1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, local and 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: global exposure like no, ohther mater. 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: With me this evening. Tim Wilson of the Maximum Institute 4 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 2: in Richard Hill's Auckland councilor hello you too, hey there, 5 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,319 Speaker 2: do you think Richard they should just give it up 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: because the old mates thinking about appealing? 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 3: Oh? How annoying is this process? Just what could jump 8 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:23,440 Speaker 3: her out of here? 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 4: Like? 10 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 2: But they can't because democracy and it's the Greens I know. 11 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 3: But what is she going to do for the next 12 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 3: two years? Sit there and just be. 13 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 2: An appeal and just reappeal and just reappeal. 14 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: It seems ridiculous. 15 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, but if you were in this and listen, you're 16 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: a politician, Yes, if you were in this position, what 17 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 2: would you do? 18 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 3: Which position? 19 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 2: This position where Darleene is screwing you in public? 20 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 5: Oh? 21 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 3: I would just if you were Chloe, find a new 22 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: lawyer to say they should not be in parliament. I 23 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: mean then she's not in the Green Party anymore and 24 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 3: people voted for the Green Party for MP's and she's not. 25 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: So would you So at this point you become slightly 26 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: dictatorial and you say nevermind democracy we're just going to 27 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 2: walk a jumper. 28 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: No, I think the issue is relationships and apparently that 29 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 3: she didn't say the right, true ful things. It's not 30 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: about disagreeing on a policy. If it was about a 31 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 3: policy or something. 32 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: Else, Richard. So, yes, they can walk a jumper, but 33 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: now they are always wanting to go to their delegates, 34 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 2: and in the three weeks before they go to their delegates, 35 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: she appeals again, what do you think, Tim, what should 36 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: they because if you look at the polls, Mate, when 37 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:28,959 Speaker 2: Chloe took over, they were sitting fourteen fifteen in the polls, 38 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 2: they're now sitting ten and eleven. Because Darlene is hurting them. 39 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think a few things are hurting them. 40 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 4: But I've got to say I'm heartened if I hear 41 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 4: the Greens leader talking about Sun Sou, free speech and accountability. 42 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 5: Those are fantastic. Those are fantastic concepts. 43 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 4: Let's embrace them and look, I think right, but I 44 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 4: think in terms of in terms of the way that 45 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 4: people are going to respond to it. If they do, 46 00:01:56,600 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 4: if they can go through this process, You've already seen 47 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 4: the Pacifica Greens leave and if there's declining support, I 48 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 4: do feel like they're cannibalizing their own interior in some ways, 49 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 4: so it's super problematic. I think they do have to 50 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 4: do it in public. They do have to get the 51 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 4: seventy five percent. Sure, she can get a lawyer, but 52 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 4: she'll be increasingly isolated and perhaps they'll be able to 53 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 4: gather gather some momentum. But again the issue, I think 54 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 4: there's a deeper issue there with how Pacifica people feel 55 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: like they've been treated by that quote unquote democracy. 56 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not loving a day hey, or you guys, 57 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 2: you Richard. Auckland Council are going to send the Auckland 58 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: Council workers back in five days a week. 59 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: So I saw Verbeck asking and I'm hoping she's talking 60 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 3: to all her members, not just Auckland Council. So I 61 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: hear a lot of the buildings around the city center 62 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 3: are empty or not very full. But with Auckland Council 63 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: we have about eighty eight percent. Last month in the 64 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: city center building was full. I think Monaco was one 65 00:02:55,639 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: hundred and seven percent averaging. And the sized, Yeah, we've 66 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 3: downsized sized and manacau With downsized as a city. 67 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 2: Now you downsized your floor size and manecaw for Auckland Council. 68 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 3: No, with downsized as a city. We're saving about thirty 69 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 3: four million dollars by downsizing office spaces. We've moved the 70 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 3: CEOs into our building things like that. 71 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 2: So there is why it's full because you've reduced the 72 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: floor space. 73 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: Isn't there Well, a little bit of that. But also 74 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 3: we have our staffriend libraries, leisure centers working nights. Yeah, 75 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,959 Speaker 3: there's it's not like a perfect system of. 76 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: Okay, what about I'm talking about the dudes at the desks. 77 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: The building is like eighty eight percent fil last month, 78 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: and the Monaco Albany are all about eighty ninety percent. 79 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 3: So people are working from the office. But there's still 80 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 3: ability to have flexibility for parents for whatever reason. And 81 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: I talked to the CEO today and he said they're 82 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: having no issues with productivity or they don't believe anyone's 83 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: like taking advantage. It's actually helped people come back to 84 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 3: the office earlier if they have that choice, because they're 85 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: able to have a bit more flexibility coming fewer days. 86 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: So but largely, to be honest, I'm there almost every 87 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 3: day because I like, I prefer it. Most councilors are 88 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: not in every day and most of the floors are full, 89 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 3: the cafe is full. That elevators trying to get up 90 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: if you're in a rush is a bit of a 91 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: mission sometimes. So I'm not seeing an issue from our building. 92 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 3: But if the BECK wants to talk to all of 93 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: their members, if that's an issue. But I don't think 94 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 3: it's also up to Auckland Council organ council staff to 95 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 3: go out and buy you know, only Akan Council's responsibility 96 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: to buy stuff in the city center. 97 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 2: No, No, it's about leadership and setting an example if thin 98 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: because where she was going, Tim, I want your take 99 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: on it. We'll get it after the break. It's fourteen 100 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 2: away from six the. 101 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty elevate the marketing 102 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: of your home. 103 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the Huddle Richard Hill's and Tim Wilson. Tim, 104 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: what do you reckon about Auckland Council sending the staff 105 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 2: back in? 106 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 5: Yeah? 107 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, I think what we do at maxim As 108 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 4: we do four days and at work and one day 109 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 4: flexi on a Friday. And I think it's all about productivity, 110 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,280 Speaker 4: isn't it. It's like, how do people actually produce the 111 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: most in this at work? Is it at home or 112 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: is it in the office? And some studies say it's 113 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 4: at home, some studies say it's What's what I thought 114 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 4: was really interesting And one of the things I read 115 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 4: was that workers aren't very good at assessing where they're 116 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 4: the most productive. So it's something the CEOs are saying 117 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 4: they're productive. Then that's positive. 118 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 5: I do. 119 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 4: I do think though, that accountability is a big issue. 120 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 4: And I've heard someone someone who sort of two steps removed, 121 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 4: went in as a manager and found that people were 122 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 4: doing ten minutes work and billing for an hour. 123 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,559 Speaker 5: So you've got to cut that sort of stuff out, 124 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 5: like you know, I think. Look, I say, you know what, 125 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 5: come in three. 126 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 4: Days a week, but make it easier to sack people 127 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 4: who aren't performing. 128 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 5: That's the way forward. 129 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 2: That's true. Why do you do a Friday though? Why 130 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 2: don't you do FLEXI on a Wednesday? 131 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 5: What's what's wrong? What's wrong with well? Wednesday? 132 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 4: Wednesdays the day when you've got to grit it out, Heather, 133 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 4: that's hunt days. 134 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 2: Friday is obviously spending spending time in your car driving 135 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 2: to the corimandel, isn't it? 136 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 4: No, No, we operate a high trust environment at Maximustitute. 137 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 4: I know they're not driving to the Corimandel because I've 138 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 4: got ankle bracelets with a lot of them. 139 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 2: It makes absolute sense. Do you think, Richard, that Madison 140 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 2: Ashton the mistress prostitute? Had she appeared, I mean, isn't 141 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: that just so salacious? Had she appeared in court, would 142 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: she have changed the jury's mind? 143 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: I think I might be one of the only people 144 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 3: in New Zealand who has not read or what followed 145 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: this at all. 146 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: Why not? 147 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 3: Because I'm very busy and it seemed like bold. 148 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 5: Enough, and because it's good. It's good for it's good 149 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 5: for you. Richard, don't follow the details. 150 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 4: You're actually a more cheerful, optimistic and hopeful person because 151 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: you don't know the details. 152 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 2: Did you not follow it? 153 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,039 Speaker 3: It sounded wild? 154 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 4: I just know I deliberately avoided it, to be honest. 155 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: I don't want to sit there drawling like some for 156 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 4: you about the sexual incontinence, the sadness and the fragility 157 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 4: of the rich and miserable. 158 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 5: No, thank you. 159 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: Oh you've shamed us now, Tim there's no coming back. 160 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 5: I can't even disgust. But could I say that in 161 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 5: a funny way. 162 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: Can you try? 163 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: Is that I do imagine if the offensive pole did 164 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 3: get hurt too, it would have blown up into this 165 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 3: even bigger, ridiculous spectacle. And it does seem odd that 166 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: it was. I think it's like a podcast and everything now, but. 167 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: Oh is it a podcast. It's multiple podcasts, so you 168 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: just show how little it's multiple Holy Hannah. Hey, okay, 169 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: listen tim on Andrew Costa, do you have any concerns 170 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 2: about the fact that he quite clearly has been given 171 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 2: a sweet job to leave the job that we don't 172 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: want him in anymore. 173 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 4: Look, maybe I'm a bit nate, but I think he's 174 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 4: He's proved a great deal of leadership within the police. 175 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 5: Now. 176 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 4: It probably goes back to as my understanding is that 177 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 4: the police commissioner pretty much has to execute what the 178 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 4: government determines his policy. 179 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 5: So under under Labor, he did what they what they wanted. 180 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 4: I actually think he showed leadership during the parliamentary protest, yes, 181 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 4: because he went and engaged with the protesters, which is 182 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 4: something that almost no one in our political class. 183 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 5: Stop. 184 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: If you don't move you, I'm going to tell your 185 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 2: cars today and then the next day he'd be like no, 186 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: I really. 187 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 5: Mean I did hear that. 188 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 4: I didn't hear that. But he's also here's the deal. 189 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 4: He's also locked up common chieros. So if he can 190 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 4: work with both sides of the House, he's going to 191 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 4: be awesome on this role. 192 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: I actually think he is going to be good in 193 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 2: this role Richard, because I think this is as will happen. 194 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: He has a really good and this is the problem 195 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 3: with politicians when they're campaigning either side bagging the public servants. 196 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: Because we're not like America where we switch all the 197 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 3: public servants out tomorrow, sweep them all out. 198 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: They're actually got to work with them. 199 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 3: Whoops, Like I'm elected now and I have to deal 200 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 3: with these people. I've been dashing every day. So I 201 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 3: think the issue is it's good in New Zealand and 202 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 3: we have this continuity. We have these people that can 203 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: work with either side. But it does come back when 204 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 3: you see Mark Mitchell like sort of red face when 205 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: they're asking him in those first few months, like do 206 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 3: you hate Andrew Cossen. They're like, no, he's actually a 207 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: very fine man, you know, because they don't have a 208 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 3: choice now because ministerial rules are different to opposition rules 209 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 3: and so it's a bit of theater, it's a bit 210 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: of campaigning, but it is a good lesson for the 211 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: next election or the following elections that people just need 212 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: to think about what this is. 213 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: Don smack talk, guys, it's really lovely. Chat to the 214 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 2: pair of you. Thank you. Tim Wilson of the Maximu 215 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 2: Institute and Richard Hill's Auckland Councilors. 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