1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Vine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:15,227 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB. The Biggest Things in sport are 3 00:00:15,267 --> 00:00:19,907 Speaker 1: on Weekend Sport with Jason Vine and GJ. Gunnerholmes, New 4 00:00:19,987 --> 00:00:22,547 Speaker 1: Zealand's most trusted home builder, News talgs. 5 00:00:22,387 --> 00:00:25,907 Speaker 2: EDB bleed uslow one five forty five this afternoon. Full 6 00:00:25,947 --> 00:00:28,827 Speaker 2: live commentary here on Newstalks EDB. We'll build up after 7 00:00:28,867 --> 00:00:31,267 Speaker 2: the five o'clock news to kick off at five forty five. 8 00:00:31,307 --> 00:00:34,267 Speaker 2: Elliott Smith has the call. Mike Brewer was one of 9 00:00:34,307 --> 00:00:37,747 Speaker 2: New Zealand's best loose forwards between the mid eighties and 10 00:00:37,827 --> 00:00:38,627 Speaker 2: the mid nineties. 11 00:00:38,707 --> 00:00:40,387 Speaker 3: Brew is not the ball and this time he is 12 00:00:40,467 --> 00:00:43,707 Speaker 3: through the game himself. Quite Brewer, lovely round. But this 13 00:00:43,747 --> 00:00:47,507 Speaker 3: is a sensational topic. Dry what a superb piece of 14 00:00:47,627 --> 00:00:48,267 Speaker 3: rugby skill. 15 00:00:48,507 --> 00:00:50,907 Speaker 2: Mike Brewer played sixty one times for the All Blacks. 16 00:00:50,947 --> 00:00:52,987 Speaker 2: Thirty two of those were Test matches, a dozen of 17 00:00:53,027 --> 00:00:57,347 Speaker 2: those tests against Australia. After injury cruelly ruled them out 18 00:00:57,347 --> 00:01:00,307 Speaker 2: of the eighty seven and nineteen ninety one Rugby World Cups. 19 00:01:00,307 --> 00:01:03,027 Speaker 2: He went to the nineteen ninety five tournament in South Africa, 20 00:01:03,147 --> 00:01:06,027 Speaker 2: playing in two poor matches the semi and also the 21 00:01:06,107 --> 00:01:09,747 Speaker 2: rag BE World Cup Final. His versatility saw him start 22 00:01:09,787 --> 00:01:13,867 Speaker 2: test matches in all three loose forward positions. He's now 23 00:01:13,867 --> 00:01:16,427 Speaker 2: coaching Rugby and Italy, but still keeps a very close 24 00:01:16,467 --> 00:01:18,307 Speaker 2: eye on the All Blacks and joins us Now, Mike, 25 00:01:18,347 --> 00:01:20,987 Speaker 2: thanks for taking the time. Let's start with a broad question. 26 00:01:21,387 --> 00:01:24,427 Speaker 2: How have you rated the All Blacks performances so far 27 00:01:24,667 --> 00:01:25,747 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four? 28 00:01:25,907 --> 00:01:33,027 Speaker 3: In general terms, I think they've been relatively consistent. I 29 00:01:33,187 --> 00:01:36,707 Speaker 3: still think they're trying to find their feet with respect 30 00:01:36,747 --> 00:01:44,427 Speaker 3: to their style and sort of methodologies of playing. But overall, 31 00:01:44,467 --> 00:01:48,787 Speaker 3: I think I think it's positive. You'd have to score 32 00:01:48,827 --> 00:01:51,067 Speaker 3: it positive the style of play. 33 00:01:51,627 --> 00:01:54,747 Speaker 2: How long should it take for them to adapt to? 34 00:01:54,787 --> 00:01:57,747 Speaker 2: What Scott Robertson is asking of them, how long should 35 00:01:57,747 --> 00:02:00,507 Speaker 2: a group of players take to adapt to a new 36 00:02:00,547 --> 00:02:01,267 Speaker 2: coaching style? 37 00:02:05,587 --> 00:02:06,787 Speaker 3: Two games at level? 38 00:02:08,427 --> 00:02:09,467 Speaker 2: All right, so we're what are we? 39 00:02:09,507 --> 00:02:09,627 Speaker 3: Now? 40 00:02:09,667 --> 00:02:13,507 Speaker 2: We're we're seven? And now so are we behind schedule? 41 00:02:13,587 --> 00:02:19,307 Speaker 2: In that regard, one of the one of the things 42 00:02:19,307 --> 00:02:19,947 Speaker 2: that I was. 43 00:02:22,267 --> 00:02:25,547 Speaker 3: News so to speak, was the strategy that they had 44 00:02:25,587 --> 00:02:28,987 Speaker 3: for South Africa. Was was quite clear about going out 45 00:02:28,987 --> 00:02:31,067 Speaker 3: there to try and run South Africa off their seat 46 00:02:32,587 --> 00:02:35,467 Speaker 3: and you know, play a game, a game of tempo. 47 00:02:36,107 --> 00:02:40,107 Speaker 3: But I think that I think there's a little bit 48 00:02:40,107 --> 00:02:44,267 Speaker 3: of naivety on the on the half of the coaching 49 00:02:44,307 --> 00:02:46,707 Speaker 3: staff where if you're going to play a game like that, 50 00:02:46,747 --> 00:02:48,867 Speaker 3: you can't expect your front row or you type five 51 00:02:48,947 --> 00:02:52,307 Speaker 3: to to carry on for sixty five seventy minutes. And 52 00:02:53,827 --> 00:02:56,427 Speaker 3: you know, I think is that there's certainly a lack 53 00:02:56,507 --> 00:03:00,987 Speaker 3: of belief from the coaching staff with regards to our bench. 54 00:03:02,347 --> 00:03:06,067 Speaker 2: Just expand on that for us. So we've seen the 55 00:03:06,107 --> 00:03:09,627 Speaker 2: South African side obviously bring their bench on almost en 56 00:03:09,787 --> 00:03:13,067 Speaker 2: mass and around the sort of forty fiftieth minute on occasion. 57 00:03:13,627 --> 00:03:16,067 Speaker 2: Do you believe there's a lack of trust in those 58 00:03:16,147 --> 00:03:18,467 Speaker 2: wearing the higher number jerseys. 59 00:03:19,067 --> 00:03:21,867 Speaker 3: Well, it was obvious Piney in the first like we 60 00:03:21,947 --> 00:03:25,627 Speaker 3: completely dominated THINKA in the second test. We completely dominated 61 00:03:25,867 --> 00:03:29,027 Speaker 3: the first twenty minutes of the second Test to the 62 00:03:29,067 --> 00:03:32,067 Speaker 3: extent with the South African hooker sat down on the 63 00:03:32,067 --> 00:03:35,067 Speaker 3: ground and played around with his boots for two minutes 64 00:03:35,107 --> 00:03:37,667 Speaker 3: to give his team a bit of a breather. But 65 00:03:38,507 --> 00:03:42,467 Speaker 3: if you're going to play a game, a game like that, 66 00:03:42,627 --> 00:03:45,587 Speaker 3: a strategy like that, then you've really got to have 67 00:03:45,787 --> 00:03:50,307 Speaker 3: total belief in your bench that when South Africa roll 68 00:03:50,387 --> 00:03:54,107 Speaker 3: on there there's six or seven forwards after forty five 69 00:03:54,107 --> 00:03:57,547 Speaker 3: to fifty minutes, then we roll on ours as well. 70 00:03:57,587 --> 00:04:01,467 Speaker 3: To continue on that intensity was your game strategy. So 71 00:04:02,267 --> 00:04:06,227 Speaker 3: you know, if you remember in that second half, I 72 00:04:06,467 --> 00:04:11,267 Speaker 3: thought Trill Lomax had a had a fantastic game. But 73 00:04:11,307 --> 00:04:13,707 Speaker 3: the first thing that we saw was, you know, he 74 00:04:13,747 --> 00:04:15,947 Speaker 3: went down on a scrum at about the sixty sixty 75 00:04:15,987 --> 00:04:18,827 Speaker 3: sixth minute gave Way a penalty, So there was a 76 00:04:18,867 --> 00:04:21,707 Speaker 3: sign of fatigue for me. And then you know a 77 00:04:21,747 --> 00:04:25,267 Speaker 3: bit of a lazy shoulder on Chis and Colby which 78 00:04:25,347 --> 00:04:28,347 Speaker 3: gave Way, you know, a penalty in ten minutes, So 79 00:04:28,827 --> 00:04:32,307 Speaker 3: that's a fatigue factor. So in my opinion, you know, 80 00:04:32,347 --> 00:04:34,627 Speaker 3: he shouldn't have been on the field. He fetch and 81 00:04:34,667 --> 00:04:36,987 Speaker 3: Neal should have been on the field by then, and 82 00:04:37,347 --> 00:04:40,267 Speaker 3: I just think it's it's it's naive to go into 83 00:04:40,307 --> 00:04:43,387 Speaker 3: a go into a Test match against a very good 84 00:04:43,427 --> 00:04:48,947 Speaker 3: team and not be prepared to play everybody for the 85 00:04:48,987 --> 00:04:51,987 Speaker 3: optimal amount of time on the on the field. 86 00:04:52,307 --> 00:04:54,147 Speaker 2: Well, I guess in that Test match as well, Sam 87 00:04:54,187 --> 00:04:57,187 Speaker 2: Dowry didn't get on at all so it's pretty rare 88 00:04:57,227 --> 00:05:01,187 Speaker 2: to see an unused substitute. A safe Moor only came 89 00:05:01,227 --> 00:05:02,747 Speaker 2: on when Cody Taylor had to go off for a 90 00:05:02,747 --> 00:05:05,467 Speaker 2: bit of an hia. So how do you and is 91 00:05:05,507 --> 00:05:08,067 Speaker 2: she Cody Taylors in the interesting one? For me terrific 92 00:05:08,227 --> 00:05:10,587 Speaker 2: so far this year? Is there a case and it's 93 00:05:10,587 --> 00:05:12,547 Speaker 2: a bit of a counterpoint to what you've been talking about, 94 00:05:12,707 --> 00:05:14,307 Speaker 2: is there a case for a bloke to play eighty 95 00:05:14,347 --> 00:05:16,547 Speaker 2: minutes in a in a position like the front row 96 00:05:16,667 --> 00:05:16,827 Speaker 2: or not? 97 00:05:19,747 --> 00:05:25,427 Speaker 3: There shouldn't be in reality. What it's telling you, what 98 00:05:25,427 --> 00:05:27,707 Speaker 3: it's telling me, what it should be telling everyone else, 99 00:05:29,067 --> 00:05:34,067 Speaker 3: is that the difference between the starting hooker and the 100 00:05:34,107 --> 00:05:38,667 Speaker 3: reserve hooker is that significant that there's a chance that 101 00:05:38,867 --> 00:05:40,467 Speaker 3: you know, they won't be able to measure up. And 102 00:05:40,947 --> 00:05:42,867 Speaker 3: if you remember in the first Test when he came on, 103 00:05:43,187 --> 00:05:45,827 Speaker 3: he didn't never didn't have a great impact either. So 104 00:05:46,947 --> 00:05:51,947 Speaker 3: the biggest thing that for me is is the not 105 00:05:52,187 --> 00:05:54,267 Speaker 3: to the confidence it's going to give these young guys 106 00:05:54,667 --> 00:05:59,547 Speaker 3: to Amor to Sam Dowry, to Fletcher newl by not 107 00:05:59,667 --> 00:06:02,547 Speaker 3: going on the field until the seventieth minute or even later, 108 00:06:02,987 --> 00:06:05,827 Speaker 3: or even at all. You know, I can't see them 109 00:06:06,427 --> 00:06:10,427 Speaker 3: really having a big impact the next time they will 110 00:06:10,467 --> 00:06:12,867 Speaker 3: go onto the field in the black jersey. And and 111 00:06:12,987 --> 00:06:18,067 Speaker 3: even worse is when the when the coach coaching staff 112 00:06:18,067 --> 00:06:21,187 Speaker 3: don't have confidence in the bench. That also has an 113 00:06:21,227 --> 00:06:23,987 Speaker 3: impact on the experienced players in the team as well. 114 00:06:24,427 --> 00:06:27,347 Speaker 3: They start not you know, they start dropping their confidence 115 00:06:27,387 --> 00:06:29,787 Speaker 3: in those players. So it's a bit of a you know, 116 00:06:29,827 --> 00:06:32,667 Speaker 3: it's a double edged sword. So start off with a 117 00:06:32,707 --> 00:06:34,747 Speaker 3: strategy that you're going to run, the run, the run 118 00:06:34,787 --> 00:06:38,387 Speaker 3: the ball for eighty minutes. Then part of that strategy is, 119 00:06:38,507 --> 00:06:41,347 Speaker 3: no matter what the score is and how things are going, 120 00:06:41,707 --> 00:06:44,747 Speaker 3: as you make those changes between forty five and fifty 121 00:06:44,747 --> 00:06:47,627 Speaker 3: five minutes. That's that's purely my opinion. 122 00:06:47,747 --> 00:06:50,827 Speaker 2: Just picking up on the on the issue of confidence. 123 00:06:50,827 --> 00:06:52,707 Speaker 2: When you played for the All Blacks, Mike, I remember 124 00:06:52,707 --> 00:06:56,427 Speaker 2: there was an absolute sense of invincibility around the side, 125 00:06:56,627 --> 00:06:59,067 Speaker 2: and even when you lost, which wasn't very often, there 126 00:06:59,147 --> 00:07:03,027 Speaker 2: is a very specific way of talking publicly afterwards. What 127 00:07:03,147 --> 00:07:04,747 Speaker 2: sense do you get coming out of the All Blacks 128 00:07:04,787 --> 00:07:08,827 Speaker 2: camp with regards to their Curran's air of confidence. I 129 00:07:08,867 --> 00:07:11,427 Speaker 2: think the invincibility is gone, but in terms of the 130 00:07:11,467 --> 00:07:14,587 Speaker 2: way they they present themselves publicly. 131 00:07:15,827 --> 00:07:20,547 Speaker 3: Well, we played in the amateur days, Biney, but we 132 00:07:20,547 --> 00:07:25,227 Speaker 3: were schooled that even when Australia were world champs, we 133 00:07:25,227 --> 00:07:28,827 Speaker 3: were schooled to never call them world champs. When we 134 00:07:28,867 --> 00:07:31,947 Speaker 3: were talking to the media on television immediately after the 135 00:07:31,987 --> 00:07:35,947 Speaker 3: game and the narrative that you know we were, we 136 00:07:35,987 --> 00:07:38,867 Speaker 3: would always we would be polite and we would just say, 137 00:07:39,307 --> 00:07:42,387 Speaker 3: you know, they're a good side Australia or the team 138 00:07:42,427 --> 00:07:45,387 Speaker 3: that won on them at that day, they're a good 139 00:07:45,387 --> 00:07:47,867 Speaker 3: side and the better team one of the day. The 140 00:07:47,987 --> 00:07:50,747 Speaker 3: narrative that's coming out of the All Black squad is 141 00:07:51,347 --> 00:07:53,947 Speaker 3: that South Africa is the best team in the world. 142 00:07:53,947 --> 00:07:57,667 Speaker 3: They're number one. They're fantastic team. And for me that 143 00:07:57,707 --> 00:08:00,827 Speaker 3: plays into the psyche of the of the South African nature, 144 00:08:01,787 --> 00:08:04,107 Speaker 3: the way they are as people, the way they are 145 00:08:04,107 --> 00:08:06,507 Speaker 3: as a race. And I know a lot of the 146 00:08:06,507 --> 00:08:10,867 Speaker 3: guys really well in South Africa, they'll be sniggering, you know, 147 00:08:10,987 --> 00:08:14,347 Speaker 3: behind behind the scenes, going we've really got into these 148 00:08:14,507 --> 00:08:17,427 Speaker 3: All Blacks. Where after a test match where we beat them, 149 00:08:17,827 --> 00:08:19,627 Speaker 3: they even tell us how good, how good we are, 150 00:08:19,667 --> 00:08:23,627 Speaker 3: how great we are. We were even school that, you know, 151 00:08:23,627 --> 00:08:27,267 Speaker 3: if we beat a team like France, and France we 152 00:08:27,307 --> 00:08:29,467 Speaker 3: wouldn't jump up and down after the test as if 153 00:08:29,467 --> 00:08:32,507 Speaker 3: it was you know, as if we didn't expect it. 154 00:08:32,627 --> 00:08:34,467 Speaker 3: Is one of the things that you know, you taught 155 00:08:34,507 --> 00:08:38,187 Speaker 3: in psychology of sport is you always show that confidence that, 156 00:08:38,507 --> 00:08:40,707 Speaker 3: oh we won the match that was expected of us. 157 00:08:40,827 --> 00:08:44,427 Speaker 3: We wouldn't we wouldn't think anything else. So there's I 158 00:08:44,427 --> 00:08:48,107 Speaker 3: think there's there's little wee things there that for me, 159 00:08:49,987 --> 00:08:54,627 Speaker 3: we're fueling. We're fueling that South African confidence and it's 160 00:08:54,987 --> 00:08:57,267 Speaker 3: a little bit of that demise that we're talking about 161 00:08:57,307 --> 00:09:00,027 Speaker 3: as that invincibility, that aura of the all black, of 162 00:09:00,107 --> 00:09:02,787 Speaker 3: the all Black jersey, and that the All Blacks continuing 163 00:09:02,787 --> 00:09:06,787 Speaker 3: that winning streak for for decades and decades. So I 164 00:09:06,947 --> 00:09:11,667 Speaker 3: just like, you know, the team to to just adopt 165 00:09:11,667 --> 00:09:14,707 Speaker 3: the approach of if we don't win a game, and 166 00:09:15,947 --> 00:09:19,467 Speaker 3: like they didn't win those two games against South Africa recently, 167 00:09:20,707 --> 00:09:24,947 Speaker 3: South Africa went that formidable that we didn't look like winning. 168 00:09:25,267 --> 00:09:28,267 Speaker 3: We were in the game for sixty minutes and I 169 00:09:28,307 --> 00:09:31,507 Speaker 3: think through tiredness and that we're not scoring points in 170 00:09:31,547 --> 00:09:34,707 Speaker 3: the last twenty minutes, and to me, that's very indicative 171 00:09:34,747 --> 00:09:37,547 Speaker 3: is that we've got tired players on the field. Against 172 00:09:37,587 --> 00:09:39,947 Speaker 3: fresh players, and when you've got tire players on the 173 00:09:39,987 --> 00:09:43,267 Speaker 3: field against fresh players an international level, it's unlikely you're 174 00:09:43,267 --> 00:09:45,547 Speaker 3: going to score points like they're used to scoring. So 175 00:09:46,307 --> 00:09:48,187 Speaker 3: I think that narrative has to change. And there's that 176 00:09:48,227 --> 00:09:51,387 Speaker 3: whole approach of the how they talk to the press. 177 00:09:51,747 --> 00:09:53,627 Speaker 2: Do you think, Mike, that they just don't want to 178 00:09:53,667 --> 00:09:54,827 Speaker 2: come across as arrogant. 179 00:09:57,027 --> 00:10:00,547 Speaker 3: It's not about being arrogant. It's about it's about accepting 180 00:10:00,587 --> 00:10:04,427 Speaker 3: you you've lost on the day, that you know that 181 00:10:04,467 --> 00:10:07,747 Speaker 3: the better team won on the day. But it's also 182 00:10:08,947 --> 00:10:13,067 Speaker 3: having a mindset where we're still the best team in 183 00:10:13,107 --> 00:10:17,067 Speaker 3: the world. We were working really hard to remain the 184 00:10:17,107 --> 00:10:18,547 Speaker 3: best team in the world. We're going to be the 185 00:10:18,547 --> 00:10:21,307 Speaker 3: best team in the world. So it's like anything point 186 00:10:21,427 --> 00:10:24,627 Speaker 3: if if it's like a negative affirmation, so he keep 187 00:10:24,707 --> 00:10:28,707 Speaker 3: saying it enough, then you'll start believing it. Good point. 188 00:10:28,827 --> 00:10:31,707 Speaker 2: Just on the loose forward trio, Wallace to tit Sam 189 00:10:31,747 --> 00:10:34,947 Speaker 2: Canardi Savia will start for the second successive test. That 190 00:10:35,067 --> 00:10:37,707 Speaker 2: was the loose forward trio that started in Cape Town. 191 00:10:37,907 --> 00:10:39,587 Speaker 2: What do you make of that? As a six seven eight? 192 00:10:41,267 --> 00:10:43,507 Speaker 3: They played They played really well Wallace. You know, I 193 00:10:43,547 --> 00:10:48,267 Speaker 3: had a couple of mistakes, but he carried well. I 194 00:10:48,307 --> 00:10:53,147 Speaker 3: really hope they don't do what they did with Shannon Frazel. 195 00:10:54,387 --> 00:10:57,227 Speaker 3: I remember when Shannon came onto the scene, he started, 196 00:10:57,227 --> 00:11:00,227 Speaker 3: he didn't, he was dropped out and in the end 197 00:11:00,267 --> 00:11:02,787 Speaker 3: he'd lost a lot of confidence. And it wasn't it 198 00:11:02,907 --> 00:11:05,267 Speaker 3: wasn't until he primarily decided he was going to go 199 00:11:05,307 --> 00:11:08,307 Speaker 3: to Japan and play. He basically said effort, I was 200 00:11:08,307 --> 00:11:10,147 Speaker 3: just going to go out and play my game. That 201 00:11:10,587 --> 00:11:13,547 Speaker 3: you know, he played. He played with a comfort of 202 00:11:14,227 --> 00:11:17,427 Speaker 3: knowing that if the selectors didn't like what he was doing, 203 00:11:17,747 --> 00:11:20,187 Speaker 3: then it didn't matter because he was leaving anyway. And 204 00:11:20,187 --> 00:11:22,587 Speaker 3: and that brought out the best of him. And you know, 205 00:11:22,627 --> 00:11:25,267 Speaker 3: particularly with a lot of the Pacific Island boys, is 206 00:11:25,707 --> 00:11:28,667 Speaker 3: you've got to keep fueling that confidence in them, in 207 00:11:28,707 --> 00:11:31,747 Speaker 3: their ability, and that's that's what I hope they do 208 00:11:31,867 --> 00:11:35,467 Speaker 3: with Wallace. I think we made some bad mistakes with Frandons. 209 00:11:35,507 --> 00:11:38,267 Speaker 3: You know, with Shanni Frazel and the moment that he 210 00:11:38,347 --> 00:11:41,467 Speaker 3: started playing well again at the last World Cup. They 211 00:11:41,507 --> 00:11:43,187 Speaker 3: tried to get him back from Japan, but by that 212 00:11:43,267 --> 00:11:44,547 Speaker 3: by that stage it was too late. 213 00:11:45,347 --> 00:11:47,667 Speaker 2: And just on Australia, I think a dozen of your 214 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:50,987 Speaker 2: test matches were against against big brother from across the Tasman. 215 00:11:51,027 --> 00:11:53,667 Speaker 2: Were they the games you your relished the most? 216 00:11:55,427 --> 00:11:59,587 Speaker 3: I was always I enjoyed playing against the Wallabies because 217 00:12:00,107 --> 00:12:02,467 Speaker 3: the guys that I played against, you know, Simon Poet 218 00:12:02,587 --> 00:12:07,027 Speaker 3: and Jeff Miller, all those guys that an open side 219 00:12:07,107 --> 00:12:10,347 Speaker 3: and number eight to the heaven and those sort of guys, 220 00:12:10,787 --> 00:12:14,067 Speaker 3: they're all very very good international So it was a 221 00:12:14,307 --> 00:12:16,427 Speaker 3: it was a it was a scrap and a half 222 00:12:16,547 --> 00:12:21,907 Speaker 3: every Test. I think that they're just lacking, lacking the 223 00:12:21,947 --> 00:12:25,187 Speaker 3: cattle at the moment. They really are lacking what I 224 00:12:25,227 --> 00:12:30,147 Speaker 3: would perceive as top class international footballers. And when you 225 00:12:30,227 --> 00:12:33,387 Speaker 3: haven't got those top top class international players, then you're 226 00:12:33,427 --> 00:12:37,067 Speaker 3: going to show go. I think, you know, Australia really 227 00:12:37,107 --> 00:12:38,987 Speaker 3: are what Wales is at the moment in the northern 228 00:12:39,027 --> 00:12:43,667 Speaker 3: ends there. You know, they're a squad of a youngish 229 00:12:43,707 --> 00:12:48,587 Speaker 3: team with not a lot of experience but also just 230 00:12:48,667 --> 00:12:51,187 Speaker 3: lacking that little bit of class and whether that comes 231 00:12:51,227 --> 00:12:54,507 Speaker 3: through with experience then you know, I think, I hope so, 232 00:12:54,667 --> 00:12:58,427 Speaker 3: because it's a little bit like the All Black Girls 233 00:12:58,427 --> 00:13:01,187 Speaker 3: saying that the All Blacks are always strong. When Auckland 234 00:13:01,227 --> 00:13:05,147 Speaker 3: and Kennerby are strong. The all blacks are also strong. 235 00:13:05,147 --> 00:13:06,947 Speaker 3: When when when the walla is it strong? 236 00:13:08,027 --> 00:13:10,387 Speaker 2: Great to get your analysis and insight, Mike. Thanks for 237 00:13:10,427 --> 00:13:11,587 Speaker 2: taking the time this afternoon. 238 00:13:12,587 --> 00:13:14,107 Speaker 3: Cheers, Poney, enjoy the test. 239 00:13:14,187 --> 00:13:16,507 Speaker 2: You enjoy the test too, Mike. Thanks indeed, Mike Brewer, 240 00:13:16,867 --> 00:13:20,427 Speaker 2: there lots to pick up on there 241 00:13:21,307 --> 00:13:24,507 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 242 00:13:24,587 --> 00:13:27,907 Speaker 1: to News Talk st B weekends from midday, or follow 243 00:13:27,947 --> 00:13:29,547 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.