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Speaker 2: This week the legacy of Ravi Ashwin attributed to the

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Speaker 2: Indian spinning as does he retire as one of the

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Speaker 2: games great as we wait for the champions Trophy and

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Speaker 2: other test matches played on a pitch used previously, we

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Speaker 2: don't know how many times, but it does little to

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Speaker 2: promote the emains of the test game at a time

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Speaker 2: when some of the administrators are planning alterations. Like the

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Speaker 2: taylor who's dealing with my new trousers. I almost got

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Speaker 2: the impression that he was thinking of adjusting me rather

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Speaker 2: than the pants. That's no open season for you, can't

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Speaker 2: you either?

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Speaker 4: No, you're looking good ones your socks.

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Speaker 5: The socks are a bit short, but never mind, pets,

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Speaker 5: you're still growing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very hard to wear them. And John Bracewall has

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Speaker 2: joined us, one of our greatest spin bowlers, and he's

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Speaker 2: going to give us reflection on Ravi Ashvin Brace's Happy

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Speaker 2: new Year to you. I haven't seen you for about

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Speaker 2: four years.

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Speaker 6: No, but remarkably what you look him down so weller

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Speaker 2: Oh, I can change that pretty rapidly, I can assure you.

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Speaker 2: On the front foot. Talking about Ravi Ashton, an Indian

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Speaker 2: writer called him the man who redefined the Indian game

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Speaker 2: and in the end he read the lines after being

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Speaker 2: overlooked and jumping before he was pushed. Perhaps there's one

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Speaker 2: commentator put it he was probably frustrated with the lack

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Speaker 2: of pictures offering spinner's assistance. We don't really know, but

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Speaker 2: one hundred and six Test matches, eighth highest wicket taker

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Speaker 2: five hundred and thirty seven wickets at twenty three graces,

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Speaker 2: does he end the game as one of the greats.

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Speaker 6: Without doubt? I mean, I think he changed the game.

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Speaker 6: I think he took out a lot of the woke

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Speaker 7: On certain services.

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Speaker 6: The only thing that surprised me is that he always

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Speaker 6: got five hundred Test wickets. I was thinking about, you

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Speaker 6: know where this discussion would go, and when I say, iq,

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Speaker 6: I can never remember ravish Ashwyn beating the bat by

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Speaker 6: what that indicates to me was he had the intellect

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Speaker 6: he actually said, well, what if this is going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerry, he was an innovator too, wasn't he. I

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Speaker 2: mean that's what braceis is alluding to to some extent,

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Speaker 4: It wasn't so much as a spinner.

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Speaker 4: It was angles and lengths, It was using the crease.

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Speaker 5: It was different types of flights and where the ball

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Speaker 5: just tell us anything about that? As a person, did

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Speaker 5: I can remember in a test at Eden Park, you

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Speaker 5: Comment about that as a laboratory and working things out

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Speaker 6: I mean, I mean we were. We played in a

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Speaker 6: And because I had quite an orthodox action and a

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Speaker 6: Ashvind is that he did it. He developed all these

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Speaker 6: He developed a technique which was slightly more front on

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Speaker 6: His action was never called into question. And that's kind

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Speaker 6: There was never any question about how he delivered those balls.

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Speaker 6: There's always the mystery of how did you have the

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Speaker 2: The fact you talk about how he developed those skills

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Speaker 2: and you just instanced your bowling to John Reid, how

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Speaker 6: Well, we were kind of owner train of drivers in

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Speaker 6: And so you're getting that mutual feedback almost that query theory,

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Speaker 6: And I became quite a good bowler at left tenders

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Speaker 5: Race. It's interesting you talk about the nets and bowling

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Speaker 5: They're former seamers mainly that maybe right, I don't know,

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Speaker 5: What are the differences about a spin coach if we

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Speaker 5: talk about that. I mean, I don't think we have

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Speaker 5: But that's generally where we see spin playing a bigger

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Speaker 5: investigate flight more. I don't know what are your thoughts

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Speaker 4: Yeah he is.

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Speaker 6: So his job is to communicate with the national coaches

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Speaker 6: how are we developing spin across the board from the

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Speaker 6: be like to a first class bowling program for spinners,

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Speaker 6: you know, so professional bowling program for spin bowlers as well.

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Speaker 6: So that's that's men's and boys and women and men.

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Speaker 6: So I assume that he runs that program. I'm not

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so they go India to learn how.

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Speaker 6: And so I went with that philosophy one because it

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Speaker 6: on runner. I mean I could just feel I was

437
00:26:59,533 --> 00:27:04,093
Speaker 6: in the right place and it got my body into

438
00:27:04,173 --> 00:27:08,253
Speaker 6: position for the pace that I wanted to bowl, uh

439
00:27:08,693 --> 00:27:13,453
Speaker 6: and the balance I needed at the crease. If you

440
00:27:13,533 --> 00:27:16,293
Speaker 6: look at somebody like Nathan Lyon, you know he walks

441
00:27:16,373 --> 00:27:22,733
Speaker 6: for what probably near on seven or eight meters and

442
00:27:22,853 --> 00:27:28,413
Speaker 6: then trots two yards and bolts and gets a lot

443
00:27:28,453 --> 00:27:31,813
Speaker 6: of revs on the wall chained warm. You know, basically

444
00:27:32,373 --> 00:27:36,773
Speaker 6: walked in but had a great turn of his shoulders

445
00:27:38,093 --> 00:27:42,253
Speaker 6: and rotation, but was really big through the shoulders, so

446
00:27:43,093 --> 00:27:49,573
Speaker 6: there's a bit of body shape involved in it, and

447
00:27:49,733 --> 00:27:53,373
Speaker 6: understanding it's not a this is what I do to

448
00:27:53,533 --> 00:27:57,373
Speaker 6: tell just wanders in, doesn't it, and just off a

449
00:27:57,413 --> 00:28:00,733
Speaker 6: few paces, you know, I think that half of a

450
00:28:00,893 --> 00:28:05,693
Speaker 6: satin has run up is observing the batsman, so he

451
00:28:05,773 --> 00:28:09,813
Speaker 6: almost stalks him, as you would say, like Groucho Marx

452
00:28:10,773 --> 00:28:15,093
Speaker 6: the waitress. He's almost got that sort of look about him.

453
00:28:15,133 --> 00:28:21,013
Speaker 6: I'm watching this intently. It suits your body type and

454
00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:24,133
Speaker 6: what rhythm that you need to get from it, and

455
00:28:24,253 --> 00:28:27,653
Speaker 6: it's kind of all coaching is about understanding the individual's

456
00:28:27,693 --> 00:28:33,693
Speaker 6: personality as well. It's not about imposing a technique. It's

457
00:28:33,773 --> 00:28:37,333
Speaker 6: not about imposing a theory. It's about getting to know

458
00:28:37,573 --> 00:28:42,013
Speaker 6: the person. So you're coaching the whole person, how he thinks,

459
00:28:42,493 --> 00:28:45,933
Speaker 6: how he behaves, how he sees the game of cricket.

460
00:28:46,293 --> 00:28:49,293
Speaker 6: Is he an optimist or a pessimist. You can't impose

461
00:28:49,333 --> 00:28:52,213
Speaker 6: optimism on a pessimist, but there is a position for

462
00:28:52,293 --> 00:28:54,733
Speaker 6: a pessimist in game of cricket. Generally it is called

463
00:28:54,773 --> 00:29:00,813
Speaker 6: open the batting's interesting braces.

464
00:29:00,893 --> 00:29:02,733
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time. We look forward

465
00:29:02,773 --> 00:29:06,493
Speaker 2: to perhaps another call from you at some stage.

466
00:29:07,053 --> 00:29:14,573
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks Bank, Thanks mate, Brian Waddell, Jeremy Coney on

467
00:29:14,733 --> 00:29:15,453
Speaker 1: the front foot.

468
00:29:15,653 --> 00:29:18,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, great to have Brace's along. We haven't had him

469
00:29:18,293 --> 00:29:21,933
Speaker 2: on the program previously, Jerry, but he certainly adds an

470
00:29:22,013 --> 00:29:26,893
Speaker 2: understanding of spin bowling, and spinner's probably something that you

471
00:29:27,093 --> 00:29:32,733
Speaker 2: understand and us lesser cricketing brains don't really think about

472
00:29:33,253 --> 00:29:35,973
Speaker 2: those things that often, So it was lovely to hear

473
00:29:36,053 --> 00:29:39,893
Speaker 2: him just articulate that from a spin boler's point of view.

474
00:29:40,293 --> 00:29:42,653
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he's got plenty more to tell us too,

475
00:29:42,733 --> 00:29:45,853
Speaker 5: I think, and and our and our followers to Wadds,

476
00:29:47,413 --> 00:29:50,413
Speaker 5: he's he's had to go through that sort of that

477
00:29:50,573 --> 00:29:55,053
Speaker 5: whole process himself, really coaching himself to be really honest,

478
00:29:55,613 --> 00:29:59,693
Speaker 5: and then as a coach later on coaching people.

479
00:30:00,213 --> 00:30:02,093
Speaker 4: So he's got a lot. He's got a good story

480
00:30:02,653 --> 00:30:05,093
Speaker 4: and it's and it's good to listen to it.

481
00:30:05,173 --> 00:30:08,133
Speaker 5: I personally, I can't wait for spinners to start in

482
00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:10,973
Speaker 5: the this match because I think the game really comes

483
00:30:11,013 --> 00:30:14,933
Speaker 5: alive when you've got different fields and captaincy you see

484
00:30:15,013 --> 00:30:18,853
Speaker 5: involved as well, and batsman attacking and all the whole range.

485
00:30:18,893 --> 00:30:22,893
Speaker 5: Of things, I think, and then the overrate improves all

486
00:30:22,973 --> 00:30:26,973
Speaker 5: those kinds of things. I think it's a very nice

487
00:30:27,013 --> 00:30:29,973
Speaker 5: part of test cricket. So I think there are things

488
00:30:30,013 --> 00:30:31,973
Speaker 5: we can still talk to him about actually, like the

489
00:30:32,053 --> 00:30:33,053
Speaker 5: New Zealand Pathway.

490
00:30:33,613 --> 00:30:36,013
Speaker 4: We should talk to him about that as well. So

491
00:30:36,053 --> 00:30:38,853
Speaker 4: I hope to get him again on the front foot

492
00:30:39,253 --> 00:30:40,653
Speaker 4: with Waddle and Cody.

493
00:30:41,093 --> 00:30:45,973
Speaker 2: Another Spinboller and the aforementioned Paul Wiseman, who was spoken

494
00:30:45,973 --> 00:30:50,573
Speaker 2: about by John Bracewell. He's the director of talent identification

495
00:30:50,693 --> 00:30:54,333
Speaker 2: at the under nineteen level and he's been watching the

496
00:30:54,453 --> 00:30:58,133
Speaker 2: under nineteenth recently. Auckland retained that title after a week

497
00:30:58,173 --> 00:31:01,933
Speaker 2: of quality cricket at Lincoln for that development phase. Wellington

498
00:31:02,053 --> 00:31:04,973
Speaker 2: led into the final round but lost narrowly to Canterbury,

499
00:31:05,253 --> 00:31:08,213
Speaker 2: while Auckland, after a loss against Wellington in round one,

500
00:31:08,893 --> 00:31:12,813
Speaker 2: mustered the consistency needed in tournament play to secure the

501
00:31:12,893 --> 00:31:17,173
Speaker 2: title again over Northern Districts and Wellington. It's a non

502
00:31:17,253 --> 00:31:20,053
Speaker 2: World Cup year but still an important stage of the

503
00:31:20,253 --> 00:31:24,213
Speaker 2: careers of the young players, and Paul Wiseman joins us

504
00:31:24,413 --> 00:31:29,493
Speaker 2: to just tell us about how successful the under nineteen

505
00:31:29,533 --> 00:31:30,093
Speaker 2: tournament was.

506
00:31:30,933 --> 00:31:32,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was.

507
00:31:32,653 --> 00:31:33,053
Speaker 7: I think.

508
00:31:34,653 --> 00:31:38,093
Speaker 3: I don't think it was ever a non successful Under

509
00:31:38,173 --> 00:31:41,893
Speaker 3: nineteen National tournament because you know, we produced some pretty

510
00:31:41,893 --> 00:31:44,213
Speaker 3: amazing facilities for these guys down here. They get to

511
00:31:44,253 --> 00:31:47,693
Speaker 3: play on first class, which is basically on love the

512
00:31:47,773 --> 00:31:52,653
Speaker 3: outfields and untill laid on for them. So if they

513
00:31:52,693 --> 00:31:54,693
Speaker 3: can't get something out of that, then there's something wrong,

514
00:31:54,973 --> 00:31:57,973
Speaker 3: and I think there's a lot going right in that space.

515
00:31:58,173 --> 00:32:00,373
Speaker 3: This year we changed it a little bit. Normally it's

516
00:32:01,293 --> 00:32:05,133
Speaker 3: just white ball formats. This year we're introduced a three

517
00:32:05,213 --> 00:32:08,453
Speaker 3: day game to the tournament, and we played that on

518
00:32:09,333 --> 00:32:11,653
Speaker 3: a used wicket, So we played the first three one

519
00:32:11,733 --> 00:32:14,693
Speaker 3: day games on one pitch and then we stayed on

520
00:32:14,773 --> 00:32:17,453
Speaker 3: the same pitch and played a three day game, hoping

521
00:32:17,493 --> 00:32:21,053
Speaker 3: to bring spin and keepers in closing fields and cataincy

522
00:32:21,133 --> 00:32:23,093
Speaker 3: and batting against spin and all that sort of thing

523
00:32:23,133 --> 00:32:26,573
Speaker 3: into play. So from that perspective, and they have two

524
00:32:26,653 --> 00:32:30,493
Speaker 3: really good type finishes, that was a real success from

525
00:32:30,533 --> 00:32:31,133
Speaker 3: our point of view.

526
00:32:31,373 --> 00:32:33,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's encouraging that that is being done too,

527
00:32:33,853 --> 00:32:36,973
Speaker 2: because it then becomes not about the points and who

528
00:32:37,013 --> 00:32:40,133
Speaker 2: wins the title, but then you see players in different

529
00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:42,733
Speaker 2: situations which normally you might not see.

530
00:32:43,853 --> 00:32:46,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. Look, we've been looking over this

531
00:32:46,333 --> 00:32:49,093
Speaker 3: for a while and there's been a slow and steady

532
00:32:49,173 --> 00:32:51,413
Speaker 3: decline and the amount of Red Bull cricket played it

533
00:32:51,933 --> 00:32:54,333
Speaker 3: at school level and I understand the reasons for that,

534
00:32:56,013 --> 00:33:00,013
Speaker 3: but the skills and the tactical awareness of these players,

535
00:33:00,613 --> 00:33:03,253
Speaker 3: whilst it's really good when you talk about the too

536
00:33:03,333 --> 00:33:05,853
Speaker 3: short formats of the game, there's got the naive when

537
00:33:05,893 --> 00:33:08,533
Speaker 3: it comes to Red Bull cricket. So we have two

538
00:33:08,653 --> 00:33:11,453
Speaker 3: two day games in the under seventeens and we have

539
00:33:12,533 --> 00:33:16,093
Speaker 3: one in one rep well, one three day game in

540
00:33:17,053 --> 00:33:19,733
Speaker 3: under nineteens. We're hoping to have the nearest neighbor as well,

541
00:33:19,773 --> 00:33:22,813
Speaker 3: but budget not in the way of that. So it

542
00:33:22,813 --> 00:33:24,173
Speaker 3: would have been nice to have a home and away

543
00:33:24,173 --> 00:33:26,813
Speaker 3: and then they would have had two three day games.

544
00:33:27,573 --> 00:33:31,893
Speaker 3: And the way we've looked at it is that every

545
00:33:31,933 --> 00:33:33,733
Speaker 3: second year in a World Cup year, it's going to

546
00:33:33,733 --> 00:33:36,053
Speaker 3: be white ball only because that's what the World Cup's about.

547
00:33:36,213 --> 00:33:39,253
Speaker 3: But it sort of means that our best seventeams tend

548
00:33:39,333 --> 00:33:42,533
Speaker 3: to be in the under nineteens at under eighteen level,

549
00:33:43,333 --> 00:33:45,853
Speaker 3: so they should get at least one set of two

550
00:33:45,973 --> 00:33:50,453
Speaker 3: day games in seventeens or at least one sentence a

551
00:33:50,693 --> 00:33:54,173
Speaker 3: three day game in the under nineteen. So just what

552
00:33:54,253 --> 00:33:56,773
Speaker 3: it also means is the ems that we're bringing these

553
00:33:56,813 --> 00:34:00,733
Speaker 3: players down don't just focus solely on white balls. They've

554
00:34:00,733 --> 00:34:03,253
Speaker 3: actually got to train with these guys leading into it

555
00:34:03,333 --> 00:34:04,973
Speaker 3: in the red ball and they tend to have, you know,

556
00:34:05,693 --> 00:34:08,213
Speaker 3: in house games or nearest neighbor games and things like that.

557
00:34:08,493 --> 00:34:11,733
Speaker 3: So just making sure that we're keeping the red ball

558
00:34:11,733 --> 00:34:13,613
Speaker 3: alive because at the moment on the world scene it's

559
00:34:14,173 --> 00:34:16,093
Speaker 3: I think it's flourishing looking at the crowds that are

560
00:34:16,133 --> 00:34:18,493
Speaker 3: coming in. So we just want to make sure, you know,

561
00:34:18,653 --> 00:34:21,853
Speaker 3: we keep that rolling on through our age group and

562
00:34:22,253 --> 00:34:24,733
Speaker 3: prepared the better for when they start playing first class cricket.

563
00:34:25,933 --> 00:34:28,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, is there a balance there that you want to

564
00:34:28,333 --> 00:34:31,333
Speaker 2: or do you have an emphasis on one type of

565
00:34:31,413 --> 00:34:34,253
Speaker 2: cricket over the other, white wall over red ball, because

566
00:34:34,653 --> 00:34:36,813
Speaker 2: part of what you want to do is get New

567
00:34:36,893 --> 00:34:41,213
Speaker 2: Zealand's emerging test match talent as well, don't you one.

568
00:34:42,413 --> 00:34:46,653
Speaker 3: We've also introduced what's called the men's Development Squad, which

569
00:34:46,773 --> 00:34:50,013
Speaker 3: is the group that kind of sits between age group

570
00:34:50,373 --> 00:34:53,173
Speaker 3: and a contracted player that can that player that can

571
00:34:53,213 --> 00:34:55,053
Speaker 3: get a little bit lost in club lands they've had

572
00:34:55,053 --> 00:34:59,493
Speaker 3: their under ninety experience, but not quite making a contracted

573
00:34:59,533 --> 00:35:03,853
Speaker 3: player in their EMA because it's pretty it's pretty tough

574
00:35:03,853 --> 00:35:05,813
Speaker 3: to get a contract these days. You don't just walk

575
00:35:05,893 --> 00:35:08,173
Speaker 3: out of those things and straight into a contract too often.

576
00:35:08,853 --> 00:35:13,213
Speaker 3: So we've created that space where we have trainings with

577
00:35:13,893 --> 00:35:16,773
Speaker 3: those players during the winter and then we play against

578
00:35:16,813 --> 00:35:20,093
Speaker 3: all the m A eight teams to really try to

579
00:35:20,133 --> 00:35:23,573
Speaker 3: promote those players from within, and that's been really successful.

580
00:35:23,613 --> 00:35:25,453
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of players come out of that

581
00:35:25,573 --> 00:35:29,373
Speaker 3: mean's development program that now I do have contracts, and

582
00:35:29,493 --> 00:35:33,933
Speaker 3: I think it's helped some of the head coaches around

583
00:35:33,973 --> 00:35:37,213
Speaker 3: the country to look outside of their sixteen nine contract

584
00:35:38,093 --> 00:35:41,453
Speaker 3: list at the talent that's coming through. So I think

585
00:35:41,493 --> 00:35:45,573
Speaker 3: that's been largely successful at the moment, and those coaches

586
00:35:45,573 --> 00:35:48,533
Speaker 3: are really engaged and getting those players that aren't contracted

587
00:35:48,893 --> 00:35:52,453
Speaker 3: still training in their environments, which is you know, that's

588
00:35:53,213 --> 00:35:55,693
Speaker 3: everything we're looking for. So it's really good.

589
00:35:56,853 --> 00:35:59,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't expect you to name names, but do

590
00:35:59,493 --> 00:36:03,853
Speaker 2: you see talent there that you judge as of now

591
00:36:04,533 --> 00:36:09,213
Speaker 2: could be test match players or ODI players internationally for

592
00:36:09,773 --> 00:36:13,613
Speaker 2: New Zealand and they need the extra work and opportunities

593
00:36:13,693 --> 00:36:16,453
Speaker 2: that the game can give them one hundred.

594
00:36:18,773 --> 00:36:20,493
Speaker 3: The way it kind of works out is every second

595
00:36:20,533 --> 00:36:25,413
Speaker 3: year we have an Under nineteen World Cup team. Out

596
00:36:25,493 --> 00:36:29,413
Speaker 3: of that boarding fifteen man squad tends to be eighty

597
00:36:29,413 --> 00:36:31,453
Speaker 3: percent will go on and play first class cricket and

598
00:36:31,773 --> 00:36:34,053
Speaker 3: about thirty percent and become black Caps. That's sort of

599
00:36:34,133 --> 00:36:35,813
Speaker 3: the way it's it's run.

600
00:36:35,933 --> 00:36:36,453
Speaker 5: So it would be.

601
00:36:38,053 --> 00:36:40,853
Speaker 3: Unlikely that someone that comes that we have an under

602
00:36:40,933 --> 00:36:43,613
Speaker 3: nineteen national tournament and is not future black Caps in there.

603
00:36:43,733 --> 00:36:47,693
Speaker 3: So that's always really exciting, and it's sort of I

604
00:36:47,733 --> 00:36:50,733
Speaker 3: suppose the long year in the game, you'd like to

605
00:36:50,773 --> 00:36:53,293
Speaker 3: think your eye gets better and better, but it's it

606
00:36:53,453 --> 00:36:56,093
Speaker 3: doesn't always. You know, it doesn't always work out that way.

607
00:36:56,133 --> 00:37:00,373
Speaker 3: As you know is as players develop at different different

608
00:37:00,413 --> 00:37:05,373
Speaker 3: age ages and stages, and they have different maturation physically

609
00:37:05,413 --> 00:37:09,333
Speaker 3: and mentally. So it's some times you see something and

610
00:37:09,413 --> 00:37:12,253
Speaker 3: you go, wow, that's amazing, and it doesn't eventually. But

611
00:37:13,173 --> 00:37:14,733
Speaker 3: I think the more you're in the game, the more

612
00:37:14,773 --> 00:37:16,933
Speaker 3: you start getting a little bit more accurate with it.

613
00:37:18,973 --> 00:37:22,293
Speaker 3: And yeah, it was great at this tournament season. Some

614
00:37:22,453 --> 00:37:25,253
Speaker 3: talent there that you think has got It's not just

615
00:37:25,413 --> 00:37:29,213
Speaker 3: the skills you see on show or the tactical awareness.

616
00:37:29,253 --> 00:37:33,053
Speaker 3: It's the other things, the soft things around that you're

617
00:37:33,053 --> 00:37:35,813
Speaker 3: here from their coaches and parents and things about how

618
00:37:35,893 --> 00:37:39,893
Speaker 3: much they love the game, the drive and the drive

619
00:37:39,973 --> 00:37:41,773
Speaker 3: to get better. So it's that kid that goes and

620
00:37:42,173 --> 00:37:46,533
Speaker 3: trains on his own outside of outside of organized trainings

621
00:37:46,573 --> 00:37:48,253
Speaker 3: and most of the things that are things that we're

622
00:37:48,293 --> 00:37:51,693
Speaker 3: looking for as well that we know is a really

623
00:37:51,733 --> 00:37:55,213
Speaker 3: good recipe if you've got that skill to going on

624
00:37:55,293 --> 00:37:57,733
Speaker 3: to high on us. So there's certainly a number of

625
00:37:57,773 --> 00:38:00,733
Speaker 3: players in this tournament in that space. We've got three

626
00:38:00,813 --> 00:38:04,093
Speaker 3: guys that've got the opportunity of going back that we're

627
00:38:04,133 --> 00:38:06,013
Speaker 3: in the last little couple in South Africa that are

628
00:38:06,053 --> 00:38:07,893
Speaker 3: still young enough to play in the next one, so

629
00:38:09,693 --> 00:38:12,813
Speaker 3: that there was no given to that. But you know,

630
00:38:13,013 --> 00:38:15,053
Speaker 3: there are obviously guys that are on our dars. Well.

631
00:38:16,853 --> 00:38:19,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we look at the current first class domestic

632
00:38:19,733 --> 00:38:22,093
Speaker 2: scene at the moment, there are a number of players

633
00:38:22,093 --> 00:38:24,853
Speaker 2: who are part of the twenty nineteen side who are

634
00:38:24,973 --> 00:38:27,453
Speaker 2: at the forefront. I think Willow Rat was one of those,

635
00:38:28,733 --> 00:38:31,333
Speaker 2: the fella from Canterbury who took over the captaincy role

636
00:38:31,493 --> 00:38:34,493
Speaker 2: this year and has before well scored a double hundred.

637
00:38:35,133 --> 00:38:39,813
Speaker 2: Those players have come through that development system, haven't they.

638
00:38:40,533 --> 00:38:44,573
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have. You know that that's a nice group.

639
00:38:44,773 --> 00:38:48,173
Speaker 3: Even our last World Cup now we've got you know,

640
00:38:48,293 --> 00:38:51,973
Speaker 3: that was just this time last year. We've got like

641
00:38:52,213 --> 00:38:56,733
Speaker 3: five contracted domestic players now and there's about six that

642
00:38:56,813 --> 00:38:59,373
Speaker 3: have played first class curricula. Even in the nineteenth this

643
00:38:59,533 --> 00:39:02,613
Speaker 3: year we had two contracted players playing in the tournament,

644
00:39:04,133 --> 00:39:06,333
Speaker 3: you know, one that wasn't available because because he was

645
00:39:06,333 --> 00:39:10,773
Speaker 3: playing Super Smash. So it's very exciting times. And that's

646
00:39:10,773 --> 00:39:13,053
Speaker 3: where my job satisfaction comes from as see of these

647
00:39:13,093 --> 00:39:18,773
Speaker 3: guys coming through and being successful as they go through,

648
00:39:18,933 --> 00:39:22,653
Speaker 3: not just as as players, but you know, becoming good people,

649
00:39:22,733 --> 00:39:30,053
Speaker 3: good humans, good good parents, and good members of society.

650
00:39:30,173 --> 00:39:34,133
Speaker 3: That's that's you know, that's where I get incredible job

651
00:39:34,213 --> 00:39:35,053
Speaker 3: satisfaction from.

652
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's important. And to keep them on the radar,

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Speaker 2: I suppose in terms of being part of the New

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Speaker 2: Zealand game, because you don't want to lose them to

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Speaker 2: contracts elsewhere, which could be an inevitable Which could be

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Speaker 2: an inevitable option, couldn't it for some of the younger

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Speaker 2: players Exactly.

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Speaker 3: Look, we're a small nation, as everyone knows but a

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Speaker 3: nation that gets stuck in and a lot of our

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Speaker 3: a lot of our young athletes, male and female, play

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Speaker 3: multiple sports and it's it's part of our philosophy of

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Speaker 3: New Zealand cricketers that we extent to play as many

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Speaker 3: sports as they can until they actually have to make

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Speaker 3: a decision one way or another. And we've had we've

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Speaker 3: had several players over the years that are very good

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Speaker 3: at at a number of sports and it comes to

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Speaker 3: a crunch and they choose, choose their direction.

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Speaker 2: And.

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Speaker 3: We get some and we lose them sometimes, and that's okay.

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Speaker 3: I think that the ones that we lose, you'd like

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Speaker 3: to think the other sports will get a better athlete

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Speaker 3: because they've been playing cricket, and the ones that stick

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Speaker 3: with us, I think we get better athletes because they've

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Speaker 3: been playing other sports as well. So we tend to

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Speaker 3: develop a little bit later than some of the other

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Speaker 3: nations that play a hell of a lot of cricket

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Speaker 3: and specialize really early. But I think in the long

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Speaker 3: run it sets us up pretty well. And I think,

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Speaker 3: you know, I think the results speak to themselves. Over

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Speaker 3: the last ten years or so, the way the Black

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Speaker 3: Caps have performed consistently on the world stage has been

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Speaker 3: pretty phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, well all the best in in terms of your

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Speaker 2: developmental role with the side and producing those cricket as

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Speaker 2: we need to carry the camp because there's going to

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Speaker 2: be more cricket. Whether or not it's a Test match,

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Speaker 2: it's hard to know, but there's obviously going to be

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Speaker 2: more cricket for than the world over, isn't there over

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Speaker 2: coming years?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly changing face as everyone knows, and there's the

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Speaker 3: lure of big dollars and look at attracts players to

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Speaker 3: our sport, which is great. But we've got also be

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Speaker 3: aware of that and move with the times and understand

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Speaker 3: that some players are just going to be focused on

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Speaker 3: short form cricket and that's okay, but we do need

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Speaker 3: to make sure that we prop up our red bull

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Speaker 3: cricket because for us purists, you and me, a great

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Speaker 3: Test match beats any other formats. So we want to

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Speaker 3: we want to make sure that the game stays alive,

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Speaker 3: well healthy in this country as it is in a

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Speaker 3: number of other countries at the moment, no argument there was.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much for joining us on the front foot.

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Speaker 3: I please thanks to us.

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Speaker 2: Finally this week Jerry just a quick look at an

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Speaker 2: email We mentioned one last week and we received an

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Speaker 2: email from Fraser Fraser Marriott, whose father passed away recently,

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Speaker 2: who I played cricket with back many many years ago,

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Speaker 2: passed away from cancer and enjoyed our program and said

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Speaker 2: how much his father enjoyed the latter stages of his

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Speaker 2: life listening to our coverage and he was very enamored

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Speaker 2: with a program you did with Australian colleagues Allam Collins

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Speaker 2: and Jeff Lemon, who do an excellent podcast as well.

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Speaker 2: So it was nice to get that comment from Fraser.

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Speaker 2: But he did pose a question to us and I

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Speaker 2: think we sort of covered it last week about the

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Speaker 2: situation where South Africa and the World Test Championship final

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Speaker 2: against India and many of the Australians saying it's a

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Speaker 2: little bit unfair and the fact that they didn't have

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Speaker 2: to play against the sides that New Zealand and England

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Speaker 2: and Australia had to play. But I guess that's what

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Speaker 2: goes with the territory, doesn't it. I mean, he talked

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Speaker 2: about the irony being that the BCCI stroke ICC set

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Speaker 2: up the future Tourist program commercially fixated with regular lengthy

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Speaker 2: series among the top big three. The question is do

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Speaker 2: we think there's any chance that South Africa's surprise qualification

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Speaker 2: might actually prompt a rethink of a more equitable distribution. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's hard to know really what the ICC is thinking

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Speaker 2: about in the future series of the World Is Championship,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's one of the big issues that's confronting

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Speaker 5: cricket really. Who runs cricket, who's in charge, who's passing

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Speaker 5: down things so that you know what the setup is

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Speaker 5: for the next couple of years. We know, we said,

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Speaker 5: and we all agree. I think all our listeners will

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Speaker 5: agree as well. It's not an ideal tournament, the World

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Speaker 5: Test Championship. It has many little holes and problems in it,

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Speaker 5: but that's what it is.

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Speaker 4: And we are with it.

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Speaker 5: And it's been an extremely interesting last year, hasn't it.

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Speaker 5: We talked about that last week as well. But it's

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Speaker 5: nice to get someone who's been enjoying the program anyway.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, Fraser, thanks very much for the email. Sorry

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Speaker 2: to hear about Dave's passing, but it's nice that you

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Speaker 2: were able to share those thoughts with us and anybody

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Speaker 2: else would like to send us an email. Feel free

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Speaker 2: to do so on the front foot twenty at gmail

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Speaker 2: dot com. On the front foot twenty, that's two zero

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Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. That's it for this week, doing

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Speaker 2: put your feedback up again and enjoy this sunny conditions. Boy,

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Speaker 2: I don't think I better start talking about the sun

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Speaker 2: in Wellington because people will start talking about the wind

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Speaker 2: and done for about ten days and it's finally come back.

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Speaker 2: It's finally come back to the window. Yeah we needed it,

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Speaker 2: just just to call.

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Speaker 4: Us down of it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well that's great, that's great once. I'm glad you're

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Speaker 5: getting some of this good weather. At the moment it

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Speaker 5: looks as though were in for a change though words

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Speaker 5: in the next few days.

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Speaker 2: They're right, Okay, we've got I've got Dream eleven super

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Speaker 2: Smash to look at. I'm not looking forward to indeed.

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll join again next week absolutely. I'm off to

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Speaker 4: watch some of the audio

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Speaker 1: Summer for more from news Talks that'd be listen live

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