WEBVTT - On The Front Foot: Episode 174 0:00:09.133 --> 0:00:12.013 You're listening to a podcast from News Talks at B 0:00:12.413 --> 0:00:19.253 follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 0:00:21.013 --> 0:00:25.333 Take another poet in It's andreck, It is out, The 0:00:25.413 --> 0:00:30.493 test is over. Couldn't a smooth fows a beauty? 0:00:30.613 --> 0:00:32.253 This is out here? 0:00:32.293 --> 0:00:33.773 You gous? This delivery has in. 0:00:34.293 --> 0:00:35.333 Users the Bold. 0:00:37.413 --> 0:00:40.773 On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 0:00:41.093 --> 0:00:44.973 powered by News Talks dead B at iHeartRadio. 0:00:47.853 --> 0:00:50.573 Hello, nice to have you on the front foot once again. 0:00:51.013 --> 0:00:56.693 Two winds over, Powerhouse Aganda and PNNG Third in the Fall. 0:00:57.053 --> 0:00:59.213 But it doesn't hide the fact that this World t 0:00:59.413 --> 0:01:02.773 twenty exposed some major shortcomings from the Black Maps white 0:01:02.813 --> 0:01:06.133 ball Game, one of the enviewable white ball records of 0:01:06.173 --> 0:01:09.853 the major nations without the title, but consistency through fifty 0:01:09.933 --> 0:01:13.493 over and t tweety. Cricket has contributed to semi finals, 0:01:13.533 --> 0:01:17.333 but no titles. Are we centaly for mediocrity and performance 0:01:17.533 --> 0:01:21.653 and results. Our bigger review is needed from New Zealand cricket. 0:01:21.773 --> 0:01:25.253 Well consolation wins achieved with the ruthlessness they should have been. 0:01:25.333 --> 0:01:29.813 Locky Ferguson achieved a personal milestone, wore overs four maidens 0:01:29.853 --> 0:01:33.693 three for none, but I wonder those matter to players 0:01:34.013 --> 0:01:37.973 in the team that have been below. Post match. What 0:01:38.173 --> 0:01:40.413 was Kane Williamson's overall reaction. 0:01:41.173 --> 0:01:43.693 It's just finish for us obviously. All having said that, 0:01:43.773 --> 0:01:45.173 I mean, it took a long time to start and 0:01:45.213 --> 0:01:47.933 then in a matter of days, you know, we were 0:01:47.973 --> 0:01:48.253 sort of. 0:01:48.453 --> 0:01:50.973 Not in contention, which was frustrating. We wanted to. 0:01:51.013 --> 0:01:54.453 Start the campaign strong and we went able to do that. 0:01:54.573 --> 0:01:57.973 You know, we played against a couple of very strong 0:01:58.093 --> 0:02:01.653 sides who are very well equipped in these conditions, and unfortunately, 0:02:02.413 --> 0:02:05.133 you know, it was the difference in our first two 0:02:05.213 --> 0:02:09.573 games and then some decent correct it in the last two. So, 0:02:09.853 --> 0:02:12.613 you know, all and all frustrating, but you know, I 0:02:12.653 --> 0:02:17.053 think the learnings for certainly players that have come back, 0:02:17.733 --> 0:02:19.573 you know, perhaps that as part of the world or 0:02:19.613 --> 0:02:23.973 in some of these conditions you know, have been somewhat challenging, 0:02:24.053 --> 0:02:26.453 and so some good experiences to have going forward. 0:02:26.773 --> 0:02:29.853 And the series ended with Trent Bolt deciding against any 0:02:29.933 --> 0:02:31.133 more ICC tournaments. 0:02:32.573 --> 0:02:37.933 Been an amazing servant of our game, and like you mentioned, 0:02:38.013 --> 0:02:42.173 we've sort of grown up playing together from age group cricket. 0:02:41.973 --> 0:02:44.253 You know, the ages of sort of ten to eleven and. 0:02:45.733 --> 0:02:48.853 Really followed a similar path and what he's been able 0:02:48.933 --> 0:02:51.373 to do in the game, not just for New Zealand, 0:02:51.453 --> 0:02:55.973 but but really recognition from all around the world, a 0:02:56.053 --> 0:03:00.573 skill set, a strong desire to to keep getting better 0:03:00.733 --> 0:03:02.933 and you know, to be at the stage of his 0:03:03.053 --> 0:03:06.293 career that he is at the moment still still bowling, beautifully, 0:03:06.813 --> 0:03:09.933 still fitting strong as a as a testament do all 0:03:09.973 --> 0:03:13.893 the work that he's put in, and you know from 0:03:14.013 --> 0:03:17.973 us and the intersect, and he's always brought a great energy, 0:03:18.733 --> 0:03:21.733 a real willingness to compete and you know, a big 0:03:21.813 --> 0:03:25.013 player for us that's difficult to replace. But I think 0:03:25.053 --> 0:03:29.413 when somebody puts the time that he has into the 0:03:29.493 --> 0:03:32.733 Black Cap and the effort he's put in his country, 0:03:32.973 --> 0:03:35.813 you know, it paves the way for new players to 0:03:35.893 --> 0:03:36.573 come through and. 0:03:37.133 --> 0:03:38.493 See a standard that's been set. 0:03:38.773 --> 0:03:40.173 And I think he can be really proud of that. 0:03:41.293 --> 0:03:44.133 Yeah, most definitely Trent Bolt will be proud of what 0:03:44.253 --> 0:03:48.413 he's achieved and is it the end for him? Joining 0:03:48.653 --> 0:03:51.933 Jeremy Cony and I this morning is cricket writer and 0:03:52.013 --> 0:03:58.813 broadcaster Andrew Allerton and all this disappointing in this world 0:03:58.893 --> 0:04:01.733 T twenty. I suppose we can console ourselves with the 0:04:01.813 --> 0:04:05.693 fact that it was only t twenty. But the end 0:04:06.573 --> 0:04:09.653 is nigh for Trent Bowl. He's had a pretty good career. 0:04:10.373 --> 0:04:13.293 I think he's one of our great What's if you 0:04:13.333 --> 0:04:15.453 look back at what he's been able to achieve over 0:04:15.533 --> 0:04:18.693 the course of what debuting in the Hobart and that 0:04:18.893 --> 0:04:21.333 victory against Australia which seems a long time ago now 0:04:21.333 --> 0:04:24.293 I guess twenty eleven. But what he's done over those 0:04:24.413 --> 0:04:28.013 last thirteen years or so coming up thirteen years has 0:04:28.133 --> 0:04:29.253 been outstanding. 0:04:30.093 --> 0:04:33.533 The retirement doesn't seem clear cut at this stage. 0:04:33.733 --> 0:04:38.373 He suggested that the last p twenty World Cup, with 0:04:38.493 --> 0:04:40.773 the next one day World Cup being in twenty twenty 0:04:40.813 --> 0:04:41.653 seven for fifty over. 0:04:41.693 --> 0:04:43.813 You think that's a bridge too far. 0:04:44.333 --> 0:04:46.373 And the fact that he wasn't packed for those Australian 0:04:46.453 --> 0:04:50.333 tests over some of the spider availability would suggest that 0:04:50.493 --> 0:04:52.613 he's not going to add to those seventy eight tests 0:04:52.933 --> 0:04:58.453 in his career. So yeah, a remarkable competitor and just 0:04:58.693 --> 0:05:00.853 very seldom played a dead game. I think, you know, 0:05:01.013 --> 0:05:04.533 as Williamson tested to the consistency that he was able 0:05:04.573 --> 0:05:07.373 to bring over that period of time is really what 0:05:07.613 --> 0:05:10.093 has made this a golden era in many respects. 0:05:11.253 --> 0:05:14.813 Yeah, Jerry at thirty four, and you know, at a 0:05:14.853 --> 0:05:16.933 stage of his career and what he's achieved so far, 0:05:17.253 --> 0:05:19.413 I guess he earns the right to decide how he 0:05:19.813 --> 0:05:23.173 finishes off his playing days and looks after his body. 0:05:23.293 --> 0:05:26.173 And I suppose the superannuation package he wants to put 0:05:26.173 --> 0:05:27.093 together for his family. 0:05:27.213 --> 0:05:30.973 Of course, he does high older than Wadds. Yeah, Look, 0:05:31.013 --> 0:05:34.173 he's been a great athlete, hasn't. He obviously worked hard 0:05:34.253 --> 0:05:38.853 on that. No more t twenty now, he says, as 0:05:39.093 --> 0:05:41.573 old as has just mentioned. He doesn't play tests now, 0:05:42.293 --> 0:05:44.813 So it does look as though it could be the end, 0:05:44.893 --> 0:05:46.493 doesn't it. But he's been at the top of all 0:05:46.653 --> 0:05:49.773 three formats. It took a bit of time to get 0:05:49.813 --> 0:05:51.733 into the white ball stuff for him, didn't it. But 0:05:52.333 --> 0:05:54.493 man a left arm, But what a sort of a 0:05:54.653 --> 0:05:58.093 goal that is nowadays. You know he brought it back 0:05:58.133 --> 0:06:00.453 and ran it across site. You know he helped the 0:06:00.493 --> 0:06:03.413 off spinner at the other end with his footmarks and 0:06:03.533 --> 0:06:06.733 so on. At his peak, which I guess was in 0:06:06.813 --> 0:06:12.013 the middle of the nine twenty tens, he had genuine pace. Two, 0:06:12.093 --> 0:06:15.893 had a bouncer, good bouncer, put people and kept them back. 0:06:16.413 --> 0:06:19.213 But for me, just a vibrant mover in the park, 0:06:19.933 --> 0:06:24.013 smile on his face. Looked a good team man, didn't he. 0:06:24.413 --> 0:06:26.653 You know, I suppose you got to mention Sally. Those 0:06:26.653 --> 0:06:31.013 two words just go together, my pepper and salt, and 0:06:31.613 --> 0:06:34.453 on all New Zealand surfaces with a breeze coming across 0:06:34.533 --> 0:06:36.173 the ground, they could take advantage of. 0:06:36.773 --> 0:06:40.453 You know, he added skills. He'll always kept them, proving. 0:06:40.573 --> 0:06:42.373 That was the feeling. I got to wads. 0:06:42.813 --> 0:06:45.733 You know, he just began with the new ball and 0:06:45.853 --> 0:06:48.853 swung it and then ran it across, as I say, 0:06:48.973 --> 0:06:50.813 And then you'd go round the wicket in the middle 0:06:50.853 --> 0:06:53.773 overs of a T twenty match and target the stumps. 0:06:54.653 --> 0:06:55.413 He bowled cut. 0:06:55.693 --> 0:06:59.013 He learnt to bowl a knuckleball, so he adapted, I 0:06:59.093 --> 0:07:02.293 suppose to the game. And that's Those are the things 0:07:02.333 --> 0:07:06.573 I'll remember, all phased bowler and you know, just a 0:07:06.653 --> 0:07:09.253 reliable pair of hands. I loved watch him bat watch, 0:07:09.973 --> 0:07:15.693 loved watching him bat entertainer. Such an eccentric dixit exactly 0:07:15.933 --> 0:07:19.493 so good fun to watch him and a great team man. 0:07:20.173 --> 0:07:22.973 Yeah, hard to replace orders. We've lost the Neil Wagner 0:07:23.093 --> 0:07:26.853 left armor. Ben Lister seems to be the only one 0:07:27.053 --> 0:07:30.053 on the horizon still establishing himself as a player and 0:07:30.373 --> 0:07:32.133 you know, not having a left anna. When you look 0:07:32.133 --> 0:07:34.933 around the world, every side's got one, haven't they. 0:07:35.253 --> 0:07:37.573 They have, and it's any side that's still that's worth 0:07:37.613 --> 0:07:37.933 their soul. 0:07:37.973 --> 0:07:40.493 And I just think that, Yeah, we're going to look 0:07:40.533 --> 0:07:43.413 back on Bolt's career with a lot of favor and 0:07:43.413 --> 0:07:45.453 a lot of and like Jeremy mentions, I mean, it's 0:07:45.453 --> 0:07:47.693 hard to go. You had that sort of double helix 0:07:47.773 --> 0:07:51.573 combination with Tim Sow the whole time throughout, which which 0:07:51.693 --> 0:07:55.613 really helped under any conditions, and you added new wagers 0:07:55.653 --> 0:07:58.493 of that and even Carle Jamison in recent years with 0:07:58.573 --> 0:08:03.173 the test lineups. But yeah, it's just it leaves a 0:08:03.333 --> 0:08:06.613 void of vacuum and I guess that's how you come 0:08:06.693 --> 0:08:09.333 to appreciate the greats of the when they do go 0:08:09.613 --> 0:08:11.093 in that regard and to be able to I think 0:08:11.133 --> 0:08:14.653 he probably brought a lot too, you know, that consistent 0:08:14.853 --> 0:08:17.733 learning and bringing that to that New Zealand environment as well. 0:08:17.773 --> 0:08:20.853 What you can pick up from say the IPL you know, 0:08:20.933 --> 0:08:24.093 playing around the world even in his earlier years, and 0:08:24.133 --> 0:08:26.853 then taking that back into the New Zealand environment. 0:08:26.973 --> 0:08:28.813 It must have helped as well as the number of 0:08:28.853 --> 0:08:29.733 those players have done. 0:08:29.853 --> 0:08:32.653 But I just think that, yeah, eventually he made that 0:08:32.733 --> 0:08:35.053 decision he wanted to opt out of the central contract 0:08:35.133 --> 0:08:37.893 and the consequences that seem to come with that that 0:08:37.973 --> 0:08:40.333 you don't get the same international opportunities. 0:08:41.053 --> 0:08:44.693 But he certainly played a part in New Zealand cricket history. 0:08:45.253 --> 0:08:49.733 Yeah, that's an interesting point, Olders. It sort of ray 0:08:50.173 --> 0:08:52.933 on my mind as you were saying that you mentioned contracts. 0:08:53.053 --> 0:08:56.453 Do we now have to start thinking of our particularly 0:08:56.533 --> 0:08:58.693 our T twenty part of our game? 0:09:00.013 --> 0:09:01.813 When you look at it, we've got well, I don't 0:09:01.813 --> 0:09:02.733 know if you know what it's called. 0:09:02.733 --> 0:09:07.613 It changes its name every year, but that domestic game 0:09:07.693 --> 0:09:10.293 where the the black Caps don't really play. 0:09:11.173 --> 0:09:13.173 We don't have a franchise game here. 0:09:13.213 --> 0:09:17.333 We were tracting overseas players for a T twenty component 0:09:17.453 --> 0:09:21.853 of our season. Should we allow some of our players 0:09:22.813 --> 0:09:27.333 to perhaps pop away and play some of those and 0:09:27.453 --> 0:09:31.013 get and rub shoulders in franchise games if they can 0:09:31.693 --> 0:09:35.133 be selected in that level. At that level, the seers, 0:09:35.413 --> 0:09:38.093 you know, the Bracewell, the Niche, those kinds have played 0:09:38.133 --> 0:09:39.173 the Clarkson's now. 0:09:40.733 --> 0:09:41.893 So that's just a. 0:09:41.933 --> 0:09:45.733 Little thought to throw at you guys what you feel 0:09:45.773 --> 0:09:50.293 about that. I know it would weaken an already weak 0:09:50.413 --> 0:09:55.493 competition actually, but it might be the way to go 0:09:56.013 --> 0:09:59.533 and get more of the bolt effect if you like 0:09:59.693 --> 0:10:02.093 coming into the New Zealand side. 0:10:02.933 --> 0:10:05.613 I used to testing a bit like a getto type 0:10:05.653 --> 0:10:08.213 more with the Rugby Jerry, when you've played enough game 0:10:08.413 --> 0:10:09.973 that you can come back in and not really have 0:10:10.053 --> 0:10:12.373 to worry about the contract system. 0:10:13.613 --> 0:10:18.333 I'm just thinking of the T twenties, but in particular that, 0:10:19.173 --> 0:10:21.813 and that's where the franchise. Obviously all the operations are 0:10:21.853 --> 0:10:23.533 involved around anyway, It's only. 0:10:23.453 --> 0:10:24.453 That format, isn't it. 0:10:24.773 --> 0:10:27.773 And so perhaps at that time of the year, maybe 0:10:27.893 --> 0:10:31.853 we could get one of our better place, say Robinson, 0:10:32.253 --> 0:10:34.053 and send him to try and get him into the 0:10:34.053 --> 0:10:38.573 Big Bash or something like that, which has played alongside ours, 0:10:39.333 --> 0:10:42.573 and perhaps he could start to develop, because I'm not 0:10:42.653 --> 0:10:44.773 sure how much is he going to develop by staying 0:10:44.813 --> 0:10:47.493 in New Zealand, and we might get a better product 0:10:48.373 --> 0:10:51.653 and a player because of that. Now, whether we are 0:10:51.773 --> 0:10:54.853 just saying will our contract system allow. 0:10:54.653 --> 0:10:57.413 That or do we need to look at it, there 0:10:57.453 --> 0:11:00.373 was certainly thematical change the way things are going at 0:11:00.413 --> 0:11:03.733 the moment isn't it, Because you're right, it would further 0:11:03.853 --> 0:11:07.333 weaken our competition. You know, there has been suggestions that 0:11:07.413 --> 0:11:11.573 perhaps we put a team in the Big Bash of 0:11:11.733 --> 0:11:15.733 our T twenty players that would then take something away 0:11:15.853 --> 0:11:20.693 from our Dream eleven Super Smash. But you know, they've 0:11:20.733 --> 0:11:23.053 got to start and do something a little bit different 0:11:23.093 --> 0:11:28.453 in terms of the development, because while we have been competitive, 0:11:28.493 --> 0:11:30.053 we were number one in the world at T twenty 0:11:30.093 --> 0:11:32.013 for a period of time. Recently, weren't we a few 0:11:32.093 --> 0:11:35.653 years back? And you know, we are slipping in the 0:11:35.733 --> 0:11:39.253 game that supposedly the world is asking. 0:11:39.053 --> 0:11:43.253 For, and also with our franchise system, and players are 0:11:43.333 --> 0:11:46.253 being I guess sought in all these other environments and 0:11:46.293 --> 0:11:50.133 it's pretty hard I meantioned to turn down the financial 0:11:50.253 --> 0:11:52.613 benefits of that long too, if you're looking at your 0:11:52.653 --> 0:11:53.893 career and you know the fact that it can be 0:11:53.973 --> 0:11:57.133 over in a moment if you have a significant injury 0:11:57.253 --> 0:11:59.853 or something of that nature that they want to be 0:11:59.933 --> 0:12:03.333 cashing in, and that's probably understandable. Albeit you know there 0:12:03.373 --> 0:12:05.973 are central contracts in play here, but the numbers that 0:12:06.013 --> 0:12:08.853 you're looking at, say in the IPL or Big Bath 0:12:09.173 --> 0:12:10.733 or even in England, et cetera. 0:12:11.053 --> 0:12:13.253 I think it's pretty pretty hard to turn down. 0:12:13.813 --> 0:12:16.453 Did that come up in a review, Jerry, they're obviously 0:12:16.493 --> 0:12:20.973 going to have to review this World T twenty issues 0:12:21.053 --> 0:12:24.173 like that come up. How seriously do they have to 0:12:24.293 --> 0:12:27.693 review and take this performance of the New Zealand side 0:12:28.053 --> 0:12:29.453 in the T twenty. 0:12:29.973 --> 0:12:34.293 Well, it's a normal procedure was to have a once 0:12:34.373 --> 0:12:37.933 ago overseas for any old tour that you will have 0:12:38.013 --> 0:12:43.213 a review of it. So that's part of procedure. But 0:12:43.453 --> 0:12:48.253 certainly I think for this one, because you know, we 0:12:48.373 --> 0:12:51.453 seem to just be a slightly different side and the 0:12:51.573 --> 0:12:54.053 things that have worked in the past and how we've 0:12:54.133 --> 0:13:00.693 built our legacy of solid performances in ICC tournaments, whatever 0:13:00.813 --> 0:13:05.093 the format, and we've never been overly flashy or powerful, 0:13:05.933 --> 0:13:08.773 but rather we've kind of played the condition and got 0:13:08.853 --> 0:13:13.093 to totals and then we've fielded determinedly and bold solidly. 0:13:13.733 --> 0:13:15.853 That's been the history of our performance. 0:13:16.653 --> 0:13:20.573 And so you know, we concentrate on being well prepared, 0:13:21.093 --> 0:13:27.493 brains overbrawn, organized and clear ideas put into practice with matches, 0:13:28.013 --> 0:13:29.613 and this time we didn't do that. 0:13:30.253 --> 0:13:32.773 So and then you allie that. 0:13:34.253 --> 0:13:37.093 With the fact that we had quite a difficult draw 0:13:37.213 --> 0:13:42.333 playing two stronger teams in tricky conditions. 0:13:43.413 --> 0:13:44.253 Right at the start. 0:13:44.933 --> 0:13:48.053 But we've known that, haven't we We knew for months 0:13:48.933 --> 0:13:51.733 we were having this, and so I just feel a 0:13:51.773 --> 0:13:55.853 bit disappointed that we didn't use our normal procedures. Yes, 0:13:56.013 --> 0:14:00.533 I understand about ipl and coming back home at different times, 0:14:00.693 --> 0:14:03.813 arriving in DIBs and dobbs, you know, and all those 0:14:03.933 --> 0:14:07.213 kinds of things, but that's just working things out and 0:14:07.333 --> 0:14:11.133 working it through, and I think frankly, they should have 0:14:11.213 --> 0:14:14.733 been there earlier. It is as simple as that, get 0:14:14.813 --> 0:14:19.213 there earlier and plays. You could see over the tournament 0:14:19.533 --> 0:14:23.653 how New Zealand improved over the four games. Suddenly william 0:14:23.893 --> 0:14:27.653 especially our batsmen, you know, Conway, started to play drives 0:14:27.773 --> 0:14:32.533 again down the ground through the covers, Williamson not fiddling around, 0:14:33.013 --> 0:14:35.853 slip and so on with little cuts. Suddenly he was 0:14:35.893 --> 0:14:36.333 playing his. 0:14:36.453 --> 0:14:39.173 Normal way again. And that was just in three or 0:14:39.213 --> 0:14:39.893 four games. 0:14:40.613 --> 0:14:44.133 So if we had had some matches beforehand, I think 0:14:44.213 --> 0:14:45.893 we had a much better chance, and. 0:14:46.053 --> 0:14:48.453 That's why the review should be needed. 0:14:50.133 --> 0:14:53.213 I think our selections, we didn't really know our best 0:14:53.413 --> 0:14:56.613 side was another issue. Three changes a hell of a 0:14:56.693 --> 0:15:00.253 lot from after one game to go to the second match, 0:15:00.853 --> 0:15:06.293 so yeah, it's just a question of what decisions were 0:15:06.413 --> 0:15:10.813 made and who is sponsible. Who's accountable for that have 0:15:10.933 --> 0:15:12.453 to be the coach, wasn't it oldest? 0:15:13.253 --> 0:15:15.213 Yes, it would, and I think too that you know, 0:15:15.453 --> 0:15:17.493 I just concur with what you're saying there to me. 0:15:17.533 --> 0:15:20.893 I mean, I don't think drastic change is needed here. 0:15:20.933 --> 0:15:22.373 I mean, I think you know that the last what 0:15:22.613 --> 0:15:26.173 six white ball tournaments they've reached the semi finals or better, 0:15:26.413 --> 0:15:28.213 either fifty over or twenty over. 0:15:28.693 --> 0:15:31.253 But it was the seeming lack of preparation. 0:15:31.453 --> 0:15:33.133 I mean that you mentioned about the warm up games 0:15:33.213 --> 0:15:35.813 for sure, I think they didn't even train under lights 0:15:35.893 --> 0:15:39.373 that much in the build up in Guyana. You also 0:15:39.493 --> 0:15:41.813 had It's one thing to be training with sides in 0:15:41.893 --> 0:15:45.333 the IPL, but not having played regularly in that period 0:15:45.373 --> 0:15:48.373 as well probably hurt their chances. So you didn't offer 0:15:48.453 --> 0:15:52.293 a place in the first game when he'd been just 0:15:52.373 --> 0:15:54.653 come off of fifty in the IPL in his last 0:15:54.773 --> 0:15:57.573 game and had been match ready, if you like, match 0:15:57.613 --> 0:15:59.813 for a lot to be said for that. So I 0:15:59.973 --> 0:16:02.333 think on this occasion that there will need to be 0:16:03.453 --> 0:16:05.853 you know, the microscope put over this some serious scrutiny 0:16:05.853 --> 0:16:08.133 as to how they go about looking a here, well, 0:16:08.533 --> 0:16:12.013 it starts with the champions trophy next February in Pakistan, 0:16:12.733 --> 0:16:16.413 but then beyond that to further whiteball tournaments. I think 0:16:16.493 --> 0:16:18.373 to just just on the ground. I mean, I know 0:16:18.573 --> 0:16:20.613 just how you guys feel with the with the in 0:16:20.693 --> 0:16:23.813 the circles you work in. But I just detected apathy 0:16:23.933 --> 0:16:26.653 to more apathy than ever in the past, and you're 0:16:26.653 --> 0:16:30.253 certainly in the last decade among fans just around the 0:16:30.293 --> 0:16:33.173 water cooler or just you know, a general chat about 0:16:33.293 --> 0:16:35.853 the New Zealand team and just even playing in this 0:16:36.013 --> 0:16:40.253 T twenties tournament. Whether it's the time zone or something 0:16:40.333 --> 0:16:43.053 like that, it just wasn't the level of interest, or 0:16:43.053 --> 0:16:47.213 maybe it's just overkill or this the saturation with these 0:16:47.213 --> 0:16:50.533 global tournaments. Just in the catch up from COVID et cetera, 0:16:51.533 --> 0:16:53.413 I just didn't feel like there was the normal interest 0:16:53.453 --> 0:16:56.333 there would be around a global tournament, at least on 0:16:56.453 --> 0:16:57.293 New Zealand shores. 0:16:58.413 --> 0:17:01.813 What about the conditions they played in all this? I 0:17:01.973 --> 0:17:05.053 heard you at one stage not overly happy with the 0:17:06.173 --> 0:17:10.253 fact that they were taking it to the America, if 0:17:10.333 --> 0:17:13.533 I if I read your comments correctly, And also the 0:17:14.253 --> 0:17:18.653 quality of the pictures have they even up the contest 0:17:18.733 --> 0:17:21.373 between bat and ball because they've been a lot of 0:17:21.453 --> 0:17:26.493 tight games with some very good sides being stretched. And 0:17:27.333 --> 0:17:30.413 it's a slightly different scenario as I think we talked 0:17:30.413 --> 0:17:32.253 about last week, Jerry, between that. 0:17:32.413 --> 0:17:35.053 And say the I p l yeah act, see, I 0:17:35.133 --> 0:17:37.533 came to quite like the fact that I'd like the 0:17:37.613 --> 0:17:39.493 bowler is getting one back. Actually, most of the time 0:17:39.493 --> 0:17:43.013 I thought that the pitch in New York seemed to 0:17:43.093 --> 0:17:44.693 be a bit hesitant though, or it was a bit 0:17:45.373 --> 0:17:48.693 there wasn't any surety really for the batters and net scenario. 0:17:48.693 --> 0:17:50.693 Although having said that that probably you know, you get 0:17:50.733 --> 0:17:54.053 your best performers to come out of that who can 0:17:54.093 --> 0:17:57.213 adapt to the conditions. I do wonder whether it's been 0:17:57.253 --> 0:18:00.373 it's almost been forced into America at some start, you know, 0:18:00.733 --> 0:18:03.533 over the course of a few years, where they're trying 0:18:03.573 --> 0:18:04.973 and they're coming off the back of this. 0:18:05.093 --> 0:18:06.693 They've got the MLC, Major. 0:18:06.573 --> 0:18:10.253 League Cricket trying to build into the American market, I guess, 0:18:10.293 --> 0:18:13.093 to take on baseball and some of those other sports 0:18:13.133 --> 0:18:15.213 and the like, and of course with the Olympics on 0:18:15.333 --> 0:18:20.573 the horizon, so it's just yeah, they're definitely trying to 0:18:20.653 --> 0:18:23.813 get in there, But I just wondered if when in 0:18:23.933 --> 0:18:28.173 New York was offering the best experience there. From what 0:18:28.253 --> 0:18:30.333 I understand, there were some other pictures that might have 0:18:30.453 --> 0:18:33.533 been available at one days, but they opted for the 0:18:33.653 --> 0:18:38.293 South Australian curated to develop his which probably didn't have 0:18:38.613 --> 0:18:40.253 you know, I mean they're playing on something a lot 0:18:40.293 --> 0:18:42.413 different to what they're used to, just say, in the IPL. 0:18:43.213 --> 0:18:46.213 So yeah, there was I guess some work to do there, 0:18:46.293 --> 0:18:49.333 but yeah, there's definitely a directive to try and get 0:18:49.373 --> 0:18:50.893 into that American market for sure. 0:18:51.653 --> 0:18:54.093 Look, if we're going to have a go at pictures 0:18:54.173 --> 0:18:57.813 in the IPL, we're two hundred and eighty to three 0:18:57.933 --> 0:19:00.733 hundred is kind of being scored in the twenty over match. 0:19:02.413 --> 0:19:04.853 You've also got to have a close look, I think 0:19:04.893 --> 0:19:09.053 at that New York pitch wads, you know, where the 0:19:09.133 --> 0:19:12.613 average score was probably less than one hundred, you know, 0:19:12.773 --> 0:19:17.173 scores of seventy and things like that, and against decent sides. 0:19:17.973 --> 0:19:20.333 So it made for some teams. I mean, India had 0:19:20.373 --> 0:19:22.613 the worst of the conditions. All their games were in 0:19:23.333 --> 0:19:28.013 New York. South Africa had three games there and they 0:19:28.453 --> 0:19:34.333 just sneaked through. I thought that, you know, pictures, whatever 0:19:34.453 --> 0:19:35.013 you call them. 0:19:35.653 --> 0:19:36.893 It just have to be even. 0:19:37.773 --> 0:19:40.733 And when balls are pitching in a similar area, they 0:19:40.853 --> 0:19:46.293 need to react similarly. Some at knee high, some rear 0:19:46.413 --> 0:19:49.213 at your head and your shoulder and your chest. From 0:19:49.413 --> 0:19:53.573 very close proximity on the surface of the pitch, you 0:19:53.733 --> 0:19:56.893 just you really can't play the ball at all. 0:19:57.613 --> 0:19:59.653 And while it was, they were. 0:19:59.613 --> 0:20:03.813 Close games, and for the casual fan going along from 0:20:03.853 --> 0:20:06.813 America might have drawn them in a bit, but they 0:20:06.893 --> 0:20:10.573 got lucky in that case was accidental. Those games were entertaining. 0:20:11.013 --> 0:20:13.653 That's not the point. The point really is there were 0:20:13.693 --> 0:20:16.893 no decent shots played. The ICC have had two to 0:20:16.973 --> 0:20:19.973 three years to sort that pitch out. They left it 0:20:20.093 --> 0:20:22.773 too late. The pitch has to be in the ground 0:20:22.813 --> 0:20:24.813 for a couple of years and rolled and let it 0:20:24.893 --> 0:20:28.053 get set in the ground, and then you bowl a 0:20:28.133 --> 0:20:30.933 few balls on it, then you check it out, and 0:20:30.973 --> 0:20:33.133 then you roll it again and you'd you know, you 0:20:33.293 --> 0:20:33.813 work on it. 0:20:34.213 --> 0:20:35.373 They they left it there. 0:20:35.373 --> 0:20:38.093 It went in in April, so it was only a 0:20:38.173 --> 0:20:42.613 month or so in the ground, so to lift it 0:20:42.693 --> 0:20:45.413 too long. It was their centerpiece of the whole tournament 0:20:46.213 --> 0:20:49.933 that you know, going to New York. So I'm afraid 0:20:50.893 --> 0:20:53.413 it looked dangerous to me. I watched a couple of games. 0:20:53.453 --> 0:20:55.813 I saw the guy was it the guy TechEd her. 0:20:55.893 --> 0:20:58.213 I don't know whether you harry Tech. The got it 0:20:58.413 --> 0:21:01.813 from the head, Yeah, got hit in the head, old 0:21:01.853 --> 0:21:04.493 row At Sharma was hitting the shoulder. They were lucky 0:21:04.573 --> 0:21:08.253 there was no real injury. That's what I'm saying. Trying 0:21:08.413 --> 0:21:11.333 to face Nokia on that sort of with that pace, 0:21:11.813 --> 0:21:15.213 it was dangerous that pitch. It got a little bit 0:21:15.253 --> 0:21:17.773 better throughout the tournament, but it was dangerous early on. 0:21:18.773 --> 0:21:23.733 Yeah, interesting outcome from this tournament. Looking ahead to the 0:21:24.853 --> 0:21:28.453 Super eights that are coming up orders India, Australia, Afghanistan 0:21:28.533 --> 0:21:33.173 and Bangladesh in one, US, England, West Indies and South 0:21:33.213 --> 0:21:37.493 Africa in the other. How do we see it shaping 0:21:37.573 --> 0:21:39.493 now one of those groups. I think group one is 0:21:39.533 --> 0:21:41.733 probably tougher than Group two to my way of thinking. 0:21:42.773 --> 0:21:43.213 Do you see it? 0:21:44.173 --> 0:21:45.533 I was thinking, if you wanted to be in a 0:21:45.573 --> 0:21:47.293 group there, you definitely want to be in group two, 0:21:47.573 --> 0:21:49.213 that's for sure. Yeah. 0:21:50.093 --> 0:21:52.613 Well yeah, England, you know they had that radar with 0:21:52.733 --> 0:21:53.493 that with Scotland. 0:21:53.933 --> 0:21:57.613 But now with every chance to get through Feathers to 0:21:57.653 --> 0:22:00.733 the last four and beyond, West and He's given themself 0:22:00.733 --> 0:22:02.813