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Speaker 1: the analysis. Heather dupicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Welcome to the show coming up today. Former Ossie

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Speaker 2: officer turned commentator Roger Shanahan on whether this piece in

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Speaker 2: the Middle East is going to last turns out erdu

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Speaker 2: Kama Kingi allegedly abused parliamentary stuff will get you across

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Speaker 2: all the Marti Party allegations. And finally, Air New Zealand

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Speaker 2: is working with another airline to check you all the

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Speaker 2: way through.

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Speaker 3: We'll chat to them, Heather dupericy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: So what happened last night is remarkable. Before the deadline

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Speaker 2: of ten o'clock New Zealand time, twenty living Israeli hostages

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Speaker 2: who had been held for two years, who had been

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Speaker 2: forced in some cases to dig their own graves, spend

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Speaker 2: unknown lengths of time in tunnels underground and go without

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Speaker 2: much in the way of sustenance. At times, twenty living

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Speaker 2: Israeli hostages were handed over by their captors back into

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Speaker 2: the care of Hiss, which is their home. That is

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Speaker 2: remarkable because, I mean, let's be honest about it, in

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Speaker 2: the last time, in the last two years, there were

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Speaker 2: times where, surely we started to believe that we'd seen

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Speaker 2: assumed most, if not all, the remaining twenty would die

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Speaker 2: in captivity in the years that we may have thought

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Speaker 2: stretched ahead of us. But look at what's happened. Eight

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Speaker 2: is now flowing back into Gaza. People are going back

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Speaker 2: has stopped. So you would think this would be a

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Speaker 2: moment to celebrate, don't you the very thing that so

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Speaker 2: many of us have been calling for for such a

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Speaker 2: thing has happened. The fighting has stopped, the starvation has stopped.

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Speaker 2: But where is the celebration. I mean, don't you think

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Speaker 2: it's remarkably muted today? Now I realize a lot of

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Speaker 2: that will be that there is some weariness, quite rightly,

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Speaker 2: over whether this peace can hold because so many ceasefires

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Speaker 2: have broken down in the past, and there are so

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Speaker 2: many ways that this ceasefire can break down. Could be

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Speaker 2: a rocket fire, an error, could be hamas still refusing

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Speaker 2: to discimn could be anything, But I do wonder if

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Speaker 2: part of it is. Also it's hard for some people

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Speaker 2: to give credit to Donald Trump for the role that

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Speaker 2: he planned in this. I mean, already there are opinion

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Speaker 2: pieces that are writing him out of this historic moment,

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Speaker 2: talking up the diplomat diplomatic efforts of others, particularly in

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Speaker 2: But you can't ignore his role in this. You can't

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Speaker 2: write him out of this. He was instrumental in a

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Speaker 2: way that Biden never was, and it was for various reasons,

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Speaker 2: mainly because of his friendship with Ben Yaminett and Yahoo,

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Speaker 2: which Biden never had, but also because of his relationship

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Speaker 2: with the Arab countries, because of previous work in the

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Speaker 2: region in his first administration, like the Abraham Accords. Now,

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Speaker 2: let's be fair, it's always hard to give credit to

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Speaker 2: people we dislike. It's also very hard to give credit

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Speaker 2: to people who are so capable of dishing out copious

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Speaker 2: amounts of credit to themselves, like Donald Trump. But Trump

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Speaker 2: does deserve credit, and he deserves a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: For getting the gars a conflict to a point that

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Speaker 2: it has never been before, which is that all the

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Speaker 2: living hostages are out.

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Speaker 3: Heather duper Cela, who's.

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Speaker 2: The text number? Standard text be supply and there's plenty

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Speaker 2: to get you across in developments in that part of

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Speaker 2: the world today. Now the Reserve Bank is slightly loosening

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Speaker 2: its old LVR lending restrictions from mortgages from December. It's

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Speaker 2: Roger Beaumont is the chief executive of the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Banking Association and with us Hallo, Roger.

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Speaker 3: Good evening here.

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Speaker 4: That's good to be with you.

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Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you back. Does this make

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 4: Look, I think it's a really good move that will

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Speaker 2: Don't mind the flexibility, but the first home buyers is

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Speaker 2: doing pretty all right, aren't they.

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Speaker 4: So the data that we have just released shows that

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Speaker 4: in the first half of the year, of all new

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Speaker 4: tells us, Heather, is that actually, first home buyers are

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Speaker 4: i'd call the sweet spot of softer house prices combined

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Speaker 4: I mean, if I was a first home buyer, this

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Speaker 4: I'd be looking really hard at the market right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. I see. Also, the data that you put

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Speaker 2: of the year. What do you reckon's going on there?

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Speaker 2: Is that just people switching banks.

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Speaker 4: There's definitely some switching activity going on there. I think

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Speaker 4: it's very competitive for consumers in the home loan market,

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Speaker 4: although prices are subdued, there is some movement happening.

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Speaker 2: I need to ask you about the dreaded triple CFA legislation.

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Speaker 2: So I've heard that the government is going to roll

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Speaker 2: retrospective law. What have you heard.

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Speaker 4: Haven't heard that at all. But we are waiting on

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Speaker 4: the Select committee's report that will be coming back imminently

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Speaker 3: Yeah, with their recommendation.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's kind of hard for the government to

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Speaker 2: change the law retrospectively for just one bank, which is

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Speaker 4: in the future. I mean, this is really badly written

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Speaker 4: just left this anomaly with this four year period where

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Speaker 2: Is it possible could the government consider changing I mean,

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Speaker 2: you guys have a point obviously that the law does

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Speaker 4: Well, that there is potentially retrospective issues that we're not

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Speaker 3: And you know, all we're.

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Speaker 4: Asking is is that the law is consistent with the

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Speaker 4: And as the law is today, you know, it can

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Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Roger, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Roger Boumont, Chief executive of the New Zealand Banking Association.

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Speaker 2: By the way, what we were just talking about there

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Speaker 2: is the case of the Kei Wei, the class action.

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Speaker 2: The key we's taking class action lawsuits against A and

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Speaker 2: Z and ASB for things that happened in the past,

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Speaker 2: and ASB just settled last week for a hell of

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Speaker 2: Just a little updown on Hamas. So Hamas has apparently

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Speaker 2: started gun battles in Gaza City started shooting other clans

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Speaker 2: So they're trying to keep the peace apparently, but also

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Speaker 2: they're trying to reassert their own control. And you've got

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Speaker 2: footage of mass gunman shooting in alleyways and they're taking

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Speaker 2: and all kinds of stuff is going on there. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: to Roger Shanahan after five o'clock fourteen past four.

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Speaker 2: All right, so we late night email was sent last

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Speaker 2: night by the Maori Party, which the weirdest thing undermining

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Speaker 2: Darcy Watergrave Sports talk Hoosters with me, Hello, Dust.

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Speaker 7: It sounds like the plot's thittening more there than it

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Speaker 7: is a netball New Zealand.

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Speaker 8: Or they'll be going neck and neck right now, wouldn't they.

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Speaker 9: Jeez.

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Speaker 2: One is a lot of facts coming out and the

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Speaker 2: other one is no facts at all.

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Speaker 8: Nothing.

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Speaker 2: But now Gail Parazza has resigned.

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Speaker 7: Yes, selector's just going I can't do this. If you

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Speaker 7: jump on a Facebook page and take away look at

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Speaker 7: what she's written around the way, it's all falling apart.

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Speaker 7: And then she's thought that the coaches in New Zealand

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Speaker 8: This is not the way to run the netball.

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Speaker 7: We all know that it's pretty obvious, even though we

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Speaker 7: don't know the final detail. I think we can all say,

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Speaker 7: hand on heart, this has been managed so poorly by

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Speaker 7: Netball New Zealand and now girl's going I don't want

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Speaker 7: to be involved in this. I've been left in a

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Speaker 7: really difficult situation. I don't need to be here. This

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Speaker 7: is manifestly unfair. I am going Mark Foster, former a

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Speaker 7: Z championship coach, She's going to join me on the

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Speaker 7: program this evening up after seven o'clock. She's not going

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Speaker 7: to toss the coin now at the start of the

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Speaker 7: Constellation Cup as a way of saying, I'm with you,

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Speaker 7: Gail Prata. I think this is insane and slowly but

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Speaker 7: surely everything's piling up against Netball New Zealand and from

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Speaker 7: what I can gather, see again, I can't say any

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Speaker 7: of this on air officially because I don't know it's fair.

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Speaker 8: Say, but the situation that what.

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Speaker 7: Started was basically a tiny spark, It's all it was,

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Speaker 7: and it could have been extinguished reasonably fast, but it's

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Speaker 7: just accelerated, right.

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Speaker 2: She says, Who would step into a role now knowing

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Speaker 2: that one complaint, one misrepresentation, or one moment taken out

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Speaker 2: of context could end their career. Is that basically what

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Speaker 7: This is it, and it could have been dealt with

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sucks to be those players at some stage. Now,

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Speaker 7: I was listening to Mike Hosking and the great Mike Hosking.

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Speaker 8: Take a listen. I like this option. It's seven dollars.

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Speaker 8: Raighten bet responsibly. I like that.

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Speaker 7: I said, look at all these other favorites. This here

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Speaker 2: You put your money where you're mate, there's a chance.

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Speaker 7: Exactly what my daughter said me when I heard that

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Speaker 7: I step back, I lose. I'm particularly sorry. I just

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Speaker 2: At all? No, Darcy, it's good to talk to you, Okay,

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Speaker 2: looking forward to your show. Darcy water Graves SportsTalk Hoast.

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Speaker 2: He'll be back this evening at seven. It's full twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Heather dup c Ellen Drive with One New Zealand and

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Speaker 1: the Power of Satellite Mobile News Doorg said be.

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Speaker 2: Tory Faro is apparently considering joining the brain drain. Now

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Speaker 2: You know, she's got some schools to settle because she

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Speaker 2: Maori Party had a reset. How's that working out for them? Well?

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Speaker 2: Not well. So let me get you across what's happened.

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Speaker 2: So the situation blew up last night because the Maori

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Speaker 2: help her pay it back. Apparently she was paying Eru

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Speaker 2: per year. It's alleged also Eru allegedly abused security staff

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Speaker 2: on budget day. What happens, it's at Parliament. Now they've

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Speaker 2: got the loads of corporates have got this, loads of

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Speaker 2: officers have got this sitting you after you like swipe

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Speaker 2: your swipe card and then the little automatic gates opening,

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Speaker 2: apparently he tailgated somebody through, even though he seems to

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Speaker 2: started asking questions about and he blew up started swearing

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Speaker 2: at them, using phrases like effing white bald head sea bomb?

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Speaker 2: Do you know who I am? Do you know who

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Speaker 2: piece of shit. If you sea bomb, you aren't shit,

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Speaker 2: get ft, I will effing knock you out. Sound sounds cool,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it? Anyway, hasn't denied any of this, It's been

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Speaker 2: made public. The email also then claimed that he had

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Speaker 2: But then, because he's not stupid, he came back under

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Speaker 2: a different company name and thereby circumvented Parliamentary Services having

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Speaker 2: And also this kind of friendly fire of like just

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Speaker 2: quite a strange thing to see a party do. I

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Speaker 2: can't recall a time. I mean, usually it's done through

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Speaker 2: just like leaks. Not quite so outright anyway, Bryce Edwards,

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Speaker 2: you know political commentator will bear this after five o'clock,

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Speaker 2: explain where we go to from here with all of

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Speaker 2: this stuff? News is next.

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Speaker 1: Away the name you trust to get the answers you need.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather dupla clan drive with One New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else.

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Speaker 3: News talks.

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Speaker 6: They'd be.

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Speaker 2: Loving this debate, Arle and the exposure of the true

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Speaker 2: Mahrdi Party. Ha ha ha ha, says Jake. Well, if

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Speaker 2: you're loving that, Jake, you're going to love what Jerry

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Speaker 2: Brownlee has done as well. He has announced today that

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Speaker 2: he's basically introducing a crackdown on attendance records and dress

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Speaker 2: a remake of an historic photo set in I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Barry Sober will surely be loving this as well, and

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Speaker 2: he will be with us in ten minutes time right now,

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Speaker 2: twenty four away from five.

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on Youth Talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has promised that there will be peace in

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Speaker 2: the Middle East. He's spoken to the Israeli parliament and

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Speaker 9: From this moment forward, we can build a region that's

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Speaker 9: There are many other things in life.

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Speaker 2: They're so good, Benjamin and Yahoo has claimed victory after

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Speaker 2: the release of all of the hostages. Some Israeli protesters, though,

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Speaker 7: Okay, thirty two hostages were murdered in captivity.

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Speaker 2: Does that mean that his strategy worked. I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: And finally, luckily Rocky had delicious Taco Bell, Tacos Original Supreme,

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Speaker 2: A new study has found that Taco Bell runs the

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Speaker 2: quickest drive throughs in the USA. So what the researchers

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Speaker 2: did is they made one hundred and sixty five undercover

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Speaker 2: visits to each of the thirteen fast food brands to

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 1: for New Zealand Business Murray.

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Speaker 2: Old Ossi correspondents with us Allo Mars.

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Speaker 6: Very good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Do you know Elbow's number?

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Speaker 9: No?

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Speaker 6: Look, he hasn't given it to me. I've been on

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Speaker 6: is like d Trump. So Donald Trump will have it.

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Speaker 6: I dare say Siki Istama will have it and sundry

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Speaker 6: other world leaders. But he hasn't given it to Old Mozza.

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Speaker 8: I'm afraid than Kevin.

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Speaker 2: How today I get it?

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Speaker 8: Well?

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Speaker 6: AI, here's the thing. It was scraped off the internet,

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Speaker 6: you've rung Anthony alban Easy, please leave him osage. So

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Speaker 6: if it's right, it's fantastic. But I mean, I'm sure

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Speaker 6: he's not that thrilled. And how the world leaders wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Who are we taking issue with? Are we taking issue

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Speaker 2: Because the AI business should surely have some guardrails in

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Speaker 6: That's for boating over here. I mean people are terrified

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Speaker 6: university is howling because all the students are churning out

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Speaker 6: the same rubbish based on AI. No one's going to

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Speaker 6: the library anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, when was the last time you went to

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Speaker 2: the library? Muss?

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Speaker 6: When I was studying a university, university the library all

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Speaker 6: the time, when it wasn't of the cafe are at the.

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Speaker 2: Bar, I can't remember the last time I went to

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Speaker 2: the library. That's a shocker. That makes you embarrassed by that.

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Speaker 2: Susan Lee, how's it going for her? Not so good?

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Speaker 6: Not good, not good. But there's an interesting take on this.

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Speaker 6: I mean, here you go, right, the performance rating of

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Speaker 6: Susan Lee has crashed, just dives, absolute swan dive from

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Speaker 6: plus nine to minus five in just one month. It's

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Speaker 6: so pronounced that her personal rating has just plunged. It's

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Speaker 6: so pronounced it's almost good news. That two party preferred,

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Speaker 6: the Coalition and Labor are remained unchanged. Labour's on fifty five,

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Speaker 6: the Coalition forty five. Now the Coalition primary vote because

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Speaker 6: over here we've got you know, as you know, you've

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Speaker 6: got preferential voting. The people who would say yes, they

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Speaker 6: would get my top vote. The coalition, the Liberal Party

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Speaker 6: of the National Party, that's sneaked up one point to

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Speaker 6: twenty eight percent. Now you wouldn't win a raffle with that,

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Speaker 6: never mind an election. But these he's got a week off,

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Speaker 6: got his feet up. He's just getting ready to meet

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump next week. He's enjoying his holiday. Susan Lee

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Speaker 6: rated good or very good by thirty three percent of people.

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Speaker 6: Thirty seven percent say Paul are very poor, the balance undecided.

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Speaker 6: Conservative opponents are going to be licking their lips. The

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Speaker 6: people like Andrew Hasty and Angus what's his name, Angus

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Speaker 6: Taylor over here. But here's the thing, they'll be absolutely mad,

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Speaker 6: mad to try and get rid of Susan Lee. Now,

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Speaker 6: I mean, she's probably the only bright light they've got.

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Speaker 6: You look across the opposition front bench. You've got a

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Speaker 6: bunch of a bunch of stone faced fellows in blue suits,

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Speaker 6: all of them hate each other. Just crazy.

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Speaker 2: How's it going with the poverty It doesn't look too good, terrible.

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Speaker 6: He figures out from the Australian Council of Social Service

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Speaker 6: say the number of people living in poverty every week

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Speaker 6: has increased to one and seven one and six children.

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Speaker 6: By the way, that's seven hundred and fifty thousand children

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Speaker 6: over here living in poverty in total three point seven

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Speaker 6: million Australians and that's nearly well, it's just over fourteen

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Speaker 6: percent of the population now. The poverty rate as devised

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Speaker 6: by ACOS, it's based on some of the United Nations equation.

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Speaker 6: It's defined as half the median national income and that

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Speaker 6: works out in around five hundred and forty dollars Australian

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Speaker 6: a week over here now. And it's just it's just

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Speaker 6: nowhere near enough. I mean, why rents are through the

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Speaker 6: roof unemployment picking up the rate of welfare support payments

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Speaker 6: according to the Council of Social Services, just pathetic. The

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Speaker 6: report found from June twenty one to June twenty three,

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Speaker 6: the median advertised rent for units up forty percent in Sydney,

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Speaker 6: thirty five percent in Melbourne, forty one percent in Brisbane.

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Speaker 6: Wages aren't keeping pace, never mind welfare payments. I mean

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Speaker 6: at the bottom end, they are struggling and it's getting

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Speaker 6: harder and harder.

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Speaker 2: Yeah too, right, sounds like it. Murray, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: As always, Murray Australia correspondent. Eighteen away from.

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Speaker 3: Five here the duplessy Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Can you put money on Matt Payne? Winning seven dollars

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Speaker 2: would be a good bet, he thought, But then after

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Speaker 2: practice six they blew out to twenty three dollars, so

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Speaker 2: he's up six hundred and ninety dollars. Got on yet, Keith.

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Speaker 2: Now Erica Stanford and the reforms yesterday, all the results

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Speaker 2: of the reforms yesterday, the results of the structured of literacy,

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Speaker 2: which is sort of phonics plus plus. Anyway, what she

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Speaker 2: is doing here is something that the UK actually did

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Speaker 2: about fifteen years ago. And the guy who did it

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Speaker 2: as a chap called Nick Gibb, who we've spoken to

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Speaker 2: on the show before, he was the schools minister at

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Speaker 2: the time of the UK doing it. He's just written

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Speaker 2: in an opinion piece basically praising Erica. He says, I

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Speaker 2: know how hard reform is. As schools minister in the

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Speaker 2: UK for ten years, I was part of a team

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Speaker 2: that introduced wholesale change to England's schools between twenty ten

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Speaker 2: and twenty twenty three. I thought we'd moved fast, but

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Speaker 2: by year two we had not delivered the scale of

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Speaker 2: reform that has so successfully been implemented in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: What New Zealand's government has achieved in such a short

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Speaker 2: space of time is extraordinary reforms to reading, maths and

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Speaker 2: the introduction of a knowledge rich curriculum. What we did

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Speaker 2: led England to rise to fourth in the world in

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Speaker 2: one of the reading surveys that's up for tenth from

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Speaker 2: tenth in twenty eleven. I have no doubt that New

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Speaker 2: Zealand will see a similar ranking rise in the years ahead.

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Speaker 2: And more importantly, as a result of the reforms, millions

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Speaker 2: of New Zealand children will become better and more fluent

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Speaker 2: readers earlier in their career. The education reform is rarely

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Speaker 2: seen as the most glamorous part of a government's program,

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Speaker 2: but it is the most significant driver of the future

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Speaker 2: success of a nation and the well being of its people.

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Speaker 2: How true is that? And what high praise from a

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Speaker 2: guy who tried to do it himself? Sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five politics with centric credit, check your customers and get

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Speaker 1: payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Apparently we score as a New Zealand we score at

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Speaker 2: three point three out of five. As a place to die.

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Speaker 2: We will deal with that in half an hour's time.

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Speaker 2: Right now, it is fourteen away from five and Barries Soper,

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Speaker 2: Senior political Correspondence with US. Hello, Barry, did you make.

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Speaker 11: That announcement just because I was to do with you?

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Speaker 2: But you do sound like you're dying.

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Speaker 8: Right, a bit of a croaky voice.

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Speaker 2: But now I know what's wrong with you is you

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Speaker 2: just went for a long lunch and you not No,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't correct along with Booze. I wasn't suggesting booze.

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Speaker 2: But it was a longer than normal lunch. He's talked

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Speaker 2: a lot.

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Speaker 11: I did talk a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yes, what I've heard, Yeah, okay. Anyway, so what do

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Speaker 2: you make of Jerry cracking down on Parliament?

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, clearly he's had enough, hasn't he? The

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Speaker 11: standards in Parliament they've certainly been slipping. We've talked about

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Speaker 11: it on this program many a time. Began with Trevor

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Speaker 11: Mallard and he relaxed the dress code in Parliament. Now

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Speaker 11: they're wearing T shirts, they're wearing sneakers, they're wearing jeans,

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Speaker 11: I mean, honestly, and don't forget the way that Mallard

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Speaker 11: treated the protesters. Barry Manilow and has put the sprays

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Speaker 11: on the front of the parliamentary lawn. Last Thursday's a

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Speaker 11: speech by maiden speech by Areny Kuiper that essentially broke

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Speaker 11: the camel's back for Jerry. There'd been an agreement with

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Speaker 11: the Maldi party that the speech and why Arta would

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Speaker 11: last no longer than fifteen minutes, which is the longest

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Speaker 11: you ever have a maiden speech. For well, that went

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Speaker 11: well over toy minutes and the bell was ringing all

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Speaker 11: the time, So they can thank themselves the Mauldi party

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Speaker 11: that Brown is now going to try and tighten the rule.

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Speaker 12: Last Thursday's engagement from the gallery could have been accommodated

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Speaker 12: if already Kuipra had stuck to the Business Committee decision.

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Speaker 12: Choosing to ignore that turns celebration into disruption. More than

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Speaker 12: that a highlights of practice and at times iny equitable parliament.

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Speaker 12: While I firmly believe the atmosphere in Parliament is the

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Speaker 12: business of its members and that standing orders should accommodate

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Speaker 12: good humor and reasonable banter, it's my intention that from

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Speaker 12: this point I will more critically apply the limited measures

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Speaker 12: available to a speaker to ensure greater respect to show

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Speaker 12: and from members one to the other, and to the

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Speaker 12: dignity of the House and the processes of the House

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Speaker 12: are upheld Later this afternoon, I intend engaging the Business

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Speaker 12: Committee on changes to attendance records, to dress standards and

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Speaker 12: to leave provisions.

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Speaker 11: I think that's excellent and about time, and the attendance

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Speaker 11: standards that'll go down like a hot billow or a

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Speaker 11: coup culture than with the Maori Party, There's no doubt

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Speaker 11: about that.

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Speaker 2: Because but I'm going to take what he's doing because

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Speaker 2: because what ord Any Kuiper it did wrong had nothing

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Speaker 2: to do with attendance records and nothing to do with

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Speaker 2: the way that she was dressed. She was actually dress

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Speaker 2: perfectly fine, right, So he is cracking a completely different

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Speaker 2: nut to the one that he's complaining of.

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Speaker 11: He's talking about basically standards in Parliament that have been

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Speaker 11: slipping now for some years and they really have to

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Speaker 11: be restored.

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Speaker 8: And that's what he's talking about.

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Speaker 11: And that was an example of the standard slipping when

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Speaker 11: Kuyper went off on her own and did her own thing.

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Speaker 2: But it's clearly designed to target the Marori Party, isn't it?

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Speaker 8: Absolutely performative point the question.

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Speaker 2: For you why didn't he do this ages ago? Because

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Speaker 2: this was evidently a problem ages ago.

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Speaker 11: It's a good it's a good question, but it really

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Speaker 11: had to be done.

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Speaker 2: I mean it really. It feels like trying to trying

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Speaker 2: to shut the barn door when the horse was already bolted.

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Speaker 11: Well, i'll tell you what, the horse baults again. They

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Speaker 11: might be bolting out the exit.

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Speaker 2: All right, So what do you what does Winston have

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Speaker 2: to say about the Middle East?

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Speaker 11: Well, the Foreign Minister, Winston Peters, he got a question

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Speaker 11: on developments on the Middle East and wasted no time

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Speaker 11: in pointing the finger.

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Speaker 13: The silence over the past week from some of the

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Speaker 13: so called pro Palestinian protesters around this country has been

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Speaker 13: absolutely deafening. For two years, they've rented and raved and

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Speaker 13: fumed and fulminated about the situation in Gaza. They have

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Speaker 13: the mandy that we do more, give more, say more,

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Speaker 13: and virtue signal more. And then over the past week,

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Speaker 13: as a peace deal has been struck, adios a megos,

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Speaker 13: as a ceasefire has taken hold, Adios to war and

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Speaker 13: welcome to peace from them. Not a mutter, not a murmur,

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Speaker 13: not a civil not a sound. Anti Americanism or any

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Speaker 13: other sentiments is of no value when you're concerned about peace,

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Speaker 13: and particularly if you're some arrogant twitter arrived here five

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Speaker 13: months ago, it doesn't give a concern about this country's

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Speaker 13: initiative and his peace over the years.

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Speaker 11: So who is referring to? There was an interjector, Ricardo

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Speaker 11: Mendez March who came of course from Mexico.

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Speaker 8: That was the adios.

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Speaker 2: Well, he makes a good point, doesn't he. That is

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Speaker 2: it is just radio silence from the people who've got

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Speaker 2: exactly what they wanted, which is an end to the piece.

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Speaker 11: Well, the thing that interested me that the Labor Party,

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Speaker 11: the Green's Party, the Maldi Party, who have been on

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Speaker 11: their feet all the time about the Middle East and

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Speaker 11: Palestine and blah blah. Not one question they could have

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Speaker 11: asked it today of Winston Peters, not one question came.

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Speaker 8: From those quarters.

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Speaker 2: Just quickly. Jim Bolger's not well.

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Speaker 9: Well.

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Speaker 11: Just before I leave Winston, he's speaking the Oxford Union

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Speaker 11: debate the end of next week has been announced to it.

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Speaker 11: But I've got that on good authority, thank you, and

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Speaker 11: very sadly. Jim Bolger, of course led this country for

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Speaker 11: some considerable time in the nineties. He's in the Pelliate

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Speaker 11: of kir Ward now in Wellington Hospital and his family

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Speaker 11: has been summoned. So you know, he was a very

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Speaker 11: entertaining character and a good man to deal with when

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Speaker 11: he was the Prime Minister and I was a working

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Speaker 11: journi then.

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Speaker 2: And your voice sounded a lot like it does today.

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Speaker 8: Yes, it does.

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Speaker 2: It would have thanked appreciate it very so for senior

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Speaker 2: political correspondent. Eight away from.

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Speaker 1: Five, the headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic

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Speaker 1: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 10: In Jerusalem is back with this? Has today been the

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Speaker 10: easy part? In other words, does piece hold? Is the

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Speaker 10: war really over? Do they rebuild Gaza? Is the a

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Speaker 10: gonna flow? And all the other questions.

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Speaker 14: President Trump has put the full weight of his office

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Speaker 14: behind this. Deal is very significant and it's taken a while,

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Speaker 14: but he really has shown that together with Katar in

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Speaker 14: Egypt and and the other media mediators, he can push

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Speaker 14: them all to make a deal. So yes, for the

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Speaker 14: first time, there is hope, a hopeful feeling in the air.

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Speaker 3: But you can never tell.

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Speaker 10: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 10: Mayley's Real Estate News Talk Zi.

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Speaker 2: B Heather ordiny Kai. But I had bare feed, so

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Speaker 2: it wasn't fine. That's from Colin Fairpoint.

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Speaker 6: Here.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see the feet, actually, I just saw a

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Speaker 2: shot from the sort of knees upwards here, the bloody brilliant.

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Speaker 2: I was just saying last week that Jerry needed to

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Speaker 2: grow a pair of balls. Discipline and tax standards. Our

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Speaker 2: taxes are paying for these clowns. Yeah, I don't. I

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Speaker 2: don't think anybody's going to have a problem with them

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Speaker 2: imposing these rules. Are we four away from five? Now?

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Speaker 2: On the Eru Kappa kingy thing right him abusing the

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Speaker 2: security staffer allegedly this is what the security staff has written.

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Speaker 2: I think this is weird, but you tell me what

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Speaker 2: you think. Eru multiple times referred to redacted name as

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Speaker 2: an efin white bald head sea bomb brackets. The use

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Speaker 2: of the term bald head in New Zealand is a

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Speaker 2: derogatory term towards white people, associating them with the far

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Speaker 2: right neo Nazi regime and basically calling them a racist

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Speaker 2: in the worst possible way. Essentially, it can be compared

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Speaker 2: to someone using the N word to describe a person

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Speaker 2: color Is it?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like this security staff has gone

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Speaker 2: out on the limb. I don't I don't think calling

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Speaker 2: somebody a white bald head is calling someone a racist,

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Speaker 2: is it? I mean, it's just it's literally sometimes a

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Speaker 2: description of what's going on around your face. What Edu

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Speaker 2: Kappa KINGI did is bad enough. I mean three, you know,

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Speaker 2: doing the whole like do you know who I am?

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Speaker 2: You're gonna hate it. When you know who I am,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna punch you out. Then a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: swears that is bad enough without having to pretend that

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Speaker 2: what he's done is somehow the equivalent to calling a

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Speaker 2: white person the N word. But anyway, tell me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. Nine two ninety two is the text number.

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Speaker 2: Hither one hundred and forty one hostages were released under Biden,

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Speaker 2: and there was a ceasefire in place that was supposed

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Speaker 2: to be permanent. Listen, what, Yes, there were more hostages

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Speaker 2: released under Biden. That's a fair point to make. But

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Speaker 2: Biden did not release the last of the hostages. It's

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Speaker 2: the last that matter the most because it ends the thing. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: We're off to have a chat about exactly this, what

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Speaker 2: happens next, what Hamas is up to now, shooting around

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Speaker 2: Gaza City, whether the peace will last? Roger Shanahan, who

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Speaker 2: used to be an Australian Army officer and obviously two

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Speaker 2: commentators with US next on that News.

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Speaker 13: Talks B.

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Speaker 3: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather duperic Ellen drive with one New Zealand coverage

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Speaker 1: like no one else.

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Speaker 3: News Talks B.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. Donald Trump has promised a new age of peace

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Speaker 2: in the Middle East. After the successful return of the

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Speaker 2: twenty remaining living hostages, he and some other world leaders

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Speaker 2: have signed a document ending the war in Gaza. The

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Speaker 2: agreement requires HUMMAS members in Gaza to disarm and make

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Speaker 2: way for a temporary Palestinian governing committee.

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Speaker 15: Now.

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Speaker 2: Roger Shanahan is a former former Army officer and a

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Speaker 2: Middle East analyst and with US Hi Roger Hi, how

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Speaker 2: and well, thank you? Do you think that there will

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Speaker 2: be lasting piece as a result of this?

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Speaker 5: I think we probably have to temper our expectations. Certainly

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Speaker 5: there's a good chance of peace in Gaza, but broader

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Speaker 5: Middle East still the foundational elements that make it politically

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Speaker 5: unstable are still there. This peace agreement doesn't really do

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Speaker 5: much about that.

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Speaker 2: How can you be confident there will be peace in Gaza?

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Speaker 16: Well?

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Speaker 5: More confident. I think there's a sense of exhaustion after

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Speaker 5: two years. Both sides really want to go back to

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Speaker 5: their corners and take stock about the next steps. Hamas

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Speaker 5: has been severely degraded, but not defeated, and Israel will

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Speaker 5: be looking to relieve itself as a burden of having

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Speaker 5: to continually mobilize its reserve population for military operations and

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Speaker 5: also try and repair its international reputation.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of Humas firing in Gaza City?

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Speaker 2: Is this them trying to assert their dominance again?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, listen, I think so. There's an inevitable vacuum after

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Speaker 5: Israeli troops withdrew to their first Phase one lines within Gaza.

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Speaker 5: There's no international stabilization force yet in place, and so

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Speaker 5: order is being restored, if you want, by the strongest

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Speaker 5: party at the moment, and that remains hummus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and how will it always remain hummus? Or is

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Speaker 2: there a chance that somebody else comes up here and

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Speaker 2: challenges them?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's a good question, and I think what

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Speaker 5: we're seeing at the moment is hummus ensuring that in

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Speaker 5: the short term, at least nobody else is going to

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Speaker 5: come and try and assert their authority. It's going to

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Speaker 5: be much more complex when this new stabilization force and

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Speaker 5: the governing authority whatever that looks like, comes into power,

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Speaker 5: and what role if any Hamas or a Hummas two

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Speaker 5: point zero are going to play.

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Speaker 2: Now, as you've indicated, we can't be sure at all

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Speaker 2: that this piece is necessarily going to last. But to

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Speaker 2: the point at which it's got to, right with the

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Speaker 2: release of the living hostages and peace at the moment

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Speaker 2: and AID going in, is that enough to qualify Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump for a Nobel Peace Prize?

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Speaker 5: Listen, I think he'd probably be one of the people considered.

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Speaker 5: But you have to look at persons overall makeup and

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Speaker 5: contribution to peace. Certainly, there are other players involved in

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Speaker 5: this peace process. Certainly it wouldn't have got over the

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Speaker 5: line unless President Trump was there. But we also have

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Speaker 5: to understand that the US was heavily backing Israel in

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Speaker 5: a conflict as well. US also bond Iranian territory, and

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Speaker 5: so does that negate from the positives from the signing

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Speaker 5: of this peace agreement? I think that'll be up to

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Speaker 5: the Nobel Prize committee twelve months time.

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Speaker 2: And possibly whether they like him or not. Roger, Thanks

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Speaker 2: very much. Roger Shanahan, former army officer in Afganistan and

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Speaker 2: a Middle East analyst. It's eleven past.

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Speaker 3: Five together, do for c Allen.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 2: The Maori Party saga's blown up even more last night.

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Speaker 2: The party sent out a late night email accusing their

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Speaker 2: MP Muddy a mental Kapa Kingi, of being on track

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Speaker 2: to overspend her parliamentary budget by one hundred and thirty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars. The email also alleged that her son Edu

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Speaker 2: Kapa Kingi, who's the founder of the toy Tuo Te

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Speaker 2: Tarti movement, verbally abused parliamentary security staff and was trespassed

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Speaker 2: from parliamentary grounds. Now neither of them have directly responded

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Speaker 2: to the allegations. Bryce Edwards is the director of the

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Speaker 2: Integrity Institute and with us Now, hey, Bryce, hi, heither

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Speaker 2: this is weird, isn't.

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Speaker 3: It to have?

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Speaker 2: I mean, you have friendly fire in parties, but often

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Speaker 2: it's through leaks rather than just outright like this isn't it?

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Speaker 6: Oh?

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Speaker 16: This just shows how deep and bitter those factions are

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Speaker 16: and the degree of feeling that you can have an

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Speaker 16: email like this sent out at ten pm on a

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Speaker 16: Monday night, which is a real payback. This is from

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Speaker 16: the leadership against the MPs in question. So yeah, this

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Speaker 16: is a bit of a meltdown.

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Speaker 2: Are there rules bryce about employing your own family you know,

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Speaker 2: if you're using taxpayer money like shares.

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Speaker 16: There should be I mean they have some soft rules

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Speaker 16: about it, they're not hard rules that you're supposed to

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Speaker 16: only hire family members if you can't find someone better, basically,

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Speaker 16: which isn't much of a rule. So that's what's happened here.

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Speaker 16: And of course it's only come to light through a

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Speaker 16: leak that there were family members employed, and only after

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Speaker 16: there was this person was essentially fired because of these

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Speaker 16: alleged bad behave so yeah, it's pretty it's pretty amazing.

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Speaker 16: It's also a case that, as far as understand, the

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Speaker 16: employee was also an officeholder in the party, which is

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Speaker 16: also normally not allowed. Parliamentary staff aren't allowed to be

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Speaker 16: paid to carry out party functions. They're there for parliamentary functions.

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Speaker 16: They're not supposed to be electioneering, and that's pretty much

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Speaker 16: what Aero kept Acoming was doing. So yeah, it's right.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So then who should be investigating this?

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Speaker 16: Well, I think Parliamentary Service will be carrying out some

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Speaker 16: sort of investigation, but of course they are run by

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Speaker 16: the MPs essentially, and so we probably need an outside

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Speaker 16: independent person coming into clear all this up, because it

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Speaker 16: does look like there's been a lot of misuse of

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Speaker 16: taxpaths funding and used for party purposes. And in the

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Speaker 16: past the Orders of General has taken a great interest

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Speaker 16: in this, so I think with about two thousand and

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Speaker 16: six the Orders of General came in and looked at

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Speaker 16: some of the ways that the politicians we're using taxpayer

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Speaker 16: money to essentially electionnere and that's what seems to have

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Speaker 16: happened here. Yeah, probably good time for the Orders General

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Speaker 16: to come back in.

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Speaker 2: Quite Bryce, thank you, it's good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate it. This Bryce Edwards, who is the director

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Speaker 2: of the Integrity.

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Speaker 3: Institute whatever DUP clan.

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Speaker 2: Finally, jeez, finally, we've waited so long for this. We

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Speaker 2: have the name of the company that we've chosen to

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Speaker 2: build our fairies, and it is the Guangzhou Shipping International Company,

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Speaker 2: the largest, as Winston says, the largest modern integrated ship

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Speaker 2: building enterprise in Southern China. So that's good. And now

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Speaker 2: we're still negotiating with them. Obviously, Ferry Holdings Limited, the

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Speaker 2: company that's supposed to buy the Fairies on our behalf,

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Speaker 2: are still negotiating with them, so we have no other details.

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Speaker 2: The details will be announced in December, but it has

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Speaker 2: been reiterated that the two Fairies will be arriving in

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Speaker 2: four years time, so at least we know that news

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Speaker 2: talk zby Now you know I've been driving a BYD

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Speaker 2: for the last while and braving about it, And if

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Speaker 2: you've been reading about BYD, it's possible that you're actually

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Speaker 2: very impressed by what you're reading, because just last week

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Speaker 2: it was revealed that BYD is now selling so many

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Speaker 2: of their cars into the UK that the UK is

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Speaker 2: now their second biggest market outside of China. Now the

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Speaker 2: good news for us as they're about to launch four

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Speaker 2: new vehicles here, the Atto one, the Atto two, the

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Speaker 2: c Line five and the Sea Line eight. They're gonna

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Speaker 2: land in New Zealand early next year. Now, if you

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Speaker 2: want to hatch to drive around the city, that's ya

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Speaker 2: Atto one. You want yourself a compact suv, that's ya

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Speaker 2: Atto two, mid sized suv getting a bit bigger here,

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Speaker 2: mid size suv that's your c Lion five. And then

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Speaker 2: if you want a big old suv with seven seats,

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Speaker 2: that's your c Lion eight. It's got the DMI plugin,

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Speaker 2: it's got the hybrid blending the bold exterior styling with

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Speaker 2: the refined, tech forward interior. Just basically it's a really

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Speaker 2: flash car and it's a really flash EV. Now that's

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Speaker 2: on top of the six vehicles. So the four they're

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Speaker 2: releasing next year's top of the six vehicles they've already

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Speaker 2: have in the range. Definitely, you're going to find something

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Speaker 2: for everyone in there, so check it out. Hit them

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Speaker 2: up online byd auto dot co dot MZ Heather do

874
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Speaker 2: for Sea Allen here the Chippy needs to rule out

875
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: the Maori party, Ben, I think many of us agree

876
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 2: with you on that. It's eighteen past five now. By

877
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 2: the way, there is some data taxpayer Union Curier polling

878
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: that I think should alarm all of us which indicates

879
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: that about one in seven of us thinks violence is

880
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 2: okay if you use it to get the country back

881
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: on track. We will discuss that after half past five

882
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 2: right now, though, turns out New Zealand is a three

883
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 2: out of five star place to die. This is data

884
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 2: from Hospice New Zealand. They got dying people in their

885
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 2: cares to give reviews on the services that they're interacted with.

886
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 2: The best was restaurants at four and a half out

887
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 2: of five stars, and the worst government agencies at two

888
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: out of two and a half out of five stars.

889
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: Wayne Naylor is the CEO of Hospice New Zealand with

890
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 2: US high WAYN Hi here, how are you? I'm well?

891
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: Thank you? Why did restaurants school so highly?

892
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 17: I well, based on the reviews, the people week in

893
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 17: hospitality would more often than not go out of their

894
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,640
Speaker 17: way to be helpful, friendly and accommodating for people. I

895
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 17: think that's generally what we expect from hospitality and that's

896
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 17: certainly what came through in the reviews.

897
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 2: And then why do government department school so badly?

898
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 17: Well, again, based on the reviews, it's that it was impersonal.

899
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 17: It was bureaucratic. People had to go in person to

900
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 17: sign documents or they were faced with a digital wall

901
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 17: that stopped them from doing things, and it was just difficult.

902
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 17: And when they're tired, unwell or grieving, the last thing

903
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 17: you need is just more complication when you're trying to

904
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 17: sort things out and.

905
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: Go in person to sign what kind of documents?

906
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 17: Right, there's a good example of someone having to literally

907
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 17: be taken out of their death bed, put into a car,

908
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 17: taken to get a signature, then had to get taken

909
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 17: to a bank because the only way to do it

910
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 17: was to have an in person on paper signature. And

911
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,959
Speaker 17: there's another story at the other end of the scale

912
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 17: where the bank went to the person's house and did

913
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 17: the work with them. Then that was your so that

914
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 17: everyone was in a place of comfort and it was

915
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 17: a great experience. So you know, and the review shows many,

916
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 17: if not all, of these organizations businesses are reviewed, could

917
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 17: be at either end of the scale.

918
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:14,760
Speaker 2: And it was it two different banks.

919
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Speaker 17: There's I mean, people reported across a range of banks,

920
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 17: so we haven't got just one bank and the same

921
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 17: bank could have a five star rating and a one

922
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 17: star rating. And it really came down to the person

923
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 17: who was in front of the other unwell person, how

924
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 17: they interacted, What.

925
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: Do we take away from this, what do we do

926
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Speaker 2: about it?

927
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Speaker 17: So it's a great opportunity for a whole range of businesses, organizations,

928
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Speaker 17: agencies to look at the reviews find out what great

929
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 17: looks like when you're dealing with someone who's dying and

930
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 17: someone who's grieving or someone who's so busy caring that

931
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 17: it's everything's a trial and learn from what's not gone well,

932
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 17: and also learned from the things that people have said

933
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,319
Speaker 17: we're great, so that we can change the experience people

934
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 17: who are dying in New Zealand and the people caring

935
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,720
Speaker 17: for them to make it so much better as society

936
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,439
Speaker 17: can do way better than what there are is show.

937
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: Wayne, it's good to talk to you. I really appreciate it.

938
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: Wayne Naylor, CEO of Hospice New Zealand. Heather, I hope

939
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: the ships that were buying off the Chinese are better

940
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 2: than the trains that we brought off the Chinese. Me too,

941
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Speaker 2: Russell five twenty one on.

942
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: Your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in your

943
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 1: car on your drive home, it's Heather duper c Ellen

944
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: Drive with one New Zealand and the power of satellite

945
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: mobile news talks, they'd be.

946
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 2: It's five twenty four. As I said, we're going to

947
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: talk about violence and politics shortly. Let me tell you, though,

948
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: I am praying that this economy turns around quickly and

949
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 2: starts humming again, because I'm really worried about those brain

950
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: drain numbers that we're seeing forty eight thousand, kiwis that

951
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: is how many left left this country to go live

952
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: somewhere else in the year to August. Now, what I

953
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 2: find really weird about this is that we're not really

954
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: freaking out about it. Because you think back to two

955
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: thousand and seven, two thousand and eight, the numbers were similar,

956
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 2: but we really freaked out so much back then. Remember

957
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: John Key ran his election campaign on turning the brain

958
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 2: drain around. Remember he sat in the Caketon in Wellington.

959
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: He did the TV ad where he said the number

960
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: of people leaving to Australia could fill the stadium and

961
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: he would stop it from happening and so on. So

962
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: explain to me, Howard is that in two thousand and seven,

963
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: two thousand and eight we freak out about it enough

964
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 2: for that to be an election campaign, but we don't

965
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 2: freak out about it as much today. I heard a

966
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 2: guy talking about this the other day. I reckon I

967
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: would put him in his early sixties. He was saying

968
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 2: his two daughters are living in garages in Wellington. They've

969
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: both got really good degrees, but they can't find jobs

970
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 2: because the job market is just so tight. It has

971
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: now got to the point where he called them both

972
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: up and said it's time for them to try Australia.

973
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 2: And he told them if they go over there and

974
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 2: if they start families over there, he and their mother

975
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,719
Speaker 2: would follow them over And when he said this, he

976
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 2: actually got a bit misty eyed, because that's a big

977
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: thing to do when you are when you have, when

978
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 2: you've lived in a place like New Zealand, as long

979
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: as you have that you've established a career. It's your home,

980
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 2: it's where you've been born. You decide that. And yet

981
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: what early sixties, you're going to move to another country

982
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 2: near the penchin Age. That is an incredibly scary thing

983
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: to do. That's what a lot of people are doing.

984
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: I mean, Annie King and her husband live there now

985
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 2: and that's because that's where the grandkids are. This is

986
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: what is happening. I worry about this because this is

987
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: what Paul Spoonley calls the hollowing out of New Zealand.

988
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: It's the stuff that we watch happened to the small

989
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 2: Pacific islands where their brightest kids move to New Zealand

990
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: and Australia to have a good life. That is now

991
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 2: happening to us and those kids that we are talking

992
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 2: about leaving New Zealand and now taking their wider families

993
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,840
Speaker 2: with them too. What worries me is that the reason

994
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 2: we're not freaking out about it like we did back

995
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: in two thousand and seven, in two thousand and eight,

996
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 2: is that, just like those smaller Pacific islands, we now

997
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 2: think this is completely normal.

998
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 3: Just together do for Sea Allen Ah, I.

999
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: Got another interesting mayor to talk to you, to tell

1000
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: you about. So this one is Dunedin's new mayor. Sophie

1001
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 2: Barker fifty eight years old. Grew up in Larnark Castle.

1002
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: Not a lot of people can say that. Her parents

1003
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 2: bought Larnak Castle in nineteen sixty seven to renovate it.

1004
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: And you know, as always happens with the renovation, it

1005
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 2: wasn't quick, so it took them a very long time

1006
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of rain coming through through

1007
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 2: the roof while she was growing up. She's a single mum,

1008
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 2: she's got a daughter studying at Otago University. She has

1009
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: what three brain surgeries I think in her early forties

1010
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: and still alive to tell the story. She had a

1011
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: plan B if she didn't win the mayoralty, she was

1012
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: going to open a cat cafe, so you know people

1013
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 2: are interested in need and aren't they Anyway, she says,

1014
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: becoming mayor is not going to stop her shopping at

1015
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: Pack and Safe because she has Scottish Presbyterian heritage. She

1016
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: loves a bargain and she is frugal and as somebody

1017
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: else with Scottish Presbyterian heritage. Boy, I love that, and

1018
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 2: you know what, I think Dunedan's going to love that,

1019
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 2: because what do you want in a mayor? Yep, someone

1020
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: with very short arms of long pockets. Right, Let's talk

1021
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 2: about the political violence next, and then we have the

1022
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 2: Hubble news talks.

1023
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: They'd be in the cutting through the noise to get

1024
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: the facts. It's Heather do for cy Ellen drive with

1025
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: one New Zealand coverage like no one else news talk

1026
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: said me.

1027
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 2: Heather, a single cat lady in charge with Duneda and

1028
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: what could possibly go wrong? Thank you Steven. Here the baldhead,

1029
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I forgot to tell you this. I'm getting

1030
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 2: so many texts on what I said about the bald head.

1031
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: I feel I appear to be on the wrong side

1032
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 2: of opinion on this.

1033
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 9: Heather.

1034
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 2: Baldhead is a racist term, especially in the UK. Bob

1035
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 2: Marley released a song in the seventies called We're Gonna

1036
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: chase those crazy bald heads out of town. Roddy, thank you.

1037
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 2: This is all new to me. I didn't realize, didn't

1038
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 2: realize it was a thing. Anyway, I've got to tell

1039
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: you about what are in New Zealand's up to, because

1040
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 2: were gonna talk to them after six o'clock. But we'll

1041
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 2: get to that in attack in the huddle standing by,

1042
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:40,120
Speaker 2: it's twenty four away from sex Heather. First of all, though,

1043
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: a worrying stat has emerged from the latest Taxpayers Union

1044
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 2: Curier poll, which is that fourteen percent of people one

1045
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 2: in seven of us, agree that New Zealanders may have

1046
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 2: to resort to violence to get the country back on track.

1047
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 6: Now.

1048
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: The sentiment was strongest among act Party supporters and Maori

1049
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: Party supporters. Catherine Dalla Hunt is a former MP and

1050
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 2: she's with us now, Hi, Catherine high there Suter. Does

1051
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 2: this worry you?

1052
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 18: Well? The country has got a lot of violence in

1053
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 18: it already, so of course it worries me. What worries

1054
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,400
Speaker 18: me is like one in three women experienced domestic violence

1055
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 18: in this country, and we've had a shooting of fifty

1056
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 18: one people, and so clearly that we're resorting to violence

1057
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 18: as part of our daily lives. And I am interested

1058
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 18: in the poll though, because it's like, why would people

1059
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 18: Why are the supporters thinking this when they've got the

1060
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,880
Speaker 18: Deputy Prime Minister as their leader, they've got access to power,

1061
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,880
Speaker 18: and why do they think we need violence to get

1062
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 18: back on tracks? As you know, they they've got people

1063
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 18: in power who are supposedly getting us back on track.

1064
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 18: But I think it's I think it's the sign of deepening,

1065
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,359
Speaker 18: deepening inequality right now that some people are really really

1066
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 18: frustrated and feel really excluded from our society in terms

1067
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 18: of it of the things in life that actually make

1068
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 18: you feel part of that society. And so some of

1069
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 18: those people might be feeling frustrated. Question to me is not,

1070
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 18: you know, is this what the what is the cause

1071
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 18: of this? What are the causes for why different people

1072
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 18: in different sectors of society, people is different as the

1073
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 18: two you've mentioned, should feel that somehow violence is going

1074
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 18: to which we already have a lot of, is going

1075
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 18: to solve anything. And then we need to dig into

1076
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 18: that because it really worries me. Even asking that the

1077
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 18: pole question actually worries me. Because it's so you know,

1078
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 18: it's so good or bad. So I find poles and

1079
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 18: referendums often ask questions and you get answers that seem

1080
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 18: really terrible. But actually if you dig deeper, people have

1081
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,240
Speaker 18: quite nuanced views. But many people are feeling it's okay

1082
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 18: to say that now. Is that to do with the

1083
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 18: Trump effect? That it's okay to talk about violence now?

1084
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 18: And given that you know Donald Trump is taking his

1085
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 18: own citizens, is this encouraging people to think?

1086
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 3: So?

1087
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Speaker 18: Is it violent?

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Speaker 2: Something?

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Speaker 18: Right?

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Speaker 2: So, after the Charlie Kirk murder, somebody who I know

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Speaker 2: said to me, well, Charlie Kirk shouldn't have said what

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Speaker 2: he said and then he wouldn't have got shot. It

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Speaker 2: was kind of asking for it, is what somebody said.

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Speaker 2: And it feels to me like there's a little bit

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Speaker 2: of that going on, Like if you say something that

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Speaker 2: others consider to be so inflammatory or so incendiary, then

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Speaker 2: you're asking for the violence. Do you see that?

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Speaker 18: No, I've experienced violent threats all my life. If I,

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Speaker 18: as a woman say things that are challenging, I've had

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Speaker 18: men threaten me with violence. I don't think it's new.

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Speaker 18: I think it's just being validated by leadership. So I

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Speaker 18: think it's unacceptable to shoot somebody?

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Speaker 16: What about it?

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Speaker 2: What if it's the effect of social media right in

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00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: that it's helping. Yeah, Like, as you say, this is

1106
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: not new, it's been going on for a long time.

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Speaker 2: But maybe what we're seeing is that if you retreat

1108
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Speaker 2: far enough into your own echo chamber and you get

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00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: your views endorsed by other people, you may actually go

1110
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Speaker 2: so far down that particular rabbit hole whatever it is,

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Speaker 2: you think it's okay to become violent because of how

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Speaker 2: strongly how wrong the other person is. Could that be

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Speaker 2: part of the explanation.

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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Speaker 18: I think I think polarize and threatening behavior has always

1116
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 18: been there. I think social media is making it worse

1117
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 18: and people. I think if you look at, say, for example,

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00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 18: the group of infols, the group of young males who

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00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 18: believe they're entitled to women's bodies and who believe that

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Speaker 18: they can take be violent towards women to get what

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Speaker 18: they want, I think it's rape culture in another form,

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Speaker 18: and I think it's very worrying, and it's and it

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Speaker 18: is maximized through the Internet. So it's easy to blame

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Speaker 18: the Internet, but it's definitely very, very scary when people

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Speaker 18: lose touch with there with other people and lose their

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Speaker 18: relationships in society, but resorts to watching things on the

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Speaker 18: internet that validates that kind of violence. I mean, I

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Speaker 18: mean the whole thing, and what happened in America and

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Speaker 18: what is happening in America is a society in meltdown

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Speaker 18: and it's it's really disturbing to watch it. And the

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Speaker 18: amount of violence against immigrants, which is validated by the government,

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Speaker 18: is not helping. So you've got this. There's not only

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Speaker 18: are people on the internet in rooms is kind of

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Speaker 18: fucking up violence ideas, but there's also states that are

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Speaker 18: advocating for violent solutions, and I think that's really really scary.

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Speaker 18: And I can't say that our history makes me feel

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Speaker 18: confident that we are we have we have underpinnings of violence.

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Speaker 18: This country was colonized and built on violence. The trauma

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Speaker 18: of that our historical process is still with us. And

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Speaker 18: then you get the Internet kind of making it worse.

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Speaker 19: So yeah, it is.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 18: It's important to ask the question if you're going to

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Speaker 18: have a conversation about violence, you had to go to

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Speaker 18: cause and not just the kind of click state of statistics.

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Speaker 18: What is the cause of people talking like this, It's

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Speaker 18: not just the statistic.

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Speaker 2: Catherine is good to talk to you. Thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Catherine Della Hunting, former MP nineteen away from Sex the

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Speaker 2: Huddle with.

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Speaker 1: New Zealand Southby's International Realty, the global leader in luxury

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Speaker 2: On the Huddle of Us this evening, we have Bridget

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Speaker 2: Morton who is a lawyer with Frank's Ogilvy, and Alie

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Speaker 2: Jones with Red pr Hal Are.

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Speaker 19: You too all right?

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Speaker 20: All right?

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Speaker 2: What do you reckon, Bridget? How do we take the

1159
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Speaker 2: tone down so people don't feel like they have to

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Speaker 2: use the violence?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 15: I think it's that polarization and that echo chamber that

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Speaker 15: was just being discussed has led it to people believing

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Speaker 15: or accepting that violence is a tool that within the

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Speaker 15: toolbox because they're not getting i think, so many balanced

1166
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Speaker 15: views anymore. And you can just see that play out.

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Speaker 15: I think the parliamentary protests were an absolute example of that.

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Speaker 15: In the beginning, you had a very peaceful, well organized protest,

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Speaker 15: a lot of people there for the right intention, but

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Speaker 15: what you ended up was that core, that sort of

1171
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Speaker 15: self reflecting echo chamber of core people who believe the

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Speaker 15: only way out of that protests or the ones to

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Speaker 15: show that they're frustration was violence. And I think that

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Speaker 15: this poll is reflective of that kind of view of

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Speaker 15: people that don't believe are being heard, that are being

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Speaker 15: fed information to tell them they're not being heard, seeing

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Speaker 15: that violence is the only option.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Galy?

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Speaker 19: Look, I agree with Catherine that everything that she said,

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Speaker 19: but I think the thing that I agreed with my

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Speaker 19: strongly was her comment around thetistics and the skewing here.

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Speaker 19: I mean, you know, when Jordan and I are on

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Speaker 19: we bang heads a bit, and I feel the same

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Speaker 19: about this this survey. I mean, their website says a

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Speaker 19: quarter of the party MARII and one in five ACT

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Speaker 19: voters say violence may be needed to fix New Zealand.

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Speaker 19: That's just absolute nonsense. I mean you've heard the same lies,

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00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 19: damned lives and statistics, and that's what I think this

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Speaker 19: is in that question about violence and whether we may

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Speaker 19: need to resort to violence to get New Zealand back

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Speaker 19: on track. If you look at the results of this

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Speaker 19: thousand people survey, eighty percent disagreed and six percent were unsure.

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Speaker 19: So I think we have to keep it in context.

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Speaker 19: We've seen violence before the Springbot too, the Queen Street Rights.

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00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 19: We've always seen it. But I think that this, if

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Speaker 19: you want to talk about dog whistle politics, this is

1197
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 19: how to create a story out of nothing at all,

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Speaker 19: in my opinion's nonsense.

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Speaker 2: So do you think, okay, are you arguing, Alie, that

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Speaker 2: fourteen percent you can be historically consistent? Not a big deal, it.

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Speaker 19: Would be historically consistent.

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Speaker 2: What sorry, are you arguing that fourteen percent of people

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Speaker 2: saying yep, violence is okay? To get the country back

1204
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Speaker 2: on track would be pretty much the historical norm.

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Speaker 19: Well, I don't know what it is. But then even

1206
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Speaker 19: in the question itself, Heather, what does getting the country

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Speaker 19: back on track mean? It might mean something to one

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Speaker 19: person and something to someone else. I just think when

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Speaker 19: you look at eighty percent disagreed with that, that's the

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Speaker 19: story here, and I think this has been created to

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Speaker 19: get that to party MARII and five act voters stat

1212
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Speaker 19: out of that, that's just creating a news story.

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Speaker 2: All right, We'll take a break and come back to

1214
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Speaker 2: you guys, And just to take its sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty. Find your

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Speaker 2: Way, if you're if you want to know how it's

1218
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Speaker 2: going with the judges and the rule that caps their

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Speaker 2: I've got something to tell you about that before six.

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Speaker 2: So stand by. It's thirteen away from sex and we're

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Speaker 2: back with the huddle. Bridget Morton and our Jones. Now,

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Speaker 2: Bridget I have been given given that the release of

1224
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Speaker 2: the hostages, it should be a momentous day of celebration.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually quite surprised to how muted it is, are you.

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Speaker 15: I'm not surprised. I think the silence, particularly from the

1227
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Speaker 15: Greens up until this point probably indicates that for them

1228
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 15: it was about the fight more than it's been about

1229
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Speaker 15: the outcome and the fact that they haven't been able

1230
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Speaker 15: to I think celebrate the fact that there is peace

1231
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Speaker 15: at the moment, and that there is for you know,

1232
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 15: people on both sides a lot more stupidly going forward

1233
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Speaker 15: than what they've had for the last two years.

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Speaker 16: I think reflects quite badly on them.

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Speaker 15: I would have liked to see, I think much more

1236
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Speaker 15: celebration in New Zealand and an acknowledgment of the impact

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Speaker 15: that it's been had. But unfortunately, I think that some

1238
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,400
Speaker 15: people have been blinded by Trump's involvement in this deal

1239
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Speaker 15: and are concerned that if they express, you know, delight

1240
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Speaker 15: or positivity around it, that they're somehow giving Trump some

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Speaker 15: credit that they don't want to give him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Alie, That's where I landed, I think. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think part of it is that people are, you know,

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Speaker 2: reluctant to celebrate a piece that could fall apart at

1245
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Speaker 2: any minute. But also I think it is the Trump involvement.

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 18: Oh, absolutely, I totally agree with you.

1248
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Speaker 19: I think that acknowledging or even praising Trump is going

1249
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Speaker 19: to be a massive challenge for a lot of people.

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Speaker 19: I was reading online today that a lot of the

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Speaker 19: Democrats in Washington have been making statements and they've actually

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Speaker 19: worked really hard not to include Trump's name in any

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Speaker 19: of the comments that they've met. You know, I know

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Speaker 19: that Hillary Clinton and Broke Obama have come out and

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Speaker 19: they have praised him, and I think they've had to

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Speaker 19: otherwise it would have looked childish. But I think the

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Speaker 19: other thing that makes this difficult to celebrate really is

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Speaker 19: the incredible destruction and the death of children and women

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Speaker 19: and pregnant women lose. I mean, I think it's been

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Speaker 19: so revolting and horrible for so long that yes, it's

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Speaker 19: great to celebrate this, but there's still that very, very

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Speaker 19: obvious and present specter of what's been going on for

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Speaker 19: the last two years that I think is one of

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Speaker 19: the reasons why people are quite muship with it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, perhaps, so, Hey, what's going on with the Maori Party,

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Speaker 2: bridget what have you heard?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 15: I mean, obviously quite a lot of internal infractions. I

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Speaker 15: think their move last night to send an email out

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Speaker 15: their supporters making it clear exactly what the allegations were

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Speaker 15: against Carpukenni and her son are very clear pointed frustration

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Speaker 15: that they have been under pressure the leadership for the

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Speaker 15: last week or so to be shown that they're not dictators,

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Speaker 15: and the other allegations made against them. I think this shows,

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Speaker 15: this public display shows that those frustrations have boiled over

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Speaker 15: and they they're not able to deal with them internally anymore.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, Alie I did not love the

1278
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Speaker 2: fact that she was using taxpayer money to pay her son.

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Speaker 2: What about you?

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Speaker 19: No, I agree, And I heard the comments earlier about

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Speaker 19: the rules being a little blurred about what you should

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Speaker 19: and shouldn't do. I think anyone with half a brain

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Speaker 19: could work out what you should and shouldn't do. And

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Speaker 19: we all know about perceived conflict and real conflict of

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Speaker 19: interest as well. But what's really interesting about what's happening

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Speaker 19: with the Malori party now is it just keeps guessing worse.

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Speaker 19: I mean, I do wonder whether there is this culture

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Speaker 19: of arrogance within the party. I mean we've seen it

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Speaker 19: with Tommaheavy last week, you know, being smart as he

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Speaker 19: was being asked questions about the dictatorship and the alleged

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Speaker 19: dictatorship kind of waves the leader's lead. And we saw

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Speaker 19: when Mikey Sherman was asking questions, quite legitimate questions, and

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Speaker 19: the leaders just basically turned around and walked away. I mean,

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Speaker 19: even though we're hearing that they are resetting and that

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Speaker 19: they aren't really like this, and now this email has

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Speaker 19: come out, we're not seeing anything that suggests that they are,

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Speaker 19: you know, any better than we're being told, and we

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Speaker 19: see they are.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't look flash.

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Speaker 3: Ell.

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Speaker 2: Are you worried about the brain drain?

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Speaker 20: No, I'm not.

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Speaker 19: I think this is really interesting from a you know,

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Speaker 19: the point that you raised about a few years ago,

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Speaker 19: we would have been quite worried about it. I don't

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Speaker 19: know whether it is a brain drain now so much

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Speaker 19: we have got a lot of brain in New Zealand

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Speaker 19: that actually can't get jobs too, you know, our nurses,

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Speaker 19: some of our midwives. So I don't think it's a

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Speaker 19: brain drain. And I also think we're so distracted Heather

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Speaker 19: was trying to manage our food buying and our access

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Speaker 19: to the health system and the doctors that people going

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Speaker 19: to Australia is not as high on our list of

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Speaker 19: concerns is as maybe it was five ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree with you, and I wonder Bridget it's actually,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're so concerned with our own bills that

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Speaker 2: it starts to look like a rational option to us.

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Speaker 2: Therefore we could hardly begrudge the other people doing it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely, And I mean I was someone that left the

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Speaker 15: country for Australia than two thousand and seven, and most

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Speaker 15: importantly I came back. And I hope that I came back,

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Speaker 15: you know, with the masters and with eight years of experience,

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Speaker 15: that I bring back value to the country. And I

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Speaker 15: hope that that means that others who have gone out

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Speaker 15: and that's tradition of tea weis to go out and

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Speaker 15: you know, experience the world and come back, come back

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Speaker 15: with stuff that actually values the country and makes us

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Speaker 15: a better country. So I don't regard to anyone who's leaving.

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Speaker 15: I mean, that would be completely hypocritical of me to do.

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Speaker 2: So I suppose. So, guys, good to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Bridget Moreton, who's a lawyer of

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Speaker 2: Frank's Ogilvy, and Allie Jones from Red pr And by

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Speaker 2: the way, in about an hour's time, we'll have on

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Speaker 2: the show Paul Bloxham, who is HSBC's rock star Chief Economist,

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Speaker 2: who wants to talk to us about the brain drain actually,

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Speaker 2: so we'll get his perspective on it. Then eight away

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Speaker 2: from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast

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Speaker 1: on my Art Radio powered by News Talk zeb.

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Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, did you know did you know

1342
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Speaker 2: that Apple TV is called Apple TV Plus? Apple TV

1343
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Speaker 2: The reason it's called this is I'm you know what

1344
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm talking. I'm talking the streaming service, right. Apple TV

1345
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: is the little box that does the chrome casting. Apple

1346
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 2: TV plus is the streaming thing that you've been watching

1347
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Speaker 2: Slow Horses and the Morning Show on. So anyway, the

1348
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Speaker 2: reason we know this is because it is now news

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01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 2: that Apple TV Plus is rebranding to Apple TV. So yes,

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Speaker 2: it's rebranding to the thing that you've been calling it

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Speaker 2: this whole time. Five away from six, Oh, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember how the government pass that law that

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Speaker 2: stopped the judges from handing out ridiculously high sentenced discounts. Well,

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Speaker 2: yes you do, because it was a big deal. A

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Speaker 2: judge just ignored it. He's given what he himself calls

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Speaker 2: an enormous discount so that a seventeen year old doesn't

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Speaker 2: have to go to jail. So let me tell you

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Speaker 2: about what the kid did and then you can decide

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Speaker 2: whether he should have got this enormous discount. So it

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Speaker 2: was Christmas Eve last year. A driver gets lost in

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Speaker 2: Northland because his phones run out of juice, so he

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Speaker 2: can't find his way, so he pulls up on the

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Speaker 2: roadside tries to figure out what he's going to do Next.

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Speaker 2: A seventeen year old kid, Carver Peihoper, and a group

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Speaker 2: of others, all armed with steel bars, come up to

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Speaker 2: the car. They smashed the driver's window. They drag the

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Speaker 2: driver out of the car and they beat him. They

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Speaker 2: leave him so dazed that he struggles to stand. The

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Speaker 2: seventeen year old took part in the beating. The seventeen

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Speaker 2: year old then took the bloke's phone. They demanded his pin.

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Speaker 2: He gave it to them. They forced him into the

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Speaker 2: seventeen year old's car and they drove around. Then they

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Speaker 2: went back to his car and they drove around. They

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Speaker 2: forced him to buy them alcohol, pies and cigarettes from

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Speaker 2: a liquor store and a service station. Ah, this seventeen

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Speaker 2: year old was the one in some of the CCTV

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Speaker 2: that takes him into the stores basically to accompany him.

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Speaker 2: He did what they told him to do because he

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Speaker 2: thought they had a gun. But even if they didn't

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Speaker 2: have a gun, bad the steel bars. Eventually they let

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Speaker 2: him go. He drove himself straight to a petrol station.

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Speaker 2: He called the cops. This seventeen year old just appeared

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Speaker 2: before Judge Andre Wiltons, who gave him a discount of

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Speaker 2: sixty two percent, even though it's capped at forty percent.

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Speaker 2: Andre handed down a sentence discount of sixty two percent,

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Speaker 2: which he himself said, as I said earlier, is enormous

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Speaker 2: and he said this. The government of the day say

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't do that. They passed legislation to make sure

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Speaker 2: judges can't do that unless it's manifestly unjudged, unjust. In

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Speaker 2: this situation and bearing in mind your circumstances, I would

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Speaker 2: say that is the case. Seventeen year olds don't deserve

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Speaker 2: to be in jail rarely unless it's absolutely imperative, and

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Speaker 2: it's not in your case. So as a result, the

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Speaker 2: judge gave him twelve months of home d followed by

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Speaker 2: twelve months of intensive release conditions. What do you think, hmmm,

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Speaker 2: what do you think beat a bloke, chucked him in

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Speaker 2: the cart, made him drive around. I don't know, I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I mean this is it's ultimately up to

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Speaker 2: whether you believe this is a kid who just made

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Speaker 2: one little whoopsie in his life is now on back

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Speaker 2: on track, or if this is a kid who, when

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Speaker 2: armed with a steel bar, does all of this stuff

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Speaker 2: is probably you know, not to be put back on track.

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Speaker 2: We'll see, we'll see if Andre's right on this one. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Air New Zealand has just done the thing that we

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Speaker 2: wanted them to do. They've teamed up with Air Chathams.

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Speaker 2: So if you book a flight now to wherever the

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Speaker 2: air Chatams flies, your bag will go all the way through.

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Speaker 2: You're not gonna have to take it out and recheck it.

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Speaker 2: You'll be booked all the way through. We'll talk to

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Speaker 2: Air New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Next keeping track of where the money is flowing.

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Speaker 1: The business hour with Heather Duplessy, Allen and Mass for

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Speaker 1: insurance investments and Hueya, you're in good hands.

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Speaker 3: News talk said be.

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Speaker 2: Evening coming up in the next hour. Hey miss McKay

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01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 2: on whether the gene editing bill is dead now, Paulo

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Speaker 2: on whether we should be worried about the brain drain.

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01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: And we have Ende Brady out of the UK seven

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Speaker 2: past six now in New Zealand is finally dealing with

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Speaker 2: one of those annoying things that's been bugging people who

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Speaker 2: fly regionally. People can now book a single ticket for

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01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,320
Speaker 2: journeys that combine a domestic flight with a regional flight

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01:07:15,480 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: operated by Air Chathams. It means one booking, so the

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Speaker 2: luggage is checked all the way through to your final destination,

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Speaker 2: even when you swap carriers. Mike Williams is there in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's Chief Transformation and Alliances Officer and with.

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Speaker 3: Us Hime mike Hi, how are you well?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? So is this just the fucker pane destination?

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Speaker 21: Well, today's step one, but I hope there's a step

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Speaker 21: two and maybe a step three beyond that. So it

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Speaker 21: is as a start, it's we can think of it

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Speaker 21: as a trial ready, making sure that we have things

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Speaker 21: set up and it works smoothly, because it's been a

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Speaker 21: long time since we've been able to put one of

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Speaker 21: these what we call interline arrangements together. But absolutely I

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Speaker 21: hope to see more of New Zealand connected in the future.

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Speaker 2: And are you able to do it if you're flying internationally?

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Speaker 2: So for ex sample, I don't know. Let's say you're

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Speaker 2: flying from somewhere in Australia into New Zealand and you're

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Speaker 2: going to go through to Fakatana. Can you do it

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Speaker 2: like that?

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01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 21: At the moment, we're just looking at the domestic scope.

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01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 21: But again I think it's a case for us of

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01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:15,360
Speaker 21: working super closely with their chathams and the regions and

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Speaker 21: then let's see what the future looks like.

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Speaker 2: What's so hard about it?

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Speaker 3: It just takes time.

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Speaker 21: I mean, some of these things are operationally complex, and

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Speaker 21: it's really thinking about what happens in the case of

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01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,560
Speaker 21: a disrupt and do the digital systems talk well to

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Speaker 21: each other, and have we trained all of our staff

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Speaker 21: and things like that. So I wouldn't say it's difficult,

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Speaker 21: but it's just one that we want to get right

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Speaker 21: so that customers have a great experience.

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Speaker 2: So is it more about the computers than it is

1457
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Speaker 2: about actually picking up the right bag and chucking it

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Speaker 2: in the right place.

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Speaker 21: Well, it's all of the above, really, But you know,

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Speaker 21: the system is complicated and complex in some cases, so

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Speaker 21: it pays to take a bit of time to make

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Speaker 21: sure that things are done in a really seamless way.

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Speaker 2: Why is it, Mike that I mean, corrent me if

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Speaker 2: I'm wrong. But this is quite normal overseas.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it.

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Speaker 21: It is normal, especially with international airlines. And I don't

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Speaker 21: know what the exact number is. I think it's up

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Speaker 21: to about fifty interline partnerships that we've got around the world.

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Speaker 21: But it's much more normal when there's larger air lines

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Speaker 21: connecting with other larger airlines. It's actually not that common

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Speaker 21: to have these sorts of relationships domestically. But you know,

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Speaker 21: today is a great day for air Chathams who have

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Speaker 21: been serving amazingly well for many years. It's a great

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Speaker 21: day for it's a great day for regions like this.

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Speaker 21: And to your earlier question, I think the excitement is

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Speaker 21: that we really look at this as step one of

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Speaker 21: a few steps.

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Speaker 2: So why is it that it's it's more common with

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Speaker 2: the big carriers than it is with the little ones.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, it's just the nature really of where customers want

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01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 21: to travel to and generally speaking, domestic networks are more

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01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 21: call it point to points, so you fly from A

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Speaker 21: to B and that gets you where you need to

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Speaker 21: get to. There's less traffic that flows through hubs and

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Speaker 21: that's much more common internationally when you're connecting between you know,

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Speaker 21: Auckland through single or to get to somewhere else for example.

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Speaker 21: But there's no reason why.

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Speaker 3: It shouldn't work.

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Speaker 21: And again, ultimately this is about connecting regions between Chatham's

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Speaker 21: network with regions from in New Zealand's network as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Mike Williams,

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Speaker 2: Chief Transformation and Alliances offer Officerity in New Zealand's ten pars.

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Speaker 3: Sas Heather duplesdy Ellen Ah Yeah.

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Speaker 2: As you can imagine, not a lot of love for

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01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,920
Speaker 2: the judge giving the big old discount to old mate,

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Speaker 2: the seventeen year old who smacked the other guy up

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Speaker 2: with steel bar. Hither seventeen years old or not. That

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01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,640
Speaker 2: crime against another human was calculated and prolonged and that

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Speaker 2: guy should have been sent to jail and texto on

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Speaker 2: like that. What a surprise, Heather. An item has just

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Speaker 2: gone up on Stuff's website about the greens muted response

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01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,759
Speaker 2: to the Gaza ceasefire. Turns out the soar about Trump's involvement. James,

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Speaker 2: thank you for pointing me to it. This explains that

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01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 2: this explains the silence. Okay, so the piece is headlined

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01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 2: Greens say Trump shouldn't get any credit for Israel Garza

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Speaker 2: peace steal. And basically the reporter here makes the point

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Speaker 2: that you know, after wearing the kefi eff for god

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Speaker 2: knows how long in Parliament and you know, going on

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Speaker 2: about what's going on in Gaza quite rightly raising it,

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Speaker 2: talking about it. Greens have been going on about it

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Speaker 2: for ages. Minute, there's a cease fire and we actually

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Speaker 2: get the thinger we want, which is that the shooting

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Speaker 2: stops and the kids can eat, they don't say anything.

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Speaker 2: Asked if they were welcoming Trump's epic peace plan, co

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Speaker 2: leader Madimer Davidson was not pleased with the questions phrasing.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, she said, a US president who could have

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Speaker 2: stopped tens of thousands more killing at least a year ago.

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Speaker 2: She asked, a US president who has been funding aiding

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Speaker 2: and a beating a genocide for a long time. Question,

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Speaker 2: But does the president deserve any credit at all? She says,

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Speaker 2: not at all. He gets my absolute criticism for continuing

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Speaker 2: to support violence against the Gardens and Palestinians for many

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Speaker 2: years too long. There you go explains everything. Six twelve.

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Speaker 2: Drive Heather FYI for Madam Trump couldn't have done anything

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Speaker 2: a year ago because he didn't become president until January

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Speaker 2: this year. Inconvenient fact, Tony very inconvenient sixteen past six

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Speaker 2: Hamish mackay filling in for Jamie McKay on the country

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Speaker 2: is with Us, Hello Hamish, Hello Heather, it's the gene

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Speaker 2: editing bill dead.

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Speaker 20: I think it's get pretty close to that. I mean,

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Speaker 20: national will be the sort of slowgo here act in

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01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 20: New Zealand first now really sort of raising their concern.

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Speaker 20: Screens and labor obviously have said about this in the past,

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Speaker 20: but it's just too many unknowns here, and you've got

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Speaker 20: groups like Beef and Land New Zealand they want a

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Speaker 20: far more consultation. They feel, like chair Kate Ecklin was

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Speaker 20: on the show today, I feel like it's been rushed

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Speaker 20: through a bit. Venison farmers the same. I mean, this

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Speaker 20: gene modification, I mean where could this potentially end? And

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Speaker 20: I quite like, you know, taking the side of caution here.

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Speaker 20: I mean you've got examples in America where you've got

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Speaker 20: these cattle mutations where cows were the cattle were bull

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Speaker 20: bred to be hornless and suddenly they can't handle antibiotics.

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Speaker 20: I mean, what next do we breed it? Do we

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Speaker 20: grow a super spud here in New Zealand and all

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Speaker 20: of a sudden it causes men to grow more nasal

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Speaker 20: heir and bushy eyebrows. I mean all sorts of things

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Speaker 20: could go wrong. So I think it's you know, I

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Speaker 20: think we've already got a modification as it is, so

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Speaker 20: I think this one's a little way away for now.

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Speaker 2: So what is going on here is this. Is there

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Speaker 2: a move amongst the farming community to oppose.

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Speaker 20: This, Yeah, you know, beef and lamb. I mean, they'd

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Speaker 20: be I think that'd be fair to say that they

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Speaker 20: speak for a good percentage of farmers. Venison had Venison

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Speaker 20: farmer dunk and Harmon today out of Mount Summers. So yeah, yeah, look, look, look, look,

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Speaker 20: just get it right through. I think that I think

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Speaker 20: the feeling is get it right first. You know this,

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Speaker 20: You know, we don't really know what you know, we

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Speaker 20: can never be one hundred percent sure when you start

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Speaker 20: marking around with jeans, can you. So I think that's

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Speaker 20: I think I'm quite surprised. I'm quite impressed, you know,

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Speaker 20: because certainly when you when we were talking about you know,

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Speaker 20: crops that we want to be pest resistant and overside

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Speaker 20: tolerant and all that. You know, surely you know there's

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Speaker 20: certain things that we would like to progress more quickly

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Speaker 20: in the egg and hart sector. But yeah, I just

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Speaker 20: think it's a bit of a cautious approach here across

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Speaker 20: the board.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So is there how much of our international reputation

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Speaker 2: gets a bit of a premium because we are GM free?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, absolutely, you know, you know, for instance, Venison is

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Speaker 20: one of those that trades on that, and you know,

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Speaker 20: I think it's like it's you know, it's a bit

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Speaker 20: of a Pandora's box if we open this up, you know,

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Speaker 20: or and you know, the potential for the spread of

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Speaker 20: genetically modified crops. There's all sorts of things. But our

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Speaker 20: reputation is sort of clean and green and quite simple.

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Speaker 20: It would be massive, I think in terms of the

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Speaker 20: overall perception on a global basis.

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Speaker 2: Now, can I put it to you Home Mash that

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Speaker 2: the reason I suspect the reason that New Zealand VERST

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Speaker 2: has piped up about this now is because they're preparing

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Speaker 2: for next year's election and they want to court the

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Speaker 2: farmer's vote. This is why they're doing this. This is

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Speaker 2: why they're starting to make noises about Fonterra. What do

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Speaker 2: you think?

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Speaker 20: Oh, I can only but agree with you, Heather. I

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Speaker 20: think you're very astudent on the money there and starting

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Speaker 20: to make noise at the right time with the farmers

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Speaker 20: who they have, you know, to a certain degree, they've

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Speaker 20: got some of them in their court. So yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 20: I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Hamish, thank you. I'll take that and run with it.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, I'm not going to dispute you when you make

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Speaker 20: so much sense, you know, hand it back to you

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Speaker 20: on a plate.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Listen, You're welcome, as I say, stay on the show

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Speaker 2: as long as you want. Hamus MacKaye. Jamie's going to

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Speaker 2: come back. He better be very agreeable when he comes back.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to swap him out for Hamish anyway,

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Speaker 2: he's filing in. Hamus is filling in for Jamie obviously.

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Speaker 2: On the country. It's twenty past six d l. By

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Speaker 2: the way, on the subject of Trump, did you see

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Speaker 2: Trump and mccron have got into the weird little handshake

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Speaker 2: battle again. They've done this. I cannot tell you how

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Speaker 2: many times they've done this, But it's becoming a thing now,

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Speaker 2: isn't like it was a thing a long time ago,

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Speaker 2: and now it's just coming extremely strange. So the handshake

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Speaker 2: this time started normally. It was just a shake, and

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden it just turned into like

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Speaker 2: an arm wrestle grip, and they were standing their arm

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Speaker 2: wrestle gripping with each other, and then, as if to

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Speaker 2: kind of underscore the arm wrestle nature of it, one

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Speaker 2: of them pulled the arms towards them, and then the

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Speaker 2: other way, and when the other way, and it was

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Speaker 2: kind of went back and forth really weirdly. It went

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Speaker 2: on for twenty six seconds. Now I have viewed this

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01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 2: multiple times and it's Macron. He's the problem here. So

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Speaker 2: the reason here's the problem is because he starts this

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Speaker 2: right because he's the one who's got something to prove

1645
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,240
Speaker 2: old mates, already the leader of the free world and

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01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 2: just just stitched up a deal in the Middle East

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01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 2: that's basically got everybody kind of like weirdly impressed with him.

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01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 2: Macron's got a lot to prove and really wants to

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Speaker 2: sort of show that he's the big dog. So what

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Speaker 2: he does is he goes in for the normal handshake,

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Speaker 2: but he does that powerflip.

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Speaker 21: You know that.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had that done to you when they

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01:17:50,920 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 2: powerflip you and they put their hand on top so

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01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 2: they basically palm face down and you've got your your

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Speaker 2: your palm is upwards. Just that's dominance move. Like there

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Speaker 2: are so few people in the world who can be

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01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 2: bothered playing childish games like that, but mcron is one

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Speaker 2: of them. So anyway, he flips, he flips Trump's palm,

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Speaker 2: so Trump is palm up and he sort of holds

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Speaker 2: there for ages and Trump goes to let go. And

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Speaker 2: as Trump goes to let go, that's when Macron goes

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Speaker 2: for the arm wrestle grip. The more I see, I mean,

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Speaker 2: like this is probably obvious to you, but the more

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01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:25,240
Speaker 2: I see of a manual Macron, the weirder he is.

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Speaker 2: He's an incredibly strange person. Also, just in a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a little bit more international news about weird

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Speaker 2: things that were happening. You remember how I told you

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01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:35,559
Speaker 2: the other day Norway was getting itself ready because if

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Speaker 2: they gave the Nobel Peace Prize to anybody other than Trump,

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01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,080
Speaker 2: Trump was going to pack a giant adult tantrum. And

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01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 2: so they were ready for tariffs. Well, no nobody prepared

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Speaker 2: themselves for Venezuela packing a massive tantrum, did they. Apparently

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01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:51,719
Speaker 2: Venezuela has closed its embassy in Oslo yesterday. They weren't

1675
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 2: answering the phone by yesterday evening. The numbers were disconnected.

1676
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 2: They haven't given a reason, but it might be that

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01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: the Nobel Peace Prize was given to the Vennezuelan opposition

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Speaker 2: leader and maybe the government didn't like that. Six twenty two.

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Speaker 2: an orchidis totally against the ge Bill is from Layton.

1685
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Speaker 2: Heather Macron is trying to impose his masculinity after his

1686
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Speaker 2: husband beat him up on TV. Look, that's a conspiracy theory.

1687
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Speaker 2: It's not true, but it's actually quite a funny text. Anyway, Listen,

1688
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Speaker 2: we've got to talk about the Taxpayers Union. What they've

1689
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Speaker 2: just busted the Social Ministry of Social Development doing Ministry

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Speaker 2: of Social Development has spent two point eight million dollars

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Speaker 2: on a survey. It's a youth well being survey and

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01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 2: included in it this is not the major cost, but

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Speaker 2: what was included in it is that they send boxes

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Speaker 2: of brownies to school to encourage them to take part

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Speaker 2: in it. Now, I don't have a well, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I do have a problem with the boxes of brownies

1697
01:20:06,439 --> 01:20:09,160
Speaker 2: because come on, like, just take part in the survey.

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01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 2: You don't need KFC and Warriors tickets and stuff to

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Speaker 2: just be part of civic society. And it didn't even

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Speaker 2: But anyway, it only costs seven and a half thousand

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01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,400
Speaker 2: for the brownies. But the problem that I have is

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01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,800
Speaker 2: how on earth is a survey costing two point eight

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01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 2: million dollars Because it looks to me like it only

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01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:29,719
Speaker 2: surveyed the kids in one hundred and eighty four schools

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01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,479
Speaker 2: that works out at fifteen thousand dollars a school.

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01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 3: How does it.

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Speaker 2: Cost fifteen thousand dollars a school to find out what's

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01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 2: going on with the youth health and well being? Someone

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01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 2: is taking the mickey with money here and I don't

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Speaker 2: know who it is, but I think it's all of

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Speaker 2: Wellington six twenty six.

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Speaker 3: There's no business like show business.

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Speaker 2: Yes, is that everyone's favorites, everyone's dad's favorites. Raunchy team

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Speaker 2: the tally, But this is because the shows look I

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Speaker 2: sound I'm not excited about this Andala will explain in

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Speaker 2: a minute. The show's co creators, Ian Morris and Damon

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Speaker 2: Beasley have signed a deal with the UK production company

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Speaker 2: to continue on the story. They haven't said if it's

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01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 2: hinted all four main actors would return because obviously, because

1723
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: what else are they doing. And they did recently try

1724
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,680
Speaker 2: to do a reunion for the tenth year anniversary, but

1725
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,639
Speaker 2: they got massive backlash from fans because which was hosted,

1726
01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,280
Speaker 2: by the way by Jimmy Carr, because it took a

1727
01:21:32,360 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 2: more mean spirited approach to remembering the show, and James Buckley,

1728
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,559
Speaker 2: who plays Jay, recently told a podcast the reunion wasn't

1729
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:40,080
Speaker 2: the experience he'd hoped it would be, so.

1730
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 22: It became a thing where it wasn't a celebration of

1731
01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 22: that good thing that I did in my life. It

1732
01:21:44,320 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 22: was me being taken the best out of hours and

1733
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 22: the end, and I didn't have the personality or the

1734
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,720
Speaker 22: intelligence to cope with that.

1735
01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:00,240
Speaker 2: So fans may get what they want this time, though,

1736
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 2: because the co creators have said in the statement that

1737
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:07,160
Speaker 2: they are incredibly excited to be plotting more adventures for

1738
01:22:07,360 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 2: our four favorite friends Brackets are Friends. The reason I'm

1739
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 2: not excited about this is because I literally have no

1740
01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:18,519
Speaker 2: idea what this is about never watched it. I've never

1741
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:21,720
Speaker 2: watched an episode. After reading that, I don't want to

1742
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,560
Speaker 2: watch an episode. It sounds lame. The Germans says it

1743
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 2: is lame. She says it's the lamest show. Jokes might

1744
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,320
Speaker 2: have been funny in twenty ten, but they're not funny anymore. No,

1745
01:22:30,640 --> 01:22:33,320
Speaker 2: your face is doing what my face is doing. Everyone's

1746
01:22:33,400 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 2: dad can keep watching it, but the rest of us,

1747
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 2: I think, are out tapping tapping out. Paul Bloxham's next,

1748
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 2: you said my heart from the feeder.

1749
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:47,479
Speaker 3: Oh, if it's to do with money, it matters to

1750
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 3: you your business hour.

1751
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: We're the header do for c Ellen and maz for

1752
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:55,799
Speaker 1: insurance investments and huiye safer and you're in good heads

1753
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 1: news talks.

1754
01:22:56,680 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 2: He'd be, Oh, we will have Ender Brady out of

1755
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:09,400
Speaker 2: the UK with us in ten minutes time. Heather, listen, sweetye.

1756
01:23:09,439 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 2: Can I call you sweety again because you didn't mind

1757
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 2: last time. Murray's a repeat offender there. Try pronouncing Macron

1758
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 2: macron and not merk Kron. It's a lot closer to

1759
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 2: his actual name, and you'll sound more intelligent and less

1760
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 2: like a Fox News presenter. Cheers from Murray, who is bilingual.

1761
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:30,560
Speaker 2: Oh look at you, muzz speak two languages, ye flash guy, No,

1762
01:23:31,080 --> 01:23:34,000
Speaker 2: because listen, Murray, will you not here for that discussion?

1763
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 2: I don't do French, right, We're speaking English, and if

1764
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 2: they're going to be dicks to us, we're going to

1765
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:41,639
Speaker 2: be dicks right back at them. So it's it's seven blanc.

1766
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 2: It is crassant, it is reproach, reproach Mont. You go

1767
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 2: hard on bastardizing the French. If there's one language that

1768
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 2: you are absolutely given total permission to just go hard on,

1769
01:23:55,360 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 2: go hard on it, obviously, And we've established the parameters before,

1770
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:00,680
Speaker 2: haven't we. Ants we do need some words to be

1771
01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 2: pronounced properly, like ballet, no point coming out and going ballot.

1772
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,320
Speaker 2: No one's going to know what you're talking about. So

1773
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 2: as long as you work within the parameters, a healthy

1774
01:24:08,120 --> 01:24:10,679
Speaker 2: amount of mickey taking from about the French is allowed.

1775
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 2: And macron great place. Did I say that? Probably or wrong?

1776
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 2: I don't even know anymore and I don't care anyway.

1777
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,240
Speaker 2: What's the time? Twenty three away from seven Paul Blocks?

1778
01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 3: Heather duplesl On is much more serious?

1779
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:24,600
Speaker 2: Matter? Is Paul Block? Some HSBC chief economist is with us.

1780
01:24:24,640 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 3: Hello, Paul good A.

1781
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so the minutes have come out and it looks

1782
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 2: like you're getting no more rate cuts until at least February.

1783
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 23: Oh look, I think there's still a chance the RBA

1784
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,600
Speaker 23: could get over the line for cutting. They haven't said no,

1785
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 23: but they're saying that they're you know, just the economy

1786
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 23: is in an upswing where at full employment inflation is

1787
01:24:44,360 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 23: in the upper part of the target ban.

1788
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 24: There's no great rush for them to do anything.

1789
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,160
Speaker 23: I think the critical feature of this will be a

1790
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:52,200
Speaker 23: couple of things. We get some labor force numbers later

1791
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,000
Speaker 23: this week, so employment numbers.

1792
01:24:53,720 --> 01:24:55,479
Speaker 24: And what they do is going to be important.

1793
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 23: But the really important one is going to be the

1794
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 23: quarterly CPI print that we get on the twenty ninth

1795
01:25:00,720 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 23: of October. So that last bit of information will either

1796
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:05,760
Speaker 23: make or break the idea that the RBA gets to

1797
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 23: cut again this year or not. I think the RBA

1798
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,640
Speaker 23: is near the end. I don't think that they have

1799
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:12,439
Speaker 23: a lot of reason to be cutting a lot further,

1800
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:14,719
Speaker 23: but they may yet be able to cut a little

1801
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:15,080
Speaker 23: bit further.

1802
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:15,519
Speaker 3: You know.

1803
01:25:15,560 --> 01:25:17,560
Speaker 23: I think the the RBA setting us up for the

1804
01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 23: idea that we're nearing the end, that there isn't necessarily a.

1805
01:25:20,840 --> 01:25:22,639
Speaker 6: Good reason to be cutting a lot further from here.

1806
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:23,760
Speaker 3: And that's what I think we got out of the

1807
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 3: minute today.

1808
01:25:24,280 --> 01:25:25,880
Speaker 2: What are you expecting in the CPI print.

1809
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 23: We think that the trim mean measure will allow the

1810
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,840
Speaker 23: RBA just enough room the points that it'll be a

1811
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 23: point seven on the quarter. That's what we're looking for,

1812
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:37,400
Speaker 23: and that's that's the key figure to be looking for,

1813
01:25:38,439 --> 01:25:40,640
Speaker 23: you know, the we'll see. I don't know what the

1814
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 23: consensus is yet, because of course it's a couple of

1815
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 23: weeks away still, but the RBA was looking for it

1816
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,160
Speaker 23: to potentially at their last set of full cast to

1817
01:25:47,200 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 23: be a point six or a point seven about that

1818
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 23: sort of mark. And so they're talking about the risk

1819
01:25:51,560 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 23: of some upside surprise to that measure, and a lot

1820
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 23: of it's based on this monthly CPI indicator that we

1821
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,040
Speaker 23: get in Australia, a little bit like the selected price

1822
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,479
Speaker 23: indicators that you get in New Zealand. And I think

1823
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 23: it's still early days for reading too much into those

1824
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,360
Speaker 23: indicators because I think they're still not necessarily that good

1825
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:10,840
Speaker 23: a guide to the final quarterly print. So that quarterly

1826
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 23: print's going to mean a lot for Australia. The market

1827
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 23: at the moment's pricing about a forty percent, chants that

1828
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:16,320
Speaker 23: the RBA will cut in November.

1829
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 2: What do you make of our migration stats which came

1830
01:26:19,800 --> 01:26:22,160
Speaker 2: out yesterday, Well, they.

1831
01:26:22,120 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 3: Looked very weak.

1832
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 23: I mean I think that you know, it's pretty clear

1833
01:26:26,760 --> 01:26:30,200
Speaker 23: still that the labor market is quite soggy, quite soft

1834
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:33,799
Speaker 23: in New Zealand. And with that, you're still seeing Kiwis

1835
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:36,280
Speaker 23: wanting to move to Australia, where the labor market is

1836
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:38,639
Speaker 23: actually still holding up pretty well. And you know, we're

1837
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 23: basically at full employment and there's still jobs available here

1838
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 23: for Kewis to move into.

1839
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,320
Speaker 3: So, you know, the thing we.

1840
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 23: Haven't seen happened as fast as we might have thought

1841
01:26:48,280 --> 01:26:50,639
Speaker 23: was that the Kiwi economy, the New Zealand economy, hasn't

1842
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:53,600
Speaker 23: really turned around as quickly. That GDP print in the

1843
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 23: second quarter was of course very weak, and the RBNZ

1844
01:26:56,280 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 23: responded with their fifty basis point cut. You know, the

1845
01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:01,439
Speaker 23: economy hasn't turned around quite as quickly as we thought

1846
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 23: it might. We thought the high dairy prices and the

1847
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,120
Speaker 23: really sharp decline and interest rates that we'd already seen

1848
01:27:07,160 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 23: would get things going. It's taking a bit longer, I

1849
01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:12,960
Speaker 23: think than we'd anticipated. So that's seeing the labor market

1850
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 23: work loose, and because the labor markets wheat, people are

1851
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,360
Speaker 23: choosing to still continue to flow across the taskment.

1852
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,840
Speaker 2: Paul, correct me if I'm wrong, But I recall that

1853
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,439
Speaker 2: we had a discussion about the different approaches that the

1854
01:27:24,600 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 2: arbyans Ind and the RBA was taking, and that the

1855
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 2: RB and Z was going hard on just trying to

1856
01:27:28,200 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 2: control inflation, whereas the RBA was considering inflation and unemployment

1857
01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:36,160
Speaker 2: at the same time. Have we reached a point at

1858
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:37,920
Speaker 2: which we can say one approach is correct in the

1859
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 2: other knot, or one is better.

1860
01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 21: I think we can.

1861
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:42,920
Speaker 23: We did have that conversation We've had a number of

1862
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:47,080
Speaker 23: times on this program, and I think we were waiting

1863
01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:49,600
Speaker 23: to make a judgment as to how weather it was

1864
01:27:49,680 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 23: better to lean in really hard with interest rate rises

1865
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:54,799
Speaker 23: like the RB and Z did and get inflation down fast,

1866
01:27:55,160 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 23: of course, at the cost of slowing the economy down more,

1867
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 23: or take a more gradualist approach, which is what THEA did.

1868
01:28:00,479 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 23: They lifted rates by less, slow the economy by less,

1869
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 23: and got inflation down more slowly. It took longer, but

1870
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 23: they did get there. In the end, I think, you know,

1871
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:09,880
Speaker 23: you can sit back and say that it looks as

1872
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:13,559
Speaker 23: though the RBA took a better approach. The RBA's approach

1873
01:28:13,640 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 23: is delivered outcomes that have been a bit easier to absorb.

1874
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 23: The economy didn't tip into a recession last year. It's

1875
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 23: back into an economic upswing. The unemployment rate is steady

1876
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 23: at full employment, and inflation's on target. And I guess

1877
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,439
Speaker 23: in New Zealand, you know, hitting the economy hard did

1878
01:28:29,479 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 23: get inflation down, but it's brought along some costs with it,

1879
01:28:33,240 --> 01:28:35,800
Speaker 23: and it's still those costs are still there. It's not

1880
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 23: clear that the New Zealand economy is quite out of

1881
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,080
Speaker 23: this yet, but that upswing has gotten going solidly yet.

1882
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating stuff.

1883
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 16: Paul.

1884
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you as always. Thank you

1885
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 2: so much, mate. We'll talk to you soon. Paul Bloxham's

1886
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 2: HSBC Chief Economists here. The chippy ist chromeic coming across

1887
01:28:50,520 --> 01:28:52,719
Speaker 2: as weak and desperate by not ruling out the Maldi

1888
01:28:52,840 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: party too early, Steve too early. I think, Look, I

1889
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,200
Speaker 2: mean parties, parties go through this kind of stuff, right,

1890
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:02,840
Speaker 2: Let's put it in perspective. Parties go through their things

1891
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 2: they go through, their their personnel who behave badly, MPs

1892
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:10,080
Speaker 2: who behave badly. This is not unusual and I think

1893
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 2: there is there is at this point in the term

1894
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:15,799
Speaker 2: that have to be something really crazy big for Tippy

1895
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,719
Speaker 2: to go right. I absolutely cannot work with a slot.

1896
01:29:17,800 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 2: I don't think this meants the threshold. But if they

1897
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 2: cannot get their act together by roughly this time next year,

1898
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,519
Speaker 2: which is a very high chance, he will have to

1899
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,680
Speaker 2: rule them out then. But on that actually there was

1900
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 2: so the email that I've been speaking about that was

1901
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 2: sent out last night had some really interesting things in it,

1902
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 2: including this interesting admission. This is this is from the

1903
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 2: Maori Party leadership toy tow Tetarriti, which is you know

1904
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 2: that that that activist movement that was started, you know,

1905
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 2: the protests that were started to oppose the Treaty Principal's bill.

1906
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:51,200
Speaker 2: Toy tow Tetarriti was set up by tepat Maori activists.

1907
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 2: It was purposely designed to build a soft bridge in

1908
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 2: and around support with the party Maori without occasioning formal membership,

1909
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,640
Speaker 2: et cetera. Now, why I think that is important is

1910
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 2: because do you remember at the time of those hikoy

1911
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:08,400
Speaker 2: and those protest movements. It was being painted by some

1912
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: as this organic like just this organic thing that was

1913
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 2: happening because all of these people both you know, Tanga

1914
01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:19,200
Speaker 2: Ta Tarriti and Tanga to Tana to Fenuwa were just

1915
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 2: so upset about what was happening. They're all just organically

1916
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 2: getting together and no, not at all. Edu was doing it.

1917
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:28,360
Speaker 2: Edu was the vice president and Edu was also the organizer,

1918
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:29,760
Speaker 2: and he was doing it on purpose, and it was

1919
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:30,759
Speaker 2: set up by them on purpose.

1920
01:30:30,760 --> 01:30:31,160
Speaker 6: So there you go.

1921
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 2: You will not have to die wandering. You now know

1922
01:30:33,960 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 2: because they sent out the email. There is something that

1923
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:38,640
Speaker 2: I need to talk to you about because I before

1924
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,120
Speaker 2: I forget and I've been meaning to talk to you

1925
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:41,800
Speaker 2: about this for a couple of days. Do you remember

1926
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 2: last week we talked about the drug decriminalization because the

1927
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 2: Drug Foundation reckons we need to decriminalize all the drugs

1928
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 2: in the country or solve all the problems. Just so

1929
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:54,720
Speaker 2: I just think, take a trip to k Road for me,

1930
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 2: if you live in Auckland, take a trip to k

1931
01:30:56,560 --> 01:30:58,880
Speaker 2: Road on a Saturday morning or a Sunday morning and

1932
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:00,439
Speaker 2: go and have a look what that was look like.

1933
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:04,160
Speaker 2: Because it is alarming what happens. We basically have already

1934
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Speaker 2: decriminalized drugs to some extent, right, because if you go

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Speaker 2: to K Road, you will see people sitting there openly

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Speaker 2: taking drugs, openly dealing drugs. Some will tell you they

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Speaker 2: see ye a bit of fornication happening, and you can

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Speaker 2: kind of see it happening, right, So there's a lot

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Speaker 2: of behavior that's associated with the drugs that's also not great.

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Speaker 2: But the point is simply, do you think the cops

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Speaker 2: don't know that's happening. They know it's happening, They know

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Speaker 2: it's being deal the drugs are being dealt there, They

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Speaker 2: know that the drugs are being taken. You can walk past,

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Speaker 2: you can see it for yourself, first thing in the

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Speaker 2: morn And when I say first thing in the morning,

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Speaker 2: like I'm talking about ten o'clock, right, so it's not

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Speaker 2: that early. So yeah, if you're like, well, I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of interesting interested in the decriminalization, have a walk up

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Speaker 2: K Road, see if you like what it looks like,

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Speaker 2: and then we have another chat about it. Because the

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Speaker 2: more I see of this, the less I like the

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Speaker 2: idea sixteen away from seven croaching the.

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Speaker 3: Numbers and getting the results.

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Speaker 1: It's hither to the sea Elan with the business hour

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Speaker 1: and mass for insurance investments and Kiwi safer you're in

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Speaker 1: good hands news talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be hither back to the French thing. There's an

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Speaker 2: argument that English is just bad French anyway, Thank you, Graham.

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Speaker 2: Thirteen away from seven in the Brady UK corresponds with

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Speaker 2: us Aloinda, Hey, Heather.

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Speaker 24: I'm reminded. I saw a sign a ran a marathon

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Speaker 24: in Germany at the weekend and a lady was holding

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Speaker 24: up a sign and it said pain is just the

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Speaker 24: French word for bread. Made me laugh.

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Speaker 8: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Hey, who's Kostama going to blame for the text rises?

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Speaker 24: Well, this is delicious, absolutely delicious. He's pinning it on

1968
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Speaker 24: Nigel Farage and breaks it, so it's gonna get nasty.

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Speaker 24: I think in the coming weeks. The budget is due

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Speaker 24: in November and they reckon there will be somewhere in

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Speaker 24: the region of about forty billion dollars of a black

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Speaker 24: hole to fill, and that can only be done with

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Speaker 24: tax rises.

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Speaker 9: Now.

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Speaker 24: Starmer said in his manifesto that categorically there would be

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Speaker 24: no tax rises if he became Prime Minister. Clearly that

1977
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Speaker 24: has gone out the window because the economic situation here

1978
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Speaker 24: is so dire. His people are now letting it be known,

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Speaker 24: and it's in the papers today that if there are

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Speaker 24: tax rises in this budget, he will blame Brexit, the

1981
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Speaker 24: mess it has created, the damage to the UK economy,

1982
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Speaker 24: and he will point the finger squarely at Nigel Farage.

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Speaker 8: So it appears we're going to be in for a bit.

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Speaker 24: Of a fistfight over Brexit all over again.

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Speaker 2: Do you think they will lend.

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Speaker 24: With a certain section of the population who have a

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Speaker 24: brain and can see the economic damage bregsit has done.

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Speaker 24: I think people will be saying, well, why haven't you

1989
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Speaker 24: said this twelve to fourteen months ago? You know this,

1990
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Speaker 24: this is going on so long. I think there are

1991
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Speaker 24: far too many people out there who in the media

1992
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Speaker 24: give Farage a very easy ride. And the end result

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Speaker 24: is if you go and ask people on the street

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Speaker 24: why is the economy doing so badly, they will say, Oh,

1995
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Speaker 24: it's the migrants, Oh it's the asylum seekers. You know,

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Speaker 24: there's always someone else to blame. But the figures and

1997
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Speaker 24: facts speak for themselves. There was a report yesterday that

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Speaker 24: if Brexit had not happened, the UK economy would by

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Speaker 24: now be two hundred and forty billion dollars better off.

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Speaker 24: I mean, it is jaw dropping. And to think that

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Speaker 24: the man who blew off one economic leg is now

2002
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Speaker 24: heading towards Downing Street with a shotgun in his hand

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Speaker 24: in four years time, it's quite staggering funny.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, Tommy Robinson rickons that Elon Mask is paying

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Speaker 2: his legal fees.

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Speaker 24: Why, well, this is a very good question and it's

2007
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Speaker 24: a very interesting court case that's going on. So Tommy Robinson,

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Speaker 24: the far right activist, he is on trial in London

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Speaker 24: under anti counter terrorism legislation. Now it turns out he

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Speaker 24: was stopped at the Channel Tunnel. That is where you

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Speaker 24: drive onto a train in England and about twenty six

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Speaker 24: minutes later you pop up the other side in France

2013
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Speaker 24: and drive off the train and off you go. He

2014
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Speaker 24: was driving a high value silver Bentley which was not

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Speaker 24: registered in his name. He had only just bought his

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Speaker 24: ticket and these apparently were flat red flags for the police.

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Speaker 24: So the driver of the vehicle was pulled over. They

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Speaker 24: wind down the window and lo and behold it's Tommy Robinson.

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Speaker 24: So he is told he's being spoken to that this

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Speaker 24: has raised suspicions with the Border Police. They then search

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Speaker 24: him and the vehicle and they find twenty six thousand

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Speaker 24: dollars worth of sterling in cash and about three and

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Speaker 24: a half thousand enz dollars worth of euro So he's

2024
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Speaker 24: asked to provide his devices and he refuses to give

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Speaker 24: the officer the pin number for his mobile phone, claiming

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Speaker 24: that he's a journalist and it has sensitive information.

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Speaker 25: So that was enough.

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Speaker 24: Apparently to get him nicked under counter terrorism legislation. So

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Speaker 24: he's on trial in London. He denies the charge, but

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Speaker 24: before the trial he has taken to Musk's social media

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Speaker 24: platform of choice and declared that Musk is paying his

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Speaker 24: legal bills.

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Speaker 2: All very interesting, very interesting in the thanks very much appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Into Brady UK correspondent. Mean to say, do you know

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01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:50,519
Speaker 2: how I was telling you about the MSD survey earlier?

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Speaker 2: Got this text through hither my daughter did that survey

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Speaker 2: at a girls college here in Nelson. Everyone got a

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Speaker 2: twenty five dollar Prizzy card and a pair of headphone,

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Speaker 2: which I suppose explains why it costs two point eight

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Speaker 2: million dollars mine away from seven.

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Speaker 3: It's the Heather.

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Speaker 2: Heither, I'm another orchardist, totally against the gen technology bills.

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Speaker 2: So many things could go wrong. Sounds like it six

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Speaker 2: away from seven listen. Just on the Saudi Rugby rebel

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Speaker 2: league Nelson A Sofa Solomona has confirmed that he has

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Speaker 2: been approached by R three sixty. He says he hasn't

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Speaker 2: made up his mind just yet. He's waiting for more

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Speaker 2: information to come out on it before he makes his

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Speaker 2: mind up, because, like, let's be honest, there's a real

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Speaker 2: shortage of information here. But notably, he is a free

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Speaker 2: agent after the Melbourne Storm released him early from his

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Speaker 2: contract with him he had a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 2: but they let him out wiping us a couple of

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Speaker 2: weeks ago. So anyway, there you go. Nas another one

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Speaker 2: who could potentially be going over there. Winston, it appears,

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Speaker 2: doesn't realize this, but Winston, judging by a photograph that's

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Speaker 2: been put up on the insta, went through the the

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Speaker 2: body scanners at the airport just behind Acacia. You know

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Speaker 2: who I'm talking about, don't you. Akasha Akasha was on

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Speaker 2: the show. Akasha is Akasha O'Connor, who was the one

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Speaker 2: who stood outside Winston's house or probably more accurately slightly

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Speaker 2: up the road and doxtam and released his his you know,

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01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 2: released his his address to everybody so they could all

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Speaker 2: come down and bang the pots and shouting the loudailers

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Speaker 2: with her. Anyway, so she she knew who Winston was,

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Speaker 2: but Winston didn't know who she was. And they went

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Speaker 2: through the scanners. She went first, and then he went second.

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Speaker 2: And the little thing says, when uncle fails to realize,

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Speaker 2: I recognize he's standing beside the legendary woman he unsuccessfully

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Speaker 2: attempted to destroy just last week, should have gone to specsavers. Well,

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Speaker 2: I didn't see proof that he tried to destroy her,

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Speaker 2: but I did see proof that she basically destroyed the

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Speaker 2: thing herself.

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Speaker 25: Anyway, as we're going to go with violent by Stella

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Speaker 25: to play us out tonight. So Stella, the Mockers, and

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Speaker 25: the dudes are all going to go on a tour

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Speaker 25: over the summer. It's been called the Ready to Roll Tour.

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Speaker 25: Do you remember that show Ready to Roll? It was

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Speaker 25: like it was like a chart show that ran on Saturdays.

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Speaker 25: Like yeah, so this is being built as like a

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Speaker 25: tribute to that. I don't understand how except these guys

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Speaker 25: all charted back then. But yeah, the shows will be

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Speaker 25: at Fittiunga, Arrowtown, Havelock, North made Stone and in zib Brewtown,

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01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:26,160
Speaker 25: Waihiki Island, Waymuku, Hamilton and Nelson. The ticket to go

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Speaker 25: on sale in a couple of days and they're all

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Speaker 25: over like the end of December to the start of February.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't it a great time when you could go home

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Speaker 2: and just sit there and watch music videos?

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Speaker 25: Absolutely? I miss it so much. I mean you can

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Speaker 25: still do it on YouTube you know yourself now, which

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Speaker 25: I still do sometimes.

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Speaker 2: But they suck now because nobody sits in front of

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Speaker 2: the telly, So they make crappy music videos, don't they.

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Speaker 25: Well, and there's not as much money in the music industry,

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Speaker 25: so the budgets they had for music videos in like

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Speaker 25: the late nineties, some of the videos they made back then,

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Speaker 25: you'll just never see again.

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Speaker 2: Do you think people fall in love with bands in

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Speaker 2: the way that we did because we just sat there

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Speaker 2: consuming them?

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Speaker 20: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: Music.

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Speaker 25: Music is a universal thing across humanity over thousands of years.

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Speaker 25: I don't think they'll go.

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Speaker 2: Thought that got deep really quickly. The question there's a

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Speaker 2: question about youthful lust and then it just became about humanity.

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Speaker 2: But the music videos as good now, they aren't Rubbishaye.

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Speaker 2: I went to watch the cold Play on the other

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Speaker 2: day immediately regretted it. Anyway, You enjoy your evening and

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Speaker 2: we'll see you tomorrow. News to.

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Speaker 25: Whoa W.

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