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Speaker 1: Well either the Justice Minister Paul Goldsmith is telling Porky's

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Speaker 1: or he is the most out of the loop person

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Speaker 1: in Wellington. But it is complete bs for him to

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Speaker 1: suggest that there is no talk of rolling Chris Luxon. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that is, yes, there is. I can tell you for

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Speaker 1: a fact that there are senior National Party ministers who

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Speaker 1: say Luxon can't continue in the job. I can tell

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Speaker 1: you for a fact that MPs are talking to each

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Speaker 1: other about whether they should roll him, because they are

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Speaker 1: considering whether to pill pen and roll him. But if

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Speaker 1: they do roll him, the most likely person that they

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Speaker 1: will roll him for is Chris Bishop. But they haven't

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Speaker 1: and this is important, they haven't decided to do it.

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Speaker 1: Either that or they don't have the numbers to do it,

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Speaker 1: probably because it is a really really risky thing to do.

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Speaker 1: It's only happened once before rolling a sitting prime minis center.

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Speaker 1: It was Jim Bolger and that didn't go well for

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Speaker 1: a number of reasons. Now there is always the chance

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Speaker 1: as well. This is what they've got to take into consideration.

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Speaker 1: There is always the chance that sticking with Luxon might

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Speaker 1: be okay next year if the economy improves. Nationals polls

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Speaker 1: will probably go up. Some of the MPs worried about

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Speaker 1: losing their seats on current polling will then be fine.

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Speaker 1: But there is a chance that the polls don't recover

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Speaker 1: enough to save all of the MPs at risk losing

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Speaker 1: their seats right now because Luckson is so unpopular that

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Speaker 1: he is a drag on Nationals vote, and like it

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Speaker 1: or not, modern elections are about who you want as

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Speaker 1: your prime minister. Jacinda is the reason that Labour's vote

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Speaker 1: went up in twenty seventeen. Luxon is part of the

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Speaker 1: reason that Nationals vote has fallen. Chris Bishop may do

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Speaker 1: a better guess a better job, but that is just

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Speaker 1: going to be a guess, right We do not know

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Speaker 1: they will be guessing. National MPs cannot be sure. He

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Speaker 1: could also do a terrible job. Also, the instability that's

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Speaker 1: created by rolling a sitting prime minister could make Nationals

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Speaker 1: vote fall even further. It is a high risk move, frankly,

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Speaker 1: either way, Sticking with Luxen who is unpopular as high risk.

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Speaker 1: Trying out Chris Bishop, who's unproven is also high risk.

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Speaker 1: It is a call that frankly, I myself would not

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Speaker 1: want to make, but it is a call that national

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Speaker 1: MPs are making, and they are making it right now.

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Speaker 1: They are deciding right now whether they do this or not.

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Speaker 1: It may never eventuate, but the talk, trust me, is real.

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