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Speaker 3: into the Saturday edition of Weekend Sport on News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: November fifteenth, Happy twenty ninth birthday to the world's second

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Speaker 3: best halfback and twan duo point. Speaking of halfbacks, Happy

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Speaker 3: fifty eighth to twenty seven game All Black's utility John Preston,

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Speaker 3: but a half back for the first five. Happy birthday, JP.

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Speaker 3: One of our truly great Test batsman, Stewie Dempster was

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Speaker 3: I'm Jason Pineshow producer Any mcdowe. We're talking sport until

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Speaker 3: three penultimate All Black's Test of the year tomorrow morning,

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Speaker 3: potentially one of the most important ten past four New

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Speaker 3: Former England international Thomas Waldram after one. Lots of time

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Speaker 3: for your calls and predictions as well. This feels almost

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Speaker 3: fifty to fifty to me. What swings it our way

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Speaker 3: or their way? Rugby after one Today? First up though

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Speaker 3: cricket and specifically our domestic T twenty competition moves are

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Speaker 3: underway to investigate how domestic T twenty cricket might be

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Speaker 3: better prepare our players for international T twenty cricket. One

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Speaker 3: similar to what exists in most other Tier IE cricket nations.

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Speaker 3: Former black Caps and Northern Districts all round to Anton

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Speaker 3: Devsitch is going to chat to us shortly then, I

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Speaker 3: am very very keen to chew this over with you.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it time for us to take this leap other

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Speaker 3: matters around today? Alan Bunting departing as Black Ferns coach.

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Speaker 3: This was announced yesterday New Zealand Rugby's General manager of

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Speaker 3: of elite women, what about Emma Twig. She is on

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Speaker 3: MB moves are underway to investigate how domestic T twenty

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Speaker 3: Cricket have asked consultants Deloitte to analyze potential options for

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Speaker 3: the future of twenty twenty cricket in this country. Among

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Speaker 3: Big Bash competition, or a refresh and reinvigoration of our

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Speaker 3: current Super Smash competition. All Rounder Anton Devsitch enjoyed a

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Speaker 3: is with us. Anton. Thanks for your time this afternoon.

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Speaker 3: First of all, does our domestic T twenty comp need

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Speaker 5: It's a tough one.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think it's quality of the games and

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Speaker 3: What's your view on the super Smash and how good

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it has its place.

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Speaker 2: We're a little bit shouted by that.

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Speaker 6: We're very traditional with the way we play the game

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Speaker 6: I think, I think it prepares players, but not necessarily

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Speaker 3: What a franchise based T twenty league in New Zealand work, you.

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Speaker 7: Are, Oh, I'm not entirely sure.

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Speaker 8: So I'm not sure how valuable it would.

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Speaker 6: and it just it would also depend on how they

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Speaker 6: how many of you allowed all those types of things.

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Speaker 3: By the sounds of one of the proposals or the

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Speaker 6: With the quality players being with them coming to the competition,

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Speaker 6: They're not going to come for small money like they

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Speaker 3: And outside of the money, how attractive a proposition do

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Speaker 6: Oh, absolutely, you know that that's a huge attraction. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: no one ever says a bad word about their time

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Speaker 6: You can kind of escape and do normal things without

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Speaker 6: You know, there would be an element of doing that

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Speaker 6: Not particularly, particularly when you had to New Zealand Cricket.

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Speaker 2: It's it's high, high.

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Speaker 6: Level, high stress, and it's quite anomational journey to be fair,

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Speaker 3: And you know, obviously there's going to be a lot

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's just a variety, the variety of

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Speaker 6: just trying to pick up the different varieties, you know,

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Speaker 6: As I said, like these domestic players tend to play

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Speaker 6: I think I think that's one of the big things

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Speaker 6: and hopefully it attracts.

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Speaker 3: What's your view on the concept of a New Zealand

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Speaker 6: Well, it's always been It's always been talked about, isn't it.

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Speaker 6: I mean, for me, the Big Bashes was one of

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Speaker 9: like if they're going to make some I think the

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Speaker 9: super Smash is probably an opportunity to maybe get some investment,

434
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Speaker 9: sell them off whatever. There's not much to get going

435
00:25:37,467 --> 00:25:39,867
Speaker 9: for it at the moment, but we've got a little

436
00:25:40,507 --> 00:25:46,147
Speaker 9: time slot piety, right, So where between the two hours

437
00:25:46,187 --> 00:25:49,027
Speaker 9: ahead of Bussie? So I suppose in the world would

438
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Speaker 9: be the first cricket that people could see. And we

439
00:25:51,467 --> 00:25:54,507
Speaker 9: know there's you know, probably two billion people that love

440
00:25:54,547 --> 00:25:59,147
Speaker 9: watching cricket. So I'm talking really TV here and commercials

441
00:25:59,147 --> 00:26:03,147
Speaker 9: and international rights. So if we're selling it off, if

442
00:26:03,147 --> 00:26:06,827
Speaker 9: we're selling off the broadcast, if we're getting international class

443
00:26:06,827 --> 00:26:11,187
Speaker 9: that other people watch, I feel like then there's an

444
00:26:11,187 --> 00:26:15,587
Speaker 9: opportunity to you know, make some money out of this

445
00:26:15,667 --> 00:26:16,947
Speaker 9: comp Just.

446
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Speaker 3: As just for clarification, this wouldn't be a New Zealand

447
00:26:20,227 --> 00:26:23,907
Speaker 3: Cricket competition. This would be a privately run competition. So

448
00:26:24,307 --> 00:26:28,387
Speaker 3: New Zealand Cricket themselves would not financially benefit from this

449
00:26:28,507 --> 00:26:29,547
Speaker 3: T twenty competition.

450
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Speaker 9: Oh hmm, okay, now then wait, no, I want to

451
00:26:38,067 --> 00:26:39,547
Speaker 9: I want us to get something out of it.

452
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Speaker 3: Well, the major Association, the major associations would so, so

453
00:26:44,787 --> 00:26:48,707
Speaker 3: the six major associations would have a stake in the competition.

454
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Speaker 3: This is how I understand it would work. They would

455
00:26:50,867 --> 00:26:53,587
Speaker 3: take a stake in the competition and money would be

456
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Speaker 3: fed back through the competition to them to invest in

457
00:26:57,787 --> 00:27:01,027
Speaker 3: their patch. So at the moment, at the moment, seventy

458
00:27:01,107 --> 00:27:04,227
Speaker 3: percent of the revenue for our major association, so I'm

459
00:27:04,267 --> 00:27:06,787
Speaker 3: sure you know this comes from New Zealand Cricket. So

460
00:27:06,867 --> 00:27:09,307
Speaker 3: this would be a different revenue stream for the major

461
00:27:09,347 --> 00:27:13,027
Speaker 3: associations for them to invest back into their grassroots game.

462
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Speaker 9: Okay, yeah, look, I think you in our market they've

463
00:27:19,507 --> 00:27:22,707
Speaker 9: gone India, rundser. I think you look for look for

464
00:27:22,827 --> 00:27:24,627
Speaker 9: ways to make money where you can, and you know,

465
00:27:25,267 --> 00:27:30,987
Speaker 9: our economy at the moment, As long as they do

466
00:27:31,027 --> 00:27:33,107
Speaker 9: it right and we get what we can get out

467
00:27:33,147 --> 00:27:35,867
Speaker 9: of the tools of our players and whatnot, and maybe

468
00:27:35,907 --> 00:27:39,467
Speaker 9: get a bit more star quality, I don't see too

469
00:27:39,587 --> 00:27:41,627
Speaker 9: much wrong with it. As long as they're not shafted,

470
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Speaker 9: that would be my take.

471
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a fair enough take. No one wants

472
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Speaker 3: to be shafted. If we put ourselves as fans in

473
00:27:49,387 --> 00:27:51,347
Speaker 3: this conversation, what do we want to see. We want

474
00:27:51,387 --> 00:27:53,667
Speaker 3: to see exciting cricket, regardless of the format. I mean,

475
00:27:53,707 --> 00:27:55,707
Speaker 3: you and I turn up to watch a blanket hill game,

476
00:27:55,747 --> 00:27:58,107
Speaker 3: you know, But we're cricket tragics. If we're looking at

477
00:27:58,147 --> 00:28:00,587
Speaker 3: the if we're looking at a you know, a discretionary fan.

478
00:28:01,267 --> 00:28:03,227
Speaker 3: You know, they may not turn up to a super

479
00:28:03,227 --> 00:28:05,467
Speaker 3: smash game, but if they know that there's a you know,

480
00:28:05,507 --> 00:28:08,147
Speaker 3: there's a game where there's some international star power and

481
00:28:08,187 --> 00:28:10,347
Speaker 3: there's a bit of glitz and a bit of pizazz

482
00:28:10,467 --> 00:28:13,227
Speaker 3: wrapped around it, that may well attract them. So all

483
00:28:13,267 --> 00:28:16,347
Speaker 3: of a sudden, the ticket revenue is coming, the competition

484
00:28:16,467 --> 00:28:19,467
Speaker 3: is successful, and that money flows back. So I guess

485
00:28:19,507 --> 00:28:22,827
Speaker 3: that would be the ideal landscape for this.

486
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Speaker 9: Yeah, and I think that the timing is everything right.

487
00:28:27,427 --> 00:28:29,547
Speaker 9: And I don't know who these Indian investors are, but

488
00:28:29,947 --> 00:28:33,147
Speaker 9: this SAT twenty and JAM which would sort of be

489
00:28:33,187 --> 00:28:37,827
Speaker 9: our prime window then IPL, right, so and obvious stand

490
00:28:37,867 --> 00:28:40,547
Speaker 9: the IPL. Maybe it's the I don't know, I don't

491
00:28:40,587 --> 00:28:42,707
Speaker 9: know what the details or who owns the franchises and

492
00:28:42,987 --> 00:28:47,667
Speaker 9: SAT twenty, but yeah, we're just got to make sure

493
00:28:48,387 --> 00:28:50,627
Speaker 9: it stacks up, you know. And it's not just like

494
00:28:50,667 --> 00:28:53,467
Speaker 9: a mini cricket version of R three sixty where everyone

495
00:28:53,467 --> 00:28:55,107
Speaker 9: thinks how does this work? And how does it actually

496
00:28:55,147 --> 00:28:58,387
Speaker 9: make money. I think that's the due diligence piny before

497
00:28:58,427 --> 00:29:00,187
Speaker 9: we sign some contracts.

498
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Speaker 3: Good Man about a Hama, always good to chat to

499
00:29:02,387 --> 00:29:04,867
Speaker 3: you mate. Yeah. Look, I think we have the blueprint.

500
00:29:04,987 --> 00:29:09,107
Speaker 3: I mean the SA twenty, the Caribbean Premier League, the

501
00:29:09,147 --> 00:29:14,787
Speaker 3: West Indies competition is very successful. The one caveat is

502
00:29:14,787 --> 00:29:18,467
Speaker 3: that it has affected the Test team in the West Indies.

503
00:29:18,947 --> 00:29:22,027
Speaker 3: That is one thing it has definitely done. With so

504
00:29:22,107 --> 00:29:26,827
Speaker 3: many West Indian players now focusing almost entirely on T twenty,

505
00:29:27,467 --> 00:29:32,907
Speaker 3: their Test team has suffered as a result, which again

506
00:29:34,387 --> 00:29:36,667
Speaker 3: leads back to what I said before about creating T

507
00:29:36,667 --> 00:29:41,747
Speaker 3: twenty specialists. I think it's important that we have. You know,

508
00:29:41,787 --> 00:29:43,907
Speaker 3: there's been talking the past about splitting the coaches. I

509
00:29:43,987 --> 00:29:46,907
Speaker 3: just feel as though you need to have fewer all

510
00:29:46,987 --> 00:29:49,307
Speaker 3: format players. Yes, there are going to be different you know,

511
00:29:49,307 --> 00:29:51,947
Speaker 3: there are going to be exceptions. Rich and Ravendra will

512
00:29:51,987 --> 00:29:55,107
Speaker 3: always be an all format cricketer for US, just as

513
00:29:55,187 --> 00:30:03,507
Speaker 3: Travis Headers for Australia. But having half a dozen players

514
00:30:03,507 --> 00:30:05,867
Speaker 3: who play all three formats for US as I'm not

515
00:30:05,907 --> 00:30:09,667
Speaker 3: sure that the way of the future. Hy Glenn.

516
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Speaker 8: You get that point. If it's aligned with the IPL,

517
00:30:14,347 --> 00:30:18,507
Speaker 8: I think it would be brilliant because you'd make way

518
00:30:18,507 --> 00:30:20,867
Speaker 8: more money out of TV, right, because you did, some

519
00:30:21,027 --> 00:30:24,467
Speaker 8: Indian stars come across and start playing, and the Indians

520
00:30:24,467 --> 00:30:26,387
Speaker 8: are cunning enough to know they don't generally do well

521
00:30:26,427 --> 00:30:29,707
Speaker 8: when they tour here, so they start playing games then

522
00:30:29,787 --> 00:30:31,947
Speaker 8: New Zealand conditions, they'll get better when they do too here.

523
00:30:32,067 --> 00:30:34,507
Speaker 8: So yeah, I think you could be some synergies there.

524
00:30:34,507 --> 00:30:37,627
Speaker 8: And look, one thing about the Super Smash is it

525
00:30:37,667 --> 00:30:41,307
Speaker 8: does actually prepare airplayers pretty well because we give a

526
00:30:41,347 --> 00:30:44,467
Speaker 8: good international T twenty side with very limited resources. So

527
00:30:44,827 --> 00:30:46,587
Speaker 8: you know, I throw out the baby with the bath order.

528
00:30:47,107 --> 00:30:50,067
Speaker 8: But yeah, I think a little bit of investment wouldn't

529
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Speaker 8: be a bad option.

530
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I guess a franchise league wouldn't wouldn't make

531
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Speaker 3: it worse, I don't think, Glenn, because what you have

532
00:30:59,507 --> 00:31:02,947
Speaker 3: is largely the same group of players as are playing now,

533
00:31:03,467 --> 00:31:07,067
Speaker 3: but with a sprinkling of of what I say, three

534
00:31:07,107 --> 00:31:09,987
Speaker 3: per team, so eighteen international players in there.

535
00:31:10,067 --> 00:31:13,147
Speaker 8: So so long as long as that, as long as

536
00:31:13,187 --> 00:31:15,627
Speaker 8: I have big notice. So Indian oise to the thing

537
00:31:15,627 --> 00:31:16,987
Speaker 8: is she makes money, because you're not going to make

538
00:31:16,987 --> 00:31:18,267
Speaker 8: money out of New Zealand. You got to make money

539
00:31:18,267 --> 00:31:18,707
Speaker 8: out of the India.

540
00:31:19,427 --> 00:31:22,147
Speaker 3: Correct, correct, but then also that it's but it's also

541
00:31:22,187 --> 00:31:25,027
Speaker 3: the ticket revenue, Glenn. You know people coming to games

542
00:31:25,187 --> 00:31:27,467
Speaker 3: because they want to see these players.

543
00:31:27,467 --> 00:31:29,707
Speaker 8: That's a part drink. You're only going to get probably

544
00:31:30,107 --> 00:31:31,867
Speaker 8: turn a half to the other people, and they will

545
00:31:31,907 --> 00:31:34,107
Speaker 8: not pay for they're in the say weg or whoever.

546
00:31:34,867 --> 00:31:37,027
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying our ticket revenue itself is are

547
00:31:37,027 --> 00:31:39,067
Speaker 3: going to do it, mate, But I still think there's

548
00:31:39,107 --> 00:31:43,507
Speaker 3: a aspirational, you know idea. There's an idea that you

549
00:31:43,547 --> 00:31:46,427
Speaker 3: could Why couldn't we have five or six thousand turning

550
00:31:46,467 --> 00:31:49,347
Speaker 3: up at the basin or turning up at in Queenstown

551
00:31:49,467 --> 00:31:50,147
Speaker 3: or at day Oval.

552
00:31:50,387 --> 00:31:53,107
Speaker 8: There's no there's no tribalism in cricket. There isn't rugby,

553
00:31:53,147 --> 00:31:55,747
Speaker 8: but not in cricket, but you could create it. I

554
00:31:55,827 --> 00:31:57,347
Speaker 8: got to go now, I go on to Glenn.

555
00:31:57,387 --> 00:32:00,307
Speaker 3: I got to chet to your mate. Drive safe, let's

556
00:32:00,707 --> 00:32:03,267
Speaker 3: just keep going. Lots on text. I'll get to if

557
00:32:03,267 --> 00:32:04,107
Speaker 3: I can Chris high.

558
00:32:05,067 --> 00:32:10,187
Speaker 4: Yeah, hydration, Look a couple of things, you know f

559
00:32:10,267 --> 00:32:13,667
Speaker 4: Kiwi's we're not we're not used to seeing cricket start

560
00:32:13,747 --> 00:32:16,067
Speaker 4: like I did this year. But you know in October

561
00:32:16,107 --> 00:32:19,867
Speaker 4: there's a twenty twenty World Cup. But given well, actually

562
00:32:19,867 --> 00:32:21,227
Speaker 4: you know, I don't know why they started. Well they

563
00:32:21,227 --> 00:32:24,747
Speaker 4: had to start in October, but because usually worth a

564
00:32:24,787 --> 00:32:27,467
Speaker 4: month of weather in New Zealand. But given given hadn't

565
00:32:27,507 --> 00:32:32,507
Speaker 4: been the weather, the crowds were pretty good, weren't they.

566
00:32:34,227 --> 00:32:36,147
Speaker 3: So the are you talking about for the international stuff?

567
00:32:36,227 --> 00:32:38,307
Speaker 4: Chris, Yes, the anaction we've just had with England, you know,

568
00:32:38,347 --> 00:32:40,987
Speaker 4: with England Australia and which I mean apart from Auckland

569
00:32:41,067 --> 00:32:43,707
Speaker 4: where it was absolutely dumb. Decis have played at m Park.

570
00:32:45,547 --> 00:32:48,587
Speaker 4: But apart from Auckland, the crowds were pretty good.

571
00:32:49,587 --> 00:32:49,827
Speaker 9: Yeah.

572
00:32:49,867 --> 00:32:52,627
Speaker 3: And and but that again, that was international cricket. I

573
00:32:52,627 --> 00:32:54,867
Speaker 3: think cricket fans are always going to turn up to

574
00:32:54,867 --> 00:32:58,227
Speaker 3: watch US play Australia, US play England's US play India,

575
00:32:58,267 --> 00:33:00,587
Speaker 3: US play anybody. Probably the crowds have been pretty good

576
00:33:00,587 --> 00:33:03,107
Speaker 3: for the West Indies. I guess what we're talking about

577
00:33:03,107 --> 00:33:06,827
Speaker 3: here is our domestic competition and the dwindling numbers that

578
00:33:06,867 --> 00:33:10,107
Speaker 3: are attending even in the right in the heart of summer,

579
00:33:10,147 --> 00:33:13,107
Speaker 3: where which is where I Super Smash is in January.

580
00:33:13,147 --> 00:33:14,587
Speaker 3: If you're going to tune up at any time of

581
00:33:14,587 --> 00:33:16,707
Speaker 3: the ear to watch cricket. You do it in January

582
00:33:17,067 --> 00:33:19,347
Speaker 3: and it just doesn't happening at the moment.

583
00:33:20,027 --> 00:33:23,107
Speaker 4: No, no, I agree, and even February mass But but

584
00:33:23,147 --> 00:33:26,107
Speaker 4: they're bringing me to my next point. Piney, like the

585
00:33:26,787 --> 00:33:30,587
Speaker 4: Caribbean haven't got haven't you know, just put the islands up,

586
00:33:30,587 --> 00:33:34,667
Speaker 4: haven't got the population that we've got. But clearly they've

587
00:33:34,667 --> 00:33:36,027
Speaker 4: manatually get some pretty good sponsorship.

588
00:33:36,107 --> 00:33:36,507
Speaker 8: Is that right?

589
00:33:38,227 --> 00:33:39,107
Speaker 4: I'm going to run that thing.

590
00:33:40,627 --> 00:33:42,467
Speaker 3: I I don't know for sure.

591
00:33:44,267 --> 00:33:48,307
Speaker 4: Because I'm I'm sorry, you know, you're sorry.

592
00:33:48,227 --> 00:33:50,787
Speaker 3: No, no, you carry on, Sorry I interrupted you. My apologies.

593
00:33:51,347 --> 00:33:56,627
Speaker 4: I'm surprised. But therefore New Zealand, where we're all one ireland,

594
00:33:56,707 --> 00:34:01,867
Speaker 4: not five, not five islands like the West Indies, do

595
00:34:01,987 --> 00:34:05,307
Speaker 4: they need to really hunt around for sponsorship and try

596
00:34:05,307 --> 00:34:09,027
Speaker 4: and run something. You know, it gets get a league

597
00:34:09,027 --> 00:34:09,467
Speaker 4: going here?

598
00:34:09,627 --> 00:34:10,027
Speaker 5: Is that all?

599
00:34:10,067 --> 00:34:12,147
Speaker 4: Or do you think do you think we're too small?

600
00:34:12,587 --> 00:34:12,747
Speaker 2: Oh?

601
00:34:12,787 --> 00:34:15,307
Speaker 3: No, no, you're talking about having a franchise league here

602
00:34:15,307 --> 00:34:17,027
Speaker 3: in New Zealand. That's exactly what I think we should

603
00:34:17,027 --> 00:34:19,307
Speaker 3: be doing. That's exactly what I think we should be doing.

604
00:34:20,507 --> 00:34:22,747
Speaker 3: I think if we stay with the way things are,

605
00:34:22,827 --> 00:34:26,667
Speaker 3: we're missing a trick. There's an opportunity here to reimagine

606
00:34:27,147 --> 00:34:30,827
Speaker 3: domestic T twenty cricket here in New Zealand. And there

607
00:34:30,827 --> 00:34:33,827
Speaker 3: are any number of reasons where people say no, no, no, no, no,

608
00:34:34,067 --> 00:34:35,947
Speaker 3: we don't do that. No, not for us, not for us, No,

609
00:34:36,027 --> 00:34:38,587
Speaker 3: thanks mate, not for us, mate. There's any number of

610
00:34:38,587 --> 00:34:40,947
Speaker 3: reasons to not do something. There are a lot of

611
00:34:40,987 --> 00:34:44,467
Speaker 3: good reasons to do it. Thanks for your call, Chris,

612
00:34:44,587 --> 00:34:46,707
Speaker 3: seventeen away from one back with more of your calls

613
00:34:46,707 --> 00:34:47,107
Speaker 3: after this.

614
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615
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616
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Speaker 3: Thirteen away from one Brettan. This is on text. Major

617
00:34:59,827 --> 00:35:02,627
Speaker 3: Associations will feed the money back into the area. Yeah right,

618
00:35:02,667 --> 00:35:05,467
Speaker 3: that money we'll just go to paying the pro players

619
00:35:05,507 --> 00:35:08,907
Speaker 3: more will bring it won't because the major Associations won't

620
00:35:08,907 --> 00:35:11,707
Speaker 3: be in charge of paying the players. The players were

621
00:35:11,787 --> 00:35:15,147
Speaker 3: paid by the franchise owners, so each of the six

622
00:35:15,187 --> 00:35:19,707
Speaker 3: teams will be owned by somebody or a consortium of somebodies.

623
00:35:20,107 --> 00:35:24,547
Speaker 3: They will pay the players. The Major Associations Northern District

624
00:35:24,547 --> 00:35:27,747
Speaker 3: CD Auckland, Otago, Canterbury Wellington will have a stake in

625
00:35:27,787 --> 00:35:32,707
Speaker 3: the competition, not in the teams. So the money that

626
00:35:32,787 --> 00:35:37,027
Speaker 3: the major associations get doesn't go back into the team.

627
00:35:37,827 --> 00:35:42,587
Speaker 3: It's money they get having taken a stake in the competition.

628
00:35:43,067 --> 00:35:45,267
Speaker 3: I hope that's I hope that makes it clear.

629
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Speaker 10: Bruce Hi, they're good a mate. Yeah, I'm sort of

630
00:35:49,667 --> 00:35:52,587
Speaker 10: loosely related, but it's not really on your subject. But

631
00:35:53,067 --> 00:35:56,827
Speaker 10: regarding cricket, and I'm not I mean, cricket's not my

632
00:35:57,107 --> 00:36:01,427
Speaker 10: main sport, but I love Test cricket, but I cannot

633
00:36:01,467 --> 00:36:06,547
Speaker 10: stand Team twenty and I just think that cricket as

634
00:36:06,547 --> 00:36:11,627
Speaker 10: a sport needs to have a real rethink about their

635
00:36:11,907 --> 00:36:17,307
Speaker 10: entire sport because to me, there's all these meaningless T

636
00:36:17,307 --> 00:36:23,387
Speaker 10: twenty franchise competition popping up around the world, and that,

637
00:36:24,547 --> 00:36:26,907
Speaker 10: to me is the main problem with cricket at the

638
00:36:26,987 --> 00:36:30,907
Speaker 10: moment is you've got all these competitions happening, but they

639
00:36:30,987 --> 00:36:35,467
Speaker 10: don't mean anything, Like no one really cares, you know,

640
00:36:35,787 --> 00:36:39,907
Speaker 10: apart from maybe the cricket tragic in a particular country,

641
00:36:40,547 --> 00:36:44,827
Speaker 10: but like whoever wins the Indian Premier League or the

642
00:36:46,267 --> 00:36:49,747
Speaker 10: League in America or the League in the West, there's

643
00:36:49,787 --> 00:36:56,467
Speaker 10: no historical significance in the results and like until cricket

644
00:36:56,547 --> 00:37:01,547
Speaker 10: comes up with something, you know, like the Ashes means something,

645
00:37:02,347 --> 00:37:07,067
Speaker 10: and that means something to people who are real sport fanatics,

646
00:37:07,467 --> 00:37:11,787
Speaker 10: and I'll be watching the Asses, But like T twenty

647
00:37:11,867 --> 00:37:15,587
Speaker 10: is like no one really cares, and like until they

648
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Speaker 10: come up with something that grips a population and mean something.

649
00:37:22,467 --> 00:37:24,947
Speaker 10: I just think that you you know, like I just

650
00:37:24,947 --> 00:37:26,267
Speaker 10: don't see a future for it.

651
00:37:27,347 --> 00:37:29,667
Speaker 3: Yeah, I brews a couple of things. I think that

652
00:37:29,787 --> 00:37:32,707
Speaker 3: horse has bolted. I think cricket tragics like you and I,

653
00:37:32,987 --> 00:37:35,707
Speaker 3: who would quite happily watch every single delivery of an

654
00:37:35,747 --> 00:37:38,587
Speaker 3: ASHES Test or a New Zealand Test series or whatever

655
00:37:38,627 --> 00:37:42,107
Speaker 3: it was, I think we are. We are dwindling in number,

656
00:37:42,227 --> 00:37:45,467
Speaker 3: which is sad in itself. But I don't think T

657
00:37:45,467 --> 00:37:50,427
Speaker 3: twenty and particularly the franchise leagues, really care too much

658
00:37:50,467 --> 00:37:54,387
Speaker 3: about creating a history. They're there for an event and

659
00:37:54,427 --> 00:37:59,907
Speaker 3: they are effectively, you know, entertainment products. Rather than than

660
00:38:00,027 --> 00:38:02,427
Speaker 3: something that you and I has died in the Wall

661
00:38:02,787 --> 00:38:06,227
Speaker 3: Test cricket fans would probably prefer. However, what it has

662
00:38:06,467 --> 00:38:11,067
Speaker 3: done is injected a mountain of cash into the game,

663
00:38:11,587 --> 00:38:15,027
Speaker 3: and that is attractive for the players, players who previously

664
00:38:15,067 --> 00:38:18,627
Speaker 3: didn't have the ability to earn the eye watering sums

665
00:38:18,627 --> 00:38:22,787
Speaker 3: of money they do now now can and therefore the

666
00:38:22,907 --> 00:38:24,827
Speaker 3: Juggernaut's only going to get bigger.

667
00:38:24,587 --> 00:38:30,307
Speaker 11: Mate, But do you think that that sustainable. It's sustainable

668
00:38:30,347 --> 00:38:34,187
Speaker 11: in India because they've got such a massive population. But

669
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Speaker 11: if you have a sport that just relies on entertainment

670
00:38:38,387 --> 00:38:43,987
Speaker 11: but there's no lasting historical significance to the results that

671
00:38:44,387 --> 00:38:47,347
Speaker 11: really captures a fan base to really get behind a

672
00:38:47,387 --> 00:38:50,867
Speaker 11: particular team, how long do you think that will last.

673
00:38:51,387 --> 00:38:54,227
Speaker 3: It's a very good question, Bruce, It is a very

674
00:38:54,227 --> 00:38:57,107
Speaker 3: good question. I don't know the answer. I'm not sure

675
00:38:57,147 --> 00:39:00,227
Speaker 3: any of us knows the answer. But at the moment,

676
00:39:00,307 --> 00:39:05,627
Speaker 3: the sport is growing. Otherwise these T twenty franchises wouldn't continue,

677
00:39:05,867 --> 00:39:10,867
Speaker 3: these competitions wouldn't continue to pop up. And so within

678
00:39:10,987 --> 00:39:14,187
Speaker 3: that framework, within that landscape, I feel as though we

679
00:39:14,347 --> 00:39:18,307
Speaker 3: here in New Zealand have to jump on or we

680
00:39:18,387 --> 00:39:20,747
Speaker 3: are being left behind. Thanks for your call, Bruce, look

681
00:39:20,787 --> 00:39:23,587
Speaker 3: forward to chatting ashes with you over the next few months.

682
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Speaker 12: Aaron, Hi, mate, Oh good a mate. Look, I haven't

683
00:39:26,387 --> 00:39:27,787
Speaker 12: called you for a week while and tacked a hell

684
00:39:27,827 --> 00:39:29,707
Speaker 12: of a long time. But the threeth of the matter,

685
00:39:29,707 --> 00:39:33,227
Speaker 12: as all find me very quick. We need the TEA

686
00:39:33,267 --> 00:39:35,987
Speaker 12: twenty cricket. Cricket needs stuff like this. I mean I

687
00:39:35,987 --> 00:39:37,867
Speaker 12: don't like watching it either, But why do you think

688
00:39:37,907 --> 00:39:42,467
Speaker 12: generates the money?

689
00:39:42,627 --> 00:39:44,067
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean no one.

690
00:39:46,107 --> 00:39:48,707
Speaker 12: Yeah it is because if we just said TI cricket

691
00:39:48,747 --> 00:39:50,507
Speaker 12: and we've got rid of all those games and all

692
00:39:50,547 --> 00:39:53,547
Speaker 12: those big showing matches and everything else all over the world,

693
00:39:53,587 --> 00:39:57,707
Speaker 12: we wouldn't have test cricket. We just wouldn't. It's I

694
00:39:57,747 --> 00:39:59,547
Speaker 12: hate to say it, but it's a song called economic

695
00:39:59,547 --> 00:39:59,907
Speaker 12: tree of that.

696
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Speaker 3: Thanks Aaron, you've you've summarized it very well. And again,

697
00:40:05,467 --> 00:40:10,347
Speaker 3: like I say, if you know, the Super Smash could

698
00:40:10,427 --> 00:40:13,667
Speaker 3: continue in its current form, but more and more players

699
00:40:13,667 --> 00:40:17,387
Speaker 3: would opt out. More and more T twenty specialists would

700
00:40:17,387 --> 00:40:22,067
Speaker 3: opt out and would seek a playing contract in January

701
00:40:22,107 --> 00:40:25,787
Speaker 3: elsewhere South Africa. Look at came Williamson last year opted

702
00:40:25,827 --> 00:40:27,267
Speaker 3: out of our Super Smash to go and play in

703
00:40:27,307 --> 00:40:31,507
Speaker 3: South Africa. Devin Conway the same players will continue to

704
00:40:31,547 --> 00:40:34,747
Speaker 3: do that. But if there's a franchise league available here

705
00:40:34,787 --> 00:40:38,867
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, came Williamson and Devin Conway. Aren't going

706
00:40:38,907 --> 00:40:40,827
Speaker 3: to go and play in South Africa, thinking the same

707
00:40:40,827 --> 00:40:45,427
Speaker 3: money here, I'll play here. It's their home. And then

708
00:40:45,467 --> 00:40:51,227
Speaker 3: you said about attracting the best international talent to add

709
00:40:51,267 --> 00:40:53,907
Speaker 3: a bit of at a bit of pizazz to the

710
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Speaker 3: whole thing. Seven to one U Stalk ZIB from.

711
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Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the Epic Fails Weekend

712
00:41:01,547 --> 00:41:05,507
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason hin Newstalk ZB four.

713
00:41:05,387 --> 00:41:07,067
Speaker 3: To one on text by part as a batting coach

714
00:41:07,067 --> 00:41:09,147
Speaker 3: for a state team and franchise team in Australia, was

715
00:41:09,147 --> 00:41:11,587
Speaker 3: a former Auckland player. Having watched the Super Smash and

716
00:41:11,627 --> 00:41:14,787
Speaker 3: now watching the WBBL and BBL, there's no comparison. The

717
00:41:14,827 --> 00:41:17,707
Speaker 3: money and entertainment that goes behind the Aussie comps make

718
00:41:17,747 --> 00:41:21,507
Speaker 3: it riveting and the crowds love it. Thanks indeed for

719
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Speaker 3: all your correspondents on this. Much more to come. Just

720
00:41:25,507 --> 00:41:28,347
Speaker 3: to rap, with the risk of repeating myself, there is

721
00:41:28,387 --> 00:41:32,627
Speaker 3: an opportunity here. There is an opportunity to do something different,

722
00:41:32,987 --> 00:41:37,267
Speaker 3: to do something exciting. Just hope that opportunity is taken.

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Speaker 1: The only place to discuss the biggest sports issues on

724
00:41:42,307 --> 00:41:45,747
Speaker 1: and after fields, it's all on weekends Forward.

725
00:41:45,587 --> 00:41:51,947
Speaker 2: With Jason Vane on your home of Sports use or one.

726
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Speaker 3: O seven welcome back into the show. Hey, thanks for

727
00:41:53,747 --> 00:41:58,587
Speaker 3: all your feedback calls. Correspondents on the cricket last hour,

728
00:41:58,587 --> 00:42:05,467
Speaker 3: really interesting, interesting correspondence from many of you. Just before

729
00:42:05,507 --> 00:42:08,227
Speaker 3: we move to rugby, John says there's just a bit

730
00:42:08,267 --> 00:42:10,427
Speaker 3: too much rugby and cricket going on at the moment.

731
00:42:10,467 --> 00:42:13,347
Speaker 3: People have switched off, which is why games like rugby v.

732
00:42:13,467 --> 00:42:18,347
Speaker 3: Cricket is so popular. Why a small rural Taranaki town

733
00:42:18,467 --> 00:42:20,547
Speaker 3: like Waverley can sell our five thousand tickets to a

734
00:42:20,547 --> 00:42:25,787
Speaker 3: preseason game. It's about entertainment and crowd involvement. John bang

735
00:42:25,827 --> 00:42:31,787
Speaker 3: On bang on entertainment and crowd involvement. Yes, the sport

736
00:42:31,907 --> 00:42:36,587
Speaker 3: is important, of course it is, But it's the occasion, right,

737
00:42:36,627 --> 00:42:42,507
Speaker 3: It's what you experience when you are there. And I'm

738
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Speaker 3: almost certain, in fact, I could say it without fear

739
00:42:46,587 --> 00:42:51,947
Speaker 3: of contradiction, that if a franchise T twenty League is stood

740
00:42:52,027 --> 00:42:55,907
Speaker 3: up here, then you and me as fans, would be

741
00:42:55,947 --> 00:42:58,507
Speaker 3: placed in the center of a lot of the discussions

742
00:42:59,147 --> 00:43:02,947
Speaker 3: about what it's like to go along to these events.

743
00:43:04,067 --> 00:43:07,747
Speaker 3: Yes a game, of course, yes, a game, but an event,

744
00:43:07,987 --> 00:43:12,547
Speaker 3: an occasion and experience. What would that be like because

745
00:43:12,587 --> 00:43:14,667
Speaker 3: you know what it's like at the moment, times are

746
00:43:14,707 --> 00:43:17,147
Speaker 3: tough for a lot of people. We can't go to everything,

747
00:43:17,547 --> 00:43:20,547
Speaker 3: we can't spend our money on everything. We have to

748
00:43:20,587 --> 00:43:25,787
Speaker 3: be discretionary. The discretionary dollar can be pulled in all

749
00:43:25,827 --> 00:43:28,987
Speaker 3: sorts of different directions, and at the moment the supersmash

750
00:43:29,147 --> 00:43:33,947
Speaker 3: just isn't doing enough. I don't think to attract that

751
00:43:34,107 --> 00:43:39,587
Speaker 3: discretionary dollar and discretionary eyeballs if we're honest, But something

752
00:43:39,707 --> 00:43:43,187
Speaker 3: like this might and why not give it a crack.

753
00:43:43,787 --> 00:43:48,107
Speaker 3: There are any number of reasons not to, but there

754
00:43:48,107 --> 00:43:50,107
Speaker 3: are some good reasons to give it a go, to

755
00:43:50,187 --> 00:43:53,587
Speaker 3: try something different, to stand up this franchise league in

756
00:43:53,667 --> 00:43:57,307
Speaker 3: our own country with benefits back to the major associations,

757
00:43:58,147 --> 00:44:03,827
Speaker 3: with exciting sporting action, to watch for our young fans,

758
00:44:04,267 --> 00:44:07,267
Speaker 3: to re engage them, or to engage them for the

759
00:44:07,307 --> 00:44:11,387
Speaker 3: first time. Anyway, I'm sure there's much more to come

760
00:44:11,427 --> 00:44:14,907
Speaker 3: on this, much more to come. Thank you, as I say,

761
00:44:14,947 --> 00:44:18,827
Speaker 3: for all your calls and your correspondence. Gonna move to

762
00:44:18,907 --> 00:44:21,267
Speaker 3: rugby because it's the second last test of the year

763
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Speaker 3: for the All Blacks Tomorrow morning England at Twickenham. Ten

764
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Speaker 3: past four is kickoff time. We have a commentary for

765
00:44:27,227 --> 00:44:29,427
Speaker 3: you here on News talks 'b so you don't even

766
00:44:29,467 --> 00:44:30,867
Speaker 3: have to get out of bed. Just radio under the

767
00:44:30,867 --> 00:44:33,107
Speaker 3: pillow Warrior device or whatever it is, just tuning into

768
00:44:33,187 --> 00:44:37,547
Speaker 3: zb or or gold Sport or iHeartRadio. The last time

769
00:44:37,547 --> 00:44:39,427
Speaker 3: we played England was on the end of season two

770
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Speaker 3: last year.

771
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Speaker 13: They're looking for the best opportunity for the truck goal,

772
00:44:43,947 --> 00:44:44,867
Speaker 13: George Ford for.

773
00:44:45,027 --> 00:44:45,707
Speaker 3: The truck goal.

774
00:44:45,867 --> 00:44:46,747
Speaker 4: For the truck.

775
00:44:50,307 --> 00:44:50,907
Speaker 14: It's away.

776
00:44:52,467 --> 00:44:54,667
Speaker 3: It is away, but.

777
00:44:56,227 --> 00:45:01,387
Speaker 13: Glynn I throwler at Twickenham twenty four twenty two.

778
00:45:03,347 --> 00:45:06,947
Speaker 3: I'd almost erased that from my memory, actually the the

779
00:45:07,027 --> 00:45:10,107
Speaker 3: dramatic finish to that game. But yet New Zealand getting

780
00:45:10,147 --> 00:45:13,867
Speaker 3: up twenty four to twenty two at Twickenham. England haven't

781
00:45:13,867 --> 00:45:17,067
Speaker 3: beaten US at Twickenham since twenty twelve. Incidentally, they haven't

782
00:45:17,067 --> 00:45:20,467
Speaker 3: beaten US anywhere since twenty nineteen. That was the Rugby

783
00:45:20,507 --> 00:45:23,147
Speaker 3: World Cup semi final in Japan. That was the last

784
00:45:23,147 --> 00:45:27,067
Speaker 3: time England beat US. Let's bring in former England Hurricanes

785
00:45:27,067 --> 00:45:30,027
Speaker 3: and Crusaders lose forward Thomas Waldrom Thomas before we look

786
00:45:30,027 --> 00:45:31,787
Speaker 3: ahead to this game tomorrow morning, what have you made

787
00:45:31,787 --> 00:45:34,707
Speaker 3: of the All Blacks in the last two weekends during

788
00:45:34,747 --> 00:45:37,427
Speaker 3: their wins over Ireland and then Scotland.

789
00:45:37,907 --> 00:45:41,627
Speaker 15: Yeah they're looking at them. Yeah, they're trying to do stuff,

790
00:45:41,627 --> 00:45:44,027
Speaker 15: but then it's sort of it's not coming off as much.

791
00:45:44,107 --> 00:45:47,027
Speaker 15: But yeah, I'm sort of on the fence at the moment.

792
00:45:47,147 --> 00:45:50,907
Speaker 15: So this Test match of tomorrow, I think it's going

793
00:45:50,987 --> 00:45:53,507
Speaker 15: to be a key one for them to see actually

794
00:45:54,187 --> 00:45:57,027
Speaker 15: what they're trying to do and if they can get

795
00:45:57,067 --> 00:45:58,187
Speaker 15: a win over England as well.

796
00:45:58,267 --> 00:46:00,867
Speaker 3: As you say, you can see what they're trying to do.

797
00:46:01,427 --> 00:46:04,507
Speaker 3: The cohesion I think has been the thing against Ireland.

798
00:46:04,707 --> 00:46:06,507
Speaker 3: It took until the last twenty minutes for them to

799
00:46:06,507 --> 00:46:09,747
Speaker 3: come together. Last week against Scotland, the yellow cards didn't help,

800
00:46:09,787 --> 00:46:12,387
Speaker 3: but there was a period after halftime where where they

801
00:46:13,027 --> 00:46:15,027
Speaker 3: just couldn't get the ball and Scotland came back into

802
00:46:15,067 --> 00:46:17,027
Speaker 3: the game. Do you feel us though this all Black

803
00:46:17,067 --> 00:46:20,947
Speaker 3: side has got a sixty seventy even eighteen minute performance

804
00:46:21,267 --> 00:46:21,907
Speaker 3: in them.

805
00:46:22,227 --> 00:46:24,507
Speaker 15: Yeah, I think they do. And also I think they

806
00:46:24,547 --> 00:46:28,227
Speaker 15: just need to the side of who who's this best

807
00:46:28,227 --> 00:46:30,347
Speaker 15: fifteen as well and what they're trying to achieve. And

808
00:46:30,507 --> 00:46:32,387
Speaker 15: I think there's a lot of top and Johana, there's

809
00:46:32,427 --> 00:46:34,867
Speaker 15: injuries and stuff like that, but I think he sort

810
00:46:34,867 --> 00:46:37,507
Speaker 15: of Billy parkd was there for a little bit. He's out,

811
00:46:37,507 --> 00:46:39,667
Speaker 15: but now he's back in and w was the TV

812
00:46:40,147 --> 00:46:41,587
Speaker 15: I thought played really well. Then he is on the

813
00:46:41,627 --> 00:46:44,747
Speaker 15: fence and Simon Parker's and I think as a player,

814
00:46:44,827 --> 00:46:48,507
Speaker 15: I think just having these mixed messages is probably not great.

815
00:46:48,667 --> 00:46:51,227
Speaker 15: But yeah, we'll be understeing how it goes.

816
00:46:51,027 --> 00:46:51,347
Speaker 2: In the end.

817
00:46:51,707 --> 00:46:55,387
Speaker 3: Another guy who's who's involved in the loose forwards and

818
00:46:55,387 --> 00:46:57,227
Speaker 3: he's actually had a decent run in the side in

819
00:46:57,307 --> 00:47:00,227
Speaker 3: recent times as Peter Larkey. He's been in the number

820
00:47:00,267 --> 00:47:02,467
Speaker 3: eight jersey. This will be his fourth Test in a

821
00:47:02,547 --> 00:47:04,187
Speaker 3: row in that in that jersey. You've said a bit

822
00:47:04,187 --> 00:47:06,507
Speaker 3: of him obviously for the Hurricanes as well. How you

823
00:47:06,547 --> 00:47:08,987
Speaker 3: evaluated how Peter like has been playing in the last

824
00:47:09,027 --> 00:47:09,507
Speaker 3: little while.

825
00:47:09,787 --> 00:47:11,707
Speaker 15: Oh no, yeah, I think he's went really well. And

826
00:47:11,747 --> 00:47:14,347
Speaker 15: that's the thing, he's sort of there's a tast a

827
00:47:14,347 --> 00:47:16,467
Speaker 15: bit of time, but I can see these building some

828
00:47:16,547 --> 00:47:19,027
Speaker 15: combinations and I think that loose forwards that's what it's about.

829
00:47:19,107 --> 00:47:20,907
Speaker 15: And I think it's probably a bit hard on him

830
00:47:20,947 --> 00:47:24,387
Speaker 15: with Parker probably coming in this week. I think Wallace

831
00:47:25,307 --> 00:47:29,067
Speaker 15: Ardi and Peter or I think worked really well the

832
00:47:29,147 --> 00:47:31,307
Speaker 15: last few weeks and I think they're building real nicely.

833
00:47:31,707 --> 00:47:34,107
Speaker 15: So now they're probably dynamics changed a little bit, but

834
00:47:34,147 --> 00:47:36,867
Speaker 15: I think generally, I think that's the thing he's throwing

835
00:47:36,867 --> 00:47:40,067
Speaker 15: his body around on the second half. I think some

836
00:47:40,107 --> 00:47:42,187
Speaker 15: of the tackles he was making were real physical and

837
00:47:42,627 --> 00:47:44,987
Speaker 15: standing up and this the thing he's he's still young

838
00:47:45,027 --> 00:47:47,987
Speaker 15: and he's still going to grow and mature into a

839
00:47:47,987 --> 00:47:49,787
Speaker 15: bloody good All Black, but he's Yeah, I think he's

840
00:47:49,787 --> 00:47:50,707
Speaker 15: going really well at the moment.

841
00:47:50,947 --> 00:47:53,707
Speaker 3: Just on the decision to bring Simon Parker into the side,

842
00:47:53,747 --> 00:47:56,627
Speaker 3: he didn't. He wasn't in the match day twenty three

843
00:47:56,707 --> 00:47:59,907
Speaker 3: last week, and presumably they were they were resting him

844
00:48:00,067 --> 00:48:03,587
Speaker 3: or saving him for this week. And as you say, Wallace,

845
00:48:03,587 --> 00:48:05,827
Speaker 3: a Titi goes onto the bench, I guess the All

846
00:48:05,827 --> 00:48:07,707
Speaker 3: Blacks would sa, Okay, well we need that big body

847
00:48:07,707 --> 00:48:10,027
Speaker 3: out there, we need a big Simon Parker against guys

848
00:48:10,067 --> 00:48:12,787
Speaker 3: like Sam Underhill and Ben Earl and Guy Pepper, who

849
00:48:12,827 --> 00:48:15,667
Speaker 3: are England's loosees. Do you subscribe to that that you

850
00:48:15,787 --> 00:48:17,227
Speaker 3: need that big body out there?

851
00:48:18,067 --> 00:48:20,667
Speaker 15: I think against England, I don't think you do, because

852
00:48:20,947 --> 00:48:24,067
Speaker 15: I think Ben Hill, I know Sam under was very

853
00:48:24,147 --> 00:48:27,067
Speaker 15: very strong tackler and very physical and stuff like that.

854
00:48:27,227 --> 00:48:32,667
Speaker 15: I think sometimes speed ability, ball skills and everything. Sometimes

855
00:48:32,667 --> 00:48:34,347
Speaker 15: you can get around in England guys, and that's what

856
00:48:34,787 --> 00:48:36,467
Speaker 15: that's what I'm sort of hoping for, that they could

857
00:48:36,507 --> 00:48:39,147
Speaker 15: probably just stick with them and try the game plan

858
00:48:39,187 --> 00:48:41,427
Speaker 15: if if they can go wide to white or go.

859
00:48:41,307 --> 00:48:43,987
Speaker 5: Through the middle. We don't need these, yeah, I don't think. Yeah,

860
00:48:44,107 --> 00:48:45,227
Speaker 5: so called big bodies.

861
00:48:45,227 --> 00:48:48,027
Speaker 15: I know he's back in the day we need Drome

862
00:48:48,027 --> 00:48:50,867
Speaker 15: account Kino and like they were the enforces and they

863
00:48:50,947 --> 00:48:53,867
Speaker 15: bought that physicality. But I think some of these guys

864
00:48:53,867 --> 00:48:55,747
Speaker 15: are different these days. So I think, yeah, it's just

865
00:48:56,067 --> 00:49:00,147
Speaker 15: I don't know. Yeah, we'll find out this tomorrow morning

866
00:49:00,387 --> 00:49:02,467
Speaker 15: if it was a good call or not, and if

867
00:49:02,467 --> 00:49:03,827
Speaker 15: they could stand up against England.

868
00:49:04,147 --> 00:49:06,227
Speaker 3: So what goes on to the bench. And there's been

869
00:49:06,227 --> 00:49:09,387
Speaker 3: a lot of talk in recent times about how important

870
00:49:09,667 --> 00:49:12,587
Speaker 3: the bench is, and in many ways, I think there's

871
00:49:12,627 --> 00:49:15,347
Speaker 3: been a narrative that you know, those players who where

872
00:49:15,387 --> 00:49:18,907
Speaker 3: jerseys sixteen to twenty three are just as important as

873
00:49:18,987 --> 00:49:22,307
Speaker 3: jerseys one to fifteen. But as a player, Thomas, you know,

874
00:49:22,747 --> 00:49:26,267
Speaker 3: take us inside the mindset there you always want to start.

875
00:49:27,707 --> 00:49:29,827
Speaker 15: For me, it was always starting, and I think it's

876
00:49:29,547 --> 00:49:32,787
Speaker 15: a sort of always been hard being behind Jerry Rodney

877
00:49:32,827 --> 00:49:35,067
Speaker 15: and crist You sort of when you've got an opportunity,

878
00:49:35,107 --> 00:49:38,827
Speaker 15: you wanted to take it and like fall stride and

879
00:49:39,427 --> 00:49:41,827
Speaker 15: take off both hands. But I think sometimes I think

880
00:49:41,947 --> 00:49:43,267
Speaker 15: back in the day, I think when you were on

881
00:49:43,307 --> 00:49:47,427
Speaker 15: the bench, you potentially could only get ten, five fifteen minutes.

882
00:49:47,627 --> 00:49:49,307
Speaker 15: I know, we they get a little bit longer these

883
00:49:49,347 --> 00:49:51,987
Speaker 15: days because of the games changing and they might get

884
00:49:51,987 --> 00:49:54,707
Speaker 15: twenty five to thirty minutes, but sort of been whiles

885
00:49:54,907 --> 00:49:57,627
Speaker 15: back playing year, it was sort of reserved, sort of

886
00:49:58,187 --> 00:50:02,027
Speaker 15: you might get ten minutes at the most. So yeah,

887
00:50:02,067 --> 00:50:05,467
Speaker 15: starting was always the goal, to get there and try

888
00:50:05,507 --> 00:50:07,827
Speaker 15: to prove yourself. But yeah, no, I think I think

889
00:50:07,867 --> 00:50:10,387
Speaker 15: front rolls a little bit different, like with Twidy Williams

890
00:50:10,387 --> 00:50:13,267
Speaker 15: coming on and stuff like that. Those big bodies, they

891
00:50:13,347 --> 00:50:16,067
Speaker 15: make a difference. But I think loose swards and stuff

892
00:50:16,067 --> 00:50:17,747
Speaker 15: like they're trying to get into a game is pretty

893
00:50:17,747 --> 00:50:20,947
Speaker 15: hard sometimes if you only get out limited amount of minutes.

894
00:50:21,547 --> 00:50:24,427
Speaker 3: England haven't beaten the All Blacks since twenty nineteen in

895
00:50:24,467 --> 00:50:28,187
Speaker 3: the Rugby World Cup semi final that year. They haven't

896
00:50:28,267 --> 00:50:31,547
Speaker 3: beaten the All Blacks at twicken Him since twenty twelve.

897
00:50:31,867 --> 00:50:33,707
Speaker 3: How desperate to England going to beat a chalk cup

898
00:50:33,747 --> 00:50:34,187
Speaker 3: of victory?

899
00:50:34,947 --> 00:50:35,747
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they're.

900
00:50:35,627 --> 00:50:38,387
Speaker 15: Well and that's the thing they've and I think you're

901
00:50:38,387 --> 00:50:42,307
Speaker 15: watching them and stuff like that, and they'll beats be

902
00:50:42,387 --> 00:50:44,187
Speaker 15: under pressure on their lion speed. England will come with

903
00:50:44,267 --> 00:50:47,227
Speaker 15: massive line speed. They'll get in their faces, they'll celebrate

904
00:50:47,227 --> 00:50:51,627
Speaker 15: all these little knockowns like Mariotoji and Ben Hill. It's

905
00:50:51,667 --> 00:50:54,667
Speaker 15: from the Saracens, things like that. Any sort of pressure

906
00:50:54,707 --> 00:50:56,147
Speaker 15: you put on and you make a mistake, they'll be

907
00:50:56,187 --> 00:50:58,427
Speaker 15: in their faces and trying to put pressure as much

908
00:50:58,427 --> 00:51:01,307
Speaker 15: pressure on as possible. So I think have to be

909
00:51:01,347 --> 00:51:04,587
Speaker 15: wary of I think England and I know the four Tests,

910
00:51:04,627 --> 00:51:06,187
Speaker 15: but I think this is the big one that they

911
00:51:06,187 --> 00:51:09,387
Speaker 15: have been working towards. I think Fezi was sort of

912
00:51:09,427 --> 00:51:11,947
Speaker 15: a second string team they put out, but I think

913
00:51:12,147 --> 00:51:14,467
Speaker 15: behind closed doors they'll be working for real hard for

914
00:51:14,587 --> 00:51:16,627
Speaker 15: this game on tomorrow morning.

915
00:51:17,187 --> 00:51:19,307
Speaker 3: If the All Blacks do win this, they're on track

916
00:51:19,307 --> 00:51:22,507
Speaker 3: for a Grand Slam and I'll likely beat Wales, so

917
00:51:22,547 --> 00:51:25,587
Speaker 3: they'll probably finish the year eleven wins, two losses. If

918
00:51:25,627 --> 00:51:28,387
Speaker 3: they were to lose this Test, it'll be three losses

919
00:51:28,427 --> 00:51:30,947
Speaker 3: this year, no Grand Slam. Does it almost feel as though,

920
00:51:31,467 --> 00:51:34,147
Speaker 3: I don't know, the entire year could be defined by

921
00:51:34,187 --> 00:51:35,147
Speaker 3: this one Test match?

922
00:51:36,467 --> 00:51:38,347
Speaker 15: Well, I should I shouldn't be, but I think it's

923
00:51:38,387 --> 00:51:40,747
Speaker 15: more of the way that babies are playing and stuff

924
00:51:40,747 --> 00:51:40,907
Speaker 15: like that.

925
00:51:40,947 --> 00:51:41,427
Speaker 5: At the moment.

926
00:51:41,467 --> 00:51:45,267
Speaker 15: I think that's the question of as the World Cup

927
00:51:45,307 --> 00:51:49,467
Speaker 15: around the corner, is the style baby's a players the

928
00:51:49,747 --> 00:51:51,747
Speaker 15: world class and stuff like that than what we're used

929
00:51:51,747 --> 00:51:54,347
Speaker 15: to seeing with some of the players on top of

930
00:51:54,347 --> 00:51:56,787
Speaker 15: the on top of the game and doing special things.

931
00:51:57,667 --> 00:52:00,667
Speaker 15: I think that's for me been watching it, that's what

932
00:52:00,787 --> 00:52:03,467
Speaker 15: I'll be probably judging more the results come and go

933
00:52:03,547 --> 00:52:05,027
Speaker 15: and stuff, But I think it's the way that they're

934
00:52:05,027 --> 00:52:08,427
Speaker 15: playing and entertaining and stuff like that, which is I

935
00:52:08,427 --> 00:52:09,307
Speaker 15: think was a big key.

936
00:52:10,187 --> 00:52:11,987
Speaker 3: What's twicken them like to play it?

937
00:52:13,227 --> 00:52:14,107
Speaker 5: Oh, it's amazing.

938
00:52:14,187 --> 00:52:16,907
Speaker 15: That's one of the craziest feelings because you get on

939
00:52:16,907 --> 00:52:20,627
Speaker 15: a bus and you arrive anyone's everyone's around the ground

940
00:52:20,627 --> 00:52:23,587
Speaker 15: because they've got the bars and everyone and the hospitality

941
00:52:23,587 --> 00:52:26,507
Speaker 15: starts early and you get off the bus. Especially for

942
00:52:26,587 --> 00:52:30,827
Speaker 15: England when I was on the the home team, it

943
00:52:30,867 --> 00:52:33,507
Speaker 15: was awesome because yet everyone comes out and sees her

944
00:52:33,627 --> 00:52:36,307
Speaker 15: and yeah, yeah, on the on the gates and there's

945
00:52:36,307 --> 00:52:40,427
Speaker 15: probably about forty thousand people watching you, and then sort

946
00:52:40,427 --> 00:52:41,187
Speaker 15: of for the home game.

947
00:52:41,067 --> 00:52:42,987
Speaker 5: As well, you might get a few good booze.

948
00:52:43,027 --> 00:52:45,667
Speaker 15: But yeah, when you walk through and the golden gate

949
00:52:45,707 --> 00:52:48,547
Speaker 15: opens up and it's like around about the bus goes

950
00:52:48,587 --> 00:52:50,307
Speaker 15: down as Yeah, it's pretty special.

951
00:52:50,347 --> 00:52:53,227
Speaker 5: It's unreal and amazingly part of it.

952
00:52:53,307 --> 00:52:55,187
Speaker 3: And what's it like underneath, like as you as you're

953
00:52:55,187 --> 00:52:57,307
Speaker 3: getting ready and then when you come out, like can

954
00:52:57,347 --> 00:52:58,707
Speaker 3: you feel the history of the place?

955
00:52:59,187 --> 00:53:02,427
Speaker 15: Oh yeah, definitely. And the Chaine rooms are massive as well.

956
00:53:02,907 --> 00:53:06,187
Speaker 15: They've got the old iron bars in there as well.

957
00:53:06,947 --> 00:53:08,747
Speaker 15: They use them every every now and then. But I

958
00:53:08,747 --> 00:53:11,867
Speaker 15: think it's just the the grand scale of it always

959
00:53:11,907 --> 00:53:14,627
Speaker 15: just as next level and yeah, all the history of

960
00:53:15,747 --> 00:53:17,707
Speaker 15: all the players that play test matches on the wall

961
00:53:17,867 --> 00:53:21,347
Speaker 15: and all the member belia and stuff all around us.

962
00:53:21,387 --> 00:53:23,587
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty special place to be a part of.

963
00:53:23,947 --> 00:53:25,867
Speaker 3: We love their rugby over here, Thomas, as you know,

964
00:53:26,467 --> 00:53:29,347
Speaker 3: what are the England rugby public like? I mean it's

965
00:53:29,347 --> 00:53:31,667
Speaker 3: big football country, right, they love their football. What are

966
00:53:31,667 --> 00:53:33,907
Speaker 3: the England rugby public like?

967
00:53:34,787 --> 00:53:37,067
Speaker 15: Yeah, they're sort of the same as New Gentlemen they're

968
00:53:37,107 --> 00:53:41,667
Speaker 15: very passionate. They want you to always win. But there's

969
00:53:41,667 --> 00:53:44,467
Speaker 15: the thing like all the to sell out eighty eighty

970
00:53:44,467 --> 00:53:47,627
Speaker 15: four thousand every week as crazy, so you know there's

971
00:53:47,747 --> 00:53:50,987
Speaker 15: people there that want to watch it and get behind

972
00:53:50,987 --> 00:53:53,347
Speaker 15: the team and stuff like that, so which was yeah,

973
00:53:53,387 --> 00:53:55,027
Speaker 15: but I think that they're very much like new gentlemen,

974
00:53:55,067 --> 00:53:58,387
Speaker 15: are very passionate and they want you to win, and

975
00:53:58,467 --> 00:54:01,147
Speaker 15: they'll be very critical at times as well, but that's

976
00:54:01,227 --> 00:54:03,227
Speaker 15: just part of part of because of the media side

977
00:54:03,227 --> 00:54:04,627
Speaker 15: of things as well, but that's just part of it.

978
00:54:05,107 --> 00:54:06,147
Speaker 3: Got a prediction for.

979
00:54:06,107 --> 00:54:09,467
Speaker 5: Us as all. I've got probably a.

980
00:54:09,467 --> 00:54:13,587
Speaker 3: Draw, well there's been I was at a drawer actually

981
00:54:13,587 --> 00:54:17,027
Speaker 3: a twickt in ninety seven or twenty six all drawer

982
00:54:17,107 --> 00:54:19,027
Speaker 3: or something. I remember being in a drawn test match,

983
00:54:19,027 --> 00:54:20,547
Speaker 3: So you reckon it'll be that tight. I mean they

984
00:54:20,627 --> 00:54:23,147
Speaker 3: normally tired, aren't they. I saw a stat that five

985
00:54:23,187 --> 00:54:25,307
Speaker 3: of the last seven between these two have been decided

986
00:54:25,307 --> 00:54:27,947
Speaker 3: by three points or less. So tight game in coming.

987
00:54:28,467 --> 00:54:29,827
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's very tight.

988
00:54:29,907 --> 00:54:33,027
Speaker 15: And yeah, and a goal kicking will come down to

989
00:54:33,067 --> 00:54:36,627
Speaker 15: goal kicking and stuff like it as well. But yeah, yeah,

990
00:54:36,707 --> 00:54:37,707
Speaker 15: I produd it is gonna.

991
00:54:37,507 --> 00:54:38,067
Speaker 5: Be very tight.

992
00:54:38,427 --> 00:54:40,387
Speaker 3: Great to get your analysis, Thomas, thanks for joining us

993
00:54:40,387 --> 00:54:40,907
Speaker 3: this afternoon.

994
00:54:41,227 --> 00:54:42,347
Speaker 5: Je Finny, thanks mate.

995
00:54:42,187 --> 00:54:44,867
Speaker 3: No, thank you mate. That is Thomas Waldron former England

996
00:54:44,867 --> 00:54:47,227
Speaker 3: loose Ford also played a lot for the Hurricanes and

997
00:54:47,307 --> 00:54:49,387
Speaker 3: for the Crusaders Canterbury as well, but a Hawks bay

998
00:54:49,427 --> 00:54:52,227
Speaker 3: too and I feel a good analyst of the game.

999
00:54:52,307 --> 00:54:54,787
Speaker 3: Thomas Waldrom Line's open now your views. Oh, eight hundred

1000
00:54:54,787 --> 00:54:58,667
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. This feels like a coin flip

1001
00:54:58,707 --> 00:55:03,867
Speaker 3: to me, really more so than the Island tested. It

1002
00:55:03,987 --> 00:55:07,067
Speaker 3: also feels as though this is the most autant test

1003
00:55:07,147 --> 00:55:10,987
Speaker 3: of the year. Win this and the Grand Slam stays alive.

1004
00:55:11,067 --> 00:55:13,347
Speaker 3: And with all due of respect to the proud history

1005
00:55:14,027 --> 00:55:17,587
Speaker 3: that Wales have fashioned, they have been awful recently, so

1006
00:55:17,667 --> 00:55:21,347
Speaker 3: that should be no problem next weekend Grand Slam sealed.

1007
00:55:21,947 --> 00:55:25,027
Speaker 3: Victory tomorrow would also make it ten wins out of twelve.

1008
00:55:26,027 --> 00:55:28,347
Speaker 3: It would be a fifth win in a row, which

1009
00:55:28,347 --> 00:55:32,187
Speaker 3: would equal the best streak since Razor took over, and

1010
00:55:32,227 --> 00:55:34,587
Speaker 3: midway through the Rugby World Cup cycling, most of us

1011
00:55:34,627 --> 00:55:40,947
Speaker 3: would say, okay, cool, we're traveling. Okay, yes, could do

1012
00:55:41,027 --> 00:55:43,667
Speaker 3: better here and there, but we're traveling. Okay, but lose

1013
00:55:43,787 --> 00:55:47,787
Speaker 3: tomorrow and twenty twenty five takes on a very different complexion,

1014
00:55:47,827 --> 00:55:51,227
Speaker 3: isn't it. No Grand Slam losses to both England and

1015
00:55:51,307 --> 00:55:55,667
Speaker 3: South Africa this year, and doubt probably over exactly where

1016
00:55:55,707 --> 00:55:59,067
Speaker 3: we are as we look to twenty twenty seven. So

1017
00:55:59,227 --> 00:56:02,187
Speaker 3: it just strikes me as a pretty pivotal test match.

1018
00:56:02,707 --> 00:56:04,227
Speaker 3: Just a couple of numbers before we hit the phones.

1019
00:56:04,227 --> 00:56:05,947
Speaker 3: The All Blacks have lost just one of their last

1020
00:56:05,987 --> 00:56:09,427
Speaker 3: eleves against England, that was the Rugby World Cup semi

1021
00:56:09,427 --> 00:56:13,907
Speaker 3: final in twenty nineteen. Their five most recent victories have

1022
00:56:14,027 --> 00:56:17,587
Speaker 3: been by seven points or less, and five of the

1023
00:56:17,667 --> 00:56:20,387
Speaker 3: last seven, as I mentioned to Thomas Waldron between these two,

1024
00:56:20,907 --> 00:56:24,867
Speaker 3: have been decided by three points or less. The weather

1025
00:56:24,907 --> 00:56:27,427
Speaker 3: forecast for London ain't great either by the sounds of it,

1026
00:56:27,547 --> 00:56:30,067
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure we're going to see an expensive game.

1027
00:56:31,347 --> 00:56:35,547
Speaker 3: It could be a very tight, tight affair. What are

1028
00:56:35,547 --> 00:56:37,227
Speaker 3: you thinking, Peter, you're nervous at all?

1029
00:56:38,507 --> 00:56:41,347
Speaker 16: By Barnie, Yeah, I reckon, it's not going to be

1030
00:56:41,427 --> 00:56:44,907
Speaker 16: easy game. Old Bombs are going to come out there fighting.

1031
00:56:44,907 --> 00:56:48,347
Speaker 16: Oh you know it quite a strong team. So I

1032
00:56:48,347 --> 00:56:52,347
Speaker 16: don't think all Back's going to go walk away walking

1033
00:56:52,387 --> 00:56:52,787
Speaker 16: to Barco.

1034
00:56:52,867 --> 00:56:56,587
Speaker 3: Don't think No, I wouldn't imagine, especially not especially not there.

1035
00:56:58,227 --> 00:57:00,747
Speaker 16: No, No, I mean they be a lot of supporters.

1036
00:57:00,747 --> 00:57:03,427
Speaker 16: Then they're pretty strong rugby team as well as you know,

1037
00:57:04,147 --> 00:57:07,907
Speaker 16: going back about the how they he's reckoned the whole

1038
00:57:07,947 --> 00:57:12,907
Speaker 16: team's twenty three. But I still reckon, if you're a reserve,

1039
00:57:13,067 --> 00:57:16,747
Speaker 16: you're still not really you're sick in beas. I don't

1040
00:57:16,747 --> 00:57:19,667
Speaker 16: think here anybody says Scott robertson. All these other people

1041
00:57:19,667 --> 00:57:21,227
Speaker 16: can say no, they're all part of it, which they

1042
00:57:21,267 --> 00:57:23,547
Speaker 16: are part of the team, but they're still not the top.

1043
00:57:23,627 --> 00:57:25,787
Speaker 16: The first ones that come out, the first fifteens are

1044
00:57:25,867 --> 00:57:29,707
Speaker 16: at the top. A little bit annoyed was how Damian

1045
00:57:30,067 --> 00:57:34,027
Speaker 16: got that try last last week. There was a fluke

1046
00:57:34,107 --> 00:57:36,307
Speaker 16: and he puts his body on the line. He's back

1047
00:57:36,347 --> 00:57:40,227
Speaker 16: on the reserve. What the hell he gets a raw deal?

1048
00:57:40,387 --> 00:57:40,587
Speaker 4: Dame.

1049
00:57:40,667 --> 00:57:42,667
Speaker 16: He might think I like him a lot. He's a

1050
00:57:42,667 --> 00:57:44,867
Speaker 16: tough little bugger, but he's still back on the bench.

1051
00:57:44,867 --> 00:57:46,987
Speaker 16: I reckon he should have been walking out on that.

1052
00:57:47,267 --> 00:57:49,507
Speaker 16: He saved that game and he still gets treated like

1053
00:57:49,547 --> 00:57:50,427
Speaker 16: I reckon, it's appalling.

1054
00:57:51,027 --> 00:57:53,627
Speaker 3: Yeah, I said, I have a different view, Peeg. I

1055
00:57:53,667 --> 00:57:55,987
Speaker 3: don't think that that two things I don't think a

1056
00:57:56,067 --> 00:57:57,947
Speaker 3: reward for playing well off the bench should be a

1057
00:57:57,987 --> 00:58:01,147
Speaker 3: starting fifteen spot. And I think we need to realign

1058
00:58:01,187 --> 00:58:04,067
Speaker 3: our thinking because the last thirty minutes of a Test

1059
00:58:04,067 --> 00:58:06,947
Speaker 3: match can often be far more important in terms of

1060
00:58:06,947 --> 00:58:08,987
Speaker 3: the outcome of the game than the first fifty. So

1061
00:58:09,067 --> 00:58:11,747
Speaker 3: surely it's the guys who finished the Test match who

1062
00:58:11,787 --> 00:58:15,307
Speaker 3: have as important a role to play as those who started.

1063
00:58:17,787 --> 00:58:21,267
Speaker 16: Yeah, I do agree, but my history in the first

1064
00:58:21,347 --> 00:58:25,867
Speaker 16: fifteen if they aren't performing, and that you know the

1065
00:58:26,107 --> 00:58:28,667
Speaker 16: first they come out the first fifteen and they are

1066
00:58:28,707 --> 00:58:32,627
Speaker 16: not performing, you pull them off even before the As

1067
00:58:32,627 --> 00:58:35,267
Speaker 16: soon as they're not performing, where's the kicking or whatever?

1068
00:58:35,787 --> 00:58:38,347
Speaker 16: Pull them off and get someone else. It's pit of

1069
00:58:38,387 --> 00:58:39,547
Speaker 16: like in punishment.

1070
00:58:39,987 --> 00:58:43,787
Speaker 3: You don't perform, You're a hard task You're a hard

1071
00:58:43,867 --> 00:58:46,347
Speaker 3: task master, peaches. I hate to be coached by you.

1072
00:58:46,467 --> 00:58:47,707
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want to make a mistake.

1073
00:58:49,427 --> 00:58:51,947
Speaker 16: You bloody be good bloody players. I'm telling you don't

1074
00:58:51,987 --> 00:58:54,147
Speaker 16: know the respect, don't own the respect.

1075
00:58:55,427 --> 00:58:57,627
Speaker 3: Good man, fete great too much it to you, mate.

1076
00:58:57,627 --> 00:59:00,867
Speaker 3: Thanks indeed, Look, you raise a really interesting point, though,

1077
00:59:02,307 --> 00:59:09,307
Speaker 3: I honestly think we need to rethink the luster of

1078
00:59:09,387 --> 00:59:11,947
Speaker 3: being on the bench and we need to stop this

1079
00:59:13,867 --> 00:59:18,347
Speaker 3: concept of if you're in the starting fifteen you're somehow

1080
00:59:18,867 --> 00:59:23,187
Speaker 3: elevated from those who are in Jerseys sixteen to twenty three.

1081
00:59:24,187 --> 00:59:27,787
Speaker 3: Because of Damien Mackenzie's performance last week against Scotland showed

1082
00:59:27,827 --> 00:59:32,627
Speaker 3: us anything, it's that impact off the bench is as important,

1083
00:59:32,787 --> 00:59:38,027
Speaker 3: if not more than performances in the first half the

1084
00:59:38,067 --> 00:59:42,147
Speaker 3: first fifty minutes. Look at the back end of the

1085
00:59:42,147 --> 00:59:46,067
Speaker 3: game against Ireland, when the All Blacks ran over the

1086
00:59:46,067 --> 00:59:50,707
Speaker 3: top of the Irish in the last twenty minutes, just

1087
00:59:50,787 --> 00:59:53,267
Speaker 3: like All Blacks teams of the past used to do.

1088
00:59:53,387 --> 00:59:55,987
Speaker 3: And I think of the impact off the bench that

1089
00:59:56,147 --> 01:00:00,307
Speaker 3: day of Wallace Stiti. Now Wallace Atiti was promoted to

1090
01:00:00,387 --> 01:00:03,307
Speaker 3: the starting side last week, and I think a lot

1091
01:00:03,347 --> 01:00:05,027
Speaker 3: of people sort of you know, jumped to this conclusion,

1092
01:00:05,027 --> 01:00:06,347
Speaker 3: Oh hey, he was so good off the bench, he's

1093
01:00:06,427 --> 01:00:09,627
Speaker 3: now earned himself a start. I don't think performing well

1094
01:00:09,627 --> 01:00:14,347
Speaker 3: off the bench should be there shouldn't be the reward

1095
01:00:14,427 --> 01:00:17,707
Speaker 3: of a starting spot, because a starting spot isn't this

1096
01:00:17,907 --> 01:00:21,707
Speaker 3: grand prize in the overall scheme of things. South Africa

1097
01:00:21,827 --> 01:00:24,987
Speaker 3: have worked this out. Resci Erasmus has worked this out.

1098
01:00:25,467 --> 01:00:29,507
Speaker 3: I'm almost certain that within the South African rugby team.

1099
01:00:29,987 --> 01:00:35,027
Speaker 3: There is as much prestige ascribed to finishing a game

1100
01:00:35,547 --> 01:00:38,787
Speaker 3: as there is to starting the game. I know everybody

1101
01:00:38,827 --> 01:00:41,627
Speaker 3: wants to start, and that is historical. And Clayton McMillan

1102
01:00:41,707 --> 01:00:44,027
Speaker 3: said this, and I remember it so clearly when a

1103
01:00:44,107 --> 01:00:46,147
Speaker 3: chatter term during the Super Rugby season. He said, I've

1104
01:00:46,147 --> 01:00:47,667
Speaker 3: never met a bloke he doesn't want to start a game.

1105
01:00:49,107 --> 01:00:53,947
Speaker 3: And that's probably that probably you know is true because

1106
01:00:53,987 --> 01:00:55,987
Speaker 3: everybody wants to be out there and feel I'm in

1107
01:00:55,987 --> 01:00:59,027
Speaker 3: the starting fifteen. But your value to the side can

1108
01:00:59,067 --> 01:01:04,627
Speaker 3: be so so much more significant off the bench. See

1109
01:01:04,627 --> 01:01:07,827
Speaker 3: if I'm Scott Roberson, I said this last week. I'm

1110
01:01:07,827 --> 01:01:10,987
Speaker 3: saying to Damien McKenzie, Damien, you're out twenty three. That

1111
01:01:11,147 --> 01:01:14,067
Speaker 3: is your jersey, that is your role. You come on

1112
01:01:14,507 --> 01:01:18,347
Speaker 3: during a game and make your impact that way. You

1113
01:01:18,427 --> 01:01:22,227
Speaker 3: run against tid defenders, you show us some unpredictability and

1114
01:01:22,267 --> 01:01:25,227
Speaker 3: broken play, You kick your goals, You do what you

1115
01:01:25,307 --> 01:01:29,147
Speaker 3: did last week and score tries that people have to

1116
01:01:29,187 --> 01:01:31,227
Speaker 3: watch over and over and over again to work out

1117
01:01:31,227 --> 01:01:36,387
Speaker 3: how you've done it. Bench impact is as important, and

1118
01:01:36,427 --> 01:01:38,187
Speaker 3: I know it's a different sport, but I liken it

1119
01:01:38,227 --> 01:01:42,547
Speaker 3: to baseball. There is a lot of prestige ascribed to

1120
01:01:43,427 --> 01:01:46,907
Speaker 3: pitchers in baseball who finish games, who come out at

1121
01:01:46,907 --> 01:01:49,507
Speaker 3: a bullpen as they call it, and pitch two or

1122
01:01:49,507 --> 01:01:54,747
Speaker 3: three innings to close a game. A closer. It does

1123
01:01:54,827 --> 01:01:59,787
Speaker 3: take a major shift in attitude for us to accept it,

1124
01:01:59,827 --> 01:02:03,347
Speaker 3: because there's still the prestige around starting, and that has

1125
01:02:03,387 --> 01:02:07,067
Speaker 3: been built on decades and decades and back to the

1126
01:02:07,147 --> 01:02:10,427
Speaker 3: time where reserves only came on if there was an injury.

1127
01:02:10,707 --> 01:02:13,907
Speaker 3: But it's a different game now. It's a twenty three

1128
01:02:13,987 --> 01:02:19,027
Speaker 3: man game and numbers sixteen to twenty three should be

1129
01:02:19,427 --> 01:02:23,267
Speaker 3: as coveted as jerseys one to fifteen, one, twenty eight.

1130
01:02:23,267 --> 01:02:24,747
Speaker 3: We've got some more time to talk some rugby O

1131
01:02:24,787 --> 01:02:27,107
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty as a number, Are

1132
01:02:27,107 --> 01:02:29,507
Speaker 3: you in any way nervous? I always asked this before

1133
01:02:29,507 --> 01:02:31,667
Speaker 3: All Blacks tests because I think it's a coin flip.

1134
01:02:32,347 --> 01:02:35,147
Speaker 3: I think England could win the Test match, absolutely they could.

1135
01:02:35,187 --> 01:02:39,307
Speaker 3: They've won their last nine, they're at home, eighty thousand plus.

1136
01:02:39,947 --> 01:02:41,867
Speaker 3: Sounds like it's going to be a pretty ordinary day

1137
01:02:41,907 --> 01:02:44,467
Speaker 3: weather wise. They would have looked at the last two

1138
01:02:44,507 --> 01:02:48,587
Speaker 3: tests the All Blacks played and thought there's vulnerability there though.

1139
01:02:48,707 --> 01:02:51,187
Speaker 3: They will absolutely pepper us with the high ball. I've

1140
01:02:51,227 --> 01:02:55,747
Speaker 3: got no doubt No Caleb Clark in the backfield Leicester

1141
01:02:56,227 --> 01:02:58,547
Speaker 3: and Nuku's played most of his rugby recently in midfield.

1142
01:02:58,787 --> 01:03:01,267
Speaker 3: Leroy Carter not the biggest guy, Will Jordan who seems

1143
01:03:01,267 --> 01:03:02,867
Speaker 3: to have a hole in his game when it comes

1144
01:03:02,907 --> 01:03:06,747
Speaker 3: to the high ball. I'd be peppering us. That's what

1145
01:03:06,747 --> 01:03:09,067
Speaker 3: they'll do. Any thoughts on the rugby, any thoughts on

1146
01:03:09,107 --> 01:03:15,267
Speaker 3: the team selection and the impact role of players. Does

1147
01:03:15,307 --> 01:03:17,667
Speaker 3: there need to be a change for me? Yeah, back

1148
01:03:17,707 --> 01:03:18,867
Speaker 3: with some more of your calls after this.

1149
01:03:19,507 --> 01:03:23,027
Speaker 1: The biggest things in sports are on Weekend Sports with

1150
01:03:23,267 --> 01:03:27,347
Speaker 1: Jason Paine and GJ. Gubnomes, New Zealand's most trusted home

1151
01:03:27,387 --> 01:03:28,387
Speaker 1: builder News Dogs.

1152
01:03:28,387 --> 01:03:31,027
Speaker 3: They'd be coming up one thirty two. Couple of cricket

1153
01:03:31,027 --> 01:03:33,147
Speaker 3: comparisons here on text. You want to be an opener

1154
01:03:33,187 --> 01:03:36,467
Speaker 3: scoring eighty in a successful chase or forty seven not

1155
01:03:36,507 --> 01:03:38,747
Speaker 3: out bringing the team home. It's a very good question.

1156
01:03:38,787 --> 01:03:40,827
Speaker 3: I'd be to forty seven not out bringing the team

1157
01:03:40,867 --> 01:03:44,107
Speaker 3: home in one day cricket, says Peter. Fast bowlers may

1158
01:03:44,107 --> 01:03:46,387
Speaker 3: want to get the new ball, but bowling at the

1159
01:03:46,467 --> 01:03:49,667
Speaker 3: death is just as important. Rugby is the same. Very

1160
01:03:49,667 --> 01:03:53,747
Speaker 3: good point, Peter. Two good cricketing analogies there, Mike, Hi, mate.

1161
01:03:55,267 --> 01:04:00,907
Speaker 17: Good afternoon. Jason's what I was thinking.

1162
01:04:01,187 --> 01:04:05,027
Speaker 3: Yep, sorry, Mike. I I was wondering whether that was

1163
01:04:05,067 --> 01:04:07,507
Speaker 3: going to be the entire content of your call, But no,

1164
01:04:07,747 --> 01:04:08,907
Speaker 3: there's clearly more to come.

1165
01:04:10,147 --> 01:04:13,787
Speaker 17: I was thinking, I have given some serious thoughts to

1166
01:04:13,867 --> 01:04:19,667
Speaker 17: the numbers issue with the all blacks in basketball. They

1167
01:04:19,707 --> 01:04:24,947
Speaker 17: select their own numbers or they're not one to whatever

1168
01:04:24,987 --> 01:04:26,467
Speaker 17: it is in basketball for.

1169
01:04:26,507 --> 01:04:28,307
Speaker 5: The number of people on the field.

1170
01:04:27,987 --> 01:04:30,947
Speaker 17: And on the court, and then they come off the

1171
01:04:31,027 --> 01:04:34,107
Speaker 17: court and those players are in a set.

1172
01:04:33,947 --> 01:04:37,067
Speaker 5: Number of numbers as well.

1173
01:04:37,107 --> 01:04:40,627
Speaker 17: You're right before when you said there's a stigma around

1174
01:04:40,867 --> 01:04:46,987
Speaker 17: the sixteen to twenty three number numbers for players and supporters.

1175
01:04:48,027 --> 01:04:52,347
Speaker 17: If Damien McKenzie could select his own number and that

1176
01:04:52,507 --> 01:04:56,667
Speaker 17: was his for all time, surely that might be a solution.

1177
01:04:57,347 --> 01:04:59,107
Speaker 3: Yeah, But it wouldn't change the fact that he was

1178
01:04:59,147 --> 01:05:01,347
Speaker 3: coming off the bench rather than starting the game. Would

1179
01:05:01,387 --> 01:05:04,107
Speaker 3: it might if you had forty eight on his back

1180
01:05:04,507 --> 01:05:08,627
Speaker 3: or one hundred and thirty two. I think the delineation

1181
01:05:08,747 --> 01:05:11,027
Speaker 3: I think I was trying to make was between those

1182
01:05:11,027 --> 01:05:13,947
Speaker 3: who start the game and those who come on during

1183
01:05:13,987 --> 01:05:14,387
Speaker 3: the game.

1184
01:05:15,507 --> 01:05:18,227
Speaker 17: I agree with what you're saying in the short term,

1185
01:05:18,267 --> 01:05:22,107
Speaker 17: but over time I think that if a player had

1186
01:05:22,307 --> 01:05:26,387
Speaker 17: their own number, whether they started with that number or

1187
01:05:26,427 --> 01:05:32,067
Speaker 17: came off the bench with that number, the stigma will

1188
01:05:33,427 --> 01:05:34,147
Speaker 17: get less.

1189
01:05:35,107 --> 01:05:38,707
Speaker 3: Interesting approach, Mike, interesting approach. I do like the fact

1190
01:05:38,707 --> 01:05:41,907
Speaker 3: that basketballers have their own number. I must say it

1191
01:05:41,947 --> 01:05:43,907
Speaker 3: gets a little bit silly in football when you see

1192
01:05:43,907 --> 01:05:47,347
Speaker 3: some you know. You often see you know numbers up

1193
01:05:47,347 --> 01:05:49,587
Speaker 3: in the sixties and the seventies. I see Lachland brook

1194
01:05:49,627 --> 01:05:53,187
Speaker 3: and Auckland FC wears seventy seven. A real reason to

1195
01:05:53,227 --> 01:05:55,587
Speaker 3: wear seventy seven. But I don't mind it. My interesting

1196
01:05:55,587 --> 01:05:58,947
Speaker 3: point you make, I wonder whether there'll be any there'll

1197
01:05:58,947 --> 01:06:01,227
Speaker 3: be any support for it. We'll keep the lines open, Bruce,

1198
01:06:01,267 --> 01:06:02,387
Speaker 3: Hello mate.

1199
01:06:02,547 --> 01:06:04,627
Speaker 10: Yeah, good mate. I'll put my rugby head on now,

1200
01:06:04,987 --> 01:06:09,027
Speaker 10: go on. Yeah yeah, yeah, no, I'm really empted for

1201
01:06:09,067 --> 01:06:11,827
Speaker 10: the test. It is to me. I see it has

1202
01:06:11,947 --> 01:06:16,787
Speaker 10: been incredibly critical for the season. I wouldn't rate it

1203
01:06:16,827 --> 01:06:20,427
Speaker 10: above the South African Test that Eden Park, but certainly

1204
01:06:20,827 --> 01:06:25,067
Speaker 10: probably the second most biggest test of the season.

1205
01:06:25,787 --> 01:06:27,227
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the one I thought about. That was

1206
01:06:27,267 --> 01:06:29,387
Speaker 3: the one I thought about Bruce when I was sort

1207
01:06:29,387 --> 01:06:31,747
Speaker 3: of thinking, is it the biggest I think, now that

1208
01:06:31,747 --> 01:06:33,667
Speaker 3: that one's been won, I think you're right. At the

1209
01:06:33,667 --> 01:06:35,067
Speaker 3: start of the year, if you or I were chatting

1210
01:06:35,067 --> 01:06:37,387
Speaker 3: to say back in April, wh'd say, Hey, that test

1211
01:06:37,387 --> 01:06:39,427
Speaker 3: at eating Bark's massive. That is the biggest test of

1212
01:06:39,467 --> 01:06:41,427
Speaker 3: the year. Now that they've won that got it out

1213
01:06:41,427 --> 01:06:43,747
Speaker 3: of the way and we arrive here, it just feels

1214
01:06:43,787 --> 01:06:47,707
Speaker 3: as though the whole complexion of twenty twenty five might

1215
01:06:47,907 --> 01:06:50,547
Speaker 3: might be decided by what happens at Twickenham.

1216
01:06:50,547 --> 01:06:56,867
Speaker 10: Now well, yeah, I mean certainly. I mean the thing

1217
01:06:57,027 --> 01:06:59,827
Speaker 10: is is that if we win it, and like you know,

1218
01:06:59,987 --> 01:07:03,107
Speaker 10: no games are laid down Mossir, but like chances are

1219
01:07:03,107 --> 01:07:06,787
Speaker 10: we're going to beat Wales. So if we win this game,

1220
01:07:07,307 --> 01:07:10,627
Speaker 10: basically the All Blacks will have won a Grand Slam,

1221
01:07:10,707 --> 01:07:15,347
Speaker 10: which really like, apart from keeping the bledder slow, you know,

1222
01:07:15,387 --> 01:07:19,467
Speaker 10: we have a run of rugby Championship with under Razor.

1223
01:07:20,107 --> 01:07:24,987
Speaker 10: So it's a significant, you know, milestone for this group

1224
01:07:25,027 --> 01:07:28,947
Speaker 10: of players and for supporters, you know, in terms of

1225
01:07:30,867 --> 01:07:35,427
Speaker 10: winning the ones that really matter, I think, and winning

1226
01:07:35,427 --> 01:07:38,027
Speaker 10: the confidence of the supporters that the All Blacks can

1227
01:07:38,067 --> 01:07:41,747
Speaker 10: go on the field and win the games that really matter.

1228
01:07:42,347 --> 01:07:47,907
Speaker 10: And yeah, that's going to be quite a step forward

1229
01:07:48,067 --> 01:07:49,747
Speaker 10: for this group of players, I reckon.

1230
01:07:50,107 --> 01:07:52,987
Speaker 3: Yeah, Bruce, totally agree, And you're right. It's like something

1231
01:07:53,027 --> 01:07:55,227
Speaker 3: that you can hang, you can hang the season on.

1232
01:07:55,227 --> 01:07:57,187
Speaker 3: You're right. So, Okay, we've got the bledder Slow Cup,

1233
01:07:57,667 --> 01:08:01,747
Speaker 3: we achieved a Grand Slam. If we don't beat England,

1234
01:08:01,787 --> 01:08:03,747
Speaker 3: then we can't say that second thing we say we

1235
01:08:03,787 --> 01:08:05,467
Speaker 3: beat Ireland, we bet Scotland doesn't sort of have the

1236
01:08:05,507 --> 01:08:08,267
Speaker 3: same you know, GRAVI a tasit or we won the

1237
01:08:08,267 --> 01:08:11,907
Speaker 3: Grand Slam, we won the Rugby Championship, you know, as

1238
01:08:11,947 --> 01:08:14,907
Speaker 3: a as a collective of games. I think you're right.

1239
01:08:14,947 --> 01:08:17,267
Speaker 3: If at the end of the year they can say

1240
01:08:17,667 --> 01:08:20,907
Speaker 3: we've retained the Bleder Slow Cup, We've won a Grand Slam,

1241
01:08:21,187 --> 01:08:23,747
Speaker 3: then then I think, like I say that the complexion

1242
01:08:23,787 --> 01:08:26,747
Speaker 3: of the of the year looks very very different than

1243
01:08:26,787 --> 01:08:29,187
Speaker 3: it will if we happen to lose tomorrow.

1244
01:08:30,067 --> 01:08:32,867
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, no absolutely, But I mean, like you know,

1245
01:08:33,587 --> 01:08:36,347
Speaker 10: like reading in the British press about the all black

1246
01:08:36,387 --> 01:08:39,147
Speaker 10: Aura gone and all this sort of bullocks, you know,

1247
01:08:39,267 --> 01:08:43,067
Speaker 10: like I just so so won us to win this game, man,

1248
01:08:43,107 --> 01:08:48,187
Speaker 10: And yeah, like just to shove it right up them.

1249
01:08:48,227 --> 01:08:50,947
Speaker 10: So man, I you know I'm up at three point

1250
01:08:50,947 --> 01:08:52,387
Speaker 10: thirty getting ready for that game.

1251
01:08:52,427 --> 01:08:54,667
Speaker 2: Mate, No, god on you mate.

1252
01:08:54,667 --> 01:08:56,187
Speaker 3: Well, if you get the opportunity to ring back tomorrow

1253
01:08:56,227 --> 01:08:59,947
Speaker 3: afternoon and let's let's uh, let's review whatever happens. Good

1254
01:08:59,947 --> 01:09:02,627
Speaker 3: to chat to your Bruce is always twenty three to two.

1255
01:09:02,867 --> 01:09:06,147
Speaker 3: Somebody's made a similar point to the one you just made. Actually,

1256
01:09:06,667 --> 01:09:09,307
Speaker 3: John says I went against England as a must, firstly

1257
01:09:09,667 --> 01:09:12,587
Speaker 3: for the Grand Slam, then for the year's win loss record,

1258
01:09:12,627 --> 01:09:19,787
Speaker 3: but mostly because England is such poor winners. Yeah, I think. Yeah,

1259
01:09:19,827 --> 01:09:22,707
Speaker 3: if you're ranked the teams you hate losing to the most.

1260
01:09:22,907 --> 01:09:25,747
Speaker 3: I spoke to this last week when we were chatting

1261
01:09:25,747 --> 01:09:29,347
Speaker 3: about Scotland. See, I mean, much as I would hate

1262
01:09:29,387 --> 01:09:31,707
Speaker 3: for us to lose to Scotland, it's like, well, you know,

1263
01:09:32,307 --> 01:09:35,307
Speaker 3: I don't I quite like the Scottish people. I like

1264
01:09:35,347 --> 01:09:39,507
Speaker 3: the English people too, but they're intolerable when they beat us,

1265
01:09:40,067 --> 01:09:42,547
Speaker 3: aren't they? In this whole thing of yeah, the all

1266
01:09:42,587 --> 01:09:45,267
Speaker 3: Blacks have lost their aura. Look that was written two

1267
01:09:45,387 --> 01:09:49,827
Speaker 3: years ago, three years ago, five years ago. Look it

1268
01:09:49,827 --> 01:09:51,507
Speaker 3: may or may not be true, but the fact is

1269
01:09:53,467 --> 01:09:56,027
Speaker 3: England haven't beat the All Blacks at Twickenham since twenty twelve,

1270
01:09:57,347 --> 01:09:59,587
Speaker 3: so I'd concentrate more on the reasons for that rather

1271
01:09:59,627 --> 01:10:04,867
Speaker 3: than there's if there's any aura or not. But they are, yeah,

1272
01:10:04,907 --> 01:10:10,747
Speaker 3: they are. They're hard to take sometimes sections of their

1273
01:10:10,787 --> 01:10:15,787
Speaker 3: fan base are hard to take when they beat us, Mike,

1274
01:10:15,827 --> 01:10:18,547
Speaker 3: says Jason. There was a lovely article in Yesterday's Telegraph

1275
01:10:18,667 --> 01:10:23,307
Speaker 3: in the UK about Wellington's own Jamie Salmon, currently the

1276
01:10:23,347 --> 01:10:25,707
Speaker 3: only Jewel International to play for both the All Blacks

1277
01:10:25,747 --> 01:10:28,587
Speaker 3: in England. Mike, I remember Jamie Salmon. What a player.

1278
01:10:29,147 --> 01:10:31,547
Speaker 3: I remember him for Wellington actually when I was growing

1279
01:10:31,627 --> 01:10:34,147
Speaker 3: up watching rugby. He was part of that team that

1280
01:10:34,267 --> 01:10:37,947
Speaker 3: had Stun Bernie and Alan Huston, Murray Mextead. It was

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Speaker 3: a really really good team and Jamie Salmon was this, oh,

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Speaker 3: just wonderful midfield back. And he did play for the

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Speaker 3: All Blacks. And as you're right, you say, the only

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01:10:52,867 --> 01:10:55,707
Speaker 3: Jewel International for the All Blacks and for England. His

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01:10:55,787 --> 01:10:59,227
Speaker 3: test matches for New Zealand were kind of in the

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Speaker 3: early part of the eighties. From memory, I remember him

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01:11:06,467 --> 01:11:13,067
Speaker 3: playing against the likes of France from memory, but yeah,

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01:11:12,347 --> 01:11:16,227
Speaker 3: he was a player Jamie Salmon and yeah went on

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Speaker 3: to play a lot of rugby in the Northern Hemisphere.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for letting us know about that, Mike Jason. The

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01:11:22,827 --> 01:11:27,587
Speaker 3: All Blacks will win, but it'll be ugly. What concerns

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01:11:27,587 --> 01:11:29,147
Speaker 3: me the most is we're less than two years away

1293
01:11:29,147 --> 01:11:32,187
Speaker 3: from a World Cup and I'm not sure that anyone,

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Speaker 3: including the team know what the coach wants from them.

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01:11:35,267 --> 01:11:38,627
Speaker 3: I think they probably do. I think they probably do,

1296
01:11:41,227 --> 01:11:44,587
Speaker 3: but yeah, I'd just love to see an eighty minute performance,

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01:11:46,787 --> 01:11:48,427
Speaker 3: Ian says Jason. The biggest game of the year was

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01:11:48,427 --> 01:11:53,587
Speaker 3: South Africa in Auckland, and then it was South Africa

1299
01:11:53,587 --> 01:11:55,707
Speaker 3: and Wellington. Our record in Wellington as crab we always

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01:11:55,747 --> 01:11:58,387
Speaker 3: went in Auckland. Yeah. I saw an article yesterday about

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01:11:58,387 --> 01:12:01,147
Speaker 3: the new christ Church Stadium and much as it pains

1302
01:12:01,147 --> 01:12:02,787
Speaker 3: me to start as WELLINGTONI and I'll repeat what I

1303
01:12:02,787 --> 01:12:04,347
Speaker 3: said earlier this year. If you're going to take tests

1304
01:12:04,347 --> 01:12:08,067
Speaker 3: away from anywhere, take them away from Wellington, leave them

1305
01:12:08,067 --> 01:12:10,587
Speaker 3: in Dunedin, give as many as you like to christ

1306
01:12:10,667 --> 01:12:13,947
Speaker 3: you keep them the big ones at Eden Park. Wellington's

1307
01:12:13,987 --> 01:12:22,707
Speaker 3: the one that it should be. Should be worried from

1308
01:12:22,707 --> 01:12:25,827
Speaker 3: Peter Jason, but confused by you and the callers about

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Speaker 3: the last quarter of last week's game. All year, you

1310
01:12:28,627 --> 01:12:31,787
Speaker 3: guys have been crying in your after game bears that

1311
01:12:31,827 --> 01:12:34,907
Speaker 3: the All Blacks have been losing the last quarter. At

1312
01:12:34,907 --> 01:12:36,827
Speaker 3: the top level of rugby, the winner of the game

1313
01:12:37,067 --> 01:12:40,667
Speaker 3: only at most wins two quarters. Last week they won

1314
01:12:40,707 --> 01:12:43,587
Speaker 3: three and crucially the last. So if I've done what

1315
01:12:43,587 --> 01:12:46,707
Speaker 3: you wanted, I'd be surprised if they lose tomorrow. Yeah,

1316
01:12:46,707 --> 01:12:51,507
Speaker 3: I'm not sure I've been been crying about losing the

1317
01:12:51,547 --> 01:12:53,827
Speaker 3: last quarter necessarily. I think what we've been saying is

1318
01:12:53,827 --> 01:12:55,427
Speaker 3: that the All Blacks haven't done what they always have

1319
01:12:55,467 --> 01:12:56,867
Speaker 3: in the past, and that has been very strong at

1320
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Speaker 3: the end of games. But thank you for your text.

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Speaker 3: What about John Gallaha says this text, I don't think

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01:13:04,467 --> 01:13:07,467
Speaker 3: John Gallaha ever played rugby for England, if that's what

1323
01:13:07,507 --> 01:13:11,507
Speaker 3: you're asking. He was English, came here, played for the

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01:13:11,587 --> 01:13:13,027
Speaker 3: All Blacks and then went to rugby League, but I

1325
01:13:13,027 --> 01:13:14,747
Speaker 3: don't think he ever played rugby for England. I think

1326
01:13:14,827 --> 01:13:19,027
Speaker 3: Jamie Salmon is the only duel rugby international at senior

1327
01:13:19,107 --> 01:13:22,027
Speaker 3: level for both England and the All Blacks. But appreciate

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Speaker 3: the text, and finally on selecting your own numbers. I'm

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01:13:26,187 --> 01:13:27,667
Speaker 3: not going to rit David. I'm not going to read that.

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Speaker 3: That's a dad joke for the best of them. It's

1331
01:13:29,427 --> 01:13:32,907
Speaker 3: a great it's a great text and it made me smile.

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Speaker 3: But I'm having to come back to that. Adam Peacock

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Speaker 3: from Australia after.

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Speaker 1: This, don't get caught off side eighty eight Weekend Sports

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Speaker 1: with Jason Paine and GJ. Gardner Holmes, New Zealand's most

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Speaker 3: Let's get you across the Tasman with our Australian correspondent,

1338
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Speaker 3: Adam Peacock Grate the chad has always Adam. We've got

1339
01:13:54,427 --> 01:13:56,627
Speaker 3: the All Blacks England tomorrow morning. Then we can settle

1340
01:13:56,627 --> 01:13:59,947
Speaker 3: in and watch Wallaby's Island. That's a nine o'clock kickoff

1341
01:13:59,947 --> 01:14:02,587
Speaker 3: for us, or just after nine o'clock just after seven

1342
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Speaker 3: for you. How are you feeling about about the Wallaby's

1343
01:14:05,387 --> 01:14:07,627
Speaker 3: chances against Orland tomorrow?

1344
01:14:08,867 --> 01:14:16,907
Speaker 18: Yeah, not too. Chipper's been been a pretty bad tour

1345
01:14:16,987 --> 01:14:20,427
Speaker 18: so far, beaten sound Ley by England and then upset

1346
01:14:20,467 --> 01:14:24,027
Speaker 18: by Italy. Yes, we don't have the depth of some

1347
01:14:24,187 --> 01:14:28,467
Speaker 18: other nation, so when we're stretched, it's exposed in terms

1348
01:14:28,507 --> 01:14:32,827
Speaker 18: of we couldn't get our players from English clubs early

1349
01:14:32,907 --> 01:14:37,147
Speaker 18: in the tour because it's outside the window. Like it's

1350
01:14:37,147 --> 01:14:39,747
Speaker 18: been a long campaign for the Wallabies, and you know,

1351
01:14:40,147 --> 01:14:44,387
Speaker 18: natural attrition takes place. But yeah, it's pretty uninspiring. You

1352
01:14:44,427 --> 01:14:46,587
Speaker 18: go out twelve months we're all pumped about beating England

1353
01:14:46,587 --> 01:14:48,347
Speaker 18: over there and it felt like there was a surgeons

1354
01:14:48,427 --> 01:14:51,587
Speaker 18: under judgment. Well that feeling's gone well and truly gone.

1355
01:14:51,747 --> 01:14:51,867
Speaker 19: Well.

1356
01:14:51,867 --> 01:14:54,507
Speaker 3: I see James O'Connor, who was on holiday in Morocco

1357
01:14:54,587 --> 01:14:57,387
Speaker 3: from all reports, had that holiday cut short. He's come

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01:14:57,427 --> 01:14:58,307
Speaker 3: back and to run the cover.

1359
01:14:59,787 --> 01:15:00,187
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, so he's the ten. He was the ten when

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01:15:03,947 --> 01:15:07,187
Speaker 18: we beat South Africa in South afric which is probably

1362
01:15:07,227 --> 01:15:12,387
Speaker 18: the best result under Joe Schmidt, even including the England

1363
01:15:12,427 --> 01:15:15,507
Speaker 18: game at Twickenham twelve months ago. But yeah, I'm led

1364
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Speaker 18: to believe that the English got their club players out

1365
01:15:21,467 --> 01:15:23,627
Speaker 18: of their clubs even though it was an international window,

1366
01:15:23,707 --> 01:15:26,867
Speaker 18: by just exchanging a bit of cash. The Wallabies were

1367
01:15:26,867 --> 01:15:28,627
Speaker 18: offered to do the same and they turned it down.

1368
01:15:29,067 --> 01:15:33,187
Speaker 18: So yeah, they didn't want to pay to release those players,

1369
01:15:33,667 --> 01:15:36,467
Speaker 18: which I get, I can half understand, but it's a

1370
01:15:36,467 --> 01:15:39,067
Speaker 18: shame that rugby's got to the point where you're trying

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01:15:39,067 --> 01:15:42,347
Speaker 18: to woo players by a transaction rather than what you

1372
01:15:42,427 --> 01:15:45,627
Speaker 18: feel is right. But that's where we're at. But yeah,

1373
01:15:45,707 --> 01:15:48,707
Speaker 18: James O'Connor is like, can you help us again? I

1374
01:15:48,747 --> 01:15:50,227
Speaker 18: don't know why he's not around the set up the

1375
01:15:50,267 --> 01:15:53,987
Speaker 18: whole time and almost the number one ten. We keep

1376
01:15:53,987 --> 01:15:55,467
Speaker 18: on chopping and changing in that position.

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll see what happens at Lansdowne Road tomorrow

1378
01:16:00,147 --> 01:16:02,787
Speaker 3: about nine o'clock our time, seven o'clock for you other

1379
01:16:02,827 --> 01:16:06,267
Speaker 3: matters around. The NRL draw is out for twenty twenty six.

1380
01:16:06,707 --> 01:16:08,787
Speaker 3: Anything in particular catch your eye there.

1381
01:16:09,947 --> 01:16:13,387
Speaker 18: Yeah, Penrith have got on paper a rough one. They

1382
01:16:13,427 --> 01:16:16,547
Speaker 18: are the standards set as over the last five years,

1383
01:16:16,587 --> 01:16:20,347
Speaker 18: but they have to play the top four of twenty

1384
01:16:20,427 --> 01:16:24,907
Speaker 18: twenty five twice. So that's how you kind of weight

1385
01:16:24,987 --> 01:16:26,827
Speaker 18: the drawer in terms of how tough it is and

1386
01:16:26,867 --> 01:16:31,347
Speaker 18: how many times you play last year's bottom four twice

1387
01:16:31,387 --> 01:16:35,547
Speaker 18: and Penrith only don't even do that once, but play

1388
01:16:37,187 --> 01:16:40,627
Speaker 18: top four sides a total of eight times. So that's

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01:16:40,627 --> 01:16:42,467
Speaker 18: a really tough draw for them, or is done have

1390
01:16:42,467 --> 01:16:44,107
Speaker 18: an easy one. They've got to play the Broncos twice

1391
01:16:44,107 --> 01:16:46,667
Speaker 18: at Suncot Stadium because of a quirk about Magic Round.

1392
01:16:46,667 --> 01:16:50,587
Speaker 18: But yeah, look it's all going to take off with

1393
01:16:50,747 --> 01:16:53,707
Speaker 18: Vegas again. I think the Knights and the Cowboys and

1394
01:16:53,707 --> 01:16:58,027
Speaker 18: then the Dogs and Dragons. So half of yeah, South

1395
01:16:58,067 --> 01:17:00,067
Speaker 18: and Southwest Sydney will be missing because I'll be over

1396
01:17:00,067 --> 01:17:04,147
Speaker 18: in Vegas and losing themselves over there that season opener

1397
01:17:04,187 --> 01:17:07,787
Speaker 18: and then Melbourne Storm hosts matter I think on night

1398
01:17:07,867 --> 01:17:12,587
Speaker 18: one on Australian so the week after, so yeah, Andrew

1399
01:17:12,627 --> 01:17:15,107
Speaker 18: Abdos called it the fairest drawer ever, but you know

1400
01:17:15,227 --> 01:17:17,147
Speaker 18: he's a boss. It's not going to say it's the

1401
01:17:17,147 --> 01:17:18,067
Speaker 18: worst drawer ever, is he.

1402
01:17:18,147 --> 01:17:22,547
Speaker 3: So it's out all right, and the Eshes they are

1403
01:17:22,627 --> 01:17:26,147
Speaker 3: drawing ever closer. First Test starts and Perth on Friday.

1404
01:17:26,347 --> 01:17:29,827
Speaker 3: A bit of chat about England's lack of quality build out.

1405
01:17:29,867 --> 01:17:33,267
Speaker 3: They've decided to play a game against what they're England

1406
01:17:33,307 --> 01:17:36,347
Speaker 3: a side, so effectively they're second side who also happened

1407
01:17:36,347 --> 01:17:37,867
Speaker 3: to be on tour in Australia at the moment.

1408
01:17:38,747 --> 01:17:41,947
Speaker 18: Yeah, so smart from the ECB to have those tours

1409
01:17:42,147 --> 01:17:44,227
Speaker 18: concurrent because it's a long tour and there'll be an

1410
01:17:44,227 --> 01:17:46,467
Speaker 18: injury so they can then just quickly call someone in

1411
01:17:46,547 --> 01:17:50,587
Speaker 18: who is maybe a little more ifa with Australian conditions

1412
01:17:50,587 --> 01:17:53,547
Speaker 18: at the moment, but yeah, copying a bit for this

1413
01:17:53,587 --> 01:17:56,387
Speaker 18: look that there's mate over here. There is so much

1414
01:17:56,467 --> 01:18:00,147
Speaker 18: chat about what will happen, who's better, how they're all

1415
01:18:00,187 --> 01:18:02,707
Speaker 18: going to play out. We've got another week of it

1416
01:18:02,787 --> 01:18:05,267
Speaker 18: before the first Test starts, but it is just chattering.

1417
01:18:06,667 --> 01:18:08,707
Speaker 18: You don't know whether or not this is a good

1418
01:18:08,707 --> 01:18:11,627
Speaker 18: preparation or a bad preparation. You don't know if our

1419
01:18:11,667 --> 01:18:14,147
Speaker 18: Shield players playing the whole of the week before is

1420
01:18:14,147 --> 01:18:16,747
Speaker 18: it good or a bad preparation. It's just how it

1421
01:18:16,827 --> 01:18:20,347
Speaker 18: is looking forward to Perth next week. Where do you

1422
01:18:20,347 --> 01:18:22,387
Speaker 18: sit with it all? Because you know, you guys have

1423
01:18:22,427 --> 01:18:25,267
Speaker 18: provided the captain and coach for them, but you're closer

1424
01:18:25,267 --> 01:18:25,587
Speaker 18: to us.

1425
01:18:25,707 --> 01:18:29,187
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're just we're just very much looking

1426
01:18:29,187 --> 01:18:31,307
Speaker 3: for Well, here's my view. I'm looking forward to it

1427
01:18:31,307 --> 01:18:33,827
Speaker 3: without any skin in the game at all. Really. I mean,

1428
01:18:33,907 --> 01:18:36,507
Speaker 3: I love my cricket, I love my Test cricket, and

1429
01:18:36,987 --> 01:18:38,907
Speaker 3: much as I'm looking forward to New Zealand playing the

1430
01:18:38,907 --> 01:18:42,147
Speaker 3: West Indies in three Test matches here in December, I'm

1431
01:18:42,267 --> 01:18:47,027
Speaker 3: as excited about the Ashes. And there's always storylines. The

1432
01:18:47,107 --> 01:18:50,987
Speaker 3: coverage is magnificent. There's always a bit of controversy, lots

1433
01:18:50,987 --> 01:18:54,347
Speaker 3: of niggle. That's probably a long winded way of saying

1434
01:18:54,387 --> 01:18:57,027
Speaker 3: that I'm very excited about it finally getting it.

1435
01:18:58,267 --> 01:18:59,347
Speaker 8: Yeah, this would be big.

1436
01:19:00,627 --> 01:19:03,107
Speaker 18: I love his trading cricket team, you know, I'll always

1437
01:19:03,107 --> 01:19:05,787
Speaker 18: support them, But I've got absolutely no idea what's going

1438
01:19:05,867 --> 01:19:10,547
Speaker 18: to happen, Absolutely no idea Like will England's express bowling

1439
01:19:10,947 --> 01:19:15,307
Speaker 18: calls out top six which has looked brittle at times palm,

1440
01:19:15,747 --> 01:19:18,267
Speaker 18: but will Steve Smith and Marnus Lavashane, who have been

1441
01:19:18,387 --> 01:19:20,427
Speaker 18: in really good nick in the last couple of weeks,

1442
01:19:20,787 --> 01:19:24,507
Speaker 18: lighted up and nullify England. There Will England's batting smash

1443
01:19:24,547 --> 01:19:29,707
Speaker 18: our aging for great attack to pieces like there's so

1444
01:19:29,707 --> 01:19:32,467
Speaker 18: many great questions, there's so many, so much uncertainty, and

1445
01:19:32,507 --> 01:19:34,827
Speaker 18: that's what you need before a great sporting contest and.

1446
01:19:34,787 --> 01:19:35,427
Speaker 5: This is going to be it.

1447
01:19:35,627 --> 01:19:38,307
Speaker 3: And injury concerns too. I saw Josh Hazel would got

1448
01:19:38,307 --> 01:19:40,107
Speaker 3: a hammy, but he's going to be okay. Did I

1449
01:19:40,147 --> 01:19:45,427
Speaker 3: read he's actually been clear for the first teast Josh.

1450
01:19:43,867 --> 01:19:45,587
Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, it was just a bit of tightness. So

1451
01:19:45,627 --> 01:19:48,507
Speaker 18: he left the field after his spell and just reported

1452
01:19:48,507 --> 01:19:51,067
Speaker 18: a bit of tightness. And I was actually talking to

1453
01:19:51,107 --> 01:19:53,827
Speaker 18: Mitchell Stark early in the week and he was standing

1454
01:19:53,867 --> 01:19:56,907
Speaker 18: at second slip when it happened next to Steve Smith,

1455
01:19:57,267 --> 01:19:59,627
Speaker 18: the captain, and apparently Steve Smith just turned around to

1456
01:19:59,667 --> 01:20:03,947
Speaker 18: him and said, get off, you're done. Yeah, there was

1457
01:20:03,987 --> 01:20:08,507
Speaker 18: a few tremors that rocked through that afternoon. But fingers

1458
01:20:08,507 --> 01:20:10,347
Speaker 18: Cross is okay. It's got a long Perth to get

1459
01:20:10,387 --> 01:20:12,267
Speaker 18: over to, long fight to get over to Perth. But

1460
01:20:13,107 --> 01:20:15,747
Speaker 18: fingers Cross he's all good because we need him. He's

1461
01:20:15,827 --> 01:20:17,147
Speaker 18: in grateful at the moment.

1462
01:20:17,427 --> 01:20:19,747
Speaker 3: Well, by the time we chat next week, we'll be underway.

1463
01:20:19,787 --> 01:20:22,267
Speaker 3: An Ash's test one. Always enjoy catching up on Australian

1464
01:20:22,307 --> 01:20:24,507
Speaker 3: sporting matters. Adam will do it again seven days from now.

1465
01:20:24,947 --> 01:20:26,147
Speaker 18: Sounds good, Piney, Thanks mate.

1466
01:20:26,147 --> 01:20:28,467
Speaker 3: That is Adam Peacock. He joined us about this time

1467
01:20:28,467 --> 01:20:32,547
Speaker 3: every Saturday afternoon with Australian sporting matters. Just back to

1468
01:20:32,707 --> 01:20:34,467
Speaker 3: a couple of texts on the rugby before we move.

1469
01:20:34,867 --> 01:20:37,227
Speaker 3: Looking forward to the game, Piney, I hope we know

1470
01:20:37,427 --> 01:20:40,267
Speaker 3: the English two teams we play that we must always

1471
01:20:40,267 --> 01:20:44,027
Speaker 3: beat in my view because they're terrible, terrible winners. And

1472
01:20:44,067 --> 01:20:46,507
Speaker 3: that's England and Australia go the All Blacks. I wonder

1473
01:20:46,507 --> 01:20:48,187
Speaker 3: who you support the Ashes. Then that's the thing with

1474
01:20:48,227 --> 01:20:50,427
Speaker 3: the Ashes as well, and I don't know who I

1475
01:20:50,467 --> 01:20:53,267
Speaker 3: want to win, and in many ways that's the beauty

1476
01:20:53,307 --> 01:20:56,507
Speaker 3: of it. I actually don't care who wins the Ashes,

1477
01:20:56,987 --> 01:21:00,747
Speaker 3: but I love watching the Ashes for the drama and

1478
01:21:00,827 --> 01:21:03,787
Speaker 3: for the quality cricket. Pony just tuned in both teams

1479
01:21:03,787 --> 01:21:06,507
Speaker 3: for me more or less equal on paper, and now

1480
01:21:06,547 --> 01:21:09,027
Speaker 3: it comes down to on the day performance. Two concerns.

1481
01:21:09,627 --> 01:21:12,387
Speaker 3: My main concerns the referee again, another second stringer for

1482
01:21:12,387 --> 01:21:15,027
Speaker 3: such a big game. Secondly, to a lesser extent, the weather,

1483
01:21:15,107 --> 01:21:17,787
Speaker 3: Thanks Carlos Weather incidentally in London. I just had a

1484
01:21:17,867 --> 01:21:21,067
Speaker 3: quick check on this. When the game kicks off, it

1485
01:21:21,187 --> 01:21:23,867
Speaker 3: is likely to be raining either then or during the game.

1486
01:21:24,547 --> 01:21:27,067
Speaker 3: Rain is forecast across most of the afternoon in London,

1487
01:21:27,107 --> 01:21:30,827
Speaker 3: but it says light rain and a gentle breeze, so

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Speaker 3: the wind won't be an issue. And look, you know

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Speaker 3: rain's not going to affect the am at rugby. Really. Yes,

1490
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Speaker 3: the ball might be a bit slippery and that sort

1491
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Speaker 3: of thing, but we're not talking about monsoon conditions here.

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Speaker 3: I can't imagine it would have too much of an impact. Yes,

1493
01:21:46,627 --> 01:21:49,827
Speaker 3: obviously a dry track would be more conducive to running rugby,

1494
01:21:49,867 --> 01:21:51,187
Speaker 3: but I'm not sure this game was ever going to

1495
01:21:51,227 --> 01:21:54,947
Speaker 3: be that anyway, ten past four tomorrow morning live commentary

1496
01:21:54,947 --> 01:21:56,507
Speaker 3: Here on News Talks, he'd be seven to two back

1497
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Speaker 3: in a.

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Speaker 1: Mow analyzing every view from every angle in the Sporting

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Speaker 1: World Weekend Sport with Jason five.

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Speaker 2: They call eight hundred and eight News Talks.

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01:22:07,227 --> 01:22:09,107
Speaker 3: Four to two after the News at two will catch

1502
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Speaker 3: you up on some of the stuff you might have

1503
01:22:10,347 --> 01:22:12,307
Speaker 3: missed in case you missed it as the name of

1504
01:22:12,307 --> 01:22:14,827
Speaker 3: the feature. Then Chris Lendrum's on the show as the

1505
01:22:14,867 --> 01:22:17,627
Speaker 3: Black Ferns Go and search of a new head coach

1506
01:22:17,947 --> 01:22:21,547
Speaker 3: Ellen Bunting. It was confirmed yesterday will not be continuing

1507
01:22:21,707 --> 01:22:25,027
Speaker 3: in that role and from the media release I saw

1508
01:22:25,107 --> 01:22:27,787
Speaker 3: they want to make an appointment before Christmas, which seems

1509
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Speaker 3: optimistic to me. What are we today the fifteenth of

1510
01:22:30,867 --> 01:22:33,787
Speaker 3: November anyway, Chris Lendru, I'm going to tell us more

1511
01:22:33,827 --> 01:22:36,627
Speaker 3: about that. Emma Twiggers on the show. What an absolute

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01:22:36,707 --> 01:22:39,587
Speaker 3: superstar of New Zealand sports she is and now a

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Speaker 3: world champion in coastal rowing. And we'll get inside the

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Speaker 3: All Whites camp as well ahead of their game against

1515
01:22:44,467 --> 01:22:46,707
Speaker 3: Columbia tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: It's the only place to discuss the biggest Fours issues

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Speaker 1: on and after field.

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Speaker 2: It's all on weekends Ford with Jason Paine on your

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Speaker 2: home of Sport with Ork.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back into the show. This is weekend Sport on

1521
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Speaker 3: News Talks. Heb I'm Jason fine with any McDonald running

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01:23:05,147 --> 01:23:10,067
Speaker 3: the cut up three. Then Tim Beveridge takes over. Piney

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Speaker 3: says this text. I see the Warriors are playing the

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Speaker 3: Cowboys under the roof in christ Church on Sunday, the

1525
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Speaker 3: twenty first of June. The good news is that when

1526
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Speaker 3: the Crusaders get the home final the night before, it'll

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01:23:22,107 --> 01:23:26,027
Speaker 3: mate for a great double header. Yes, great Crusaders scubability

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Speaker 3: is always It could well happen, couldn't It could well happen. Kida,

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Speaker 3: finally loving the show, says John. Of course England will

1530
01:23:33,187 --> 01:23:35,347
Speaker 3: win by a few tomorrow morning, but it'll really be

1531
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Speaker 3: about the occasion. Any England Test or Six Nations game

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Speaker 3: at Twickenham is a sporting bucket list event. As a

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Speaker 3: pimit a proud Englishman lucky enough to be living here

1534
01:23:43,707 --> 01:23:47,027
Speaker 3: in New Zealand, I highly recommend anyone going to London

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Speaker 3: does that and goes to Twickenham. Come on England and

1536
01:23:50,387 --> 01:23:52,707
Speaker 3: good luck to the All Blacks. Thanks John, good to

1537
01:23:52,747 --> 01:23:55,627
Speaker 3: hear from you. Thanks for your text line of communication

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Speaker 3: open all afternoon, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 3: years our phone number nine two nine to two for

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Speaker 3: text messages. Chris Lendram shortly Emma twigged this hour as

1541
01:24:04,147 --> 01:24:06,347
Speaker 3: well and Jesse Randall out of the All Whites place.

1542
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Speaker 3: That's your latest opportunity to play a sporting chance. This

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Speaker 3: We'll play sporting chants this hour as well, but at

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01:24:24,507 --> 01:24:26,827
Speaker 3: eight past two, as we always do it around about

1549
01:24:26,827 --> 01:24:28,947
Speaker 3: this time on weekend. Sport time to catch you up

1550
01:24:29,627 --> 01:24:33,347
Speaker 3: with a couple of the sporting matters that might have

1551
01:24:33,467 --> 01:24:35,747
Speaker 3: escaped your attention in case you missed it. Starting in

1552
01:24:35,787 --> 01:24:40,027
Speaker 3: the NFL, the New England Patriots are back. They stormed

1553
01:24:40,387 --> 01:24:43,667
Speaker 3: to a twenty seven fourteen win over the Lowly Jets

1554
01:24:44,467 --> 01:24:48,027
Speaker 3: improving their record to nine and two and announcing themselves

1555
01:24:48,107 --> 01:24:50,347
Speaker 3: as contenders. Second and five.

1556
01:24:51,227 --> 01:24:56,067
Speaker 13: Pump fake throws open cart touchdown the hat trick for

1557
01:24:56,227 --> 01:24:59,627
Speaker 13: Henderson three and a half minutes to go, sixty nine.

1558
01:25:00,187 --> 01:25:04,627
Speaker 3: It's six plays to European World Cup qualifying football. We're

1559
01:25:04,667 --> 01:25:08,587
Speaker 3: talking here a surprise with the Republic of Ireland's up

1560
01:25:08,707 --> 01:25:10,307
Speaker 3: ending Portugal to nil.

1561
01:25:10,467 --> 01:25:12,987
Speaker 15: Lifted over the top again, the Irisha plans to.

1562
01:25:13,027 --> 01:25:17,107
Speaker 2: Have planned parrot. Look, if I've been a room.

1563
01:25:17,107 --> 01:25:17,947
Speaker 4: Let one go.

1564
01:25:19,947 --> 01:25:24,307
Speaker 3: Makes it two? Is it too good to be true?

1565
01:25:24,747 --> 01:25:28,427
Speaker 14: No, it is happening here for the Republic of Ireland

1566
01:25:29,147 --> 01:25:30,627
Speaker 14: daily Portugal turnill.

1567
01:25:33,347 --> 01:25:35,267
Speaker 3: I'll just turn my mic back on to Test cricket.

1568
01:25:35,307 --> 01:25:37,307
Speaker 3: It's been all India on the first day of their

1569
01:25:37,307 --> 01:25:40,347
Speaker 3: first cricket teste against South Africa at Kolkata.

1570
01:25:41,627 --> 01:25:48,307
Speaker 13: Where's the Yoka big finger goes up brackets five five

1571
01:25:48,387 --> 01:25:54,507
Speaker 13: for twenty seven to the great Man sixteen times against

1572
01:25:54,507 --> 01:25:59,187
Speaker 13: five at innings, South Africa winning the toss, beciding to backfirst,

1573
01:25:59,747 --> 01:26:01,067
Speaker 13: are bawled out for one.

1574
01:26:01,067 --> 01:26:04,387
Speaker 3: Fifty nine and India finishing the day thirty seven for one.

1575
01:26:04,547 --> 01:26:07,587
Speaker 3: In reply after losing the TS and being asked to

1576
01:26:07,627 --> 01:26:11,267
Speaker 3: bowl first at Eden, Gardens and another great day for

1577
01:26:11,427 --> 01:26:15,787
Speaker 3: Daniel Hillier at the dp World Tour's Grand Final has

1578
01:26:15,867 --> 01:26:18,467
Speaker 3: him on the verge of picking up a PGA Tour

1579
01:26:18,547 --> 01:26:22,787
Speaker 3: card for next year. Now Helio, most guys underad that

1580
01:26:23,507 --> 01:26:26,987
Speaker 3: oh no, nicely read, nicely executed by the Q week

1581
01:26:27,987 --> 01:26:28,707
Speaker 3: explaying well.

1582
01:26:28,707 --> 01:26:29,947
Speaker 2: He played well last week.

1583
01:26:30,067 --> 01:26:33,147
Speaker 3: He's thereabouts again, smiles around.

1584
01:26:33,947 --> 01:26:36,107
Speaker 14: All is good in Daniel Hillier's world.

1585
01:26:37,027 --> 01:26:41,787
Speaker 3: This is to move to mine under palm oh lovely

1586
01:26:41,907 --> 01:26:46,587
Speaker 3: that was traveling, wasn't it. Seven thirty Today.

1587
01:26:47,387 --> 01:26:52,387
Speaker 1: Breaking down the Hail Mary's and the epic fails weekend

1588
01:26:52,427 --> 01:26:55,667
Speaker 1: sport with Jason Vine News Talk zenb.

1589
01:26:55,867 --> 01:26:58,707
Speaker 3: Yeah, great stuff from Daniel Hillier overnight. He's in a

1590
01:26:58,787 --> 01:27:02,427
Speaker 3: tie for second at the tournament, three shots behind the leader,

1591
01:27:02,627 --> 01:27:07,227
Speaker 3: and he will be partnered with Rory mac in the

1592
01:27:07,227 --> 01:27:11,987
Speaker 3: third round. How good is that? It's just just pairs

1593
01:27:11,787 --> 01:27:15,307
Speaker 3: as they as they attack the third round. So bound

1594
01:27:15,347 --> 01:27:18,587
Speaker 3: to be lots of television coverage of Daniel Hillier tonight

1595
01:27:18,667 --> 01:27:24,547
Speaker 3: as he completes his third round alongside Rory McElroy, just

1596
01:27:24,587 --> 01:27:26,947
Speaker 3: three shots off the pace. Who knows, and that PGA

1597
01:27:27,067 --> 01:27:29,947
Speaker 3: Tour card is his if he finishes high and up

1598
01:27:30,027 --> 01:27:33,227
Speaker 3: up the high enough up the field and ahead of

1599
01:27:33,267 --> 01:27:36,667
Speaker 3: the other non exempt golfers in the field who can

1600
01:27:36,707 --> 01:27:38,867
Speaker 3: win their PGA Tour card. It could be that by

1601
01:27:38,867 --> 01:27:41,947
Speaker 3: the end of the weekend he has secured his qualification

1602
01:27:42,027 --> 01:27:43,987
Speaker 3: for the PGA two next year. Big A couple of

1603
01:27:44,067 --> 01:27:48,347
Speaker 3: days coming for Daniel Hillier. Twelve past two. The hunt's

1604
01:27:48,347 --> 01:27:51,347
Speaker 3: on for a new Black Ferns rugby coach. Here go

1605
01:27:51,507 --> 01:27:54,147
Speaker 3: New Zealand again. Close Simons is up on it feet away,

1606
01:27:54,267 --> 01:27:58,707
Speaker 3: goes Lol here stolen away, Canada have got it.

1607
01:28:07,667 --> 01:28:12,747
Speaker 20: Call them underdogs, call them duck horses, No way, call

1608
01:28:12,867 --> 01:28:23,947
Speaker 20: them Rugby World Cup finalists. German and brilliant, ruthless and

1609
01:28:23,987 --> 01:28:26,987
Speaker 20: efficient Jenador are going to.

1610
01:28:26,987 --> 01:28:29,787
Speaker 21: The decider, then into New Zealand's reign.

1611
01:28:30,587 --> 01:28:32,987
Speaker 2: And it is so richly, richly deserved.

1612
01:28:33,307 --> 01:28:36,667
Speaker 3: Yes, New Zealand Rugby has undertaken a review of the

1613
01:28:36,707 --> 01:28:39,787
Speaker 3: Black Ferns program after their third place finish at this

1614
01:28:39,947 --> 01:28:43,307
Speaker 3: year's Rugby World Cup and they will begin a recruitment

1615
01:28:43,347 --> 01:28:46,947
Speaker 3: process for a new Black Fern's head coach. Incumbent Ellen

1616
01:28:47,027 --> 01:28:51,547
Speaker 3: Bunting has confirmed he will not reapply. New Zealand Rugby's

1617
01:28:51,587 --> 01:28:54,707
Speaker 3: General manager of Professional Rugby and Performancest Chris Lendrum who

1618
01:28:54,787 --> 01:28:57,187
Speaker 3: joins us now. Chris, thanks for taking time for us

1619
01:28:57,187 --> 01:28:59,627
Speaker 3: as always, were you always going to go to the

1620
01:28:59,667 --> 01:29:03,267
Speaker 3: market for this role after the Rugby World Cup.

1621
01:29:03,707 --> 01:29:06,907
Speaker 7: Brought a pioneer. Nice to talk to you, Apan. Yeah, look,

1622
01:29:07,307 --> 01:29:09,907
Speaker 7: it was always the plan. I mean, this is a

1623
01:29:09,947 --> 01:29:16,347
Speaker 7: pinnacle team for us. We've obviously had a short Rugby

1624
01:29:16,347 --> 01:29:20,547
Speaker 7: World Cup cycle two and a half years really since

1625
01:29:21,027 --> 01:29:25,187
Speaker 7: the twenty twenty two World Cup, and the plan was

1626
01:29:26,067 --> 01:29:30,587
Speaker 7: we would go to market for the following World Cup cycle.

1627
01:29:31,147 --> 01:29:35,107
Speaker 3: And Ellen indicated to you what during the review process

1628
01:29:35,227 --> 01:29:38,227
Speaker 3: before it, after it, that he wouldn't be reapplying.

1629
01:29:39,867 --> 01:29:43,747
Speaker 7: Yeah, during the process he indicated that he wanted to

1630
01:29:43,747 --> 01:29:48,747
Speaker 7: pull stumps at the end of his conflict. That's a

1631
01:29:48,987 --> 01:29:49,667
Speaker 7: stem that.

1632
01:29:51,107 --> 01:29:51,347
Speaker 9: You know.

1633
01:29:51,547 --> 01:29:54,747
Speaker 7: It's tinged with a little bit of sadness for us

1634
01:29:54,787 --> 01:29:57,867
Speaker 7: because we have such a high regard for the man

1635
01:29:58,307 --> 01:30:05,307
Speaker 7: and his leadership capabilities. He's unique in his very special

1636
01:30:06,907 --> 01:30:11,667
Speaker 7: person with an amazing skill set in terms of growing

1637
01:30:12,147 --> 01:30:21,827
Speaker 7: environments of true authenticity and in performance has proven winner.

1638
01:30:22,467 --> 01:30:26,187
Speaker 7: As I've said to other people over the last twenty

1639
01:30:26,227 --> 01:30:29,507
Speaker 7: four hours. You know, he came for the black fans

1640
01:30:30,067 --> 01:30:33,027
Speaker 7: in twenty two actually as part of a World Cup

1641
01:30:33,067 --> 01:30:36,787
Speaker 7: winning team there, but people will be familiar with all

1642
01:30:36,787 --> 01:30:38,347
Speaker 7: the success that he had with a Black Fern and

1643
01:30:38,427 --> 01:30:42,707
Speaker 7: sevens program before, and you reflect that on the arc

1644
01:30:42,787 --> 01:30:46,947
Speaker 7: of this time in women's rugby has probably been one

1645
01:30:46,987 --> 01:30:51,267
Speaker 7: of the not the pre eminent figure through a period

1646
01:30:51,347 --> 01:30:56,747
Speaker 7: of real growth and professionalization, and we're immensely grateful for

1647
01:30:56,787 --> 01:31:00,827
Speaker 7: everything he's done, you know, And now's the time to

1648
01:31:01,667 --> 01:31:05,307
Speaker 7: chart a new course and we're pretty excited about what

1649
01:31:05,427 --> 01:31:10,827
Speaker 7: comes next over the next four years and excited because

1650
01:31:10,827 --> 01:31:12,867
Speaker 7: we can think we have we can have a real

1651
01:31:12,907 --> 01:31:15,907
Speaker 7: crack at winning the maybe World Cup in twenty twenty nine.

1652
01:31:16,627 --> 01:31:20,227
Speaker 3: Do you have a preferred candidate in mind to replace.

1653
01:31:19,947 --> 01:31:23,787
Speaker 7: Him, No, we don't have a preferred candidate. We're very

1654
01:31:23,867 --> 01:31:29,707
Speaker 7: open minded. We want to see who comes forward through

1655
01:31:29,747 --> 01:31:34,627
Speaker 7: this application process. It's it's a critical role for us.

1656
01:31:34,827 --> 01:31:39,707
Speaker 7: It's a great role. There's wonderful opportunity in front of

1657
01:31:39,747 --> 01:31:43,307
Speaker 7: this team with the new competitions and tournaments in the

1658
01:31:43,347 --> 01:31:48,107
Speaker 7: Lion Series ahead of us in the next four years,

1659
01:31:48,827 --> 01:31:51,987
Speaker 7: and there's a fantastic base of players and staff to

1660
01:31:52,067 --> 01:31:59,427
Speaker 7: work with. The players are absolutely hungry for coaching and knowledge,

1661
01:32:00,307 --> 01:32:07,147
Speaker 7: incredibly coachable group wonderful environment and so IDE's been and

1662
01:32:07,627 --> 01:32:11,587
Speaker 7: so this is just a goal plated opportunity for somebody

1663
01:32:11,627 --> 01:32:14,707
Speaker 7: to get and add to the legacy of the Black

1664
01:32:14,707 --> 01:32:15,427
Speaker 7: Fans Jersey.

1665
01:32:15,987 --> 01:32:17,627
Speaker 3: Do you want it to be another New Zealander.

1666
01:32:20,507 --> 01:32:24,067
Speaker 7: I think it's my preference. I'm just talking personally, probably

1667
01:32:24,107 --> 01:32:28,907
Speaker 7: their pioneer. We open minded as too as to where

1668
01:32:28,947 --> 01:32:35,107
Speaker 7: the coach might hail from. But what's non negotiable is

1669
01:32:35,507 --> 01:32:40,227
Speaker 7: two things. First of all, they have to be able

1670
01:32:40,267 --> 01:32:48,987
Speaker 7: to demonstrate that they can maintain and even enhance the

1671
01:32:50,547 --> 01:32:54,587
Speaker 7: team environment and the fantastic foundation that's been laid by

1672
01:32:55,187 --> 01:32:59,987
Speaker 7: Allen and his management team and the players over the

1673
01:33:00,067 --> 01:33:02,667
Speaker 7: last three years, because we do believe there's been a

1674
01:33:02,667 --> 01:33:08,267
Speaker 7: great foundation laid there. The second requirement is that they

1675
01:33:08,307 --> 01:33:12,667
Speaker 7: take the rugby forward. You know, we didn't achieve our

1676
01:33:12,707 --> 01:33:16,267
Speaker 7: performance goal at Rugby World Cup that everybody could see

1677
01:33:16,267 --> 01:33:21,027
Speaker 7: that the team has flashed its brilliance and we know

1678
01:33:21,227 --> 01:33:25,347
Speaker 7: what we're capable of, but we just haven't seen it

1679
01:33:25,387 --> 01:33:27,307
Speaker 7: all click quite as much as we.

1680
01:33:27,227 --> 01:33:28,107
Speaker 5: Would want to.

1681
01:33:28,387 --> 01:33:30,547
Speaker 7: And we have to be honest with ourselves about that,

1682
01:33:31,827 --> 01:33:35,107
Speaker 7: and mouse the opportunity for a coaching group to come

1683
01:33:35,107 --> 01:33:36,147
Speaker 7: together and.

1684
01:33:38,107 --> 01:33:40,627
Speaker 3: Take us to the next level, and your press release

1685
01:33:40,667 --> 01:33:43,227
Speaker 3: you said that it's your intention to have the role

1686
01:33:43,307 --> 01:33:49,067
Speaker 3: filled by Christmas. It's mid November. That seems optimistic. Is

1687
01:33:49,107 --> 01:33:49,867
Speaker 3: it realistic?

1688
01:33:51,907 --> 01:33:55,507
Speaker 7: I think it's realistic. It's a practicality that we all

1689
01:33:55,587 --> 01:33:59,027
Speaker 7: keeps turning. Our Black fans will be in camp late January,

1690
01:33:59,027 --> 01:34:02,707
Speaker 7: early February, starting to get ready for the pack for

1691
01:34:03,387 --> 01:34:06,307
Speaker 7: torn them up against Australia, Canada and the United State,

1692
01:34:07,467 --> 01:34:10,227
Speaker 7: which is in April. So we need to keep moving.

1693
01:34:10,467 --> 01:34:13,027
Speaker 7: We want to confirm the rest of the coaching and

1694
01:34:13,067 --> 01:34:19,587
Speaker 7: management staff around that appointment, and so we'll see. Yeah,

1695
01:34:19,747 --> 01:34:22,027
Speaker 7: I mean you might say it's an ambitious timeline. We

1696
01:34:22,107 --> 01:34:27,627
Speaker 7: think it's definitely doable. But you know, we couldn't find

1697
01:34:27,627 --> 01:34:31,347
Speaker 7: the right candidate for whatever reason, and I don't expect

1698
01:34:31,387 --> 01:34:33,707
Speaker 7: that to be the case. But if we can't, then

1699
01:34:33,747 --> 01:34:35,027
Speaker 7: we would take stock.

1700
01:34:35,547 --> 01:34:38,427
Speaker 3: I guess with any appointment like this, it's natural to

1701
01:34:38,427 --> 01:34:42,707
Speaker 3: look at those who are coaching at the elite level

1702
01:34:42,747 --> 01:34:44,947
Speaker 3: and you you know, you go to Super Rugby, Opicky

1703
01:34:44,987 --> 01:34:47,067
Speaker 3: and look at some of the coaches who are applying

1704
01:34:47,107 --> 01:34:49,147
Speaker 3: their trade there. Do you believe there to be a

1705
01:34:49,147 --> 01:34:53,067
Speaker 3: pool of candidates within Super Rugby, Opicky coaching circles, who

1706
01:34:53,147 --> 01:34:55,827
Speaker 3: might you be tempted to apply for this role?

1707
01:34:58,067 --> 01:35:02,867
Speaker 7: I certainly hope. So, I mean you look at the

1708
01:35:03,067 --> 01:35:05,307
Speaker 7: likes of a Willie Walker, who took the blacks and

1709
01:35:05,347 --> 01:35:11,147
Speaker 7: fifteen this year. Obviously, Whitney Hanson who's been around the

1710
01:35:11,147 --> 01:35:15,547
Speaker 7: Black Friend's environments previously. She was with with the team

1711
01:35:15,627 --> 01:35:19,907
Speaker 7: and twenty twenty two at the World Cup, and has

1712
01:35:19,947 --> 01:35:23,507
Speaker 7: been leading and doing a great job at Matter two

1713
01:35:24,307 --> 01:35:28,907
Speaker 7: over the past few years. So you know, those about

1714
01:35:28,947 --> 01:35:32,227
Speaker 7: a couple of names as other senior coaches around the Traps.

1715
01:35:32,267 --> 01:35:36,587
Speaker 7: And we also know when you think about compiling a

1716
01:35:36,707 --> 01:35:40,907
Speaker 7: team of coaches that there's there's other young players in

1717
01:35:41,707 --> 01:35:45,907
Speaker 7: or players coming to the end of their playing careers

1718
01:35:46,027 --> 01:35:48,347
Speaker 7: or who have just finished their playing careers and who

1719
01:35:48,387 --> 01:35:53,187
Speaker 7: are transitioning into coaching who, whether or not with this team,

1720
01:35:53,587 --> 01:35:55,867
Speaker 7: you know, have an opportunity to grow in the passway

1721
01:35:56,187 --> 01:35:58,387
Speaker 7: in some of those other areas, whether at Taipiki or

1722
01:35:58,467 --> 01:36:04,907
Speaker 7: Black Friend fifteen or play Friend seven. So we're pretty excited.

1723
01:36:06,067 --> 01:36:09,307
Speaker 7: As a said, it's a great role. We may be

1724
01:36:09,427 --> 01:36:14,627
Speaker 7: surprised by who applies, and if so, that'll be exciting too.

1725
01:36:15,027 --> 01:36:18,347
Speaker 3: And you said before that it's imperative that whoever comes

1726
01:36:18,387 --> 01:36:21,147
Speaker 3: in grows the team in terms of the way they

1727
01:36:21,187 --> 01:36:25,547
Speaker 3: play the game. What are the things that you think

1728
01:36:25,587 --> 01:36:29,147
Speaker 3: are required there, Chris. You know we've seen England and

1729
01:36:29,187 --> 01:36:32,307
Speaker 3: how they've jumped their head. You know of the chasing pack.

1730
01:36:32,747 --> 01:36:36,187
Speaker 3: Other nations have developed, the likes of Canada and others.

1731
01:36:36,587 --> 01:36:38,907
Speaker 3: What do you want to see need to see from

1732
01:36:38,947 --> 01:36:41,787
Speaker 3: the black Ferns to get us back up to that

1733
01:36:42,467 --> 01:36:43,067
Speaker 3: top table.

1734
01:36:45,147 --> 01:36:49,467
Speaker 7: There's an element pioneer that's learned by doing here. We

1735
01:36:50,147 --> 01:36:54,987
Speaker 7: haven't played enough rugby in the past three years. That's

1736
01:36:55,267 --> 01:37:01,547
Speaker 7: one of the scenes coming back from the review. We

1737
01:37:01,627 --> 01:37:05,107
Speaker 7: need more games. We need more opportunity for our players

1738
01:37:05,187 --> 01:37:10,667
Speaker 7: to back to executing their skills under pressure in chaotic

1739
01:37:10,787 --> 01:37:15,027
Speaker 7: environments when you've got fifteen other people deliberately trying to mess.

1740
01:37:14,827 --> 01:37:15,307
Speaker 18: You up.

1741
01:37:16,907 --> 01:37:22,707
Speaker 7: And the ball numbers are We've played less test matches

1742
01:37:22,867 --> 01:37:26,867
Speaker 7: than in the last three years than our main competitors England,

1743
01:37:26,907 --> 01:37:32,787
Speaker 7: France and Canada. The global calendar changes in twenty twenty

1744
01:37:32,827 --> 01:37:37,027
Speaker 7: six and we fix that problem. At international level. We're

1745
01:37:37,067 --> 01:37:42,707
Speaker 7: still playing less rugby and super rugby opicky than for example,

1746
01:37:42,707 --> 01:37:48,227
Speaker 7: in the PWR competition in England, but big Steamer is

1747
01:37:48,267 --> 01:37:58,827
Speaker 7: about more more purposeful buying and just practicing those skill sets,

1748
01:37:59,347 --> 01:38:04,907
Speaker 7: decision making under pressure and again better opposition, and we're

1749
01:38:04,907 --> 01:38:06,947
Speaker 7: going to have the opportunity to do that all right.

1750
01:38:06,987 --> 01:38:08,667
Speaker 3: Well, hopefully by the time you hang the phone up,

1751
01:38:08,827 --> 01:38:11,467
Speaker 3: a couple of applications will have arrived in your own

1752
01:38:11,467 --> 01:38:14,267
Speaker 3: box and it'll be a popular It'll be a popular

1753
01:38:14,787 --> 01:38:17,867
Speaker 3: proposition for a lot of people. So we look forward

1754
01:38:17,867 --> 01:38:20,307
Speaker 3: to tracking progress on that and maybe catching up before

1755
01:38:20,387 --> 01:38:24,107
Speaker 3: Christmas when you've got an announcement to make hundred percent.

1756
01:38:24,147 --> 01:38:27,107
Speaker 7: Would love to do that, and yes, I say so.

1757
01:38:27,267 --> 01:38:31,667
Speaker 7: People who are listening to you today and thinking about applying,

1758
01:38:32,147 --> 01:38:33,867
Speaker 7: I would encourage you to do so. You know, this

1759
01:38:34,067 --> 01:38:40,347
Speaker 7: was a special special team, in a special role in

1760
01:38:40,627 --> 01:38:42,947
Speaker 7: a group that's some pretty good art and just ready

1761
01:38:42,947 --> 01:38:46,267
Speaker 7: to launch. So that's the exciting part of the next

1762
01:38:46,307 --> 01:38:46,747
Speaker 7: few years.

1763
01:38:46,787 --> 01:38:47,107
Speaker 2: Pony.

1764
01:38:47,227 --> 01:38:49,707
Speaker 3: Always appreciate chadding to you, Chris, thanks for taking the

1765
01:38:49,707 --> 01:38:50,067
Speaker 3: time this.

1766
01:38:50,067 --> 01:38:52,507
Speaker 7: Afternoon, Vision mate, have a nice weekend.

1767
01:38:52,547 --> 01:38:54,747
Speaker 3: You have a nice weekend too, Chris. Thanks indeed, Chris Lendrum.

1768
01:38:54,827 --> 01:38:59,627
Speaker 3: There the search is on for a new black Fern's coach.

1769
01:38:59,907 --> 01:39:02,387
Speaker 3: New Zealand Rugby's general manager of a professional Rugby and Performance.

1770
01:39:02,467 --> 01:39:03,987
Speaker 3: Chris lendrom Awa was good to have them on the show.

1771
01:39:04,067 --> 01:39:06,827
Speaker 3: So there you go, you can apply. I see it's

1772
01:39:07,427 --> 01:39:10,147
Speaker 3: they're taking applications through the website. I know it's a

1773
01:39:10,187 --> 01:39:14,427
Speaker 3: niche position. Very interesting to see who they come up with.

1774
01:39:14,467 --> 01:39:16,267
Speaker 3: I would love to see Whitney Hanson given a go.

1775
01:39:16,387 --> 01:39:19,147
Speaker 3: I must say, I think she's done terrific work at

1776
01:39:19,227 --> 01:39:22,867
Speaker 3: Matatu these last few years. Just seems as though she

1777
01:39:22,947 --> 01:39:25,387
Speaker 3: might be ready to take that next step. A lot

1778
01:39:25,427 --> 01:39:27,107
Speaker 3: of mail around about Willie Walker at the Blues. Of

1779
01:39:27,147 --> 01:39:32,347
Speaker 3: course he's done brilliantly. A few texts essay that Wayne

1780
01:39:32,347 --> 01:39:34,667
Speaker 3: Smith is the man we need back in there. Look,

1781
01:39:34,667 --> 01:39:39,227
Speaker 3: I'm not sure whether he would have the inclination to reapply.

1782
01:39:39,307 --> 01:39:41,307
Speaker 3: I think he was sort of won and done in

1783
01:39:41,387 --> 01:39:44,027
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one when he came in and did such

1784
01:39:44,067 --> 01:39:47,787
Speaker 3: amazing work. Twenty twenty two, twenty twenty two, whenever it

1785
01:39:47,907 --> 01:39:52,467
Speaker 3: was when the Black Ferns won twenty twenty two. I

1786
01:39:52,467 --> 01:39:54,747
Speaker 3: don't think Wayne Smith would have the appetite to take

1787
01:39:54,787 --> 01:39:56,787
Speaker 3: it on because you'd have to commit to the next

1788
01:39:56,867 --> 01:40:00,707
Speaker 3: Rugby World Cup cycle, right, Fozzy and the Ferns has

1789
01:40:00,747 --> 01:40:04,427
Speaker 3: a bit of a ring to it says Stephen, Well,

1790
01:40:04,627 --> 01:40:09,587
Speaker 3: who knows, who knows? Like I say, applications or not applications.

1791
01:40:09,627 --> 01:40:13,267
Speaker 3: But they want to make the appointment before Christmas. It's

1792
01:40:13,307 --> 01:40:15,787
Speaker 3: the fifteenth of November now, so I guess, well, I

1793
01:40:15,827 --> 01:40:17,707
Speaker 3: guess they could keep applications open for a couple of weeks.

1794
01:40:17,787 --> 01:40:21,627
Speaker 3: Run some interviews in the year go Pinty just tuned in,

1795
01:40:21,827 --> 01:40:24,267
Speaker 3: says Gunner. Always good to hear from your gunner. Thanks

1796
01:40:24,267 --> 01:40:26,907
Speaker 3: for sending a text through. Gunner says I'd love the

1797
01:40:26,907 --> 01:40:29,027
Speaker 3: All Blacks to win tomorrow morning, but sadly they won't.

1798
01:40:29,107 --> 01:40:31,267
Speaker 3: A couple of quick points. All Blacks have a real

1799
01:40:31,307 --> 01:40:34,027
Speaker 3: problem on discipline at the moment, especially on defensive pressure,

1800
01:40:34,627 --> 01:40:39,187
Speaker 3: constant penalties eventually leading to yellow cards, and the Poms

1801
01:40:39,227 --> 01:40:41,947
Speaker 3: know that too. We have to let go of this

1802
01:40:42,067 --> 01:40:45,507
Speaker 3: eighty minute dominant performance we're seeking. It's a fantasy. We're

1803
01:40:45,507 --> 01:40:47,067
Speaker 3: doing well to one up to ten minutes at the

1804
01:40:47,067 --> 01:40:49,987
Speaker 3: moment at a time and hoping to win occasional moments

1805
01:40:49,987 --> 01:40:51,787
Speaker 3: to swing momentum our way. And three of the All

1806
01:40:51,787 --> 01:40:54,547
Speaker 3: Blacks forwards rarely have to step up by engaging the

1807
01:40:54,587 --> 01:40:56,947
Speaker 3: Pom's pack for long periods of time. By Mauls and

1808
01:40:56,987 --> 01:40:59,427
Speaker 3: lineout drives. We have to fatigue them to have any chance.

1809
01:40:59,587 --> 01:41:02,587
Speaker 3: But I have been wrong before, says Gunner. Not very often. Gunner,

1810
01:41:02,667 --> 01:41:07,707
Speaker 3: in my experience, not very often. Holland has been proffered

1811
01:41:07,787 --> 01:41:11,307
Speaker 3: as a possible coach of the Black Ferns. Well, he's

1812
01:41:11,307 --> 01:41:16,627
Speaker 3: got international experience now, Jason Holland another one who perhaps

1813
01:41:17,267 --> 01:41:21,307
Speaker 3: might be in the mix. Four the job two twenty five.

1814
01:41:21,307 --> 01:41:23,747
Speaker 3: It's going to take a break, come back and bring

1815
01:41:23,747 --> 01:41:27,467
Speaker 3: Emma Twig into the show. I run out of superlatives

1816
01:41:27,507 --> 01:41:31,427
Speaker 3: to describe Emma Twig. She is on target to go

1817
01:41:31,507 --> 01:41:35,147
Speaker 3: to a sixth Olympic Games in Los Angeles in twenty

1818
01:41:35,187 --> 01:41:38,827
Speaker 3: twenty eight. She's been to the last five as a rower,

1819
01:41:39,227 --> 01:41:42,707
Speaker 3: a flatwater rower and as one medals at the last two,

1820
01:41:42,787 --> 01:41:47,107
Speaker 3: including gold in Tokyo. But now she's shifted her attention

1821
01:41:47,227 --> 01:41:51,307
Speaker 3: to coastal rowing, which makes its debut at the Los

1822
01:41:51,347 --> 01:41:54,427
Speaker 3: Angeles Olympics. We'll explain a bit more about coastal rowing

1823
01:41:54,707 --> 01:41:57,387
Speaker 3: and how Emma Twigg became a world champion a week

1824
01:41:57,507 --> 01:41:59,987
Speaker 3: or so ago when she joins us on Weekend Sport

1825
01:41:59,987 --> 01:42:00,427
Speaker 3: after this.

1826
01:42:01,467 --> 01:42:04,987
Speaker 1: Those Voice of Sport on your home of Sport Weekend

1827
01:42:05,067 --> 01:42:09,147
Speaker 1: Sport with Jason Vye GJ Gunn Homes New Zealand's most

1828
01:42:09,147 --> 01:42:11,187
Speaker 1: trusted oh Builder News Talks ATV.

1829
01:42:11,827 --> 01:42:16,027
Speaker 3: News Talks two to twenty eight. Superhuman Kiwi rower Emma

1830
01:42:16,147 --> 01:42:19,507
Speaker 3: Twig is on track for US sixth Olympic Games. She

1831
01:42:19,667 --> 01:42:23,547
Speaker 3: became a world champion in the women's solo event at

1832
01:42:23,547 --> 01:42:27,827
Speaker 3: the World Rowing Beach Sprint Finals in Turkey last weekend.

1833
01:42:28,627 --> 01:42:32,227
Speaker 22: She's taking her chances when looking over US older to

1834
01:42:32,387 --> 01:42:34,147
Speaker 22: manage where that Flali boy is.

1835
01:42:34,347 --> 01:42:36,107
Speaker 21: Well, they've only got one Athley.

1836
01:42:35,947 --> 01:42:39,387
Speaker 22: Left in this world. Rumsey's been finals, but what athly

1837
01:42:39,627 --> 01:42:42,347
Speaker 22: is enough to be crown champion.

1838
01:42:41,907 --> 01:42:42,587
Speaker 16: Of the world.

1839
01:42:44,507 --> 01:42:48,747
Speaker 3: Having competed at the last five Olympic Games in flatwater rowing,

1840
01:42:48,747 --> 01:42:52,147
Speaker 3: winning golden Tokyo and twenty twenty one and silver in

1841
01:42:52,267 --> 01:42:55,547
Speaker 3: Paris in twenty twenty four, Emma Twig is on track

1842
01:42:55,627 --> 01:43:00,107
Speaker 3: to represent US in coastal rowing in La twenty twenty eight,

1843
01:43:00,147 --> 01:43:02,867
Speaker 3: with the event being included in the Games for the

1844
01:43:02,987 --> 01:43:05,947
Speaker 3: very first time. Emma Twig is with us. Congratulations Emma

1845
01:43:05,987 --> 01:43:09,507
Speaker 3: on your when in Turkey. Did you expect to become

1846
01:43:09,987 --> 01:43:11,427
Speaker 3: a world champion this year?

1847
01:43:12,227 --> 01:43:13,147
Speaker 19: To be honest, I didn't.

1848
01:43:13,187 --> 01:43:15,787
Speaker 21: It's been a bit of a rough year in and

1849
01:43:15,827 --> 01:43:18,347
Speaker 21: out of the boat, so to come away with a

1850
01:43:18,507 --> 01:43:21,667
Speaker 21: world title was pretty unexpected. But you know, you've got

1851
01:43:21,707 --> 01:43:23,227
Speaker 21: to take the winds when they come your way.

1852
01:43:23,507 --> 01:43:26,907
Speaker 3: What were the challenges that you've faced in twenty twenty five.

1853
01:43:28,227 --> 01:43:31,347
Speaker 21: Oh, I've had all sorts of kind of illness and injury.

1854
01:43:31,987 --> 01:43:34,067
Speaker 21: I had a bit of dingy fever after a little

1855
01:43:34,107 --> 01:43:37,027
Speaker 21: bit of a holiday to Ratonga, and then not long

1856
01:43:37,067 --> 01:43:39,387
Speaker 21: before leaving, I had a bit of a flex or issue.

1857
01:43:39,427 --> 01:43:41,827
Speaker 21: So the old bod is literally an old bod hanging

1858
01:43:41,867 --> 01:43:44,787
Speaker 21: on for dear life. And yeah, just it all seemed

1859
01:43:44,787 --> 01:43:45,867
Speaker 21: to come together in Turkey.

1860
01:43:45,947 --> 01:43:48,547
Speaker 3: Yeah, well it seems to still be doing the job.

1861
01:43:48,867 --> 01:43:52,187
Speaker 3: Tell us about the specifics of your event. How long's

1862
01:43:52,227 --> 01:43:53,947
Speaker 3: the race, how is it structured?

1863
01:43:54,947 --> 01:43:56,267
Speaker 19: Yes, it's a really cool event.

1864
01:43:56,307 --> 01:43:58,627
Speaker 21: It's a new la, new discipline, never been at the

1865
01:43:58,667 --> 01:44:01,707
Speaker 21: Olympics before. Basically World rowing have decided that they need

1866
01:44:01,747 --> 01:44:03,627
Speaker 21: to get more eyes on the sport and kind of

1867
01:44:03,627 --> 01:44:07,147
Speaker 21: diversify and make it a bit more exciting. Beach sprints

1868
01:44:07,267 --> 01:44:10,107
Speaker 21: was kind of concocted, I guess about three years ago.

1869
01:44:10,747 --> 01:44:12,707
Speaker 21: It's a bit like the BMX or kind of t

1870
01:44:12,707 --> 01:44:16,107
Speaker 21: twenty of cricket they've shortened the race to turn five

1871
01:44:16,187 --> 01:44:18,587
Speaker 21: hundred meter race two hundred and fifty meters out around

1872
01:44:18,867 --> 01:44:21,747
Speaker 21: a turning boy one hundred and eighty degree turned back

1873
01:44:21,787 --> 01:44:24,227
Speaker 21: to the beach. You've got to run down the beach,

1874
01:44:24,387 --> 01:44:27,667
Speaker 21: jump into a boat, go through a slalom course, and

1875
01:44:27,747 --> 01:44:30,307
Speaker 21: then obviously navigate your way back to the beach, jump

1876
01:44:30,307 --> 01:44:31,787
Speaker 21: out of the boat, and run up and jump on

1877
01:44:31,787 --> 01:44:32,187
Speaker 21: a buzzer.

1878
01:44:32,267 --> 01:44:33,227
Speaker 19: So there's a lot that.

1879
01:44:33,147 --> 01:44:36,267
Speaker 21: Can go wrong, but that makes it really exciting. And

1880
01:44:36,307 --> 01:44:38,867
Speaker 21: it's essentially done in kind of like an amphitheaterst style

1881
01:44:39,507 --> 01:44:43,307
Speaker 21: stadium and you're sitting watching the entire race unfold right

1882
01:44:43,347 --> 01:44:44,627
Speaker 21: in front of you, So it's pretty cool.

1883
01:44:44,867 --> 01:44:47,187
Speaker 3: So how long does each race take?

1884
01:44:48,627 --> 01:44:50,547
Speaker 21: So it's about a turn and a half to three

1885
01:44:50,587 --> 01:44:53,027
Speaker 21: minute race, depending on you know, with how rough it

1886
01:44:53,147 --> 01:44:55,587
Speaker 21: is and the conditions. One of the races is a

1887
01:44:55,587 --> 01:44:59,227
Speaker 21: time trial format, so it's just slightly longer than the

1888
01:44:59,267 --> 01:45:02,907
Speaker 21: straight head head sprint. So it's about a third of

1889
01:45:02,947 --> 01:45:04,507
Speaker 21: what a normal rowing race would be.

1890
01:45:04,827 --> 01:45:05,187
Speaker 2: Wow.

1891
01:45:05,547 --> 01:45:10,227
Speaker 3: And so it's spacey, as you say, it's a hard out,

1892
01:45:10,547 --> 01:45:14,507
Speaker 3: sort of octane filled version of rowing. How different is

1893
01:45:15,187 --> 01:45:18,867
Speaker 3: coastal rowing compared to rowing on flat water.

1894
01:45:19,787 --> 01:45:23,307
Speaker 21: Yeah, it's pretty drastically different in terms of the actual

1895
01:45:23,467 --> 01:45:26,587
Speaker 21: the stroke that you're taking in the movement. It's very similar.

1896
01:45:26,587 --> 01:45:28,667
Speaker 21: You're still in a rowing boat, but the boats are

1897
01:45:28,667 --> 01:45:32,147
Speaker 21: completely different that a much bigger boat, much heavier. You

1898
01:45:32,227 --> 01:45:34,067
Speaker 21: kind of show up at the regetter and you've got

1899
01:45:34,067 --> 01:45:35,467
Speaker 21: to use what's in front of you, So you get

1900
01:45:35,507 --> 01:45:37,667
Speaker 21: three minutes in between each race to figure out all

1901
01:45:37,707 --> 01:45:40,507
Speaker 21: your settings. You've got people holding the boats for you

1902
01:45:40,587 --> 01:45:44,707
Speaker 21: boat handers. Yeah, so it's just it's a completely different

1903
01:45:45,267 --> 01:45:47,707
Speaker 21: set up in terms of what you're experiencing on the water,

1904
01:45:48,387 --> 01:45:50,907
Speaker 21: and then obviously a different energy system because it's much

1905
01:45:50,987 --> 01:45:53,987
Speaker 21: higher intensity for a short period. But the difference is

1906
01:45:54,147 --> 01:45:56,987
Speaker 21: the thing that makes it similar to the seven minute

1907
01:45:57,067 --> 01:45:59,547
Speaker 21: race and flat water is that you're backing up race

1908
01:45:59,667 --> 01:46:02,467
Speaker 21: after race within ten minutes, so you're doing essentially three

1909
01:46:02,627 --> 01:46:05,707
Speaker 21: races within kind of a twenty minute period. So you

1910
01:46:05,707 --> 01:46:07,867
Speaker 21: still need to set the amount of endurance as well.

1911
01:46:07,907 --> 01:46:10,347
Speaker 3: And of course you're turning as well, which you don't

1912
01:46:10,347 --> 01:46:13,947
Speaker 3: do on flat water. How important is turning at the boy.

1913
01:46:14,547 --> 01:46:16,667
Speaker 21: Yeah, the navigation is massive. You've got to do a

1914
01:46:16,667 --> 01:46:18,387
Speaker 21: slalom out, so you've got to keep your eyes on

1915
01:46:18,427 --> 01:46:20,707
Speaker 21: the boy, and obviously in a rowing boat you're going backwards,

1916
01:46:20,707 --> 01:46:23,307
Speaker 21: so that can be challenging. And then you've got to

1917
01:46:23,307 --> 01:46:25,347
Speaker 21: turn around one hundred and eighty degrees at the top mark,

1918
01:46:25,427 --> 01:46:27,187
Speaker 21: and a lot of that is, you know, forces that

1919
01:46:27,187 --> 01:46:28,907
Speaker 21: we're not used to in a flat water boat. There's

1920
01:46:28,947 --> 01:46:31,027
Speaker 21: a lot of push rather than pull because you're kind

1921
01:46:31,027 --> 01:46:34,147
Speaker 21: of pulling against each arm. I guess to get round

1922
01:46:34,227 --> 01:46:36,067
Speaker 21: around the boy, and then you've got to line the

1923
01:46:36,067 --> 01:46:38,707
Speaker 21: boy up and go the fastest around it that you can.

1924
01:46:38,827 --> 01:46:40,867
Speaker 21: So it can make a massive difference. You can be

1925
01:46:41,147 --> 01:46:43,227
Speaker 21: you know, a link down coming into the boy and

1926
01:46:43,267 --> 01:46:44,707
Speaker 21: then come out of it a lenk up if you

1927
01:46:44,707 --> 01:46:46,067
Speaker 21: get it right and someone gets it wrong.

1928
01:46:46,427 --> 01:46:48,627
Speaker 3: So just for clarity, are you both turning at the

1929
01:46:48,627 --> 01:46:50,747
Speaker 3: same boy or are there two boys out there?

1930
01:46:51,387 --> 01:46:53,907
Speaker 19: So there's the courses at two lanes. It's head not

1931
01:46:54,067 --> 01:46:54,587
Speaker 19: out racing.

1932
01:46:55,427 --> 01:46:57,787
Speaker 21: So there's three boys that line the course, one being

1933
01:46:57,787 --> 01:47:00,067
Speaker 21: the top boy, the middle boys the slalom, and then

1934
01:47:00,107 --> 01:47:02,627
Speaker 21: the start boy. And so you've got two courses side

1935
01:47:02,627 --> 01:47:04,667
Speaker 21: by side. You're racing someone head to head.

1936
01:47:05,307 --> 01:47:07,187
Speaker 3: Are you sort of learning say as you go? Are

1937
01:47:07,227 --> 01:47:08,907
Speaker 3: you picking up things every time you do this?

1938
01:47:09,907 --> 01:47:10,067
Speaker 17: Oh?

1939
01:47:10,147 --> 01:47:13,747
Speaker 21: Absolutely, Like a week before we raced in Turkey. We've

1940
01:47:13,827 --> 01:47:16,307
Speaker 21: kind of been refining how to get into a boat

1941
01:47:16,387 --> 01:47:18,107
Speaker 21: because there's a lot to it. You've got to sprint

1942
01:47:18,147 --> 01:47:19,867
Speaker 21: down the beach, but slow down and then jump in

1943
01:47:19,907 --> 01:47:21,707
Speaker 21: a boat and you've got a moving seat and there's

1944
01:47:21,827 --> 01:47:24,187
Speaker 21: just a lot going on. So we've been watching what

1945
01:47:24,227 --> 01:47:25,907
Speaker 21: the rest of the world has been doing, and we're

1946
01:47:25,987 --> 01:47:28,587
Speaker 21: a little bit of a disadvantage because the Europeans get

1947
01:47:28,587 --> 01:47:30,747
Speaker 21: to race a bit more than we do, so there's

1948
01:47:30,747 --> 01:47:32,987
Speaker 21: a lot of video analysis going on of what our

1949
01:47:32,987 --> 01:47:36,027
Speaker 21: competitors are doing. And we essentially taught ourselves a little

1950
01:47:36,067 --> 01:47:39,787
Speaker 21: bunny hot really before this regetter, so there's a lot

1951
01:47:39,787 --> 01:47:41,187
Speaker 21: of low hanging fruit.

1952
01:47:40,987 --> 01:47:44,027
Speaker 3: For us to still find brilliant. So have you committed

1953
01:47:44,067 --> 01:47:47,467
Speaker 3: Emma to La twenty twenty eight.

1954
01:47:48,787 --> 01:47:50,627
Speaker 21: In a sense, I guess I have. I've committed to

1955
01:47:51,467 --> 01:47:54,747
Speaker 21: keep obviously pushing the boundaries.

1956
01:47:54,867 --> 01:47:56,067
Speaker 3: My aim of.

1957
01:47:56,467 --> 01:47:58,347
Speaker 21: Starting in the sport was to kind of, I guess,

1958
01:47:58,347 --> 01:48:00,867
Speaker 21: reinvigorate and do something a bit different and something that

1959
01:48:00,907 --> 01:48:04,307
Speaker 21: was a bit challenging, and it's worked out well this year,

1960
01:48:04,347 --> 01:48:06,107
Speaker 21: so I'll give it another go next year. But you know,

1961
01:48:06,147 --> 01:48:09,027
Speaker 21: I hope that more and more people will get into

1962
01:48:09,027 --> 01:48:11,427
Speaker 21: the sport. I think it's got an amazing future and

1963
01:48:11,507 --> 01:48:14,627
Speaker 21: if it's still me winning in LA then I'd love

1964
01:48:14,627 --> 01:48:16,827
Speaker 21: to be there. And equally, if someone has surpassed me

1965
01:48:16,867 --> 01:48:18,427
Speaker 21: by that stage, then that would be a real win

1966
01:48:18,507 --> 01:48:20,667
Speaker 21: for the sport as well. So obviously I'm going to

1967
01:48:20,867 --> 01:48:23,907
Speaker 21: try my absolute best, but yeah, we'll see. You know,

1968
01:48:24,027 --> 01:48:25,787
Speaker 21: three years seems to be a long way away. When

1969
01:48:25,787 --> 01:48:27,947
Speaker 21: you're at my age, or.

1970
01:48:27,867 --> 01:48:31,107
Speaker 3: At any age, I would say, do you still get

1971
01:48:31,307 --> 01:48:33,467
Speaker 3: a buzz from the grind of it all? You know

1972
01:48:33,507 --> 01:48:35,107
Speaker 3: that because you can't just jump on the boat and

1973
01:48:35,147 --> 01:48:37,067
Speaker 3: do it, You've still got a train and everything like that.

1974
01:48:37,147 --> 01:48:39,867
Speaker 3: Do you still does that still invigorate you?

1975
01:48:40,907 --> 01:48:41,067
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1976
01:48:41,107 --> 01:48:43,987
Speaker 21: I think the amazing thing about this new eventure for

1977
01:48:44,067 --> 01:48:46,787
Speaker 21: me is that it's the same thing, but it's completely different.

1978
01:48:46,827 --> 01:48:49,387
Speaker 19: So it's for me, you know, spending.

1979
01:48:49,027 --> 01:48:50,787
Speaker 21: Hours and hours in a flat water boat like I

1980
01:48:50,827 --> 01:48:53,067
Speaker 21: have done for the last twenty years wasn't really appealing,

1981
01:48:53,467 --> 01:48:56,347
Speaker 21: but this is a different kind of energy system. I've

1982
01:48:56,347 --> 01:48:58,387
Speaker 21: been able to do lots on the erg and on

1983
01:48:58,387 --> 01:49:00,187
Speaker 21: a bike and in the gym and just be surrounded

1984
01:49:00,227 --> 01:49:02,707
Speaker 21: by different people and then adding the elements of the

1985
01:49:02,707 --> 01:49:03,787
Speaker 21: ocean and being by.

1986
01:49:03,667 --> 01:49:05,427
Speaker 19: The sea and bigger boats.

1987
01:49:05,427 --> 01:49:08,347
Speaker 21: It's just it's really kind of I guess it's extended

1988
01:49:08,387 --> 01:49:10,227
Speaker 21: my career in a way that I never thought would

1989
01:49:10,267 --> 01:49:12,947
Speaker 21: be possible, and I'm loving it. So while I'm loving it,

1990
01:49:13,107 --> 01:49:13,987
Speaker 21: I'll keep chipping away.

1991
01:49:14,267 --> 01:49:16,147
Speaker 3: How long is the actual sort of sprinting on the

1992
01:49:16,187 --> 01:49:19,667
Speaker 3: sand but at each end of the race, Oh.

1993
01:49:19,387 --> 01:49:20,027
Speaker 19: Not very long.

1994
01:49:20,147 --> 01:49:22,587
Speaker 21: It's enough to get up to speed and then have

1995
01:49:22,627 --> 01:49:26,267
Speaker 21: to slow down again, So it's probably I think the limit.

1996
01:49:26,027 --> 01:49:27,507
Speaker 19: They can have is about fifty meters.

1997
01:49:27,787 --> 01:49:28,187
Speaker 3: Yea, thank you.

1998
01:49:28,467 --> 01:49:31,547
Speaker 21: I'm definitely not calling upon Zoe Hobbs for for any

1999
01:49:31,627 --> 01:49:35,787
Speaker 21: kind of long distance sprinting, but yeah, a few.

2000
01:49:35,547 --> 01:49:36,667
Speaker 19: Pointers wouldn't go astray.

2001
01:49:37,187 --> 01:49:39,747
Speaker 3: Amazing. Well, it was just awesome watching you become a

2002
01:49:39,747 --> 01:49:42,627
Speaker 3: world champion in Turkey last weekend, Emma, and great to

2003
01:49:42,667 --> 01:49:44,587
Speaker 3: know that it's something that at least you'll be giving

2004
01:49:44,627 --> 01:49:46,307
Speaker 3: a bit of dedication to over the next little while

2005
01:49:46,307 --> 01:49:48,267
Speaker 3: to see where it takes you. So are you going

2006
01:49:48,347 --> 01:49:50,307
Speaker 3: to get a break over the summer or actually is

2007
01:49:50,347 --> 01:49:53,147
Speaker 3: summer kind of in season for you? What will the

2008
01:49:53,147 --> 01:49:53,987
Speaker 3: next few months hold?

2009
01:49:54,827 --> 01:49:55,027
Speaker 13: Yeah?

2010
01:49:55,027 --> 01:49:57,587
Speaker 21: Well, we've actually got a five a series of five

2011
01:49:57,627 --> 01:50:01,107
Speaker 21: regattas new this year for Beach Sprints and that kicks

2012
01:50:01,107 --> 01:50:01,867
Speaker 21: off in a week or so.

2013
01:50:02,067 --> 01:50:03,987
Speaker 19: I won't be doing the first one, but I hope

2014
01:50:03,987 --> 01:50:07,827
Speaker 19: to get to the rest. And yeah, a balance of just.

2015
01:50:08,107 --> 01:50:11,267
Speaker 21: Having some time with my son and now coming having

2016
01:50:11,307 --> 01:50:13,747
Speaker 21: been away for a couple of weeks and enjoying the summer.

2017
01:50:13,787 --> 01:50:16,147
Speaker 21: But yeah, now I guess we've got a goal of

2018
01:50:16,627 --> 01:50:19,067
Speaker 21: the next World champcesor in China, so it will be

2019
01:50:19,067 --> 01:50:20,267
Speaker 21: interesting outstanding.

2020
01:50:20,307 --> 01:50:22,827
Speaker 3: Well again, congratulations Emma, thank you for joining us, and

2021
01:50:22,867 --> 01:50:24,107
Speaker 3: all the best for the next little while.

2022
01:50:24,187 --> 01:50:24,867
Speaker 19: Thanks so much.

2023
01:50:25,027 --> 01:50:28,787
Speaker 3: It's Emma Twig world champion and the women's solo event

2024
01:50:28,827 --> 01:50:32,107
Speaker 3: at the World Rome Beach Sprint Finals and Turkey last weekend.

2025
01:50:32,187 --> 01:50:35,187
Speaker 3: Yet it's a new and very exciting form of rowing

2026
01:50:35,227 --> 01:50:38,347
Speaker 3: which will make its Olympic debut in Los Angeles and

2027
01:50:38,427 --> 01:50:40,307
Speaker 3: twenty twenty eight. And well, by the sounds of it,

2028
01:50:40,347 --> 01:50:43,547
Speaker 3: Emma Twig is very very keen to be our representative.

2029
01:50:43,587 --> 01:50:46,227
Speaker 3: Interesting to hear say that as well, and very Emma

2030
01:50:46,267 --> 01:50:48,787
Speaker 3: twigged this. Look, if it's me, great, If it's not,

2031
01:50:48,827 --> 01:50:51,387
Speaker 3: then that's great for the sport. It'll have to be

2032
01:50:51,467 --> 01:50:56,227
Speaker 3: some fairly talented athlete who knocks Emma Twig off that perch.

2033
01:50:56,307 --> 01:51:00,067
Speaker 3: I would imagine twenty two away from three, you're going

2034
01:51:00,107 --> 01:51:01,947
Speaker 3: to get you inside the All Whites camp shortly. They're

2035
01:51:01,947 --> 01:51:04,427
Speaker 3: in the United States at the moment. They play Columbia

2036
01:51:04,507 --> 01:51:07,427
Speaker 3: tomorrow in Florida. Jesse Ran, I'm not going to chat

2037
01:51:07,467 --> 01:51:10,987
Speaker 3: to us very shortly, but time to play a sporting

2038
01:51:11,107 --> 01:51:15,187
Speaker 3: chance with the tab. If you're new to this, I'm

2039
01:51:15,187 --> 01:51:18,187
Speaker 3: going to offer you the choice of three bets short,

2040
01:51:18,347 --> 01:51:21,667
Speaker 3: evens or long. You decide which one you want to choose.

2041
01:51:22,187 --> 01:51:25,227
Speaker 3: We'll place a one hundred and fifty dollars bonus bet

2042
01:51:25,347 --> 01:51:28,627
Speaker 3: on your behalf. If that bet comes home, the winnings

2043
01:51:28,667 --> 01:51:31,427
Speaker 3: minus the initial one fifty, of course, are yours. You've

2044
01:51:31,427 --> 01:51:33,427
Speaker 3: got to be over eighteen. That's all. If you want

2045
01:51:33,427 --> 01:51:36,467
Speaker 3: to play, call nowt OH eight hundred eighty ten eighty.

2046
01:51:37,507 --> 01:51:40,987
Speaker 1: The Big Issues on and after Fields, Call oh eight

2047
01:51:41,027 --> 01:51:42,147
Speaker 1: hundred eighty ten eighty.

2048
01:51:42,267 --> 01:51:44,067
Speaker 2: Weekend Sport with Jason.

2049
01:51:43,747 --> 01:51:47,347
Speaker 1: Pain and GJ. Gunner homes New Zealand's most trusted home.

2050
01:51:47,387 --> 01:51:51,907
Speaker 1: Milder News talks a BB. It's time for a sporting

2051
01:51:52,027 --> 01:51:54,107
Speaker 1: chance thanks to TB.

2052
01:51:55,107 --> 01:51:59,387
Speaker 3: Indeed, it is a sporting chants with a tab. Greg's

2053
01:51:59,427 --> 01:52:02,187
Speaker 3: gonna play shortly I'm gonna give Greg the choice of

2054
01:52:02,227 --> 01:52:05,747
Speaker 3: three bets short, evens or long. He's going to choose one.

2055
01:52:06,427 --> 01:52:09,027
Speaker 3: Whichever one he chooses will place the bet. If it

2056
01:52:09,067 --> 01:52:11,387
Speaker 3: comes in, we'll take off the one fifty, the initial

2057
01:52:11,387 --> 01:52:14,307
Speaker 3: bonus bet, and give him the rest. Pretty simple concept.

2058
01:52:14,947 --> 01:52:17,947
Speaker 3: You understand how to play Greg, I send it good bye,

2059
01:52:17,947 --> 01:52:20,267
Speaker 3: an he thinks, good man. All right. Here are your

2060
01:52:20,267 --> 01:52:24,787
Speaker 3: three options. Short it's a basketball bet, the distance Darby

2061
01:52:24,907 --> 01:52:28,547
Speaker 3: Defense Optional Special Perth wil Cats, New Zealand Breakers they

2062
01:52:28,587 --> 01:52:31,867
Speaker 3: play tonight. The bet is total points in the game

2063
01:52:32,427 --> 01:52:35,827
Speaker 3: over one hundred and eighty and a half. It's paying

2064
01:52:35,827 --> 01:52:38,867
Speaker 3: a dollar eighty five. You would win one hundred and

2065
01:52:38,987 --> 01:52:43,947
Speaker 3: twenty seven dollars. Fifty That is your short option. Evans

2066
01:52:44,427 --> 01:52:47,707
Speaker 3: is a rugby option. The red hot try scorer is

2067
01:52:47,747 --> 01:52:52,187
Speaker 3: special all blacksby England. It's a powerplay bet Will Jordan

2068
01:52:52,667 --> 01:52:55,787
Speaker 3: or cam Roy guard to score a try at any time,

2069
01:52:56,307 --> 01:52:59,267
Speaker 3: and New Zealand to score twenty five points or more.

2070
01:52:59,947 --> 01:53:03,267
Speaker 3: It's paying three dollars. You would win three hundred dollars.

2071
01:53:04,227 --> 01:53:07,427
Speaker 3: And your long option today Greg is the how good

2072
01:53:07,507 --> 01:53:10,147
Speaker 3: is the view at the top of the Hilllia Special.

2073
01:53:10,267 --> 01:53:13,947
Speaker 3: It's a golf bet. DP World to a Championship. It's

2074
01:53:13,947 --> 01:53:16,947
Speaker 3: for Daniel Hillire to be the leader at the end

2075
01:53:16,987 --> 01:53:20,507
Speaker 3: of the third round tonight. It's paying seventeen dollars. You

2076
01:53:20,547 --> 01:53:23,987
Speaker 3: would win two thousand, four hundred. He is currently just

2077
01:53:24,027 --> 01:53:27,507
Speaker 3: three strokes off the lead, so one hundred and eighty

2078
01:53:27,547 --> 01:53:29,707
Speaker 3: one points some more between the Breakers and the Wildcats

2079
01:53:29,707 --> 01:53:32,907
Speaker 3: to win one twenty seven to fifty oil Jordan or

2080
01:53:32,947 --> 01:53:35,467
Speaker 3: Cam Royguard to score a try and we scored twenty

2081
01:53:35,467 --> 01:53:38,347
Speaker 3: five points and more against England to win three hundred,

2082
01:53:39,147 --> 01:53:41,627
Speaker 3: or Daniel Hillier to be top of the leaderboard after

2083
01:53:41,707 --> 01:53:44,747
Speaker 3: round three of the DP World to a Championship tonight,

2084
01:53:44,907 --> 01:53:46,387
Speaker 3: to win twenty four hundred.

2085
01:53:46,747 --> 01:53:50,067
Speaker 16: What do you like, Greg, Well, Jesus as the last

2086
01:53:50,067 --> 01:53:52,467
Speaker 16: two you sounded pretty good, mate, but you might go

2087
01:53:52,587 --> 01:53:55,587
Speaker 16: for the middle one for Royguard and Jordan to score.

2088
01:53:56,067 --> 01:53:58,147
Speaker 3: And us to get twenty five points. I think it's

2089
01:53:58,147 --> 01:54:00,347
Speaker 3: a good yeah, I can I can see it happening.

2090
01:54:00,507 --> 01:54:02,227
Speaker 3: I mean, will Jordan get to try pretty much every

2091
01:54:02,267 --> 01:54:04,427
Speaker 3: time he plays Cam Roygard's been done to dot down.

2092
01:54:04,707 --> 01:54:07,107
Speaker 3: I reckon we get twenty five points, so look, we'll

2093
01:54:07,147 --> 01:54:09,547
Speaker 3: place that one for you, Greg, and if it comes

2094
01:54:09,547 --> 01:54:11,347
Speaker 3: home three hundred bucks coming your way.

2095
01:54:12,987 --> 01:54:13,747
Speaker 5: Thank you very much.

2096
01:54:13,907 --> 01:54:15,907
Speaker 3: Got on your greg. Hold there just for a second.

2097
01:54:15,907 --> 01:54:18,187
Speaker 3: I'll make sure that Andy's got all your details. Well,

2098
01:54:18,187 --> 01:54:20,227
Speaker 3: place the bet, keep our fingers crossed for you. If

2099
01:54:20,267 --> 01:54:21,867
Speaker 3: you get the result the winnings mine is the one

2100
01:54:21,947 --> 01:54:24,307
Speaker 3: fifty all yours. So that's three hundred dollars on the

2101
01:54:24,347 --> 01:54:26,267
Speaker 3: bet you've placed, and we will do it all again

2102
01:54:26,307 --> 01:54:28,507
Speaker 3: next week thanks to our mates at the TA Beat.

2103
01:54:28,547 --> 01:54:32,347
Speaker 3: As always, please bet responsibly. The All Whites are back

2104
01:54:32,427 --> 01:54:35,987
Speaker 3: in action tomorrow. Here's the Freezer's free kick and it

2105
01:54:36,027 --> 01:54:37,747
Speaker 3: goes across the gold and this is gonna go.

2106
01:54:39,547 --> 01:54:43,947
Speaker 20: It's got it and it's been Sement who's given the

2107
01:54:43,987 --> 01:54:44,827
Speaker 20: All Whites.

2108
01:54:44,507 --> 01:54:45,787
Speaker 19: The lead in Norway.

2109
01:54:45,987 --> 01:54:47,827
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the last time the All Whites played

2110
01:54:48,107 --> 01:54:50,947
Speaker 3: a one will draw with Norway last month. They play

2111
01:54:51,107 --> 01:54:54,787
Speaker 3: Columbia tomorrow afternoon in Florida twenty past one kickoff and

2112
01:54:54,907 --> 01:54:58,507
Speaker 3: Ecuador Wednesday afternoon in New Jersey. Let's bring in All

2113
01:54:58,507 --> 01:55:01,307
Speaker 3: Whites and awklely the FC attack of Jesse Randall. But

2114
01:55:01,387 --> 01:55:04,387
Speaker 3: if a whirl win for you. Jesse, you were called

2115
01:55:04,427 --> 01:55:07,827
Speaker 3: in late to this camp as an injury replacement. You

2116
01:55:07,907 --> 01:55:11,267
Speaker 3: played the derby in Wellington last weekend and what must

2117
01:55:11,267 --> 01:55:13,347
Speaker 3: have found out a short time after that? When did

2118
01:55:13,347 --> 01:55:15,947
Speaker 3: you actually find out that you'd be off to the

2119
01:55:16,027 --> 01:55:16,987
Speaker 3: US with the All Whites?

2120
01:55:18,307 --> 01:55:25,627
Speaker 14: Yeah, funny it was Sunday morning, so yeah, pretty pretty

2121
01:55:25,667 --> 01:55:29,827
Speaker 14: soon after after the derby base called and kind of

2122
01:55:29,827 --> 01:55:32,147
Speaker 14: congratulated me on being called up to the All Whites,

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Speaker 14: And yeah, it came as a bit of a surprise,

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Speaker 14: a bit a nice a nice one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely must have been brilliant. So I'm assuming you'd

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Speaker 3: had a you'd had a bit of a celebration after

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Speaker 3: the win over Wellington, but you are quickly able to

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Speaker 3: sort of reseat yourself and get ready for All Whites duty.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, of course, of course, I'm always always ready to

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Speaker 14: pick up the phone if it's yeah being wrong by bays.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it was.

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Speaker 14: Obviously an unbelievable night for us or can I see

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Speaker 14: players and for the fans, and yeah, the focus quickly

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Speaker 14: switched to the All Whites on Sunday and then getting

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Speaker 14: prepared for my fly on Monday.

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Speaker 3: How happy are you with the way you're playing right now?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 14: I am happy, Yeah, very happy. It's obviously going well.

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Speaker 14: It's going well for me right now. I've been confident

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Speaker 14: in the way I've been playing, and I've got a

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Speaker 14: lot of confidence from the coaches and stuff, and yeah,

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Speaker 14: I think consistent game time across the past few months

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Speaker 14: has give me that confidence. So yeah, I'm happy with

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Speaker 14: how things to god.

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01:56:39,787 --> 01:56:43,227
Speaker 3: Having last season under your belt, a first fall season

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01:56:43,267 --> 01:56:47,547
Speaker 3: with Auckland FC, has that helped coming into your second season.

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Speaker 14: One hundred percent. That experience I've I've got from last

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01:56:54,267 --> 01:56:57,947
Speaker 14: year has definitely helped me understand where I need to

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01:56:57,987 --> 01:57:01,027
Speaker 14: work on particular parts of my game and how I

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01:57:01,067 --> 01:57:05,707
Speaker 14: can kind of impact make an impact in this league

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01:57:05,707 --> 01:57:12,427
Speaker 14: and for Aukland. So yeah, that's that season definitely kind

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01:57:12,427 --> 01:57:13,347
Speaker 14: of set me up for this one.

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Speaker 3: I think you mentioned the word confidence a couple of

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01:57:15,707 --> 01:57:19,347
Speaker 3: times in your previous answer. What gives you that confidence

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01:57:19,347 --> 01:57:22,067
Speaker 3: from the coaching staff? Is Is it the regular game time?

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01:57:22,147 --> 01:57:23,987
Speaker 3: Is it the words of encouragement? Is it what you're

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01:57:23,987 --> 01:57:27,427
Speaker 3: being asked to do? How do you get confidence from

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01:57:27,467 --> 01:57:28,387
Speaker 3: the coaching staff?

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Speaker 14: I think mainly it was from the late preseason, Like

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Speaker 14: I had a lot of minutes and I got a

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01:57:36,467 --> 01:57:41,747
Speaker 14: lot of fitness from those minutes, and I think I

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01:57:41,787 --> 01:57:45,267
Speaker 14: played quite an intense star football with a lot of

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01:57:45,587 --> 01:57:47,507
Speaker 14: a lot of running in the high speed running. So

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01:57:48,907 --> 01:57:52,187
Speaker 14: that fitness kind of gave me that confidence, I guess.

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Speaker 14: But then also knowing I'm being I pretty much started

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01:57:55,067 --> 01:57:58,627
Speaker 14: every game in preseason, so I knew that was a

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01:57:58,667 --> 01:58:00,187
Speaker 14: voted confidence from the coaches to.

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Speaker 3: All right, well into Whites mode. Now, So what have

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01:58:04,347 --> 01:58:06,267
Speaker 3: the last few days been like? Since you were right

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01:58:06,947 --> 01:58:10,227
Speaker 3: and started preparing for first of all Columbia and then

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01:58:10,267 --> 01:58:13,107
Speaker 3: Eckwood or two pretty highly rated sides, what are the

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01:58:13,147 --> 01:58:14,547
Speaker 3: last two or three days been like.

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01:58:15,507 --> 01:58:17,547
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's been kind of just trying to get over

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01:58:17,547 --> 01:58:20,747
Speaker 14: a debt lag to start with, especially for the first

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01:58:20,827 --> 01:58:24,587
Speaker 14: night that I just straight into training. A couple of

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01:58:24,667 --> 01:58:30,467
Speaker 14: days of training. Now get on the grass and yeah,

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Speaker 14: just start preparing for the next few games ahead, and yeah,

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Speaker 14: just get over the jet.

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Speaker 3: If you all watch now, got a way of playing

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01:58:39,027 --> 01:58:40,547
Speaker 3: that even if you miss a window. I mean, you

2181
01:58:40,787 --> 01:58:42,427
Speaker 3: didn't pay that in the last window. Not many A

2182
01:58:42,507 --> 01:58:44,987
Speaker 3: League players got caught up for that window. But is

2183
01:58:45,027 --> 01:58:47,667
Speaker 3: there an all white style now that you're able to

2184
01:58:47,747 --> 01:58:51,107
Speaker 3: sort of slot straight back into every time you come together?

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01:58:52,227 --> 01:58:54,467
Speaker 14: Yeah, for sure. And I think you're you get caught

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01:58:54,507 --> 01:58:59,787
Speaker 14: up pretty quick with the coaching staff and well I've

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01:58:59,827 --> 01:59:03,067
Speaker 14: been in the environment a few times. I think it's

2188
01:59:03,067 --> 01:59:07,947
Speaker 14: my fourth time the last maybe fourteen months. So yeah,

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01:59:07,987 --> 01:59:10,107
Speaker 14: you kind of just even though it's not long, you

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01:59:10,827 --> 01:59:13,427
Speaker 14: you get used to it and you get filled in

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01:59:13,507 --> 01:59:14,947
Speaker 14: pretty quick when you do get back.

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Speaker 3: How do you prepare for matches against such highly rated opposition,

2193
01:59:19,947 --> 01:59:23,187
Speaker 3: you know, games where it's highly likely that that they're

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01:59:23,187 --> 01:59:24,347
Speaker 3: going to have more of the ball than you.

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01:59:25,507 --> 01:59:27,347
Speaker 14: Yeah, I think what you've got to do is just

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Speaker 14: stick to what well, we've got to stick to what

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01:59:32,427 --> 01:59:36,667
Speaker 14: we do in terms of we can't focus on them

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01:59:36,707 --> 01:59:39,667
Speaker 14: too much. We have to remember we are good players

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Speaker 14: as well, and we have to just focus on ourselves

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01:59:43,947 --> 01:59:47,787
Speaker 14: really and continue to play the way we've been playing,

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Speaker 14: as there's been some very good results over the past

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Speaker 14: few windows.

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01:59:54,107 --> 01:59:56,347
Speaker 3: So all five of your caps for New Zealand have

2204
01:59:56,427 --> 01:59:59,027
Speaker 3: been off the bench. That may well be. You know

2205
01:59:59,067 --> 02:00:01,067
Speaker 3: your role on this on this tour as well, but

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Speaker 3: how keen are you to push for a starting spot

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Speaker 3: on this side?

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Speaker 14: Oh yeah, I mean obviously when you play football you

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Speaker 14: want to start. But I know my role on the

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Speaker 14: team and I'm going to try and do my best

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Speaker 14: with whatever all that is, whether that's coming off the

2212
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Speaker 14: bench or starting. I'm just you know, excited to make

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Speaker 14: the most of whatever opportunity I get.

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Speaker 3: And is there an obvious general excitement in the All

2215
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Speaker 3: Whites camp now with what we've got? The World Cup

2216
02:00:30,467 --> 02:00:32,827
Speaker 3: draw coming up in just two or three weeks time,

2217
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Speaker 3: so we're going to find out you know, who New

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Speaker 3: Zealand are up against next year, and then the tournament

2219
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Speaker 3: itself is only about seven months away. So is there

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Speaker 3: an obvious excitement in the All White squad now about

2221
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Speaker 3: the impending World Cup one?

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Speaker 14: It's going to come around the corner pretty quick. I

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Speaker 14: think it's going to be here before we know it.

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Speaker 14: And obviously it's made more real by the fact that

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Speaker 14: where we've got the draw and not long and then

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Speaker 14: there's we're playing Columbia and e could or pretty soon,

2227
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Speaker 14: so two massive nations switch the Whites will probably come

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Speaker 14: up against similar likes to them in the World Cup.

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Speaker 14: So yeah, buzzing to just be around it.

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Speaker 3: And how do you as players balance your own personal

2231
02:01:17,987 --> 02:01:21,667
Speaker 3: aspirations with the team aspirations. I mean, as you said before,

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Speaker 3: everybody wants to play right, not everybody can, but and

2233
02:01:23,947 --> 02:01:26,467
Speaker 3: everybody wants to be on that plane next year. How

2234
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Speaker 3: do you balance, you know, what you want personally with

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Speaker 3: what you want to achieve as a team.

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Speaker 14: Oh, I mean I think the team is the priority.

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Speaker 14: So you kind of just you know, work your hardest

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Speaker 14: in training and put yourself in the best opportunity to

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Speaker 14: put some in the best position, sorry to play in

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Speaker 14: whatever role that you have is just to help the

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Speaker 14: team achieve success.

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Speaker 9: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And do you feel like every time you walk out

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Speaker 3: there in a training session, in any team situation, a

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Speaker 3: game is a training session, whatever it might be, that

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02:02:00,387 --> 02:02:02,867
Speaker 3: you have an opportunity to, you know, to pres your

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Speaker 3: claims to be part of that squad next year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Well of course I go out there and do

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Speaker 14: my best every time, and that's you know, that's all

2251
02:02:13,227 --> 02:02:17,987
Speaker 14: I can ask of myself, and that's something I've been doing.

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02:02:18,267 --> 02:02:20,427
Speaker 14: So yeah, time will tell.

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02:02:20,707 --> 02:02:22,587
Speaker 3: Did Steve Corracer tell you're not to get injured?

2254
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Speaker 14: No, I haven't had any any talks, you know, I

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Speaker 14: think kind of just trying to focus on this for

2256
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Speaker 14: now and then you know that will come around soon enough.

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Speaker 3: Good man, Jesse, Hey, we'll congrats on the call up.

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Speaker 3: I hope to see you out there against one or

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Speaker 3: both of Columbia and Ecuador and back in the A

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Speaker 3: League soon. Really appreciate you taking the time for a chat.

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Speaker 14: Yees pony, thank you.

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Speaker 3: No, thank you mate. That as Jesse rand aloud of

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Speaker 3: the All Whites. They play Columbia tomorrow one thirty New

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Speaker 3: Zealand time kick off and then Ecuador on Wednesday at

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