1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: So the Treaty debate at Parliament, the second reading here 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: is Willie Jackson getting kicked out. 3 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: Oh there, David Seymore, You're a disgrace in this house. 4 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 3: And when it comes to the. 5 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:12,559 Speaker 2: Treaty of Waite Tongue, you will and always be a liar, 6 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 2: killed a mister Speaker. 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 3: Leave the house, predictable, lead the house, predictable, predictable, liar barry. 8 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 1: And he did it last time. 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 3: He did it last time. I knew exactly what he 10 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 3: was doing. He made his speech and then knew that 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 3: he'd be thrown out. And I've got to say I've 12 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 3: been watching the debate all through it, and it got 13 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,479 Speaker 3: off to the Treaty Principal's bill got off to a 14 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 3: probably a predictable start. 15 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 4: Mister Speaker. 16 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 3: Members of this House. 17 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 4: Can still change their minds. 18 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 5: Still hold it. Where are the police helping us with us? 19 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,639 Speaker 5: Let me make it very clear anyone else in here 20 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 5: thinks that's an accept intervention and the activities of this 21 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 5: Parliament will be treated harshly by the officers of the 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 5: law who are here completely unacceptable. We live in a democracy. 23 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 5: This is the place where opinions are given, not from 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 5: the gallery. 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: So the jury was not a happy man at all 26 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: when he's his officers of the Lord does he mean police? 27 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 5: Yeah? 28 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 3: Well where were the cops at the start? It took 29 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: a while to get there to throw this guy out, 30 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 3: but look was on from that relative silence, I've got 31 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 3: to say, because Jerry was so hosed off, the people 32 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: had been warned. So it was in relative silence that 33 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,720 Speaker 3: David Seymour was allowed to have us say. 34 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 4: Fathers argue that maybe Parliament can make laws, but not 35 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 4: this law. What they're really saying is our constitutional future 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 4: can be decided by the unelected, but not the elected, 37 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 4: and certainly not the people in a referendum. Those are 38 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 4: the fundamentally undemocratic propositions. Anyone opposing this bill as really 39 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 4: signing up to that they do not trust the New 40 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 4: Zealand people to determine their constitutional future. 41 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 1: And I'm so. 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 4: Proud to stand for the one party in this House 43 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 4: that most certainly does. 44 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,680 Speaker 3: Yea, there you go. It was the Act Party. Yeah, 45 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 3: we'll let pella on deaf airs. When it came to 46 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 3: Chris Hipkins. 47 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: Te hey, moldy, order, mister speaker. Normally, when I rise 48 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,400 Speaker 2: in this House to speak on a bill, I say 49 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 2: it's a great privilege to speak on the bill. That 50 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: is not the case today. This is a grubby little 51 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: bill born of a grubby little deal. It has had 52 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 2: a colossal. 53 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 5: Excuse me, I'll make it clear just once the gallery 54 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 5: do not interfere the activities of Parliament. Another outbloose like 55 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 5: that will clear the galleries. Everyone will be going the right, 56 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 5: honorable Criscipkins. 57 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 2: It has had a colossal impact on the fabric of 58 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: our nation and this bill will forever be a stain 59 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: on our country. 60 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 3: Oh, for goodness sake. Then it was the young Maldi 61 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 3: party MP who caused it up raw when the Treaty's 62 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: Bill you remember, was introduced, Hannah raffitimp Clark by ripping 63 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 3: it up and leading a hakka. She was the Mara Parties, 64 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 3: as I say, the first speaker. She shared her time 65 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 3: speaking interestingly with the Greens Tamatha pool here they are the. 66 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 6: Real problem is that this institution, this House, has only 67 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 6: ever recognized one partner, one culture, one language, from one treaty. 68 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 6: When will the rules of this House acknowledge the laws 69 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 6: of this land tekanga anti tennaty or waiting. This bill 70 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 6: hasn't been stopped this bill has been absolutely annihilated. 71 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 7: That little man does not represent your views. Shoulder to 72 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 7: you and to eue. The fight is not over. Despite 73 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 7: their crocodile tears, we still have a government that is 74 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,400 Speaker 7: willing to use our mona as a cheap bargaining tool. 75 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:57,440 Speaker 3: See the Greens obviously are still embracing Tamitha Paul. She 76 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 3: was that one that said that little Man does not 77 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: represent our view. She was pointing, of course at David Seymour. 78 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: So look, it got all quite nasty and we knew 79 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 3: the outcome. It hasn't. I think the twelfth Speech is 80 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 3: being heard as we speak at the moment. I will 81 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 3: guarantee it. You'll see a hukka from the Maldi party 82 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: that have been waiting on. But it's it'll be whilst 83 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 3: we're on air at the moment, probably or shortly thereafter 84 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 3: that the bill will be wrapped up and gone. 85 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm surprised to what she wasn't pulled up for calling 86 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: him a little man, because. 87 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 3: It's not only an honorable little man. 88 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: Exactly right. Barry Luxon was speaking today, he did, well, 89 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: how did a press conference after you this speech on 90 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: trade to the artin Chamber of commerce, and he's talking about, 91 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, the regional leaders coming together. 92 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 3: Look, that's the way they've got to They've got to 93 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: band together, if you like. But he was also talking 94 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 3: about the European Union, and because they've made noises about 95 00:04:54,400 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: the cp TPPA, that's the Comprehensive trans Tasman Partnership Agreement. 96 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: New Zealand of course, was one of the originals, the 97 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: four originals that began that process. And you're remember it 98 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 3: was extended by the Canadians that put comprehensive progressive. Interestingly, 99 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 3: it was extended by the Canadians after Donald Trump. I 100 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 3: reckon had a hand in it. When Justin Trudeau was 101 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 3: in Vietnam. I was there as well, and Justin Trudeau 102 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: was about to sign it with the rest of the 103 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: countries backed away, you'll remember, and then all hell broke loosen, 104 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 3: it broke apart, and Donald Trump I reckon was pulling 105 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: the strings. Then. Obviously, the European Union is the biggest 106 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 3: target for us to include in that agreement, and that's 107 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 3: the area of the Prime is to see as he'll be. 108 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 8: Pushing for that'll be ultimate decision for the EU, and 109 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 8: it does require ratification process. As you wear it's quite slow. 110 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 8: What I'm looking for is actually, how can we bind 111 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 8: as many countries as possible at these countries that are 112 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 8: already you know, looking at the CPTPP, how do we 113 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 8: go For example, UK is still requiring ratification from Canada 114 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 8: and from Mexico, so how do we speed that up 115 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 8: and get them fully into the system. 116 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 3: So it's a it's a long process, but we're really 117 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 3: what we've got to do is turn our backs on America, 118 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 3: the biggest economy in the world. It's hard to do it. 119 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,599 Speaker 1: You can't do that. They're our second largest trading partner. Well, 120 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: that's right, we just have to just ride the wave. 121 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: If we're a small player Berry, you. 122 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 3: Fly on the big absolutely. But the CPTPPA that is 123 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 3: an avenue where you're going to have a big trading 124 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 3: block because totally don't forget the Europeans got fifty seven 125 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 3: countries there. 126 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, but remember we've already got a free trader with 127 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: the EU. We've already got one with the UK. So 128 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: adding the UK all the EU to the CTP TPPPP 129 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: won't actually benefit us, you know, directly, but it might. 130 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: I suppose if you make the block bigger, then you 131 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: get in direct benefits from it, so I can see 132 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: the logic of what he's saying. 133 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 3: He's been talking to them all day to day, hasn't 134 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: been in the house for the. 135 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: You had to have something to do, didn't hey, Barry, 136 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: thanks for that. You've been right across. 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