1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,467 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:11,787 Speaker 1: from Newstalk zed B. 3 00:00:12,987 --> 00:00:15,947 Speaker 2: Let's continue our build up towards the Bledisloe Cup Test 4 00:00:15,987 --> 00:00:18,867 Speaker 2: this afternoon. It is a real pleasure to be joined 5 00:00:18,867 --> 00:00:22,027 Speaker 2: by a true Wallaby's great Joe Roff was one of 6 00:00:22,067 --> 00:00:25,027 Speaker 2: the stars of a golden era in Australian rugby, without doubt, 7 00:00:25,307 --> 00:00:27,987 Speaker 2: one of the best wingers in the world, while also 8 00:00:28,027 --> 00:00:30,187 Speaker 2: being able to play in the centers or at fullback 9 00:00:30,227 --> 00:00:33,747 Speaker 2: if required. Between nineteen ninety five and two thousand and four, 10 00:00:34,027 --> 00:00:37,507 Speaker 2: he played eighty six Test matches for Australia, scoring two 11 00:00:37,627 --> 00:00:41,267 Speaker 2: hundred and forty four points. He played in three Rugby 12 00:00:41,267 --> 00:00:44,507 Speaker 2: World Cups, making his Wallaby's debut at the nineteen ninety 13 00:00:44,507 --> 00:00:47,467 Speaker 2: five tournament, winning the World Cup in nineteen ninety nine 14 00:00:47,627 --> 00:00:49,707 Speaker 2: and coming off the bench in the two thousand and 15 00:00:49,747 --> 00:00:52,947 Speaker 2: three final against England. He played against the All Blacks, 16 00:00:52,947 --> 00:00:55,907 Speaker 2: as I say, seventeen times, scoring a try in that 17 00:00:56,187 --> 00:00:59,787 Speaker 2: iconic match of the Century in Sydney in two thousand. 18 00:01:00,147 --> 00:01:03,627 Speaker 2: Cluster up there it is for Herban de Souz. Creagan 19 00:01:03,707 --> 00:01:04,547 Speaker 2: has his hands on it. 20 00:01:04,867 --> 00:01:09,947 Speaker 3: He was tackled Wilkins Grands by the referee and the 21 00:01:10,027 --> 00:01:12,387 Speaker 3: Bobbies incredibly. 22 00:01:11,907 --> 00:01:14,547 Speaker 2: John Nevil and then he also scored in the return 23 00:01:14,587 --> 00:01:16,227 Speaker 2: match in Wellington a few weeks later. 24 00:01:16,307 --> 00:01:19,147 Speaker 3: Layton, who's up in the line, Thank you a dune 25 00:01:19,787 --> 00:01:25,747 Speaker 3: Latum Joe, they've got another one. 26 00:01:27,107 --> 00:01:29,867 Speaker 2: The wingers have gone busch now. That was Joe Roff's 27 00:01:29,867 --> 00:01:33,267 Speaker 2: forty seventh consecutive Test match, eclipsing the record set at 28 00:01:33,307 --> 00:01:36,827 Speaker 2: that time by Phil Kerns. After his playing career finished, 29 00:01:36,827 --> 00:01:41,787 Speaker 2: he earned a Masters of Arts, Politics, Philosophy and Economics 30 00:01:42,187 --> 00:01:45,827 Speaker 2: at Oxford University in the UK and has held several 31 00:01:45,987 --> 00:01:49,227 Speaker 2: CEO positions. In April of last year, he was appointed 32 00:01:49,307 --> 00:01:54,267 Speaker 2: President of Rugby Australia and in something of a statistical oddity, 33 00:01:54,787 --> 00:01:57,827 Speaker 2: he lost the first seven Test matches he played against 34 00:01:57,827 --> 00:02:00,867 Speaker 2: the All Blacks, but then won eight of the next ten, 35 00:02:01,387 --> 00:02:03,227 Speaker 2: the last of which was the two thousand and three 36 00:02:03,307 --> 00:02:06,107 Speaker 2: Rugby World Cup semi final. Joe Roff was with us, Jokoby, 37 00:02:06,107 --> 00:02:08,427 Speaker 2: start with that stat Perhaps seven losses in your first 38 00:02:08,467 --> 00:02:11,187 Speaker 2: seven against the All Blacks, then eight wins from ten? 39 00:02:11,707 --> 00:02:13,387 Speaker 2: Did it just sort of take you a little while 40 00:02:13,467 --> 00:02:14,667 Speaker 2: to get the hang of beating us? 41 00:02:18,227 --> 00:02:20,027 Speaker 4: That was one of the nicest introductions I think I've 42 00:02:20,027 --> 00:02:22,707 Speaker 4: ever had. Yes, it was a. 43 00:02:22,667 --> 00:02:26,907 Speaker 3: Strange old introduction to playing the All Blacks. Yeah, I 44 00:02:26,947 --> 00:02:30,027 Speaker 3: remember we lost and lost and lost, and then and 45 00:02:30,027 --> 00:02:33,707 Speaker 3: then suddenly the damn broke, so to speak, and then 46 00:02:33,747 --> 00:02:36,987 Speaker 3: we had a little bit of success against and we 47 00:02:37,027 --> 00:02:39,427 Speaker 3: had some you know, some of the great Bledislow Tests 48 00:02:39,427 --> 00:02:42,627 Speaker 3: of all time through that period. But I think around 49 00:02:42,667 --> 00:02:44,947 Speaker 3: that time we just had a very balanced squad that 50 00:02:45,027 --> 00:02:49,027 Speaker 3: had a lot of self belief and in those eightieth 51 00:02:49,067 --> 00:02:54,067 Speaker 3: minute turning points, you know, we just we won the 52 00:02:54,067 --> 00:02:56,707 Speaker 3: one point letters loads that the Johnny was kicking a 53 00:02:56,747 --> 00:02:59,307 Speaker 3: goal or Toddy Kefhu scoring on the bill. 54 00:02:59,107 --> 00:03:01,627 Speaker 4: And that was a very special period for the Wallabies. 55 00:03:02,027 --> 00:03:03,347 Speaker 4: Wallabies team around that time. 56 00:03:03,427 --> 00:03:04,907 Speaker 2: I want to talk about a couple of those test 57 00:03:04,907 --> 00:03:07,747 Speaker 2: matches in a moment specifically, but in general terms, Joe, 58 00:03:07,747 --> 00:03:10,467 Speaker 2: how much did you relish locking horns with the All 59 00:03:10,507 --> 00:03:12,107 Speaker 2: Blacks during your time on the side. 60 00:03:12,707 --> 00:03:14,027 Speaker 4: Oh, I loved it. 61 00:03:14,027 --> 00:03:17,107 Speaker 3: It's Blooderslow week is the best week in rugby in 62 00:03:17,147 --> 00:03:20,947 Speaker 3: my view, and it's just so very special. Last night, 63 00:03:20,987 --> 00:03:22,587 Speaker 3: I think if I can just radle off some names, 64 00:03:22,627 --> 00:03:24,627 Speaker 3: we had some we had some dinner. 65 00:03:24,387 --> 00:03:26,347 Speaker 4: With with these names. 66 00:03:26,387 --> 00:03:30,867 Speaker 3: Gregan, Phil Wore, Dian Herbert, Matt Cober and Justin Harrison 67 00:03:31,227 --> 00:03:34,027 Speaker 3: and Justin Marshall joined us later on in the He's 68 00:03:34,107 --> 00:03:37,387 Speaker 3: being too, and it's just it's such such a special 69 00:03:38,267 --> 00:03:43,467 Speaker 3: event in rugby, and you know, to lock horns with 70 00:03:43,547 --> 00:03:47,067 Speaker 3: the All Blacks. We were talking last night and George 71 00:03:47,067 --> 00:03:50,707 Speaker 3: and I saying we remember speaking to Carlos Spencer once 72 00:03:50,867 --> 00:03:53,747 Speaker 3: back in nineteen ninety seven. We hadn't beaten, as you said, 73 00:03:53,587 --> 00:03:56,547 Speaker 3: we'd lost and we'd lost and we lost, and he 74 00:03:56,667 --> 00:04:00,067 Speaker 3: just spoke I think Carlos said something like the problem 75 00:04:00,107 --> 00:04:01,827 Speaker 3: is that you guys don't believe you can beat us. 76 00:04:01,987 --> 00:04:05,427 Speaker 3: And when someone says that, the George Gregan you can 77 00:04:05,467 --> 00:04:07,947 Speaker 3: see his eyes like narrowing, and. 78 00:04:09,827 --> 00:04:14,427 Speaker 4: It became a very intense moment that I removed myself 79 00:04:14,507 --> 00:04:21,467 Speaker 4: very quickly from. But that's the sort of intense competition 80 00:04:21,547 --> 00:04:24,107 Speaker 4: and rivalry, but it's in such good spirit at the 81 00:04:24,147 --> 00:04:27,387 Speaker 4: same time, So you know, wonderful. You know. 82 00:04:27,467 --> 00:04:30,747 Speaker 3: I was also caught up yesterday with Andrew Martins and 83 00:04:30,867 --> 00:04:33,947 Speaker 3: it's wonderful that we all know now we shared a 84 00:04:33,987 --> 00:04:38,587 Speaker 3: really special part of the Bladislow Cup history and there's 85 00:04:38,627 --> 00:04:39,827 Speaker 3: more to be created today. 86 00:04:40,107 --> 00:04:42,467 Speaker 2: Absolutely, well, it's good to know Carlos is to blame 87 00:04:42,787 --> 00:04:44,747 Speaker 2: for what happened from ninety eight through to about two 88 00:04:44,787 --> 00:04:47,307 Speaker 2: thousand and three, but we can take that up with 89 00:04:47,387 --> 00:04:49,947 Speaker 2: him another time. Some of those names you mentioned, Joe 90 00:04:50,467 --> 00:04:53,907 Speaker 2: and some others too, Greegan, Larkham, Little Horn, Herbert Burke, 91 00:04:54,107 --> 00:04:56,587 Speaker 2: tune Man. What was it like playing in a back 92 00:04:56,627 --> 00:04:57,427 Speaker 2: line with those guys. 93 00:04:58,387 --> 00:05:00,747 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's only with the benefit of hindsight 94 00:05:00,787 --> 00:05:03,587 Speaker 3: that you realize how special it was. I mean, you know, 95 00:05:03,827 --> 00:05:06,027 Speaker 3: for me, you think about it because I played at 96 00:05:06,027 --> 00:05:08,827 Speaker 3: the Bram and so I spent my whole career both 97 00:05:08,827 --> 00:05:12,427 Speaker 3: at Super rugby and Test level playing outside Gregan and Larkham. 98 00:05:12,467 --> 00:05:14,347 Speaker 3: So if you can't make a good fist of it 99 00:05:14,387 --> 00:05:16,747 Speaker 3: playing outside those two, you can't make a fist of 100 00:05:16,747 --> 00:05:19,907 Speaker 3: it playing anywhere. So I was very blessed in terms 101 00:05:19,907 --> 00:05:22,787 Speaker 3: of the people that I played with and through that time. 102 00:05:22,827 --> 00:05:26,907 Speaker 3: But I think there's a and a lot of people 103 00:05:26,947 --> 00:05:29,427 Speaker 3: talk about team culture and it's really hard to define, 104 00:05:29,507 --> 00:05:35,027 Speaker 3: but it's it's just that that motivation to make yourself 105 00:05:35,187 --> 00:05:39,147 Speaker 3: and the person around you better time after time after time, 106 00:05:39,707 --> 00:05:43,587 Speaker 3: and through that period there was that real, you know, 107 00:05:43,627 --> 00:05:47,947 Speaker 3: that real spirit of just improving and getting better and better, 108 00:05:47,987 --> 00:05:51,787 Speaker 3: and so yeah, we went from you know, I look 109 00:05:51,787 --> 00:05:55,947 Speaker 3: at the Argentina blowout last weekend against the Wallabies, but 110 00:05:56,027 --> 00:05:58,027 Speaker 3: we had one of those in nineteen ninety seven and 111 00:05:58,067 --> 00:06:00,347 Speaker 3: then two years later we won the World Cup. So 112 00:06:00,787 --> 00:06:03,747 Speaker 3: rugby rugbies a strange sport like that in terms of 113 00:06:03,787 --> 00:06:06,667 Speaker 3: if you can just get it right culturally, you get 114 00:06:06,667 --> 00:06:08,267 Speaker 3: that self belief, anything can happen. 115 00:06:08,947 --> 00:06:11,467 Speaker 2: Are you up to articulate the influence that John eels 116 00:06:11,507 --> 00:06:12,907 Speaker 2: had on that team? 117 00:06:13,347 --> 00:06:19,267 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, Eelsy was he was a quiet, assured leader. 118 00:06:21,827 --> 00:06:25,907 Speaker 3: Nothing ever really ruffled him and you know, just. 119 00:06:25,867 --> 00:06:27,667 Speaker 4: A very calm leader. 120 00:06:29,147 --> 00:06:31,507 Speaker 3: If you remember the Test we're playing out at a 121 00:06:31,947 --> 00:06:35,947 Speaker 3: core stadium this Bledders though, and one of the most 122 00:06:35,947 --> 00:06:38,547 Speaker 3: famous tests was the first time that Bledisloe was played there. 123 00:06:38,547 --> 00:06:42,507 Speaker 3: And if you remember that one that Joonah Lomu scored 124 00:06:42,507 --> 00:06:44,507 Speaker 3: in the eighty fourth minute to win the game, but 125 00:06:45,227 --> 00:06:47,547 Speaker 3: one hundred and ten thousand people out there, it was 126 00:06:48,307 --> 00:06:50,587 Speaker 3: just they called it the game that came down from Heaven. 127 00:06:50,947 --> 00:06:53,667 Speaker 3: It was an amazing Test match. But that was the 128 00:06:53,667 --> 00:06:56,907 Speaker 3: one where we were down twenty four nil after eight 129 00:06:56,987 --> 00:07:01,907 Speaker 3: minutes and we're all standing behind the goal line and 130 00:07:01,987 --> 00:07:05,067 Speaker 3: Eelsy was. We were all thinking, well, this is going 131 00:07:05,107 --> 00:07:08,027 Speaker 3: to be a big score today, but he just said, 132 00:07:08,827 --> 00:07:11,027 Speaker 3: we haven't touched the ball yet. Let's just touch the 133 00:07:11,067 --> 00:07:13,787 Speaker 3: ball and get into our game. Once we get the ball, 134 00:07:13,827 --> 00:07:15,827 Speaker 3: we're back in this game. And it was very just 135 00:07:15,867 --> 00:07:19,467 Speaker 3: a measured assessment of the situation and very calm, and 136 00:07:19,507 --> 00:07:21,507 Speaker 3: then we ended up coming back and it was all 137 00:07:22,347 --> 00:07:24,667 Speaker 3: even at halftime and then ended up being one of 138 00:07:24,707 --> 00:07:29,507 Speaker 3: the great Test matches. So you know, you can't underestimate 139 00:07:29,667 --> 00:07:34,547 Speaker 3: the impact of quality leadership within the team and an 140 00:07:34,627 --> 00:07:37,067 Speaker 3: Eelsy was certainly one of those. 141 00:07:36,947 --> 00:07:39,947 Speaker 2: Leaders absolutely well. I mean it's just imprinted on our 142 00:07:39,947 --> 00:07:42,227 Speaker 2: minds that Test match, but also the one in Wellington 143 00:07:42,507 --> 00:07:44,827 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks later, with you guys winning twenty 144 00:07:44,827 --> 00:07:46,147 Speaker 2: four to twenty three. You got to try in each 145 00:07:46,147 --> 00:07:48,827 Speaker 2: of those Test matches, Joe John Eel's kicking the winning 146 00:07:48,907 --> 00:07:51,507 Speaker 2: penalty right at the end to break our hearts and 147 00:07:51,547 --> 00:07:54,187 Speaker 2: retain the bleads like cups. There was something special about 148 00:07:54,187 --> 00:07:57,067 Speaker 2: the two matches in two thousand. Do you remember them vividly? 149 00:07:57,107 --> 00:07:58,587 Speaker 2: Even what quarter of a century on? 150 00:07:59,427 --> 00:08:00,227 Speaker 4: I do? I do? 151 00:08:00,427 --> 00:08:04,107 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, you see a big, big giraffe 152 00:08:04,227 --> 00:08:08,107 Speaker 3: like second rower kicking match winning it's any goals. 153 00:08:08,107 --> 00:08:09,387 Speaker 4: You don't forget that in a hurry. 154 00:08:10,347 --> 00:08:14,467 Speaker 3: It was Yeah, you know, that's that's a special moment 155 00:08:14,467 --> 00:08:20,507 Speaker 3: in time and and just you know austrange beauty about 156 00:08:20,507 --> 00:08:23,667 Speaker 3: our sport that that opportunity just presented itself and our 157 00:08:23,707 --> 00:08:26,787 Speaker 3: captain who you know, with his big high cap boots 158 00:08:26,787 --> 00:08:31,587 Speaker 3: stepped up to kick a match winning penalty goal in 159 00:08:31,627 --> 00:08:34,307 Speaker 3: a Test match against New Zealand. It's a These are 160 00:08:34,347 --> 00:08:38,427 Speaker 3: the things that bleederslow cups create, these these sporting moments, 161 00:08:38,667 --> 00:08:43,107 Speaker 3: and I'm certainly I think this upcoming series in this 162 00:08:43,187 --> 00:08:46,347 Speaker 3: game are going to present some really special moments. 163 00:08:46,587 --> 00:08:49,147 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're looking forward to them. If we look at 164 00:08:49,147 --> 00:08:52,307 Speaker 2: your current role as president of Rugby Australia, Joe, how 165 00:08:52,307 --> 00:08:57,747 Speaker 2: can you best impact the Wallabies as Presidents of Rugby Australia. 166 00:08:59,667 --> 00:09:01,787 Speaker 3: It's a really good question and it's a great honor 167 00:09:01,827 --> 00:09:04,787 Speaker 3: and it's a great privilege to be the person that 168 00:09:05,387 --> 00:09:09,427 Speaker 3: tries to share my love of the game and how 169 00:09:09,507 --> 00:09:12,587 Speaker 3: much how good the game is. 170 00:09:13,187 --> 00:09:15,587 Speaker 4: And you know, if I. 171 00:09:15,547 --> 00:09:19,427 Speaker 3: Can give you an example, in nineteen ninety five, I 172 00:09:19,467 --> 00:09:22,347 Speaker 3: played my first Test and I was presented with. 173 00:09:22,227 --> 00:09:25,227 Speaker 4: My cap by a guy you might remember called Michael. 174 00:09:24,947 --> 00:09:28,427 Speaker 2: Liner of course, of course, of course. 175 00:09:28,307 --> 00:09:32,787 Speaker 3: And so Michael gave me my first cap, and this 176 00:09:32,987 --> 00:09:35,907 Speaker 3: year in the change room after one of the games, 177 00:09:36,267 --> 00:09:39,587 Speaker 3: I was able to present his son, Tomliner with his 178 00:09:39,627 --> 00:09:43,667 Speaker 3: first cap and Michael was on the zoom because he 179 00:09:43,667 --> 00:09:46,627 Speaker 3: was in England but he was watching in and so 180 00:09:46,747 --> 00:09:49,707 Speaker 3: for me to be able to pay it forward and 181 00:09:49,947 --> 00:09:54,267 Speaker 3: welcome Michael's son into the Wallaby family was was a 182 00:09:54,347 --> 00:09:57,027 Speaker 3: very special moment and a very special reminder of what 183 00:09:57,067 --> 00:09:58,707 Speaker 3: the Wallaby family really means. 184 00:09:59,747 --> 00:10:05,107 Speaker 4: So that my role is about, in some ways just 185 00:10:05,107 --> 00:10:09,387 Speaker 4: just sharing and are in younger generations who who you know, were. 186 00:10:11,227 --> 00:10:14,787 Speaker 3: Well, let's be honest, they're fickle and they get choices 187 00:10:14,827 --> 00:10:16,507 Speaker 3: in terms of codes that they want to play, of 188 00:10:16,627 --> 00:10:18,467 Speaker 3: sports they want to play, what they want to gauge. 189 00:10:19,227 --> 00:10:20,867 Speaker 3: Is for me to be able to share with them 190 00:10:20,867 --> 00:10:23,027 Speaker 3: and say, no, this game that we love and that 191 00:10:23,067 --> 00:10:25,907 Speaker 3: we play is very very special and you should get 192 00:10:25,947 --> 00:10:27,547 Speaker 3: involved in it because it's so great. 193 00:10:27,827 --> 00:10:30,627 Speaker 2: Of course, another of your former teammates, Phil War as CEO. 194 00:10:30,907 --> 00:10:34,507 Speaker 2: So what is the nature of your contact with Phil 195 00:10:34,547 --> 00:10:36,227 Speaker 2: war What does that relationship look like. 196 00:10:37,147 --> 00:10:39,347 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite you know, we talk about some of 197 00:10:39,387 --> 00:10:41,507 Speaker 3: these games, these great games in the early two thousand 198 00:10:41,507 --> 00:10:44,267 Speaker 3: and then you look at the structure of Rugby Australia 199 00:10:44,307 --> 00:10:47,467 Speaker 3: and I'm privileged to be in the role that i am. 200 00:10:47,707 --> 00:10:51,667 Speaker 3: I'm in Daniel Herbert's the Chairman of Rugby Australia and 201 00:10:51,707 --> 00:10:55,147 Speaker 3: Phil War's the CEO. So and you know, one from Queensland, 202 00:10:55,227 --> 00:10:58,267 Speaker 3: one from New South Wales, one from the Act. It's 203 00:11:00,107 --> 00:11:04,307 Speaker 3: we were, you know, chatting last night to say there's 204 00:11:04,347 --> 00:11:08,507 Speaker 3: something I think there's. Rugby is a business and we 205 00:11:08,587 --> 00:11:12,027 Speaker 3: get that, and both Phil and Dan have really deep 206 00:11:12,067 --> 00:11:16,227 Speaker 3: business experience, but there's something about having lived experience in 207 00:11:16,267 --> 00:11:21,307 Speaker 3: the game to understand what our community is like and 208 00:11:21,867 --> 00:11:23,347 Speaker 3: what our community. 209 00:11:22,867 --> 00:11:24,267 Speaker 4: Wants from the game. 210 00:11:25,067 --> 00:11:28,907 Speaker 3: And so you know they do the Phil and Herbie 211 00:11:28,947 --> 00:11:32,307 Speaker 3: do the heavy lifting, but they just care so deeply 212 00:11:32,347 --> 00:11:35,827 Speaker 3: about the game that I think we've had we've had 213 00:11:35,867 --> 00:11:39,387 Speaker 3: some challenges over the recent period and I know New 214 00:11:39,507 --> 00:11:42,867 Speaker 3: Zealand rugby experience and challenges as well, that we have 215 00:11:42,947 --> 00:11:45,467 Speaker 3: to step back from that and look at how healthy 216 00:11:45,507 --> 00:11:47,347 Speaker 3: the game is on a global level and just make 217 00:11:47,427 --> 00:11:49,867 Speaker 3: sure that what we're doing in our local markets is 218 00:11:50,747 --> 00:11:53,547 Speaker 3: all together is in the best interests of the game. 219 00:11:53,707 --> 00:11:55,987 Speaker 2: Yeah, terrific approach and just to finish, to bring it 220 00:11:56,027 --> 00:11:57,907 Speaker 2: back to today and to next week as well. What 221 00:11:57,947 --> 00:11:59,827 Speaker 2: do you want to see from the Wallabies and these 222 00:11:59,827 --> 00:12:02,187 Speaker 2: two let uslow cap matches Joe to give you confidence 223 00:12:02,187 --> 00:12:03,467 Speaker 2: that you are on the right track. 224 00:12:04,427 --> 00:12:05,107 Speaker 4: Yeah, look, I. 225 00:12:05,027 --> 00:12:09,987 Speaker 3: Think you know Joe Schmid's all about the basic skills. 226 00:12:11,387 --> 00:12:14,267 Speaker 3: He was famously one of the English players when he 227 00:12:14,307 --> 00:12:19,187 Speaker 3: was coaching Ireland said that Joe Schmidt's teams do the 228 00:12:19,227 --> 00:12:23,587 Speaker 3: things that take no talent really well, and Joe took 229 00:12:23,587 --> 00:12:25,947 Speaker 3: that as a compliment. You know, it's about getting the 230 00:12:25,947 --> 00:12:28,627 Speaker 3: basics right and the disciplines and you know we know 231 00:12:28,747 --> 00:12:32,787 Speaker 3: that if there's turnover ball or those sorts of elements 232 00:12:32,787 --> 00:12:34,947 Speaker 3: that that's when New Zealand's I think New Zealand are 233 00:12:34,947 --> 00:12:38,947 Speaker 3: playing a wonderful brand of rugby. You know, without without 234 00:12:38,987 --> 00:12:43,747 Speaker 3: reminding your listeners of the Rugby World Cup, I would 235 00:12:43,787 --> 00:12:46,907 Speaker 3: say in that game, I was I was really impressed 236 00:12:46,907 --> 00:12:49,107 Speaker 3: because New Zealand went out to win that game and 237 00:12:49,307 --> 00:12:51,707 Speaker 3: South Africa went out there not to lose that game. 238 00:12:52,347 --> 00:12:56,347 Speaker 3: And I think the endeavor of this all black side 239 00:12:56,427 --> 00:12:59,507 Speaker 3: is something we need to be very mindful of. But 240 00:12:59,587 --> 00:13:03,667 Speaker 3: it's going to create a really entertaining game tonight and 241 00:13:04,307 --> 00:13:07,307 Speaker 3: our team just have to have the discipline not to 242 00:13:07,387 --> 00:13:11,067 Speaker 3: provide the opportunities that the New Zealand always in an 243 00:13:11,067 --> 00:13:16,107 Speaker 3: invariably pounce on and make you suffer for if you're 244 00:13:16,707 --> 00:13:21,467 Speaker 3: fracturing in those critical moments. So it's doing the basic 245 00:13:21,507 --> 00:13:23,627 Speaker 3: things very well. This is a team, this is an 246 00:13:23,627 --> 00:13:26,667 Speaker 3: Australian team that is building. There is self belief within 247 00:13:26,707 --> 00:13:29,947 Speaker 3: the change room. Joe Schmid's got an excellent coaching team 248 00:13:29,947 --> 00:13:32,107 Speaker 3: around him. 249 00:13:31,347 --> 00:13:32,867 Speaker 4: And I think it's going to be a very special 250 00:13:32,867 --> 00:13:33,387 Speaker 4: test match. 251 00:13:33,827 --> 00:13:35,387 Speaker 2: Great to get the chance to jet to you, Joe. 252 00:13:35,387 --> 00:13:37,787 Speaker 2: You broke her hearts on several occasions over the side 253 00:13:37,787 --> 00:13:40,467 Speaker 2: of the ditch, but there's nothing like let us low 254 00:13:40,507 --> 00:13:43,067 Speaker 2: Cup Rugby to get the blood pumping and rugby fans 255 00:13:43,107 --> 00:13:45,467 Speaker 2: on both sides of the Tasman. Thanks so much for 256 00:13:45,507 --> 00:13:47,027 Speaker 2: taking the time for a chat this afternoon. 257 00:13:47,707 --> 00:13:48,067 Speaker 4: Thank you. 258 00:13:48,347 --> 00:13:51,987 Speaker 2: Thanks Joe. Joe Roff there he is President of Rugby Australia. 259 00:13:52,427 --> 00:13:53,187 Speaker 2: What a Player. 260 00:13:54,507 --> 00:13:57,667 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Faine, Listen live 261 00:13:57,787 --> 00:14:01,067 Speaker 1: to News Talk z B weekends from midday or follow 262 00:14:01,107 --> 00:14:02,667 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.