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Speaker 2: Hell are you Great, New Zealanders? Welcome to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Afternoon's the full show podcast for Wednesday, the eleventh

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Speaker 2: of December and the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: Four's great show today. At the very end of the show,

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Speaker 2: that's a wee way away. It's a couple of hours

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Speaker 2: away for you, maybe an hour away for you. Is

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Speaker 2: the complete rules of shotgun etiquette. The person sitting in

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Speaker 2: the passenger seat, there was a great chat and boy, boy,

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Speaker 2: the phones lighting up in the text were lighting up.

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Speaker 2: We also went deep into fiery chat and it turns

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Speaker 2: out I don't know much about this whole fairy situation

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Speaker 2: after the announcement from their government that they've got an

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Speaker 2: announcement on the fairies coming up down the track, so

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Speaker 2: it was a bit of an announcement of an announcement

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Speaker 2: and Tyler. The other topic we got stuck into was.

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Speaker 3: Cash is king. A lot of people pretty pretty hot

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Speaker 3: on their love of cash. Is on the back of

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Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank want to have a digital currency, but

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Speaker 3: people love their cash.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, because ladies and gentlemen, the banks want

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Speaker 2: to give it to the cash. Yeah, because they want

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Speaker 2: the control and they want to clip the ticket the

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Speaker 2: whole time. So if we want to keep cash existing

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Speaker 2: in our world, what we need to do is start

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Speaker 2: flicking the folding around.

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Speaker 4: Yep, when I didn't need.

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Speaker 2: To get out the Sir Rutherford's, the the ernest Rutherfords.

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Speaker 2: Throw them around, all right. Then, fantastic show for you today,

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Speaker 2: so enjoy it. Seem busy. I'll let you go give

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Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

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Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons New for twenty twenty four News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: News Talks. D be Welcome into the show. Seven past one.

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Speaker 3: I hope you're doing well on this Wednesday, Ghetto mates

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Speaker 3: get a.

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Speaker 2: So we've been hyping up this announcement from the government

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Speaker 2: on the faery and what's going to happen, but slightly

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Speaker 2: confusing what's gone down?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll tell you more very shortly, but a quick

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Speaker 3: preview on the rest of the show. After three o'clock,

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Speaker 3: we want to talk about sausages. Got an interesting email

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Speaker 3: Matt and I did from a guy called gross up

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Speaker 3: in Northland who was upset that there was too much

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Speaker 3: fat in his sausages. Reliable sausages. These were from a

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Speaker 3: were just dripping with fat.

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Speaker 4: So what's happened to our sausage?

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Speaker 2: So we're just a juxtaposition there. I was talking about

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Speaker 2: the fairies and you just threw sausages at me. Okay,

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Speaker 2: sausages it is. Yeah, So sausage is supposed to have

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Speaker 2: thirty percent fat. This guy reckons there's more fat in them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And sausage quality is going down according to this guy.

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Speaker 3: And barbecue season. So we're gonna have a chat about

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Speaker 3: that after three o'clock. After two o'clock, do you still

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Speaker 3: use cash? Most of New Zealand are still keen on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well you've got to carry some cash around on you,

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Speaker 2: I reckon, Well, you're going to have some cash in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, that's going to be a good chat after

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Speaker 3: Finance Minister Nicola Willis give details into what is going

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Speaker 3: to be the replacement for our Into Islander ferries on

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Speaker 3: decision will ensure, she says, New Zealanders has that safe,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's huge questions in what exactly they're getting.

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Speaker 2: But a funding envelope, that's what they're talking about that

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Speaker 3: No, So we've got a bit of audio from Finance

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Speaker 3: Minister Nikola Willis. Here's what she had to say.

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Speaker 5: The new company established to procure the fairies will be

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Speaker 5: a limited liability company listed and scheduled for a of

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Speaker 5: the Public Finance Action nineteen eighty nine. The shareholding ministers

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Speaker 5: Ministers of Finance and Transport. The company will have two roles.

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Speaker 5: The first will be to undertake the procurement process for

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Speaker 5: The second will better support officials to work with ports, key,

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Speaker 5: faery procurement with confidence, and those processes are expected to

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Speaker 5: Of the landside developments won't be known until the project

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Speaker 5: will be smaller, but also because the ports will not

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Speaker 5: be gold plated. To ensure the best possible solution is

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Speaker 5: forward alternative proposals for a ferry service during the first

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Speaker 5: stage of the procurement process up till March. Any alternative

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Speaker 5: proposals received will be assessed along with the results of

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Speaker 3: So interesting comments there from the Finance Minister Nicola Willis,

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Speaker 3: I mean the opening it up to further alternative options

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Speaker 3: I think they still don't have a firm plan in place.

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Speaker 3: This is still a little bit up in the year

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Speaker 2: Whether she said they're confident that they can deliver for

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Speaker 2: significantly less because the fairies are smaller, but because the

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Speaker 2: land side infrastructure will not be gold plated. But she

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Speaker 2: wasn't Chriss saying that his sources said that the fairies

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And there was a whole lot of leaking going on

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Speaker 3: irex project. But this is not what we're hearing today,

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Speaker 3: very very different.

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Speaker 2: Chris Hipkins sources didn't didn't tell him that it was

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Speaker 4: That's right back to those old days.

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Speaker 3: There was a question put to the Finance Minister will

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Speaker 3: Kiwi Rail operate the new Fairies? If not, why not?

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Speaker 3: And there was some controversy over whether Kiwi Rail is

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Speaker 2: So when she says that there's a new company, that

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Speaker 2: new company's being formed to buy the fairies.

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Speaker 3: That is my understanding. But here was her answer to

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Speaker 3: that question. Now working an assumption is that Fairies purchased

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Speaker 3: KiwiRail on terms to be determined. If we receive a

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Speaker 3: think that's the interesting point because if you take the

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Speaker 3: people have been calling for, you let KiwiRail look after

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, so you buy them the Fairies and then

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Speaker 2: get someone else to operate them.

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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty from what you've heard

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Speaker 3: reporter Georgina Campbell very shortly. But with that in mind

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Right, But she said that they are going to

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Speaker 2: land side infrastructure, right, yeah, so you would be it

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Speaker 2: would be someone else running the fairies, correct, Yeah, would

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about that, man, if you take

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Speaker 3: that operation away from Kiwi Rail and give it to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean Bluebridge is do a pretty good job,

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Speaker 2: and you know Kiwi Rail. There's a big difference between

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Speaker 2: a good think about that. Tyler so I eight hundred

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Speaker 2: What is this announcement of a nothing? This is a joke.

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Speaker 2: This is an announcement of nothing, an announcement of an announcement,

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Speaker 2: an announcement of an announcement. The government is stalling. Weezel words,

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Speaker 2: what if we heard I heard nothing?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well keen to hear from you on that O

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Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty. Was it a

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Speaker 3: mistake to get up there in front of General send

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Speaker 3: the nation to give an announcement on an announcement without

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Speaker 3: the details being properly ironed out. Love to hear from

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Speaker 3: you on this one. Just a reminder we are going

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Speaker 3: to catch up with out a senior Wellington, reported Georgina Campbell.

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Speaker 3: She's been across this story from the get go. We're

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Speaker 3: also hoping to catch up with Infrastructure New Zealand CEO

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Speaker 3: Nick Leggett, who's been hot on this as well. It

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heathen, Tyler Adams Afternoons you for

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four used talk said.

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Speaker 4: Be it's eighteen past one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I must heard there. So she said that

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Speaker 2: there would be rail freight on the ferry, not necessarily rail,

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Speaker 3: And just to reiterate the eye of this new company,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so lots of text coming through here, Hi guys,

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Speaker 2: Hi, how are you both very good?

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Speaker 4: So effectively?

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Speaker 3: There's not much detail in this particular stand up from

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Speaker 7: Look, it sets the it gives us a bit more information.

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Speaker 7: But we've also we also send to forget in these

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Speaker 2: What did you take from that?

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Speaker 7: I didn't that level of detail wasn't there. What I

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Speaker 7: But look, it's good to get this stair today. I mean,

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Speaker 3: These are going to be brand new fairies, Nick, And

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Speaker 7: Well they did it with Irex right. The problem with Irex,

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Speaker 2: So rail freight capability as opposed to roll the trains on.

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Speaker 3: So the big blowout with the i REX project neck

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Speaker 7: I would have confidence because they're not having to build

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Speaker 3: Nick great to get your expertise. Thank you very much

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Speaker 3: New Zealand CEO will take your calls on this. How

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Speaker 3: do you feel about this announcement of these new purpose

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Speaker 3: built fairies. The government has committed to establishing this company

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Speaker 3: that will procure these two new fairies and then at

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Speaker 3: that point we'll determine how much it's going to cost.

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Speaker 4: But love to hear your thoughts on this one.

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Speaker 3: Oh e one hundred and eighty ten eighty confidence there

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Speaker 4: What do you say? It is twenty seven past one, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newsmakers the mic asking.

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Speaker 8: Breakfast banks have been busted refusing to bank some petrol

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Speaker 9: We've had quite a few petrol stations and is that

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Speaker 1: Hither duplusyen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast back tomorrow at

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Speaker 3: That'd be good afternoon. It has half past one. Plenty

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Speaker 3: of texts coming through about these fairy announcements.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is some detail from Willis and an announcement

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Speaker 2: of an announcement. It's also showing Hipkins to be increasingly irrelevant.

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Speaker 2: than what actually came out. Guys, anyone who thinks national

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Speaker 2: the bloody pickle Tasmania in buying fairies that are too

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Speaker 2: and I don't did they say if the fairies are

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Speaker 2: equipped with autopilot, I hope not. Cheers, John, keep those

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Speaker 2: texts coming through and we're going to pick this up

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Speaker 3: Of course, plenty of phone calls coming through on people

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Speaker 4: A chat about this.

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Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty if you want to

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Speaker 3: jump in on this conversation as well, And just a reminder,

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Speaker 3: we are going to have a chat to our senior

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Speaker 3: Wellington reporter, Georgina Campbell. She's been working on this story

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Speaker 3: from the get go, so we've got plenty of questions

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Speaker 3: that we.

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Speaker 4: Will put to her.

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Speaker 3: But right now it is twenty nine to two headlines

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Speaker 3: coming up. Then we'll take some of your calls.

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Speaker 10: You talk said, be headlines with blue bubble taxis. It's

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Speaker 10: no trouble with a blue bubble. The government says it'll

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Speaker 10: set up a company to procure two new cook straight

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Speaker 10: fairies to replace the aging inter Island a fleet after

448
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Speaker 10: scrapping plans about a year ago. It says commercial sensitivities

449
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Speaker 10: mean the cost can't be revealed. Winston Peters been appointed

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Speaker 10: Minister for Rail. Police are hunting a man accused of

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Speaker 10: a fatal shooting in Lower Huts nine I yesterday is

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Speaker 10: a thirty year old man with a large build and

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Speaker 10: full facial tattoos, believed to have gang affiliations. A thirty

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Speaker 10: seven year old man accused of murder by fatally running

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Speaker 10: over a man in a driveway in Auckland's Massy has

456
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Speaker 10: entered no plea in court. Greenpeace says the government's emissions

457
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Speaker 10: plan isn't worth the paper it's written on. Policies include

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Speaker 10: more renewable energy projects and introducing a network of ten

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Speaker 10: thousand EVY charging points and agricultural emissions pricing by twenty thirty.

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Speaker 10: A Queensland University report shows tourism's greenhouse gas pollution has

461
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Speaker 10: grown twice as fast as the rest of the world economy.

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Speaker 10: Sixty six cars stack twenty levels high. The new apartment

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Speaker 10: block offering space saving solutions. You can see more at

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Speaker 10: ends and heral premium are back to Matteethan Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Ray Lean. Well, as we've been

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Speaker 3: talking about. The government says it will set up a

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Speaker 3: new company to procure two new Cookstraateth ferries to replace

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Speaker 3: the aging into Island a fleet. It's been under pressure,

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Speaker 3: as we know, to offer alternatives after scrapping plans for

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Speaker 3: rail enabled theories and upgraded port infrastructure that was called

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Speaker 3: the i REX project about a year ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've got Max here, who was involved in

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Speaker 2: the i REX project.

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Speaker 11: Welcome to the show, guy, Thanks for the opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Good to have you on. So let's start off with

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Speaker 3: what was announced at one o'clock. Max, how did you

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Speaker 3: feel about the idea of a new company to procure

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Speaker 3: two new fairies? And there's still some questions around the

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Speaker 3: overall cost.

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Speaker 11: Well, I think you know, going there's many many different

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Speaker 11: variables in this whole project. Having worked on large projects

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Speaker 11: all my life, and the procurement of the fairies in

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Speaker 11: the first place, or the procurement of the actual whole

484
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Speaker 11: pro RX project was in my opinion, doomed to fail

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Speaker 11: from the start.

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Speaker 12: The model was wrong.

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Speaker 11: It was a cost plus model rather than a you know,

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Speaker 11: attended type model.

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Speaker 2: So so so what do you mean by what? Sorry, Max,

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Speaker 2: what do you mean by cost plus model?

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Speaker 11: Well, the was a cost open book type things, So

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Speaker 11: costs were put on the table then as a margin added,

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Speaker 11: and that's that sort of models. And there was no

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Speaker 11: real in my opinion, no real cost control to the

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Speaker 11: level of scruggy that that should have been in that project.

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Speaker 11: So that project was doomed to fail in my opinion

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Speaker 11: from the part, it was always going to blow out

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Speaker 11: and it was always going to do things. And the

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Speaker 11: other big consideration for all these large projects is stakeholder

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Speaker 11: engagement and compliance. Compliance costs are probably fifty percent of

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Speaker 11: a large project, so to comply with RMA regulations, stakeholder regulations,

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Speaker 11: stakeholder requests, all those sorts of things, so they bury

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Speaker 11: the project before they even got started. The actual fairies

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Speaker 11: were very cheap for what they were, the beautiful fairies.

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Speaker 11: They were amazing, but a kid and the fairies for

506
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Speaker 11: five hundred million to buy were actually very very good

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Speaker 11: value for money and to be fired to Hindai to

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Speaker 11: be fed a ken day. The goalpost got shipped in

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Speaker 11: about four times during the process and they never charged

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Speaker 11: us for any of that during that process. But it

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Speaker 11: was only after after the final death knell by the

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Speaker 11: National government, which in my opinion was the right thing

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Speaker 11: to do, even though it was my livelihood, it was

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Speaker 11: the right thing to do to stop that project, take

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Speaker 11: a breath and go again and set it up correctly. Look,

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Speaker 11: which is what they're trying to do now, and I

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Speaker 11: applaud them for that.

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Speaker 2: So the problem, as far as you're concern wasn't the fairies,

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Speaker 2: it was the landside set up.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, well there's a bit of that, you know, like

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Speaker 11: they were designing for a one on two thousand year

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Speaker 11: flood of it, which I don't know about you, but

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Speaker 11: I'm going to make two thousand years. But that seemed

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Speaker 11: ridiculously over the top. And I'll give you an example.

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Speaker 11: The piles that were going to be driven at f

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Speaker 11: f a point. Instead of been thirty or forty meters

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Speaker 11: into the substrate, we're going to have to go up

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Speaker 11: to seventy meters and more of them just to cope

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Speaker 11: with a seismical weather event of one in two thousand

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Speaker 11: year frequency. So didn't make any sense to me.

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Speaker 2: What would be the normal frequency that you'd be looking

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Speaker 2: to design something for in terms of years?

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Speaker 11: Well, most things, most infrastructure, like civil infrastructures built for

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Speaker 11: one and two hundred, one and five hundred. Maybe if

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Speaker 11: it's a significant piece of kit like an electrical power

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Speaker 11: station or something like that, five hundred year event, but

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Speaker 11: it depends on the environment where it's locate. I mean

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Speaker 11: Obviously it's a seismic environment in Wellington, so that makes

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Speaker 11: a difference anyway. But the existing in my view, where

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Speaker 11: we go wrong is we look at things and go

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Speaker 11: going forward really too design for one and five hundred years,

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Speaker 11: but rather than look at what's there existing and go

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Speaker 11: this has survived really really well for forty years. Let's

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Speaker 11: double its capacity so we get one hundred or two

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Speaker 11: hundred years out of it rather than actually two thousand years,

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Speaker 11: you know. And to me, that's where we go wrong

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Speaker 11: as a civil infrastructure industry.

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Speaker 4: And why didn't they do that? Max?

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Speaker 3: So, as you mentioned before, we actually got this contract

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Speaker 3: for the ferries at are pretty reasonable cost considering what

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Speaker 3: the ferries were going to be able to do. But

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Speaker 3: why didn't Grant Robinson or indeed, in this case, Nicola

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Speaker 3: Willis when she came on as Finance minist to look

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Speaker 3: at the plan for the infrastructure spend and say that

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Speaker 3: is crazy, Faeries, good, go back to the drawing board

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Speaker 3: on infrastructure because they ain't going to cut it.

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Speaker 11: That's a very very good question and I can't answer that.

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Speaker 11: But yeah, had I been the labor equivalent to Nicola Willis,

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Speaker 11: it's exactly what I would have been asking right from

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Speaker 11: day dot.

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Speaker 13: What is this going to look like?

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Speaker 11: You know, why are we doing this? Why are we're

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Speaker 11: doing that?

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Speaker 7: You know?

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Speaker 11: And the two design companies were well, they made they made.

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Speaker 11: They did it right out of it, I think, and

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Speaker 11: so did the two construction companies, bearing in mind that

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Speaker 11: not a lot of construction Wilson enabling where it's done,

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Speaker 11: but not a lot of construction of the heavy infrastructure

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Speaker 11: was undertaken. So look, I don't want to I'm not

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Speaker 11: going to throw people out of the bus, but there

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Speaker 11: was a bunch of decisions made by a bunch of people,

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Speaker 11: in my opinion, that shouldn't really be making those decisions.

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Speaker 14: But here we are.

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Speaker 11: You know, we're hopefully with this reset now we should

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Speaker 11: get good fairies because realistically, the only liability problems major

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Speaker 11: liability problems with the ships on the water themselves the

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Speaker 11: pict infrastructure. The wharf is pretty old and needs replacing anyway,

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Speaker 11: so that's fair enough. But the Wellington wharf is actually

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Speaker 11: not too bad. And the other problem that the new

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Speaker 11: fair is going to create was all the extra traffic

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Speaker 11: loading on the roading network was going to be a

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Speaker 11: major problem at sard A point at peak loading times.

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Speaker 7: For vehicles getting on or off.

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Speaker 11: Five hundred hicles trying to get off a ferry at

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Speaker 11: five o'clock on a Friday afternoon in Wellington.

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Speaker 6: This is not going to work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So infrastructure aside, and I know that that's a

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Speaker 3: big part of the equation here. But all this talk

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Speaker 3: about rail enabled fairies and we've got to have that

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Speaker 3: and if we don't then we're missing a trick and

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Speaker 3: we're not going to future proof. Was that kind of

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Speaker 3: a bit nonsense that we didn't really need to have

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Speaker 3: rail enabled fairies?

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Speaker 11: Look, in my opinion, no, I don't think we do.

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Speaker 11: I mean, the key rail are pretty They're not perfect

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Speaker 11: at some things, but they're pretty good at getting fate

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Speaker 11: on and off the fairies pretty efficiently. So having wagons

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Speaker 11: that can roll on roll off without the trains is fine.

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Speaker 11: The infrastructure is already there. We've been doing it for

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Speaker 11: thirty years or twenty years now with the fairies we've got,

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Speaker 11: so to me, it made perfect sense to have a good,

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Speaker 11: reliable theory that's economically environmentally friendly and all that good stuff.

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Speaker 11: But the roll on roll off thing is real nice

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Speaker 11: to have. That's not going to add a heck of

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Speaker 11: a lot. I don't think Key rail people will probably

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Speaker 11: shoot me for saying that, but bi viewers watching them

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Speaker 11: operate the off with their wagons, it's actually pretty efficient,

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Speaker 11: take longer to load the cars and the truck rail wagons,

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Speaker 11: so it doesn't seem to be a major problem to me.

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Speaker 2: And that sounds pretty much like what Nicholas Willis. Nichola

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Speaker 2: Willis is suggesting now that that that will just continue

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Speaker 2: with the new Fairies.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, and so it should. I mean, it's pretty slick

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Speaker 11: operation down there at both ends of the faery terminals.

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Speaker 11: So really, excuse me, Really, they just need to keep

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Speaker 11: doing that efficiency find any other little efficiencies they can.

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Speaker 11: But there's no there's no real harm in having a

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Speaker 11: train shunting rails, carriages on and off the Fairies.

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Speaker 2: In my view, well, there's no doubt it'd be super

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Speaker 2: cool to have the super flash Fairies with super flash

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Speaker 2: landside infrastructure and trains that could just go on and off. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but unfortunately we went not that wealth for your country.

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Speaker 11: Yeah max out of percent man, you know, like you know,

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Speaker 11: you look at any of the big large infrastructure projects

627
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Speaker 11: around the place, you could save a truckload of money

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Speaker 11: by by cutting a lot of cost or cutting your

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Speaker 11: cloth to suit your budget, which is what you do

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Speaker 11: in your own house, right, So I don't understand why

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Speaker 11: the government should be any different. So I applaud for

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Speaker 11: what they're trying to do. I just hope they get

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Speaker 11: the right people in place to make this project a success,

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Speaker 11: because all of that was a good roleval fiery service

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Speaker 11: olds really.

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Speaker 3: Yep, nicely said Max. Great to have you on. Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much. O eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: There's the number to call love to hear from you

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Speaker 3: on this It is seventeen to two.

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Speaker 1: Mattie Taylor Adams with you as your afternoon rolls on,

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Speaker 1: matt Even Taylor Adams Afternoon US Talk said.

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Speaker 2: Be a bunch of texts coming through on this faery

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Speaker 2: announcement of an announcement. There was some meat in there,

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Speaker 2: but showing it again, what a bloody genius Luxons says

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Speaker 2: this text Supreme manager getting things done back on track.

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Speaker 2: Clearly Winston Peters has refused to agree to the proposal,

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Speaker 2: which Hipkins exposed.

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Speaker 3: Well, I don't think there's quite the case, considering he's

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Speaker 3: now the Minister of Rail that got announced at the

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Speaker 3: same time.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what they're saying is that he scuttled

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Speaker 2: what they had planned just to screw over Hipkins. I

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Speaker 2: need to see some evidence on there, the picture of

654
00:32:08,773 --> 00:32:11,453
Speaker 2: the New Fairies already two miniature container ships that can

655
00:32:11,493 --> 00:32:15,253
Speaker 2: carry some passengers. On top of the stupidity of having

656
00:32:15,253 --> 00:32:18,893
Speaker 2: the ships arriving before the birthing was ready, they were

657
00:32:18,893 --> 00:32:20,933
Speaker 2: not sure that the Fairies could get through the shortcut

658
00:32:20,973 --> 00:32:24,133
Speaker 2: and the sounds. That's from Ted all right, So lots

659
00:32:24,133 --> 00:32:26,293
Speaker 2: of text coming through and we appreciate them all.

660
00:32:26,693 --> 00:32:28,413
Speaker 4: Cliff, how do you feel about.

661
00:32:28,133 --> 00:32:34,293
Speaker 13: This after Hey, I've been thinking about this for a

662
00:32:34,333 --> 00:32:37,933
Speaker 13: while too. I'm in the transport industry as such. Why

663
00:32:37,973 --> 00:32:40,973
Speaker 13: are the theories not been put on between Wellington and

664
00:32:41,053 --> 00:32:44,333
Speaker 13: christ Church Now? Probably eighty percent of the freight coming

665
00:32:44,373 --> 00:32:48,173
Speaker 13: from north to south comes out of christ Church. Anyway,

666
00:32:48,653 --> 00:32:53,133
Speaker 13: to me, they should be running the new Fairies. Bluebirds

667
00:32:53,133 --> 00:32:56,493
Speaker 13: could stay the where they are now and they put

668
00:32:56,493 --> 00:32:59,413
Speaker 13: the Fairies on between well Exton and christ Church. That

669
00:33:00,173 --> 00:33:03,893
Speaker 13: cuts down the amount of truck movements between Picton and

670
00:33:04,013 --> 00:33:07,893
Speaker 13: christ Church. The freight that's going into Blenham and Pickton

671
00:33:07,933 --> 00:33:11,653
Speaker 13: could cut over on Blue Bridge or get tracked up

672
00:33:11,693 --> 00:33:14,253
Speaker 13: out of christ Church, but most of it, most of

673
00:33:14,293 --> 00:33:16,533
Speaker 13: the freighter is going in any way. And the problem

674
00:33:16,533 --> 00:33:20,133
Speaker 13: with running ferries into the sounds is it's so slow.

675
00:33:20,293 --> 00:33:23,053
Speaker 13: Once they get off out of the strait, they're running

676
00:33:23,213 --> 00:33:27,213
Speaker 13: very slow time. If you worked out the sending of

677
00:33:27,293 --> 00:33:31,493
Speaker 13: something that left Wellington and then left Wellington to go

678
00:33:31,573 --> 00:33:35,653
Speaker 13: to Peckton or against christ Church, it's probably faster to

679
00:33:36,053 --> 00:33:39,093
Speaker 13: send it down to christ Church, unload it directly off

680
00:33:39,213 --> 00:33:41,493
Speaker 13: and then bring it either put it straight onto rail

681
00:33:41,613 --> 00:33:42,213
Speaker 13: or a truck.

682
00:33:44,013 --> 00:33:46,693
Speaker 2: Wellington's a lot closer to christ Church by sea then

683
00:33:46,933 --> 00:33:49,733
Speaker 2: then you know than you think. But there used to

684
00:33:49,773 --> 00:33:51,853
Speaker 2: be fairies from from christ Church to Wellington. Now, I

685
00:33:51,893 --> 00:33:54,813
Speaker 2: remember my dad telling me when he was young he

686
00:33:54,893 --> 00:33:57,853
Speaker 2: used to catch the train from Deneen to christ Church

687
00:33:57,893 --> 00:34:00,773
Speaker 2: and then the ferry up to up to Wellington. So

688
00:34:01,133 --> 00:34:03,293
Speaker 2: it was the thing at some point.

689
00:34:05,573 --> 00:34:07,293
Speaker 13: Yes, well, there was two of them that used to

690
00:34:07,373 --> 00:34:09,252
Speaker 13: run that service and they still and they had the

691
00:34:09,293 --> 00:34:11,933
Speaker 13: coastal traders as well. They used to an a coastal

692
00:34:11,973 --> 00:34:14,772
Speaker 13: trader right around based in New Zealand. They had them

693
00:34:14,773 --> 00:34:17,773
Speaker 13: into the need and then the christ They should be

694
00:34:18,013 --> 00:34:21,333
Speaker 13: moving more freight further by sea rather than trying to

695
00:34:21,413 --> 00:34:24,973
Speaker 13: pump it all between Wellington and Pickton. They don't pick

696
00:34:25,093 --> 00:34:28,252
Speaker 13: and people don't want fairies in there. They don't want

697
00:34:28,253 --> 00:34:31,333
Speaker 13: bigger fairies and they slow the big ferries down pickarese

698
00:34:31,333 --> 00:34:35,093
Speaker 13: of the wash, so divert the fairies, put them between

699
00:34:35,173 --> 00:34:38,573
Speaker 13: well to the christ Church the freight goes in.

700
00:34:40,253 --> 00:34:42,133
Speaker 2: There's there's no doubt that would be cool, Cliff. But

701
00:34:42,213 --> 00:34:45,373
Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just looking at what they's just the

702
00:34:45,413 --> 00:34:48,533
Speaker 2: price that everything has now, just to bring that into

703
00:34:48,533 --> 00:34:51,453
Speaker 2: the mix, considering what we've just been going through, and

704
00:34:51,493 --> 00:34:54,053
Speaker 2: we still don't really know exactly what's going to happen now,

705
00:34:54,853 --> 00:34:56,692
Speaker 2: I am any there.

706
00:34:57,133 --> 00:35:00,893
Speaker 3: Well, remember cliff that they looked at Clifford Bay that

707
00:35:01,213 --> 00:35:03,493
Speaker 3: was out of Marlborough. But you're right, you know, there's

708
00:35:03,533 --> 00:35:06,732
Speaker 3: been some questions about whether Pickton is now suitable for

709
00:35:06,853 --> 00:35:09,413
Speaker 3: the increasing freight and messengers that they want to get

710
00:35:09,453 --> 00:35:11,333
Speaker 3: through there. But they looked at the Clifford Bay option

711
00:35:11,773 --> 00:35:14,213
Speaker 3: and turned out it was far too expensive, so that

712
00:35:14,253 --> 00:35:16,333
Speaker 3: project got cance So it all comes down to money,

713
00:35:16,373 --> 00:35:19,133
Speaker 3: doesn't it. And the Clifford Bay proposal was a straight

714
00:35:19,213 --> 00:35:22,813
Speaker 3: run from Wellington to Clifford Bay just outside of Blenham.

715
00:35:22,813 --> 00:35:24,533
Speaker 3: So there was no going through the molbra sounds and

716
00:35:24,573 --> 00:35:27,253
Speaker 3: the productivity all measured up, but it was just the

717
00:35:27,293 --> 00:35:28,692
Speaker 3: cost factor that didn't measure up.

718
00:35:30,293 --> 00:35:33,733
Speaker 13: They've already got the fear of these services in Littleton,

719
00:35:34,653 --> 00:35:36,613
Speaker 13: you know, it wouldn't pay much for the set it

720
00:35:36,693 --> 00:35:40,933
Speaker 13: up again with a faery roll on roll off. Yeah,

721
00:35:40,973 --> 00:35:43,973
Speaker 13: and it just the time limit would be so that

722
00:35:44,053 --> 00:35:48,173
Speaker 13: the less trucks the trains, the trains are slow. Between

723
00:35:48,213 --> 00:35:51,573
Speaker 13: Pickton and christ Church, they've probably faster buy faery than

724
00:35:51,613 --> 00:35:52,933
Speaker 13: what they would be on a train.

725
00:35:53,053 --> 00:35:56,213
Speaker 2: Well, looking at estimates now, just been looking at estmates,

726
00:35:56,733 --> 00:36:01,053
Speaker 2: they have been eleven hour faery trip from Wellington to

727
00:36:01,133 --> 00:36:01,652
Speaker 2: christ Church.

728
00:36:02,293 --> 00:36:04,812
Speaker 13: Eleven hours and that's pretty good.

729
00:36:05,253 --> 00:36:07,013
Speaker 2: Yeah, well what are you now? Three and a half yeah,

730
00:36:07,053 --> 00:36:09,293
Speaker 2: three and a half to picton on and off. I

731
00:36:09,293 --> 00:36:10,813
Speaker 2: mean it'd be pretty cool. I'd be into it. I'll

732
00:36:10,813 --> 00:36:13,373
Speaker 2: be into It's a lot of time on the Enter Island. Yeah,

733
00:36:13,413 --> 00:36:16,013
Speaker 2: but you'd have cabins on there, you'd sleep on there.

734
00:36:16,093 --> 00:36:18,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, not a bad idea cliff. We'll look into that

735
00:36:18,893 --> 00:36:21,373
Speaker 3: for you, thank you very much. Oh one hundred eighty

736
00:36:21,373 --> 00:36:22,453
Speaker 3: ten eighty is the number to call.

737
00:36:22,573 --> 00:36:23,573
Speaker 4: It is nine to.

738
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Speaker 1: Two Matdeeth Tyler Adams taking your calls on oh eight

739
00:36:29,173 --> 00:36:33,453
Speaker 1: hundred eighty Maddeth and Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

740
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Speaker 13: They'd be good.

741
00:36:35,373 --> 00:36:37,813
Speaker 3: Afternoon. It is seven to two, Lola. How do you

742
00:36:37,813 --> 00:36:39,413
Speaker 3: feel about this announcement on the fairies.

743
00:36:41,253 --> 00:36:45,453
Speaker 6: Oh, well, I'm concerned about the cook straight, I mean,

744
00:36:45,613 --> 00:36:50,493
Speaker 6: the crop straight, the weather affecting the sailings with smaller

745
00:36:50,533 --> 00:36:55,333
Speaker 6: ships with smaller fairies, are they going to be able

746
00:36:55,413 --> 00:36:57,493
Speaker 6: to run on a regular basis or are they're going

747
00:36:57,533 --> 00:36:58,653
Speaker 6: to be held up by weather?

748
00:36:58,973 --> 00:37:00,253
Speaker 2: Well, we don't know. If they're going to be smaller

749
00:37:00,293 --> 00:37:01,853
Speaker 2: than the ones we've got now. They're going to be

750
00:37:01,853 --> 00:37:04,773
Speaker 2: smaller than the mega fairies that was in their original

751
00:37:04,813 --> 00:37:08,453
Speaker 2: IRIS plan, but they're not necessarily going to be all

752
00:37:08,493 --> 00:37:09,812
Speaker 2: of them, the fairies we've got out there now.

753
00:37:11,133 --> 00:37:13,813
Speaker 6: But the weight of the fairies, will they be able

754
00:37:13,893 --> 00:37:16,493
Speaker 6: to burst a proptly and rough weather.

755
00:37:16,373 --> 00:37:16,933
Speaker 14: You know what I mean?

756
00:37:17,493 --> 00:37:18,933
Speaker 4: Well, Lola, we're going to answer that.

757
00:37:19,013 --> 00:37:21,413
Speaker 3: I mean, according to the Finance Minister, and I quote

758
00:37:21,453 --> 00:37:23,573
Speaker 3: she was asked whether these ships would be reliable and

759
00:37:23,653 --> 00:37:26,493
Speaker 3: she said, these will be reliable ships that are appropriate

760
00:37:26,533 --> 00:37:27,493
Speaker 3: to our means.

761
00:37:29,413 --> 00:37:32,933
Speaker 6: Well, I hope that is the case, because if they've

762
00:37:32,933 --> 00:37:36,973
Speaker 6: got smaller and they don't have rail on it, I mean,

763
00:37:38,093 --> 00:37:38,773
Speaker 6: well they're.

764
00:37:38,653 --> 00:37:38,893
Speaker 13: Going to have.

765
00:37:38,973 --> 00:37:40,373
Speaker 2: It's going to be the same as they have now,

766
00:37:40,373 --> 00:37:42,772
Speaker 2: where they still have They'll still have rail freight on them,

767
00:37:42,773 --> 00:37:44,973
Speaker 2: but not the mega fairies, which we're going to have

768
00:37:45,293 --> 00:37:49,613
Speaker 2: their ability to have the trains go straight on. They're

769
00:37:49,613 --> 00:37:51,853
Speaker 2: still going to have the carriages on them.

770
00:37:52,613 --> 00:37:54,813
Speaker 6: So if they have rail freight on there, how are

771
00:37:54,813 --> 00:37:56,933
Speaker 6: they going to get it onto the ship put it

772
00:37:56,973 --> 00:37:57,653
Speaker 6: in the container?

773
00:37:57,973 --> 00:37:59,613
Speaker 2: Well, this is just the same way as they're doing

774
00:37:59,653 --> 00:38:03,013
Speaker 2: it now. So we don't. We don't have we don't.

775
00:38:03,053 --> 00:38:06,413
Speaker 2: We don't have the we don't have that capability at

776
00:38:06,413 --> 00:38:08,573
Speaker 2: the moment that was going to be a new and

777
00:38:08,613 --> 00:38:10,333
Speaker 2: fancy capability that was going to be added.

778
00:38:12,773 --> 00:38:15,013
Speaker 6: Oh well, all we can do is wait and see.

779
00:38:15,053 --> 00:38:17,493
Speaker 6: But my other concern is if they are going to

780
00:38:18,453 --> 00:38:22,453
Speaker 6: have to pay the bills and then hand it over

781
00:38:22,573 --> 00:38:27,453
Speaker 6: to Bluebridge for management. I don't think that's a good

782
00:38:27,493 --> 00:38:30,813
Speaker 6: idea because where's the income coming from to pay off

783
00:38:30,813 --> 00:38:31,212
Speaker 6: the debt?

784
00:38:31,893 --> 00:38:34,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that hasn't also been they haven't. We haven't

785
00:38:34,333 --> 00:38:36,293
Speaker 2: got any announcement around that either at this point.

786
00:38:36,453 --> 00:38:38,853
Speaker 3: No, no, Lola, thank you very much. And thank you

787
00:38:38,893 --> 00:38:42,373
Speaker 3: to everybody who called and text. That is where we'll

788
00:38:42,453 --> 00:38:45,333
Speaker 3: leave it. We are hoping to catch up with Georgina Campbell,

789
00:38:45,333 --> 00:38:48,293
Speaker 3: our senior Wellington reporter. She's been across the story from

790
00:38:48,373 --> 00:38:51,013
Speaker 3: the get go. She is interviewing the Finance Minister as

791
00:38:51,053 --> 00:38:53,333
Speaker 3: we speak, So we will catch up with Georgina a

792
00:38:53,413 --> 00:38:55,212
Speaker 3: little bit later this program.

793
00:38:55,613 --> 00:38:59,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, but coming up next, are you still carrying cash around?

794
00:38:59,893 --> 00:39:02,613
Speaker 2: Is cash importing to you? The Reserve banks just in

795
00:39:02,653 --> 00:39:04,333
Speaker 2: a serve and found that people still like cash and

796
00:39:04,333 --> 00:39:07,013
Speaker 2: aren't willing to go to a full digital system. Yeah,

797
00:39:07,373 --> 00:39:09,573
Speaker 2: but how much cash you got in your pocket right now? Tyler?

798
00:39:10,013 --> 00:39:11,093
Speaker 4: Zero dollars?

799
00:39:11,293 --> 00:39:15,413
Speaker 2: I've got two thousand, five hundred dollars? Do you no?

800
00:39:15,653 --> 00:39:18,933
Speaker 3: E one hundred eighty ten eighty Is cash still important

801
00:39:18,933 --> 00:39:20,813
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four? Love to hear your thoughts on

802
00:39:20,853 --> 00:39:23,653
Speaker 3: this One nine two ninety two is the text number.

803
00:39:23,693 --> 00:39:25,733
Speaker 4: News, Sport and weather coming up very shortly.

804
00:39:25,933 --> 00:39:28,373
Speaker 3: You're listening to matt and Tyler very very good afternoon

805
00:39:28,373 --> 00:40:17,053
Speaker 3: to you.

806
00:40:01,293 --> 00:40:09,733
Speaker 1: Love your new home for insightful They're They're It's Mattie

807
00:40:10,093 --> 00:40:13,613
Speaker 1: and Tyler Adams Afternoards on news Talk zevvy.

808
00:40:14,493 --> 00:40:16,853
Speaker 3: Welcome back, into the show. Great to have your company

809
00:40:17,053 --> 00:40:19,733
Speaker 3: as always, and we want to have a chat to

810
00:40:19,813 --> 00:40:22,733
Speaker 3: you about cash. Is it still king? Most New Zealanders

811
00:40:22,733 --> 00:40:26,293
Speaker 3: apparently are still keen on using physical cash. That's according

812
00:40:26,333 --> 00:40:29,813
Speaker 3: to a Reserve Bank consultation. The recent call for feedback

813
00:40:29,853 --> 00:40:32,613
Speaker 3: on digital cash through the highest response the bank has

814
00:40:32,693 --> 00:40:35,973
Speaker 3: ever received, and the response has showed large numbers of

815
00:40:36,013 --> 00:40:40,773
Speaker 3: people remained committed to physical currency. So the feedback they

816
00:40:40,853 --> 00:40:44,533
Speaker 3: had more than eighteen thousand responses and the quote was

817
00:40:44,613 --> 00:40:47,133
Speaker 3: the Reserve Bank has committed to ensuring New Zealanders can

818
00:40:47,253 --> 00:40:50,692
Speaker 3: continue to access, use and bank cash as they need

819
00:40:50,893 --> 00:40:54,733
Speaker 3: or prefer. This consultation reinforce that cash is still critical

820
00:40:55,053 --> 00:40:56,653
Speaker 3: and crucial for New Zealanders.

821
00:40:56,893 --> 00:40:58,573
Speaker 2: Is this just this is just a legal activity, isn't it.

822
00:40:58,573 --> 00:41:02,493
Speaker 2: People just want the cash, so there's no paper truck. Yeah, cashi,

823
00:41:02,893 --> 00:41:04,213
Speaker 2: it's just a legal activity, is it?

824
00:41:04,573 --> 00:41:04,772
Speaker 4: Well?

825
00:41:04,933 --> 00:41:06,893
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that this comes on the back of this

826
00:41:07,173 --> 00:41:09,373
Speaker 3: idea of a digital current, see that the Reserve Bank

827
00:41:09,413 --> 00:41:11,293
Speaker 3: has been working on for some time. They're not the

828
00:41:11,293 --> 00:41:13,813
Speaker 3: only central bank to be looking at this digital currency.

829
00:41:14,053 --> 00:41:16,973
Speaker 3: It's something that reserve banks and central banks around the

830
00:41:16,973 --> 00:41:20,413
Speaker 3: world are wanting to implement at some stage. So this

831
00:41:20,533 --> 00:41:23,573
Speaker 3: consultation was in a bid to find out how New

832
00:41:23,653 --> 00:41:26,173
Speaker 3: Zealanders feel about it, and most keyws told them we

833
00:41:26,253 --> 00:41:27,693
Speaker 3: still love our physical cash.

834
00:41:27,693 --> 00:41:30,693
Speaker 2: I'm pretty futuristic. I pay for everything just using my watch.

835
00:41:30,773 --> 00:41:32,453
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, you do, you love that?

836
00:41:32,933 --> 00:41:34,933
Speaker 2: I just do. It's actually quite weird when I'm going

837
00:41:34,933 --> 00:41:37,253
Speaker 2: through a drive through though, to turn my arm around

838
00:41:37,853 --> 00:41:41,053
Speaker 2: to get into the right angle to swipe the machine

839
00:41:41,053 --> 00:41:43,853
Speaker 2: to pay for my burgers. Yeah, But apart from that,

840
00:41:43,933 --> 00:41:48,613
Speaker 2: it's incredibly convenient. So I don't really have much cash around.

841
00:41:49,013 --> 00:41:50,533
Speaker 2: But you know, there's people that say, you've gotta have

842
00:41:50,613 --> 00:41:52,373
Speaker 2: some cash. You've gotta have some cash in your house

843
00:41:52,453 --> 00:41:55,292
Speaker 2: just in case things go down. You've got to sort

844
00:41:55,333 --> 00:41:59,252
Speaker 2: something out that can't be sorted out digitally. And there

845
00:41:59,333 --> 00:42:01,733
Speaker 2: is definitely a need for cash if you're walking past

846
00:42:01,813 --> 00:42:05,453
Speaker 2: a busker or a someone you know, I don't mind

847
00:42:05,453 --> 00:42:09,653
Speaker 2: giving cash to someone who's in a bad position in life, yeah,

848
00:42:09,693 --> 00:42:11,973
Speaker 2: and ask me for some. But if they whipped out

849
00:42:11,973 --> 00:42:14,333
Speaker 2: a payWave, then I'm going to go, you're probably doing

850
00:42:14,333 --> 00:42:16,053
Speaker 2: better than you're saying you are.

851
00:42:16,253 --> 00:42:17,692
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean I'm the same.

852
00:42:17,773 --> 00:42:20,413
Speaker 3: I have very little cash in the house at the moment,

853
00:42:20,613 --> 00:42:22,373
Speaker 3: and It's always one of those things that when you

854
00:42:22,453 --> 00:42:24,813
Speaker 3: need cash is really annoying. And I'm with you if

855
00:42:24,853 --> 00:42:27,652
Speaker 3: I see someone who is you know they've been dealt

856
00:42:27,733 --> 00:42:30,053
Speaker 3: some bad cards in life. Or you know those guys

857
00:42:30,053 --> 00:42:32,373
Speaker 3: at the intersection who are looking to get a bit

858
00:42:32,413 --> 00:42:34,773
Speaker 3: extra cash to clean your windscreen. Sometimes I want to

859
00:42:34,773 --> 00:42:35,693
Speaker 3: give them a bit of cash.

860
00:42:35,733 --> 00:42:37,573
Speaker 2: And it's kind of huge. I'm a huge fan of busking,

861
00:42:38,053 --> 00:42:40,813
Speaker 2: and so I would hate buskers justice to beer because

862
00:42:40,813 --> 00:42:42,333
Speaker 2: they can't make any money at all from it.

863
00:42:42,453 --> 00:42:42,813
Speaker 4: Yeah.

864
00:42:42,853 --> 00:42:45,252
Speaker 2: And you know, like over a holiday period, someone doing

865
00:42:45,293 --> 00:42:49,213
Speaker 2: something stupid that gets a circle around them somewhere in

866
00:42:49,253 --> 00:42:51,293
Speaker 2: a resort town. I always love that kind of stuff.

867
00:42:51,413 --> 00:42:51,613
Speaker 4: Yeah.

868
00:42:51,653 --> 00:42:53,613
Speaker 3: And it is getting harder and harder to get cash

869
00:42:53,613 --> 00:42:57,933
Speaker 3: out right that the legitimate band ktms are reducing. And

870
00:42:58,013 --> 00:42:59,732
Speaker 3: these these private ATMs that are.

871
00:42:59,613 --> 00:43:01,853
Speaker 2: Popular, that's a whole other thing where you can pay

872
00:43:01,853 --> 00:43:04,373
Speaker 2: two dollars fifty to get your cash out, Yeah at

873
00:43:04,373 --> 00:43:06,813
Speaker 2: one of these private ones, because you know we're near

874
00:43:07,093 --> 00:43:10,973
Speaker 2: an ATM from you know, your your actual bank or

875
00:43:11,013 --> 00:43:13,293
Speaker 2: one of the one of the big banks. Then that's

876
00:43:13,373 --> 00:43:16,013
Speaker 2: that's that's bad news to two dollars fifty get twenty

877
00:43:16,053 --> 00:43:16,493
Speaker 2: bucks out.

878
00:43:16,573 --> 00:43:18,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the banks themselves they don't make

879
00:43:18,653 --> 00:43:20,253
Speaker 3: it that easy to you if you go into a

880
00:43:20,293 --> 00:43:22,133
Speaker 3: bank branch, if you if you get in there at

881
00:43:22,133 --> 00:43:23,773
Speaker 3: ten am on a week day because I close on

882
00:43:23,813 --> 00:43:26,093
Speaker 3: the weekends now, so that's hard enough to get into

883
00:43:26,093 --> 00:43:27,933
Speaker 3: a branch, and then when you get in there, they

884
00:43:28,013 --> 00:43:29,853
Speaker 3: kind of make it difficult to take out your own money.

885
00:43:29,853 --> 00:43:30,493
Speaker 4: What's that about?

886
00:43:30,693 --> 00:43:34,652
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, exactly, okay, we'll sea one hundred and eighty

887
00:43:34,813 --> 00:43:37,973
Speaker 2: ten eighty nine nine two is the text number. Do

888
00:43:38,053 --> 00:43:43,573
Speaker 2: you still need cold, hard, flipping folding cash.

889
00:43:43,453 --> 00:43:46,093
Speaker 3: Yep, give us a ring and nine two ninety two

890
00:43:46,253 --> 00:43:48,733
Speaker 3: is the text number. The phone lines have already. Let up,

891
00:43:48,813 --> 00:43:53,853
Speaker 3: let's get into it. It is ten past two.

892
00:43:52,693 --> 00:43:56,373
Speaker 1: Your new home of afternoon tour and Eton Tyler Adams

893
00:43:56,413 --> 00:43:59,533
Speaker 1: Afternoon Call. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty News

894
00:43:59,613 --> 00:44:00,413
Speaker 1: Talk said.

895
00:44:00,173 --> 00:44:04,533
Speaker 3: Be thirteen past two. Is cash still king? The Reserve

896
00:44:04,653 --> 00:44:07,093
Speaker 3: Bank has asked a whole bunch of New Zealanders how

897
00:44:07,093 --> 00:44:09,933
Speaker 3: they feel about physical cash, and the overwhelming response is

898
00:44:10,373 --> 00:44:12,053
Speaker 3: we love it. This is on the back of them

899
00:44:12,093 --> 00:44:14,973
Speaker 3: looking at a digital currency. Is that going too far?

900
00:44:15,133 --> 00:44:18,253
Speaker 2: Well, cash still is definitely not still king? But is

901
00:44:18,253 --> 00:44:20,413
Speaker 2: it still in the mix. You still need some of it.

902
00:44:21,173 --> 00:44:23,053
Speaker 3: Plenty of teachs coming through on nine two ninety two.

903
00:44:23,133 --> 00:44:25,973
Speaker 3: Thank god for cash. Feller's just got my strawberries over

904
00:44:26,013 --> 00:44:27,212
Speaker 3: by the airport. Cash only.

905
00:44:27,333 --> 00:44:31,292
Speaker 2: Oh that's a very good point, honesty. Boxes don't work

906
00:44:31,533 --> 00:44:34,333
Speaker 2: without cash. I need cash to pay for firewood. As

907
00:44:34,493 --> 00:44:37,253
Speaker 2: those guys only take cash, and did they give their

908
00:44:37,293 --> 00:44:42,652
Speaker 2: bit to the cash is anonymous? Therefore cash is king. Yeah,

909
00:44:42,893 --> 00:44:45,453
Speaker 2: have had and always have at least five thousand in

910
00:44:45,493 --> 00:44:48,453
Speaker 2: cash sitting in the freezer. Not having cash available without

911
00:44:48,533 --> 00:44:51,253
Speaker 2: going to a bank's insane, as the likes of the

912
00:44:51,333 --> 00:44:53,133
Speaker 2: Napier Weather Show. That's a good point.

913
00:44:53,133 --> 00:44:55,293
Speaker 3: Thanks for that, goose Yep, thank you very much. Keep

914
00:44:55,293 --> 00:44:58,853
Speaker 3: those teas coming through, Craig, how are you mate?

915
00:44:59,453 --> 00:45:03,373
Speaker 15: Good guys. I think most definitely think cash should be king.

916
00:45:03,693 --> 00:45:06,933
Speaker 15: I don't think it is. I've got a part time business.

917
00:45:07,213 --> 00:45:09,733
Speaker 15: My wife and I we truck and we do a

918
00:45:09,733 --> 00:45:11,333
Speaker 15: lot of events and that kind of thing. And I

919
00:45:11,333 --> 00:45:16,413
Speaker 15: would say probably twenty five is cash. Seventy five percent

920
00:45:16,533 --> 00:45:20,173
Speaker 15: is paid to other means. But everybody, I believe should

921
00:45:20,173 --> 00:45:24,933
Speaker 15: make a conscious effort to use cash. You look at

922
00:45:24,933 --> 00:45:28,253
Speaker 15: what the Bend said, what was announced this morning, how

923
00:45:28,293 --> 00:45:32,732
Speaker 15: they're going to stop loaning to gas stations and they're

924
00:45:32,733 --> 00:45:34,613
Speaker 15: going to call them the loans and that kind of thing.

925
00:45:35,453 --> 00:45:38,933
Speaker 15: If we're not careful, what will you know? These banking

926
00:45:39,013 --> 00:45:42,813
Speaker 15: institutions and that type of thing, who think they know

927
00:45:42,893 --> 00:45:45,613
Speaker 15: what's best for all of us, they're going to bloody

928
00:45:47,013 --> 00:45:50,013
Speaker 15: you know, if they see that you're spending your money

929
00:45:50,213 --> 00:45:53,413
Speaker 15: and you're spending it on too much thing that's bad

930
00:45:53,413 --> 00:45:57,413
Speaker 15: for the environment, they'll freeze your accounts.

931
00:45:56,853 --> 00:46:00,813
Speaker 2: That moralizing of the bank is does not well with me.

932
00:46:01,613 --> 00:46:05,493
Speaker 15: The bank, and the only way the reason they want

933
00:46:05,613 --> 00:46:09,213
Speaker 15: to go cast lists is for that reason. It's about control.

934
00:46:09,493 --> 00:46:12,333
Speaker 15: And if we allow that to happen, we're giving up

935
00:46:12,413 --> 00:46:13,973
Speaker 15: so much of our freedom.

936
00:46:14,213 --> 00:46:16,853
Speaker 2: Now, don't We don't know anything about your business or

937
00:46:16,853 --> 00:46:19,773
Speaker 2: where it operates, And you don't have to answer this question.

938
00:46:20,213 --> 00:46:22,693
Speaker 2: But with the twenty five percent the cash comes through,

939
00:46:22,733 --> 00:46:25,293
Speaker 2: do you deal with it in the exact same way

940
00:46:25,773 --> 00:46:29,413
Speaker 2: as you deal with the seventy five percent that's going through?

941
00:46:30,053 --> 00:46:30,212
Speaker 16: Here?

942
00:46:30,253 --> 00:46:33,533
Speaker 15: A complete one, A complete, one hundred, one hundred percent

943
00:46:33,573 --> 00:46:40,053
Speaker 15: honest answer. My main business has been struggling so much

944
00:46:40,053 --> 00:46:42,652
Speaker 15: throughout the year. We are banking every bit of money

945
00:46:42,693 --> 00:46:45,773
Speaker 15: we're getting because we have to right things if things

946
00:46:45,773 --> 00:46:48,493
Speaker 15: are running good and that kind of thing. Out of

947
00:46:48,533 --> 00:46:51,652
Speaker 15: that twenty five percent. To be honest with my wife

948
00:46:51,693 --> 00:46:53,373
Speaker 15: and I bondly treat ours olfs a bit of the

949
00:46:53,413 --> 00:46:55,893
Speaker 15: cash and use it to go for dinner and that

950
00:46:56,013 --> 00:46:56,653
Speaker 15: kind of thing.

951
00:46:57,413 --> 00:46:59,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you need to put it back in yeah

952
00:46:59,533 --> 00:47:00,333
Speaker 2: and just but it.

953
00:47:01,093 --> 00:47:05,453
Speaker 15: Does you know, come on, guys, you do. Cash eventually

954
00:47:05,613 --> 00:47:09,493
Speaker 15: does go into the system. Also, you know there was

955
00:47:09,573 --> 00:47:14,853
Speaker 15: barred a car, which is the same where people deals

956
00:47:14,853 --> 00:47:15,732
Speaker 15: are done all the time.

957
00:47:16,973 --> 00:47:19,813
Speaker 2: But what about what about what about dealing with the

958
00:47:19,853 --> 00:47:23,053
Speaker 2: float and stuff, Craig, That is that a pain and

959
00:47:23,093 --> 00:47:24,652
Speaker 2: the pain in the butt, you know, having to make

960
00:47:24,653 --> 00:47:25,692
Speaker 2: sure you've got the money down.

961
00:47:26,453 --> 00:47:28,533
Speaker 15: It is with the bango. We had an event just

962
00:47:29,453 --> 00:47:32,573
Speaker 15: last weekend. It was a big event, so we needed

963
00:47:32,613 --> 00:47:34,573
Speaker 15: about a six hundred dollar float to make sure we

964
00:47:34,613 --> 00:47:37,053
Speaker 15: had enough change for the day. So my wife has

965
00:47:37,093 --> 00:47:39,213
Speaker 15: to go into the bank ches to order the money.

966
00:47:39,373 --> 00:47:43,853
Speaker 15: She has to sow all different. You know, it's a

967
00:47:43,933 --> 00:47:45,813
Speaker 15: it's a pain in the butt to get money out

968
00:47:45,853 --> 00:47:47,853
Speaker 15: of the bank, out of the bay. But you treated

969
00:47:47,933 --> 00:47:49,333
Speaker 15: like a bloody criminal.

970
00:47:50,973 --> 00:47:51,093
Speaker 14: To me.

971
00:47:51,133 --> 00:47:53,413
Speaker 2: The other day I had to get cash out for

972
00:47:53,733 --> 00:47:55,493
Speaker 2: a thing I was doing. It was completely above board

973
00:47:55,653 --> 00:47:58,253
Speaker 2: and the rigmarole I went through. But I think you

974
00:47:58,253 --> 00:47:59,773
Speaker 2: know what I think the problem was, Craig, is that

975
00:47:59,853 --> 00:48:02,333
Speaker 2: I can't see very well, but I sometimes have prescription

976
00:48:02,413 --> 00:48:03,333
Speaker 2: sunglasses on.

977
00:48:03,733 --> 00:48:08,613
Speaker 15: And so I also think the hardest to my.

978
00:48:08,573 --> 00:48:10,333
Speaker 2: Story, Craig, I had to go onto the bank and

979
00:48:10,413 --> 00:48:12,493
Speaker 2: I had to leave my prescription sunglasses on. So I

980
00:48:12,533 --> 00:48:14,013
Speaker 2: think that's why I had so much trouble getting the

981
00:48:14,053 --> 00:48:17,773
Speaker 2: money out of the bank. Look, sorry to punish you

982
00:48:17,813 --> 00:48:19,212
Speaker 2: with my story. What were you saying, Greig?

983
00:48:19,293 --> 00:48:21,893
Speaker 15: No, No, I think also the heart of the banks

984
00:48:21,893 --> 00:48:26,252
Speaker 15: are making it to put money in and out cash.

985
00:48:26,773 --> 00:48:27,573
Speaker 17: More and more.

986
00:48:27,413 --> 00:48:30,133
Speaker 15: People that do still deal in cash are going to

987
00:48:30,893 --> 00:48:34,773
Speaker 15: refrain for wanting that hassle. So it's not going to

988
00:48:34,773 --> 00:48:37,093
Speaker 15: stop them dealing in cash or just stop them banking it.

989
00:48:37,413 --> 00:48:37,652
Speaker 4: Yeah.

990
00:48:38,053 --> 00:48:38,373
Speaker 2: Yeah.

991
00:48:38,413 --> 00:48:40,692
Speaker 3: And on the PO situation, so you mentioned twenty five

992
00:48:40,693 --> 00:48:43,652
Speaker 3: percent cash seventy five pass. Is that a bit of

993
00:48:43,653 --> 00:48:45,333
Speaker 3: a mug beer for you? Do you have to charge

994
00:48:45,373 --> 00:48:48,933
Speaker 3: your customers an increase on percentage when they use the boss?

995
00:48:49,693 --> 00:48:54,133
Speaker 15: We don't do that, No. We whether it's paywaves, credit card,

996
00:48:54,253 --> 00:48:57,693
Speaker 15: we don't change them any extra. We we carry the

997
00:48:57,773 --> 00:49:00,493
Speaker 15: can but it is a part time business for us.

998
00:49:02,133 --> 00:49:03,933
Speaker 15: But it's a it's a good you know, it's a

999
00:49:03,933 --> 00:49:08,653
Speaker 15: good income. But no, we we we previously do that.

1000
00:49:08,973 --> 00:49:10,573
Speaker 2: Now, God on, Craig, this is sort of a slightly

1001
00:49:10,613 --> 00:49:14,373
Speaker 2: different issue. But how many people are standing around and

1002
00:49:14,573 --> 00:49:16,613
Speaker 2: entering their pin in and how many people are just

1003
00:49:16,693 --> 00:49:18,253
Speaker 2: paywaving these days?

1004
00:49:19,213 --> 00:49:20,933
Speaker 15: I would say a lot of seventy five percent that

1005
00:49:21,013 --> 00:49:26,093
Speaker 15: aren't cash. I would say eighty percent of them probably payWave.

1006
00:49:26,373 --> 00:49:28,692
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny how we'll just do that instead of

1007
00:49:28,733 --> 00:49:30,653
Speaker 2: just I mean, I mean, how long does it do

1008
00:49:30,973 --> 00:49:33,253
Speaker 2: to take to put your pin in? And yet just

1009
00:49:33,253 --> 00:49:37,053
Speaker 2: for the pure convenience of getting out there and swiping it,

1010
00:49:37,093 --> 00:49:39,613
Speaker 2: we'll just swipe it. Yeah. Hey, thank you so much

1011
00:49:39,613 --> 00:49:40,533
Speaker 2: for you call Craig.

1012
00:49:40,613 --> 00:49:42,173
Speaker 4: Thanks for ch cheers mate.

1013
00:49:42,413 --> 00:49:42,533
Speaker 18: Oh.

1014
00:49:42,573 --> 00:49:44,533
Speaker 3: Eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1015
00:49:44,573 --> 00:49:46,013
Speaker 3: to cour plenty of texts coming through on this one

1016
00:49:46,053 --> 00:49:49,533
Speaker 3: as well. Nine two ninety two is the text number. Guys,

1017
00:49:49,533 --> 00:49:52,093
Speaker 3: fifty dollars cash will always be fifty dollars cash, fifty

1018
00:49:52,093 --> 00:49:55,933
Speaker 3: dollars credit via bank. Over one hundred thousand transactions will

1019
00:49:56,013 --> 00:49:59,212
Speaker 3: end up zero dollars before going to the bank via

1020
00:49:59,293 --> 00:50:03,053
Speaker 3: charges et cetera. Cash is king or pitcoin banks can

1021
00:50:03,093 --> 00:50:04,253
Speaker 3: go beep it themselves.

1022
00:50:04,373 --> 00:50:06,172
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is an interesting one as well. Hey, talking

1023
00:50:06,173 --> 00:50:08,933
Speaker 2: about cash being important. If you've got grand children, watch

1024
00:50:08,973 --> 00:50:11,693
Speaker 2: the reaction when you put cash into their beautiful we hands,

1025
00:50:12,533 --> 00:50:15,172
Speaker 2: pure and absolute joy. Cool, A hope we never lose

1026
00:50:15,213 --> 00:50:16,772
Speaker 2: the ability to be able to give it to them.

1027
00:50:16,973 --> 00:50:18,973
Speaker 2: Go well and good afternoon to you too, Thanks so

1028
00:50:19,053 --> 00:50:21,813
Speaker 2: much for your text carefy. That is an interesting thing.

1029
00:50:22,093 --> 00:50:24,733
Speaker 2: You don't necessarily and a few people are texting this

1030
00:50:24,773 --> 00:50:28,413
Speaker 2: through really understand money until you have it in your

1031
00:50:28,453 --> 00:50:31,732
Speaker 2: hands and it leaves your hand. So for my kids,

1032
00:50:31,773 --> 00:50:35,013
Speaker 2: they've never had cash. So one of them works at

1033
00:50:35,053 --> 00:50:39,813
Speaker 2: a cafe. Money comes in, money goes out, and there's

1034
00:50:39,893 --> 00:50:42,613
Speaker 2: something I think. I'm more likely just to blow money

1035
00:50:42,773 --> 00:50:45,613
Speaker 2: if I'm not having to actually hand over anything physical,

1036
00:50:46,093 --> 00:50:48,293
Speaker 2: if you're just as I said before, I pay with

1037
00:50:48,373 --> 00:50:50,813
Speaker 2: my watch. If I'm just swiping my watch, it's like

1038
00:50:50,893 --> 00:50:52,773
Speaker 2: I never saw that money. I never touched it, it

1039
00:50:52,773 --> 00:50:55,453
Speaker 2: never existed. It just flows in and out, and before

1040
00:50:55,493 --> 00:50:56,773
Speaker 2: you know it, it's all flowing out.

1041
00:50:56,893 --> 00:50:57,493
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

1042
00:50:57,533 --> 00:50:59,252
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1043
00:50:59,253 --> 00:51:01,013
Speaker 3: to call. It is twenty past two.

1044
00:51:06,053 --> 00:51:09,493
Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Taylor Adams afternoons call oh eight hundred and

1045
00:51:09,493 --> 00:51:11,373
Speaker 1: eighty ten eighty on us Talk ZV.

1046
00:51:11,653 --> 00:51:14,772
Speaker 3: It's twenty two pass to some great techs coming through

1047
00:51:14,773 --> 00:51:16,252
Speaker 3: on nine to nine two.

1048
00:51:16,773 --> 00:51:18,813
Speaker 2: This business is get rid of your watch. Too much stress,

1049
00:51:18,853 --> 00:51:20,613
Speaker 2: go old school when it comes to how I'm paying.

1050
00:51:20,613 --> 00:51:22,613
Speaker 2: I'm just pay waving, swiping my watch and I've got

1051
00:51:22,613 --> 00:51:24,933
Speaker 2: no wallet in my pocket. But yeah, I mean, it

1052
00:51:25,053 --> 00:51:27,693
Speaker 2: is kind of a stress.

1053
00:51:27,413 --> 00:51:29,292
Speaker 4: Like George Jensen, though, isn't it. You do fear.

1054
00:51:30,133 --> 00:51:31,773
Speaker 2: I've only been doing it for two weeks actually, and

1055
00:51:31,813 --> 00:51:33,933
Speaker 2: it's just because it feels futuristic. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

1056
00:51:33,933 --> 00:51:37,493
Speaker 2: but look, I was telling Tyler off here because I'm

1057
00:51:37,653 --> 00:51:40,213
Speaker 2: you know, on the I sometimes have to give two

1058
00:51:40,253 --> 00:51:43,773
Speaker 2: dollar coins to buskers and two dollar coins to people

1059
00:51:43,853 --> 00:51:46,773
Speaker 2: that I'm holding up a sign, and I feel sorry

1060
00:51:46,773 --> 00:51:49,293
Speaker 2: for them. I actually when I go through Washworld, this

1061
00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:51,133
Speaker 2: is where I get my cash. I go through Washworld

1062
00:51:51,413 --> 00:51:54,293
Speaker 2: and you have to change your cash to coins to

1063
00:51:54,573 --> 00:51:57,053
Speaker 2: pay for all the you know, all the different waxings

1064
00:51:57,093 --> 00:51:59,692
Speaker 2: and sprayings and such, and so I'll always get out,

1065
00:51:59,933 --> 00:52:03,373
Speaker 2: always run, you know, you know, ten ten two dollar

1066
00:52:03,453 --> 00:52:05,813
Speaker 2: coins in my car to hand out to people. So

1067
00:52:06,213 --> 00:52:08,613
Speaker 2: I'm not all analog. I mean, I'm not all digital. Yeah,

1068
00:52:08,613 --> 00:52:12,212
Speaker 2: I still running some coins to keep the buskers going.

1069
00:52:12,293 --> 00:52:15,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's nice this text. I get a guys, how

1070
00:52:15,293 --> 00:52:18,013
Speaker 3: can we teach children the value of money without the

1071
00:52:18,093 --> 00:52:21,893
Speaker 3: visible notes and coins? Rewarding with cash is a great incentive, eg.

1072
00:52:22,133 --> 00:52:24,373
Speaker 3: Doing jobs like mowing lawns, et cetera. From Susan.

1073
00:52:24,413 --> 00:52:27,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so true. Susan still need cash for the

1074
00:52:27,253 --> 00:52:29,773
Speaker 2: tooth fairy, cash to give to grandchildren in place of

1075
00:52:29,853 --> 00:52:33,373
Speaker 2: unwanted gifts, cash for raffle, tickets at local clubs, meet raffles,

1076
00:52:33,413 --> 00:52:36,053
Speaker 2: spin the wheel, et cetera. Cash for local markets and fares.

1077
00:52:36,573 --> 00:52:39,652
Speaker 2: I could go on. It's from Linda. Yeah, yeah, I

1078
00:52:39,693 --> 00:52:41,773
Speaker 2: mean cash works a lot better at a farmer's market,

1079
00:52:41,813 --> 00:52:42,293
Speaker 2: that's for sure.

1080
00:52:42,333 --> 00:52:46,973
Speaker 3: It certainly does. Doreen, how are you.

1081
00:52:45,693 --> 00:52:48,772
Speaker 19: Very much down? I'll go Mat and Thaylane very much

1082
00:52:48,813 --> 00:52:52,733
Speaker 19: down the lines of I put down here really fears markets,

1083
00:52:52,853 --> 00:52:54,653
Speaker 19: farmer gates. You know you want to stop off and

1084
00:52:54,693 --> 00:52:57,613
Speaker 19: get the apples at the gates for the farmers kids

1085
00:52:57,653 --> 00:53:01,692
Speaker 19: to teach them about money, saving, putting away, donating. It's

1086
00:53:01,693 --> 00:53:04,213
Speaker 19: a concept a whole in a ways, just the concept

1087
00:53:04,413 --> 00:53:07,813
Speaker 19: pleasure your watchers a concept hard cash is real and

1088
00:53:07,853 --> 00:53:12,213
Speaker 19: it's sort of features them, but then also different different

1089
00:53:12,253 --> 00:53:15,453
Speaker 19: things that banks are more entitled to charging sees if

1090
00:53:15,493 --> 00:53:18,613
Speaker 19: they give you a gimmick, so you're actually giving money

1091
00:53:18,893 --> 00:53:21,413
Speaker 19: back to the bank. And I am a George Jetson

1092
00:53:21,493 --> 00:53:24,733
Speaker 19: fan and I've got a watch, but I'm not using

1093
00:53:24,733 --> 00:53:28,613
Speaker 19: it and I'm not going to because of that thing.

1094
00:53:28,893 --> 00:53:33,813
Speaker 19: But just the freedom to want to have cash and

1095
00:53:33,853 --> 00:53:36,933
Speaker 19: as they said, birthday money and you know, Chris fifty

1096
00:53:36,933 --> 00:53:39,893
Speaker 19: dollars when you're six years old, it's amazing. You know,

1097
00:53:39,933 --> 00:53:43,333
Speaker 19: I could gravitape to see in it. But just the

1098
00:53:43,413 --> 00:53:46,813
Speaker 19: seedom and even emergencies we had that Auckland situation, was

1099
00:53:46,853 --> 00:53:50,333
Speaker 19: it last year? A lot of people's ATMs weren't working.

1100
00:53:50,333 --> 00:53:52,853
Speaker 19: There's a lot of power carts in that. You know,

1101
00:53:52,973 --> 00:53:56,013
Speaker 19: we needed cash and there's a space for it. There's

1102
00:53:56,053 --> 00:53:59,013
Speaker 19: a space for the George Jetsams as well. I mean yeah,

1103
00:53:59,253 --> 00:54:02,093
Speaker 19: but even going over seas, if you're having your watches

1104
00:54:02,133 --> 00:54:04,693
Speaker 19: and things, you're more likely to get into difficulty because

1105
00:54:04,693 --> 00:54:08,172
Speaker 19: someone's produced some technology that robs you through your phone,

1106
00:54:08,493 --> 00:54:13,013
Speaker 19: through your cell phone or watch or whatever. Yeah, So

1107
00:54:13,373 --> 00:54:17,732
Speaker 19: once you go down a single road. It's really hard

1108
00:54:17,733 --> 00:54:18,533
Speaker 19: to come back from it.

1109
00:54:19,493 --> 00:54:21,173
Speaker 2: Well, you definitely notice when you go over to the

1110
00:54:21,253 --> 00:54:24,333
Speaker 2: United States that they have so much more cash. I mean,

1111
00:54:24,373 --> 00:54:26,773
Speaker 2: you can't really operate in America with a whole lot

1112
00:54:26,773 --> 00:54:28,653
Speaker 2: of cash in you in your pocket for a start.

1113
00:54:28,693 --> 00:54:32,173
Speaker 2: You can't hand out tips is easily at your hotels

1114
00:54:32,213 --> 00:54:34,533
Speaker 2: and stuff. But we have definitely draining cash out of

1115
00:54:34,533 --> 00:54:39,253
Speaker 2: our society really really, really quickly. That's the way it's going.

1116
00:54:40,093 --> 00:54:42,253
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, if you want to keep it going,

1117
00:54:42,293 --> 00:54:45,293
Speaker 2: then people are going to have to stem the tide themselves.

1118
00:54:45,413 --> 00:54:49,813
Speaker 2: There's another interesting part of it as well. During I

1119
00:54:49,853 --> 00:54:54,253
Speaker 2: saw this thing about how not using cash actually it

1120
00:54:54,333 --> 00:54:58,493
Speaker 2: limits your ability to do math, because growing up, a

1121
00:54:58,533 --> 00:55:00,252
Speaker 2: lot of people were doing a lot of different really

1122
00:55:00,293 --> 00:55:03,333
Speaker 2: quick equations all the time around cash, especially people working

1123
00:55:03,373 --> 00:55:06,053
Speaker 2: behind counters are doing really really you know, it's everyone

1124
00:55:06,133 --> 00:55:10,533
Speaker 2: has spent some point in hospital or or working retail

1125
00:55:10,853 --> 00:55:13,853
Speaker 2: or whatever and had to do these equations. There are

1126
00:55:13,893 --> 00:55:16,373
Speaker 2: people growing up now that have never had to do

1127
00:55:17,093 --> 00:55:19,573
Speaker 2: just the simple but quite fast equations that involve with

1128
00:55:19,653 --> 00:55:21,213
Speaker 2: dealing cash and giving change.

1129
00:55:22,413 --> 00:55:25,533
Speaker 19: But it's the control mechanism put on us, and you know,

1130
00:55:25,853 --> 00:55:30,653
Speaker 19: the banks they like to control things, and you suddenly

1131
00:55:30,653 --> 00:55:34,253
Speaker 19: get this this fee or that fee, and it's just

1132
00:55:34,333 --> 00:55:37,733
Speaker 19: the limits, limits of possibilities. And I think before we

1133
00:55:37,773 --> 00:55:41,493
Speaker 19: give up another freedom, I think we better look long

1134
00:55:41,533 --> 00:55:42,893
Speaker 19: and hard at it. And it looks like a lot

1135
00:55:42,893 --> 00:55:45,893
Speaker 19: of people don't. Oh no, not ready for this now anyway.

1136
00:55:46,373 --> 00:55:50,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's yeah. I mean, that's absolutely no doubt

1137
00:55:50,373 --> 00:55:52,253
Speaker 2: that the banks would prefer it to be all digital

1138
00:55:52,653 --> 00:55:55,692
Speaker 2: and have complete control over it. Absolutely no doubt about that.

1139
00:55:55,733 --> 00:55:57,173
Speaker 4: And clip the ticket along the way.

1140
00:55:57,053 --> 00:55:58,733
Speaker 2: And that's probably a good reason to oppose it.

1141
00:55:58,973 --> 00:56:02,333
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, thank you guys, and thank you.

1142
00:56:02,573 --> 00:56:06,093
Speaker 3: Quick text to the headlines, Guys, people need to actually

1143
00:56:06,093 --> 00:56:08,652
Speaker 3: walk the talk. They may say they want care, but

1144
00:56:08,733 --> 00:56:12,252
Speaker 3: don't use it, use it or lose it. People when

1145
00:56:12,293 --> 00:56:15,453
Speaker 3: they say the Reserve Bank that says care about your privacy,

1146
00:56:15,693 --> 00:56:19,173
Speaker 3: just reverse for that statement is true. This is the

1147
00:56:19,253 --> 00:56:21,573
Speaker 3: thin edge of the wedge. We need to be worried

1148
00:56:21,613 --> 00:56:24,773
Speaker 3: about how digital currency could be used by the banks,

1149
00:56:24,773 --> 00:56:27,733
Speaker 3: including the Reserve Bank, in ten twenty thirty years time.

1150
00:56:28,013 --> 00:56:30,693
Speaker 2: Yeah well, and this Texas says tooth fairy. And strippers

1151
00:56:30,693 --> 00:56:34,413
Speaker 2: still like cash, They certainly do. But in the world

1152
00:56:34,453 --> 00:56:37,653
Speaker 2: of strippers, show girls, down a custom street and Arkland's

1153
00:56:37,653 --> 00:56:40,252
Speaker 2: on fire right now, lunchtime fire. It's closed the roads

1154
00:56:40,293 --> 00:56:43,413
Speaker 2: for a while. So yeah, the strippers there won't be

1155
00:56:43,413 --> 00:56:44,493
Speaker 2: able to take your cash for a while.

1156
00:56:44,533 --> 00:56:45,333
Speaker 4: It is a sad days.

1157
00:56:45,373 --> 00:56:48,733
Speaker 3: It is twenty eight past two.

1158
00:56:50,413 --> 00:56:53,772
Speaker 10: U Talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1159
00:56:53,813 --> 00:56:56,812
Speaker 10: no trouble with a blue bubble. The government says it'll

1160
00:56:56,813 --> 00:56:59,732
Speaker 10: set up a new company for getting two replacement cook

1161
00:56:59,773 --> 00:57:03,252
Speaker 10: straight fairies to be running by twenty twenty nine. It's

1162
00:57:03,293 --> 00:57:06,652
Speaker 10: inviting the private sector to put forward proposals, but won't

1163
00:57:06,693 --> 00:57:10,893
Speaker 10: publicly reveal the budget. It's scrap plans for rail enabled

1164
00:57:10,893 --> 00:57:13,293
Speaker 10: fairies and upgraded port infrastructure.

1165
00:57:13,533 --> 00:57:15,253
Speaker 4: About a year ago.

1166
00:57:15,533 --> 00:57:18,293
Speaker 10: Police are hunting a man accused of a fatal shooting

1167
00:57:18,293 --> 00:57:21,733
Speaker 10: in Lower Huts nine I yesterday. Is described as a

1168
00:57:21,773 --> 00:57:25,533
Speaker 10: thirty year old with a large build and full facial tattoos.

1169
00:57:26,653 --> 00:57:29,493
Speaker 10: The now twenty year old who fatally stabbed a man

1170
00:57:29,613 --> 00:57:33,253
Speaker 10: walking his dog in christ Church, Bailey Messavi has been

1171
00:57:33,293 --> 00:57:36,053
Speaker 10: sent to jail for seventeen and a half years with

1172
00:57:36,173 --> 00:57:40,613
Speaker 10: seventy years non parole period. Christ Church Emergency Services are

1173
00:57:40,613 --> 00:57:44,533
Speaker 10: battling a house fire at Hornby's Dixon Crescent firefighters were

1174
00:57:44,533 --> 00:57:47,853
Speaker 10: called to the home just before one. The long awaited

1175
00:57:47,973 --> 00:57:51,453
Speaker 10: upgrade to Gisbon Hospital's mental health unit to fari R

1176
00:57:51,533 --> 00:57:57,013
Speaker 10: Fiorda opens to patients in January. Greyhounds as pets dog

1177
00:57:57,053 --> 00:57:59,653
Speaker 10: owner on what it's like to own the breed after

1178
00:57:59,733 --> 00:58:02,653
Speaker 10: Minister announces end to racing. You can find out more

1179
00:58:02,693 --> 00:58:06,053
Speaker 10: at Ends and Herald Premium. Back to Matteath and Tyler Adams.

1180
00:58:06,373 --> 00:58:08,773
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylan, and we are talking about

1181
00:58:08,813 --> 00:58:11,933
Speaker 3: the role of cash in society today. The Reserve Bank

1182
00:58:12,013 --> 00:58:14,293
Speaker 3: has been looking at this idea of a digital currency

1183
00:58:14,333 --> 00:58:18,253
Speaker 3: for some time. They had consultation with New Zealanders about

1184
00:58:18,253 --> 00:58:21,413
Speaker 3: how they feel about physical cash, and by and large

1185
00:58:21,573 --> 00:58:24,173
Speaker 3: most said that they are still very keen on using

1186
00:58:24,213 --> 00:58:27,053
Speaker 3: physical cash. So we've asked you the question on how

1187
00:58:27,053 --> 00:58:28,373
Speaker 3: do you use cash in your life?

1188
00:58:28,413 --> 00:58:29,293
Speaker 4: Is it still important?

1189
00:58:29,973 --> 00:58:31,933
Speaker 2: Yeah, get lots of text through on nine two nine two,

1190
00:58:31,973 --> 00:58:34,373
Speaker 2: and lots of calls on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1191
00:58:34,453 --> 00:58:36,933
Speaker 2: Went to my bank and tried to take thirty k

1192
00:58:37,053 --> 00:58:39,413
Speaker 2: out and they told me they didn't have it and

1193
00:58:39,453 --> 00:58:41,693
Speaker 2: there would be a cash handling fee. I told them

1194
00:58:41,773 --> 00:58:44,933
Speaker 2: that they did indeed have to give it to me.

1195
00:58:45,213 --> 00:58:47,813
Speaker 2: They would make the list of options to a new

1196
00:58:47,893 --> 00:58:50,293
Speaker 2: build unlimited money. Blah blah blah. I should have read

1197
00:58:50,293 --> 00:58:51,853
Speaker 2: that in advance before I got stuck into it. But yeah,

1198
00:58:51,853 --> 00:58:52,653
Speaker 2: it's hard to get in there.

1199
00:58:52,773 --> 00:58:55,893
Speaker 3: But the cash handling fee, what's that about? It's your

1200
00:58:55,973 --> 00:58:57,893
Speaker 3: money in the bank and they want to clip the

1201
00:58:57,893 --> 00:59:00,493
Speaker 3: ticket again. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten eighty is

1202
00:59:00,533 --> 00:59:02,853
Speaker 3: the number to call borus?

1203
00:59:03,893 --> 00:59:04,293
Speaker 4: How are you?

1204
00:59:05,653 --> 00:59:07,973
Speaker 3: Oh, Borus? I think we've got you now.

1205
00:59:09,253 --> 00:59:13,373
Speaker 7: Yeah, you got me the entire high But one of

1206
00:59:13,413 --> 00:59:14,893
Speaker 7: the key things for me is that what we're going

1207
00:59:14,933 --> 00:59:18,333
Speaker 7: to understand is they're talking about CBDC. We've always had

1208
00:59:18,373 --> 00:59:20,813
Speaker 7: digital currencies if you think we've had credit cards and

1209
00:59:20,813 --> 00:59:24,053
Speaker 7: all of those sorts of things digitally used for decades.

1210
00:59:24,693 --> 00:59:28,053
Speaker 7: So the only difference is the word central and when

1211
00:59:28,053 --> 00:59:31,173
Speaker 7: you look at what that means is right, it literally

1212
00:59:31,213 --> 00:59:34,173
Speaker 7: means that every transaction will be captured on blockchain. But

1213
00:59:34,213 --> 00:59:37,893
Speaker 7: this is not our banks, This is thus central banks, right,

1214
00:59:37,933 --> 00:59:40,133
Speaker 7: and their claim they're under what they call a Bank

1215
00:59:40,173 --> 00:59:43,053
Speaker 7: of International Settlements. And if you ever listen, and it's

1216
00:59:43,093 --> 00:59:46,333
Speaker 7: on YouTube, so it's not heresay, it's right there. The

1217
00:59:46,373 --> 00:59:51,333
Speaker 7: head of that organization basically saying the expression of money

1218
00:59:51,613 --> 00:59:54,293
Speaker 7: means that we can't see it. Therefore we have no

1219
00:59:54,373 --> 00:59:57,653
Speaker 7: idea how it's been used. With our digital currency, we

1220
00:59:57,773 --> 01:00:00,493
Speaker 7: can see everything you do, right, And when you look

1221
01:00:00,533 --> 01:00:06,333
Speaker 7: at Britain, who's got a CBDC in happening now other countries,

1222
01:00:06,853 --> 01:00:10,093
Speaker 7: it's called programmable country currencies, and this is again this

1223
01:00:10,253 --> 01:00:12,893
Speaker 7: is this is you can go and see it yourself.

1224
01:00:12,933 --> 01:00:16,373
Speaker 7: And basically what that means is that every transaction that

1225
01:00:16,413 --> 01:00:19,493
Speaker 7: we make, instead of it being between me and Visa,

1226
01:00:19,693 --> 01:00:23,293
Speaker 7: or me and MasterCard, it's now me and our reserve bank,

1227
01:00:23,413 --> 01:00:26,693
Speaker 7: and that is there. And so by programmable, that simply

1228
01:00:26,733 --> 01:00:29,453
Speaker 7: means that they can put any rules across that money

1229
01:00:29,853 --> 01:00:35,533
Speaker 7: that they choose. That to me is unbelievably frightening. And

1230
01:00:35,693 --> 01:00:39,373
Speaker 7: we can't go backwards from there. I mean that literally,

1231
01:00:39,453 --> 01:00:41,613
Speaker 7: some people refer to that as a digital prison, and

1232
01:00:41,653 --> 01:00:45,053
Speaker 7: it's like, once we go there, we can't. If you

1233
01:00:45,213 --> 01:00:47,493
Speaker 7: give an organization like a government or whatever it is,

1234
01:00:48,493 --> 01:00:53,253
Speaker 7: this amount of play, they never give it back. It's

1235
01:00:53,333 --> 01:00:56,373
Speaker 7: never come backwards, right, So it's like once that's in place,

1236
01:00:57,133 --> 01:01:00,133
Speaker 7: that's in place. And when you look at remember when

1237
01:01:00,453 --> 01:01:03,653
Speaker 7: Canada had the issues around the truck, they basically stopped

1238
01:01:04,173 --> 01:01:07,053
Speaker 7: the payment. They stopped all of these truckers from being

1239
01:01:07,053 --> 01:01:08,893
Speaker 7: able to access their bank account. It's all of these

1240
01:01:08,893 --> 01:01:10,693
Speaker 7: sorts of things. So they've been doing it in ways

1241
01:01:10,693 --> 01:01:15,933
Speaker 7: for a little while, but it's really problematic. And and

1242
01:01:15,933 --> 01:01:18,533
Speaker 7: and the other thing just the people who are closing

1243
01:01:18,573 --> 01:01:22,493
Speaker 7: our ATMs is the banks themselves. You know, I live

1244
01:01:22,653 --> 01:01:25,133
Speaker 7: I live in Titerangi and we've got a thing where

1245
01:01:26,133 --> 01:01:29,613
Speaker 7: they've reduced out our ATMs. So they've gone out of Tinderangi.

1246
01:01:29,653 --> 01:01:31,293
Speaker 7: They've gone out of here and they've got to so

1247
01:01:31,413 --> 01:01:34,373
Speaker 7: now you're right, so accessing cash means that we actually

1248
01:01:34,413 --> 01:01:37,173
Speaker 7: have to go into that bank at New Lens. So

1249
01:01:37,173 --> 01:01:41,653
Speaker 7: they make it really difficult. And it's like I like them.

1250
01:01:41,693 --> 01:01:43,453
Speaker 7: Mean that I saw the other day and it was

1251
01:01:43,493 --> 01:01:46,973
Speaker 7: in China. It's real. They actually had a power power

1252
01:01:47,013 --> 01:01:49,453
Speaker 7: failure and there's a guy with a little table and

1253
01:01:49,973 --> 01:01:53,653
Speaker 7: like almost in the field with a generator and he

1254
01:01:53,733 --> 01:01:57,533
Speaker 7: had like about one hundred little charges on it. And

1255
01:01:57,613 --> 01:02:00,453
Speaker 7: all of these people were Cue for Africa charging their

1256
01:02:00,453 --> 01:02:04,493
Speaker 7: phones because in China, your phone is your money, right,

1257
01:02:04,493 --> 01:02:09,773
Speaker 7: it's you it's your watch, right. But it's like that's

1258
01:02:09,853 --> 01:02:13,773
Speaker 7: the reality of where we're going. And it's just I,

1259
01:02:13,853 --> 01:02:17,173
Speaker 7: for one, don't want that. I mean, I think privacy

1260
01:02:17,293 --> 01:02:21,813
Speaker 7: is important and what I do with my money shouldn't

1261
01:02:21,853 --> 01:02:24,213
Speaker 7: be dictated by someone else. So if I want to

1262
01:02:24,213 --> 01:02:26,653
Speaker 7: buy fast food, I should be able to buy fast food.

1263
01:02:27,653 --> 01:02:29,853
Speaker 7: I shouldn't be I shouldn't be told that you're eating

1264
01:02:29,893 --> 01:02:32,693
Speaker 7: too much fast food, or your carbon footprint, your personal

1265
01:02:33,133 --> 01:02:37,173
Speaker 7: carbon footprint as too much. And so therefore, outside of

1266
01:02:37,213 --> 01:02:39,653
Speaker 7: this perimeter, if you remember the fifteen minutes, he's in

1267
01:02:39,693 --> 01:02:41,253
Speaker 7: the lens of the thing around the world at the moment.

1268
01:02:42,853 --> 01:02:46,413
Speaker 7: It's just I'm just sort of saying enough's enough. And

1269
01:02:46,493 --> 01:02:48,773
Speaker 7: as someone else said, an expression of a fifty dollars

1270
01:02:48,813 --> 01:02:51,413
Speaker 7: note is fifty dollars. It doesn't matter how many times

1271
01:02:51,453 --> 01:02:56,013
Speaker 7: it's used, it's still fifty dollars. Whereas I refuse to

1272
01:02:56,093 --> 01:02:58,213
Speaker 7: use Payway just simply because I don't see why I

1273
01:02:58,253 --> 01:03:00,613
Speaker 7: should give someone two and a half per cent, because

1274
01:03:00,613 --> 01:03:04,813
Speaker 7: someone's paying for it, and that's a ridiculous amount of

1275
01:03:04,813 --> 01:03:07,493
Speaker 7: money for someone to make on a transaction that involves

1276
01:03:07,493 --> 01:03:10,173
Speaker 7: no humanity. There's no human attached to that. It's a

1277
01:03:10,293 --> 01:03:13,293
Speaker 7: completely electronic transaction. So they're taking two and a half

1278
01:03:13,293 --> 01:03:16,253
Speaker 7: percent of one hundred dollars, which is two dollars fifty

1279
01:03:16,253 --> 01:03:18,893
Speaker 7: every time you do that, So it's like it's insane.

1280
01:03:19,253 --> 01:03:22,973
Speaker 2: So it seems that this is the way we're going though,

1281
01:03:23,133 --> 01:03:26,173
Speaker 2: so not you know, not not the whole digital currency thing,

1282
01:03:26,533 --> 01:03:29,213
Speaker 2: but that that just seems like a natural progression from

1283
01:03:29,333 --> 01:03:32,613
Speaker 2: people having less actual as you say, fifty dollars is

1284
01:03:32,653 --> 01:03:35,213
Speaker 2: in the their pocket and their paywaving. So what do

1285
01:03:35,253 --> 01:03:37,253
Speaker 2: you suggest for people that don't like it? How do

1286
01:03:37,293 --> 01:03:39,413
Speaker 2: you push back and how do you stop this from happening.

1287
01:03:40,653 --> 01:03:43,693
Speaker 7: I think we stop it from happening by actually using cash, right,

1288
01:03:43,773 --> 01:03:49,173
Speaker 7: So yeah, it's like you mentioned about Americans. Americans love

1289
01:03:49,213 --> 01:03:53,173
Speaker 7: their cash and and I just think that we've got

1290
01:03:53,213 --> 01:03:55,413
Speaker 7: to maybe have a love affair with our cash again

1291
01:03:55,453 --> 01:03:57,693
Speaker 7: because I use cash all the time.

1292
01:04:00,133 --> 01:04:01,893
Speaker 2: But you go to some places now and they just

1293
01:04:01,933 --> 01:04:05,173
Speaker 2: say no cash. Yeah, this is many more places than.

1294
01:04:05,093 --> 01:04:09,253
Speaker 7: Up And I say that you're absolutely right, and I

1295
01:04:09,253 --> 01:04:10,973
Speaker 7: basically put my hand up on this sort of say one,

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01:04:11,053 --> 01:04:14,093
Speaker 7: this is legal tender, so you actually have a responsibility

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01:04:14,133 --> 01:04:16,453
Speaker 7: to be accept my legal tender. And so they said,

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Speaker 7: but if you're not prepared to meet this legal tender,

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, I can't buy from you. And so therefore,

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01:04:23,413 --> 01:04:26,373
Speaker 7: in a sense, I'm voting with my feet that will change.

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01:04:26,413 --> 01:04:30,653
Speaker 7: Just imagine this if this has happened overseas where fifty

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01:04:30,733 --> 01:04:34,293
Speaker 7: people have basically gone around with their trolleys and they've

1303
01:04:34,333 --> 01:04:36,093
Speaker 7: all got to the counter where it's sort of like

1304
01:04:37,493 --> 01:04:40,293
Speaker 7: digital only, and they've basically all stood there, and so

1305
01:04:40,373 --> 01:04:42,173
Speaker 7: they said, well, here's our cash, and they've sort of

1306
01:04:42,213 --> 01:04:44,453
Speaker 7: said we won't take it. So all fifty people just

1307
01:04:44,493 --> 01:04:48,213
Speaker 7: walk away, leaving their trolleys there. It doesn't take long

1308
01:04:48,293 --> 01:04:51,573
Speaker 7: before they'll sort of say, well we'll accept the cash. Right,

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01:04:51,693 --> 01:04:55,453
Speaker 7: So if we've got to also stop and sort of

1310
01:04:55,653 --> 01:04:57,693
Speaker 7: see the bigger picture. But if you have a look

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01:04:57,733 --> 01:05:02,173
Speaker 7: at our banks are owned by four companies largely fifty

1312
01:05:02,213 --> 01:05:04,493
Speaker 7: percent of our companies is owned by four companies. That's

1313
01:05:04,573 --> 01:05:11,213
Speaker 7: City Bank, National Nominees, Morgan, and HSBC, right they own

1314
01:05:11,653 --> 01:05:14,893
Speaker 7: fifty percent of our banks right now. And those guys

1315
01:05:14,933 --> 01:05:17,053
Speaker 7: want us to behave in a certain way because if

1316
01:05:17,093 --> 01:05:18,733
Speaker 7: you look at the ownership of them, it all comes

1317
01:05:18,733 --> 01:05:21,573
Speaker 7: back to dare I say, people like black Rock, State

1318
01:05:21,613 --> 01:05:26,053
Speaker 7: Street and a bunch of key people. And by the way,

1319
01:05:26,253 --> 01:05:28,533
Speaker 7: these are the same people who own people the FED,

1320
01:05:29,213 --> 01:05:32,333
Speaker 7: you know, organizations like the feed which is privately owned,

1321
01:05:32,333 --> 01:05:35,733
Speaker 7: not government owned. Right, so it's in their best interests

1322
01:05:35,773 --> 01:05:37,493
Speaker 7: that they do this sort of thing, right and so,

1323
01:05:38,933 --> 01:05:40,693
Speaker 7: and I don't want you to notice, but the number

1324
01:05:40,693 --> 01:05:44,253
Speaker 7: of footprints that the banking footprints coming down. So there's

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01:05:44,293 --> 01:05:48,373
Speaker 7: becoming a whole concentration of banks. And this is an

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01:05:48,413 --> 01:05:51,293
Speaker 7: interesting aspect, guys, because when you look at the successful

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01:05:51,333 --> 01:05:54,613
Speaker 7: countries in the world. I remember when Chow and Lai

1328
01:05:54,693 --> 01:05:59,333
Speaker 7: came into China and they were pretty broke. He was

1329
01:05:59,333 --> 01:06:01,733
Speaker 7: faced with either a Russian model, which is like one bank,

1330
01:06:02,133 --> 01:06:04,573
Speaker 7: and he basically said no. So he went and launched

1331
01:06:04,613 --> 01:06:07,973
Speaker 7: five thousand banks overnight. And the revolution that's happened in

1332
01:06:08,053 --> 01:06:09,973
Speaker 7: China has been amazing, right. And then you have a

1333
01:06:10,013 --> 01:06:13,333
Speaker 7: look at Germany, who's also got lots and lots of

1334
01:06:13,373 --> 01:06:17,733
Speaker 7: small county banks and lots of and they have always

1335
01:06:17,733 --> 01:06:22,173
Speaker 7: been so strong, right because of that local lending. We

1336
01:06:22,253 --> 01:06:24,853
Speaker 7: don't have local ending here in New Zealand. Every time,

1337
01:06:25,613 --> 01:06:28,013
Speaker 7: like I look after small businesses, and every time one

1338
01:06:28,013 --> 01:06:29,973
Speaker 7: of my small businesses goes to a bank, they get

1339
01:06:29,973 --> 01:06:33,293
Speaker 7: treated like retail. They basically get it's like you're buying boat,

1340
01:06:33,573 --> 01:06:36,413
Speaker 7: and it's like, no, I'm needing to buy plant and

1341
01:06:36,453 --> 01:06:39,173
Speaker 7: the banks just simply don't get it, and so we

1342
01:06:39,213 --> 01:06:42,053
Speaker 7: don't get it, and therefore no one in New Zeala's

1343
01:06:42,053 --> 01:06:44,853
Speaker 7: productivity is one of the lowest in the OECD, right

1344
01:06:44,893 --> 01:06:48,093
Speaker 7: because we don't have banks set up. I mean, this

1345
01:06:48,173 --> 01:06:50,493
Speaker 7: is what Kiwibank should be doing. To be honest, Qwish

1346
01:06:50,653 --> 01:06:53,173
Speaker 7: Bank should be the small bank for all of our

1347
01:06:54,653 --> 01:06:58,093
Speaker 7: nine percent of our businesses as sneeze, that should be

1348
01:06:58,133 --> 01:07:00,453
Speaker 7: our sneed bank. It should be our sneed bank. And

1349
01:07:00,533 --> 01:07:03,053
Speaker 7: if we did this and we started to activate funding

1350
01:07:03,093 --> 01:07:05,373
Speaker 7: of all of these sorts of things, our economy would

1351
01:07:05,373 --> 01:07:08,173
Speaker 7: just left and we would get productivity gains because all

1352
01:07:08,213 --> 01:07:10,773
Speaker 7: the some guys to be starting the automated elements of

1353
01:07:10,813 --> 01:07:12,973
Speaker 7: the business and so they pick things up, which will

1354
01:07:12,973 --> 01:07:15,853
Speaker 7: reduce the price of things, which speaks things up again

1355
01:07:15,893 --> 01:07:18,893
Speaker 7: and row. So I mean, there's so many good reasons

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01:07:18,933 --> 01:07:22,533
Speaker 7: why I think we can use our banks to our benefit.

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01:07:22,813 --> 01:07:25,053
Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for for your thoughts, Bruce.

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01:07:25,093 --> 01:07:27,733
Speaker 2: It kind of reminds me of the Old Dead Kennedy's

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01:07:27,773 --> 01:07:30,253
Speaker 2: album Give Me Convenience, Will Give Me Death. So we

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01:07:30,413 --> 01:07:33,453
Speaker 2: just take convenience, convenience, convenience because having cash is annoying

1361
01:07:33,933 --> 01:07:36,973
Speaker 2: and running afloat, and the business is annoying, and all

1362
01:07:37,013 --> 01:07:38,853
Speaker 2: of it takes time. And you've just got people like

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01:07:38,973 --> 01:07:41,533
Speaker 2: me with my watch and the convenience of paywaving it.

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01:07:41,853 --> 01:07:44,133
Speaker 2: But we're just giving away more and more control just

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01:07:44,133 --> 01:07:48,133
Speaker 2: for it's given me convenience or give me death, and

1366
01:07:48,213 --> 01:07:51,053
Speaker 2: that basically what happens is you're giving away a lot

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01:07:51,173 --> 01:07:52,373
Speaker 2: just for a little bit of convenience.

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01:07:52,533 --> 01:07:54,493
Speaker 3: Nicely said, oh, eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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01:07:54,533 --> 01:07:56,373
Speaker 3: the number to call love to hear your thoughts on

1370
01:07:56,413 --> 01:07:59,453
Speaker 3: how you use cash and is it still vitally important?

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01:07:59,693 --> 01:08:01,053
Speaker 4: It is eighteen to three.

1372
01:08:02,933 --> 01:08:06,853
Speaker 1: Have a chat with the boys on eight hundred Taylor

1373
01:08:06,933 --> 01:08:10,853
Speaker 1: Adams afternoons you for twenty twenty four news talk, say'd be.

1374
01:08:11,693 --> 01:08:14,453
Speaker 3: Sixteen to three. We're talking about how you use cash.

1375
01:08:14,453 --> 01:08:16,572
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty four, the Reserve Bank put out a

1376
01:08:16,572 --> 01:08:19,853
Speaker 3: big consultation to kiwis asking whether it's still important to them,

1377
01:08:19,853 --> 01:08:22,773
Speaker 3: and most keywis came back and said, yeah, absolutely it is.

1378
01:08:22,853 --> 01:08:24,372
Speaker 3: This is on the back of them looking at a

1379
01:08:24,412 --> 01:08:27,812
Speaker 3: digital currency. Morris, how are you Yeah?

1380
01:08:27,893 --> 01:08:29,452
Speaker 20: Okay, boys, not too bad.

1381
01:08:29,732 --> 01:08:29,932
Speaker 13: Yeah.

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01:08:30,053 --> 01:08:32,053
Speaker 20: The thing is that the banks are all key and

1383
01:08:32,053 --> 01:08:35,812
Speaker 20: no responsibility. Hence when there was a cyclone, Oh it's

1384
01:08:35,853 --> 01:08:39,053
Speaker 20: not our fault. Nothing works. We ne's responsibility. We're not

1385
01:08:39,093 --> 01:08:41,612
Speaker 20: doing anything to help out the people with no credit

1386
01:08:41,652 --> 01:08:43,892
Speaker 20: cards that can have the old zips at that's.

1387
01:08:43,692 --> 01:08:45,052
Speaker 14: The level today.

1388
01:08:45,492 --> 01:08:47,572
Speaker 20: We're not going to serve petrol stations and we're going

1389
01:08:47,652 --> 01:08:49,812
Speaker 20: to punish people and charge the more interest if you're

1390
01:08:49,812 --> 01:08:52,492
Speaker 20: not greened. According to us, they formed a cartel that

1391
01:08:52,612 --> 01:08:54,652
Speaker 20: it means dairy farmers will probably pay three or four

1392
01:08:54,652 --> 01:08:58,133
Speaker 20: percent more in interest because they're ripping this off. This

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01:08:58,293 --> 01:09:02,492
Speaker 20: is a classic example. My daughter, she's thirty three years old.

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01:09:02,532 --> 01:09:04,213
Speaker 20: She had four hundred grand and saving from when she

1395
01:09:04,293 --> 01:09:07,213
Speaker 20: left university. She went to borrow one point two million

1396
01:09:07,253 --> 01:09:11,253
Speaker 20: dollars to buy first home. Right, ye, she was well

1397
01:09:11,293 --> 01:09:14,452
Speaker 20: within the limits all of this. Some POxy little twenty

1398
01:09:14,492 --> 01:09:16,572
Speaker 20: six year old wrung her up and said, when declining

1399
01:09:16,612 --> 01:09:20,052
Speaker 20: your loan, because are responsible? You have that amount of coffee,

1400
01:09:20,093 --> 01:09:22,212
Speaker 20: you go and drink wine, and you buy designer clothes.

1401
01:09:22,732 --> 01:09:25,293
Speaker 20: Who's that tweat's on quarter of million dollars a year.

1402
01:09:25,732 --> 01:09:28,732
Speaker 20: She's living well within a Meand so what I did?

1403
01:09:28,973 --> 01:09:30,492
Speaker 20: I rung him up and said, I want to close

1404
01:09:30,572 --> 01:09:33,932
Speaker 20: all my accounts, so we're substantial, close all our oas everything,

1405
01:09:34,213 --> 01:09:37,133
Speaker 20: We're out of here, we're leaving you. Yeah, they rung there.

1406
01:09:37,173 --> 01:09:39,412
Speaker 20: It was one of the big wigs rung up the

1407
01:09:39,732 --> 01:09:42,333
Speaker 20: North Island manager for this particular about rug ups.

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01:09:42,333 --> 01:09:43,732
Speaker 15: It gets duff.

1409
01:09:44,772 --> 01:09:47,213
Speaker 20: They couldn't believe it. Within twenty five minutes would changed

1410
01:09:47,213 --> 01:09:50,132
Speaker 20: to A and Z who don't have that moral compass

1411
01:09:50,173 --> 01:09:53,372
Speaker 20: of what these morons had, and the order gone alone

1412
01:09:53,412 --> 01:09:56,052
Speaker 20: and they said, well why they They gone around and said,

1413
01:09:56,213 --> 01:09:58,213
Speaker 20: you have three cups of coffee a day, you have

1414
01:09:58,333 --> 01:10:00,173
Speaker 20: sushi three times a week, and you go and have

1415
01:10:00,253 --> 01:10:02,972
Speaker 20: glasses of wine with the girlfriends. Yeah, they were winging

1416
01:10:03,013 --> 01:10:03,412
Speaker 20: over that.

1417
01:10:03,492 --> 01:10:03,812
Speaker 17: What's that?

1418
01:10:04,572 --> 01:10:06,572
Speaker 3: You know, Well, it's stupid. It's none of their business.

1419
01:10:06,612 --> 01:10:08,852
Speaker 3: And I know that was crazy. It was even more

1420
01:10:08,893 --> 01:10:10,852
Speaker 3: crazy about a year ago when they were going through

1421
01:10:10,893 --> 01:10:12,852
Speaker 3: all the uber eats people were having before they would

1422
01:10:12,853 --> 01:10:14,572
Speaker 3: give them a personal loan. And as you say, it's

1423
01:10:14,612 --> 01:10:16,972
Speaker 3: none of their business, particularly when you're earning that sort

1424
01:10:16,973 --> 01:10:19,772
Speaker 3: of money. But part of it, Maris, is that to

1425
01:10:19,853 --> 01:10:21,932
Speaker 3: be you know, a lot of the ways to get

1426
01:10:21,973 --> 01:10:24,133
Speaker 3: ahead with the financial system. We've got us to be

1427
01:10:24,173 --> 01:10:26,612
Speaker 3: part of the banking situation. That is how you get

1428
01:10:26,692 --> 01:10:28,892
Speaker 3: leverage to get a mortgage, to get into a home.

1429
01:10:28,933 --> 01:10:30,412
Speaker 3: That is how you can buy shares.

1430
01:10:30,492 --> 01:10:30,652
Speaker 15: You know.

1431
01:10:30,812 --> 01:10:33,612
Speaker 3: Part of getting ahead in this life has been a

1432
01:10:33,612 --> 01:10:34,652
Speaker 3: part of that system, is it not.

1433
01:10:35,652 --> 01:10:37,892
Speaker 20: I don't think so. I think our biggest problem is

1434
01:10:37,973 --> 01:10:41,053
Speaker 20: we're earn and spend and then we get ourselves up

1435
01:10:41,333 --> 01:10:43,852
Speaker 20: and honestly this to my kids. Save, save, save and

1436
01:10:43,893 --> 01:10:46,253
Speaker 20: borrows and clear the debt as fast as you can.

1437
01:10:46,572 --> 01:10:49,492
Speaker 20: You know, we were in farming in the bad times

1438
01:10:49,572 --> 01:10:51,612
Speaker 20: like now when farmer was very poor. A few years

1439
01:10:51,612 --> 01:10:53,452
Speaker 20: that we've brought a whole lot more dairy farms. We

1440
01:10:53,492 --> 01:10:56,093
Speaker 20: got stuck into it, you know, and now the things

1441
01:10:56,093 --> 01:10:58,173
Speaker 20: are really good. We're paying down debt flat out so

1442
01:10:58,213 --> 01:10:59,612
Speaker 20: we can get out of it as fast as you can.

1443
01:11:00,133 --> 01:11:03,333
Speaker 20: And the biggest problem of society now were so get

1444
01:11:03,333 --> 01:11:04,253
Speaker 20: that credit.

1445
01:11:03,933 --> 01:11:05,692
Speaker 14: Card out or we can't.

1446
01:11:05,732 --> 01:11:07,132
Speaker 20: We'll just play a little bit more interest.

1447
01:11:07,532 --> 01:11:07,732
Speaker 6: You know.

1448
01:11:07,933 --> 01:11:10,333
Speaker 20: That's mentality because the banks have hopped usin and it's

1449
01:11:10,333 --> 01:11:11,973
Speaker 20: like being a drug addict. It's no different than being

1450
01:11:11,973 --> 01:11:14,532
Speaker 20: a padict. You're hopped on the use of the soft

1451
01:11:14,532 --> 01:11:16,852
Speaker 20: money that they give you, and when you really need them,

1452
01:11:16,933 --> 01:11:19,093
Speaker 20: they dump on you. They're not there for you and

1453
01:11:19,093 --> 01:11:23,053
Speaker 20: in small businesses are the most effective. But that's what

1454
01:11:23,133 --> 01:11:24,092
Speaker 20: drives our economy.

1455
01:11:25,412 --> 01:11:25,572
Speaker 3: You know.

1456
01:11:25,692 --> 01:11:26,812
Speaker 7: The banks aren't the.

1457
01:11:26,772 --> 01:11:29,732
Speaker 20: Good guys in this. In today's example was a classic

1458
01:11:29,732 --> 01:11:32,652
Speaker 20: because when I was listening to the the thing, well,

1459
01:11:32,692 --> 01:11:35,973
Speaker 20: we're not going to serve petrol stations. But then the

1460
01:11:36,053 --> 01:11:38,532
Speaker 20: buck comes and you'll listen to the but we will,

1461
01:11:39,013 --> 01:11:42,572
Speaker 20: we will find it some at higher interests because because

1462
01:11:42,933 --> 01:11:46,652
Speaker 20: we're going to punish them because they're affecting the environmental impact.

1463
01:11:46,933 --> 01:11:48,932
Speaker 20: But the banks don't care about the fact that they've

1464
01:11:48,933 --> 01:11:51,452
Speaker 20: got these massive, big databases that use a huge amount

1465
01:11:51,452 --> 01:11:53,692
Speaker 20: of coal fired power to keep them running, keep all

1466
01:11:53,692 --> 01:11:56,812
Speaker 20: their information all clean. They're one of the biggest pluters

1467
01:11:56,853 --> 01:11:59,053
Speaker 20: out you know. And then all this lithium stuff and

1468
01:11:59,093 --> 01:12:01,293
Speaker 20: then all the modern day metals that go into the

1469
01:12:01,293 --> 01:12:02,492
Speaker 20: stuff that's.

1470
01:12:02,133 --> 01:12:04,812
Speaker 2: The great as a dairy farmer, yeah, I mean, the

1471
01:12:04,893 --> 01:12:07,613
Speaker 2: banks are moralizing about how other people do their businesses.

1472
01:12:08,133 --> 01:12:11,412
Speaker 2: It's more than I think most of us can stomach.

1473
01:12:12,732 --> 01:12:14,692
Speaker 20: But if you look at it, what they're using, they're

1474
01:12:14,732 --> 01:12:18,333
Speaker 20: using environmental impact to form a cartel. Oh no, we're

1475
01:12:18,372 --> 01:12:20,892
Speaker 20: not forming a cartael to rip people off on interest.

1476
01:12:21,173 --> 01:12:23,852
Speaker 20: This is for the environment. They've just hoodwinked the system.

1477
01:12:24,173 --> 01:12:27,173
Speaker 20: And what the government said, nothing, get off the raft.

1478
01:12:27,173 --> 01:12:28,933
Speaker 20: The mists were saying, no, you can't do that, you

1479
01:12:28,933 --> 01:12:30,772
Speaker 20: can't do this. They're not going to leave the Ziela

1480
01:12:30,772 --> 01:12:32,852
Speaker 20: because they're ripping his officers. They make more money here

1481
01:12:32,853 --> 01:12:33,973
Speaker 20: than what they make in Australia.

1482
01:12:34,053 --> 01:12:35,652
Speaker 4: Yeah, fair enough to thank you so much for your call.

1483
01:12:35,732 --> 01:12:38,852
Speaker 2: Hey, fellas, I was in Cokorda when the earthquake hit

1484
01:12:38,893 --> 01:12:40,772
Speaker 2: and we had no power for a few days. I

1485
01:12:40,812 --> 01:12:42,612
Speaker 2: was lucky that I had cash in my safe so

1486
01:12:42,612 --> 01:12:44,692
Speaker 2: I could buy food as well as being able to

1487
01:12:44,692 --> 01:12:47,573
Speaker 2: help other people out. Cash is and must for those situations.

1488
01:12:47,652 --> 01:12:50,732
Speaker 2: Cheers Anthony, yep, great point. Keep those teats coming through.

1489
01:12:50,732 --> 01:12:53,093
Speaker 2: On ninety two nine two. I can run around with

1490
01:12:53,133 --> 01:12:54,973
Speaker 2: my Apple Watch all I want in the case of

1491
01:12:54,973 --> 01:12:56,492
Speaker 2: a disaster, and I'm not going to be able to

1492
01:12:56,492 --> 01:12:56,812
Speaker 2: do much.

1493
01:12:56,893 --> 01:13:00,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, good luck. It is eleven minutes to three.

1494
01:13:01,293 --> 01:13:03,732
Speaker 1: The issues that affect you and a bit of fun

1495
01:13:03,772 --> 01:13:07,213
Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons you

1496
01:13:07,333 --> 01:13:09,972
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four News TALKSB.

1497
01:13:10,173 --> 01:13:12,572
Speaker 4: News Talks the B. It is eight to three.

1498
01:13:12,973 --> 01:13:15,973
Speaker 2: We're talking about cash. Do you still use it. How

1499
01:13:16,013 --> 01:13:20,133
Speaker 2: do you feel about a cashlest society. I was at

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01:13:20,173 --> 01:13:24,892
Speaker 2: the Here we Go. Maybe someone's who hyped on coffee,

1501
01:13:24,933 --> 01:13:26,732
Speaker 2: et cetera to use the cash. Yeah, that's right, I do.

1502
01:13:27,652 --> 01:13:30,013
Speaker 2: I'm overly caffeinated on the show. Maybe that's why I

1503
01:13:30,053 --> 01:13:32,173
Speaker 2: my apple washed. I've got time. I don't have the

1504
01:13:32,173 --> 01:13:35,333
Speaker 2: attention span to stand around and have over cash. Hey, guys,

1505
01:13:35,333 --> 01:13:38,572
Speaker 2: what about the evandale markets on Sundays? It takes fifty

1506
01:13:38,652 --> 01:13:41,772
Speaker 2: K in a day. Yeah, that's that's right, the markets. Yeah,

1507
01:13:41,853 --> 01:13:43,333
Speaker 2: you know, I was at a farmer's market the other

1508
01:13:43,412 --> 01:13:45,293
Speaker 2: day and I didn't have cash, and I was having

1509
01:13:45,333 --> 01:13:48,253
Speaker 2: to stand there and get their bank account number and

1510
01:13:48,253 --> 01:13:50,532
Speaker 2: do that transfer. But yeah, you've got to take You've

1511
01:13:50,532 --> 01:13:51,772
Speaker 2: got to get cash if you're going to go to

1512
01:13:51,933 --> 01:13:54,133
Speaker 2: a farmer's market, or as someone was saying, if you

1513
01:13:54,133 --> 01:13:56,732
Speaker 2: want to buy strawberries on the side of the road

1514
01:13:56,853 --> 01:13:57,253
Speaker 2: or something.

1515
01:13:57,412 --> 01:14:00,333
Speaker 4: Yep, and this one there, get guys.

1516
01:14:00,372 --> 01:14:02,692
Speaker 3: It has been calculated that it costs a small business

1517
01:14:02,732 --> 01:14:05,852
Speaker 3: approximately four point eight percent to process cash. They have

1518
01:14:05,933 --> 01:14:08,213
Speaker 3: to count it, provide change, have a float, and finally

1519
01:14:08,933 --> 01:14:11,372
Speaker 3: where the bank changes them to count it again. My dear,

1520
01:14:11,412 --> 01:14:14,933
Speaker 3: he wanted to charge me two point five percent for

1521
01:14:14,973 --> 01:14:17,132
Speaker 3: the paywaves and now I only pay cash.

1522
01:14:17,293 --> 01:14:18,372
Speaker 4: Cash is king.

1523
01:14:19,973 --> 01:14:24,412
Speaker 2: Sam? Your thoughts on Sorry Sam, your thoughts on cash?

1524
01:14:25,732 --> 01:14:29,172
Speaker 21: Yes, today, Matt and Tyler, I'm just ringing on cash.

1525
01:14:29,293 --> 01:14:32,133
Speaker 21: I'm a treasurer of a private sports club here in

1526
01:14:32,173 --> 01:14:36,453
Speaker 21: Auckland's north shore, just a fillion. We handled all purchases

1527
01:14:36,492 --> 01:14:40,932
Speaker 21: of beer, everything cash only. There's no electronic facility. It's

1528
01:14:40,933 --> 01:14:43,053
Speaker 21: got to be cash and the boys get it from

1529
01:14:43,053 --> 01:14:47,012
Speaker 21: the local ATM now village here, and in fact I've

1530
01:14:47,013 --> 01:14:49,812
Speaker 21: got the envelope here. Now I've got a deposit money

1531
01:14:50,253 --> 01:14:52,333
Speaker 21: now that the banks have all closed in this area,

1532
01:14:53,612 --> 01:14:56,013
Speaker 21: as I've been directed to the ATM machine and we

1533
01:14:56,093 --> 01:14:59,333
Speaker 21: deposit all the money into the local ATM machine. But

1534
01:14:59,372 --> 01:15:04,173
Speaker 21: it's cash only, so nothing, no electronics, no nothing, and

1535
01:15:04,213 --> 01:15:05,012
Speaker 21: that's working well.

1536
01:15:05,213 --> 01:15:08,133
Speaker 2: And that's so you have no interest in going to

1537
01:15:08,372 --> 01:15:10,492
Speaker 2: it's just getting an E plus machine.

1538
01:15:11,333 --> 01:15:15,093
Speaker 21: It's been discussed at a GM and at the club's meetings,

1539
01:15:15,572 --> 01:15:18,652
Speaker 21: but the boys prefer to us as a boys club,

1540
01:15:18,652 --> 01:15:21,933
Speaker 21: of course sports club. They want to stick to the

1541
01:15:21,933 --> 01:15:25,372
Speaker 21: cash only. Some of them are not interested in going

1542
01:15:25,412 --> 01:15:31,692
Speaker 21: to the electronics. Probably a few mistakes, but no, I

1543
01:15:31,732 --> 01:15:34,732
Speaker 21: got down there cash up cashed up this morning. It's

1544
01:15:34,772 --> 01:15:37,772
Speaker 21: all all of our board, even it goes through the

1545
01:15:37,812 --> 01:15:40,652
Speaker 21: accountant and now it's cash.

1546
01:15:40,732 --> 01:15:42,732
Speaker 2: And do you got do you have to go to

1547
01:15:42,732 --> 01:15:44,213
Speaker 2: the bank to get your float together?

1548
01:15:45,973 --> 01:15:48,732
Speaker 21: That I had to travel. I had named the suburb

1549
01:15:48,853 --> 01:15:52,293
Speaker 21: here because the hours is closed down here, and ten

1550
01:15:52,372 --> 01:15:54,492
Speaker 21: dollar notes are the ones that we run out frequently.

1551
01:15:55,412 --> 01:15:58,452
Speaker 21: We keep a stack, a stack of five dollars, heaps

1552
01:15:58,452 --> 01:16:01,333
Speaker 21: of them. We help out some of the businesses, heaps

1553
01:16:01,333 --> 01:16:05,852
Speaker 21: of two dollar coins. In fact, I need to again

1554
01:16:05,933 --> 01:16:11,052
Speaker 21: travel to another suburb and being supply of those. Yeah,

1555
01:16:11,173 --> 01:16:13,133
Speaker 21: so it's ten dollars, but we're all right for five,

1556
01:16:13,293 --> 01:16:15,692
Speaker 21: but it's ten dollar notes we go through and to

1557
01:16:15,772 --> 01:16:19,173
Speaker 21: get the bundle leeds probe about a month ago, we're

1558
01:16:19,213 --> 01:16:22,092
Speaker 21: going to be at five hundred bucks worth the lasts,

1559
01:16:22,253 --> 01:16:25,372
Speaker 21: and I had to it was like walking across water.

1560
01:16:25,893 --> 01:16:29,572
Speaker 21: I had to show them my own personal card. I

1561
01:16:29,652 --> 01:16:34,692
Speaker 21: really got gun over scrutinized. Yeah, just to draw out

1562
01:16:34,853 --> 01:16:36,093
Speaker 21: five hundred dollars.

1563
01:16:35,853 --> 01:16:37,852
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just to set up a float so you

1564
01:16:37,893 --> 01:16:42,452
Speaker 2: can sell some Yeah. Yeah, well you keep it going

1565
01:16:42,492 --> 01:16:45,452
Speaker 2: because we need people to if we're not gonna if

1566
01:16:45,452 --> 01:16:47,812
Speaker 2: we're not going to slide down, the slippery slope towards

1567
01:16:47,812 --> 01:16:51,053
Speaker 2: a digital currency and a cash the society. Then we

1568
01:16:51,093 --> 01:16:53,692
Speaker 2: need people like you Sam, that is there's running a

1569
01:16:53,692 --> 01:16:56,732
Speaker 2: float and going through the pain of it and keeping

1570
01:16:56,772 --> 01:16:59,692
Speaker 2: cash bars and stuff such. Going so good on you.

1571
01:17:01,053 --> 01:17:04,852
Speaker 21: Yes, no thanks guys Sam, cash cash can keep it going.

1572
01:17:05,133 --> 01:17:08,013
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Right, good chat. I think that's

1573
01:17:08,053 --> 01:17:12,293
Speaker 3: where will leave it, because after three something that happened

1574
01:17:12,293 --> 01:17:15,533
Speaker 3: to you pretty recently, Matt the old shotgun etiquettes.

1575
01:17:15,973 --> 01:17:18,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And we're getting into the time of

1576
01:17:18,372 --> 01:17:20,253
Speaker 2: the year where people are going to be heading out

1577
01:17:20,253 --> 01:17:23,412
Speaker 2: in holiday and you can be do long distance driving.

1578
01:17:23,412 --> 01:17:26,892
Speaker 2: But this particular incident happened across town in Auckland, which

1579
01:17:26,933 --> 01:17:29,133
Speaker 2: can be a long time on the road even if

1580
01:17:29,173 --> 01:17:31,532
Speaker 2: it's long distance, especially if you're coming from East Auckland

1581
01:17:31,572 --> 01:17:33,572
Speaker 2: into town. So we are on the road for forty

1582
01:17:33,612 --> 01:17:36,812
Speaker 2: minutes and the person in my passenger of sleep seat

1583
01:17:37,013 --> 01:17:39,492
Speaker 2: just rolled the seat back and went to sleep and

1584
01:17:39,572 --> 01:17:42,652
Speaker 2: left me lying on driving on my own. So my

1585
01:17:42,772 --> 01:17:45,293
Speaker 2: question is what are the responsibilities of the person in

1586
01:17:45,333 --> 01:17:46,173
Speaker 2: the shotgun seat.

1587
01:17:46,253 --> 01:17:47,772
Speaker 3: This is going to be good. O. Wait, one hundred

1588
01:17:47,812 --> 01:17:50,133
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is the number to call? Nine

1589
01:17:50,173 --> 01:17:52,692
Speaker 3: two nine two is the text number Newsport and Weather

1590
01:17:52,772 --> 01:17:54,893
Speaker 3: on its way. You're listening to Matt and Tyler. I

1591
01:17:54,893 --> 01:17:56,172
Speaker 3: hope you're having a great afternoon.

1592
01:18:08,772 --> 01:18:13,652
Speaker 2: Don't reckon love me to my album.

1593
01:18:15,532 --> 01:18:22,532
Speaker 6: This time I rested you right there all alone.

1594
01:18:25,532 --> 01:18:28,692
Speaker 1: Talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and Taylor

1595
01:18:28,732 --> 01:18:32,772
Speaker 1: Adams Afternoons you for twenty twenty four News Talk said,

1596
01:18:32,853 --> 01:18:34,253
Speaker 1: be well.

1597
01:18:34,053 --> 01:18:36,452
Speaker 3: Good ay to you, welcome back into the show, seven

1598
01:18:36,692 --> 01:18:40,372
Speaker 3: past three and looking forward to the next discussion.

1599
01:18:40,812 --> 01:18:43,732
Speaker 2: My screen's fallen over Tyler disaster in this duty just

1600
01:18:43,812 --> 01:18:46,852
Speaker 2: to reinvent the wheel and put my put my screen

1601
01:18:46,853 --> 01:18:49,253
Speaker 2: together so I can see everyone's what everyone's doing out there,

1602
01:18:49,293 --> 01:18:50,932
Speaker 2: the text and stuff. Well, hey, look, here's a text

1603
01:18:50,933 --> 01:18:53,932
Speaker 2: from Mikey havevac the great New Zealander good a gentleman.

1604
01:18:53,973 --> 01:18:56,652
Speaker 2: How refreshing to hear the did Kennedy's reference on News Talks.

1605
01:18:56,692 --> 01:18:59,052
Speaker 2: He'd be ho ho ho? I was talking before about

1606
01:18:59,053 --> 01:19:03,532
Speaker 2: the Kennedy's compilation album Give Me Convenience or Give Me Death?

1607
01:19:03,732 --> 01:19:07,572
Speaker 2: I mean, whatn't what an album? It was too my boy,

1608
01:19:07,612 --> 01:19:11,452
Speaker 2: that that loobe over my childhood. And look, I know

1609
01:19:11,492 --> 01:19:14,973
Speaker 2: what you're probably thinking. You can't reference compilation albums around that,

1610
01:19:15,093 --> 01:19:18,572
Speaker 2: there's no credibility of that. But California, uberalas you've got

1611
01:19:18,572 --> 01:19:22,412
Speaker 2: holiday in Cambodia, you've got too drunk to people will

1612
01:19:22,412 --> 01:19:23,333
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about.

1613
01:19:23,372 --> 01:19:25,532
Speaker 4: There, you played some before. I like it.

1614
01:19:25,572 --> 01:19:27,892
Speaker 3: I hadn't heard much of the did Kennedy's but my

1615
01:19:28,013 --> 01:19:31,893
Speaker 3: own mind, that was good. Right onto the topic that

1616
01:19:31,933 --> 01:19:33,133
Speaker 3: we want to have to check to you over the

1617
01:19:33,133 --> 01:19:34,452
Speaker 3: next forty five minutes or so.

1618
01:19:34,933 --> 01:19:36,372
Speaker 4: Shotgun etiquette.

1619
01:19:36,532 --> 01:19:40,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, shotgun etiquette. So I had this incident, and look,

1620
01:19:40,452 --> 01:19:44,093
Speaker 2: it's going to be controversial that I that I mentioned this.

1621
01:19:44,372 --> 01:19:46,612
Speaker 2: So if you're listening, Rosie, don't tell your daughter that

1622
01:19:47,133 --> 01:19:52,412
Speaker 2: I'm talking about her again. But so we're driving back

1623
01:19:52,452 --> 01:19:54,013
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about this yesterday we ran

1624
01:19:54,053 --> 01:19:56,412
Speaker 2: out of time, but we were driving back from from

1625
01:19:56,772 --> 01:20:01,092
Speaker 2: East Auckland into town and that in the weekends in Auckland,

1626
01:20:01,173 --> 01:20:03,612
Speaker 2: that takes a very very long time. And this was

1627
01:20:03,692 --> 01:20:05,852
Speaker 2: even worse because there was an accident. So we get

1628
01:20:05,893 --> 01:20:08,892
Speaker 2: in the car. I'm driving because I I hadn't been

1629
01:20:08,893 --> 01:20:11,372
Speaker 2: having any drinks, so I was one driving and we

1630
01:20:11,452 --> 01:20:15,293
Speaker 2: get in the car and my lovely partner love it

1631
01:20:15,333 --> 01:20:18,133
Speaker 2: a bits, but she goes, I'm just going to roll

1632
01:20:18,173 --> 01:20:21,612
Speaker 2: the chairback and have a sleep, And so she sleeps

1633
01:20:21,652 --> 01:20:25,972
Speaker 2: all the way into town. And this trip absolutely blows

1634
01:20:25,973 --> 01:20:29,652
Speaker 2: out because because of the accident on the side of

1635
01:20:29,652 --> 01:20:31,333
Speaker 2: the road and the traffic. So I'm sitting there by

1636
01:20:31,372 --> 01:20:35,452
Speaker 2: myself for forty five minutes. And look, I'm a peaceful person,

1637
01:20:35,572 --> 01:20:38,452
Speaker 2: and look I'm not easily annoyed. I wrote a whole

1638
01:20:38,492 --> 01:20:42,692
Speaker 2: book about this, The Lifeless Punishing. Yeah, but I was

1639
01:20:42,732 --> 01:20:46,012
Speaker 2: sitting there thinking and contemplating in my head, putting together

1640
01:20:46,053 --> 01:20:49,932
Speaker 2: the list of shotgun responsibilities. The person in the passenger

1641
01:20:49,973 --> 01:20:53,173
Speaker 2: seat what their responsibilities are, and in her defense, I

1642
01:20:53,213 --> 01:20:56,613
Speaker 2: don't think that the same rules apply in the shotgun

1643
01:20:56,692 --> 01:21:00,492
Speaker 2: seat within a city. I think the shotgun rules are

1644
01:21:00,692 --> 01:21:05,852
Speaker 2: primarily designed for intercity travel, long distance. Long distance. Yeah,

1645
01:21:06,013 --> 01:21:08,692
Speaker 2: and look, there's a whole lot of other shotgun about

1646
01:21:08,732 --> 01:21:11,093
Speaker 2: bagging the shotgun and all that kind of stuff. I

1647
01:21:11,093 --> 01:21:13,532
Speaker 2: don't want to get into those rules. Who gets the shotgun.

1648
01:21:13,692 --> 01:21:17,172
Speaker 2: It's always the partner, the girlfriend. They get the shotgun

1649
01:21:17,652 --> 01:21:20,093
Speaker 2: the car, but or if not in that situation, who

1650
01:21:20,133 --> 01:21:23,452
Speaker 2: sees it first and makes the shotgun motion and goes shotgun?

1651
01:21:23,532 --> 01:21:27,572
Speaker 2: But anyway, that's a different thing. There's certain responsibilities and

1652
01:21:27,652 --> 01:21:31,892
Speaker 2: these you're basically the co pilot. You're a support person

1653
01:21:32,013 --> 01:21:34,133
Speaker 2: for the driver because they grow a long distance driving

1654
01:21:34,213 --> 01:21:36,732
Speaker 2: is very important and your safety is very important. So

1655
01:21:36,853 --> 01:21:38,572
Speaker 2: I put together a list in my head of the

1656
01:21:38,612 --> 01:21:43,732
Speaker 2: responsibilities of the passenger seat personnel, the co pilot, the

1657
01:21:43,812 --> 01:21:47,772
Speaker 2: shotgun and the person in the shotgun position, and I'd

1658
01:21:47,812 --> 01:21:50,133
Speaker 2: like to share them with you. And e one hundred

1659
01:21:50,133 --> 01:21:52,972
Speaker 2: and eighty ten eighty nine nine two is the text number.

1660
01:21:53,173 --> 01:21:56,333
Speaker 2: Whether I've missed any or you disagree with them, I'd

1661
01:21:56,372 --> 01:21:59,053
Speaker 2: love to hear from you. And some people believe that

1662
01:21:59,093 --> 01:22:01,333
Speaker 2: the person in the shotgun seat has no responsibilities at all,

1663
01:22:01,333 --> 01:22:02,092
Speaker 2: they're just a passenger.

1664
01:22:02,133 --> 01:22:03,732
Speaker 4: Well, those people are crazy. I'm sorry.

1665
01:22:03,973 --> 01:22:08,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, your job is almost as important as

1666
01:22:08,412 --> 01:22:11,492
Speaker 2: as the driver. Huge. It's it's like being the co

1667
01:22:11,572 --> 01:22:14,492
Speaker 2: pilot and the plane. And also just for your own safety,

1668
01:22:14,532 --> 01:22:16,652
Speaker 2: because if you go to sleep in the shotgun seat

1669
01:22:16,652 --> 01:22:19,093
Speaker 2: and then the driver goes to sleep, both pilots are

1670
01:22:19,093 --> 01:22:22,093
Speaker 2: asleep and that's an absolute disaster time. So for your

1671
01:22:22,093 --> 01:22:25,452
Speaker 2: own safety being being the support person and ready to

1672
01:22:25,492 --> 01:22:29,572
Speaker 2: take over if things go down. In my opinion, look,

1673
01:22:29,572 --> 01:22:31,173
Speaker 2: I'll go through that have we got time for the

1674
01:22:31,652 --> 01:22:33,133
Speaker 2: Have we got time for this list now? Or shall

1675
01:22:33,173 --> 01:22:33,852
Speaker 2: we come back with it?

1676
01:22:33,933 --> 01:22:34,612
Speaker 4: Let's come back to it.

1677
01:22:34,933 --> 01:22:36,333
Speaker 2: Let's be back with it and say so. We'll hear

1678
01:22:36,333 --> 01:22:39,412
Speaker 2: your point of view. One hundred and eighty ten eighty.

1679
01:22:39,492 --> 01:22:43,972
Speaker 3: It is eleven past three, it's caught a past three,

1680
01:22:44,133 --> 01:22:47,213
Speaker 3: and we're talking about shotgun etiquettes as in the front

1681
01:22:47,253 --> 01:22:48,133
Speaker 3: seat passenger.

1682
01:22:48,452 --> 01:22:50,213
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I'm just responding to a bunch of people

1683
01:22:50,213 --> 01:22:53,173
Speaker 2: texting and about the tennity, so I'll just zone back

1684
01:22:53,213 --> 01:22:56,173
Speaker 2: in to the show. Yeah, we're talking about the responsibilities

1685
01:22:56,173 --> 01:22:58,732
Speaker 2: of the person and the passenger's sheet the passenger seat

1686
01:22:58,772 --> 01:23:02,052
Speaker 2: also known as shotgun. Ye, both the safety and support

1687
01:23:02,093 --> 01:23:04,333
Speaker 2: responsibilities of that person. We'd love to hear your thoughts

1688
01:23:04,333 --> 01:23:07,492
Speaker 2: on eight hundred eighty ten eighty or Texas in nine

1689
01:23:07,572 --> 01:23:08,053
Speaker 2: to nine.

1690
01:23:08,372 --> 01:23:11,652
Speaker 3: Who you have written a list and we're going to

1691
01:23:11,732 --> 01:23:13,532
Speaker 3: get to that pretty shortly, but just a quick couple

1692
01:23:13,612 --> 01:23:16,333
Speaker 3: of texts. One here, giddy guys. I'm often the sober driver,

1693
01:23:16,612 --> 01:23:19,572
Speaker 3: which I have no problem with. However, drunk husband does

1694
01:23:19,612 --> 01:23:22,093
Speaker 3: not always make for a great traveling partner. So I

1695
01:23:22,213 --> 01:23:25,053
Speaker 3: encourage him to sleep with my love song classics that

1696
01:23:25,093 --> 01:23:26,492
Speaker 3: has him storing in no time.

1697
01:23:26,812 --> 01:23:28,293
Speaker 4: That's the way everybody's happy.

1698
01:23:28,732 --> 01:23:31,333
Speaker 2: This Texas has driven thirty eight US states, and my

1699
01:23:31,372 --> 01:23:35,772
Speaker 2: wife slept for seventy five percent of them. Yeah, I mean,

1700
01:23:35,812 --> 01:23:37,293
Speaker 2: you can't be going to sleep. You've got to be

1701
01:23:37,333 --> 01:23:39,492
Speaker 2: the support person. That's one of my rules. I don't

1702
01:23:39,492 --> 01:23:42,293
Speaker 2: want to spoil them. It's illegal. The safety bout doesn't

1703
01:23:42,293 --> 01:23:43,253
Speaker 2: work if you're lying flat.

1704
01:23:43,333 --> 01:23:43,492
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1705
01:23:43,492 --> 01:23:47,452
Speaker 2: This is on the story that someone who were named

1706
01:23:47,492 --> 01:23:50,132
Speaker 2: natalists who will remain nameless, that was in the passenger

1707
01:23:50,213 --> 01:23:52,492
Speaker 2: seat when I was driving restly reclined her seat and

1708
01:23:52,532 --> 01:23:53,333
Speaker 2: went to sleep.

1709
01:23:53,933 --> 01:23:56,333
Speaker 4: And Lance says, what is wrong with you? Guys?

1710
01:23:56,333 --> 01:23:58,492
Speaker 3: My wife and kids go to sleep the moment we

1711
01:23:58,612 --> 01:24:01,213
Speaker 3: leave town. I have control over the radio. Listen to

1712
01:24:01,253 --> 01:24:03,093
Speaker 3: what I want. Don't have to talk about stuff that

1713
01:24:03,133 --> 01:24:05,452
Speaker 3: doesn't interest me in the slightest It is heaven.

1714
01:24:05,652 --> 01:24:08,492
Speaker 2: Well, look, you may change your mind Lance when you

1715
01:24:08,532 --> 01:24:12,852
Speaker 2: hear my shotgun responsibility rules, because I believe they will

1716
01:24:12,893 --> 01:24:15,732
Speaker 2: offer you the support that you need. And there is

1717
01:24:15,853 --> 01:24:19,213
Speaker 2: you know you don't want an unconscious shotgun because because

1718
01:24:19,213 --> 01:24:20,892
Speaker 2: they can't provide you what you need.

1719
01:24:20,973 --> 01:24:23,452
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, it's a massive role. Okay, I'll wed

1720
01:24:23,452 --> 01:24:26,253
Speaker 3: one hundred eighty ten acy, what are the rules for

1721
01:24:26,372 --> 01:24:29,372
Speaker 3: the front seat passenger in Sam.

1722
01:24:29,173 --> 01:24:30,372
Speaker 2: I'm not going to read that out. I know what

1723
01:24:30,412 --> 01:24:33,692
Speaker 2: you mean by that. That's come on, that's that is

1724
01:24:33,732 --> 01:24:35,252
Speaker 2: not the responsibility of the shotgun.

1725
01:24:35,333 --> 01:24:39,572
Speaker 4: Grow up, mate, Marlin, how are you are you?

1726
01:24:39,772 --> 01:24:43,333
Speaker 18: I'm just having a flesh pack driving from Grand King

1727
01:24:43,412 --> 01:24:46,972
Speaker 18: and the Tucsons. I'm also remembering while I was vating

1728
01:24:47,492 --> 01:24:52,132
Speaker 18: and plegs, no gas station would take an American Express

1729
01:24:52,213 --> 01:24:55,492
Speaker 18: the sut which was nauseating. So you're talking about two

1730
01:24:55,492 --> 01:24:58,933
Speaker 18: hours trying to get guess and flegs. The point of

1731
01:24:58,973 --> 01:25:01,892
Speaker 18: what my daughters were doing with my permission was that

1732
01:25:01,973 --> 01:25:05,932
Speaker 18: in any random moment they were allowed to reach around

1733
01:25:05,933 --> 01:25:11,253
Speaker 18: from behind and slap me in the face. And I

1734
01:25:11,333 --> 01:25:14,733
Speaker 18: don't mention to do this, but they did at random

1735
01:25:14,772 --> 01:25:18,532
Speaker 18: sleep with random pleasure, which well, of course woke me up.

1736
01:25:18,572 --> 01:25:20,852
Speaker 13: But we stayed safe.

1737
01:25:21,452 --> 01:25:23,932
Speaker 6: That's my little So that's.

1738
01:25:23,692 --> 01:25:25,732
Speaker 2: Some that's sort of some back seat help.

1739
01:25:27,173 --> 01:25:28,932
Speaker 13: Yeah, it was a long trip.

1740
01:25:29,053 --> 01:25:37,133
Speaker 18: Yeah, we needed to stay alive, so I knew, and

1741
01:25:37,333 --> 01:25:39,452
Speaker 18: all lot, you know, starting to go to.

1742
01:25:39,372 --> 01:25:43,372
Speaker 4: Sweep and they gave it heaps.

1743
01:25:43,372 --> 01:25:43,732
Speaker 14: Marlon.

1744
01:25:44,812 --> 01:25:51,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, Merci, yeah, so much for your for your call, Malon.

1745
01:25:51,652 --> 01:25:52,572
Speaker 2: All right, Are we ready?

1746
01:25:52,732 --> 01:25:53,772
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're ready ready.

1747
01:25:54,612 --> 01:25:57,293
Speaker 2: And yeah, as I say, if I've missed any or

1748
01:25:57,293 --> 01:25:59,293
Speaker 2: you disagree with any, I'd like to hear from you,

1749
01:25:59,293 --> 01:26:01,692
Speaker 2: because I think we need to lock this and stone

1750
01:26:01,812 --> 01:26:04,532
Speaker 2: as the iron clad. Maybe the a c a A

1751
01:26:04,732 --> 01:26:07,333
Speaker 2: will back these up and maybe they'll be legislated.

1752
01:26:07,333 --> 01:26:08,333
Speaker 4: We'll get a sponsor on board.

1753
01:26:10,492 --> 01:26:13,412
Speaker 2: So yeah, one hundred and eighteen eighty nine two ninety two.

1754
01:26:13,692 --> 01:26:18,852
Speaker 2: Your thoughts on this passenger seat or shotgun responsibilities? Okay, yep.

1755
01:26:19,093 --> 01:26:22,333
Speaker 2: You have to keep the driver company, definitely, So it's

1756
01:26:22,372 --> 01:26:26,213
Speaker 2: your responsibility to stay awake and have decent chat and

1757
01:26:26,372 --> 01:26:28,972
Speaker 2: just keep them company on the drive. Right, You're the companion,

1758
01:26:29,013 --> 01:26:32,492
Speaker 2: that's your job. You're in charge of the music and entertainment.

1759
01:26:33,173 --> 01:26:36,412
Speaker 2: So you are in charge of choosing the music and

1760
01:26:37,333 --> 01:26:40,013
Speaker 2: or the podcast that you're going to listen to, or

1761
01:26:40,053 --> 01:26:43,412
Speaker 2: the audio you know, the audio book or whatever. You're

1762
01:26:43,452 --> 01:26:46,173
Speaker 2: in charge of the entertainment. Okay, that's that is one

1763
01:26:46,173 --> 01:26:48,053
Speaker 2: of the privileges you get. You know that that is

1764
01:26:48,053 --> 01:26:49,772
Speaker 2: a privilege, and that's almost your pay for being the

1765
01:26:49,812 --> 01:26:50,732
Speaker 2: shotguns situation.

1766
01:26:50,772 --> 01:26:52,692
Speaker 3: Okay, is that an agreement with the driver though, there

1767
01:26:52,692 --> 01:26:53,933
Speaker 3: has to be agreed with with the driver it.

1768
01:26:54,053 --> 01:26:58,333
Speaker 2: Nope, well you can well actually number two unless it

1769
01:26:59,053 --> 01:27:02,772
Speaker 2: contradicts rule three. Okay, breath thrill, you can't three. You

1770
01:27:02,812 --> 01:27:05,933
Speaker 2: can't be stressing the driver out with arguments and bs.

1771
01:27:06,412 --> 01:27:08,293
Speaker 2: You can't be sitting there and running an argument with

1772
01:27:08,372 --> 01:27:09,732
Speaker 2: the driver and stressing them out.

1773
01:27:10,253 --> 01:27:11,852
Speaker 4: That's a great rule. That's a great rule.

1774
01:27:12,293 --> 01:27:14,652
Speaker 2: So so you're in charge of the music and entertainment,

1775
01:27:14,652 --> 01:27:16,372
Speaker 2: but if that is causing stress of the driver, then

1776
01:27:16,372 --> 01:27:18,892
Speaker 2: you've got to shut that down. You're in charge of

1777
01:27:19,133 --> 01:27:22,412
Speaker 2: opening and handing the driver snacks and drinks is needed, yeap?

1778
01:27:22,772 --> 01:27:23,093
Speaker 1: Love that?

1779
01:27:23,293 --> 01:27:26,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, love that, because you can't have the driver fiddling

1780
01:27:26,372 --> 01:27:28,732
Speaker 2: around trying to open a packet of chips or trying

1781
01:27:28,732 --> 01:27:32,052
Speaker 2: to open their bottle. That the driver can just point

1782
01:27:32,173 --> 01:27:34,452
Speaker 2: at what they need and then you have to sort

1783
01:27:34,492 --> 01:27:34,972
Speaker 2: it out for them.

1784
01:27:35,053 --> 01:27:37,692
Speaker 3: Coke please, I'm talking about the drink, not the other stuff.

1785
01:27:37,692 --> 01:27:39,492
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, they take off the lid yet, very good.

1786
01:27:39,612 --> 01:27:43,293
Speaker 2: Yep. You're in charge of additional navigational information, such as

1787
01:27:43,293 --> 01:27:44,732
Speaker 2: looking up locations on your phone.

1788
01:27:44,853 --> 01:27:45,053
Speaker 16: Yep.

1789
01:27:45,492 --> 01:27:48,732
Speaker 2: So you basically know where you're going. But if you're

1790
01:27:48,772 --> 01:27:52,372
Speaker 2: saying you're pulling into town and go, oh, where's the Bunnings,

1791
01:27:52,412 --> 01:27:54,532
Speaker 2: we need to buy something. Yep, you know that that

1792
01:27:54,612 --> 01:27:57,732
Speaker 2: passenger the shotgun is in charge of finding that information.

1793
01:27:57,812 --> 01:27:59,053
Speaker 4: Okay, that is huge to me.

1794
01:27:59,692 --> 01:28:02,452
Speaker 3: And can I have amendment on that is that they've

1795
01:28:02,452 --> 01:28:04,532
Speaker 3: got to be fast on it. That if I've asked

1796
01:28:04,572 --> 01:28:07,173
Speaker 3: for somewhere that I want to go, that they have

1797
01:28:07,253 --> 01:28:09,293
Speaker 3: to bring up that navigation and Matt pretty fast.

1798
01:28:09,412 --> 01:28:09,572
Speaker 16: Yeah.

1799
01:28:09,612 --> 01:28:13,293
Speaker 2: And five can't contradict three. You can't be stretching the

1800
01:28:13,333 --> 01:28:18,252
Speaker 2: driver out with arguments and bs. Oh yeah, yeah, thank you, yeah, yeah, okay.

1801
01:28:18,093 --> 01:28:21,293
Speaker 2: So three is an important one that that overrides all

1802
01:28:21,333 --> 01:28:25,372
Speaker 2: the other ones. And six you are in charge of

1803
01:28:25,492 --> 01:28:28,092
Speaker 2: child discipline and backseat discipline in general.

1804
01:28:28,173 --> 01:28:29,652
Speaker 4: These are so good, These are so good.

1805
01:28:30,013 --> 01:28:32,612
Speaker 2: So those are my six rules for the for the shotgun.

1806
01:28:32,692 --> 01:28:35,412
Speaker 2: So have I missed any eight hundred eighty ten eighty

1807
01:28:35,492 --> 01:28:37,253
Speaker 2: or nine two nine two is the text number?

1808
01:28:37,293 --> 01:28:46,372
Speaker 3: It is nineteen past three.

1809
01:28:43,692 --> 01:28:47,412
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty

1810
01:28:47,452 --> 01:28:49,252
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news talk SIB.

1811
01:28:49,692 --> 01:28:51,932
Speaker 4: Twenty two pass three. This is great.

1812
01:28:52,093 --> 01:28:54,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is firing people up this one. And I've missed,

1813
01:28:54,933 --> 01:28:57,132
Speaker 2: I've missed a rule. So I gave my six rules

1814
01:28:57,133 --> 01:28:59,532
Speaker 2: of shotgun responsibilities. Is there's one clear one that I've

1815
01:28:59,532 --> 01:29:02,133
Speaker 2: missed that's coming through. Yeah, and that is I. Look,

1816
01:29:02,173 --> 01:29:03,492
Speaker 2: we'll get to that in a second, but let's go

1817
01:29:03,492 --> 01:29:04,012
Speaker 2: to the phoneses.

1818
01:29:04,013 --> 01:29:07,213
Speaker 3: Eh, Peter, what do you reckon about the rules for

1819
01:29:07,253 --> 01:29:09,293
Speaker 3: the front driver companion?

1820
01:29:10,412 --> 01:29:10,612
Speaker 20: Oh?

1821
01:29:10,732 --> 01:29:12,772
Speaker 22: Mate, I used to have got to hitching and Assie.

1822
01:29:13,053 --> 01:29:16,052
Speaker 22: I once hitched from Sydney to Darwin, which is about

1823
01:29:16,133 --> 01:29:17,812
Speaker 22: five two hundred kilometers.

1824
01:29:17,973 --> 01:29:19,133
Speaker 20: Wow, and you get picked up.

1825
01:29:19,492 --> 01:29:22,572
Speaker 22: You'll get picked up by trucking who already been awake

1826
01:29:22,692 --> 01:29:26,492
Speaker 22: for eighteen hours and they got another six hours to

1827
01:29:26,492 --> 01:29:28,612
Speaker 22: where they're going in the real Number one, did you

1828
01:29:28,812 --> 01:29:31,892
Speaker 22: argue with the guy? You start a topic and it's

1829
01:29:31,933 --> 01:29:34,772
Speaker 22: not a hard argument. You've got to keep that guy awake.

1830
01:29:35,013 --> 01:29:37,812
Speaker 22: He has picked you up for any reason but to

1831
01:29:37,933 --> 01:29:38,852
Speaker 22: keep himself de fake.

1832
01:29:39,013 --> 01:29:41,133
Speaker 2: So is that trust to have a saying something controversial

1833
01:29:41,173 --> 01:29:43,692
Speaker 2: for you kick back on with the express purpose of

1834
01:29:43,732 --> 01:29:45,812
Speaker 2: getting you in a discussion, to keep himself awake?

1835
01:29:46,772 --> 01:29:47,532
Speaker 22: Oh hell are you mate?

1836
01:29:47,612 --> 01:29:47,772
Speaker 21: Yeah?

1837
01:29:47,812 --> 01:29:51,213
Speaker 22: Yeah, yeah, you don't be hard, but you get a

1838
01:29:51,253 --> 01:29:54,293
Speaker 22: topic going. Ah. But whether it be sport NRL or

1839
01:29:54,293 --> 01:29:59,012
Speaker 22: whatever it be, you've got to keep him engaged because

1840
01:29:59,372 --> 01:30:02,812
Speaker 22: when you're in like fifty tons a truck and he's

1841
01:30:02,812 --> 01:30:05,572
Speaker 22: been away for eighteen hours and he's probably popped all

1842
01:30:05,612 --> 01:30:06,973
Speaker 22: sorts of bells before you've got in.

1843
01:30:07,293 --> 01:30:09,012
Speaker 2: He's on that dirty Aussie truck of speed.

1844
01:30:10,133 --> 01:30:14,173
Speaker 22: Yeah, and they have nothing if you ain't catting to

1845
01:30:14,253 --> 01:30:15,892
Speaker 22: them and keeping them away kick out.

1846
01:30:16,093 --> 01:30:19,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well that's you've raised an interesting thing, Peter, because

1847
01:30:19,652 --> 01:30:21,972
Speaker 2: my third one was you can't be stressing the driver

1848
01:30:22,053 --> 01:30:25,372
Speaker 2: out with arguments and bs. But what you're saying actually

1849
01:30:25,372 --> 01:30:29,372
Speaker 2: contradicts that, because in certain occasions that this is why rules.

1850
01:30:29,492 --> 01:30:30,812
Speaker 2: You know, you've got to You've got to put them

1851
01:30:30,812 --> 01:30:34,132
Speaker 2: out there for discussion because sometimes the driver might need

1852
01:30:34,293 --> 01:30:36,972
Speaker 2: the stressful argument to keep them awake.

1853
01:30:37,053 --> 01:30:40,452
Speaker 3: This is great sleep deprived truckies. You got to what

1854
01:30:40,612 --> 01:30:41,053
Speaker 3: was you go to?

1855
01:30:41,173 --> 01:30:42,892
Speaker 4: Peter? What what was you go to?

1856
01:30:43,013 --> 01:30:44,572
Speaker 3: If you jump in a truck and you say, right,

1857
01:30:44,772 --> 01:30:46,612
Speaker 3: what am I going to rack up the truck driver about?

1858
01:30:46,612 --> 01:30:47,213
Speaker 4: What was you go to?

1859
01:30:47,812 --> 01:30:50,572
Speaker 22: Oh? It was the nineteen nineties, mate, And they're pretty

1860
01:30:50,572 --> 01:30:54,973
Speaker 22: written neck and Ausie eight. If you're even hinted at

1861
01:30:55,053 --> 01:30:55,492
Speaker 22: being woke.

1862
01:30:55,612 --> 01:30:59,333
Speaker 2: They so your job was to jump in and say

1863
01:30:59,412 --> 01:31:01,933
Speaker 2: something super woke to keep them away. Hey, thank you

1864
01:31:01,933 --> 01:31:04,173
Speaker 2: so much, for you call Peter cheers.

1865
01:31:04,173 --> 01:31:04,452
Speaker 16: Mate.

1866
01:31:05,133 --> 01:31:07,412
Speaker 2: Okay, so yes, I might have to amend that rule through.

1867
01:31:07,532 --> 01:31:10,132
Speaker 2: And you can't be stressing the driver out with arguments

1868
01:31:10,213 --> 01:31:13,293
Speaker 2: and bs and this. It's an assie truck driver that's

1869
01:31:13,293 --> 01:31:14,372
Speaker 2: been up for eighteen hours.

1870
01:31:15,253 --> 01:31:17,093
Speaker 4: Kelly, how are you this afternoon?

1871
01:31:18,133 --> 01:31:18,253
Speaker 17: Ah?

1872
01:31:18,293 --> 01:31:19,492
Speaker 23: Hi, guys, No, I'm good.

1873
01:31:19,772 --> 01:31:21,492
Speaker 15: I have one rule in my car.

1874
01:31:21,572 --> 01:31:25,853
Speaker 23: When I'm driving and this driver picks some music, shotgun

1875
01:31:25,893 --> 01:31:26,932
Speaker 23: shuts his cake hole.

1876
01:31:28,213 --> 01:31:33,213
Speaker 2: Oh really all right, that seep. But see on the

1877
01:31:33,213 --> 01:31:36,772
Speaker 2: exact opposite, because I've got the rule the shotgun is

1878
01:31:36,772 --> 01:31:39,213
Speaker 2: in charge of the music and entertainment. So you say

1879
01:31:39,253 --> 01:31:43,372
Speaker 2: that that you want, you want the shotgun to be

1880
01:31:43,492 --> 01:31:45,612
Speaker 2: quiet and leave the music alone. Do they have to

1881
01:31:45,652 --> 01:31:47,732
Speaker 2: facilitate the music you want? Though? Do they have to

1882
01:31:47,772 --> 01:31:49,132
Speaker 2: operate the stereo system?

1883
01:31:50,532 --> 01:31:51,452
Speaker 24: No, they don't.

1884
01:31:51,612 --> 01:31:54,412
Speaker 23: I have it on ZIB at night when I'm bringing

1885
01:31:54,412 --> 01:31:57,652
Speaker 23: the boys home from work or taking them to work

1886
01:31:57,692 --> 01:32:00,173
Speaker 23: in the morning, and it stays on that unless I

1887
01:32:00,213 --> 01:32:03,453
Speaker 23: feel like listening to a bit of their Red Crab, which.

1888
01:32:03,213 --> 01:32:04,012
Speaker 15: Is not very often.

1889
01:32:04,412 --> 01:32:04,612
Speaker 7: Yeah.

1890
01:32:04,652 --> 01:32:07,692
Speaker 2: Well, Marcus Slash is like having a good conversation with

1891
01:32:07,772 --> 01:32:08,692
Speaker 2: you in the car anyway.

1892
01:32:08,732 --> 01:32:11,892
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, I have a bit of an argument with them.

1893
01:32:12,173 --> 01:32:12,293
Speaker 16: Yea.

1894
01:32:12,812 --> 01:32:15,012
Speaker 3: And what about the other rules that Matt listed, Kelly,

1895
01:32:15,053 --> 01:32:16,612
Speaker 3: I mean, do you get the boys to hand here

1896
01:32:16,692 --> 01:32:18,412
Speaker 3: the pie or open up the can of coke if

1897
01:32:18,412 --> 01:32:19,012
Speaker 3: you need.

1898
01:32:21,053 --> 01:32:23,452
Speaker 23: I will get them to hand me. I don't eat pie,

1899
01:32:23,572 --> 01:32:27,253
Speaker 23: so we're lucky with that. But you know I will

1900
01:32:27,293 --> 01:32:32,053
Speaker 23: get them to open me a drink if need be. Otherwise,

1901
01:32:32,093 --> 01:32:35,492
Speaker 23: the hand to themselves and they aren't allowed to recline,

1902
01:32:35,572 --> 01:32:36,372
Speaker 23: you see either.

1903
01:32:36,652 --> 01:32:39,732
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, well, well thank you so much, Kelly.

1904
01:32:39,732 --> 01:32:41,213
Speaker 2: You might be in breach with some of those rules,

1905
01:32:41,253 --> 01:32:44,852
Speaker 2: so we'll be reporting you to the police around that

1906
01:32:45,173 --> 01:32:48,612
Speaker 2: operating your own entertainment and music. Hey, but the one

1907
01:32:48,652 --> 01:32:51,612
Speaker 2: that's coming through here, the most air condition and heat

1908
01:32:51,692 --> 01:32:53,972
Speaker 2: ratios need to be kept an optimal level for the driver.

1909
01:32:54,093 --> 01:32:57,333
Speaker 2: That's that's what That's the one I missed. So the

1910
01:32:58,293 --> 01:33:00,732
Speaker 2: shotgun is also in charge of AC.

1911
01:33:01,213 --> 01:33:02,092
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's huge.

1912
01:33:02,492 --> 01:33:04,492
Speaker 2: You've got to be making sure it's a decent temperature

1913
01:33:04,492 --> 01:33:06,732
Speaker 2: for everyone, and you know we're not for everyone, just

1914
01:33:06,772 --> 01:33:08,253
Speaker 2: for the driver who cares about the losers and the

1915
01:33:08,412 --> 01:33:12,333
Speaker 2: vacat exactly. Yeah, they can fry, but you've got to

1916
01:33:12,333 --> 01:33:16,093
Speaker 2: make sure that you control the ear temperature perfectly for

1917
01:33:16,612 --> 01:33:18,013
Speaker 2: the driver's requirements.

1918
01:33:18,053 --> 01:33:18,652
Speaker 4: That's a great one.

1919
01:33:18,692 --> 01:33:20,612
Speaker 3: So add that as number seven oh one hundred and

1920
01:33:20,612 --> 01:33:23,652
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty is the number. Call love to hear

1921
01:33:23,652 --> 01:33:26,892
Speaker 3: your etiquette for the front seat companion when you're driving.

1922
01:33:27,452 --> 01:33:31,133
Speaker 3: It is twenty six past three. Back very shortly.

1923
01:33:33,652 --> 01:33:34,173
Speaker 16: You talk.

1924
01:33:34,253 --> 01:33:38,012
Speaker 10: Said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's no trouble

1925
01:33:38,053 --> 01:33:41,053
Speaker 10: with a blue bubble. The government's giving no clues on

1926
01:33:41,173 --> 01:33:44,452
Speaker 10: what it'll spend on replacing the aged art enter Island

1927
01:33:44,492 --> 01:33:48,532
Speaker 10: of Fairies, citing commercial sensitivities, but as an NST it

1928
01:33:48,532 --> 01:33:52,652
Speaker 10: will set up a company tasked with procuring two new vessels.

1929
01:33:52,973 --> 01:33:55,572
Speaker 10: It's almost a year since the government scrapped a contract

1930
01:33:55,652 --> 01:33:59,572
Speaker 10: for rail enabled Mega Fairies and port upgrades. It's also

1931
01:33:59,692 --> 01:34:03,812
Speaker 10: not revealing the cost of breaking that contract. One person

1932
01:34:03,853 --> 01:34:06,372
Speaker 10: has been found dead in a house that caught fire

1933
01:34:06,412 --> 01:34:11,053
Speaker 10: this afternoon in christ Church on Hornby's Dixon Crescent. The

1934
01:34:11,133 --> 01:34:15,293
Speaker 10: longer waited ten bed upgrade to Gisbon Hospital's mental health unit,

1935
01:34:15,572 --> 01:34:20,372
Speaker 10: the Fari RFI Order, opens to patients. In January. Docs

1936
01:34:20,412 --> 01:34:23,852
Speaker 10: clocked more than one point two million annual bednight bookings

1937
01:34:23,893 --> 01:34:27,093
Speaker 10: and tramping sites. Its Great Walk bookings were up ten

1938
01:34:27,133 --> 01:34:31,253
Speaker 10: percent year on year, Auckland's Go Media Stadium has been

1939
01:34:31,253 --> 01:34:34,852
Speaker 10: crown New Zealand's best and busiest big venue, selling half

1940
01:34:34,893 --> 01:34:38,372
Speaker 10: a million tickets this year. It's hosted Warriors Games and

1941
01:34:38,572 --> 01:34:44,813
Speaker 10: Foo Fighters and Pearl Jam concerts. Political desperation in his voice,

1942
01:34:45,013 --> 01:34:48,933
Speaker 10: Why Christopher Luckson's messaging isn't landing? You can read the

1943
01:34:48,933 --> 01:34:51,972
Speaker 10: full column at ends at Herald Premium. Back to Matt

1944
01:34:52,013 --> 01:34:53,172
Speaker 10: Eath and Tyler Adams.

1945
01:34:53,253 --> 01:34:54,652
Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Raylean.

1946
01:34:54,973 --> 01:34:58,572
Speaker 2: So we're talking about shotgun responsibilities if you're in the

1947
01:34:58,572 --> 01:35:01,013
Speaker 2: passenger's seat, and a lot of people like this as

1948
01:35:01,093 --> 01:35:03,372
Speaker 2: text that's come through for Mark. All my cars have

1949
01:35:03,412 --> 01:35:05,692
Speaker 2: applecar Play. Don't touch the stereo and I'll sort the

1950
01:35:05,692 --> 01:35:08,732
Speaker 2: heating out. Sit there and shut up. Mike, haven't been

1951
01:35:08,732 --> 01:35:11,812
Speaker 2: listening to what I've been saying. The shotgun responsibilities if

1952
01:35:11,853 --> 01:35:14,932
Speaker 2: required by the driver, So the driver can take over

1953
01:35:14,973 --> 01:35:18,692
Speaker 2: any of these responsibilities that they want themselves. So you

1954
01:35:18,732 --> 01:35:21,692
Speaker 2: know you're in charge absolutely. So here are the shotgun

1955
01:35:21,732 --> 01:35:24,852
Speaker 2: responsibilities if required by driver. You have to keep the

1956
01:35:24,893 --> 01:35:27,412
Speaker 2: driver company yep, So you can't go to sleep if

1957
01:35:27,452 --> 01:35:29,652
Speaker 2: the driver asks you to stay and have some good chat.

1958
01:35:30,372 --> 01:35:32,372
Speaker 2: You're in charge of music. And entertainment.

1959
01:35:32,612 --> 01:35:32,892
Speaker 4: Yep.

1960
01:35:33,812 --> 01:35:36,452
Speaker 2: You can't be stressing the driver out with arguments and bs.

1961
01:35:36,572 --> 01:35:37,372
Speaker 4: That's a big one.

1962
01:35:37,692 --> 01:35:40,572
Speaker 2: That's huge. You're in charge of opening and handing the

1963
01:35:40,652 --> 01:35:42,133
Speaker 2: driver the snacks and drinks they need.

1964
01:35:42,253 --> 01:35:42,492
Speaker 4: Yep.

1965
01:35:42,933 --> 01:35:45,612
Speaker 2: Five. In the shotgun position, you're in charge of additional

1966
01:35:45,652 --> 01:35:48,572
Speaker 2: navigational information, such as looking up locations on your phone.

1967
01:35:48,692 --> 01:35:51,972
Speaker 2: You also need to find bathrooms when needed for the driver.

1968
01:35:52,213 --> 01:35:52,732
Speaker 4: Here's good.

1969
01:35:53,253 --> 01:35:56,372
Speaker 2: Six you're in charge of child discipline and general back

1970
01:35:56,692 --> 01:35:59,173
Speaker 2: seat just discipline if there's no child in there. You're

1971
01:35:59,173 --> 01:36:03,013
Speaker 2: in the control of the ACC and eight BAC, not

1972
01:36:03,093 --> 01:36:07,372
Speaker 2: the ACC and eight gates. You're in charge of opening

1973
01:36:07,372 --> 01:36:10,812
Speaker 2: gates and putting the gas in and getting food at

1974
01:36:10,812 --> 01:36:11,412
Speaker 2: the service station.

1975
01:36:11,452 --> 01:36:13,293
Speaker 4: It's a big roles role.

1976
01:36:13,612 --> 01:36:15,732
Speaker 2: It's huge, it's absolutely huge.

1977
01:36:15,812 --> 01:36:18,412
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty. Is there anything

1978
01:36:18,452 --> 01:36:20,853
Speaker 3: that Matt has missed in his list.

1979
01:36:20,732 --> 01:36:24,452
Speaker 2: Or gotten wrong one about getting the gas? It might be,

1980
01:36:24,692 --> 01:36:27,012
Speaker 2: might be you're definitely in charge of getting the gates. Yeah,

1981
01:36:27,013 --> 01:36:30,412
Speaker 2: if you're driving through a sort of a rural situation

1982
01:36:30,492 --> 01:36:33,612
Speaker 2: and there's gates involved, but getting the gas might be

1983
01:36:33,652 --> 01:36:34,612
Speaker 2: a step too far.

1984
01:36:34,853 --> 01:36:36,812
Speaker 3: Well, you've either got to go in and pay for

1985
01:36:36,853 --> 01:36:38,532
Speaker 3: it or pumped the gas one or the other. If

1986
01:36:38,532 --> 01:36:41,053
Speaker 3: you're in the front seat, then it's up to the

1987
01:36:41,133 --> 01:36:43,532
Speaker 3: driver to determine. Hey, you pump the gas an old page.

1988
01:36:44,173 --> 01:36:45,492
Speaker 2: You can't just sit there on insta.

1989
01:36:45,732 --> 01:36:47,933
Speaker 4: No, You've got to do something.

1990
01:36:47,933 --> 01:36:49,333
Speaker 2: Got to you got to look up from your phone

1991
01:36:49,372 --> 01:36:49,692
Speaker 2: to help.

1992
01:36:50,652 --> 01:36:52,052
Speaker 4: Martin, How are you this afternoon?

1993
01:36:52,612 --> 01:36:52,812
Speaker 19: Yeah?

1994
01:36:52,853 --> 01:36:56,053
Speaker 17: Good things, jameson look, I think your shotgun number one.

1995
01:36:56,093 --> 01:36:59,133
Speaker 2: Hang on a minute, stop right there, Martin. I'm not James,

1996
01:36:59,173 --> 01:37:02,133
Speaker 2: I'm mad. Okay, it's me Matte. Yeah, that's all good.

1997
01:37:03,732 --> 01:37:06,972
Speaker 17: I think that your shotgun number one is critically important. Yeah,

1998
01:37:07,213 --> 01:37:10,612
Speaker 17: stay asleep in front eat. I mean, I've spent twenty

1999
01:37:10,692 --> 01:37:16,452
Speaker 17: years driving drive for educational campaign and I've had countless,

2000
01:37:16,492 --> 01:37:20,612
Speaker 17: countless stories where people, couples of others have actually swapped drivers.

2001
01:37:20,732 --> 01:37:23,572
Speaker 17: One of drivers felt tired, cont passions at the front seat,

2002
01:37:23,973 --> 01:37:26,133
Speaker 17: fallen asleep, and then they've driven off the road, whether

2003
01:37:26,133 --> 01:37:28,933
Speaker 17: it be the desert road, whether it be be anywhere.

2004
01:37:30,013 --> 01:37:33,932
Speaker 17: So that's really really important and the gravel. Some number

2005
01:37:33,933 --> 01:37:37,173
Speaker 17: of fatals and also serious crashes have been when the

2006
01:37:37,253 --> 01:37:40,772
Speaker 17: drivers when the driver's fallen asleep. Now I actually I

2007
01:37:40,812 --> 01:37:43,093
Speaker 17: actually go but stepped for it. Further. I think it's

2008
01:37:43,133 --> 01:37:45,372
Speaker 17: a bit of psychosomatic, the fact you're creating a bit

2009
01:37:45,372 --> 01:37:47,572
Speaker 17: of a sleep environment. When you've got to sleeper next

2010
01:37:47,572 --> 01:37:51,412
Speaker 17: to you, you've probably been in a similar location and

2011
01:37:51,492 --> 01:37:54,492
Speaker 17: probably both tied. But and also Ie even go a

2012
01:37:54,572 --> 01:37:56,973
Speaker 17: step further, they haven't got research. It's a bit to me,

2013
01:37:57,053 --> 01:38:00,692
Speaker 17: it's a bit like the contagious three of yawning, where

2014
01:38:00,732 --> 01:38:02,612
Speaker 17: you actually, you know, when you go to parties and

2015
01:38:02,652 --> 01:38:05,452
Speaker 17: you yawn and everyone else yawns. They did forty years

2016
01:38:05,452 --> 01:38:08,772
Speaker 17: study medical school that showed that there are five and

2017
01:38:08,772 --> 01:38:10,973
Speaker 17: the number one theories is communication with the big eight

2018
01:38:11,053 --> 01:38:13,732
Speaker 17: little guys go to bed, go to sleep. I actually

2019
01:38:13,772 --> 01:38:15,692
Speaker 17: think there's something in there in terms of the fact

2020
01:38:15,692 --> 01:38:19,333
Speaker 17: that you're there's a communication going on or not.

2021
01:38:19,612 --> 01:38:21,492
Speaker 2: I've got a question for you Martin though. And because

2022
01:38:21,812 --> 01:38:25,532
Speaker 2: generally speaking, you don't want the passenger per you know,

2023
01:38:25,572 --> 01:38:30,452
Speaker 2: the shotgun sleeping. But in this in this situation where

2024
01:38:30,772 --> 01:38:34,492
Speaker 2: one driver is get the driver's getting drowsy, and that

2025
01:38:34,532 --> 01:38:37,452
Speaker 2: person rightfully puts up their hand and says I need

2026
01:38:37,452 --> 01:38:40,012
Speaker 2: to pull over because I'm drowsy, and can you take over?

2027
01:38:40,452 --> 01:38:43,213
Speaker 2: And then potentially at that point then that person can

2028
01:38:43,213 --> 01:38:45,173
Speaker 2: have a bit of a sleep. What do you think

2029
01:38:45,173 --> 01:38:45,572
Speaker 2: about that?

2030
01:38:46,372 --> 01:38:49,652
Speaker 17: Well, that the case is often where they've been out,

2031
01:38:49,933 --> 01:38:52,012
Speaker 17: you know, out like both and they both seek deprived.

2032
01:38:52,893 --> 01:38:55,812
Speaker 17: Even though slapping the driver is the right message if

2033
01:38:55,853 --> 01:38:59,572
Speaker 17: the other drivers are, the preferable thing is actually you

2034
01:38:59,652 --> 01:39:03,532
Speaker 17: have a fifteen minute power nap. Time you wait ten minutes,

2035
01:39:03,532 --> 01:39:05,612
Speaker 17: you're fully awaiting your about two hours worth. And that's

2036
01:39:05,652 --> 01:39:08,892
Speaker 17: international message. Fifteen minute Pound, becauld save your life. Because

2037
01:39:09,013 --> 01:39:11,013
Speaker 17: there's the point you make is very valid. That the

2038
01:39:11,093 --> 01:39:15,972
Speaker 17: driver is actually drowsy. Is likely the pass is probably

2039
01:39:16,093 --> 01:39:17,813
Speaker 17: going to be drowsy also because.

2040
01:39:17,532 --> 01:39:17,973
Speaker 22: I've been this.

2041
01:39:20,412 --> 01:39:23,572
Speaker 17: Sleep price. So the other one is what they some

2042
01:39:23,612 --> 01:39:26,012
Speaker 17: people do is they don't put them in the front seat.

2043
01:39:26,053 --> 01:39:27,852
Speaker 17: They might put them in the back seat, but still

2044
01:39:28,253 --> 01:39:30,532
Speaker 17: you're better off having someone that they can have your

2045
01:39:30,532 --> 01:39:34,013
Speaker 17: eyes open and in awake, you know, if you're in

2046
01:39:34,013 --> 01:39:39,052
Speaker 17: that sort of state. Yeah, Pound, app big Rigs.

2047
01:39:39,093 --> 01:39:40,692
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you so much for your call, Martin really

2048
01:39:40,692 --> 01:39:43,972
Speaker 2: appreciate it. I mean this, this sort of this backs

2049
01:39:44,013 --> 01:39:45,372
Speaker 2: it up to second. I'm just going to have to

2050
01:39:46,333 --> 01:39:48,452
Speaker 2: just been scrolled away from me. This text I was

2051
01:39:48,572 --> 01:39:52,412
Speaker 2: just read it my partner. No, it's gone and disappeared

2052
01:39:52,412 --> 01:39:55,692
Speaker 2: on me what a disaster right at the bottom left,

2053
01:39:55,812 --> 01:39:59,053
Speaker 2: very early one morning for Queenstown holiday, kids and I

2054
01:39:59,093 --> 01:40:02,212
Speaker 2: fell asleep while husband drove to Wnica. When he fell asleep,

2055
01:40:02,452 --> 01:40:04,532
Speaker 2: we all woke up when the car went off the road.

2056
01:40:04,772 --> 01:40:07,333
Speaker 2: Shotgun always has to stay awake from now on, So

2057
01:40:07,412 --> 01:40:09,652
Speaker 2: you know that that's sort of backing out what Martin's

2058
01:40:09,652 --> 01:40:10,133
Speaker 2: saying there.

2059
01:40:10,253 --> 01:40:14,293
Speaker 3: Incredibly important. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number

2060
01:40:14,293 --> 01:40:14,652
Speaker 3: to call.

2061
01:40:15,612 --> 01:40:18,452
Speaker 2: Peter says, absolutely no feet on the dashboard. I think

2062
01:40:18,452 --> 01:40:20,812
Speaker 2: that that's that's an absolutely given. And this person says,

2063
01:40:20,812 --> 01:40:22,972
Speaker 2: don't forget, you've got to shoot bandits out the window. Yeah,

2064
01:40:22,973 --> 01:40:24,932
Speaker 2: that's one hundred per cent true. That's where the shotgun

2065
01:40:24,973 --> 01:40:25,772
Speaker 2: gets its name from.

2066
01:40:25,933 --> 01:40:28,452
Speaker 3: Keep them coming through On nine two nine two, it

2067
01:40:28,532 --> 01:40:29,892
Speaker 3: is twenty four to four.

2068
01:40:31,572 --> 01:40:35,853
Speaker 1: Ethn you take on talk bag matt Ethan Tayler Adams afternoons,

2069
01:40:36,013 --> 01:40:39,333
Speaker 1: have your say on eight hundred eighty ten eighty news Talks.

2070
01:40:39,372 --> 01:40:42,813
Speaker 3: That'd be twenty two to four. We're talking about shotgun etiquettes.

2071
01:40:42,853 --> 01:40:46,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're putting together the complete and official list of

2072
01:40:46,853 --> 01:40:51,412
Speaker 2: the responsibilities of the person in the shotgun position. So

2073
01:40:51,492 --> 01:40:53,412
Speaker 2: many texts coming through on nine two nine two guys,

2074
01:40:53,492 --> 01:40:56,492
Speaker 2: I think Shotgun should also look for signs the driver

2075
01:40:56,652 --> 01:40:59,253
Speaker 2: is getting tired and take over. That's from Marianne's that's

2076
01:40:59,253 --> 01:41:01,253
Speaker 2: a good point. So you're generally in charge of the

2077
01:41:01,372 --> 01:41:05,892
Speaker 2: health of the person that's driving. Yeah, so that's true.

2078
01:41:05,973 --> 01:41:08,213
Speaker 2: I mean you can't be stressing the driver out with

2079
01:41:08,372 --> 01:41:11,133
Speaker 2: arguments and bs, so you can't be completely haranguing them

2080
01:41:11,133 --> 01:41:13,293
Speaker 2: all the time. But if they're getting tired, I think

2081
01:41:13,652 --> 01:41:17,053
Speaker 2: just for your own safety and their safety, you need

2082
01:41:17,133 --> 01:41:19,052
Speaker 2: to go, hey, I think you're getting a bit tired.

2083
01:41:19,093 --> 01:41:22,092
Speaker 2: Maybe we should take a fifteen minute power app Absolutely, Marianne,

2084
01:41:22,093 --> 01:41:25,973
Speaker 2: that's good point. Shotgun always calls clear left at intersections

2085
01:41:26,133 --> 01:41:29,293
Speaker 2: when clear driving us like top Gun guys, the navigator,

2086
01:41:29,452 --> 01:41:31,372
Speaker 2: Shotgun is always checking for bogies.

2087
01:41:32,412 --> 01:41:33,972
Speaker 4: Yeah, great, takes that one.

2088
01:41:34,013 --> 01:41:37,133
Speaker 2: That's good. Don't be a high toilet user. My front

2089
01:41:37,173 --> 01:41:42,572
Speaker 2: seat passenger loves a public toilet. So your job in

2090
01:41:42,612 --> 01:41:44,293
Speaker 2: preparation of a long chirp if you're going to be

2091
01:41:44,293 --> 01:41:48,212
Speaker 2: in Shotgun as doing pelvic floor exercises, so your bladder

2092
01:41:48,253 --> 01:41:50,772
Speaker 2: is in good good condition to go decent amounts of

2093
01:41:50,812 --> 01:41:51,772
Speaker 2: time without having to stop.

2094
01:41:51,853 --> 01:41:54,612
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's great, Jonathan. You've got another rule.

2095
01:41:55,933 --> 01:41:59,173
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's to be secretary. So one of the key

2096
01:41:59,213 --> 01:42:02,572
Speaker 14: distractors on people on the roads is text message comes

2097
01:42:02,572 --> 01:42:05,732
Speaker 14: in and yeah, very hard to resist those text messages.

2098
01:42:06,013 --> 01:42:09,612
Speaker 14: But your shotgun person is your secretary. Now, I'm a

2099
01:42:09,732 --> 01:42:14,053
Speaker 14: busy property manager. I'm always available to my tenants and landlords,

2100
01:42:14,093 --> 01:42:17,732
Speaker 14: and text messages coming in, my shotgun responds to those

2101
01:42:17,772 --> 01:42:19,372
Speaker 14: for me. They read them out, I tell them what

2102
01:42:19,452 --> 01:42:22,333
Speaker 14: to tighten back to them, and my text messages get

2103
01:42:22,333 --> 01:42:25,093
Speaker 14: looked after. And they can also filled my course for

2104
01:42:25,213 --> 01:42:27,412
Speaker 14: me as well, even though I've got hands free. Yeah,

2105
01:42:27,492 --> 01:42:30,013
Speaker 14: I have that happening in the car while I'm in it.

2106
01:42:30,612 --> 01:42:35,532
Speaker 14: So yeah, that's because as a as a top one.

2107
01:42:35,133 --> 01:42:38,532
Speaker 2: Being a secretary is a good one. And I don't

2108
01:42:38,532 --> 01:42:43,133
Speaker 2: know what your marital or relationship situation is, but if

2109
01:42:43,133 --> 01:42:46,532
Speaker 2: you're on a trip with your partner, and in my

2110
01:42:46,612 --> 01:42:50,852
Speaker 2: case of it's a partner, if she's sitting there, if

2111
01:42:50,853 --> 01:42:55,053
Speaker 2: you handle your phone and she's looking through it, and

2112
01:42:55,213 --> 01:42:57,333
Speaker 2: she's she's going to take the responsibility to not look

2113
01:42:57,333 --> 01:42:59,492
Speaker 2: through your disgusting threads that you have with your mates.

2114
01:42:59,853 --> 01:43:06,972
Speaker 2: Terrible anyway, just the business at hand.

2115
01:43:08,013 --> 01:43:10,533
Speaker 14: And as sing enough, being in a late model European

2116
01:43:10,612 --> 01:43:13,133
Speaker 14: car if you pretend to go to sleep. It's got

2117
01:43:13,173 --> 01:43:16,333
Speaker 14: little senses watching the driver. What it does is it

2118
01:43:16,412 --> 01:43:19,612
Speaker 14: shapes the steering wheel. It puts the air conditioning onto

2119
01:43:19,652 --> 01:43:22,853
Speaker 14: cold and puts it on full board, and it pulsates

2120
01:43:22,893 --> 01:43:26,412
Speaker 14: the air in your face. Plus it turns the radio

2121
01:43:26,492 --> 01:43:28,732
Speaker 14: up onto full volume. So that are some of the

2122
01:43:28,732 --> 01:43:32,852
Speaker 14: things that are available in the late model cars, which

2123
01:43:32,853 --> 01:43:35,293
Speaker 14: are just the same things you've been talking about. Climate control,

2124
01:43:35,372 --> 01:43:38,733
Speaker 14: having that temperature that suits the driver not the passengers,

2125
01:43:40,253 --> 01:43:44,133
Speaker 14: and keeping things running that way. Secretarial service and I

2126
01:43:44,173 --> 01:43:46,612
Speaker 14: really liked your list. It is spot on.

2127
01:43:46,853 --> 01:43:49,372
Speaker 3: Yeah cool. I'm going to add that I'm taking care

2128
01:43:49,372 --> 01:43:53,972
Speaker 3: of life Edmund. Yep, there's another responsibility.

2129
01:43:54,893 --> 01:43:59,853
Speaker 2: So you're running a communication the communications center, Yeah, communications

2130
01:43:59,812 --> 01:44:02,253
Speaker 2: center life. What would you call that? If you're in

2131
01:44:02,652 --> 01:44:06,173
Speaker 2: sort of a military set, you're the communications officer, you're

2132
01:44:06,173 --> 01:44:07,412
Speaker 2: the communications officer.

2133
01:44:07,933 --> 01:44:12,492
Speaker 4: Yeah, uh Colin, how are you this afterday? Yeah?

2134
01:44:12,612 --> 01:44:14,973
Speaker 12: Very good, very good. Most of the some of the

2135
01:44:14,973 --> 01:44:17,732
Speaker 12: trucks these days have the old fatigue management system and

2136
01:44:17,812 --> 01:44:20,532
Speaker 12: there which is link to the company and if you

2137
01:44:20,692 --> 01:44:23,253
Speaker 12: they get warning tell actually ring you. But if you

2138
01:44:23,333 --> 01:44:27,293
Speaker 12: get a fatigue on these we have what's called a

2139
01:44:27,333 --> 01:44:30,972
Speaker 12: seat shaper attached to the driver's seat. When I say

2140
01:44:31,372 --> 01:44:33,612
Speaker 12: five braids, it doesn't give you a nice little butt.

2141
01:44:33,612 --> 01:44:37,173
Speaker 12: It shakes the limits. Jesus down here. The alarms go

2142
01:44:37,293 --> 01:44:41,372
Speaker 12: off and it's so loud it's scarce of delivering crapt Yeah.

2143
01:44:41,293 --> 01:44:43,732
Speaker 2: And Colin, how's that? How's that set off? Is that

2144
01:44:43,772 --> 01:44:46,492
Speaker 2: if your if your eyesight drop, your eye line drops,

2145
01:44:46,572 --> 01:44:48,333
Speaker 2: or or what is that?

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01:44:48,692 --> 01:44:51,053
Speaker 12: All of those? All of those too much awning, if

2147
01:44:51,053 --> 01:44:53,053
Speaker 12: you're looking out the window too long, if you're not

2148
01:44:53,093 --> 01:44:57,572
Speaker 12: concentrating on the road. You can't even you can't even

2149
01:44:58,293 --> 01:45:01,333
Speaker 12: wear the darkest glasses that still sees your eyes. Wow,

2150
01:45:01,412 --> 01:45:04,253
Speaker 12: and in position and things like that. You know, you can't.

2151
01:45:04,333 --> 01:45:04,973
Speaker 12: You can't beat it.

2152
01:45:05,293 --> 01:45:08,173
Speaker 2: Ter all the time. And and you like having that there, Colin,

2153
01:45:08,412 --> 01:45:09,732
Speaker 2: is that something you approve of?

2154
01:45:10,692 --> 01:45:10,772
Speaker 18: You?

2155
01:45:12,532 --> 01:45:14,572
Speaker 12: Well, it's forced on us, but I mean it doesn't

2156
01:45:14,572 --> 01:45:16,652
Speaker 12: bother me. It's same as the end came cameras. You know,

2157
01:45:17,412 --> 01:45:19,732
Speaker 12: the cameras will go off of something, you know, for

2158
01:45:19,812 --> 01:45:23,772
Speaker 12: fatigue related event occurs, so you can actually see somebody

2159
01:45:23,812 --> 01:45:26,013
Speaker 12: going to sleep. But we have external cameras that go

2160
01:45:26,053 --> 01:45:28,452
Speaker 12: outwards as well. The old dash cans. We have black view.

2161
01:45:29,213 --> 01:45:31,772
Speaker 12: So the companies can they can be good for you.

2162
01:45:31,772 --> 01:45:34,133
Speaker 12: You know, if you were in the right then you're saved.

2163
01:45:34,452 --> 01:45:35,213
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2164
01:45:35,412 --> 01:45:37,013
Speaker 3: But the what the.

2165
01:45:36,973 --> 01:45:39,933
Speaker 12: Guys were saying before, suddenly other stuff I endorse was

2166
01:45:39,973 --> 01:45:43,212
Speaker 12: the fatigue side of it. What are there warning signs

2167
01:45:43,293 --> 01:45:45,253
Speaker 12: or there's a whole bunch of warring signs. I used

2168
01:45:45,253 --> 01:45:49,772
Speaker 12: to do courses for fatigue management and ribal licensing back

2169
01:45:49,772 --> 01:45:53,093
Speaker 12: in New Zealand, the physical and non physical. But some

2170
01:45:53,173 --> 01:45:55,333
Speaker 12: of the things, like the people were talking about, but

2171
01:45:55,412 --> 01:45:58,532
Speaker 12: also one of the people are missing is speeding up

2172
01:45:58,572 --> 01:46:02,133
Speaker 12: and slowing down. The person suddenly starts to travel at

2173
01:46:02,173 --> 01:46:04,692
Speaker 12: eighty k instead of one hundred k or you know,

2174
01:46:04,732 --> 01:46:07,372
Speaker 12: and then they suddenly realize it starts speeding up again.

2175
01:46:08,053 --> 01:46:11,173
Speaker 12: And old drift drifting in the lane, you know, tailgating

2176
01:46:11,213 --> 01:46:15,532
Speaker 12: and things like that that the you know, the the

2177
01:46:16,572 --> 01:46:19,372
Speaker 12: shotgun should be watching out for that. But also the

2178
01:46:19,452 --> 01:46:23,092
Speaker 12: other one is if you've got a driver who's checking

2179
01:46:23,133 --> 01:46:24,812
Speaker 12: away and then all of a sudden they has become

2180
01:46:24,893 --> 01:46:28,652
Speaker 12: very quiet and you find them concentrating really hard on

2181
01:46:28,692 --> 01:46:31,892
Speaker 12: the road. They have to teak I mean, I said,

2182
01:46:31,973 --> 01:46:34,172
Speaker 12: she ever ch car driver. Most people in New Zealand

2183
01:46:34,213 --> 01:46:38,452
Speaker 12: don't do many miles openlock between six and a half

2184
01:46:38,452 --> 01:46:41,412
Speaker 12: and seven thou k a week, and I started running

2185
01:46:41,492 --> 01:46:43,612
Speaker 12: at ten o'clock at night. So you know, we're well

2186
01:46:43,772 --> 01:46:46,053
Speaker 12: used to the fatigue side of it, and we still

2187
01:46:46,093 --> 01:46:49,452
Speaker 12: get caught out of it. Out again. Yeah, the one

2188
01:46:49,492 --> 01:46:52,213
Speaker 12: thing you said before, I had to do a bit

2189
01:46:52,213 --> 01:46:56,812
Speaker 12: of a grin. You said, oh, your shotgun partner just

2190
01:46:56,893 --> 01:47:00,093
Speaker 12: hopped in there and rolled over and witness sleep. Have

2191
01:47:00,173 --> 01:47:02,612
Speaker 12: you ever thought that possibly she is bored with you?

2192
01:47:05,853 --> 01:47:08,972
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Colin, I do one wonder from

2193
01:47:08,973 --> 01:47:15,213
Speaker 2: time to time, that's for sure. A couple of years,

2194
01:47:16,293 --> 01:47:22,933
Speaker 2: a couple of years. Okay, well, I'll get back to

2195
01:47:22,933 --> 01:47:24,772
Speaker 2: you in forty eight years. Thanks for your cal Colin.

2196
01:47:24,893 --> 01:47:25,652
Speaker 4: Thank you, Colin.

2197
01:47:26,692 --> 01:47:28,973
Speaker 2: This is an interesting one. That's that could possibly be

2198
01:47:29,133 --> 01:47:31,772
Speaker 2: added to cleaning sunglasses as well.

2199
01:47:32,013 --> 01:47:36,173
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. So where are you at at

2200
01:47:36,173 --> 01:47:37,652
Speaker 4: the moment? Is that about list?

2201
01:47:38,933 --> 01:47:41,772
Speaker 2: We're at ten now. But there's just another one I

2202
01:47:41,853 --> 01:47:44,572
Speaker 2: saw that came through, and that's backing you up when

2203
01:47:44,612 --> 01:47:48,812
Speaker 2: you're in any in any anger that you have at

2204
01:47:48,812 --> 01:47:51,492
Speaker 2: other drivers. So for example, I'm not sure how I

2205
01:47:51,532 --> 01:47:54,213
Speaker 2: feel about this one, but I'm just looking for the

2206
01:47:54,253 --> 01:47:56,253
Speaker 2: text here sort of so many coming through it's gone

2207
01:47:56,253 --> 01:47:58,692
Speaker 2: down to the bottom. Our shotgun should scream loudly and

2208
01:47:58,732 --> 01:48:01,333
Speaker 2: grab the nearest handle. If you think you can't make

2209
01:48:01,412 --> 01:48:06,492
Speaker 2: the massive gap and I think, I think within reason,

2210
01:48:06,732 --> 01:48:09,053
Speaker 2: But you'd be a terrible shotgun if you saw a

2211
01:48:09,053 --> 01:48:11,492
Speaker 2: potential accident about to happen and you didn't say anything.

2212
01:48:11,572 --> 01:48:11,692
Speaker 7: Right.

2213
01:48:12,692 --> 01:48:15,812
Speaker 2: So if if you're reversing and this can be, this

2214
01:48:15,853 --> 01:48:18,013
Speaker 2: can be. There can be too much on this And

2215
01:48:18,093 --> 01:48:21,812
Speaker 2: it depends how your your shotgun passenger is calibrated. Some

2216
01:48:21,853 --> 01:48:24,372
Speaker 2: people think there's a disaster happening all the time, but

2217
01:48:24,412 --> 01:48:27,452
Speaker 2: it would be ridiculous if you were pulling out and

2218
01:48:27,532 --> 01:48:31,532
Speaker 2: into a dangerous situation and your shot gun didn't didn't

2219
01:48:32,133 --> 01:48:35,333
Speaker 2: didn't be another line of alarm and a warning in

2220
01:48:35,372 --> 01:48:35,932
Speaker 2: a situation.

2221
01:48:36,093 --> 01:48:38,572
Speaker 3: It's a fine line. You can reach rule number three,

2222
01:48:38,692 --> 01:48:40,492
Speaker 3: but you've got to be damn sure you're right if

2223
01:48:40,532 --> 01:48:42,692
Speaker 3: you do. Patrick, how are you.

2224
01:48:47,053 --> 01:48:50,213
Speaker 19: So lost?

2225
01:48:50,293 --> 01:48:53,172
Speaker 12: My dad gets annoyed at the new play.

2226
01:48:55,452 --> 01:48:56,372
Speaker 24: Yeah a lot?

2227
01:48:58,572 --> 01:48:59,932
Speaker 4: And what sort of music do you play?

2228
01:48:59,933 --> 01:49:00,333
Speaker 2: Patrick?

2229
01:49:03,372 --> 01:49:04,093
Speaker 24: The same song?

2230
01:49:05,853 --> 01:49:07,253
Speaker 2: What's what's that tun Patrick?

2231
01:49:13,652 --> 01:49:13,772
Speaker 14: Ah?

2232
01:49:13,853 --> 01:49:16,532
Speaker 2: Yeah? And are you are you? Are you in the passenger?

2233
01:49:16,572 --> 01:49:18,333
Speaker 2: See there are you in the back seat? These days?

2234
01:49:18,412 --> 01:49:25,412
Speaker 2: Patrick in Shotgun oh yeah, good. But yeah, well that's

2235
01:49:25,532 --> 01:49:27,852
Speaker 2: and and if your if your father has given you

2236
01:49:28,093 --> 01:49:30,612
Speaker 2: the right to play the music, has been in charge

2237
01:49:30,652 --> 01:49:32,333
Speaker 2: of the music in the shotgun, then you just punish

2238
01:49:32,372 --> 01:49:34,213
Speaker 2: them with the same song over and over again. Patrick,

2239
01:49:34,253 --> 01:49:36,452
Speaker 2: that you're right, I.

2240
01:49:37,333 --> 01:49:40,532
Speaker 24: Always you're a good kid.

2241
01:49:40,572 --> 01:49:41,012
Speaker 4: Patrick.

2242
01:49:41,372 --> 01:49:43,293
Speaker 2: Good on your Patrick, thank you so much for your call.

2243
01:49:44,372 --> 01:49:48,092
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred eighty eighty is the number. Call Ewan,

2244
01:49:49,133 --> 01:49:50,053
Speaker 3: you've got another.

2245
01:49:52,732 --> 01:49:55,412
Speaker 13: Get no problem.

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01:49:56,053 --> 01:49:59,492
Speaker 25: A great list there, very good idea. But like all

2247
01:49:59,652 --> 01:50:02,812
Speaker 25: lists and documents, is always clauses, and I think you

2248
01:50:02,973 --> 01:50:07,692
Speaker 25: need to add a situation adjustment clause. When you're a

2249
01:50:07,732 --> 01:50:11,772
Speaker 25: really good friends to your family and friends, there's one

2250
01:50:11,812 --> 01:50:14,732
Speaker 25: thing you'll always do for them, and be a sober driver.

2251
01:50:15,293 --> 01:50:17,772
Speaker 25: When you're maturing the car and they're drunk, that list

2252
01:50:17,893 --> 01:50:23,733
Speaker 25: is out the window. God, there's no chance of talking any.

2253
01:50:23,532 --> 01:50:24,013
Speaker 11: Sense of.

2254
01:50:26,933 --> 01:50:29,412
Speaker 2: Oh no. That I mean, as a person that's been

2255
01:50:29,452 --> 01:50:31,492
Speaker 2: the designated driver a lot of my life, that is

2256
01:50:31,772 --> 01:50:35,293
Speaker 2: that is a trying situation. When you've got four of

2257
01:50:35,333 --> 01:50:38,093
Speaker 2: the funniest people in their minds that have ever existed,

2258
01:50:40,253 --> 01:50:41,572
Speaker 2: that's when you're doing God's work.

2259
01:50:41,772 --> 01:50:44,133
Speaker 4: That is trauma drivers.

2260
01:50:43,812 --> 01:50:46,692
Speaker 2: Of this world, of the best of us, Hey, thank

2261
01:50:46,732 --> 01:50:47,772
Speaker 2: you so much for your call. Evan.

2262
01:50:48,732 --> 01:50:50,532
Speaker 4: Some plenty, plenty of great tickets coming through.

2263
01:50:50,572 --> 01:50:54,293
Speaker 3: On nine to nine to two. My partner is asleep

2264
01:50:54,333 --> 01:50:56,732
Speaker 3: before we hit the motorway. When we hit away, she

2265
01:50:56,812 --> 01:50:59,572
Speaker 3: does have random moments throughout the journey where she wakes

2266
01:50:59,652 --> 01:51:02,253
Speaker 3: up in a panic and makes me full aware, fully

2267
01:51:02,293 --> 01:51:05,013
Speaker 3: aware of a fellow driver seven undermeters a head that

2268
01:51:05,093 --> 01:51:06,492
Speaker 3: touched their brakes from Keith.

2269
01:51:07,213 --> 01:51:09,452
Speaker 4: Keep those coming in on nine to nine to two.

2270
01:51:09,933 --> 01:51:12,012
Speaker 4: It is eleven minutes to four.

2271
01:51:14,013 --> 01:51:17,492
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

2272
01:51:17,732 --> 01:51:21,492
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams. Afternoons you

2273
01:51:21,612 --> 01:51:24,173
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty four US Talk said, be said, be

2274
01:51:24,612 --> 01:51:25,373
Speaker 1: good afternoon.

2275
01:51:25,372 --> 01:51:26,492
Speaker 4: It is eight to four.

2276
01:51:26,853 --> 01:51:29,852
Speaker 2: So we've been talking about shotgun rules today for the

2277
01:51:29,933 --> 01:51:33,452
Speaker 2: last hour. Shotgun being the passenger's seat person when you're driving.

2278
01:51:33,772 --> 01:51:36,692
Speaker 2: And this was on the back of a person in

2279
01:51:36,732 --> 01:51:40,333
Speaker 2: my life who was driving back from East Auckland in

2280
01:51:40,372 --> 01:51:43,692
Speaker 2: the weekend and she just rolled the seat back and said,

2281
01:51:43,692 --> 01:51:45,293
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a bit of a snooze on

2282
01:51:45,333 --> 01:51:47,213
Speaker 2: the way, and it just got me thinking while we

2283
01:51:47,213 --> 01:51:50,093
Speaker 2: were driving, what are the rules that the person the

2284
01:51:50,133 --> 01:51:54,132
Speaker 2: shotgun you know what are their responsibilities and that very criminal.

2285
01:51:54,133 --> 01:51:57,333
Speaker 2: Here is on the phone, Tracy. Welcome to the show.

2286
01:51:57,173 --> 01:51:58,692
Speaker 4: Are you Tracy?

2287
01:51:59,492 --> 01:51:59,652
Speaker 23: Hi?

2288
01:52:01,133 --> 01:52:07,773
Speaker 2: So you were asleep for the entire drive back from

2289
01:52:07,893 --> 01:52:11,053
Speaker 2: your your family Christmas back to our house, which was

2290
01:52:11,053 --> 01:52:12,092
Speaker 2: about forty five minutes.

2291
01:52:13,532 --> 01:52:15,293
Speaker 24: I wouldn't say it was the entire time.

2292
01:52:16,213 --> 01:52:19,012
Speaker 2: Yes, what percentage of the time do you think it was, Tracy?

2293
01:52:20,013 --> 01:52:20,652
Speaker 22: I think it was.

2294
01:52:20,652 --> 01:52:24,933
Speaker 24: Maybe sixty to seventy five percent time.

2295
01:52:25,133 --> 01:52:26,172
Speaker 4: And so that's a big difference.

2296
01:52:26,213 --> 01:52:29,772
Speaker 2: And do you do you agree? Do you confess to

2297
01:52:29,933 --> 01:52:32,532
Speaker 2: rolling your seatback slightly and saying I'm going to have

2298
01:52:32,572 --> 01:52:33,293
Speaker 2: a snooze.

2299
01:52:34,253 --> 01:52:34,892
Speaker 5: I'm true yet?

2300
01:52:35,213 --> 01:52:38,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, So what was the rationale Tracy when you jumped

2301
01:52:38,133 --> 01:52:39,772
Speaker 3: in the car and you turned to matt and said,

2302
01:52:39,853 --> 01:52:41,652
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm just gonna have all we snooze

2303
01:52:41,652 --> 01:52:42,572
Speaker 3: while we drive back.

2304
01:52:43,412 --> 01:52:44,413
Speaker 4: What was the rationale?

2305
01:52:45,612 --> 01:52:50,732
Speaker 24: I thought, I've had a couple of Prosecco's and it

2306
01:52:50,853 --> 01:52:52,852
Speaker 24: was the middle of the day, and I thought, you know,

2307
01:52:53,013 --> 01:52:55,612
Speaker 24: I've done I've done a lot. I do a lot

2308
01:52:55,652 --> 01:52:58,852
Speaker 24: for Matthew during the week, yep. And I thought, this

2309
01:52:59,013 --> 01:53:01,133
Speaker 24: is the least he can do for me, is just

2310
01:53:01,452 --> 01:53:04,692
Speaker 24: fearing me home after a couple of proseccos as well.

2311
01:53:04,973 --> 01:53:09,652
Speaker 2: Argued okay, well, Tracy, love you, but these are your

2312
01:53:09,692 --> 01:53:16,452
Speaker 2: official shotgun responsibilities going forward, as compiled by ZB listeners,

2313
01:53:16,532 --> 01:53:21,052
Speaker 2: and this is official. Okay, so shotgun responsibilities if required

2314
01:53:21,093 --> 01:53:24,612
Speaker 2: by the driver, you have to keep the driver company.

2315
01:53:25,772 --> 01:53:29,612
Speaker 2: You are in charge of music and entertainment and shotgun.

2316
01:53:29,692 --> 01:53:32,532
Speaker 2: You can't be stressing the driver out with arguments and bs.

2317
01:53:35,333 --> 01:53:37,372
Speaker 2: You're in charge of opening and handing the driver the

2318
01:53:37,372 --> 01:53:42,253
Speaker 2: snacks and drinks. They need speak up if there's any

2319
01:53:42,372 --> 01:53:43,372
Speaker 2: you disagree with here.

2320
01:53:43,333 --> 01:53:47,253
Speaker 4: No objections, No, I disagree with all of them.

2321
01:53:48,452 --> 01:53:51,972
Speaker 2: You're in charge of additional navigational information such as looking

2322
01:53:52,053 --> 01:53:57,053
Speaker 2: up locations on your phone. You are in charge of

2323
01:53:57,253 --> 01:54:01,133
Speaker 2: child discipline and general backseat discipline. You're in charge of

2324
01:54:01,133 --> 01:54:05,652
Speaker 2: controlling the acc You're responsible for gates and getting food

2325
01:54:05,652 --> 01:54:10,092
Speaker 2: at servos. You are the communications officer, so for any

2326
01:54:10,572 --> 01:54:13,492
Speaker 2: text or messages coming through on the phone, So if

2327
01:54:13,492 --> 01:54:15,372
Speaker 2: any of my mates are texting stuff, you have to

2328
01:54:15,412 --> 01:54:19,492
Speaker 2: respond to them. And the final one is you're in

2329
01:54:19,572 --> 01:54:23,293
Speaker 2: charge of cleaning my sunglasses. From the shotgun position.

2330
01:54:24,452 --> 01:54:26,412
Speaker 24: Sounds like you have just made all these rules up

2331
01:54:29,572 --> 01:54:34,533
Speaker 24: and what's the benefit of being the passengers. There's nothing

2332
01:54:34,573 --> 01:54:34,972
Speaker 24: there for.

2333
01:54:34,973 --> 01:54:38,573
Speaker 2: Me, Well there is. You're getting. You're getting the best

2334
01:54:38,653 --> 01:54:40,772
Speaker 2: driver in New Zealand taking your home safely.

2335
01:54:41,093 --> 01:54:41,852
Speaker 4: Come for your seat.

2336
01:54:42,253 --> 01:54:44,453
Speaker 2: So these are going to be printed out and they're

2337
01:54:44,493 --> 01:54:47,253
Speaker 2: going to be stuck on the glove box and the

2338
01:54:47,293 --> 01:54:51,733
Speaker 2: passenger seat for future, for future commutes.

2339
01:54:52,013 --> 01:54:54,613
Speaker 24: All right, all right, if you're happy for me to

2340
01:54:54,653 --> 01:54:59,453
Speaker 24: be reading out all the messages on your phone, fine, so.

2341
01:54:59,573 --> 01:55:02,573
Speaker 2: Good, yeah, all right, okay, then you're seem busy, I'll

2342
01:55:02,613 --> 01:55:04,092
Speaker 2: let you go, all.

2343
01:55:04,053 --> 01:55:08,772
Speaker 3: Right, Tracy, Right, they're done and dusted. Well, maybe Tracy

2344
01:55:08,812 --> 01:55:10,373
Speaker 3: will be the driver from now on. You have to

2345
01:55:10,373 --> 01:55:11,213
Speaker 3: appide by these rules.

2346
01:55:11,293 --> 01:55:13,133
Speaker 2: So I think those are pretty good official rules. I

2347
01:55:13,133 --> 01:55:16,333
Speaker 2: think we're all agreed as a radio show and a

2348
01:55:16,373 --> 01:55:19,733
Speaker 2: listenership that those are the eleven shotgun responsibilities.

2349
01:55:19,772 --> 01:55:21,812
Speaker 3: We're going to send them to AA and the government

2350
01:55:21,973 --> 01:55:23,733
Speaker 3: and get them rolled out everywhere.

2351
01:55:24,333 --> 01:55:26,852
Speaker 4: But that was a great chat. Thank you very much

2352
01:55:26,893 --> 01:55:27,413
Speaker 4: for today.

2353
01:55:27,933 --> 01:55:31,173
Speaker 3: We will do it all again tomorrow Thursday.

2354
01:55:31,573 --> 01:55:34,972
Speaker 4: In the meantime, give them a taste of care.

2355
01:55:35,013 --> 01:56:06,613
Speaker 16: We from Med and Tyler Adams.

2356
01:56:07,493 --> 01:56:10,133
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2357
01:56:10,213 --> 01:56:13,172
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2358
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