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Speaker 2: Take another poet in It's andreck, It is out, The

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Speaker 2: test is over. Couldn't a smooth fows a beauty?

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Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody,

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Speaker 2: Hello, nice to have you on the front foot once again.

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Speaker 2: Two winds over, Powerhouse Aganda and PNNG Third in the Fall.

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Speaker 2: But it doesn't hide the fact that this World t

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Speaker 2: twenty exposed some major shortcomings from the Black Maps white

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Speaker 2: ball Game, one of the enviewable white ball records of

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Speaker 2: the major nations without the title, but consistency through fifty

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Speaker 2: over and t tweety. Cricket has contributed to semi finals,

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Speaker 2: but no titles. Are we centaly for mediocrity and performance

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Speaker 2: and results. Our bigger review is needed from New Zealand cricket.

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Speaker 2: Well consolation wins achieved with the ruthlessness they should have been.

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Speaker 2: Locky Ferguson achieved a personal milestone, wore overs four maidens

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Speaker 2: three for none, but I wonder those matter to players

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Speaker 2: in the team that have been below. Post match. What

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Speaker 2: was Kane Williamson's overall reaction.

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Speaker 4: It's just finish for us obviously. All having said that,

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Speaker 4: I mean, it took a long time to start and

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Speaker 2: Not in contention, which was frustrating. We wanted to.

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Speaker 4: Start the campaign strong and we went able to do that.

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Speaker 4: You know, we played against a couple of very strong

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Speaker 4: you know, all and all frustrating, but you know, I

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Speaker 4: think the learnings for certainly players that have come back,

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Speaker 4: and so some good experiences to have going forward.

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Speaker 2: And the series ended with Trent Bolt deciding against any

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Speaker 4: Been an amazing servant of our game, and like you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: we've sort of grown up playing together from age group cricket.

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Speaker 2: You know, the ages of sort of ten to eleven and.

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Speaker 4: Really followed a similar path and what he's been able

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Speaker 4: the work that he's put in, and you know from

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Speaker 2: See a standard that's been set.

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Speaker 4: And I think he can be really proud of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely Trent Bolt will be proud of what

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Speaker 2: broadcaster Andrew Allerton and all this disappointing in this world

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Speaker 2: T twenty. I suppose we can console ourselves with the

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Speaker 5: I think he's one of our great What's if you

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Speaker 5: I guess twenty eleven. But what he's done over those

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Speaker 6: The retirement doesn't seem clear cut at this stage.

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Speaker 5: He suggested that the last p twenty World Cup, with

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Speaker 6: You think that's a bridge too far.

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Speaker 5: And the fact that he wasn't packed for those Australian

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerry at thirty four, and you know, at a

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Speaker 7: So it does look as though it could be the end,

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Speaker 7: You know, I suppose you got to mention Sally. Those

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Speaker 3: That was the feeling. I got to wads.

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Speaker 6: They have, and it's any side that's still that's worth

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Speaker 5: And I just think that, Yeah, we're going to look

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Speaker 5: a lot of and like Jeremy mentions, I mean, it's

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Speaker 5: he probably brought a lot too, you know, that consistent

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Speaker 5: What you can pick up from say the IPL you know,

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Speaker 6: It must have helped as well as the number of

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Speaker 5: But I just think that, yeah, eventually he made that

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Speaker 6: But he certainly played a part in New Zealand cricket history.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's an interesting point, Olders. It sort of ray

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Speaker 7: on my mind as you were saying that you mentioned contracts.

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Speaker 7: Do we now have to start thinking of our particularly

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Speaker 3: When you look at it, we've got well, I don't

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Speaker 7: It changes its name every year, but that domestic game

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Speaker 3: We don't have a franchise game here.

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Speaker 7: We were tracting overseas players for a T twenty component

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Speaker 7: be selected in that level. At that level, the seers,

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Speaker 3: So that's just a.

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Speaker 7: Little thought to throw at you guys what you feel

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Speaker 7: about that. I know it would weaken an already weak

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Speaker 5: I used to testing a bit like a getto type

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Speaker 5: more with the Rugby Jerry, when you've played enough game

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Speaker 7: I'm just thinking of the T twenties, but in particular that,

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Speaker 7: and that's where the franchise. Obviously all the operations are

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Speaker 3: That format, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: And so perhaps at that time of the year, maybe

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Speaker 7: and perhaps he could start to develop, because I'm not

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Speaker 2: That or do we need to look at it, there

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Speaker 2: in terms of the development, because while we have been competitive,

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Speaker 2: we were number one in the world at T twenty

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Speaker 5: For, and also with our franchise system, and players are

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Speaker 5: it's pretty hard I meantioned to turn down the financial

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Speaker 7: South Africa got games in New York and so they

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Speaker 7: got through by the thinner skin on a piece of biltong.

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Speaker 7: But you know, it just it seemed to me, you know,

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Speaker 7: they were nearly beaten by Nepal, and that's another point

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Speaker 7: we should just quickly talk guys the associates. At some

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Speaker 7: point they got by one run against apart, they could

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Speaker 7: have been beaten by I think the Netherlands. They were

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Speaker 7: sort of four for twelve and six for six for eighty,

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Speaker 7: and then Miller brought them home, you know, by one over,

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Speaker 7: and then they beat Sri Lanka as well.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, it'll be interesting.

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Speaker 7: Does that mean South Africa they haven't choked yet and

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Speaker 7: they've had games that are close, so is this slightly different?

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Speaker 7: And wadds, we missed Rob Walter as a coach. He

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Speaker 7: was here before he took our eighteen to India. Now

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Speaker 7: he's there coaching South Africa. Okay, so look, yeah, I

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Speaker 7: agree with you both. Group one looks looks a bit

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Speaker 7: nasty pitty. Afghanistan took over New Zealand spot, wasn't it

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Speaker 7: at the top, top position, and they find themselves in

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Speaker 7: that group with India or Australia.

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Speaker 5: Anyone's going to come through there, I mean get us

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Speaker 5: started there. They are a tricky proposition. Particularly Yeah, well

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Speaker 5: you both bowling and batting. But I just think that

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Speaker 5: new left armor for rookie he looks he looks a

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Speaker 5: top prospect for me.

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Speaker 3: Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on the front foot.

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Speaker 2: Interesting point you made. I'm able to ago Jerry about

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Speaker 2: Rob Walter taking the South African idea. He was here

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Speaker 2: in the New Zealand and we've lost some pretty good coaches.

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Speaker 2: Heinrich Milan was another one who has drifted off. We've

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Speaker 2: we've got a situation where coaches are not easy to

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Speaker 2: come by in this part of the world now. But

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Speaker 2: do we need to, as you mentioned, take a bit

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Speaker 2: of the pressure off Gary Stead, split our coaching role

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Speaker 2: for each format.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's an option, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: And I'm sure it's one of the points that perhaps

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Speaker 7: will be raised in the review.

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Speaker 3: I would hope it would be.

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Speaker 7: Anyway, we've we've we've contemplated, like like a number of countries,

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Speaker 7: haven't they. They've sort of said, what's the kind of

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Speaker 7: set up for the coaching and some countries have kept

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Speaker 7: their same coach for the three formats. With the amount

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Speaker 7: of the schedules that that are, you know, constructed nowadays,

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Speaker 7: it's not an easy thing for a one coach to

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Speaker 7: handle all three formats and that's what's made you know,

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Speaker 7: say England, for example, they have a white ball coach

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Speaker 7: and they have a red ball coach.

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Speaker 3: You're right, we have lost coaches.

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Speaker 7: That's a shame because that we don't see why don't

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Speaker 7: we attract overseas coaches wards money, right, so if it's money,

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Speaker 7: then we have if could we look a little bit

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Speaker 7: lower in the pecking order instead of going for a

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Speaker 7: big name, we perhaps go to as South Africa perhaps

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Speaker 7: have been attracted by who was in our a program

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Speaker 7: and working nicely, they've pulled him away. I mean he's

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Speaker 7: a South African anyway, probably it wouldn't have been difficult

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Speaker 7: to do. Maybe, but could we start looking at that

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Speaker 7: kind of level of coaches and perhaps get one that's

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Speaker 7: on the rise.

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Speaker 2: Well that's an interesting one because Matthew Mott, who's doing

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Speaker 2: the England side at this tournament, was considered for the

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Speaker 2: New Zealand position at some stage. I think he was

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Speaker 2: in the hunt for the New Zealand role and yet

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Speaker 2: I just wonder whether he is flavor of the month

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Speaker 2: in England. He and Butler have come under a favorit

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Speaker 2: of pressure in terms of the way England have been

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Speaker 2: performing in the short form game.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's that kind of level I think that we

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Speaker 7: need to And it's more a bit of intelligence, isn't it.

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Speaker 7: It's going around asking questions, finding out things.

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Speaker 3: I mean when I mean we've had players who have

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Speaker 3: been coaches, haven't we.

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Speaker 7: In the eighties there was John Wright and there was

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Speaker 7: John Bracewell, and in the nineties we got Fleming and

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Speaker 7: who's still around doing his invittory of course in McCullum.

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Speaker 7: So they are, of course, I would expect, remunerated pretty

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Speaker 7: well and they don't have the whole year taken up,

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Speaker 7: so they get the best of family life and also

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Speaker 7: and a bit of professional life. Whether we can get

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Speaker 7: one of those players to come in, I don't know.

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Speaker 7: They have been coming in in the past a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, there's the likes of Craig McMillan, who's been

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Speaker 2: the batting coach for a period of time. Now he's

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Speaker 2: gone with the women. Dean Brownlee is with the White Ferns.

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Speaker 2: Jacob Worum has been added to the coaching setup they have.

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Speaker 2: They used Luke Ronkey of course, former player moving into

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Speaker 2: the coaching role, Peter Fulton doing Canterbury. You know, Shane

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Speaker 2: Jurgensen has opted out of international stuff to take a

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Speaker 2: domestic role in Wellington. So there are those people around.

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Speaker 2: Whether or not they're ready to take the next step,

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Speaker 2: I suppose is what has to be determined, isn't it yep.

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Speaker 3: And I think they're aware of that, aren't they.

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Speaker 7: Every time I watch New Zealand go overseas on a tour,

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Speaker 7: there's always someone different, just not at the Gary Stead level.

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Speaker 7: And Luke Ronkey has actually played the Gary Stead sort

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00:29:40,933 --> 00:29:43,373
Speaker 7: of role, hasn't he in some of the in the past.

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Speaker 7: He's led a tour to the Bangla to Bangladesh, for example,

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Speaker 7: and we've brought an other people. I mean, you see

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Speaker 7: Jacob Orram wandering around the grounds nowadays, and I assume

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Speaker 7: he's not there just to watch the players. He'll be

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Speaker 7: helping in some way. He's been interested in coaching for

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Speaker 7: a few years now. We've seen other players former players

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Speaker 7: around the coaching setups as we well, So I said,

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Speaker 7: New Zealand Cricket are aware that we are going to

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Speaker 7: have to confront this at some point and try and

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Speaker 7: get a New Zealand based coach. But I'm talking about

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Speaker 7: maybe just scouting overseas as well and perhaps bringing someone

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Speaker 7: as an alternative to some of those players. We've prepared

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Speaker 7: and we're not only we have got a sort of

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Speaker 7: a passageway for players, we also have to have one

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Speaker 7: for coaches too.

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Speaker 3: Don't we.

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Speaker 2: Yep? Most definitely, and you know there is a coaching

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Speaker 2: set up for that, and you know many of the

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Speaker 2: sides have extra coaches attached to them. I mean all

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Speaker 2: the domestic sides have other coaches. BJ Watling was in

554
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Speaker 2: Wellington for period of time and then went back to

555
00:30:53,053 --> 00:30:56,093
Speaker 2: Northern Districts to take his role. So there is a

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Speaker 2: pathway for them and it's something that they will have

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Speaker 2: to consider on the front foot. Just before we go,

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Speaker 2: I wonder if you had a look at the comments

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Speaker 2: made by Josh Hazelwood after the or in the lead

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Speaker 2: up to the game against Scotland suggesting their best interest

561
00:31:14,693 --> 00:31:18,373
Speaker 2: to eliminate England, they might want to mess around with

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Speaker 2: the run rate taken out of context a faraway line,

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Speaker 2: said Mitchell Stark. What did you make of it? Because

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Speaker 2: I thought, if say, somebody like Bubba Azamad said that,

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Speaker 2: that would have been real controversy, wouldn't it.

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Speaker 5: Well, actually, when you miss her like that, yes, I

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00:31:35,813 --> 00:31:37,453
Speaker 5: didn't take too much into I thought, oh, this is

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Speaker 5: just classic ashes the banter and give them a bit

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Speaker 5: of a buell if you like to lead into the

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Speaker 5: next competition or the next class for the earn But now, yeah,

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Speaker 5: you mentioned that about Bubba, that it would put a

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Speaker 5: different Brits slant on it. And that's that's a really.

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Speaker 6: Good point because it shouldn't.

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Speaker 5: And yet if if there had been said, I think

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Speaker 5: it would have been a totally different line or angle

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Speaker 5: that would have been taken.

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Speaker 6: And there's a there's a sitting by it in relation

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Speaker 6: to that. But that's a really interesting point. For sure.

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Speaker 2: You reckon, Jerry.

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Speaker 7: I just thought on a on a decent picture where

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Speaker 7: he should have been targeting the stumps. He's just bowlder

582
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Speaker 7: bouncer and uh uh and I think everyone leapt on it,

583
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Speaker 7: to be honest, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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00:32:32,453 --> 00:32:36,053
Speaker 7: Josh Hazel did very well but commons commons kind of

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Speaker 7: quiet and just the waters, didn't he stilled the waters.

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Speaker 3: As he tends to don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he has played the piecemaker. Well done. All right, guys,

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Speaker 2: thanks very much for joining us. Orders have heavy back

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Speaker 2: again at some stage to uh give a chat on

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Speaker 2: the front foot with the jermy and I thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us.

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Speaker 6: Cheers guys, pleasant, Yeah, good on you olders.

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Speaker 3: Get down to that MS enemy bunker again. Boy, that's

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Speaker 3: the land. Good to hear for you. But modes usom

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