1 00:00:07,133 --> 00:00:10,453 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Tame podcast 2 00:00:10,573 --> 00:00:11,733 Speaker 1: from News Talks at be. 3 00:00:12,813 --> 00:00:15,533 Speaker 2: Rude, Clive passes our man in the garden. He's with 4 00:00:15,613 --> 00:00:16,173 Speaker 2: us this morning. 5 00:00:16,213 --> 00:00:21,613 Speaker 3: Hey Rude, Hey Jack, have you got lichens on your plants? 6 00:00:21,613 --> 00:00:25,773 Speaker 2: I've got lichens, lichens on on the on the trunks 7 00:00:25,773 --> 00:00:28,893 Speaker 2: of my trees. And and yes, my trees do remain 8 00:00:28,973 --> 00:00:30,733 Speaker 2: or you remember the benefew dramas or the trees at 9 00:00:30,733 --> 00:00:33,013 Speaker 2: my place. But for example, the Bohoda Kawa has lots 10 00:00:33,013 --> 00:00:37,333 Speaker 2: of lichen on the on its trunk. So yeah, but 11 00:00:37,373 --> 00:00:39,213 Speaker 2: I never really think about it. Ah, It's one of 12 00:00:39,253 --> 00:00:41,693 Speaker 2: those things you sort of know, Yeah, unless you actually 13 00:00:41,693 --> 00:00:44,493 Speaker 2: slow down and observe it, you often kind of just 14 00:00:44,613 --> 00:00:46,093 Speaker 2: glance by and don't even notice it. 15 00:00:47,133 --> 00:00:50,173 Speaker 3: Well, that's that's one of the things. The other thing 16 00:00:50,213 --> 00:00:52,853 Speaker 3: is that I've actually started looking at these things at 17 00:00:52,973 --> 00:00:55,733 Speaker 3: night with a UV torch. I mean, it's just I 18 00:00:56,013 --> 00:00:58,333 Speaker 3: just making this up because this is what I do. Sometimes, 19 00:00:58,333 --> 00:01:01,013 Speaker 3: go outside, you got your UV torch on, and you 20 00:01:01,053 --> 00:01:04,773 Speaker 3: look at the lichens, which are always gray gray blue 21 00:01:04,933 --> 00:01:08,493 Speaker 3: or greeny gray blue type thing. Right, But when you 22 00:01:08,493 --> 00:01:12,773 Speaker 3: look under UV, suddenly one of them will turn orange. Yeah, right, 23 00:01:13,853 --> 00:01:18,013 Speaker 3: And another one yellow, and another one blue. It's just buzarre. 24 00:01:18,293 --> 00:01:21,453 Speaker 3: So they've they've kind of interested me for the last 25 00:01:21,533 --> 00:01:25,293 Speaker 3: few years a little bit. But recently, of course, Julie, 26 00:01:25,973 --> 00:01:28,933 Speaker 3: Julie's got this magnolio which is full of this stuff. 27 00:01:29,933 --> 00:01:32,533 Speaker 3: And it was, of course like, what are we going 28 00:01:32,573 --> 00:01:34,693 Speaker 3: to do about this? This doesn't look good. The plant's 29 00:01:34,773 --> 00:01:39,333 Speaker 3: not doing well, not enough flowers. What can you get 30 00:01:39,413 --> 00:01:43,373 Speaker 3: rid of that? Well, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, so 31 00:01:43,413 --> 00:01:45,973 Speaker 3: I started looking into that sort of stuff too, and 32 00:01:46,013 --> 00:01:51,373 Speaker 3: then realized that that those lichens, of course they're not 33 00:01:51,773 --> 00:01:53,653 Speaker 3: by the way, they're not plants at all. They are 34 00:01:53,813 --> 00:01:57,213 Speaker 3: a completely different group of great jewels Christian. 35 00:01:57,453 --> 00:02:02,013 Speaker 2: Yeah, So do they use photosynthesis or how do they 36 00:02:02,253 --> 00:02:04,253 Speaker 2: how do they get energy and restore energy? And how 37 00:02:04,253 --> 00:02:04,733 Speaker 2: do they grow? 38 00:02:06,013 --> 00:02:08,493 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, they're made up of say two 39 00:02:08,613 --> 00:02:13,693 Speaker 3: or three different things fungus, a fungus, a blue green 40 00:02:13,813 --> 00:02:17,973 Speaker 3: algae or a cyanobacteria, and sometimes a third one is 41 00:02:17,973 --> 00:02:22,613 Speaker 3: a yeast. And the cold thing is the fungi are 42 00:02:22,653 --> 00:02:27,333 Speaker 3: basically the ones that can store water, right. The algae can't. 43 00:02:27,373 --> 00:02:30,413 Speaker 3: They quite often dry out. So what the fungus does? 44 00:02:30,453 --> 00:02:32,893 Speaker 3: It says, you know what here's some of my water. 45 00:02:33,413 --> 00:02:35,373 Speaker 3: And then the algie says, you know, you know what, 46 00:02:36,373 --> 00:02:39,693 Speaker 3: not a big deal. I can do photosynthesis and I'll 47 00:02:39,733 --> 00:02:43,333 Speaker 3: send you some sugars from my photosynthesis if you give 48 00:02:43,413 --> 00:02:46,173 Speaker 3: me water. And the same with the yeast. It comes 49 00:02:46,213 --> 00:02:49,093 Speaker 3: in there as well. So basically what you're looking at 50 00:02:49,093 --> 00:02:53,573 Speaker 3: here is basically a fabulous collaboration of two or three 51 00:02:53,693 --> 00:02:56,573 Speaker 3: different creatures that live on the trunk. 52 00:02:56,733 --> 00:03:00,173 Speaker 2: So to be totally clear, is it a standalone creature, 53 00:03:00,373 --> 00:03:02,693 Speaker 2: is it like in a standalone creature? Is it a 54 00:03:02,733 --> 00:03:04,173 Speaker 2: living thing or is it just no. 55 00:03:04,613 --> 00:03:07,213 Speaker 3: Yes, it's a living thing, but it's made from three 56 00:03:07,253 --> 00:03:14,573 Speaker 3: different partners. If that like a cloth, you go, yes, exactly. 57 00:03:14,693 --> 00:03:17,333 Speaker 3: So we'll talk about we'll talk a little bit about 58 00:03:17,373 --> 00:03:20,333 Speaker 3: it in another in another episode. But for instance, in 59 00:03:20,373 --> 00:03:24,253 Speaker 3: the Netherlands, we did not have many likens because there 60 00:03:24,333 --> 00:03:27,293 Speaker 3: was too much pollution in the air. And the reason 61 00:03:27,453 --> 00:03:30,973 Speaker 3: is very simple that the lican can't stand that pollution 62 00:03:31,133 --> 00:03:34,293 Speaker 3: and therefore is not very common there on the tree trunks. 63 00:03:34,813 --> 00:03:37,693 Speaker 3: It's crazy. That's what I know about, and that's how 64 00:03:37,773 --> 00:03:41,453 Speaker 3: I learned everything on forestry too. But anyway, so so 65 00:03:41,573 --> 00:03:44,293 Speaker 3: Julie says, look, this is this is it. I said, well, look, 66 00:03:44,293 --> 00:03:47,133 Speaker 3: but these things work together. She says, yeah, but don't 67 00:03:47,173 --> 00:03:50,213 Speaker 3: you see this plant looking really silly. I said, yes, 68 00:03:50,253 --> 00:03:52,053 Speaker 3: it does a little bit, but you have to remember 69 00:03:52,093 --> 00:03:55,693 Speaker 3: that basically, the funny thing is that it's not that 70 00:03:55,773 --> 00:04:00,133 Speaker 3: the plant is invading the tree. Now, it just lives 71 00:04:00,133 --> 00:04:01,973 Speaker 3: on top. It doesn't have roots in the trees or 72 00:04:01,973 --> 00:04:05,733 Speaker 3: anything like. They just sit there on the branches. And 73 00:04:05,773 --> 00:04:09,653 Speaker 3: it's basically because maybe that plant that we planted is 74 00:04:09,693 --> 00:04:13,693 Speaker 3: not in the right place, so it gives you fewer 75 00:04:13,773 --> 00:04:19,293 Speaker 3: leaves more light. And then this liken says, that's a 76 00:04:19,373 --> 00:04:20,773 Speaker 3: place where I want to live. 77 00:04:22,173 --> 00:04:25,173 Speaker 2: That's really interesting. Yeah, yeah, it's really neat. 78 00:04:25,293 --> 00:04:28,253 Speaker 3: It's really neat. So, for instance, I've got a whole 79 00:04:28,213 --> 00:04:30,093 Speaker 3: lot of pictures as you can see there, for instance, 80 00:04:30,173 --> 00:04:34,453 Speaker 3: lichens growing on people's roofs, but also li likeens growing 81 00:04:34,533 --> 00:04:38,333 Speaker 3: on a really old car window. It's unbelievable. 82 00:04:38,333 --> 00:04:40,333 Speaker 2: Think I've got a window with some liking on it 83 00:04:40,333 --> 00:04:43,493 Speaker 2: probably needs a bit of attention. Actually, yeah, yeah. 84 00:04:43,093 --> 00:04:45,413 Speaker 3: And here comes the nicest thing for next time. That 85 00:04:45,613 --> 00:04:51,253 Speaker 3: name of that liking is sexy pavement Likens sixty. Yeah, 86 00:04:51,733 --> 00:04:54,253 Speaker 3: I know you'd love this. You have to wait, I'll 87 00:04:54,293 --> 00:04:55,693 Speaker 3: do it another day. 88 00:04:56,973 --> 00:04:58,733 Speaker 2: I don't know that I never heard the term sixy 89 00:04:58,733 --> 00:05:02,653 Speaker 2: and pavement next to each other like that, but anyway, 90 00:05:02,253 --> 00:05:05,413 Speaker 2: I again wrote thank you road climb hast in the 91 00:05:05,453 --> 00:05:06,533 Speaker 2: garden for us. 92 00:05:06,853 --> 00:05:09,933 Speaker 1: For more from Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen live 93 00:05:10,053 --> 00:05:12,493 Speaker 1: to News Talks ed B from nine a m. Saturday, 94 00:05:12,773 --> 00:05:14,813 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.