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Speaker 1: Cielda.

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Speaker 2: I'm Chelsea Daniels and this is the Front Page, a

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Speaker 2: daily podcast presented by the New Zealand Herald. Auckland's Mayor

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Speaker 2: Wayne Brown has never shied away from telling us exactly

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Speaker 2: what he thinks. He waged war on council controlled organizations

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Speaker 2: like Ekepinuku and Tatagi Auckland Unlimited, with proposals to abolish

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Speaker 2: them all together and bring their activities in house.

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Speaker 1: He's never thought twice in criticizing who.

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Speaker 2: He calls the weasels in Wellington or central Government, and

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Speaker 2: is also never shied away from voicing his concerns around

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Speaker 2: Auckland Transport, which is currently dealing with a wave of

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Speaker 2: violent attacks on drivers and passengers. Today, on the Front Page,

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Speaker 2: Auckland Mayor Wayne Brown joins us to discuss these issues

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Speaker 2: ahead of his trip to China, where he hopes to

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Speaker 2: put the city of Sales on the do list for investors.

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Speaker 1: First off, how was Brazil?

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Speaker 2: You're off to China next as well? And how are

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Speaker 2: you going to get more Chinese investment in Auckland.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're kind of linked. Brazil and China are led

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Speaker 3: miles apart, but we suffer in New Zealand because the

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Speaker 3: member of the world is on a flat like that,

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Speaker 3: and we're always down this bottom corner down here, And

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Speaker 3: in America they save a bit of time by rolling

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Speaker 3: it back and they cut that bit off, and so

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Speaker 3: when they see a MEMP in America, we don't even exist.

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Speaker 3: And when we do exist, we think, well, we're separated

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Speaker 3: from the rest of the world, but in fact it's

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Speaker 3: the globe, and people forget that. In America, they still

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Speaker 3: have a flat out society. It's called TV. But the

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Speaker 3: shortest route from southern China to Brazil is if you

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Speaker 3: fly and land in Auckland and head off to Salpulo.

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Speaker 3: But as at the moment, no planes go there. And

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to encourage it to happen because the trade

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Speaker 3: between Brazil and China is four hundred and ninety billion.

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Speaker 1: We want to cut of that.

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Speaker 3: And if it comes through here, even if we only

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Speaker 3: get one percent of it, which we would do easily enough,

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Speaker 3: probably I'm looking at four or five percent of it.

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Speaker 3: One percent of it doubles the Auckland GDP. That's how

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Speaker 3: big this stuff is. And it's the sort of stuff

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Speaker 3: that I'm kind of in a unique position to probably

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Speaker 3: make it happen more than the government will, because the

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Speaker 3: government sort of a half pay aware of that, but

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Speaker 3: then be handed and a whole bunch of civil servants

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Speaker 3: in Willington nothing ever happens. And I know Brazil pretty well.

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Speaker 3: I've been going there for a long time, start off

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Speaker 3: wrote a book called a five Minute Mba, which was

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Speaker 3: So and I gave a copy of that to the

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Speaker 3: And then in China, I've been going there for a

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Speaker 3: long time with business, my own businesses and other ones,

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Speaker 3: so I know how to behave in both of those ones.

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Speaker 3: I've led business delegations to China, I've led them downe

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Speaker 3: to you, and now I've led one to Brazil, so

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Speaker 3: I know how to put the stuff together. The council,

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Speaker 3: we spend a whole lot of money on business development,

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Speaker 3: which doesn't develop any business at all. We've built a

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Speaker 3: television studio. We can't get rid of that lost money.

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Speaker 3: My predecessor did that. I wouldn't do stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: How confident are you that you're going to get that

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm quite confident because I've now got an airline.

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Speaker 3: China Southern are quite keen to do this at the moment.

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Speaker 3: If you go from if you want to go to Brazil,

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Speaker 3: it takes a long time and it's uncomfortable as momenteering,

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Speaker 4: You can't even get on the damn things. So there's

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Speaker 3: We have five Chinese airlines flying into Auckland anyhow, and

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Speaker 2: In terms of like having conversations with Chinese investors as well.

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Speaker 5: Peter says, China is New Zealand's most important and complex

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Speaker 5: by lateral relationship. It's ten years since New Zealand signed

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Speaker 5: a comprehensive strategic partnership with China. Since then, It's exports

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Speaker 6: China stands ready to work with New Zealand on the

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Speaker 6: basis and mutual respect, mutual benefit, none interference in each

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Speaker 2: Maybe they can help pay for transport here, Wayne, Wasn't

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Speaker 2: the government's three year budget for transport in Auckland about

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Speaker 2: five hundred and sixty four million dollars less than you

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was, and we've kind of adjusted. We've believe

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Speaker 3: they are sharing because I've got control of the fine

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Speaker 3: other cities. And that's despite the fact that I wanted

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Speaker 3: into a three hundred and seventy five million dollar lost

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Speaker 3: carefully concealed by my predecessor. So we're in quite good

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Speaker 3: order in that part of it there. And also there

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Speaker 3: is nearly two hundred thousand Chinese in Auckland, and.

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Speaker 4: A lot of them come from Guangzhou.

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Speaker 3: And we've got a thirty five year sister city arrangement

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Speaker 3: should respect these relationships. They're very important. And in China,

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Speaker 3: mayors of big stuff and I'm shijan Or mayor of

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Speaker 3: the largest in New Zealand, and that will be treated

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Speaker 3: with a fever to respect in China. And so you

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Speaker 3: can sometimes open doors. Even in Brazil, I was able

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Speaker 3: to meet the Vice President of the region and some

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Speaker 3: other people that did. In fact, the Minister of Foreign Trade.

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Speaker 3: He's a bloody good miniSTR. I've got to say I'll

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Speaker 3: get on well with Todd McLay. But he went to

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Speaker 3: some other things and I went to some things, different things,

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Speaker 3: and then we come to other and work together and

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Speaker 3: we're kind of and so there's a certain technique in

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Speaker 3: being comfortable in places like China and Brazil. It's a

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Speaker 3: bit like you get used to being on a Maria.

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Speaker 3: who don't know what to do and China and Brazil

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Speaker 3: have their own behaviors and I'm comfortable with them. And

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Speaker 3: I speak hard in any words of Portuguese, despite the

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Speaker 3: fact that we got a book there. But I do

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Speaker 3: speak about of Chinese, not a lot, but enough. When

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Speaker 4: All of that stuff is relationship building.

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Speaker 3: Thirty five years of being involved with Ganjo, our city,

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Speaker 3: Shanghai city. I know quite well the Shanghai Import, export,

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Speaker 3: getting this flow between here and South America. And it's

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Speaker 3: also just using my contacts and doors that I open

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Speaker 3: to benefit those businesses that come with you. Like in Brazil.

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Speaker 3: We visited a firm there which is getting into aerospace,

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to put them together with Zeno back

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Speaker 3: here because they can be complementary. Everyone doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: If we look back at Auckland, I wanted to talk

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Speaker 2: terms of ten point six million dollars needed for the

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Speaker 2: broken pedestrian footbridge and the viaduct. A is it going

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Speaker 2: mismanagement by ek Pinuku it'd bit.

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Speaker 3: To be bloody open by Christmas. You'd have to say

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Speaker 3: it hasn't been well managed over a period of time.

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Speaker 3: But on the other hand, we have had it in

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Speaker 3: Auckland of there's nothing so permanent as something called temporary,

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Speaker 3: and that was a temporary one built years ago and

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Speaker 3: it became permanent. They should have been thinking about that

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Speaker 3: rusting a bit. Similarly, if you go down to Princess Wharfa,

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Speaker 4: Years and still there.

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Speaker 3: And so we've got to get in the habit of

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Speaker 3: if somebody is going to be temporary, we should finish

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Speaker 3: we've got them to put in a temporary little ferry

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Speaker 3: that goes back because in force and I was down

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Speaker 3: the ferry.

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Speaker 4: We don't have the bridge now, so what's cheaper?

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Speaker 3: You saying, well, the fairy's cheaper. But we've got them.

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Speaker 3: They're doing the bridge. We're quite good at moaning as

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Speaker 2: Or talking about CCO is what's the plan there?

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Speaker 1: When are we getting rid of them?

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Speaker 3: Last year would have been a good time. I can't

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Speaker 3: to bring the government with me.

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Speaker 4: AT which is a very widely disliked.

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Speaker 3: Organization and has adopted a very independent culture because it

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Speaker 7: In his own blestering letter to transport bosses, Wayne Ground

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Speaker 3: What's driving one of my actions here is that I

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Speaker 3: don't mind being criticized for things that I've actually done wrong.

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Speaker 4: But I'm fed up.

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Speaker 3: I've being criticized for things that I don't have much

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Speaker 3: of this and some of the other things they're doing.

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Speaker 3: The CEO reform was one of the things that was

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Speaker 3: right at the top of the things I campaigned on,

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Speaker 3: and so people liked it. I went to three hundred

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Speaker 4: As they are.

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Speaker 3: And so we have a lot of I don't like duplication,

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Speaker 3: but we're not any duplication. We have triplication. We have

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Speaker 3: quadruplication in some places. Everybody does events and in fact

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Speaker 3: the best events aren't even done by any of those

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Speaker 3: parts and pieces of the last Saturday I joined fifteen

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Speaker 3: of Ada who for the Oda Who Food Festival, which

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Speaker 3: half of the people on the council demon I was

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Speaker 3: on and it's the biggest food festival in the country.

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Speaker 3: They sold one hundred and twenty different food stalls months

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Speaker 3: before it happened. I just sold that snap overnight. Every

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Speaker 3: food person wanted to be there and it was fantastic.

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Speaker 2: So with this CCO plan, have you got a timeline

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Speaker 2: or what kind of mechanisms do you have to work through? First?

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Speaker 1: Who you need to get on board to make that happen.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I have to get on board

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Speaker 3: the councilors that we need to do something about it,

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Speaker 3: and they are on board. We've got them on board encouragement,

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Speaker 3: but they are with regard to AT I do need

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Speaker 3: the government to work with me because it does have

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Speaker 3: a statutory position.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of Auckland transport, you haven't seen these figures,

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Speaker 2: but OIA figures released to Newstalk zb's Michael Sergel shows

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Speaker 2: that there were ninety three incidents a week on Auckland's

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Speaker 2: public transport in the year to August. That's an average

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Speaker 2: of thirteen a day, and in August alone, on one

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Speaker 2: train network alone, at reported twenty three assaults, nine robberies

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Speaker 2: or thefts.

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Speaker 1: Is that good enough?

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Speaker 4: You want the real rus to do more? No?

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Speaker 3: The question you meant is that bad enough, and it

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Speaker 3: is really bad, but it's a reflection of society is

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Speaker 3: just getting worse behaved everywhere. I mean, we've had people

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Speaker 3: shot and Ponsonby of all places, and badly at is reflecting.

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Speaker 4: What's going on outside everywhere.

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Speaker 3: We've got lots and lots of people catch the bus

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Speaker 3: until the driver the stuff off. You know, I'm going

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Speaker 3: to bash it. I'm not paying, you know, and you

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Speaker 3: think not good. So it just reflects society. Reading the

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Speaker 3: paper today, that's an enormous number of children went at

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Speaker 3: school last month. They're not going to grow up to

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Speaker 3: be doctors and engineers.

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Speaker 1: And it is Auckland a safe city, do you reckon well?

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Speaker 4: And relatively safe, you know.

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Speaker 3: I have just been to South Paulo and they took

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Speaker 3: me around in an arm and Range rover with it's

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Speaker 3: the bulletpro windows.

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Speaker 4: But it's not as safe as I would like it

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Speaker 4: to be.

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Speaker 7: Probably not that safe when I'm alone.

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Speaker 2: I'm not too bad when I'm with friends and stuff,

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Speaker 2: but it's probably kind of getting a bit worse over

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Speaker 2: there is.

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Speaker 6: Differently, when it gets past into dark, I do find

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Speaker 6: it a wee bit kind of looking over my shoulder

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Speaker 6: sometimes and there's always a few characters around, but I

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Speaker 6: generally find it really safe.

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Speaker 2: Lastly, I wanted just to do some quick fires with you, Mayor,

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Speaker 2: just because I know that you need to get packing

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Speaker 2: your bags first off.

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Speaker 1: Just yes or nose or really quickly.

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Speaker 2: When's the open air saltwater swimming pool opening at the viaduct?

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Speaker 4: Well, if that doesn't open and the same role, be

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Speaker 4: really annoyed.

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Speaker 1: You'll be annoyed. When's I want to.

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Speaker 4: Swimm and that by the time the water's warm.

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Speaker 1: When is Auckland getting a bed tax?

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Speaker 4: Asked Minister Doocey.

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Speaker 1: Are you running in next year's local election?

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Speaker 3: As distinct possibility but not saying this or no?

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Speaker 4: Just it?

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Speaker 1: And lastly is Wellington Council of shambles Well?

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Speaker 3: I haven't been too willing to look at it, but

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Speaker 3: everything and I'm here is that it leaves a lot

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Speaker 3: to be desired from what I understand.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Mayor.

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Speaker 2: That's it for this episode of the Front Page. You

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Speaker 2: is produced by Ethan Seles with sound engineer Paddy Fox.

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