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Speaker 1: Togever dup Zl.

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Speaker 2: Last a last minute changed to the RMA bill spells

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Speaker 2: good news for developers but bad news for environmentalists. So

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Speaker 2: the provision that's been discovered would allow local councils to

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Speaker 2: approve the killing of native or protected species, which is

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Speaker 2: usually the job of Doc. Chris Bishop is the minister

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Speaker 2: in charge of this RMA reforming with us now.

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Speaker 1: Hi Bush good Asternonsky.

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Speaker 2: Why did you want to take it away from dock

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Speaker 2: and give it to the councils.

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Speaker 1: It's largely about the overlap, right, So you know, the

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Speaker 1: Wildlife Act is the thing that governs the management of

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Speaker 1: BirdLife and wildlife and that is essentially an environmental function

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Speaker 1: which we think should be bested out with under the

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Speaker 1: Resource Management app We don't think it makes sense to

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Speaker 1: have two regimes. And you know councils, regional councils in

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Speaker 1: particularly when it comes to the environment, they are the

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Speaker 1: administrator of environmental management within their areas. So this is

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Speaker 1: just about reducing red tape and regulatory overlap.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, well why are you going soft on the

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Speaker 2: scene because I see you saying, oh, look, it's just

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Speaker 2: a placeholder thing. It's not cemented in why go so, oh.

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Speaker 1: It's because we've still got to do the policy work.

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Speaker 1: So what happened is, as we were doing the RMA,

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Speaker 1: which is like eight hundred pages, right, we worked out

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Speaker 1: quite late in the piece that we think it would

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Speaker 1: be sensible to put the Wildlife Act approvals, which have

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Speaker 1: been a nightmare to just bear in mind, the Wildlife

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Speaker 1: fact dates all the way back to nineteen fifty three,

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Speaker 1: so it's like eighty years out of date. So we

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Speaker 1: decided quite late in the process, look, let's just tuck

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Speaker 1: this into the new Planning system and new Natural Environment system.

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Speaker 1: But we haven't actually fully fleshed out the policy work

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Speaker 1: on it. So we've put it in the bill and

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Speaker 1: that works underway now and you know we'll be doing

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Speaker 1: that through the select committee process and then the rest

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Speaker 1: of the parliamentary process. So no conspiracy here. We've just

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Speaker 1: got to you know, this is about making sure that

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Speaker 1: you know, we've got a streamline process for the approval

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Speaker 1: of these sorts of things.

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Speaker 2: You've got a problem, by the way, on another subject,

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Speaker 2: you've got a problem with counsels holding up kaying or

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Speaker 2: order bilts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a massive issue. It's been quite interesting just

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Speaker 1: over the last months or so, I've had some advice

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Speaker 1: from I've had some advice from Coying or Orda for example,

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Speaker 1: that they're now facing quite beach and enting problems out

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Speaker 1: there with councils. Let me read you out some of

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Speaker 1: these things that councils have objected to from kyal Oil,

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Speaker 1: which this is a social housing development. For example, here's one.

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Speaker 1: This is in Auckland. The council requested kyl Or a

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Speaker 1: show how people will know where the units are by

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Speaker 1: using signs on the property. So that's a request for

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Speaker 1: information that has went back to kyl Aura and stopped

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Speaker 1: the clock on the twenty working day for the consents

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Speaker 1: we've got. This is in Hamilton. Council has a requirement

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Speaker 1: to include ev charging stations or other eco friendly features

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Speaker 1: on the property to meet the requirements of the new

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Speaker 1: district plan. Here's because of the classic one. Council requested

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Speaker 1: to use different colors in the landscaping plan because the

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Speaker 1: color of the grass and the concrete look too similar.

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Speaker 1: These are all objections that councils have made to kin

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Speaker 1: of Aura development. This is social housing, right, this is

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Speaker 1: housing for people in need, and you know they got.

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Speaker 2: Not fair enough. I can understand your frustration, but is

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Speaker 2: this councils basically trying to stop KO builds popping up

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Speaker 2: in the middle of their cities and their towns. Is

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Speaker 2: this what they're doing that frustrating it?

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Speaker 1: But they do this to private developers too, right, So

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Speaker 1: this is just because yep, absolutely, you know, I've got

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Speaker 1: multiple complaints from private developers too. It's just come across

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Speaker 1: my desk because basically Kaymer already said to me Locke,

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Speaker 1: we're having real problems with consenting councils of giving us

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Speaker 1: a giving us a nightmare. And I said, okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: give me some exp I said, okay, fair enough, but

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Speaker 1: give me some examples. So they've given me this list

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Speaker 1: of examples and you know, it completely a causes what

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Speaker 1: I hear from people out there trying to do private

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Speaker 1: developments as well. This is a shocker. This is another

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Speaker 1: reason why we need to change the RMA, that this

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Speaker 1: stuff is legal and it's stopping development. It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: Good stuffish, Thank you very much appreciated, Chris Bishop, the

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Speaker 2: Minister for RMA reform. For more from Heather duplessy Alan Drive,

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