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Speaker 2: But it doesn't hide the fact that this World t
Speaker 2: twenty exposed some major shortcomings from the Black Maps white
Speaker 2: ball Game, one of the enviewable white ball records of
Speaker 2: the major nations without the title, but consistency through fifty
Speaker 2: over and t tweety. Cricket has contributed to semi finals,
Speaker 2: but no titles. Are we centaly for mediocrity and performance
Speaker 2: and results. Our bigger review is needed from New Zealand cricket.
Speaker 2: Well consolation wins achieved with the ruthlessness they should have been.
Speaker 2: Locky Ferguson achieved a personal milestone, wore overs four maidens
Speaker 2: three for none, but I wonder those matter to players
Speaker 2: in the team that have been below. Post match. What
Speaker 2: was Kane Williamson's overall reaction.
Speaker 4: It's just finish for us obviously. All having said that,
Speaker 4: I mean, it took a long time to start and
Speaker 4: then in a matter of days, you know, we were
Speaker 4: sort of.
Speaker 2: Not in contention, which was frustrating. We wanted to.
Speaker 4: Start the campaign strong and we went able to do that.
Speaker 4: You know, we played against a couple of very strong
Speaker 4: sides who are very well equipped in these conditions, and unfortunately,
Speaker 4: you know, it was the difference in our first two
Speaker 4: games and then some decent correct it in the last two. So,
Speaker 4: you know, all and all frustrating, but you know, I
Speaker 4: think the learnings for certainly players that have come back,
Speaker 4: you know, perhaps that as part of the world or
Speaker 4: in some of these conditions you know, have been somewhat challenging,
Speaker 4: and so some good experiences to have going forward.
Speaker 2: And the series ended with Trent Bolt deciding against any
Speaker 2: more ICC tournaments.
Speaker 4: Been an amazing servant of our game, and like you mentioned,
Speaker 4: we've sort of grown up playing together from age group cricket.
Speaker 2: You know, the ages of sort of ten to eleven and.
Speaker 4: Really followed a similar path and what he's been able
Speaker 4: to do in the game, not just for New Zealand,
Speaker 4: but but really recognition from all around the world, a
Speaker 4: skill set, a strong desire to to keep getting better
Speaker 4: and you know, to be at the stage of his
Speaker 4: career that he is at the moment still still bowling, beautifully,
Speaker 4: still fitting strong as a as a testament do all
Speaker 4: the work that he's put in, and you know from
Speaker 4: us and the intersect, and he's always brought a great energy,
Speaker 4: a real willingness to compete and you know, a big
Speaker 4: player for us that's difficult to replace. But I think
Speaker 4: when somebody puts the time that he has into the
Speaker 4: Black Cap and the effort he's put in his country,
Speaker 4: you know, it paves the way for new players to
Speaker 4: come through and.
Speaker 2: See a standard that's been set.
Speaker 4: And I think he can be really proud of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely Trent Bolt will be proud of what
Speaker 2: he's achieved and is it the end for him? Joining
Speaker 2: Jeremy Cony and I this morning is cricket writer and
Speaker 2: broadcaster Andrew Allerton and all this disappointing in this world
Speaker 2: T twenty. I suppose we can console ourselves with the
Speaker 2: fact that it was only t twenty. But the end
Speaker 2: is nigh for Trent Bowl. He's had a pretty good career.
Speaker 5: I think he's one of our great What's if you
Speaker 5: look back at what he's been able to achieve over
Speaker 5: the course of what debuting in the Hobart and that
Speaker 5: victory against Australia which seems a long time ago now
Speaker 5: I guess twenty eleven. But what he's done over those
Speaker 5: last thirteen years or so coming up thirteen years has
Speaker 5: been outstanding.
Speaker 6: The retirement doesn't seem clear cut at this stage.
Speaker 5: He suggested that the last p twenty World Cup, with
Speaker 5: the next one day World Cup being in twenty twenty
Speaker 5: seven for fifty over.
Speaker 6: You think that's a bridge too far.
Speaker 5: And the fact that he wasn't packed for those Australian
Speaker 5: tests over some of the spider availability would suggest that
Speaker 5: he's not going to add to those seventy eight tests
Speaker 5: in his career. So yeah, a remarkable competitor and just
Speaker 5: very seldom played a dead game. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: as Williamson tested to the consistency that he was able
Speaker 5: to bring over that period of time is really what
Speaker 5: has made this a golden era in many respects.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerry at thirty four, and you know, at a
Speaker 2: stage of his career and what he's achieved so far,
Speaker 2: I guess he earns the right to decide how he
Speaker 2: finishes off his playing days and looks after his body.
Speaker 2: And I suppose the superannuation package he wants to put
Speaker 2: together for his family.
Speaker 7: Of course, he does high older than Wadds. Yeah, Look,
Speaker 7: he's been a great athlete, hasn't. He obviously worked hard
Speaker 7: on that. No more t twenty now, he says, as
Speaker 7: old as has just mentioned. He doesn't play tests now,
Speaker 7: So it does look as though it could be the end,
Speaker 7: doesn't it. But he's been at the top of all
Speaker 7: three formats. It took a bit of time to get
Speaker 7: into the white ball stuff for him, didn't it. But
Speaker 7: man a left arm, But what a sort of a
Speaker 7: goal that is nowadays. You know he brought it back
Speaker 7: and ran it across site. You know he helped the
Speaker 7: off spinner at the other end with his footmarks and
Speaker 7: so on. At his peak, which I guess was in
Speaker 7: the middle of the nine twenty tens, he had genuine pace. Two,
Speaker 7: had a bouncer, good bouncer, put people and kept them back.
Speaker 7: But for me, just a vibrant mover in the park,
Speaker 7: smile on his face. Looked a good team man, didn't he.
Speaker 7: You know, I suppose you got to mention Sally. Those
Speaker 7: two words just go together, my pepper and salt, and
Speaker 7: on all New Zealand surfaces with a breeze coming across
Speaker 7: the ground, they could take advantage of.
Speaker 3: You know, he added skills. He'll always kept them, proving.
Speaker 3: That was the feeling. I got to wads.
Speaker 7: You know, he just began with the new ball and
Speaker 7: swung it and then ran it across, as I say,
Speaker 7: And then you'd go round the wicket in the middle
Speaker 7: overs of a T twenty match and target the stumps.
Speaker 3: He bowled cut.
Speaker 7: He learnt to bowl a knuckleball, so he adapted, I
Speaker 7: suppose to the game. And that's Those are the things
Speaker 7: I'll remember, all phased bowler and you know, just a
Speaker 7: reliable pair of hands. I loved watch him bat watch,
Speaker 7: loved watching him bat entertainer. Such an eccentric dixit exactly
Speaker 7: so good fun to watch him and a great team man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hard to replace orders. We've lost the Neil Wagner
Speaker 2: left armor. Ben Lister seems to be the only one
Speaker 2: on the horizon still establishing himself as a player and
Speaker 2: you know, not having a left anna. When you look
Speaker 2: around the world, every side's got one, haven't they.
Speaker 6: They have, and it's any side that's still that's worth
Speaker 6: their soul.
Speaker 5: And I just think that, Yeah, we're going to look
Speaker 5: back on Bolt's career with a lot of favor and
Speaker 5: a lot of and like Jeremy mentions, I mean, it's
Speaker 5: hard to go. You had that sort of double helix
Speaker 5: combination with Tim Sow the whole time throughout, which which
Speaker 5: really helped under any conditions, and you added new wagers
Speaker 5: of that and even Carle Jamison in recent years with
Speaker 5: the test lineups. But yeah, it's just it leaves a
Speaker 5: void of vacuum and I guess that's how you come
Speaker 5: to appreciate the greats of the when they do go
Speaker 5: in that regard and to be able to I think
Speaker 5: he probably brought a lot too, you know, that consistent
Speaker 5: learning and bringing that to that New Zealand environment as well.
Speaker 5: What you can pick up from say the IPL you know,
Speaker 5: playing around the world even in his earlier years, and
Speaker 5: then taking that back into the New Zealand environment.
Speaker 6: It must have helped as well as the number of
Speaker 6: those players have done.
Speaker 5: But I just think that, yeah, eventually he made that
Speaker 5: decision he wanted to opt out of the central contract
Speaker 5: and the consequences that seem to come with that that
Speaker 5: you don't get the same international opportunities.
Speaker 6: But he certainly played a part in New Zealand cricket history.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's an interesting point, Olders. It sort of ray
Speaker 7: on my mind as you were saying that you mentioned contracts.
Speaker 7: Do we now have to start thinking of our particularly
Speaker 7: our T twenty part of our game?
Speaker 3: When you look at it, we've got well, I don't
Speaker 3: know if you know what it's called.
Speaker 7: It changes its name every year, but that domestic game
Speaker 7: where the the black Caps don't really play.
Speaker 3: We don't have a franchise game here.
Speaker 7: We were tracting overseas players for a T twenty component
Speaker 7: of our season. Should we allow some of our players
Speaker 7: to perhaps pop away and play some of those and
Speaker 7: get and rub shoulders in franchise games if they can
Speaker 7: be selected in that level. At that level, the seers,
Speaker 7: you know, the Bracewell, the Niche, those kinds have played
Speaker 7: the Clarkson's now.
Speaker 3: So that's just a.
Speaker 7: Little thought to throw at you guys what you feel
Speaker 7: about that. I know it would weaken an already weak
Speaker 7: competition actually, but it might be the way to go
Speaker 7: and get more of the bolt effect if you like
Speaker 7: coming into the New Zealand side.
Speaker 5: I used to testing a bit like a getto type
Speaker 5: more with the Rugby Jerry, when you've played enough game
Speaker 5: that you can come back in and not really have
Speaker 5: to worry about the contract system.
Speaker 7: I'm just thinking of the T twenties, but in particular that,
Speaker 7: and that's where the franchise. Obviously all the operations are
Speaker 7: involved around anyway, It's only.
Speaker 3: That format, isn't it.
Speaker 7: And so perhaps at that time of the year, maybe
Speaker 7: we could get one of our better place, say Robinson,
Speaker 7: and send him to try and get him into the
Speaker 7: Big Bash or something like that, which has played alongside ours,
Speaker 7: and perhaps he could start to develop, because I'm not
Speaker 7: sure how much is he going to develop by staying
Speaker 7: in New Zealand, and we might get a better product
Speaker 7: and a player because of that. Now, whether we are
Speaker 7: just saying will our contract system allow.
Speaker 2: That or do we need to look at it, there
Speaker 2: was certainly thematical change the way things are going at
Speaker 2: the moment isn't it, Because you're right, it would further
Speaker 2: weaken our competition. You know, there has been suggestions that
Speaker 2: perhaps we put a team in the Big Bash of
Speaker 2: our T twenty players that would then take something away
Speaker 2: from our Dream eleven Super Smash. But you know, they've
Speaker 2: got to start and do something a little bit different
Speaker 2: in terms of the development, because while we have been competitive,
Speaker 2: we were number one in the world at T twenty
Speaker 2: for a period of time. Recently, weren't we a few
Speaker 2: years back? And you know, we are slipping in the
Speaker 2: game that supposedly the world is asking.
Speaker 5: For, and also with our franchise system, and players are
Speaker 5: being I guess sought in all these other environments and
Speaker 5: it's pretty hard I meantioned to turn down the financial
Speaker 5: benefits of that long too, if you're looking at your
Speaker 5: career and you know the fact that it can be
Speaker 5: over in a moment if you have a significant injury
Speaker 5: or something of that nature that they want to be
Speaker 5: cashing in, and that's probably understandable. Albeit you know there
Speaker 5: are central contracts in play here, but the numbers that
Speaker 5: you're looking at, say in the IPL or Big Bath
Speaker 5: or even in England, et cetera.
Speaker 6: I think it's pretty pretty hard to turn down.
Speaker 2: Did that come up in a review, Jerry, they're obviously
Speaker 2: going to have to review this World T twenty issues
Speaker 2: like that come up. How seriously do they have to
Speaker 2: review and take this performance of the New Zealand side
Speaker 2: in the T twenty.
Speaker 7: Well, it's a normal procedure was to have a once
Speaker 7: ago overseas for any old tour that you will have
Speaker 7: a review of it. So that's part of procedure. But
Speaker 7: certainly I think for this one, because you know, we
Speaker 7: seem to just be a slightly different side and the
Speaker 7: things that have worked in the past and how we've
Speaker 7: built our legacy of solid performances in ICC tournaments, whatever
Speaker 7: the format, and we've never been overly flashy or powerful,
Speaker 7: but rather we've kind of played the condition and got
Speaker 7: to totals and then we've fielded determinedly and bold solidly.
Speaker 3: That's been the history of our performance.
Speaker 7: And so you know, we concentrate on being well prepared,
Speaker 7: brains overbrawn, organized and clear ideas put into practice with matches,
Speaker 7: and this time we didn't do that.
Speaker 3: So and then you allie that.
Speaker 7: With the fact that we had quite a difficult draw
Speaker 7: playing two stronger teams in tricky conditions.
Speaker 3: Right at the start.
Speaker 7: But we've known that, haven't we We knew for months
Speaker 7: we were having this, and so I just feel a
Speaker 7: bit disappointed that we didn't use our normal procedures. Yes,
Speaker 7: I understand about ipl and coming back home at different times,
Speaker 7: arriving in DIBs and dobbs, you know, and all those
Speaker 7: kinds of things, but that's just working things out and
Speaker 7: working it through, and I think frankly, they should have
Speaker 7: been there earlier. It is as simple as that, get
Speaker 7: there earlier and plays. You could see over the tournament
Speaker 7: how New Zealand improved over the four games. Suddenly william
Speaker 7: especially our batsmen, you know, Conway, started to play drives
Speaker 7: again down the ground through the covers, Williamson not fiddling around,
Speaker 7: slip and so on with little cuts. Suddenly he was
Speaker 7: playing his.
Speaker 3: Normal way again. And that was just in three or
Speaker 3: four games.
Speaker 7: So if we had had some matches beforehand, I think
Speaker 7: we had a much better chance, and.
Speaker 3: That's why the review should be needed.
Speaker 7: I think our selections, we didn't really know our best
Speaker 7: side was another issue. Three changes a hell of a
Speaker 7: lot from after one game to go to the second match,
Speaker 7: so yeah, it's just a question of what decisions were
Speaker 7: made and who is sponsible. Who's accountable for that have
Speaker 7: to be the coach, wasn't it oldest?
Speaker 5: Yes, it would, and I think too that you know,
Speaker 5: I just concur with what you're saying there to me.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think drastic change is needed here.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think you know that the last what
Speaker 5: six white ball tournaments they've reached the semi finals or better,
Speaker 5: either fifty over or twenty over.
Speaker 6: But it was the seeming lack of preparation.
Speaker 5: I mean that you mentioned about the warm up games
Speaker 5: for sure, I think they didn't even train under lights
Speaker 5: that much in the build up in Guyana. You also
Speaker 5: had It's one thing to be training with sides in
Speaker 5: the IPL, but not having played regularly in that period
Speaker 5: as well probably hurt their chances. So you didn't offer
Speaker 5: a place in the first game when he'd been just
Speaker 5: come off of fifty in the IPL in his last
Speaker 5: game and had been match ready, if you like, match
Speaker 5: for a lot to be said for that. So I
Speaker 5: think on this occasion that there will need to be
Speaker 5: you know, the microscope put over this some serious scrutiny
Speaker 5: as to how they go about looking a here, well,
Speaker 5: it starts with the champions trophy next February in Pakistan,
Speaker 5: but then beyond that to further whiteball tournaments. I think
Speaker 5: to just just on the ground. I mean, I know
Speaker 5: just how you guys feel with the with the in
Speaker 5: the circles you work in. But I just detected apathy
Speaker 5: to more apathy than ever in the past, and you're
Speaker 5: certainly in the last decade among fans just around the
Speaker 5: water cooler or just you know, a general chat about
Speaker 5: the New Zealand team and just even playing in this
Speaker 5: T twenties tournament. Whether it's the time zone or something
Speaker 5: like that, it just wasn't the level of interest, or
Speaker 5: maybe it's just overkill or this the saturation with these
Speaker 5: global tournaments. Just in the catch up from COVID et cetera,
Speaker 5: I just didn't feel like there was the normal interest
Speaker 5: there would be around a global tournament, at least on
Speaker 5: New Zealand shores.
Speaker 2: What about the conditions they played in all this? I
Speaker 2: heard you at one stage not overly happy with the
Speaker 2: fact that they were taking it to the America, if
Speaker 2: I if I read your comments correctly, And also the
Speaker 2: quality of the pictures have they even up the contest
Speaker 2: between bat and ball because they've been a lot of
Speaker 2: tight games with some very good sides being stretched. And
Speaker 2: it's a slightly different scenario as I think we talked
Speaker 2: about last week, Jerry, between that.
Speaker 5: And say the I p l yeah act, see, I
Speaker 5: came to quite like the fact that I'd like the
Speaker 5: bowler is getting one back. Actually, most of the time
Speaker 5: I thought that the pitch in New York seemed to
Speaker 5: be a bit hesitant though, or it was a bit
Speaker 5: there wasn't any surety really for the batters and net scenario.
Speaker 5: Although having said that that probably you know, you get
Speaker 5: your best performers to come out of that who can
Speaker 5: adapt to the conditions. I do wonder whether it's been
Speaker 5: it's almost been forced into America at some start, you know,
Speaker 5: over the course of a few years, where they're trying
Speaker 5: and they're coming off the back of this.
Speaker 6: They've got the MLC, Major.
Speaker 5: League Cricket trying to build into the American market, I guess,
Speaker 5: to take on baseball and some of those other sports
Speaker 5: and the like, and of course with the Olympics on
Speaker 5: the horizon, so it's just yeah, they're definitely trying to
Speaker 5: get in there, But I just wondered if when in
Speaker 5: New York was offering the best experience there. From what
Speaker 5: I understand, there were some other pictures that might have
Speaker 5: been available at one days, but they opted for the
Speaker 5: South Australian curated to develop his which probably didn't have
Speaker 5: you know, I mean they're playing on something a lot
Speaker 5: different to what they're used to, just say, in the IPL.
Speaker 5: So yeah, there was I guess some work to do there,
Speaker 5: but yeah, there's definitely a directive to try and get
Speaker 5: into that American market for sure.
Speaker 7: Look, if we're going to have a go at pictures
Speaker 7: in the IPL, we're two hundred and eighty to three
Speaker 7: hundred is kind of being scored in the twenty over match.
Speaker 7: You've also got to have a close look, I think
Speaker 7: at that New York pitch wads, you know, where the
Speaker 7: average score was probably less than one hundred, you know,
Speaker 7: scores of seventy and things like that, and against decent sides.
Speaker 7: So it made for some teams. I mean, India had
Speaker 7: the worst of the conditions. All their games were in
Speaker 7: New York. South Africa had three games there and they
Speaker 7: just sneaked through. I thought that, you know, pictures, whatever
Speaker 7: you call them.
Speaker 3: It just have to be even.
Speaker 7: And when balls are pitching in a similar area, they
Speaker 7: need to react similarly. Some at knee high, some rear
Speaker 7: at your head and your shoulder and your chest. From
Speaker 7: very close proximity on the surface of the pitch, you
Speaker 7: just you really can't play the ball at all.
Speaker 3: And while it was, they were.
Speaker 7: Close games, and for the casual fan going along from
Speaker 7: America might have drawn them in a bit, but they
Speaker 7: got lucky in that case was accidental. Those games were entertaining.
Speaker 7: That's not the point. The point really is there were
Speaker 7: no decent shots played. The ICC have had two to
Speaker 7: three years to sort that pitch out. They left it
Speaker 7: too late. The pitch has to be in the ground
Speaker 7: for a couple of years and rolled and let it
Speaker 7: get set in the ground, and then you bowl a
Speaker 7: few balls on it, then you check it out, and
Speaker 7: then you roll it again and you'd you know, you
Speaker 7: work on it.
Speaker 3: They they left it there.
Speaker 7: It went in in April, so it was only a
Speaker 7: month or so in the ground, so to lift it
Speaker 7: too long. It was their centerpiece of the whole tournament
Speaker 7: that you know, going to New York. So I'm afraid
Speaker 7: it looked dangerous to me. I watched a couple of games.
Speaker 7: I saw the guy was it the guy TechEd her.
Speaker 7: I don't know whether you harry Tech. The got it
Speaker 7: from the head, Yeah, got hit in the head, old
Speaker 7: row At Sharma was hitting the shoulder. They were lucky
Speaker 7: there was no real injury. That's what I'm saying. Trying
Speaker 7: to face Nokia on that sort of with that pace,
Speaker 7: it was dangerous that pitch. It got a little bit
Speaker 7: better throughout the tournament, but it was dangerous early on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting outcome from this tournament. Looking ahead to the
Speaker 2: Super eights that are coming up orders India, Australia, Afghanistan
Speaker 2: and Bangladesh in one, US, England, West Indies and South
Speaker 2: Africa in the other. How do we see it shaping
Speaker 2: now one of those groups. I think group one is
Speaker 2: probably tougher than Group two to my way of thinking.
Speaker 2: Do you see it?
Speaker 5: I was thinking, if you wanted to be in a
Speaker 5: group there, you definitely want to be in group two,
Speaker 5: that's for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well yeah, England, you know they had that radar with
Speaker 6: that with Scotland.
Speaker 5: But now with every chance to get through Feathers to
Speaker 5: the last four and beyond, West and He's given themself
Speaker 5: a good show here in South Africa. You think that
Speaker 5: the United States, I mean they've already sort of reached
Speaker 5: their past zenith of the tournament. I'll the impressed with
Speaker 5: what they've produced though at various Tison and Cory Anderson part.
Speaker 6: Of that setup.
Speaker 5: But in the previous Group one, India and Australia, you
Speaker 5: think should have the fire out and the consistency to
Speaker 5: be able to make it through to those semi finals.
Speaker 5: So it's yeah, certainly preferable group too, I would have
Speaker 5: thought at the stage. But yeah, it just just going
Speaker 5: back briefly to Jeremy's point too, Yeah, I just did
Speaker 5: feel like it was it was a ad hoc the
Speaker 5: whole New York being the centerpiece. And of course they'll
Speaker 5: move on from that now to the Caribbean for the
Speaker 5: remainder of the tournament. But yeah, it did have that
Speaker 5: feel about it, just that desperation to prove that that
Speaker 5: crek can make it in the Big Apple.
Speaker 7: Yeah, looked good on the telly, didn't it look the
Speaker 7: lovely ground in the pop up stadium and they've had
Speaker 7: just pop up the stadiums around the world. But it really,
Speaker 7: I mean, even hitting boundaries there was they cut the
Speaker 7: grass cleary.
Speaker 3: I don't know whether you could see you could see
Speaker 3: the sand coming up after the ball as it was.
Speaker 7: As they lowered the grass to try and get the
Speaker 7: totals a bit bigger. The pitch was still the same anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 7: as far as the tournament's concerned, I thought West Indies
Speaker 7: got a good draw. They played the two weaker sides
Speaker 7: first in Providence, which was a tricky kind of pitch,
Speaker 7: low pitch, a bit of turn and that sort of thing.
Speaker 3: Then they went to Trinidad, got New Zealand first up.
Speaker 7: Then they took Afghanistan to the best pitch in the
Speaker 7: West Indies, Saint Lucia at Grassy Lay, and smashed them,
Speaker 7: didn't they.
Speaker 3: So it really worked for them.
Speaker 7: South Africa got games in New York and so they
Speaker 7: got through by the thinner skin on a piece of biltong.
Speaker 7: But you know, it just it seemed to me, you know,
Speaker 7: they were nearly beaten by Nepal, and that's another point
Speaker 7: we should just quickly talk guys the associates. At some
Speaker 7: point they got by one run against apart, they could
Speaker 7: have been beaten by I think the Netherlands. They were
Speaker 7: sort of four for twelve and six for six for eighty,
Speaker 7: and then Miller brought them home, you know, by one over,
Speaker 7: and then they beat Sri Lanka as well.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 7: Does that mean South Africa they haven't choked yet and
Speaker 7: they've had games that are close, so is this slightly different?
Speaker 7: And wadds, we missed Rob Walter as a coach. He
Speaker 7: was here before he took our eighteen to India. Now
Speaker 7: he's there coaching South Africa. Okay, so look, yeah, I
Speaker 7: agree with you both. Group one looks looks a bit
Speaker 7: nasty pitty. Afghanistan took over New Zealand spot, wasn't it
Speaker 7: at the top, top position, and they find themselves in
Speaker 7: that group with India or Australia.
Speaker 5: Anyone's going to come through there, I mean get us
Speaker 5: started there. They are a tricky proposition. Particularly Yeah, well
Speaker 5: you both bowling and batting. But I just think that
Speaker 5: new left armor for rookie he looks he looks a
Speaker 5: top prospect for me.
Speaker 3: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.
Speaker 2: Interesting point you made. I'm able to ago Jerry about
Speaker 2: Rob Walter taking the South African idea. He was here
Speaker 2: in the New Zealand and we've lost some pretty good coaches.
Speaker 2: Heinrich Milan was another one who has drifted off. We've
Speaker 2: we've got a situation where coaches are not easy to
Speaker 2: come by in this part of the world now. But
Speaker 2: do we need to, as you mentioned, take a bit
Speaker 2: of the pressure off Gary Stead, split our coaching role
Speaker 2: for each format.
Speaker 3: Well, it's an option, isn't it.
Speaker 7: And I'm sure it's one of the points that perhaps
Speaker 7: will be raised in the review.
Speaker 3: I would hope it would be.
Speaker 7: Anyway, we've we've we've contemplated, like like a number of countries,
Speaker 7: haven't they. They've sort of said, what's the kind of
Speaker 7: set up for the coaching and some countries have kept
Speaker 7: their same coach for the three formats. With the amount
Speaker 7: of the schedules that that are, you know, constructed nowadays,
Speaker 7: it's not an easy thing for a one coach to
Speaker 7: handle all three formats and that's what's made you know,
Speaker 7: say England, for example, they have a white ball coach
Speaker 7: and they have a red ball coach.
Speaker 3: You're right, we have lost coaches.
Speaker 7: That's a shame because that we don't see why don't
Speaker 7: we attract overseas coaches wards money, right, so if it's money,
Speaker 7: then we have if could we look a little bit
Speaker 7: lower in the pecking order instead of going for a
Speaker 7: big name, we perhaps go to as South Africa perhaps
Speaker 7: have been attracted by who was in our a program
Speaker 7: and working nicely, they've pulled him away. I mean he's
Speaker 7: a South African anyway, probably it wouldn't have been difficult
Speaker 7: to do. Maybe, but could we start looking at that
Speaker 7: kind of level of coaches and perhaps get one that's
Speaker 7: on the rise.
Speaker 2: Well that's an interesting one because Matthew Mott, who's doing
Speaker 2: the England side at this tournament, was considered for the
Speaker 2: New Zealand position at some stage. I think he was
Speaker 2: in the hunt for the New Zealand role and yet
Speaker 2: I just wonder whether he is flavor of the month
Speaker 2: in England. He and Butler have come under a favorit
Speaker 2: of pressure in terms of the way England have been
Speaker 2: performing in the short form game.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 7: Well, it's that kind of level I think that we
Speaker 7: need to And it's more a bit of intelligence, isn't it.
Speaker 7: It's going around asking questions, finding out things.
Speaker 3: I mean when I mean we've had players who have
Speaker 3: been coaches, haven't we.
Speaker 7: In the eighties there was John Wright and there was
Speaker 7: John Bracewell, and in the nineties we got Fleming and
Speaker 7: who's still around doing his invittory of course in McCullum.
Speaker 7: So they are, of course, I would expect, remunerated pretty
Speaker 7: well and they don't have the whole year taken up,
Speaker 7: so they get the best of family life and also
Speaker 7: and a bit of professional life. Whether we can get
Speaker 7: one of those players to come in, I don't know.
Speaker 7: They have been coming in in the past a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, there's the likes of Craig McMillan, who's been
Speaker 2: the batting coach for a period of time. Now he's
Speaker 2: gone with the women. Dean Brownlee is with the White Ferns.
Speaker 2: Jacob Worum has been added to the coaching setup they have.
Speaker 2: They used Luke Ronkey of course, former player moving into
Speaker 2: the coaching role, Peter Fulton doing Canterbury. You know, Shane
Speaker 2: Jurgensen has opted out of international stuff to take a
Speaker 2: domestic role in Wellington. So there are those people around.
Speaker 2: Whether or not they're ready to take the next step,
Speaker 2: I suppose is what has to be determined, isn't it yep.
Speaker 3: And I think they're aware of that, aren't they.
Speaker 7: Every time I watch New Zealand go overseas on a tour,
Speaker 7: there's always someone different, just not at the Gary Stead level.
Speaker 7: And Luke Ronkey has actually played the Gary Stead sort
Speaker 7: of role, hasn't he in some of the in the past.
Speaker 7: He's led a tour to the Bangla to Bangladesh, for example,
Speaker 7: and we've brought an other people. I mean, you see
Speaker 7: Jacob Orram wandering around the grounds nowadays, and I assume
Speaker 7: he's not there just to watch the players. He'll be
Speaker 7: helping in some way. He's been interested in coaching for
Speaker 7: a few years now. We've seen other players former players
Speaker 7: around the coaching setups as we well, So I said,
Speaker 7: New Zealand Cricket are aware that we are going to
Speaker 7: have to confront this at some point and try and
Speaker 7: get a New Zealand based coach. But I'm talking about
Speaker 7: maybe just scouting overseas as well and perhaps bringing someone
Speaker 7: as an alternative to some of those players. We've prepared
Speaker 7: and we're not only we have got a sort of
Speaker 7: a passageway for players, we also have to have one
Speaker 7: for coaches too.
Speaker 3: Don't we.
Speaker 2: Yep? Most definitely, and you know there is a coaching
Speaker 2: set up for that, and you know many of the
Speaker 2: sides have extra coaches attached to them. I mean all
Speaker 2: the domestic sides have other coaches. BJ Watling was in
Speaker 2: Wellington for period of time and then went back to
Speaker 2: Northern Districts to take his role. So there is a
Speaker 2: pathway for them and it's something that they will have
Speaker 2: to consider on the front foot. Just before we go,
Speaker 2: I wonder if you had a look at the comments
Speaker 2: made by Josh Hazelwood after the or in the lead
Speaker 2: up to the game against Scotland suggesting their best interest
Speaker 2: to eliminate England, they might want to mess around with
Speaker 2: the run rate taken out of context a faraway line,
Speaker 2: said Mitchell Stark. What did you make of it? Because
Speaker 2: I thought, if say, somebody like Bubba Azamad said that,
Speaker 2: that would have been real controversy, wouldn't it.
Speaker 5: Well, actually, when you miss her like that, yes, I
Speaker 5: didn't take too much into I thought, oh, this is
Speaker 5: just classic ashes the banter and give them a bit
Speaker 5: of a buell if you like to lead into the
Speaker 5: next competition or the next class for the earn But now, yeah,
Speaker 5: you mentioned that about Bubba, that it would put a
Speaker 5: different Brits slant on it. And that's that's a really.
Speaker 6: Good point because it shouldn't.
Speaker 5: And yet if if there had been said, I think
Speaker 5: it would have been a totally different line or angle
Speaker 5: that would have been taken.
Speaker 6: And there's a there's a sitting by it in relation
Speaker 6: to that. But that's a really interesting point. For sure.
Speaker 2: You reckon, Jerry.
Speaker 7: I just thought on a on a decent picture where
Speaker 7: he should have been targeting the stumps. He's just bowlder
Speaker 7: bouncer and uh uh and I think everyone leapt on it,
Speaker 7: to be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Josh Hazel did very well but commons commons kind of
Speaker 7: quiet and just the waters, didn't he stilled the waters.
Speaker 3: As he tends to don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has played the piecemaker. Well done. All right, guys,
Speaker 2: thanks very much for joining us. Orders have heavy back
Speaker 2: again at some stage to uh give a chat on
Speaker 2: the front foot with the jermy and I thanks for
Speaker 2: joining us.
Speaker 6: Cheers guys, pleasant, Yeah, good on you olders.
Speaker 3: Get down to that MS enemy bunker again. Boy, that's
Speaker 3: the land. Good to hear for you. But modes usom
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