1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political edit is with us right now. 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 2: Hello, Thomas, had a good afternoon. 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,159 Speaker 1: Regional councils are gone Burger. 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: Well there is. There is an announcement at five o'clock 5 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: this afternoon. I've actually have written a column about what 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 2: the government was looking at back in July. So if 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: if your readers want to google Thomas Coglan council merger 8 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: an amalgamation thing and read a really good article from. 9 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: July algamation amalgamation thing. 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: Well, I can't say anything about about what the government 11 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,479 Speaker 2: is planning. I really can't. They they've sworn me to 12 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,199 Speaker 2: secret see, but I would I would go back and 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 2: read that column from July. 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: I think, okay, they've got column thirteen minutes and then 15 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: they can tune into christ Bishop here on the show. 16 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: We're doing a Black Friday sale, so pretty subscribe. 17 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,559 Speaker 1: They can ever listen to it. All right, Well, you 18 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: can't talk much about that, so never mind that. Will 19 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,279 Speaker 1: move on. Then tell me about labor fluting with Winnie. 20 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: Yes, this is really interesting. So obviously obviously labor Labor 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 2: wants to repeal the Regulatory Standards Act. And then last 22 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 2: week Winston Peters decided that he wanted to repeal it 23 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 2: as well. So Labor sort of teased teased mister Peters 24 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 2: today putting out a members bill saying, hey, look let's 25 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: just repeal it now. We've put our members bill in 26 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: the tin. And Winston obviously has the votes to join 27 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: with Labor, the Greens to party Mary to to make 28 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: that members bill law. Winston fired off a tweet he's 29 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 2: flying to Hanaway at the moment. I think he used 30 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 2: the inn air Wi Fi to file a tweet accusing 31 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: Labour of playing political games, saying that they hold their 32 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: coalition agreement which is for this term, and then obviously 33 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: at the twenty twenty six election they will campaign on 34 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,399 Speaker 2: repealing the Regulatory Standards Act, which they would probably need 35 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: Labor support to do. 36 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, but see they've just busted him playing his game, 37 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 1: haven't they, Because if he actually really wanted to repeal 38 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: the thing that he himself voted in, then he could 39 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: do it right now with their help, couldn't they. 40 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 2: He could And you know this precedent for this, the 41 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: Greens of the exact same thing back in the twenty 42 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: seventeen to twenty twenty election. The Green said, look, we'll 43 00:01:58,520 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: vote for your walker jumping law and then National put 44 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,559 Speaker 2: it in a member's bill to repeal the walker jumping 45 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: all after the past and the Greens actually said, hey, 46 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: look Winston, we said we're honor the coalition agreement and 47 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: vote for the law. We didn't say anything about voting 48 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: for repealing it, and they did both in the same parliament, 49 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 2: and then of course they used it. 50 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: But he doesn't actually when he doesn't actually want to 51 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: unwind the law, he just wants to campaign on it. 52 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did you know. I think the events of 53 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 2: today would strongly suggest to your coact on man with 54 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: busted him. 55 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: Now what is going on with Chris Luxon and the 56 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: polling and the ongoing questions film me and what's happened today. 57 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 2: It's an incredible, incredible sort of event. Today Christoph Luxon 58 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 2: was up in Auckland where he was asked about whether 59 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 2: he cared about the National MP's who are going to 60 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: lose their jobs on current polling UF an election we 61 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 2: held today. I've actually got the audio of what he 62 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: said in his response to it. You don't hold any 63 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 2: concerns for those MP's who on the current polling numbers 64 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 2: if an election was held today would most their jobs, 65 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 2: You're not worry for them? So pretty I mean pretty 66 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 2: staggering sort of response there, pretty kind of tell us. 67 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,120 Speaker 2: I guess. I actually put that to Chris Bishop in 68 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: a press conference a little while ago, and here is 69 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,919 Speaker 2: what he had to say. I'll think I think we've 70 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: dealt with all the ethemero related to these that are 71 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: you worried because be one of them. 72 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: I've got a three point fifteen to talk about resource 73 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,079 Speaker 1: management reforms, so we're better get to that. Hey, thank 74 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: you very much. You're wrong. 75 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: So there's a lot so that annoys you. Here is 76 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 2: Chris Bishop leaving his own office. The press conference was 77 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: in his own office, so Chris Bishop had to actually 78 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: get up from the chair and leave his own office, 79 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 2: leaving the entire well half of the press gallery are 80 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 2: sitting around his table. So it's not a great look, 81 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: now I do. I've got a statement from the Prime Minister, 82 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: from the Prime Minister's spokesperson who said the Prime Minister 83 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: is answering a hypothecal question. He is confident all national 84 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: MP's will be returned at the next election. Our plan 85 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: to fix the basics and build the future as working 86 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: and we're confident of getting a strong result in twenty 87 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: twenty six. So it is possible that he that he misspoke, 88 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: even likely, but it is quite an incredible turn of events. 89 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 2: I think when there's all this leadership speculation swirling swirling 90 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: around Chris Bishop, of course they don't have your sort 91 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: of answers straight and question like that, you know, show 92 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: some empathy, you know, say the right thing, which is 93 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 2: you know, of course I'm concerned for these MP's and 94 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: you know what, we're going to fight hard, we're going 95 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: to win the election, and we're going to have an 96 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:10,119 Speaker 2: even bigger caucus next week. 97 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: Character this is the problem with Chris Luxin and he's 98 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: not nimble right, and he doesn't figure out how to 99 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: say things properly because if he was to express empathy, 100 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: then he would be worried that it would be confirmation 101 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: of the fact that the thing might really happen. Right 102 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: what But today was actually an important day because today 103 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: was caucus where potentially, if Chris Luxeon had the kahones, 104 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: he could flush Chris Bush about did anything happen in caucus? 105 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: It was this this is a recess week this week, 106 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: so so no caucus, so he needs lasday yeah, and 107 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: the next Tuesday is as the scrutiny week, so I'm 108 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: not sure what the carcuse rules are on whether they 109 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 2: actually are holding a caucus meeting at the scrutiny during 110 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 2: scrutiny week, so he does have a bit of time, 111 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 2: but of course that's not impossible to hold an extraordinary 112 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 2: caucus meeting if there is if there is no confidence 113 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 2: in Christopher Luxen. Now, of course it doesn't look like 114 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: there is an active coup underweight at the moment, but 115 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 2: I have to say after that, after that press conference, 116 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 2: that's probably one of the biggest food in mouth events 117 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,840 Speaker 2: of Christopher Luckson's career, so it'll be interesting to see 118 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: whether that causes some in peace to get a bit 119 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 2: shaky cool. 120 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 1: Yay for the National Party. All right, Thomas, thanks very much, 121 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editor. 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