ago that Netbull has finally signed

1774
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 3: a broadcast deal with TV and Z, which is a

1775
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,680
Speaker 3: surprise because I was saying to you last week. I

1776
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 3: was saying, oh no, now that Sky's partnered up with

1777
01:23:56,400 --> 01:23:58,240
Speaker 3: bought TV three, that's the end of TV and ZED.

1778
01:23:58,320 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 3: No one needs them anymore, do they?

1779
01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 1: No?

1780
01:24:00,720 --> 01:24:03,600
Speaker 3: Not so Sophie Malone. And Sophie Maloney was like the

1781
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:06,600
Speaker 3: not quite did yet. That's be because she knew about that,

1782
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,560
Speaker 3: didn't she? Twenty three away from seven.

1783
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 4: Together, duplessy La.

1784
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 3: Jeremy Williamson from Craig's investment Partner says New Zealand's love

1785
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,600
Speaker 3: affair with property investing is coming to an end. He

1786
01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:18,200
Speaker 3: spoke to Matt and Tyler earlier today, and.

1787
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 29: I think of you know, when your kids playing past

1788
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 29: the parcel and trading and buying and selling investment properties

1789
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 29: to each other. Feels if it like that to me,

1790
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 29: where you know, you take a twenty dollar notes, you

1791
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,120
Speaker 29: pass it around the circle, It still comes back as

1792
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 29: a twenty dollar note, doesn't it. The love affair we

1793
01:24:34,120 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 29: have with investment property has the same sort of thing

1794
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 29: to it.

1795
01:24:38,479 --> 01:24:40,639
Speaker 3: Jeremy says it's good for the country if investors starts

1796
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:43,640
Speaker 3: switching to more productive assets than property. Matt Ball is

1797
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:48,439
Speaker 3: the advocacy manager at the Property Investors Federation and with US. Hey, Matt, however,

1798
01:24:48,680 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 3: do you reckon people are getting more savvy with the

1799
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:53,200
Speaker 3: shares and starting to switch their money away from property.

1800
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 7: I think there's a definitely more choice and people are

1801
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 7: more aware of the share option and key we say

1802
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 7: that's contributed to that. But I don't think the love

1803
01:25:01,439 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 7: affair with property is over. I think the property market

1804
01:25:04,640 --> 01:25:08,679
Speaker 7: is changing thanks to some initiatives from the government, and

1805
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:10,360
Speaker 7: I think people will start to take a bit of

1806
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:14,479
Speaker 7: a different approach. I don't buy this whole property investment

1807
01:25:14,560 --> 01:25:17,639
Speaker 7: is in the productive activity. I mean, if you buy

1808
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 7: in trade shares, you're passing twenty bucks around, it's still

1809
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,400
Speaker 7: twenty bucks in the enda. That's just you're not actually

1810
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 7: adding to productivity. Same if you do that with a house.

1811
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 7: But if you treat property investing like a business, you

1812
01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:31,120
Speaker 7: buy it for cash flow. You buy a property that

1813
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:33,680
Speaker 7: you can do up and add to. You've made a

1814
01:25:33,680 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 7: better property, You've improved the property sector in New Zealand,

1815
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 7: you've made our general housing quality and number go up.

1816
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:42,360
Speaker 7: That's a productive activity.

1817
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,240
Speaker 3: So how do you think it's going to change? How

1818
01:25:44,320 --> 01:25:46,080
Speaker 3: is the approach to property investing changing?

1819
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 7: I think this government and actually I don't think I know,

1820
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 7: because this government has said very explicitly. Chris Bissit has

1821
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,760
Speaker 7: said very explicitly he thinks housing is too expensive in

1822
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:01,839
Speaker 7: New Zealand, both owner occupied and rental, and his government

1823
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:04,240
Speaker 7: is determined to change that. And if you look at

1824
01:26:04,280 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 7: what they're doing, they've probably got at least a dozen

1825
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,880
Speaker 7: bits of legislation or regulations on the books that are

1826
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:13,040
Speaker 7: trying to change the housing money.

1827
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 3: But then why would I invest? Why would I invest

1828
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,439
Speaker 3: in property if I know that this government is actively

1829
01:26:17,439 --> 01:26:18,479
Speaker 3: trying to bring the price down.

1830
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,759
Speaker 7: Okay, so you're not going to make the easy capital gains.

1831
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:23,479
Speaker 7: So if you wake up one day and you go, oh,

1832
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:25,639
Speaker 7: I might put some money into a house that looks easy,

1833
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,519
Speaker 7: then forget it. That's not the sort of investor that's

1834
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 7: going to do well in this market. But our members

1835
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,640
Speaker 7: around the country right now are getting out there and

1836
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 7: are hunting down bargains. They are properties that they know

1837
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 7: they can add value to, and that's how you can

1838
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 7: make your money. No, not flipping think some people will. Yeah,

1839
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 7: you can do it up and rent it. You can

1840
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:51,240
Speaker 7: do it up, rent it and hold it for a period,

1841
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:53,680
Speaker 7: which is what most of our members do. You can

1842
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,000
Speaker 7: make a good business out of that.

1843
01:26:55,040 --> 01:26:58,280
Speaker 3: Okay, so you reckon. Just being passive is no longer

1844
01:26:58,280 --> 01:27:00,080
Speaker 3: a solution. So you don't buy a nice rental and

1845
01:27:00,120 --> 01:27:02,720
Speaker 3: then rented out. You buy a crapo, you do it up,

1846
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 3: you rent it out. That's how you make your money

1847
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:05,439
Speaker 3: when you add value yourself.

1848
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:10,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's always been a core strategy. Just buying

1849
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 7: a place that has had all the work done to it,

1850
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,679
Speaker 7: that's got no potential. Is no upside to that unless

1851
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:18,760
Speaker 7: you're in the crazy twenty twenty market when you could

1852
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 7: buy something one day and sell it the next week

1853
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,120
Speaker 7: for a profit. You know those days are gone.

1854
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 4: Matt looks for value.

1855
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:26,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, sorry, Karen.

1856
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,640
Speaker 3: On another subject altogether, which is my favorite subject to

1857
01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:32,400
Speaker 3: discuss with you, which is the healthy home standards. Any

1858
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:34,559
Speaker 3: any naughty landlord's been pinned.

1859
01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:38,840
Speaker 7: It doesn't look like it's not.

1860
01:27:40,640 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 4: More than normal.

1861
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:41,960
Speaker 21: Yeah.

1862
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:47,000
Speaker 7: Maybe it is still one of the top three issues

1863
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 7: that tenants bring before the tenancy Truvian all day. So

1864
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 7: it is out there and penalties are worse.

1865
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks, Matt, appreciate it. Matt Bull, who is the

1866
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 3: advocacy manager of the Property Investors Federation. Yet, Matt and

1867
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 3: I have had Matt and I have had a little

1868
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 3: little bit of cought it or back and forth about

1869
01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:04,719
Speaker 3: this particular issue because I don't know if you remember,

1870
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,880
Speaker 3: but the rules, well nobody remembers because no one cares.

1871
01:28:09,200 --> 01:28:11,599
Speaker 3: The Healthy Home Standards came in on the first of July,

1872
01:28:12,040 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 3: right and like there are I think I calculated that

1873
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 3: there must be something in the vicinity of potentially as

1874
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 3: correct me if I'm wrong, because it's off the top

1875
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:21,880
Speaker 3: of my head, but maybe three hundred thousand houses out

1876
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:24,120
Speaker 3: there that do not meet the standards, just judging by

1877
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 3: like a kind of like a couple of surveys that

1878
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:28,200
Speaker 3: you mash together and try to work it out. Numbers

1879
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,920
Speaker 3: will be woful, like way off. But that's the best

1880
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,559
Speaker 3: we've got, is that we know that there are tens

1881
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 3: of thousands, if not more, houses out there that do

1882
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,920
Speaker 3: not meet the standards. Anyway, I said, don't bother who cares.

1883
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:40,599
Speaker 3: We've got to ditch these standards because if you've got

1884
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:43,160
Speaker 3: that much, if you've got that many properties in breach

1885
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 3: of the standards. It's just too many. You can't possibly

1886
01:28:46,640 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 3: enforce the standards on that to be No, said Matt. No,

1887
01:28:50,120 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 3: it's not that many. No, No, everybody's doing the right thing. No,

1888
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 3: I don't worry about it. And then and I was like, well, whatever,

1889
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 3: we'll we'll see what happens. And it's like, now they're

1890
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 3: gonna get pink.

1891
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 2: No.

1892
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,080
Speaker 3: Well, look twenty eight, twenty nine days in and I

1893
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,920
Speaker 3: don't know, have you heard about anybody in ping to know?

1894
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:06,040
Speaker 3: Because what's the best case scenario is that the Ministry

1895
01:29:06,040 --> 01:29:08,840
Speaker 3: of Business, Innovation and Employment send some send some property

1896
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 3: inspectors down to the you know, the student flats and

1897
01:29:11,520 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 3: Duneda and have a crack around there and see what's

1898
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:16,240
Speaker 3: going on. But you know, that's the best case. And

1899
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 3: now most people like, ah, whatever, I don't care anyway, listen,

1900
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:21,040
Speaker 3: I've got to tell you about I said, I do a.

1901
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 3: I do a. It's just a dumb rule, isn't it. Anyway,

1902
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 3: I said, I do a review on the book that

1903
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,320
Speaker 3: I'm reading. I have finished it. And I'm telling you

1904
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,560
Speaker 3: this now because I've already texted the author and I

1905
01:29:31,640 --> 01:29:34,040
Speaker 3: sent her a message and I said, it's a gripping book.

1906
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:37,799
Speaker 3: It's a gripping book. This is Rachel Paris, the spouse

1907
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:41,479
Speaker 3: of Jason Paris, the CEO of One New Zealand formerly

1908
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 3: known as Vodafone. So I'm telling you this not because

1909
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:48,160
Speaker 3: because I really want you to know, Like I'm trying

1910
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:49,600
Speaker 3: to make this as interesting for you so that you

1911
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:51,360
Speaker 3: go out and buy this book, like you'd be like, oh,

1912
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,800
Speaker 3: this is the wife. This is why I'm telling you is

1913
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:57,400
Speaker 3: all these small world connections. Anyway, She's not a trophy wife.

1914
01:29:57,400 --> 01:29:59,840
Speaker 3: As I told you before, incredibly bright woman wrote, wrote

1915
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 3: a banger of a book. First chapter. I pulled my

1916
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:04,720
Speaker 3: back because I was that stressed out about what was

1917
01:30:04,760 --> 01:30:07,200
Speaker 3: going on. I finished the book last night, and against

1918
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 3: my better judgment, I could not put it. I could not.

1919
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,640
Speaker 3: I could not put it down, and I had to

1920
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:13,799
Speaker 3: read the last two chapters to find out what happened.

1921
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 3: There was some I saw one of the twists coming,

1922
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:17,880
Speaker 3: I didn't see the other twist coming, and it was

1923
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:19,840
Speaker 3: I should have listened to my I should have listened

1924
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,599
Speaker 3: to my better judgment, which said, don't read the last

1925
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 3: two chapters. Put the book down, because then I couldn't

1926
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,800
Speaker 3: sleep could I because it was so stressful the book

1927
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 3: and so exciting that I stayed up until two o'clock, well,

1928
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,880
Speaker 3: no until midnight when the baby woke me up, and

1929
01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:37,559
Speaker 3: then she kept me away till two. So that happened

1930
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,080
Speaker 3: on account of the book. But if you don't have

1931
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 3: a baby in your life, you should probably read See

1932
01:30:42,040 --> 01:30:44,559
Speaker 3: How They Fall at Night by Rachel Paris. If you

1933
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 3: do have a baby in your life, maybe read it

1934
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 3: during during the day so that you don't have the

1935
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 3: same experience that I do. It's for a first book,

1936
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 3: it's amazing. And now what I'm going to do is

1937
01:30:53,920 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 3: I'm going to read another book by another CEO spouse,

1938
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,200
Speaker 3: and this time the book is by the boy spouse.

1939
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Speaker 3: It's by Will as in Will Maloney as in Sophie

1940
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Speaker 3: of Sky TV's husband. So we'll see. Is his book

1941
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Speaker 3: any good? Sixteen away from seven?

1942
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Speaker 4: Encroaching the numbers and getting the results? It's hither too.

1943
01:31:12,520 --> 01:31:16,240
Speaker 1: For Sea Ellen, with the Business Hour and mes for

1944
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Speaker 1: Trusted Home Insurance Solutions, News Talk said, be oh.

1945
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have to. I mustn't forget to tell you

1946
01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:24,400
Speaker 3: about the Sydney Sweeney blowback on the jeans And it's

1947
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 3: thirteen away from seven though. Right now in the Brady

1948
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Speaker 3: are UK corresponders with us.

1949
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Speaker 30: Hey, Inda, Hey Heather, great to speak to you again.

1950
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Speaker 3: Why do you reckon Trump made Starma look like a visitor.

1951
01:31:35,400 --> 01:31:38,880
Speaker 30: Well, it was just the optics of everything, really, you

1952
01:31:38,920 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 30: know the fact that it was a Trump's golf course

1953
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 30: in the ballroom, and this is the British Prime Minister

1954
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 30: on British soil, and yet everything was led by the

1955
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:50,320
Speaker 30: American president. So I guess anyone who thought it was

1956
01:31:50,360 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 30: going to be in any way different, you know, more

1957
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 30: fool them. So Trump basically led the way, offered loads

1958
01:31:58,280 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 30: of opinions, did not stop. Tall weighed in on absolutely everything.

1959
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 30: So we have a lot of wind energy in the UK,

1960
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:08,040
Speaker 30: wind farms, and he referred to them as wind mills.

1961
01:32:08,200 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 30: He doesn't like them because he can see them from

1962
01:32:10,080 --> 01:32:12,439
Speaker 30: one of his golf courses. And then he weighed in

1963
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 30: on the Mayor of London, who is labor through and

1964
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 30: through Sadik Khan. He described them as a terrible person

1965
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:22,200
Speaker 30: doing a terrible job. And Starmer's sitting there for a

1966
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:24,519
Speaker 30: few seconds and thinking, and he said, I need to

1967
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 30: say something here, and all Starmer could come out with

1968
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:30,840
Speaker 30: was well, actually he's a friend of mine. And Trump

1969
01:32:31,000 --> 01:32:33,759
Speaker 30: just kept going on and he's even offered some advice

1970
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Speaker 30: about how to win the next election and see off

1971
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,760
Speaker 30: Nigel Farajan reform, so apparently cut taxes and stop the

1972
01:32:39,800 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 30: boats and that's pretty much what needs to happen in

1973
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Speaker 30: the next four years. So he got that right Trump.

1974
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Speaker 3: So, I mean, it is kind of awkward though, isn't

1975
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,240
Speaker 3: it that Kostamer went all the way to Scotland to

1976
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 3: visit Trump and then he misses out on the victory

1977
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:53,439
Speaker 3: parade that's happening back in London.

1978
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:57,360
Speaker 30: Yes, so the Lioness says, this is the England women's

1979
01:32:57,400 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 30: football team. They have made his story. They have retained

1980
01:33:00,600 --> 01:33:03,840
Speaker 30: their European Championship title. They beat the World champions spound

1981
01:33:03,880 --> 01:33:07,439
Speaker 30: the other night in Switzerland on penalties, and they made

1982
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 30: history because no England team has ever at senior level

1983
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 30: won a tournament on foreign soil. The men won the

1984
01:33:14,360 --> 01:33:16,760
Speaker 30: World Cup in sixty six and the last time the

1985
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 30: women won the Euros four years ago that was at Wembley.

1986
01:33:20,479 --> 01:33:23,360
Speaker 30: So they've made history. They were invited to Downing Street

1987
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:25,360
Speaker 30: last night, and you go to Downing Street you want

1988
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:28,879
Speaker 30: to meet the Prime minister. The Deputy Prime Minister Angela

1989
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 30: Reiner was there because mister Starmer was too busy with

1990
01:33:32,360 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 30: President Trump.

1991
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 3: Awkward and okay, what do you make of this fringe

1992
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:38,880
Speaker 3: town wanting to find the people.

1993
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 30: Shirtless men and bikini clad women who go into supermarkets.

1994
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Speaker 30: I agree wholeheartedly with the mayor of sab Lesable. Delon

1995
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,519
Speaker 30: is a beautiful little resort in the west of France.

1996
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 30: It's on the sea side, and the mayor points out

1997
01:33:55,240 --> 01:33:57,559
Speaker 30: if you want to go topless as a man, shirtless,

1998
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 30: if you want to be in a bikini as a woman,

1999
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,200
Speaker 30: we've got nine kilometers of beach, go down there. They

2000
01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:08,880
Speaker 30: say it's unhygienic having people shirtless and bikini class market.

2001
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:11,560
Speaker 30: Fo No, And you know what, I'm gonna sound like

2002
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:15,040
Speaker 30: an awful snob here, Heather, I completely agree with the mayor.

2003
01:34:15,280 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 30: If you're on holidays, you don't want to see beer

2004
01:34:18,040 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 30: bellies as you're stucking up on your.

2005
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:23,000
Speaker 3: Narves and the only thing you can look at. I mean,

2006
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 3: some of them have got bodies like like, I don't

2007
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:28,759
Speaker 3: know a kindle and that's not a beat. And also,

2008
01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:30,800
Speaker 3: come on, get back to me on that. Yeah, well,

2009
01:34:30,800 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 3: what about if they're down at the beach and they're

2010
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,559
Speaker 3: having a great time. Like, geez, I'm really thirsty. I'm

2011
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:37,040
Speaker 3: just going to nip into that supermarket and get myself

2012
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:38,720
Speaker 3: a bottle of water. But I didn't bring my top

2013
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 3: with But it's like, I'm just gonna nip in. You

2014
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 3: really don't want that.

2015
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:44,639
Speaker 30: You're getting a two hundred dollars fine in this town

2016
01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 30: if you do this from now on. They've had enough.

2017
01:34:46,520 --> 01:34:49,120
Speaker 30: The only thing I'm not this sounds very stereotypical. The

2018
01:34:49,160 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 30: only thing I'm not surprised about is that the French

2019
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:53,720
Speaker 30: haven't managed to go and strike about this, but the

2020
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 30: mayor has. The mayor has had enough. He's spoken out

2021
01:34:57,560 --> 01:34:59,960
Speaker 30: and look he you know, these are politically elected people.

2022
01:35:00,320 --> 01:35:03,040
Speaker 30: So the people of the town have clearly had enough

2023
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 30: of tourists wearing very little wandering around their supermarkets. So

2024
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:11,479
Speaker 30: hence he's brought in this policy. I say take my

2025
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:12,320
Speaker 30: top off to him.

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Speaker 3: Yah, good on your end to look after yourself. Thanks mate.

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Speaker 3: We're talking a couple of days in the Brady, UK corresponding,

2028
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:20,000
Speaker 3: I'll give you my theory on this, Okay. My theory

2029
01:35:20,040 --> 01:35:22,120
Speaker 3: on this is that they don't have a beach culture.

2030
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 3: They don't have a I mean, I don't know if

2031
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 3: you've been to a French beach, but it's not flash

2032
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 3: and obviously this just don't even go anywhere near Indo's

2033
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:31,120
Speaker 3: beaches in the UK. That's just rubbish. It's not even

2034
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:33,280
Speaker 3: worth talking about. They don't have a beach culture. You

2035
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:37,160
Speaker 3: have a beach culture places like the mount, places like

2036
01:35:37,240 --> 01:35:40,200
Speaker 3: the Mandal, anywhere in New Zealand where we have a

2037
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:44,120
Speaker 3: good old good summer and a good beach and stuff, Australia,

2038
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,799
Speaker 3: South Africa, you know, anywhere like that. It's no problem.

2039
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,600
Speaker 3: You just like you know, the supermarket's basically lucky to

2040
01:35:51,640 --> 01:35:52,800
Speaker 3: be by the beach, do you know what I mean?

2041
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:55,120
Speaker 3: The supermarket is the extension of the beach. You're welcome

2042
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 3: to the supermarket for being here to cater to us

2043
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:01,040
Speaker 3: at the beach. You are you just it's no problem.

2044
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:02,559
Speaker 3: There's no delineation, do you know what I mean? That's

2045
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,840
Speaker 3: how we roll in this country, don't We just wander

2046
01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:06,960
Speaker 3: across the road, go into your four square, come back

2047
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:09,439
Speaker 3: out again without your jandles on, go back to the beach.

2048
01:36:09,800 --> 01:36:11,759
Speaker 3: Their problem is that they don't have a beach culture.

2049
01:36:11,960 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 3: But it's okay because we just don't have to go

2050
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:15,560
Speaker 3: to their stink beaches. Eight away from seven.

2051
01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 1: It's the Heather two per se Allan Drive full show

2052
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by news dog Zebbi.

2053
01:36:24,760 --> 01:36:27,000
Speaker 3: Here that Italy has a beach culture, but it's not

2054
01:36:27,040 --> 01:36:28,680
Speaker 3: the done thing over there. It's not that we have

2055
01:36:28,760 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 3: a beach culture, it's that were peasants. Thank you, Sandra,

2056
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 3: Just making sure everybody knows that was from Sandra, not

2057
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,120
Speaker 3: from me. Six away from seven. Now you know this

2058
01:36:38,200 --> 01:36:39,960
Speaker 3: ad I was telling you about on Friday, This is

2059
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 3: the Sydney Sweeney. Is Sydney Sweeney selling the jen zad.

2060
01:36:44,080 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 11: I'm not here to tell you to buy American Eagle Chance,

2061
01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:49,760
Speaker 11: and I definitely won't say that they're the most comfortable

2062
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:53,800
Speaker 11: chans I've ever worn, or that they make your butt

2063
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,000
Speaker 11: look amazing.

2064
01:36:56,240 --> 01:36:59,880
Speaker 3: Hell, Hell, that's gone down. So they launched that on Friday,

2065
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:03,240
Speaker 3: maybe like Thursday night or whatever, and immediately it was

2066
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 3: just fantastic for the apparel company. Right they just went

2067
01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 3: which has been gangbusters. The share price went up. It

2068
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:12,519
Speaker 3: was completely untethered from reality. Since then, there has been

2069
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 3: some massive blowback to the ad, basically that the AD's

2070
01:37:17,080 --> 01:37:20,880
Speaker 3: been accused of playing to sexist stereotypes because she has

2071
01:37:20,880 --> 01:37:23,200
Speaker 3: got a set of good knockers. I'm not gonna lie.

2072
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 3: They are lay look amazing. And the way that that

2073
01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:30,880
Speaker 3: denim jacket has been finched together to get a good

2074
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:33,960
Speaker 3: cleavage there, like that's like that looks great and the

2075
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 3: camera lingers on it. Also then she gets up there,

2076
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna tell you that they Jane's got on

2077
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 3: your bat and then the camera looks at the butt

2078
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:43,559
Speaker 3: like Rullsom's in on that, Like a lot of crop

2079
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 3: shot going on there. Anyway, then she walks away, So anyway,

2080
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,840
Speaker 3: she's she's basically been accused of flaunting her weares. I say,

2081
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:51,240
Speaker 3: if you've got it, girl, make some money off it.

2082
01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 3: Is not doing anything illegal there. It's just a good

2083
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 3: ad as well, isn't it if you're trying to sell

2084
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,559
Speaker 3: jeans based on can you look like Sidney Sweeney? Anyway?

2085
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 3: Also though being accused of promoting eugenics because she's because

2086
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:05,760
Speaker 3: it's a play on words, so she's like, look at

2087
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 3: my good genes as in denim jeans as an also

2088
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:12,280
Speaker 3: like genetic material and people because she's blonde and has

2089
01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 3: blue eyes, everybody's like, h literally accused her of Nazi

2090
01:38:17,160 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 3: fascist propaganda. Anyway, long Bow obviously incredibly long Bow. What

2091
01:38:23,479 --> 01:38:25,280
Speaker 3: I would say in response to all of this is

2092
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 3: excellent ad because it's been out for most of for

2093
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 3: like half a week, and we are still talking about it,

2094
01:38:31,360 --> 01:38:33,000
Speaker 3: and now you're gonna go look at it, aren't you,

2095
01:38:33,200 --> 01:38:35,880
Speaker 3: because there's cleavage and controversy. So good ad.

2096
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:40,680
Speaker 23: Ants I see fire by Ed Shearon As performed at

2097
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:43,120
Speaker 23: one of his christ shows last time. I'm pretty sure

2098
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 23: this is the secret one He did for one hundred

2099
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:48,840
Speaker 23: z M competition Whiners at the Botanical Gardens. On that tour,

2100
01:38:48,880 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 23: he also played Hancastle Arena the main show, and he

2101
01:38:51,479 --> 01:38:55,080
Speaker 23: played to a school as well, Redcliff's Primary School. So yeah,

2102
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,120
Speaker 23: just a great guy. I mean, why wouldn't you like him?

2103
01:38:57,120 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 3: No, I mean he is a great guy, and he

2104
01:38:58,760 --> 01:39:01,600
Speaker 3: looks like he's an actually a really invested dad, and

2105
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 3: I love that about him, and I love that he

2106
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 3: seems like a normal dude. Why didn't you play me

2107
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:06,000
Speaker 3: the rap?

2108
01:39:06,920 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 23: Because the rap has too many swear words in it,

2109
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,599
Speaker 23: so sweat of course he does.

2110
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought he was just a ganger, good boy.

2111
01:39:14,120 --> 01:39:16,280
Speaker 23: No, No, I think quite a few of the album

2112
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,680
Speaker 23: versions of his songs, even on his regular albums, have

2113
01:39:18,800 --> 01:39:20,720
Speaker 23: swear words in them. This one doesn't, though, so it's

2114
01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 23: safe as zed b. This was also his first number

2115
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,320
Speaker 23: one in New zeal It's also one.

2116
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:30,280
Speaker 3: Of his shite songs. Is you'd be gutted if this

2117
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:31,880
Speaker 3: was the last show out.

2118
01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:34,360
Speaker 4: With this.

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01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 3: I can't argue with this, but if this was the

2120
01:39:36,520 --> 01:39:40,559
Speaker 3: last song at the show, you'd be like, oh, yuck boring. Anyway, Look,

2121
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:55,599
Speaker 3: if you're going enjoy.

2122
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:55,280
Speaker 4: Thank you for more from Hither duplessy Alan Drive.

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Speaker 1: Listen live to news Talk z'd be from four pm weekdays,

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