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Speaker 2: welcome to podcasts number two one two four Wednesday, the

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Speaker 2: first of October. My god, it's October. Sapers, Holy bloody Moley, jeepers, creepers,

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Speaker 2: it's bloody October. Great show today, boy, we got emotional

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Speaker 2: with the Nigel latter call, some incredible call with Bridget

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Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 3: Talk said the very good Afternoons Yeah, welcome into Wednesday show.

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Speaker 3: So good to have your company as always. Hope you're

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Speaker 3: doing well. We're evy you're listening in this country of ours.

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Speaker 2: Get a Matt, get a Tyler good a you great

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Speaker 2: New Zealander wherever you happen to be. Hey, I'm did

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Speaker 2: you ever get that feeling where you're completely you're lightheaded,

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Speaker 2: and you're you're separated from reality and you feel like

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Speaker 4: Of the room.

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Speaker 3: Out of body experience quite often?

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Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, yeah, I'm experiencing that right now. So you know,

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Speaker 2: if if I drift off into strange things, it's because

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Speaker 2: I know there's something wrong with my brain.

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Speaker 3: Things could get interesting. It's going to be good.

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Speaker 3: Hey, now this is apropos of nothing, but I just

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Speaker 3: want to throw it out there. You know how sometimes

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Speaker 3: things come into your life, and you didn't really know

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Speaker 6: Was that?

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Speaker 2: Like when we got peered up for the show, you

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Speaker 2: didn't know, you didn't know what was missing in your life,

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Speaker 2: but it turned out to be mad Heath.

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Speaker 3: Beautifully said and spot on. And the other thing that

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Speaker 3: came into my life recently is a bid day.

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Speaker 2: Very similar, very very similar to.

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Speaker 3: Such a good analogy to a bad heath. So if

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Speaker 3: you don't know what a bad bidet is, most people

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Speaker 3: will do it. And I don't want to gross anyone

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Speaker 3: out here, so we're going to keep it high level.

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Speaker 3: But a beday is an electric device that you put

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Speaker 3: do what we've all got to do with human beings.

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Speaker 3: The Japanese are very into it. Across Asia, they're very

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Speaker 2: It is limit of the way we chase things around

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Speaker 3: Still, all of that I have.

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Speaker 2: Some of them can track, they're what they're aiming at.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the PSA for today. Onto the rest of

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Speaker 2: While not wanting to aggravate the dozens of people have

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Speaker 2: I'm saying people just go for it. You just go

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Speaker 3: After two o'clock. New Zealand's video game industry it is

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Speaker 2: He's a man that had a huge effect on our

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Speaker 3: Zai'd be for a good afternoons you we are talking

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Speaker 2: Michelle says, Nigel was amazing. I went to three of

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Speaker 8: A bit of a sad day for New Zealand. Nigel

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Speaker 8: Oh mate, it's a hard journey mm hmm. Every day,

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Speaker 8: Talk to the person relived the memories. Take the time

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Speaker 10: Now reformed data energy Minister Simon, what's with us? Those

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Speaker 3: B very good afternoons you It is twenty five past

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Speaker 2: Call sex, says Nigel. Ladder had a massive effect on

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Speaker 13: But yeah, this guy, Nigel had away with his words

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Speaker 2: I think if you cool Ben appreciate that. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 3: That sounds like a good one and Nigel Letter blows

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Speaker 3: It absolutely does. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty

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Speaker 1: WOJU talks, it'd be headlines with blue bubble taxis.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Railian so sad news that broke

454
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Speaker 3: this morning, key we psychologist author broadcast a. Nigel Latter

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Speaker 3: passed away yesterday year after being diagnosed with stomach cancer.

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Speaker 3: He leaves behind his wife Natalie Flynn, daughter Arena sun Kieren,

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Speaker 3: and three step children Elijia Mayer and Leon. Bridget Tapsell

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Speaker 3: as family spokesperson and also Natalie's best friend, and she

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Speaker 3: joins us on the line now, Bridget, good afternoon to

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Speaker 3: you and our deepest condolences to you and the family.

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Speaker 15: Ah Tina Kuardua, thank you.

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Speaker 2: When you think back on your friendship with Nigel, what's

463
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Speaker 2: the first memory that pops into your mind.

464
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Speaker 4: For me?

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Speaker 15: Personally? He uh, He went over uh and above what

466
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Speaker 15: friends normally do for me and my family in a

467
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Speaker 15: situation that was really sticky and uncomfortable, and he went

468
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Speaker 15: out on a limb for us, and he was Yeah,

469
00:23:37,013 --> 00:23:41,213
Speaker 15: he advocated for a situation and he was brave and

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Speaker 15: it turned the situation around massively for us personally. That's

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Speaker 15: the type of human he is. He he was driven

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Speaker 15: by his values and he stood by his Dalius and

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Speaker 15: he lived by Dalius. A very very special human, a

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Speaker 15: person who was well Maria, I would say, call ye

475
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Speaker 15: call yea. He was love and love with his to Adha.

476
00:24:08,573 --> 00:24:13,253
Speaker 15: Nigel a man of love. Yeah, And I feel right

477
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Speaker 15: at the moment if I look at the response from

478
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Speaker 15: the Preme Minister and all the responses that are happening

479
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Speaker 15: around the country, And as Natalie said, she feels like

480
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Speaker 15: old Titlor is giving Nigel one huge hug right now.

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Speaker 15: And that's because of the man who he was.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. What was Nigel like away from from the camera?

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Speaker 2: And you know, people people like Tyler and I we

484
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Speaker 2: only know I'm from from enjoying his television shows and

485
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Speaker 2: reading his books. What was he like away from from

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Speaker 2: the camera and the public eye.

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Speaker 15: Bridget he was He was a very kind person, just

488
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Speaker 15: very laid back and obviously very very well known. So

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Speaker 15: like if you we'd go out to dinner, there would

490
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Speaker 15: always be lots of people would approach him and talk

491
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Speaker 15: to him. He had that kind of or about him.

492
00:25:06,773 --> 00:25:09,573
Speaker 15: People wanted to connect with of him from seeing him

493
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Speaker 15: on TV, from his parenting shows. But after a while

494
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Speaker 15: you actually forgot he was famous because he was just

495
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Speaker 15: He was a humble human, very real, very focused on

496
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Speaker 15: other people, not focused on him. He was egoless. Yeah,

497
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Speaker 15: the a fantastic human. You would have You would have

498
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Speaker 15: loved his company, honestly, would have. He would have made

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Speaker 15: you both feel like you were the most important people

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Speaker 15: in the room.

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Speaker 2: You Yeah, yeah, I was lucky enough to interview me

502
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Speaker 2: a couple of times, but yeah, and it was he

503
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Speaker 2: was lovely on those occasions. Now, Nigel made You've got

504
00:25:50,493 --> 00:25:53,253
Speaker 2: to say, he made psychology, which is reasonably complex, complex

505
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Speaker 2: ideas relatable to a lot of New Zealanders in your opinion,

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Speaker 2: What made him such a good communicator of all these

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Speaker 2: complex ideas well?

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00:26:03,213 --> 00:26:05,453
Speaker 15: I actually would you know. Obviously I hit him and

509
00:26:05,533 --> 00:26:09,613
Speaker 15: Netalie on tap and Netalie's a psychologists as well, so

510
00:26:10,293 --> 00:26:13,013
Speaker 15: I had thirsten experience of what it was like to

511
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Speaker 15: wring him up and say, hey, I've got this parenting problem,

512
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Speaker 15: what do you think? And he was just he just

513
00:26:20,653 --> 00:26:23,173
Speaker 15: didn't muck around like he would just get straight to

514
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Speaker 15: the point. You know, this is it was black and white.

515
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Speaker 15: Compassionate of course, but just very pragmatic. And I think

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Speaker 15: for me that's what was very relatable, and that's what

517
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Speaker 15: I think the nation was relating to, is like there

518
00:26:36,733 --> 00:26:40,133
Speaker 15: was nothing fluffy or nothing that you couldn't sort of go, oh,

519
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Speaker 15: that actually makes sense. Oh, and I actually have some

520
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Speaker 15: practical advice to walk away with and make some positive

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Speaker 15: change in my family and in my children. And that's

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Speaker 15: I mean, I mean you, I'm sure you've seen his

523
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Speaker 15: programs ONCIDAM and that's probably what you've saught as well.

524
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Speaker 15: And that's that's he had just the ability to connect

525
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Speaker 15: to other people and communicate in a way that wasn't

526
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Speaker 15: too highbrow. You know, that was just bey you can

527
00:27:09,373 --> 00:27:13,613
Speaker 15: understand them basically. Yeah, that's kind of was my personal experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely came through in the way you experienced him.

529
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Speaker 2: He seems very similar on on on as broadcasting, as

530
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Speaker 2: and in his writing as he was to you in person.

531
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Speaker 2: Now I just started speaking of his writing. I just

532
00:27:24,933 --> 00:27:29,333
Speaker 2: started reading his new book, Lessons on Living, and you know,

533
00:27:29,373 --> 00:27:32,773
Speaker 2: it starts off with some pretty harrowing stories of you know,

534
00:27:32,933 --> 00:27:35,052
Speaker 2: time he spent with people that have done some pretty

535
00:27:35,893 --> 00:27:40,093
Speaker 2: horrific things. He he he had to deal with a

536
00:27:40,093 --> 00:27:45,093
Speaker 2: lot of that that that serious, horrible dark side of society,

537
00:27:46,173 --> 00:27:50,213
Speaker 2: crime and murder and parenting gone wrong. But he was

538
00:27:50,213 --> 00:27:53,853
Speaker 2: also very funny. How did it did that? Did that

539
00:27:54,373 --> 00:27:56,893
Speaker 2: stuff affect him? Because it would be hard to keep

540
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Speaker 2: that completely out of out of your your your life

541
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Speaker 2: when you're you're doing that that sort of stuff professionally.

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Speaker 15: I mean, I I didn't see any sign of that

543
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Speaker 15: effecting him. I that he was able to. I mean,

544
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Speaker 15: I think when you're an empathetic critician, you're able to

545
00:28:12,853 --> 00:28:17,533
Speaker 15: put uh the darkness of life into context, a way

546
00:28:17,573 --> 00:28:20,493
Speaker 15: to context, and he obviously had the ability to do that.

547
00:28:21,653 --> 00:28:31,213
Speaker 15: So yeah, he was his his Aha, So I'm trying

548
00:28:31,253 --> 00:28:34,893
Speaker 15: to think of a park word. His his being was

549
00:28:34,933 --> 00:28:37,812
Speaker 15: always so positive, you know, it was always so up.

550
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Speaker 15: It was also as so hopeful, always so optimistic. You

551
00:28:41,613 --> 00:28:44,973
Speaker 15: know of anybody who know I think, you know, you

552
00:28:45,053 --> 00:28:49,493
Speaker 15: can't escape some of the shadows of life. So that

553
00:28:49,613 --> 00:28:51,973
Speaker 15: was a reality. But you know, it depends what you

554
00:28:52,013 --> 00:28:54,773
Speaker 15: focus on. And so I learned from him that it

555
00:28:54,893 --> 00:28:57,093
Speaker 15: is what depends what you focus on, like, focus on

556
00:28:57,093 --> 00:28:59,693
Speaker 15: the good, focus on the beauty, focus on the positivity.

557
00:29:00,053 --> 00:29:02,853
Speaker 15: And he was testament to that. That's how he lived.

558
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Speaker 3: The honesty and the pregmatism that he showed Bridget when

559
00:29:07,453 --> 00:29:11,533
Speaker 3: he was diagnosed clearly resonated with so so many people

560
00:29:11,613 --> 00:29:13,613
Speaker 3: in New Zealand who were going through a similar thing

561
00:29:13,893 --> 00:29:17,893
Speaker 3: and provided them comfort because it was so honest and

562
00:29:18,373 --> 00:29:22,093
Speaker 3: that philosophy and as you say, that pragmatism that he

563
00:29:22,173 --> 00:29:26,133
Speaker 3: was he was so talented at. When the message messages

564
00:29:26,173 --> 00:29:29,533
Speaker 3: I no doubt started flooding in from people going through

565
00:29:29,533 --> 00:29:31,853
Speaker 3: something similar, How did Nigel and the family deal with that.

566
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Speaker 15: With grace and with dignity and with understanding, you know,

567
00:29:41,653 --> 00:29:45,453
Speaker 15: I mean that's I mean, I've never had cancer, so

568
00:29:45,573 --> 00:29:48,613
Speaker 15: I don't know that. I can only imagine how difficult

569
00:29:48,733 --> 00:29:52,733
Speaker 15: that is to navigate. Yeah, so he did it with humility,

570
00:29:52,853 --> 00:29:59,133
Speaker 15: strength and dignity and very honest communications within in a circle.

571
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Speaker 15: But having said that, though, the communication was always very optimistic,

572
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Speaker 15: and so last week when he went to the oncologist

573
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Speaker 15: on Wednesday, he went with optimism like he wasn't probably expecting,

574
00:30:14,413 --> 00:30:18,413
Speaker 15: you know, to find out that there was no there

575
00:30:18,413 --> 00:30:21,693
Speaker 15: was nothing else that could be done. So yeah, right

576
00:30:21,773 --> 00:30:24,173
Speaker 15: up until the last week, he was optimistic.

577
00:30:25,413 --> 00:30:27,893
Speaker 2: So you know, I think if you've answered this sort

578
00:30:27,933 --> 00:30:31,453
Speaker 2: of throughout your your answers to our questions, but how

579
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Speaker 2: much of a gap do you think he will leave

580
00:30:34,333 --> 00:30:39,533
Speaker 2: in the country and and then your personal life, Bridget, I.

581
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Speaker 15: Mean it's absolutely huge. I mean there's just nobody like

582
00:30:42,653 --> 00:30:49,213
Speaker 15: Nigel Letter personally. For Natalie, I mean it's a mass

583
00:30:49,213 --> 00:30:53,013
Speaker 15: and and the family and the children. It's it's an

584
00:30:53,093 --> 00:30:59,013
Speaker 15: undescribable loss. Yeah. And for me, I mean, gosh, I

585
00:30:59,013 --> 00:31:02,733
Speaker 15: didn't sleep last night, so it's hard. It's hard to

586
00:31:03,693 --> 00:31:07,093
Speaker 15: it's hard to take the news, to be honest. I was,

587
00:31:07,733 --> 00:31:10,413
Speaker 15: like everybody else in this country, just hoping that he

588
00:31:10,533 --> 00:31:11,933
Speaker 15: was going to be around for a lot longer.

589
00:31:12,693 --> 00:31:14,613
Speaker 2: Well, look, thank you so much for talking to us,

590
00:31:14,613 --> 00:31:17,653
Speaker 2: and look so sorry for you for your loss there, Bridget.

591
00:31:17,853 --> 00:31:23,013
Speaker 2: He was, as you say, a great, great human, great communicator, communicator,

592
00:31:23,053 --> 00:31:26,453
Speaker 2: and he sounds like a great friend too. So yeah,

593
00:31:26,693 --> 00:31:27,933
Speaker 2: I'm going to say, Sorr if you're.

594
00:31:27,853 --> 00:31:31,013
Speaker 3: Lost, thank you very much, Bridget. Yeah, lots of love

595
00:31:31,053 --> 00:31:32,973
Speaker 3: to you Anton, Natalie and the family as well. That

596
00:31:33,093 --> 00:31:36,893
Speaker 3: is Bridget tapsil A close family friend of Natalie and

597
00:31:37,013 --> 00:31:40,653
Speaker 3: Nigel speaking about the said loss of Nigel. Letter, So

598
00:31:40,773 --> 00:31:43,053
Speaker 3: keen to hear your stories and your views, if you've

599
00:31:43,053 --> 00:31:45,213
Speaker 3: written Nigel's books, if you've spoken to him, if you've

600
00:31:45,253 --> 00:31:47,773
Speaker 3: gone to his events, really keen to a check with you. Oh,

601
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Speaker 3: eight hundred eighty ten eighties and number to call nine

602
00:31:49,933 --> 00:31:51,173
Speaker 3: two nine two is the text number.

603
00:31:51,373 --> 00:31:54,573
Speaker 2: Susie says, I feel for him. This sucks.

604
00:31:54,813 --> 00:31:56,373
Speaker 3: Yeah, that says it all.

605
00:31:57,773 --> 00:32:00,493
Speaker 1: A fresh take on talk Back. It's Matt Heath and

606
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Speaker 1: Taylor Adams afternoons. Have your say on eight hundred eighty

607
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Speaker 1: ten eighty.

608
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Speaker 3: Youth talk said be it is fourteen to two. So

609
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Speaker 3: many any texts coming through about the sad passing of

610
00:32:11,413 --> 00:32:13,973
Speaker 3: Nigel Letter nine to ninety two is the number if

611
00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:14,973
Speaker 3: you want to send through a text.

612
00:32:15,133 --> 00:32:17,413
Speaker 2: Hey, someone's asking where can I get the book of

613
00:32:17,453 --> 00:32:19,613
Speaker 2: hers that you're talking about that came out yesterday, Our

614
00:32:19,693 --> 00:32:20,573
Speaker 2: Lessons on Living.

615
00:32:20,653 --> 00:32:22,573
Speaker 3: I bought it on Kindle yep.

616
00:32:22,453 --> 00:32:24,253
Speaker 2: So it's available there, but it'll be available in all

617
00:32:24,293 --> 00:32:26,173
Speaker 2: your big book stores and your little bookstores.

618
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Speaker 12: You know.

619
00:32:27,133 --> 00:32:30,493
Speaker 2: He released a lot of books over the years, so

620
00:32:30,613 --> 00:32:34,533
Speaker 2: many books, just counting them here one, two, three, four, five,

621
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Speaker 2: so seven, eight nine, Jesus busy man. Anyway, there's not

622
00:32:39,493 --> 00:32:40,933
Speaker 2: all of them. But even there he did one on

623
00:32:40,973 --> 00:32:45,773
Speaker 2: sugar as well, it's not listed here. He wrote a

624
00:32:45,813 --> 00:32:49,493
Speaker 2: lot of books and this one has last came out,

625
00:32:50,693 --> 00:32:53,573
Speaker 2: came out yesterday, And so I mean the timing on

626
00:32:53,613 --> 00:32:56,213
Speaker 2: that is is a poignant, isn't it. But yeah, you'll

627
00:32:56,213 --> 00:32:57,653
Speaker 2: be able to find it wherever you get you, wherever

628
00:32:57,653 --> 00:32:58,253
Speaker 2: you get box.

629
00:32:58,413 --> 00:33:00,773
Speaker 3: Yes, a very mainstream writer.

630
00:33:00,973 --> 00:33:02,933
Speaker 2: So that's not going to be hidden away any obscure place.

631
00:33:03,013 --> 00:33:05,573
Speaker 3: No, you'll find it, will find it, Yep. Absolutely.

632
00:33:06,573 --> 00:33:09,213
Speaker 2: This text says, guys, I can't and talk because I

633
00:33:09,213 --> 00:33:12,253
Speaker 2: won't be able to retain my composure. But the news

634
00:33:12,253 --> 00:33:15,613
Speaker 2: of Nigel's passing cuts deep. Our cancer journey started two

635
00:33:15,653 --> 00:33:19,253
Speaker 2: years ago with melanoma, then a tumor in my bladder, which, hopefully,

636
00:33:19,373 --> 00:33:22,013
Speaker 2: due to a few surgeries, is in my past. But

637
00:33:22,093 --> 00:33:25,373
Speaker 2: my wife has survived thirty five radiation treatments for tonsil cancer,

638
00:33:25,453 --> 00:33:28,733
Speaker 2: our battling stage four lung cancer. It is ripping me

639
00:33:28,773 --> 00:33:32,453
Speaker 2: apart inside, but I have to find solace from her strength.

640
00:33:32,733 --> 00:33:34,693
Speaker 2: She can't do a lot, but she just gets on

641
00:33:34,773 --> 00:33:38,013
Speaker 2: with it. Later scans are hopeful but I still feel

642
00:33:38,213 --> 00:33:41,973
Speaker 2: an incredible weight and sadness whenever I find myself thinking

643
00:33:41,973 --> 00:33:45,573
Speaker 2: about her. Rip Nigel, and that's from Henry. Hey, thanks

644
00:33:45,613 --> 00:33:47,733
Speaker 2: so much for your text, Henry. Yeah, and all the

645
00:33:47,773 --> 00:33:48,733
Speaker 2: best out there.

646
00:33:49,493 --> 00:33:49,693
Speaker 12: Yeah.

647
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Speaker 2: It puts a little problems in perspective when you hear

648
00:33:54,213 --> 00:33:55,733
Speaker 2: these huge things that people face.

649
00:33:55,853 --> 00:34:01,173
Speaker 3: Yep, certainly does Phil. How are you this afternoon? Mate?

650
00:34:00,813 --> 00:34:02,093
Speaker 12: Well?

651
00:34:02,413 --> 00:34:05,133
Speaker 16: I have to say okay when I'm hearing these stories because,

652
00:34:05,213 --> 00:34:10,493
Speaker 16: like Matt said that the year it's they Oh what

653
00:34:10,533 --> 00:34:12,692
Speaker 16: would be that they smack in the face, don't they?

654
00:34:12,613 --> 00:34:15,853
Speaker 16: There are tough stories to hear what people are dealing with.

655
00:34:15,893 --> 00:34:21,173
Speaker 16: Some people are dealing with for sure. Yeah, yeah, I'm

656
00:34:21,213 --> 00:34:25,692
Speaker 16: my cayboys, I'm okay, Yes, it's yeah. I feel kind

657
00:34:25,693 --> 00:34:31,732
Speaker 16: of sad that Nigels passed away. It's a strange thing.

658
00:34:31,773 --> 00:34:33,333
Speaker 16: I was going to say a funny thing, but that

659
00:34:33,413 --> 00:34:35,413
Speaker 16: might be the right word to use in the context.

660
00:34:35,413 --> 00:34:38,373
Speaker 16: But I was thinking in the sense that even if

661
00:34:38,413 --> 00:34:41,973
Speaker 16: you don't know someone and they pass away, you know,

662
00:34:42,093 --> 00:34:44,813
Speaker 16: like a complete stranger and they pass away, and if

663
00:34:44,853 --> 00:34:46,613
Speaker 16: you feel like they were a good person, I think

664
00:34:46,613 --> 00:34:49,133
Speaker 16: you always feel a bit sad even though you've got

665
00:34:49,133 --> 00:34:51,813
Speaker 16: no connection with them. You know, it's just something, but

666
00:34:51,973 --> 00:34:55,653
Speaker 16: it's something that makes me feel a bit sad. Someone's

667
00:34:55,693 --> 00:35:00,133
Speaker 16: gone right there. Yeah, so and I remember, oh, sorry, Matt,

668
00:35:00,173 --> 00:35:01,093
Speaker 16: were you going to say something?

669
00:35:01,133 --> 00:35:04,493
Speaker 2: You know? No, non you go Phil.

670
00:35:04,693 --> 00:35:08,973
Speaker 16: And I remember I started watching his first programs like

671
00:35:09,013 --> 00:35:11,693
Speaker 16: Beyond the Dark Lands and all those sort of macarbon

672
00:35:11,773 --> 00:35:14,013
Speaker 16: that I've kind of had a fascination how he used

673
00:35:14,013 --> 00:35:19,453
Speaker 16: to have this fantastic ability to analyze the person, you know,

674
00:35:19,573 --> 00:35:22,293
Speaker 16: and talk about what was going wrong, you know, and

675
00:35:22,333 --> 00:35:25,813
Speaker 16: the circumstances that led up to their offending and that

676
00:35:25,893 --> 00:35:27,853
Speaker 16: sort of thing, the environment that they were brought up,

677
00:35:27,853 --> 00:35:29,773
Speaker 16: and that was quite fascinating. And then I think I

678
00:35:29,813 --> 00:35:34,333
Speaker 16: watched a couple of his parenting. Even though I haven't

679
00:35:34,373 --> 00:35:36,772
Speaker 16: got any children, a single man with no children, haven't

680
00:35:36,773 --> 00:35:38,813
Speaker 16: got any they were still quite fascinating to watch his

681
00:35:39,493 --> 00:35:42,133
Speaker 16: programs on the crazy parenting and that sort of thing.

682
00:35:42,573 --> 00:35:46,053
Speaker 16: I've got how many programs like he had done, you know,

683
00:35:46,133 --> 00:35:47,893
Speaker 16: because then I remember by that so there was, like

684
00:35:47,933 --> 00:35:49,893
Speaker 16: you said, the one about being ripped off, and then

685
00:35:49,973 --> 00:35:52,373
Speaker 16: it was yeah they adult one and that sort of thing.

686
00:35:52,413 --> 00:35:54,253
Speaker 16: But yeah, the thing I was going to say too,

687
00:35:54,373 --> 00:35:58,893
Speaker 16: is that, yeah, incredibly tough cancer. I lost my mum

688
00:35:58,973 --> 00:36:03,093
Speaker 16: four years ago to cancer, and I think from when

689
00:36:03,093 --> 00:36:05,652
Speaker 16: she was diagnosed, I was kind of lucky in one

690
00:36:05,693 --> 00:36:08,133
Speaker 16: way that she didn't go within a.

691
00:36:08,413 --> 00:36:09,013
Speaker 3: Until that day.

692
00:36:09,413 --> 00:36:10,853
Speaker 17: She lasted about eight.

693
00:36:10,693 --> 00:36:13,493
Speaker 16: Or seven months before it took her. But I was

694
00:36:13,533 --> 00:36:15,453
Speaker 16: listening to I think it was Sparky was at the

695
00:36:15,493 --> 00:36:17,933
Speaker 16: first guy talking about a spada and that it was

696
00:36:17,973 --> 00:36:20,053
Speaker 16: sort of that was sort of hatting home a but

697
00:36:20,213 --> 00:36:22,413
Speaker 16: and I was starting to tear up myself thinking about

698
00:36:22,493 --> 00:36:28,133
Speaker 16: Mum and the last her last week and act and

699
00:36:28,173 --> 00:36:30,333
Speaker 16: when she was in the hospital and they were having

700
00:36:30,373 --> 00:36:33,413
Speaker 16: to give her morphine because the pain was just so

701
00:36:33,533 --> 00:36:37,732
Speaker 16: incredibly you know it it was so painful that even

702
00:36:37,773 --> 00:36:41,893
Speaker 16: the morphine wasn't starting to do the trick. That just

703
00:36:41,973 --> 00:36:44,253
Speaker 16: had to you know, she just had to be well.

704
00:36:44,333 --> 00:36:46,413
Speaker 16: They had to give her so much morphine. In the end,

705
00:36:46,893 --> 00:36:49,733
Speaker 16: she's just unconscious basically, you know, sort of thing until

706
00:36:49,773 --> 00:36:58,133
Speaker 16: she stopped breathing. But yeah, and like he said about

707
00:36:59,173 --> 00:37:04,253
Speaker 16: talking when if she find out someone has canceled that

708
00:37:04,333 --> 00:37:06,373
Speaker 16: your lover, like or a friend or her lover or

709
00:37:06,413 --> 00:37:09,692
Speaker 16: remember that. And then you said, what would you recommend doing,

710
00:37:09,773 --> 00:37:12,773
Speaker 16: you know, and he said, yeah, talk with them as

711
00:37:12,853 --> 00:37:15,213
Speaker 16: much as you can and go over the memories and

712
00:37:15,253 --> 00:37:17,013
Speaker 16: that sort of thing, you know. So I thought that

713
00:37:17,133 --> 00:37:19,133
Speaker 16: was quite good too, because one of the things that

714
00:37:20,093 --> 00:37:25,053
Speaker 16: I always think about, even four years later and have

715
00:37:25,133 --> 00:37:27,573
Speaker 16: her and well up a bit, is that in the

716
00:37:27,653 --> 00:37:30,853
Speaker 16: last couple of months before Mum died, I never called her.

717
00:37:31,173 --> 00:37:34,813
Speaker 16: And I remember when the last phone call that she

718
00:37:35,173 --> 00:37:36,893
Speaker 16: I was sitting at home and she rung and I

719
00:37:36,893 --> 00:37:39,652
Speaker 16: didn't answer the phone because I was not feeling too good.

720
00:37:39,693 --> 00:37:42,813
Speaker 16: In South I got me own with my own mental

721
00:37:42,813 --> 00:37:45,373
Speaker 16: health battles, and I just think, jeez, I wish I

722
00:37:45,453 --> 00:37:47,533
Speaker 16: picked that phone up now because that would have been

723
00:37:47,573 --> 00:37:49,652
Speaker 16: the last I would have didn't know it at the time,

724
00:37:50,453 --> 00:37:52,853
Speaker 16: but it would have been the last conversation that I

725
00:37:52,893 --> 00:37:55,853
Speaker 16: would have had with Mum before she got that bad.

726
00:37:55,893 --> 00:37:59,373
Speaker 16: And like I said, you know, and it wasn't until

727
00:37:59,413 --> 00:38:03,093
Speaker 16: my aunt called me because to say that you better come,

728
00:38:03,893 --> 00:38:05,973
Speaker 16: you better come to Clyde now because your mum's in

729
00:38:05,973 --> 00:38:08,093
Speaker 16: the hospital and it doesn't look good.

730
00:38:08,493 --> 00:38:08,652
Speaker 12: Thing.

731
00:38:08,773 --> 00:38:12,213
Speaker 16: So i'bout four or five days with you the Boshy Partners.

732
00:38:12,253 --> 00:38:15,133
Speaker 2: So well, yeah, I mean sorry to hear about that.

733
00:38:15,133 --> 00:38:17,213
Speaker 3: That Phil, Yeah, and Lucky you got to spend those

734
00:38:17,293 --> 00:38:20,253
Speaker 3: days with your feel but as you say, for those

735
00:38:20,293 --> 00:38:22,973
Speaker 3: that have gone through it, and as Sharky said, you know,

736
00:38:23,093 --> 00:38:25,853
Speaker 3: talk to your family and and make sure you don't

737
00:38:25,853 --> 00:38:28,253
Speaker 3: forget how how special and loved they are. Thank you

738
00:38:28,373 --> 00:38:28,933
Speaker 3: very much for that.

739
00:38:29,133 --> 00:38:31,772
Speaker 2: Well, well personally my level talk, you know, talking to people.

740
00:38:31,813 --> 00:38:34,093
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that I feel very lucky that the

741
00:38:34,493 --> 00:38:37,133
Speaker 2: last you know, three words I said to my mum

742
00:38:37,253 --> 00:38:39,293
Speaker 2: was love your mum.

743
00:38:39,413 --> 00:38:39,813
Speaker 5: Yeah.

744
00:38:39,893 --> 00:38:42,373
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so when I look back on I know

745
00:38:42,613 --> 00:38:44,453
Speaker 2: that those are the last three words I remember them.

746
00:38:44,453 --> 00:38:45,333
Speaker 5: So that's huge.

747
00:38:45,413 --> 00:38:47,373
Speaker 2: That means a lot to me to this day.

748
00:38:47,493 --> 00:38:50,013
Speaker 3: Yeah. It is seven to two, bag very shortly here

749
00:38:50,053 --> 00:38:50,813
Speaker 3: on Newstalks EDB.

750
00:38:52,333 --> 00:38:55,893
Speaker 1: Matt Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

751
00:38:55,933 --> 00:38:59,973
Speaker 1: and eighty Tight it's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

752
00:38:59,453 --> 00:39:04,133
Speaker 3: News Talks, News Talks B. It is four to two.

753
00:39:04,413 --> 00:39:07,652
Speaker 2: So so many texts coming through now from from from

754
00:39:07,693 --> 00:39:10,733
Speaker 2: people that have been we have experienced a Nigel letter

755
00:39:10,773 --> 00:39:14,133
Speaker 2: personally or as broadcasting as shows that just tick says,

756
00:39:14,173 --> 00:39:16,133
Speaker 2: I'm glad to be honest, I saw Nigel and Toko

757
00:39:16,373 --> 00:39:19,693
Speaker 2: about twelve years ago. It was an evening that was

758
00:39:19,813 --> 00:39:23,212
Speaker 2: interest fee was one hundred dollars. It was a fantastic

759
00:39:23,373 --> 00:39:26,613
Speaker 2: interesting and thought for broken. He was brilliant and like you,

760
00:39:26,773 --> 00:39:28,973
Speaker 2: I followed much of his advice when raising my two

761
00:39:29,013 --> 00:39:33,293
Speaker 2: wonderful lads. Such a loss and there's just so many,

762
00:39:33,493 --> 00:39:36,613
Speaker 2: so many ticks coming through like that about Nigel Letter.

763
00:39:36,693 --> 00:39:41,773
Speaker 2: So you know, what do you say? Incredible life, great human,

764
00:39:42,133 --> 00:39:45,133
Speaker 2: great communicator right to the end. His book Listens on Living,

765
00:39:45,253 --> 00:39:47,373
Speaker 2: came out the day before he died and deals with

766
00:39:47,413 --> 00:39:50,853
Speaker 2: his diagnosis. A great read for anyone dealing with major

767
00:39:50,893 --> 00:39:52,893
Speaker 2: diagnoses or anyone at all.

768
00:39:53,093 --> 00:39:57,333
Speaker 3: So yeah, I recommend that rest and peace Nigel Letter. Right,

769
00:39:57,453 --> 00:40:00,733
Speaker 3: it is three minutes to to New Sport and weather

770
00:40:00,973 --> 00:40:02,213
Speaker 3: on its way.

771
00:40:04,333 --> 00:40:06,093
Speaker 5: Talking with you all afternoon.

772
00:40:06,373 --> 00:40:10,373
Speaker 1: It's Matt Heath and Taylor Adams News News dogs that'd.

773
00:40:10,173 --> 00:40:14,653
Speaker 3: Be get ADU welcome back into the program six past

774
00:40:14,853 --> 00:40:16,933
Speaker 3: So this is going to be an interesting chat. Looking

775
00:40:17,053 --> 00:40:21,013
Speaker 3: forward to this. So in New Zealand, our gaming industry

776
00:40:21,093 --> 00:40:23,732
Speaker 3: or the tech sector, is worth twenty three point eight

777
00:40:23,773 --> 00:40:27,013
Speaker 3: billion dollars. One of the country's largest and fastest growing

778
00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:30,533
Speaker 3: industries is in the gaming sector. Yet too many still

779
00:40:30,533 --> 00:40:33,813
Speaker 3: dismiss video games is just a part time, our pastime,

780
00:40:34,013 --> 00:40:37,413
Speaker 3: but clearly they are anything but. Last year it generated

781
00:40:37,453 --> 00:40:40,173
Speaker 3: seven hundred and fifty nine million dollars in revenue. It

782
00:40:40,213 --> 00:40:44,493
Speaker 3: obviously creates many high value jobs in software design and production.

783
00:40:45,133 --> 00:40:48,093
Speaker 3: But despite this rapid growth and exports success, the sector

784
00:40:48,133 --> 00:40:51,013
Speaker 3: says it still lacks the strong government support it needs

785
00:40:51,093 --> 00:40:52,693
Speaker 3: to compete globally.

786
00:40:52,893 --> 00:40:55,853
Speaker 2: Your gamer, Tyler, Yes, I am. What kind of games

787
00:40:55,893 --> 00:40:56,693
Speaker 2: do you play? Tyler?

788
00:40:56,773 --> 00:40:58,453
Speaker 3: I'm an old school gamer because I've still got an

789
00:40:58,533 --> 00:41:00,893
Speaker 3: Xbox three sixteen. I love my Xbox three six I

790
00:41:00,973 --> 00:41:03,093
Speaker 3: have an upgraded that's an old console for people that

791
00:41:03,133 --> 00:41:05,893
Speaker 3: don't know Xbox. But I still love Fallout three, fall

792
00:41:05,893 --> 00:41:07,893
Speaker 3: Out New Vegas, love the Fallout games.

793
00:41:08,013 --> 00:41:08,252
Speaker 2: Right.

794
00:41:09,413 --> 00:41:12,053
Speaker 3: I like Skyrim, Right, Skyrim is a great game. That

795
00:41:12,173 --> 00:41:13,893
Speaker 3: is a great It's very nudy of me to say,

796
00:41:13,893 --> 00:41:14,613
Speaker 3: but it's a great game.

797
00:41:14,893 --> 00:41:18,213
Speaker 2: I mainly play F one. I just mainly played the

798
00:41:18,213 --> 00:41:22,333
Speaker 2: tracks the week before the race, you know, and I,

799
00:41:22,453 --> 00:41:25,253
Speaker 2: you know, simulate them out, so you know, I'm very specific.

800
00:41:25,293 --> 00:41:27,453
Speaker 2: I've got my control of everything. In fact, Look, I

801
00:41:28,013 --> 00:41:31,893
Speaker 2: love video games, and so maybe it's a coincidence or

802
00:41:31,893 --> 00:41:33,853
Speaker 2: maybe it's just every teenage boy he loves video games.

803
00:41:33,893 --> 00:41:37,973
Speaker 2: But my teenage son loves video games, so I set

804
00:41:38,053 --> 00:41:41,493
Speaker 2: up the best system in his room so he's got everything.

805
00:41:41,493 --> 00:41:44,333
Speaker 2: He's got a high powered PC so he can play

806
00:41:44,373 --> 00:41:47,252
Speaker 2: those games. He's got a PS five plugged into it.

807
00:41:47,853 --> 00:41:50,573
Speaker 2: He's also got an Xbox. It's all lined up and

808
00:41:50,573 --> 00:41:52,773
Speaker 2: I've all patched it so he can go through the things.

809
00:41:52,813 --> 00:41:55,053
Speaker 2: He's got a big screen, he's got the steering wheel,

810
00:41:55,093 --> 00:41:59,413
Speaker 2: he's got the pedals, he's got absolutely everything. When I

811
00:41:59,453 --> 00:42:04,172
Speaker 2: say he has, I haven't week on a week off.

812
00:42:04,253 --> 00:42:08,652
Speaker 2: So when he's when he's not there, his room is is.

813
00:42:08,613 --> 00:42:10,173
Speaker 3: My gaming room.

814
00:42:10,173 --> 00:42:12,253
Speaker 2: That yeah, but you know, I love these, you know,

815
00:42:12,333 --> 00:42:15,413
Speaker 2: and and like a lot of people of my generation,

816
00:42:15,573 --> 00:42:18,173
Speaker 2: I like those sort of long form story games, the

817
00:42:18,253 --> 00:42:21,293
Speaker 2: uncharted types of games. Have just been playing the new

818
00:42:21,293 --> 00:42:24,213
Speaker 2: Indiana Jones game. I love the Turm Raider games that

819
00:42:24,733 --> 00:42:28,493
Speaker 2: all generations of that, those you know, those ones that

820
00:42:28,533 --> 00:42:30,853
Speaker 2: my son calls old man games that he would never play.

821
00:42:31,053 --> 00:42:33,293
Speaker 2: And what I find really interesting about games now is

822
00:42:33,333 --> 00:42:36,733
Speaker 2: they got to this level of incredible graphics, absolutely beautiful.

823
00:42:36,733 --> 00:42:40,173
Speaker 2: You look at the Marvel Spider Man series. You know,

824
00:42:40,293 --> 00:42:42,933
Speaker 2: you're swinging around New York and and you know, the

825
00:42:43,013 --> 00:42:46,093
Speaker 2: lights glimmering off buildings and and you know you've got

826
00:42:46,173 --> 00:42:48,813
Speaker 2: your an autumn and the leaves are incredible. This the

827
00:42:48,893 --> 00:42:52,413
Speaker 2: detail is phenomenal. But kids now do not care about that.

828
00:42:52,693 --> 00:42:56,213
Speaker 2: They do not care about graphics anymore. And so with

829
00:42:56,253 --> 00:42:58,493
Speaker 2: this incredible setup that I have my son that I've

830
00:42:58,493 --> 00:43:00,253
Speaker 2: spent all this money on, and I say son and

831
00:43:01,293 --> 00:43:03,493
Speaker 2: commons in it south And as far as he's concerned,

832
00:43:03,493 --> 00:43:05,573
Speaker 2: it's all for him because because I let him play

833
00:43:05,573 --> 00:43:08,973
Speaker 2: with when he's there, he's upstairs playing his game for

834
00:43:09,093 --> 00:43:14,973
Speaker 2: a restricted amount of timeh But now the kids, they

835
00:43:15,013 --> 00:43:19,373
Speaker 2: primarily play online, so they play more simpler games online,

836
00:43:19,933 --> 00:43:23,453
Speaker 2: but they have gone very, very simple. The cutting edge

837
00:43:23,453 --> 00:43:28,013
Speaker 2: of games now are low end graphics. They're almost sixteen

838
00:43:28,053 --> 00:43:30,693
Speaker 2: bit graphic games, right, And that's what he plays, and

839
00:43:30,733 --> 00:43:34,093
Speaker 2: you know he plays is incredibly violent games. But the

840
00:43:34,173 --> 00:43:37,013
Speaker 2: graphics they just don't care anymore. It's all about gameplay,

841
00:43:37,533 --> 00:43:40,933
Speaker 2: which is really interesting. And so I'd like to know

842
00:43:41,053 --> 00:43:43,413
Speaker 2: from people O we one hundred and eighty ten at

843
00:43:44,013 --> 00:43:46,933
Speaker 2: if you're in the game gaming industry in New Zealand,

844
00:43:47,653 --> 00:43:49,732
Speaker 2: if you're working for one of these companies that's doing

845
00:43:49,773 --> 00:43:51,453
Speaker 2: so well, as you say, Tyler, well, I'll be more

846
00:43:51,533 --> 00:43:56,613
Speaker 2: exact than you. The pre tax income reported for twenty

847
00:43:56,653 --> 00:43:59,333
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty twenty five reached seven hundred and

848
00:43:59,373 --> 00:44:02,253
Speaker 2: fifty eight million, nine hundred and nineteen, four hundred and

849
00:44:02,293 --> 00:44:03,213
Speaker 2: twenty seven dollars.

850
00:44:03,253 --> 00:44:04,093
Speaker 3: That is good money.

851
00:44:04,373 --> 00:44:07,212
Speaker 2: So that's a thirty eight point six increase. So I'd

852
00:44:07,213 --> 00:44:10,172
Speaker 2: be interested to know what games we're working in in

853
00:44:10,173 --> 00:44:13,893
Speaker 2: New Zealand. Why we're so good at it is the

854
00:44:13,933 --> 00:44:16,053
Speaker 2: reason we're doing so well is because the market has

855
00:44:16,093 --> 00:44:19,013
Speaker 2: moved away from these two hundred and fifty million dollar games.

856
00:44:19,013 --> 00:44:20,813
Speaker 2: I think that was the budget for the for the

857
00:44:20,813 --> 00:44:24,053
Speaker 2: Marble game or or you know, the much talked about

858
00:44:24,173 --> 00:44:27,652
Speaker 2: new latest Grand Theft Auto. Yes, that's but everyone's been

859
00:44:27,693 --> 00:44:28,933
Speaker 2: waiting on for a long time and a.

860
00:44:28,853 --> 00:44:29,893
Speaker 3: Long time coming that one.

861
00:44:30,093 --> 00:44:32,733
Speaker 2: You know, what area are we working in? Is it

862
00:44:32,813 --> 00:44:35,093
Speaker 2: just that this is just the cool ideas that get through,

863
00:44:36,133 --> 00:44:40,093
Speaker 2: because yeah, I mean that's that's incredible. The rapid growth

864
00:44:40,253 --> 00:44:42,853
Speaker 2: in you know this oney, four hundred and eighteen full

865
00:44:42,893 --> 00:44:46,333
Speaker 2: time employees represent a twenty nine point two percent increase

866
00:44:46,413 --> 00:44:47,293
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty five.

867
00:44:47,973 --> 00:44:50,453
Speaker 3: It's huge growth, isn't it? And it's interesting you mentioned

868
00:44:50,453 --> 00:44:52,493
Speaker 3: that the you know, people like your son and other

869
00:44:52,493 --> 00:44:54,813
Speaker 3: young people getting into gaming don't care so much about

870
00:44:54,853 --> 00:44:58,133
Speaker 3: the graphics and going to those the games that are

871
00:44:58,173 --> 00:45:01,893
Speaker 3: not so detailed graphically but incredible gameplay. But I remember,

872
00:45:01,893 --> 00:45:03,652
Speaker 3: and I think they are still doing good things. It

873
00:45:03,733 --> 00:45:06,693
Speaker 3: was called Ninja Kiwi, which was a game startup in

874
00:45:06,733 --> 00:45:10,773
Speaker 3: New Zealand creating games for iPhone apps. But one of

875
00:45:10,813 --> 00:45:15,573
Speaker 3: the most successful it was called Balloons b LN is

876
00:45:15,693 --> 00:45:18,893
Speaker 3: super simple. The graphics weren't fantastic, but it was so addictive.

877
00:45:18,933 --> 00:45:21,173
Speaker 3: It was just this monkey and it was a puzzle

878
00:45:21,213 --> 00:45:23,493
Speaker 3: game and you had to figure out the best way

879
00:45:23,773 --> 00:45:25,773
Speaker 3: or the ultimate way to pop all of the balloons

880
00:45:25,813 --> 00:45:28,212
Speaker 3: per level, and it was so addictive. But that went

881
00:45:28,333 --> 00:45:31,652
Speaker 3: gang buses. That's how they got there standing on the

882
00:45:31,653 --> 00:45:33,573
Speaker 3: international and now they're doing great things.

883
00:45:33,613 --> 00:45:36,773
Speaker 2: So is he primarily because most gaming now is done

884
00:45:36,813 --> 00:45:39,973
Speaker 2: on phones, isn't it. Yes, So you know, the games

885
00:45:40,013 --> 00:45:42,693
Speaker 2: don't have to be as complex, but the gamey gameplay

886
00:45:42,733 --> 00:45:45,733
Speaker 2: has to be addictive. So is that where New Zealand

887
00:45:45,813 --> 00:45:48,733
Speaker 2: is making most of its games. I mean, and you know,

888
00:45:49,053 --> 00:45:51,453
Speaker 2: as we were saying before, the great thing about this

889
00:45:52,533 --> 00:45:55,613
Speaker 2: industry is it's an all export industry. The money's coming

890
00:45:55,653 --> 00:45:57,813
Speaker 2: straight into the country, but it doesn't involve any shipping,

891
00:45:58,933 --> 00:46:02,453
Speaker 2: It doesn't involve any logistics in that manner at all. No,

892
00:46:02,533 --> 00:46:04,133
Speaker 2: you make the game, you put it up for sale,

893
00:46:04,133 --> 00:46:08,293
Speaker 2: and people download it and play it massively scalable. Yeah,

894
00:46:08,773 --> 00:46:11,413
Speaker 2: so is that is that the area that we're making

895
00:46:11,533 --> 00:46:13,093
Speaker 2: most of our games and most of our money in

896
00:46:13,133 --> 00:46:15,013
Speaker 2: New Zealand because it's it's called isn't this the kind

897
00:46:15,013 --> 00:46:19,053
Speaker 2: of industry we absolutely want? We love the farmers, we

898
00:46:19,093 --> 00:46:22,133
Speaker 2: love the agriculture, we love the primary sector, and God

899
00:46:22,253 --> 00:46:23,933
Speaker 2: knows we need them right now and they're holding the

900
00:46:23,933 --> 00:46:26,613
Speaker 2: country together, but we also need something on top of

901
00:46:26,613 --> 00:46:29,413
Speaker 2: it that the base that that that that economy gives

902
00:46:29,493 --> 00:46:33,173
Speaker 2: us to be able to move up to other levels

903
00:46:34,853 --> 00:46:39,573
Speaker 2: is so important. But isn't this exactly where we want

904
00:46:39,613 --> 00:46:42,733
Speaker 2: to be going and where we want to develop? And

905
00:46:42,733 --> 00:46:44,653
Speaker 2: in the sky is the limit? If you do something

906
00:46:44,733 --> 00:46:47,853
Speaker 2: incredibly successful and you come up with a grain game

907
00:46:47,893 --> 00:46:50,693
Speaker 2: that just goes everywhere. You take Fortnite for example, obviously

908
00:46:50,693 --> 00:46:56,093
Speaker 2: not a New Zealand game. The income phenomenal that that

909
00:46:56,093 --> 00:46:58,573
Speaker 2: could come into our country. So the question is is

910
00:46:58,573 --> 00:47:01,973
Speaker 2: the government doing enough to support the gaming industry? Could

911
00:47:02,013 --> 00:47:04,333
Speaker 2: we do more? They're doing some, but could we do more?

912
00:47:04,533 --> 00:47:08,133
Speaker 2: And in our countries like Australia are offering big rebates.

913
00:47:08,973 --> 00:47:11,893
Speaker 2: So yeah, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. The gaming industry

914
00:47:11,893 --> 00:47:13,573
Speaker 2: in New Zealand and gaming in general.

915
00:47:13,653 --> 00:47:15,453
Speaker 3: Yeah, love to hear from your If you're a gamer,

916
00:47:15,493 --> 00:47:16,973
Speaker 3: what are you playing right now? And if you're in

917
00:47:17,013 --> 00:47:19,893
Speaker 3: the industry, how is it looking, what are you working on?

918
00:47:20,173 --> 00:47:22,453
Speaker 3: And what can the government do to help us kick

919
00:47:22,533 --> 00:47:25,813
Speaker 3: butt internationally in the gaming industry? It is fourteen parts

920
00:47:25,813 --> 00:47:27,253
Speaker 3: two bag very surely.

921
00:47:27,613 --> 00:47:32,173
Speaker 1: Wow your home of afternoon talk Matt Heathen, Taylor Adams

922
00:47:32,213 --> 00:47:35,573
Speaker 1: afternoons call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty us.

923
00:47:35,493 --> 00:47:36,373
Speaker 5: Talk ZIV.

924
00:47:38,413 --> 00:47:40,213
Speaker 3: For a good afternoon Chere we are talking about the

925
00:47:40,213 --> 00:47:43,453
Speaker 3: gaming industry in New Zealand. It is a cliche, but

926
00:47:43,533 --> 00:47:46,293
Speaker 3: it's true. It does punch above its weight, but it's

927
00:47:46,293 --> 00:47:49,173
Speaker 3: calling out for more government support to help it compete

928
00:47:49,213 --> 00:47:51,933
Speaker 3: on the international stage. But ken you hear from you?

929
00:47:52,053 --> 00:47:54,172
Speaker 3: If you are a gamer, what are you playing? Where

930
00:47:54,173 --> 00:47:55,973
Speaker 3: are you going to play your games? Are you playing

931
00:47:55,973 --> 00:47:59,252
Speaker 3: New Zealand created games? Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty

932
00:47:59,293 --> 00:47:59,973
Speaker 3: is the number to.

933
00:47:59,933 --> 00:48:03,653
Speaker 2: Call this Texas says, my son has a good old

934
00:48:03,853 --> 00:48:09,172
Speaker 2: eighty KGCRT TV setup in his rooms one one, PS two,

935
00:48:09,253 --> 00:48:12,212
Speaker 2: PS three, and then the PS four and PS five

936
00:48:12,653 --> 00:48:14,893
Speaker 2: are all on the flat streen in the lounge. I'm

937
00:48:14,893 --> 00:48:17,773
Speaker 2: an enabler. I feel like I'm an anabler as well.

938
00:48:18,053 --> 00:48:20,493
Speaker 2: But dam the sound quality of the good old CRT

939
00:48:20,733 --> 00:48:25,493
Speaker 2: is unbelievable. He's got Grand Turismo for all the consoles.

940
00:48:25,813 --> 00:48:29,253
Speaker 2: I love abes Odyssey. Now, abes Odyssey, what a fantastic game,

941
00:48:30,013 --> 00:48:31,093
Speaker 2: abes odyssee.

942
00:48:30,853 --> 00:48:32,053
Speaker 3: That brings me some memories.

943
00:48:32,253 --> 00:48:35,573
Speaker 2: See that interestingly, because because I used to show my

944
00:48:35,653 --> 00:48:38,533
Speaker 2: kids the old video games that I used to play,

945
00:48:38,613 --> 00:48:42,732
Speaker 2: you know, the early iterations of m Raider where Lara

946
00:48:42,773 --> 00:48:46,573
Speaker 2: Croft basically was running a couple of triangles yep, and

947
00:48:46,653 --> 00:48:48,613
Speaker 2: they would laugh at them. But that's what the games

948
00:48:48,853 --> 00:48:52,133
Speaker 2: look like now. Yeah, So abs Odyssey, that kind of

949
00:48:52,173 --> 00:48:55,013
Speaker 2: game is coming back retro gaming because it's all about

950
00:48:55,053 --> 00:48:58,573
Speaker 2: the gameplay. They're not impressed by the graphics any anymore,

951
00:48:58,613 --> 00:48:59,573
Speaker 2: which is fascinating.

952
00:48:59,893 --> 00:49:02,813
Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

953
00:49:02,813 --> 00:49:03,853
Speaker 2: Todd Welcome to the show.

954
00:49:04,973 --> 00:49:09,213
Speaker 7: Yeah, I look, I say bring back the Nintendo sixty.

955
00:49:08,813 --> 00:49:13,893
Speaker 3: Four, great console, that was my first one, Todd, I.

956
00:49:13,813 --> 00:49:18,773
Speaker 7: Remember I remember Rambow, Aliens and Batman were the best

957
00:49:18,813 --> 00:49:23,773
Speaker 7: games ever. Yeah, graphics compared to today maybe wouldn't matched, but

958
00:49:23,893 --> 00:49:25,893
Speaker 7: I'm just amazing back.

959
00:49:26,373 --> 00:49:29,653
Speaker 3: But even you know, GoldenEye Double O seven on Nintendo

960
00:49:29,733 --> 00:49:32,373
Speaker 3: sixty four is held up as I think one of

961
00:49:32,373 --> 00:49:34,533
Speaker 3: the greatest games of all time. Zelda was another one

962
00:49:34,533 --> 00:49:36,693
Speaker 3: on Nintendo sixty four. But I remember as a kid

963
00:49:37,213 --> 00:49:40,013
Speaker 3: thinking when I got this Nintendo sixty four, Mum got

964
00:49:40,013 --> 00:49:41,653
Speaker 3: it in Ossie and brought back a whole bunch of

965
00:49:41,693 --> 00:49:44,973
Speaker 3: games for me as well, thinking the graphics are amazing

966
00:49:45,013 --> 00:49:47,493
Speaker 3: on this, how do you get better than this? And

967
00:49:47,533 --> 00:49:50,933
Speaker 3: I look back now and thinking, man, how times have

968
00:49:51,053 --> 00:49:53,293
Speaker 3: changed now? But what what fantastic gameplay?

969
00:49:54,173 --> 00:49:54,853
Speaker 7: That gameplay?

970
00:49:54,933 --> 00:49:55,093
Speaker 4: Right?

971
00:49:55,173 --> 00:49:55,333
Speaker 6: Yeah?

972
00:49:55,373 --> 00:49:57,733
Speaker 7: And I remember we used to hide the Nintendo sixty

973
00:49:57,773 --> 00:50:00,252
Speaker 7: four deck in the games from the old video shop,

974
00:50:00,373 --> 00:50:01,413
Speaker 7: right yeah.

975
00:50:01,613 --> 00:50:06,413
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah. Benjo Kazooi was another one I loved as

976
00:50:06,413 --> 00:50:08,213
Speaker 3: a kid. I don't know if you remember Banjo Kazooi,

977
00:50:08,693 --> 00:50:12,373
Speaker 3: which was kind of like almost Mario sixty four style,

978
00:50:12,573 --> 00:50:14,133
Speaker 3: but I was obsessed by it.

979
00:50:14,973 --> 00:50:16,773
Speaker 2: When you used to hire a game today, there was

980
00:50:16,773 --> 00:50:19,413
Speaker 2: a lot of pressure to to, you know, clock it

981
00:50:19,493 --> 00:50:20,173
Speaker 2: before you gave it.

982
00:50:20,213 --> 00:50:20,772
Speaker 3: Took it back.

983
00:50:20,853 --> 00:50:23,933
Speaker 7: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah you would. You would hire it

984
00:50:23,973 --> 00:50:26,053
Speaker 7: for like forty eight hours or twenty four hours and

985
00:50:26,373 --> 00:50:27,293
Speaker 7: not get much sweet.

986
00:50:27,493 --> 00:50:30,053
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well you.

987
00:50:29,893 --> 00:50:31,733
Speaker 2: You you must have been a Mario player then a

988
00:50:31,773 --> 00:50:33,933
Speaker 2: Super Mario player if you're on the Nintendo.

989
00:50:34,413 --> 00:50:37,692
Speaker 7: Not really, Mario was a bit. I mean I got

990
00:50:37,733 --> 00:50:39,173
Speaker 7: into Sonic the Hedgehog, which.

991
00:50:39,173 --> 00:50:44,212
Speaker 2: A right that two that was Siga Sega good.

992
00:50:45,493 --> 00:50:48,373
Speaker 3: I think there was a pretty amazing w w E

993
00:50:48,493 --> 00:50:50,973
Speaker 3: or w w F game on sixty four, Royal Rumble.

994
00:50:51,253 --> 00:50:53,613
Speaker 3: I've got memories of playing Royal Rubbit Rumble. You know

995
00:50:53,653 --> 00:50:54,493
Speaker 3: you didn't play that one?

996
00:50:55,333 --> 00:50:58,693
Speaker 2: No, no, so the when when I first played Sonic

997
00:50:58,693 --> 00:51:01,413
Speaker 2: the head Shog. You know you're talking about graphics, the

998
00:51:01,493 --> 00:51:03,613
Speaker 2: speed of sonicly Hdgehog. When you first played that on

999
00:51:03,613 --> 00:51:06,053
Speaker 2: the Mega system, Mega drive, Mega what was that the

1000
00:51:06,253 --> 00:51:09,533
Speaker 2: Mega drives, Megaga Drive, Yeah, Mega drive. I couldn't believe.

1001
00:51:10,213 --> 00:51:13,173
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe how fast that game was moving.

1002
00:51:13,813 --> 00:51:16,093
Speaker 12: And then interesting to put it on a big screen TV.

1003
00:51:16,253 --> 00:51:19,933
Speaker 2: Now yeah yeah, but but Todd, you know you say

1004
00:51:19,933 --> 00:51:21,933
Speaker 2: that the graphics wouldn't hold up. Now that's that's the

1005
00:51:22,013 --> 00:51:24,733
Speaker 2: interesting thing is that the kids are going back to

1006
00:51:25,093 --> 00:51:28,133
Speaker 2: poor graphics. As I was saying before, it's this whole

1007
00:51:28,173 --> 00:51:31,093
Speaker 2: new move in gaming and eight hundred and eighty ten

1008
00:51:31,133 --> 00:51:32,732
Speaker 2: eighty someone won't be able to speak to this why

1009
00:51:32,773 --> 00:51:37,252
Speaker 2: this is. But they're just over the challenge. They're they're

1010
00:51:37,293 --> 00:51:39,973
Speaker 2: over it. They just they're over the incredible graphics. They

1011
00:51:39,973 --> 00:51:42,413
Speaker 2: just want gameplay surprises me.

1012
00:51:42,533 --> 00:51:44,373
Speaker 7: Is that from your son and his mates and stuff

1013
00:51:44,413 --> 00:51:44,772
Speaker 7: like that?

1014
00:51:45,093 --> 00:51:45,333
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1015
00:51:45,493 --> 00:51:50,093
Speaker 7: Or yeah, yeah, Well I'm surprised, I think no, wait,

1016
00:51:50,213 --> 00:51:50,693
Speaker 7: surely not.

1017
00:51:51,133 --> 00:51:51,333
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1018
00:51:51,333 --> 00:51:55,933
Speaker 2: They like these They're obsessed by these indie games and games,

1019
00:51:55,973 --> 00:51:58,773
Speaker 2: and they follow creators and then they hear about them

1020
00:51:58,773 --> 00:52:00,853
Speaker 2: designing them, and they come out and they have sequels

1021
00:52:00,853 --> 00:52:02,213
Speaker 2: to it. And I'll go up to the room and

1022
00:52:02,253 --> 00:52:05,653
Speaker 2: he's just murdering thousands of thousands of people. But unlike

1023
00:52:05,693 --> 00:52:09,653
Speaker 2: when he's playing something like Redebed Redemption, where it's realistic

1024
00:52:09,653 --> 00:52:11,853
Speaker 2: looking people and he's blowing people's brains out, I sort

1025
00:52:11,853 --> 00:52:16,373
Speaker 2: of think it's better when he's just annihilating pixels. You know,

1026
00:52:17,133 --> 00:52:17,973
Speaker 2: the games we used to.

1027
00:52:17,973 --> 00:52:23,133
Speaker 7: Buy life this game. Since I've been running my businesses

1028
00:52:23,173 --> 00:52:26,772
Speaker 7: for probably about twenty years, fifteen years, but you might

1029
00:52:27,493 --> 00:52:29,653
Speaker 7: it now the old age of Empires on laptop.

1030
00:52:29,853 --> 00:52:31,213
Speaker 3: Yeah, another great one.

1031
00:52:31,893 --> 00:52:34,573
Speaker 7: Back in the late nineties, I think two thousand.

1032
00:52:34,773 --> 00:52:37,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, Command and Conquer as well, Todd. I don't know

1033
00:52:37,933 --> 00:52:39,973
Speaker 3: if you remember that Command and Conquer was a great

1034
00:52:40,093 --> 00:52:40,893
Speaker 3: bring that back.

1035
00:52:42,533 --> 00:52:45,692
Speaker 7: All that, and there was a Command and Conquer. Oh look,

1036
00:52:45,693 --> 00:52:50,093
Speaker 7: I don't know the terminology now, but first person or

1037
00:52:50,653 --> 00:52:53,253
Speaker 7: was it on the Red Dawn? What was that?

1038
00:52:53,293 --> 00:52:53,893
Speaker 18: The ah?

1039
00:52:53,973 --> 00:52:57,613
Speaker 3: Yeah, Command and Conquer red alert alert.

1040
00:52:57,693 --> 00:53:02,453
Speaker 7: Yeah, then you're against kind of what do you call it?

1041
00:53:03,453 --> 00:53:03,933
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1042
00:53:04,133 --> 00:53:05,973
Speaker 3: I think I think they're act had because they had

1043
00:53:05,973 --> 00:53:09,573
Speaker 3: we cut scenes where they had actual actors and actors,

1044
00:53:09,973 --> 00:53:12,133
Speaker 3: you know, the head of the Russian military or the

1045
00:53:12,213 --> 00:53:15,293
Speaker 3: US military. Remember they had Tim Curry, Tim Curry, the

1046
00:53:15,293 --> 00:53:17,253
Speaker 3: Hollywood actor, and I think he was the head of

1047
00:53:17,293 --> 00:53:21,053
Speaker 3: the Russian forces.

1048
00:53:24,373 --> 00:53:25,733
Speaker 2: Well, I think what I'm.

1049
00:53:25,573 --> 00:53:25,853
Speaker 13: Going to do.

1050
00:53:25,853 --> 00:53:27,172
Speaker 2: I have just looked up how much you can buy

1051
00:53:27,173 --> 00:53:30,413
Speaker 2: a retro Nintendo sixty four at about four hundred bucks.

1052
00:53:30,413 --> 00:53:32,212
Speaker 2: So I think I'll buy one of those and then

1053
00:53:32,213 --> 00:53:34,733
Speaker 2: book a hotel room and you and Tyler can spend

1054
00:53:34,733 --> 00:53:36,133
Speaker 2: a weekend playing games.

1055
00:53:36,613 --> 00:53:38,493
Speaker 3: I'm fizzed up by that, Todd. That sounds like a

1056
00:53:38,533 --> 00:53:41,053
Speaker 3: great night. Hey, thanks for your call, mate, lover oh

1057
00:53:41,053 --> 00:53:43,293
Speaker 3: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the numbered call.

1058
00:53:43,333 --> 00:53:45,093
Speaker 3: We are talking about gaming and if you want to

1059
00:53:45,133 --> 00:53:47,333
Speaker 3: talk about the games that you played, all you're playing

1060
00:53:47,373 --> 00:53:49,493
Speaker 3: right now where you played as a youngster. Really keen

1061
00:53:49,573 --> 00:53:51,252
Speaker 3: to hear from you. So many ticks are coming through.

1062
00:53:51,333 --> 00:53:53,693
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean this is the absolute truth. A

1063
00:53:53,773 --> 00:53:56,573
Speaker 2: couple of ticks coming through on Joon Oloma rugby on

1064
00:53:57,253 --> 00:54:01,173
Speaker 2: the PS one. What a great game. Yeah, digging like

1065
00:54:01,213 --> 00:54:04,933
Speaker 2: a demented mall. Jonah Lomu was so much bigger than

1066
00:54:04,973 --> 00:54:08,173
Speaker 2: all the other the other characters on the field, jon Olama.

1067
00:54:08,493 --> 00:54:11,213
Speaker 2: They've tried to make rugby games since then, but they've

1068
00:54:11,293 --> 00:54:12,973
Speaker 2: never got the game player as good as John O

1069
00:54:12,973 --> 00:54:15,373
Speaker 2: loom and rugby. What a fantastic game that was.

1070
00:54:15,453 --> 00:54:18,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was huge. It is twenty three pass two.

1071
00:54:18,573 --> 00:54:20,453
Speaker 3: O eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1072
00:54:20,453 --> 00:54:24,732
Speaker 3: to call.

1073
00:54:24,773 --> 00:54:27,053
Speaker 5: Matt Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons.

1074
00:54:27,053 --> 00:54:29,732
Speaker 1: Call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on used Talk

1075
00:54:29,813 --> 00:54:30,893
Speaker 1: ZB for a.

1076
00:54:30,813 --> 00:54:32,773
Speaker 3: Good afternoon to you. It is twenty five past two

1077
00:54:32,773 --> 00:54:35,172
Speaker 3: and we're talking about gaming. So the gaming industry in

1078
00:54:35,213 --> 00:54:38,213
Speaker 3: New Zealand, it does punch above its weight considering the

1079
00:54:38,253 --> 00:54:41,893
Speaker 3: resources that they have to utilize. But very clever people

1080
00:54:41,893 --> 00:54:44,252
Speaker 3: in this country doing very clever things, but they are

1081
00:54:44,613 --> 00:54:46,933
Speaker 3: asking or needing a bit more government support to be

1082
00:54:46,973 --> 00:54:50,253
Speaker 3: able to compete internationally. But if you are into gaming,

1083
00:54:50,293 --> 00:54:51,893
Speaker 3: we'd love to hear what are you playing, what do

1084
00:54:51,933 --> 00:54:54,813
Speaker 3: you remember playing? And if you're in the industry, how

1085
00:54:54,853 --> 00:54:56,413
Speaker 3: is it looking at the moment? Oh eight hundred eighteen

1086
00:54:56,453 --> 00:54:57,093
Speaker 3: eighty so, and I'm going to.

1087
00:54:57,133 --> 00:55:00,453
Speaker 2: Call Resident Evil four best game ever made for PS two.

1088
00:55:00,533 --> 00:55:03,773
Speaker 2: I lost hundreds of hours playing that one, easy, medium, hard,

1089
00:55:03,813 --> 00:55:06,973
Speaker 2: and nightmare. Now I work not as much fun. That's

1090
00:55:06,973 --> 00:55:11,413
Speaker 2: from Taylor. They they're remaking all these games because my

1091
00:55:11,453 --> 00:55:13,333
Speaker 2: son's playing some old is and evil games or is

1092
00:55:13,333 --> 00:55:15,653
Speaker 2: it an evil too? Was good that there's this particular

1093
00:55:15,733 --> 00:55:18,013
Speaker 2: jump scare that people have played that game that will

1094
00:55:18,013 --> 00:55:20,933
Speaker 2: remember when the zombie comes jumping through the window.

1095
00:55:21,613 --> 00:55:24,893
Speaker 3: Terrifying game, terrifying games. Gary, How are you.

1096
00:55:27,053 --> 00:55:27,373
Speaker 12: Yourself?

1097
00:55:27,733 --> 00:55:28,893
Speaker 3: Very good? Are you into gaming?

1098
00:55:30,173 --> 00:55:30,413
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1099
00:55:30,573 --> 00:55:32,093
Speaker 12: Here, probably a bit too much?

1100
00:55:33,693 --> 00:55:35,493
Speaker 3: And what what are you playing on now? Have you

1101
00:55:35,533 --> 00:55:37,733
Speaker 3: got the new consoles or you're going old school?

1102
00:55:38,813 --> 00:55:39,093
Speaker 7: No?

1103
00:55:39,093 --> 00:55:45,133
Speaker 12: No, no, old school, don't swear at me. No. See,

1104
00:55:46,733 --> 00:55:50,893
Speaker 12: well they call it master I saw something. I mean

1105
00:55:50,973 --> 00:55:56,093
Speaker 12: p se versus console. But yeah, play call it Judy,

1106
00:55:57,493 --> 00:56:03,853
Speaker 12: Battlefield de Old A Force or first First some shooter games.

1107
00:56:03,893 --> 00:56:06,453
Speaker 2: Are you playing those on online?

1108
00:56:06,813 --> 00:56:07,013
Speaker 12: Yeah?

1109
00:56:07,053 --> 00:56:09,613
Speaker 2: I mean that the level of skill playing you know,

1110
00:56:09,693 --> 00:56:11,893
Speaker 2: any of those games online. It's phenomenal, isn't it.

1111
00:56:13,293 --> 00:56:17,533
Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm not skilled, Crocky. I'm just about bloody sixty now,

1112
00:56:17,653 --> 00:56:21,652
Speaker 12: and so they all reflexes that are pretty slow, So

1113
00:56:21,693 --> 00:56:25,133
Speaker 12: you're going to be a bit craftier as opposed to

1114
00:56:25,973 --> 00:56:30,173
Speaker 12: go fast. But my gaming is sort of started. Yeah,

1115
00:56:30,333 --> 00:56:34,172
Speaker 12: I suppose it's about fourteen, somewhere around the Struth. That's

1116
00:56:34,173 --> 00:56:38,093
Speaker 12: about forty four odd years ago playing Pong.

1117
00:56:38,893 --> 00:56:40,652
Speaker 3: Oh yeah great game.

1118
00:56:41,933 --> 00:56:46,533
Speaker 12: Yeah not really when you think about these days, but yeah,

1119
00:56:46,813 --> 00:56:48,333
Speaker 12: suddenly and yeah you sort of.

1120
00:56:48,293 --> 00:56:50,613
Speaker 13: Moved on to the old Sega and the scene.

1121
00:56:51,333 --> 00:56:54,772
Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah, he played on the old Commodore sixty four

1122
00:56:55,133 --> 00:56:59,212
Speaker 12: and so forth back in those days. But yeah, then

1123
00:56:59,253 --> 00:57:03,093
Speaker 12: we progressed. Mentioned the sea games, I think a Strauss

1124
00:57:03,133 --> 00:57:07,013
Speaker 12: Master or something like that spacey game that played on theirs. Yeah,

1125
00:57:07,053 --> 00:57:09,573
Speaker 12: he's been airs and airs trying to get through all

1126
00:57:09,573 --> 00:57:13,933
Speaker 12: these things. And yeah, most of the time you got

1127
00:57:14,373 --> 00:57:21,813
Speaker 12: got smashed, but yeah, such as life. But yeah, yeah

1128
00:57:21,893 --> 00:57:27,933
Speaker 12: you saw progress from there. You go on to the PlayStation. Yes,

1129
00:57:28,053 --> 00:57:33,333
Speaker 12: you did have the old three sixty, but yeah, PlayStation

1130
00:57:33,533 --> 00:57:35,213
Speaker 12: was better in those days.

1131
00:57:35,773 --> 00:57:38,013
Speaker 2: So when you talk about Pong, you talking about that

1132
00:57:38,093 --> 00:57:40,813
Speaker 2: game that just had two sort of bars that went

1133
00:57:40,893 --> 00:57:43,213
Speaker 2: up and down and you had a cursor back and forth,

1134
00:57:43,213 --> 00:57:45,533
Speaker 2: and it was sort of a representation of ping pong.

1135
00:57:46,533 --> 00:57:46,733
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1136
00:57:47,093 --> 00:57:53,973
Speaker 2: Yeah, see, people addictive, great gameplay. Absolutely the only control

1137
00:57:54,013 --> 00:57:56,093
Speaker 2: you've got this ability to You don't even have control

1138
00:57:56,173 --> 00:57:58,053
Speaker 2: how far you hit the ball back. All you've got

1139
00:57:58,093 --> 00:58:01,933
Speaker 2: control of is moving the rectangle up and down so

1140
00:58:02,013 --> 00:58:04,613
Speaker 2: it can knock the square back and forth with your opponent.

1141
00:58:04,733 --> 00:58:05,093
Speaker 12: Yeah.

1142
00:58:05,133 --> 00:58:07,613
Speaker 2: And that was enough fun, wasn't it.

1143
00:58:07,653 --> 00:58:12,653
Speaker 12: But yeah, nowadays, I know we get this idea that

1144
00:58:12,773 --> 00:58:16,653
Speaker 12: everybody's going back to the yeah eight, But yeah, this

1145
00:58:16,773 --> 00:58:23,933
Speaker 12: whole games and the ain thing I can think of

1146
00:58:23,653 --> 00:58:26,493
Speaker 12: the broken bums that can't afford a decent machine, they're

1147
00:58:26,493 --> 00:58:29,773
Speaker 12: still paint on a PlayStation run or two.

1148
00:58:29,933 --> 00:58:32,853
Speaker 2: You know, well, I can tell you, Gary, because my

1149
00:58:32,973 --> 00:58:35,933
Speaker 2: sixteen year old son is deep into gaming in a

1150
00:58:35,973 --> 00:58:38,213
Speaker 2: way that I used to be deep into alternative music.

1151
00:58:38,693 --> 00:58:40,733
Speaker 2: So there's a path they go, and they know the

1152
00:58:40,773 --> 00:58:43,733
Speaker 2: story of the people that can that program the games right,

1153
00:58:43,813 --> 00:58:45,613
Speaker 2: the games. They know when they're coming out, and when

1154
00:58:45,613 --> 00:58:48,973
Speaker 2: they come out, they're heavy gameplay, but the graphics and

1155
00:58:49,293 --> 00:58:52,813
Speaker 2: often they're two D, they're from above, and they're incredibly difficult.

1156
00:58:52,813 --> 00:58:55,533
Speaker 2: Because what they got sick of as games that I

1157
00:58:55,613 --> 00:58:57,813
Speaker 2: like playing where you get a thousand chances, you go

1158
00:58:57,893 --> 00:58:59,893
Speaker 2: into the room, you shoot everyone, and then if you die,

1159
00:58:59,933 --> 00:59:02,813
Speaker 2: you get another goe. They like the games now where

1160
00:59:02,813 --> 00:59:06,213
Speaker 2: it comes through and you just die. It's so incredibly hard.

1161
00:59:07,133 --> 00:59:09,893
Speaker 2: Like old school games there were you know, second chances

1162
00:59:10,053 --> 00:59:13,133
Speaker 2: and lives came in much later in gaming, so that

1163
00:59:13,173 --> 00:59:15,333
Speaker 2: they just love that because because if they've just been

1164
00:59:15,333 --> 00:59:17,333
Speaker 2: brought up in the games, their minds have been warped

1165
00:59:17,373 --> 00:59:19,533
Speaker 2: by them and they're just not impressed by the graphics anymore.

1166
00:59:19,613 --> 00:59:21,533
Speaker 2: And I'm amazed when I go up to my son's room,

1167
00:59:21,533 --> 00:59:24,613
Speaker 2: he's got this incredibly he's got an incredibly expensive PC.

1168
00:59:24,773 --> 00:59:28,013
Speaker 2: I bought him with an incredible graphics card, and he's

1169
00:59:28,093 --> 00:59:31,893
Speaker 2: playing games that you could play on floody Nintendo sixty four,

1170
00:59:33,213 --> 00:59:40,733
Speaker 2: probably on Commodore, on the Zex eighty one.

1171
00:59:41,373 --> 00:59:49,533
Speaker 12: Oh. To give me an idea, like most of the

1172
00:59:49,653 --> 00:59:52,773
Speaker 12: games that came out on the Sega system, on the

1173
00:59:53,533 --> 01:00:00,853
Speaker 12: Nintendo system and so forth, he Cam ROMs and you

1174
01:00:00,893 --> 01:00:07,693
Speaker 12: can get these heaps on heaps of different lats. That's

1175
01:00:08,373 --> 01:00:12,093
Speaker 12: can basically take all those ROMs and actually play them

1176
01:00:12,133 --> 01:00:16,413
Speaker 12: on any system that you've got computer system brothers. So

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01:00:16,773 --> 01:00:22,453
Speaker 12: you know, the old retro games aren't lost, They're still there.

1178
01:00:25,493 --> 01:00:25,693
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1179
01:00:25,693 --> 01:00:29,133
Speaker 12: I tried to say Commanded Conquer the other day they

1180
01:00:29,453 --> 01:00:33,413
Speaker 12: downloaded it, but yeah, Health Computer's a bit too advanced.

1181
01:00:35,973 --> 01:00:38,013
Speaker 12: Also Tiberian Wars or something.

1182
01:00:39,333 --> 01:00:40,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean you can get you can get

1183
01:00:40,653 --> 01:00:43,253
Speaker 2: those emulators, can't you. And the problem is, you know

1184
01:00:43,293 --> 01:00:45,773
Speaker 2: I've foundloaded those emulators before, and I start playing these

1185
01:00:45,773 --> 01:00:48,053
Speaker 2: games that I've just raved about my whole life. Yeah,

1186
01:00:48,133 --> 01:00:50,333
Speaker 2: and you play them again and you go, oh, maybe.

1187
01:00:50,253 --> 01:00:53,733
Speaker 3: It's never the same, you remember, maybe things.

1188
01:00:53,493 --> 01:00:56,493
Speaker 12: Have moved on all of my bloody farm, Like I

1189
01:00:56,573 --> 01:01:03,333
Speaker 12: was playing Jesus the Original Space Invaders and also Defender.

1190
01:01:03,933 --> 01:01:09,493
Speaker 12: Yeah you don't remember Defender. There was the Yeah, best

1191
01:01:09,573 --> 01:01:12,533
Speaker 12: game at the time when it came out on Gallagher

1192
01:01:12,693 --> 01:01:13,453
Speaker 12: Spacing Machines.

1193
01:01:13,653 --> 01:01:15,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.

1194
01:01:15,093 --> 01:01:15,573
Speaker 12: It was good.

1195
01:01:15,773 --> 01:01:19,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the track to Gallagher was playing so

1196
01:01:19,373 --> 01:01:23,093
Speaker 2: long on twenty cents that your chips and your and

1197
01:01:23,133 --> 01:01:25,453
Speaker 2: your hot dog were ready in waiting.

1198
01:01:25,373 --> 01:01:26,933
Speaker 3: A lot of skill. That Yeah, a lot of skill.

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01:01:27,093 --> 01:01:29,173
Speaker 2: I think you call Gary. I think one of the

1200
01:01:29,173 --> 01:01:32,373
Speaker 2: reasons why kids are going back to these lower I

1201
01:01:32,373 --> 01:01:35,573
Speaker 2: guess low, low graphics games. Lower quality graphic games are

1202
01:01:35,613 --> 01:01:38,893
Speaker 2: games like Minecraft and Roadblocks that became so big. But

1203
01:01:38,933 --> 01:01:43,693
Speaker 2: Minecraft isn't about the graphics. It's it's all square, blocky graphics,

1204
01:01:43,693 --> 01:01:46,333
Speaker 2: but it's just the huge expanse of what you can

1205
01:01:46,373 --> 01:01:50,013
Speaker 2: do in a sandbox game. You can do anything, anything

1206
01:01:50,333 --> 01:01:52,733
Speaker 2: you want, So the graphics became less important, and now

1207
01:01:53,333 --> 01:01:56,173
Speaker 2: that sort of conditioned them to not care about graphics. Yeah,

1208
01:01:56,413 --> 01:01:58,213
Speaker 2: you know that's what That's one theory on it.

1209
01:01:58,613 --> 01:02:00,533
Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1210
01:02:00,613 --> 01:02:03,293
Speaker 3: to call. We've got one line spare if you want

1211
01:02:03,333 --> 01:02:04,813
Speaker 3: to get through. Really can never chat with you.

1212
01:02:05,053 --> 01:02:09,013
Speaker 2: Path of Exile, New Zealand made game is doing x dreamly.

1213
01:02:09,093 --> 01:02:11,413
Speaker 2: Well is that what that's from that company? Isn't it that?

1214
01:02:12,053 --> 01:02:13,333
Speaker 5: What do they call Rocketworks?

1215
01:02:13,773 --> 01:02:17,173
Speaker 2: No, they are the GGG grinding year games. I think

1216
01:02:17,213 --> 01:02:19,333
Speaker 2: it is. Yeah, they're one of the ones that did

1217
01:02:19,373 --> 01:02:20,933
Speaker 2: really really well last year.

1218
01:02:21,173 --> 01:02:23,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got rave reviews as well. Oh, one hundred

1219
01:02:23,573 --> 01:02:25,053
Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty is and I would call it

1220
01:02:25,173 --> 01:02:26,213
Speaker 3: is twenty seven to three.

1221
01:02:29,013 --> 01:02:32,533
Speaker 14: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

1222
01:02:32,613 --> 01:02:36,093
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. Labor says today's government

1223
01:02:36,293 --> 01:02:40,293
Speaker 14: energy announcement is uninspiring and won't help businesses struggling to

1224
01:02:40,333 --> 01:02:44,133
Speaker 14: pay for power. Crown Control Power companies will be offered

1225
01:02:44,173 --> 01:02:48,493
Speaker 14: more capital for generation projects and a backup LNG import

1226
01:02:48,533 --> 01:02:52,013
Speaker 14: facility will be set up. A man's in custody after

1227
01:02:52,053 --> 01:02:55,053
Speaker 14: a police car was rammed in christ Church about ten

1228
01:02:55,173 --> 01:02:58,533
Speaker 14: thirty this morning as the driver fled on Marshland Road.

1229
01:02:58,933 --> 01:03:02,693
Speaker 14: Police located the abandoned car on Parnwell Street and say

1230
01:03:02,693 --> 01:03:05,733
Speaker 14: they found a firearm inside and arrested a man nearby.

1231
01:03:06,853 --> 01:03:09,093
Speaker 14: A twenty seven year old woman used of putting a

1232
01:03:09,133 --> 01:03:12,653
Speaker 14: toddler in a suitcase in a bus luggage compartment in

1233
01:03:12,693 --> 01:03:16,733
Speaker 14: August is now on electronically monitored bail and will reappear

1234
01:03:16,773 --> 01:03:20,533
Speaker 14: in court in December. A magnitude six point nine quake

1235
01:03:20,573 --> 01:03:24,293
Speaker 14: in the Central Philippines overnight has killed at least nineteen people.

1236
01:03:25,333 --> 01:03:30,013
Speaker 14: KeyWe psychologist, author and broadcaster Nigel Latter is being remembered

1237
01:03:30,013 --> 01:03:35,453
Speaker 14: for his relatability and lasting impact after dying yesterday. Gregor

1238
01:03:35,533 --> 01:03:38,853
Speaker 14: Paul on how a massive New Zealand schoolboy's defeat reveals

1239
01:03:38,933 --> 01:03:41,773
Speaker 14: deep cracks in rugby. You can see the full column

1240
01:03:41,773 --> 01:03:44,413
Speaker 14: at ends at Herald Premium. Back to Matt Eath and

1241
01:03:44,453 --> 01:03:45,693
Speaker 14: Tyler Adams.

1242
01:03:45,213 --> 01:03:47,213
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Raylan, and we are talking about

1243
01:03:47,213 --> 01:03:50,093
Speaker 3: the gaming industry in New Zealand. There is an editorial

1244
01:03:50,093 --> 01:03:53,173
Speaker 3: in the Herald today pushing the government for more support

1245
01:03:53,293 --> 01:03:56,453
Speaker 3: for this industry to better compete internationally with some of

1246
01:03:56,533 --> 01:03:59,813
Speaker 3: the other gaming studios. On the line right now, as

1247
01:03:59,933 --> 01:04:02,653
Speaker 3: Duan Muttu, he is widely regarded as one of the

1248
01:04:02,693 --> 01:04:05,093
Speaker 3: most influential people in the video game industry here in

1249
01:04:05,093 --> 01:04:07,413
Speaker 3: New Zealand. He's an expert in esports as well and

1250
01:04:07,493 --> 01:04:09,653
Speaker 3: is on the founding board of the New Zealand Esports

1251
01:04:09,693 --> 01:04:12,493
Speaker 3: a Federation. He joins us on the line now, Duir,

1252
01:04:12,533 --> 01:04:14,493
Speaker 3: I'm very good afternoon to you.

1253
01:04:14,453 --> 01:04:16,253
Speaker 19: You're good to be on the show and good afternoon.

1254
01:04:16,693 --> 01:04:19,373
Speaker 2: What are some of the successes out of New Zealand

1255
01:04:19,453 --> 01:04:20,893
Speaker 2: in terms of games.

1256
01:04:22,933 --> 01:04:25,413
Speaker 20: Look, when we think about gaming, if we look at

1257
01:04:25,413 --> 01:04:27,973
Speaker 20: the size of the sector, we think about globally, what

1258
01:04:28,013 --> 01:04:30,493
Speaker 20: you're really chasing and saying that's close to three hundred billion,

1259
01:04:30,573 --> 01:04:33,773
Speaker 20: right now and that's meant to grow to in twenty

1260
01:04:33,853 --> 01:04:37,213
Speaker 20: thirty two over five hundred billion. If we look comparatively

1261
01:04:37,253 --> 01:04:40,213
Speaker 20: to how we're going as a video game sector in

1262
01:04:40,293 --> 01:04:42,653
Speaker 20: New Zealand, and really that's what we're talking about.

1263
01:04:42,933 --> 01:04:45,813
Speaker 19: We are growing and this year, look.

1264
01:04:45,813 --> 01:04:48,413
Speaker 20: We achieved great results looking at closer to seven hundred

1265
01:04:48,413 --> 01:04:50,773
Speaker 20: and fifty million and that will get to a billion.

1266
01:04:50,773 --> 01:04:52,413
Speaker 20: But if you look at that in compared it to

1267
01:04:52,573 --> 01:04:55,453
Speaker 20: the global stats, we're still way behind and there's lots

1268
01:04:55,453 --> 01:04:58,773
Speaker 20: of reasons for that. So whilst it's a good story,

1269
01:04:59,173 --> 01:05:01,253
Speaker 20: we need support from the government to really make it

1270
01:05:01,293 --> 01:05:02,013
Speaker 20: a great story.

1271
01:05:02,333 --> 01:05:05,213
Speaker 2: So what are the games that are successful for us now?

1272
01:05:05,333 --> 01:05:09,373
Speaker 2: Because there's Grower Garden, isn't there. There's a few others

1273
01:05:09,493 --> 01:05:10,493
Speaker 2: that have that have gone.

1274
01:05:11,893 --> 01:05:14,773
Speaker 20: We've had some great success stories. We've got some great studios,

1275
01:05:14,773 --> 01:05:16,533
Speaker 20: I mean some of the household studio names, you know,

1276
01:05:16,613 --> 01:05:21,173
Speaker 20: grinding Gear Games, Pick Pock, the internationally renowned and then

1277
01:05:21,213 --> 01:05:23,573
Speaker 20: also we've had, you know, a game called Icarus that

1278
01:05:23,653 --> 01:05:25,893
Speaker 20: was number one in the world on Steam, which is

1279
01:05:26,013 --> 01:05:28,373
Speaker 20: where you purchased most of the games from. So the

1280
01:05:28,493 --> 01:05:31,053
Speaker 20: story of New Zealand and the quality is there.

1281
01:05:31,613 --> 01:05:33,413
Speaker 19: But again when you look at us.

1282
01:05:33,293 --> 01:05:37,133
Speaker 20: From a you know, small market five million, we just

1283
01:05:37,293 --> 01:05:40,653
Speaker 20: don't have the support we need to push to push

1284
01:05:40,693 --> 01:05:43,533
Speaker 20: board and and that's really the challenge when you look

1285
01:05:43,533 --> 01:05:47,453
Speaker 20: at other markets like Australia and other sectors that are sorry,

1286
01:05:47,453 --> 01:05:49,933
Speaker 20: other markets around the world that are comparative and size

1287
01:05:49,973 --> 01:05:51,733
Speaker 20: and what they're getting in the way of investment. So

1288
01:05:51,813 --> 01:05:54,533
Speaker 20: quality is there, but the government haven't got behind it

1289
01:05:54,573 --> 01:05:56,973
Speaker 20: in the way they need to, and that is where

1290
01:05:56,813 --> 01:05:59,933
Speaker 20: we're starting to lose talent and opportunities to the other

1291
01:06:00,133 --> 01:06:00,813
Speaker 20: other players.

1292
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Speaker 3: Is that the big danger head one is that you

1293
01:06:03,333 --> 01:06:05,693
Speaker 3: get the likes of grinding gear that you mentioned, and

1294
01:06:05,773 --> 01:06:07,613
Speaker 3: rocket Works is another one. And there's a few other

1295
01:06:07,653 --> 01:06:10,453
Speaker 3: big gaming studios here in New Zealand, not so big

1296
01:06:10,453 --> 01:06:12,933
Speaker 3: on the international stage, but they've got that reputation that

1297
01:06:13,013 --> 01:06:16,293
Speaker 3: they say, we can get a better deal in Australia

1298
01:06:16,373 --> 01:06:19,013
Speaker 3: and we can attract more talent if we base ourselves off.

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01:06:19,053 --> 01:06:19,253
Speaker 12: Sure.

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01:06:19,333 --> 01:06:21,093
Speaker 3: Is that the danger that we're facing right now.

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01:06:22,133 --> 01:06:23,173
Speaker 19: That's definitely the danger.

1302
01:06:23,293 --> 01:06:25,093
Speaker 20: So you know, going back a few years which I

1303
01:06:25,133 --> 01:06:27,533
Speaker 20: was involved with this, I mean we really pushed any

1304
01:06:27,613 --> 01:06:31,173
Speaker 20: dealing government to sort of champion early and we were

1305
01:06:31,253 --> 01:06:34,373
Speaker 20: advanced versus where our Australian counterparts were and then we

1306
01:06:34,693 --> 01:06:36,373
Speaker 20: missed a boat, you know, in my opinion, and then

1307
01:06:36,413 --> 01:06:39,973
Speaker 20: the Australians came out and ultimately offered thirty percent rebate

1308
01:06:40,413 --> 01:06:43,133
Speaker 20: on tax, plus each of the states also.

1309
01:06:42,933 --> 01:06:43,693
Speaker 19: Offer a rebate.

1310
01:06:43,733 --> 01:06:45,213
Speaker 20: So what you're talking about is, you know, somewhere up

1311
01:06:45,253 --> 01:06:48,533
Speaker 20: to potentially forty percent. And we've only just implemented our

1312
01:06:48,613 --> 01:06:51,773
Speaker 20: twenty percent rebate here in New Zealand, right, so we're

1313
01:06:51,773 --> 01:06:54,853
Speaker 20: already behind. And then you think about currency, you think

1314
01:06:54,933 --> 01:06:57,253
Speaker 20: about the talent the pool to go to Australia anyway,

1315
01:06:57,253 --> 01:07:00,453
Speaker 20: and that's our closest you know ally, that's our challenge

1316
01:07:00,453 --> 01:07:03,613
Speaker 20: and so we need to have you know, more in

1317
01:07:03,613 --> 01:07:06,013
Speaker 20: the way of government to support it when you think

1318
01:07:06,053 --> 01:07:08,173
Speaker 20: about the rebates versus our neighbors next door.

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01:07:08,413 --> 01:07:12,333
Speaker 2: So we're in danger of whole successful key we gaming

1320
01:07:12,333 --> 01:07:15,573
Speaker 2: companies just up upping sticks and moving their whole operations

1321
01:07:15,573 --> 01:07:17,133
Speaker 2: to Australia.

1322
01:07:17,533 --> 01:07:19,733
Speaker 20: We are, and we've seen that, to be comply honest

1323
01:07:19,773 --> 01:07:22,133
Speaker 20: with you, we've seen that already play out where some

1324
01:07:22,173 --> 01:07:23,733
Speaker 20: of the bigger students that don't want to speak on

1325
01:07:23,773 --> 01:07:27,093
Speaker 20: behalf of them specifically, you know, by name. But we're

1326
01:07:27,093 --> 01:07:29,213
Speaker 20: starting to see that where you can you know, open

1327
01:07:29,293 --> 01:07:31,653
Speaker 20: up you know a studio or a party of student

1328
01:07:31,733 --> 01:07:33,613
Speaker 20: offshore and open up those incentives.

1329
01:07:33,933 --> 01:07:35,533
Speaker 19: And then if you look at what.

1330
01:07:35,573 --> 01:07:38,173
Speaker 20: Happening in Australia, if you're a young one coming through

1331
01:07:38,213 --> 01:07:40,453
Speaker 20: and obviously we need more talent here in New Zealand,

1332
01:07:40,773 --> 01:07:43,933
Speaker 20: they're looking and going well, actually, you know Australia because

1333
01:07:44,013 --> 01:07:47,253
Speaker 20: there's more money there because they're offering these incentives, which

1334
01:07:47,253 --> 01:07:48,973
Speaker 20: obviously goes back to the bottom line, and then the

1335
01:07:48,973 --> 01:07:51,973
Speaker 20: employees they want to go offshore and then take up

1336
01:07:51,973 --> 01:07:52,653
Speaker 20: those opportunities.

1337
01:07:52,653 --> 01:07:54,733
Speaker 19: So it's not only the studios themselves, but it's actually

1338
01:07:54,773 --> 01:07:55,133
Speaker 19: the talent.

1339
01:07:55,173 --> 01:07:57,493
Speaker 20: The New Zealand talent we have here. We can't retain them,

1340
01:07:57,493 --> 01:08:00,413
Speaker 20: so we end up with a skills shortage and that's

1341
01:08:00,453 --> 01:08:02,173
Speaker 20: a challenge as well. So it's not just as studios,

1342
01:08:02,173 --> 01:08:04,733
Speaker 20: it's actually the talent that we're creating here in New Zealand.

1343
01:08:04,813 --> 01:08:06,653
Speaker 3: What are the opportunities when it comes to the gaming

1344
01:08:06,733 --> 01:08:09,213
Speaker 3: industry and esports day and obviously you're heavily involved in

1345
01:08:09,373 --> 01:08:11,853
Speaker 3: esports in New Zealand. Does that tie in with the

1346
01:08:11,853 --> 01:08:14,533
Speaker 3: strength of our gaming industry? If we don't have a

1347
01:08:14,653 --> 01:08:17,692
Speaker 3: strong industry here, then that becomes harder to attract those

1348
01:08:17,693 --> 01:08:18,812
Speaker 3: big esport events.

1349
01:08:21,253 --> 01:08:25,412
Speaker 19: Look, there's slightly different in regards to you know, what

1350
01:08:25,532 --> 01:08:25,812
Speaker 19: they are.

1351
01:08:25,812 --> 01:08:27,412
Speaker 20: In other words, you know, we look at studios, we're

1352
01:08:27,412 --> 01:08:29,652
Speaker 20: creating games. And to your point, I've been around esports

1353
01:08:29,692 --> 01:08:32,652
Speaker 20: a long time. As a sector. Within esports, I'd say

1354
01:08:32,652 --> 01:08:35,452
Speaker 20: we're actually very strong because we have a national federation

1355
01:08:35,933 --> 01:08:37,372
Speaker 20: which is actually globally renowned.

1356
01:08:37,692 --> 01:08:39,692
Speaker 19: Because some partners don't do that.

1357
01:08:39,732 --> 01:08:42,052
Speaker 20: So I'd say we're actually advanced in the esports sector

1358
01:08:42,893 --> 01:08:45,293
Speaker 20: and we should leverage some of that I guess capability

1359
01:08:46,013 --> 01:08:48,253
Speaker 20: and support that we get from the government. But you

1360
01:08:48,293 --> 01:08:50,133
Speaker 20: see with the government, they look at that as a sport,

1361
01:08:50,173 --> 01:08:53,732
Speaker 20: so it's a different funding vehicle versus studios which come

1362
01:08:53,812 --> 01:08:56,973
Speaker 20: under rebates and much more like the film sector. So

1363
01:08:57,572 --> 01:09:00,173
Speaker 20: whilst they're tied, I'd say they're slightly different because one

1364
01:09:00,253 --> 01:09:03,372
Speaker 20: is fundamentally a sport and follows that trajectory. One is

1365
01:09:03,412 --> 01:09:06,293
Speaker 20: more of a you know, a creative pursuit in a

1366
01:09:06,333 --> 01:09:07,132
Speaker 20: business pursuit.

1367
01:09:07,532 --> 01:09:10,612
Speaker 2: So, apart from rebates, what else could be done to

1368
01:09:10,893 --> 01:09:15,732
Speaker 2: bolster this this sector? Do we have strong domestic training

1369
01:09:15,772 --> 01:09:18,812
Speaker 2: pathways into into the gaming sector. Is it is it

1370
01:09:18,853 --> 01:09:20,852
Speaker 2: easy to get skilled up in New Zealand, so you

1371
01:09:20,893 --> 01:09:24,732
Speaker 2: can join a major company or start a starter company

1372
01:09:24,933 --> 01:09:26,932
Speaker 2: and get amongst Yeah.

1373
01:09:26,973 --> 01:09:29,732
Speaker 20: Look, what I'd say is I think one, if you're

1374
01:09:29,772 --> 01:09:32,652
Speaker 20: out there, we have a various range of studios, right,

1375
01:09:32,652 --> 01:09:34,253
Speaker 20: I think you know roughly we're not and I looked

1376
01:09:34,293 --> 01:09:36,732
Speaker 20: at it. We had sort of around sixty studios themselves.

1377
01:09:36,732 --> 01:09:40,412
Speaker 20: But some of those studios are sixty five studios, but

1378
01:09:40,452 --> 01:09:42,133
Speaker 20: they are right the way to the big ones we

1379
01:09:42,173 --> 01:09:43,893
Speaker 20: mentioned the top right through to sort of one or

1380
01:09:43,893 --> 01:09:46,012
Speaker 20: two of us that want to develop games. The great

1381
01:09:46,013 --> 01:09:48,772
Speaker 20: thing about developing games, and this is why should be

1382
01:09:48,812 --> 01:09:52,253
Speaker 20: so strong at a governmental level, is most.

1383
01:09:52,013 --> 01:09:53,212
Speaker 19: Of the revenue is offshore.

1384
01:09:53,293 --> 01:09:56,652
Speaker 20: So we look at ninety ninety five percent of the

1385
01:09:56,692 --> 01:09:59,892
Speaker 20: revenue that's attracted for these games comes from offshore market.

1386
01:09:59,973 --> 01:10:02,692
Speaker 20: So if you are at home, you can code, You

1387
01:10:02,692 --> 01:10:05,733
Speaker 20: could create your own studio by yourself and attract international

1388
01:10:06,893 --> 01:10:09,652
Speaker 20: international money. Right fundamental, And we know it's tough here.

1389
01:10:09,692 --> 01:10:12,612
Speaker 20: So we're talking about instead of being landlocked to the

1390
01:10:13,173 --> 01:10:15,572
Speaker 20: country or the five million people here, you actually open

1391
01:10:15,612 --> 01:10:18,612
Speaker 20: yourself up to this global market. Most of those markets

1392
01:10:18,652 --> 01:10:21,973
Speaker 20: that are big, the US, Europe, Asia, pacifics on our

1393
01:10:21,973 --> 01:10:24,213
Speaker 20: doorstep and so I'd say that's part of it, so

1394
01:10:24,253 --> 01:10:25,372
Speaker 20: you can go out and become your.

1395
01:10:25,293 --> 01:10:27,012
Speaker 19: Own studio, your own business owner.

1396
01:10:27,812 --> 01:10:30,093
Speaker 20: I will say that we've really developed in the last

1397
01:10:30,133 --> 01:10:33,173
Speaker 20: couple of years, growing the talent, so that's exciting. We

1398
01:10:33,213 --> 01:10:35,852
Speaker 20: do see now some investment people like CODE who are

1399
01:10:36,173 --> 01:10:38,532
Speaker 20: bringing through the young ones who are really interested in

1400
01:10:39,093 --> 01:10:43,293
Speaker 20: upskilling and game manufacturing development, all those things that we

1401
01:10:43,333 --> 01:10:46,052
Speaker 20: need in the sector. So I'd say in that regard, good,

1402
01:10:46,692 --> 01:10:48,133
Speaker 20: but what you don't want to do to my first

1403
01:10:48,133 --> 01:10:50,132
Speaker 20: point is get to a point where all that talent

1404
01:10:50,253 --> 01:10:53,693
Speaker 20: is offshore and we can't grow either as a standalone

1405
01:10:53,732 --> 01:10:56,133
Speaker 20: student that wants to grow or is a talent coming through.

1406
01:10:57,253 --> 01:10:58,933
Speaker 20: And then I think the other thing that we have

1407
01:10:59,692 --> 01:11:02,173
Speaker 20: going for us is people like us as people, you

1408
01:11:02,213 --> 01:11:05,852
Speaker 20: know Kiwi's, you know, we have our indigenous storytelling, you know,

1409
01:11:05,973 --> 01:11:09,333
Speaker 20: see Maori. We are liked around the world. What we

1410
01:11:09,372 --> 01:11:11,293
Speaker 20: need from the government as well is not just money.

1411
01:11:11,333 --> 01:11:13,732
Speaker 20: We need to make sure that our studios are shown

1412
01:11:14,133 --> 01:11:15,692
Speaker 20: around the world. And so I spent a lot of

1413
01:11:15,692 --> 01:11:17,412
Speaker 20: time in the Middle East. That's the sort of the

1414
01:11:17,452 --> 01:11:19,772
Speaker 20: mecha of gaming at the moment, and we need to

1415
01:11:19,772 --> 01:11:22,173
Speaker 20: make sure that we have trade missions up there. That

1416
01:11:22,412 --> 01:11:25,652
Speaker 20: don't just talk about agriculture and our traditional fields. We

1417
01:11:25,692 --> 01:11:28,732
Speaker 20: want to be saying, look, we have great studios, great talent,

1418
01:11:29,053 --> 01:11:30,852
Speaker 20: how can we get into those markets.

1419
01:11:30,853 --> 01:11:32,452
Speaker 19: And you know, part of the juney I.

1420
01:11:32,412 --> 01:11:34,652
Speaker 20: Had a month ago was actually doing that to make

1421
01:11:34,692 --> 01:11:36,812
Speaker 20: sure we could open up some pathways for our studios

1422
01:11:36,812 --> 01:11:39,452
Speaker 20: and talent so we can tell that story in those

1423
01:11:39,492 --> 01:11:40,293
Speaker 20: bigger markets.

1424
01:11:40,812 --> 01:11:44,092
Speaker 2: So, you know, just to sort of bring this all together,

1425
01:11:44,173 --> 01:11:47,933
Speaker 2: what specifically do you want to see the government do

1426
01:11:48,652 --> 01:11:49,772
Speaker 2: around the gaming industry?

1427
01:11:50,853 --> 01:11:53,692
Speaker 20: Yeah, look, I think what we really want to do is,

1428
01:11:53,732 --> 01:11:55,173
Speaker 20: if we look at it, we want to make sure

1429
01:11:55,253 --> 01:11:58,413
Speaker 20: that we want government support and incentives.

1430
01:11:58,452 --> 01:11:59,933
Speaker 19: So we want to strengthen.

1431
01:11:59,452 --> 01:12:02,652
Speaker 20: Note, how do we get tax rebates, grants, subsidies for hiring,

1432
01:12:03,372 --> 01:12:05,412
Speaker 20: so that's on shore. We want to make sure that

1433
01:12:05,412 --> 01:12:07,932
Speaker 20: it's appealing for some of the big studios and talent

1434
01:12:07,973 --> 01:12:10,492
Speaker 20: to want to make New Zealand a base and we're

1435
01:12:10,492 --> 01:12:13,052
Speaker 20: seeing that with the movie sector. How do we attract

1436
01:12:13,053 --> 01:12:16,572
Speaker 20: some of the household names and studios down here in

1437
01:12:16,612 --> 01:12:18,772
Speaker 20: New Zealand. We want to make sure that we have

1438
01:12:19,253 --> 01:12:22,293
Speaker 20: collaborations with the biggest publishers. I mean, you would have

1439
01:12:22,333 --> 01:12:24,412
Speaker 20: seen overnight the big news or the last couple of

1440
01:12:24,492 --> 01:12:28,612
Speaker 20: nights is that EA was acquired by the Saudia's for

1441
01:12:29,253 --> 01:12:32,572
Speaker 20: fifty five billion. How do we strengthen both our pathway

1442
01:12:32,612 --> 01:12:35,093
Speaker 20: over there? You have big, big, big money and we

1443
01:12:35,133 --> 01:12:37,053
Speaker 20: want to make sure that we have a focus of

1444
01:12:37,093 --> 01:12:40,772
Speaker 20: those trade missions, international showcases where the government can take

1445
01:12:41,133 --> 01:12:44,652
Speaker 20: our studios offshore into these markets which happened all over

1446
01:12:44,652 --> 01:12:48,253
Speaker 20: the world to showcase not only the New Zealand Ink story,

1447
01:12:48,253 --> 01:12:48,692
Speaker 20: but the New.

1448
01:12:48,692 --> 01:12:51,092
Speaker 19: Zealand Ink story in our game development sector.

1449
01:12:51,692 --> 01:12:53,932
Speaker 3: Dwain, really good to get you on, really appreciate your

1450
01:12:53,973 --> 01:12:56,372
Speaker 3: expertise and we'll catch up with you very soon.

1451
01:12:57,293 --> 01:12:59,492
Speaker 19: Yeah, thanks so much, Jean, great afternoon you too.

1452
01:12:59,532 --> 01:13:01,692
Speaker 3: That is way move to ahead of New Zealand esports

1453
01:13:01,692 --> 01:13:05,213
Speaker 3: and heavily involved in the gaming industry, so plenty of

1454
01:13:05,253 --> 01:13:07,452
Speaker 3: texts coming through on this one. Nine two ninety two

1455
01:13:07,572 --> 01:13:09,372
Speaker 3: is the number. But from you, oh, eight hundred and

1456
01:13:09,372 --> 01:13:10,372
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty.

1457
01:13:10,372 --> 01:13:11,892
Speaker 2: I'll be interested to what it's like to actually work

1458
01:13:11,933 --> 01:13:13,612
Speaker 2: in the gaming industry because you know, a lot of

1459
01:13:13,692 --> 01:13:16,333
Speaker 2: kids love gaming and a lot of kids dream of

1460
01:13:16,412 --> 01:13:19,892
Speaker 2: being e sports superstars, and some people when they talk

1461
01:13:19,893 --> 01:13:21,932
Speaker 2: about wanting to get into the gaming industry, they imagine

1462
01:13:21,973 --> 01:13:24,253
Speaker 2: they could be game testers, but they just test games

1463
01:13:24,293 --> 01:13:26,933
Speaker 2: all day. Yeah, prototype games all day, sitting in a

1464
01:13:26,973 --> 01:13:30,093
Speaker 2: flash office somewhere. But I wonder what the reality of

1465
01:13:30,133 --> 01:13:34,213
Speaker 2: working in the industry is actually like. You know, a

1466
01:13:34,213 --> 01:13:37,692
Speaker 2: lot of programming involved. You have to be pretty smart,

1467
01:13:38,013 --> 01:13:40,692
Speaker 2: and I imagine it's pretty pretty hard work.

1468
01:13:40,772 --> 01:13:42,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're in the industry, love to hear from you. Oh,

1469
01:13:42,612 --> 01:13:44,692
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty, ten eighty, it's thirteen to three.

1470
01:13:45,933 --> 01:13:49,412
Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

1471
01:13:49,652 --> 01:13:50,612
Speaker 1: everything in between.

1472
01:13:50,853 --> 01:13:53,772
Speaker 5: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

1473
01:13:53,772 --> 01:13:55,492
Speaker 3: It'd be it is ten to three and we're talking

1474
01:13:55,492 --> 01:13:57,932
Speaker 3: about the gaming industry in New Zealand. To push from

1475
01:13:57,933 --> 01:14:00,173
Speaker 3: the industry and an editory on the Herald saying that

1476
01:14:00,213 --> 01:14:02,773
Speaker 3: the government needs to do more to support this industry

1477
01:14:03,053 --> 01:14:04,572
Speaker 3: to compete internationally.

1478
01:14:05,173 --> 01:14:07,213
Speaker 2: This text says, shouldn't we be doing more to get

1479
01:14:07,213 --> 01:14:09,572
Speaker 2: people outside and stead of you guys encouraging them to

1480
01:14:09,572 --> 01:14:12,812
Speaker 2: play games, Well, if they go inside for their working

1481
01:14:12,853 --> 01:14:16,333
Speaker 2: week and bring in seven hundred and fifty eight million,

1482
01:14:16,452 --> 01:14:21,452
Speaker 2: nine hundred and nineteen four hundred and twenty seven million

1483
01:14:21,492 --> 01:14:25,333
Speaker 2: dollars a year, thirty eight point six percent increase, then

1484
01:14:25,372 --> 01:14:28,333
Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah, let's get those people indoors making that money.

1485
01:14:28,333 --> 01:14:32,092
Speaker 2: Because it's a pure export industry. You've got people sitting

1486
01:14:32,133 --> 01:14:35,812
Speaker 2: in Dunedin, for example, you know, working in the gaming industry,

1487
01:14:36,133 --> 01:14:40,133
Speaker 2: and a relative mind works works in that industry. They're

1488
01:14:40,133 --> 01:14:44,412
Speaker 2: sitting there interned in my hometown and bringing in millions

1489
01:14:44,452 --> 01:14:47,652
Speaker 2: and millions and millions of dollars into our economy. So

1490
01:14:47,973 --> 01:14:49,572
Speaker 2: you know, look, if we make games here that are

1491
01:14:49,612 --> 01:14:52,372
Speaker 2: so addictive that everyone in America is sitting in their

1492
01:14:52,412 --> 01:14:55,452
Speaker 2: rooms playing their game, then bluddy good, yeah, John done.

1493
01:14:55,452 --> 01:14:58,213
Speaker 2: You know, you work your fifty hour week or whatever

1494
01:14:58,253 --> 01:15:02,052
Speaker 2: it is, and then go out and enjoy the outdoors.

1495
01:15:02,093 --> 01:15:04,612
Speaker 2: But good on these people, because it looks like the

1496
01:15:04,692 --> 01:15:08,173
Speaker 2: kind of industry that is, as you said before, Tyler's

1497
01:15:08,492 --> 01:15:12,452
Speaker 2: kind of has no end to it. And how big

1498
01:15:12,492 --> 01:15:12,892
Speaker 2: it can.

1499
01:15:12,772 --> 01:15:13,972
Speaker 3: Be massively scalable.

1500
01:15:14,053 --> 01:15:17,372
Speaker 2: If if you have an incredibly successful game and it

1501
01:15:17,452 --> 01:15:19,892
Speaker 2: blows up the amount of money that can come into

1502
01:15:19,933 --> 01:15:24,492
Speaker 2: our country is it's it's unfathomable. What was it, five

1503
01:15:24,572 --> 01:15:26,652
Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars a year industry.

1504
01:15:26,333 --> 01:15:29,412
Speaker 3: Yep, yep, easily globally. Yeah, so eight hundred and eighty

1505
01:15:29,412 --> 01:15:30,973
Speaker 3: ten eighty. If you work in the industry, what is

1506
01:15:31,013 --> 01:15:33,412
Speaker 3: it actually like here on the ground in New Zealand?

1507
01:15:33,412 --> 01:15:35,012
Speaker 3: If you want to send a text, ninety two ninety

1508
01:15:35,013 --> 01:15:36,652
Speaker 3: two is that number.

1509
01:15:37,173 --> 01:15:38,852
Speaker 2: Grow Garden is the biggest game in the world at

1510
01:15:38,853 --> 01:15:43,572
Speaker 2: the moment, made by Kiwi Jensen, Marsden, Madsene. It's bigger

1511
01:15:43,612 --> 01:15:44,212
Speaker 2: than Fortnite.

1512
01:15:44,253 --> 01:15:45,972
Speaker 3: Wow, Fortnite is massive.

1513
01:15:46,013 --> 01:15:48,612
Speaker 2: And this texta just says I loved playing Crash Bandicoot.

1514
01:15:48,732 --> 01:15:53,572
Speaker 3: That was a great game. Very nicely done. Mate. All right,

1515
01:15:53,652 --> 01:15:56,333
Speaker 3: let's go to Actually we will play some messages. So

1516
01:15:56,572 --> 01:15:58,093
Speaker 3: when we come back, we're gonna have a chat to

1517
01:15:58,293 --> 01:16:00,172
Speaker 3: James who wants to have a chat about the species

1518
01:16:00,173 --> 01:16:02,293
Speaker 3: O eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to.

1519
01:16:02,173 --> 01:16:05,452
Speaker 1: Call the issues that affect you and a bit of

1520
01:16:05,492 --> 01:16:09,452
Speaker 1: fun along the way, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams after news.

1521
01:16:09,293 --> 01:16:12,612
Speaker 3: Talks, that'd be very good afternoon. We're talking about the

1522
01:16:12,612 --> 01:16:15,213
Speaker 3: gaming industry in New Zealand. Does more need to be

1523
01:16:15,293 --> 01:16:19,293
Speaker 3: done from our government to support our gaming industry to

1524
01:16:19,293 --> 01:16:20,173
Speaker 3: make it more competitive?

1525
01:16:20,293 --> 01:16:23,333
Speaker 2: This Texas says just what we want to be known for,

1526
01:16:23,372 --> 01:16:26,293
Speaker 2: creating little games that destroy productivity and waste the lives

1527
01:16:26,293 --> 01:16:29,333
Speaker 2: of people that use them. What a great contribution to

1528
01:16:29,452 --> 01:16:35,973
Speaker 2: the planet. It's actually the number eight fencing wire mentality

1529
01:16:35,973 --> 01:16:41,012
Speaker 2: that we're proud of New Zealand's reappearing in a modern

1530
01:16:41,452 --> 01:16:44,932
Speaker 2: digital way. In my opinion, whether it was a tortured

1531
01:16:44,973 --> 01:16:47,213
Speaker 2: sentence I got out there, coughed it out made sense.

1532
01:16:47,333 --> 01:16:49,973
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, it's finding ways. You

1533
01:16:50,013 --> 01:16:53,052
Speaker 2: think of the Bruce Bruce McLaren situation, so you don't

1534
01:16:53,293 --> 01:16:55,772
Speaker 2: he didn't have all the gear. It was hard to

1535
01:16:55,812 --> 01:16:59,333
Speaker 2: import parts into the country, so he developed the skills

1536
01:16:59,572 --> 01:17:04,492
Speaker 2: and making racing cars using the limitations of New Zealand.

1537
01:17:04,532 --> 01:17:08,213
Speaker 2: But the brilliance of that mentality of getting things done

1538
01:17:08,213 --> 01:17:10,572
Speaker 2: with what you've got. Now you've got a situation where

1539
01:17:10,612 --> 01:17:12,932
Speaker 2: there's people in New Zealand that don't have the flasher

1540
01:17:13,013 --> 01:17:15,852
Speaker 2: setups and they don't have the big companies beside them

1541
01:17:16,053 --> 01:17:18,572
Speaker 2: behind them, but they're making games that are bringing a

1542
01:17:18,572 --> 01:17:22,133
Speaker 2: lot of money into the country. So it's not just

1543
01:17:22,213 --> 01:17:24,772
Speaker 2: what we want to be high for creating little games

1544
01:17:24,772 --> 01:17:27,092
Speaker 2: that destroy productivity and waste of the lives of people

1545
01:17:27,133 --> 01:17:29,253
Speaker 2: that use them. It's just a misunderstanding of the way

1546
01:17:29,293 --> 01:17:32,253
Speaker 2: a country like New Zealand needs to make money going forward.

1547
01:17:32,293 --> 01:17:33,892
Speaker 2: In the future. We've got to have money going in

1548
01:17:34,053 --> 01:17:40,492
Speaker 2: nicely said, and this is pure innovation and it's pure export. Yeah,

1549
01:17:40,612 --> 01:17:43,732
Speaker 2: it's they make games, people download them, and the money

1550
01:17:43,732 --> 01:17:44,773
Speaker 2: comes into the country.

1551
01:17:45,093 --> 01:17:46,532
Speaker 3: This is how we get ahead in the world. This

1552
01:17:46,652 --> 01:17:49,333
Speaker 3: is the future. This is the billions and billions of

1553
01:17:49,372 --> 01:17:52,213
Speaker 3: dollars going into this form of entertainment. If we are

1554
01:17:52,253 --> 01:17:54,213
Speaker 3: not on this bandwag and then we are going to

1555
01:17:54,253 --> 01:17:56,293
Speaker 3: miss out. As you say, there are people working on

1556
01:17:56,293 --> 01:17:58,533
Speaker 3: a smell of an oily rag like the Bruce McLaren's

1557
01:17:58,532 --> 01:18:01,732
Speaker 3: of the gaming world, checking butts and not getting any

1558
01:18:01,732 --> 01:18:02,412
Speaker 3: support for it.

1559
01:18:02,492 --> 01:18:05,892
Speaker 2: But that's texassess what a great contribution to the planet.

1560
01:18:06,213 --> 01:18:10,732
Speaker 3: Oh cheaper snow helped some people. Well anyway, great discussion, James,

1561
01:18:10,772 --> 01:18:11,652
Speaker 3: welcome the show.

1562
01:18:13,133 --> 01:18:13,852
Speaker 13: Any guys.

1563
01:18:13,933 --> 01:18:16,892
Speaker 17: Yeah, no, I agree with what you what you just

1564
01:18:17,013 --> 01:18:20,133
Speaker 17: mentioned about just giving it a go, grab me a

1565
01:18:20,213 --> 01:18:22,652
Speaker 17: number a wire and then make it. We're rich in

1566
01:18:22,692 --> 01:18:25,972
Speaker 17: their culture of I'll make a game and the graphics

1567
01:18:25,973 --> 01:18:28,012
Speaker 17: look like Alextair kidding as does who cares.

1568
01:18:28,093 --> 01:18:31,892
Speaker 3: Let's go yeah love that Alex the kid. So sorry, James,

1569
01:18:31,933 --> 01:18:34,013
Speaker 3: that was my bad. We've got the news coming up.

1570
01:18:34,133 --> 01:18:35,732
Speaker 3: But you're a good man. We all love the space.

1571
01:18:35,772 --> 01:18:37,892
Speaker 3: He's back in the day. Oh, eight hundred and eighty

1572
01:18:37,933 --> 01:18:40,013
Speaker 3: ten eighty is a number of call. Get in the

1573
01:18:40,133 --> 01:18:42,052
Speaker 3: queue because we're talking about PDA next.

1574
01:18:46,133 --> 01:18:50,372
Speaker 1: Your new homes are insightful and entertaining. Talk It's Matty

1575
01:18:50,692 --> 01:18:54,573
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on News Talk Sabby.

1576
01:18:55,253 --> 01:18:59,092
Speaker 3: Very good afternoon, cheer. It is six past three now.

1577
01:18:59,133 --> 01:19:02,132
Speaker 3: Just to remind that Gareth Abdenough is an employment workplace

1578
01:19:02,133 --> 01:19:06,053
Speaker 3: in Information Experties, the director of Abdenaugh Employment Law. He

1579
01:19:06,173 --> 01:19:09,372
Speaker 3: joins us once a month to un see any questions

1580
01:19:09,452 --> 01:19:12,852
Speaker 3: or queries or concerns you've got in your place of work.

1581
01:19:12,933 --> 01:19:15,652
Speaker 3: He is fantastic and he's free of charge. You got

1582
01:19:15,652 --> 01:19:17,213
Speaker 3: a problem, you don't have to pay a sin Till

1583
01:19:17,213 --> 01:19:18,852
Speaker 3: we get to do is bring our eight hundred and

1584
01:19:18,893 --> 01:19:21,692
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty and get in the Q nine two

1585
01:19:21,732 --> 01:19:24,412
Speaker 3: ninety two is the text number. But Gareth is coming

1586
01:19:24,492 --> 01:19:26,772
Speaker 3: up in about twenty five minutes before we get to

1587
01:19:26,772 --> 01:19:28,852
Speaker 3: Gareth though, this is sorry.

1588
01:19:28,652 --> 01:19:30,692
Speaker 2: You go mate, No I was. I was just breathing.

1589
01:19:30,772 --> 01:19:34,053
Speaker 3: Oh you're going to need a big deep breath for

1590
01:19:34,133 --> 01:19:37,972
Speaker 3: this one. PDA. So you may have seen this story,

1591
01:19:39,053 --> 01:19:42,612
Speaker 3: ow dare they a couple's excessive kissing and fondling on

1592
01:19:42,692 --> 01:19:45,293
Speaker 3: a packed in New Zealand. It's a great word, fondling,

1593
01:19:45,333 --> 01:19:47,333
Speaker 3: isn't it? On a packed in New Zealand flight, it

1594
01:19:47,372 --> 01:19:49,093
Speaker 3: means a lot. Yeah, it does mean a lot has

1595
01:19:49,133 --> 01:19:51,852
Speaker 3: parked more than just a couple of passengers who are

1596
01:19:51,853 --> 01:19:55,252
Speaker 3: pretty uncomfortable. They did face court charges for an indecent

1597
01:19:55,253 --> 01:20:00,652
Speaker 3: act in public, so it was pretty amorous behavior. But well,

1598
01:20:00,732 --> 01:20:04,052
Speaker 3: that's a more extreme example. It has grabbed the headlines, obviously,

1599
01:20:04,093 --> 01:20:07,413
Speaker 3: but it raises a bigger question around PDA public displays

1600
01:20:07,692 --> 01:20:10,492
Speaker 3: of effect. And I'm going to put myself out on

1601
01:20:10,492 --> 01:20:12,812
Speaker 3: a limb here. I reckon, we're not so hot on

1602
01:20:12,853 --> 01:20:13,852
Speaker 3: PDA in New Zealand.

1603
01:20:14,213 --> 01:20:16,013
Speaker 2: Well, it depends what you mean. What was happening on

1604
01:20:16,053 --> 01:20:18,333
Speaker 2: that plane was a lot. That's a lot for people

1605
01:20:18,333 --> 01:20:21,333
Speaker 2: to deal with it on a plane in a confined area, right,

1606
01:20:21,372 --> 01:20:24,492
Speaker 2: and I think that most people would go that might

1607
01:20:24,572 --> 01:20:27,012
Speaker 2: be worse than that might be. I'm not so worse,

1608
01:20:27,053 --> 01:20:28,812
Speaker 2: because you know, we need more love in the world,

1609
01:20:29,452 --> 01:20:33,532
Speaker 2: but it might be outside of the realms of PDA

1610
01:20:33,652 --> 01:20:38,212
Speaker 2: public displays of affection that is public sexual activity.

1611
01:20:38,412 --> 01:20:40,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it certainly was. I mean, if you end

1612
01:20:40,213 --> 01:20:42,692
Speaker 3: up in court for it. Yeah, obviously you probably took PDA.

1613
01:20:43,572 --> 01:20:46,052
Speaker 2: They probably went further around the bases then I would

1614
01:20:46,053 --> 01:20:49,372
Speaker 2: call PDA. But personally, I don't care. If people want

1615
01:20:49,412 --> 01:20:51,772
Speaker 2: to have a bit of a passion in public, I

1616
01:20:51,853 --> 01:20:55,732
Speaker 2: don't care if if I mean, do you I asked

1617
01:20:55,772 --> 01:20:57,692
Speaker 2: you this before, Tyler, I can't remember what you said. Sorry,

1618
01:20:57,692 --> 01:20:58,532
Speaker 2: it's a few hours ago.

1619
01:20:58,853 --> 01:20:59,173
Speaker 3: That's right.

1620
01:20:59,213 --> 01:21:01,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's holding hands in public.

1621
01:21:02,013 --> 01:21:03,532
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so I'm not a big fan of it.

1622
01:21:03,572 --> 01:21:04,532
Speaker 3: I'm not a big fan of it.

1623
01:21:04,572 --> 01:21:07,213
Speaker 2: So so I walked past with my lovely partner Tracy

1624
01:21:07,253 --> 01:21:11,053
Speaker 2: holding hands. You were look down your nose at that

1625
01:21:11,173 --> 01:21:12,452
Speaker 2: look dimly feel awkward.

1626
01:21:12,772 --> 01:21:12,972
Speaker 13: No.

1627
01:21:13,093 --> 01:21:14,692
Speaker 3: See, here's the difference that if I see it out

1628
01:21:14,692 --> 01:21:16,892
Speaker 3: in public, if I see you doing it or anybody else,

1629
01:21:17,812 --> 01:21:21,173
Speaker 3: then I'm okay with it. But I wouldn't do it personally.

1630
01:21:22,492 --> 01:21:25,492
Speaker 3: And the reason I wouldn't do it, I just think

1631
01:21:25,492 --> 01:21:28,732
Speaker 3: it's a bit forlorn even. I mean, like, this will

1632
01:21:28,732 --> 01:21:30,213
Speaker 3: make me sound like a mess of prude. It maybe

1633
01:21:30,213 --> 01:21:33,532
Speaker 3: I am, but just holding hands and getting a little

1634
01:21:33,572 --> 01:21:34,412
Speaker 3: bit ca noodling.

1635
01:21:34,812 --> 01:21:36,532
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean it doesn't make you sound like

1636
01:21:36,532 --> 01:21:39,452
Speaker 2: a prude tiler. It makes you sound like you have

1637
01:21:40,333 --> 01:21:42,492
Speaker 2: the heart of a grinch, like your heart is a

1638
01:21:42,532 --> 01:21:46,692
Speaker 2: couple of sizes too small. There's nothing sexual about holding

1639
01:21:46,732 --> 01:21:50,572
Speaker 2: hands to be prudish about. It's just, you know, say,

1640
01:21:50,772 --> 01:21:53,732
Speaker 2: if Tracy and I are walking the dog in the morning,

1641
01:21:54,053 --> 01:21:56,852
Speaker 2: you know, before work, yep, might hold hands as well

1642
01:21:56,973 --> 01:21:59,612
Speaker 2: as we're walking down the street and talking. It's just

1643
01:21:59,612 --> 01:22:01,412
Speaker 2: just a nice thing to do. I don't think that's

1644
01:22:01,452 --> 01:22:06,372
Speaker 2: even in the same conversation as the what was going

1645
01:22:06,412 --> 01:22:07,052
Speaker 2: on on that play?

1646
01:22:08,452 --> 01:22:10,772
Speaker 3: So that's certainly right at stage one. I mean they

1647
01:22:10,772 --> 01:22:12,372
Speaker 3: were at stage twenty.

1648
01:22:12,053 --> 01:22:16,772
Speaker 2: Maybe, you know. And what about like a pass on

1649
01:22:16,812 --> 01:22:19,172
Speaker 2: the street. Isn't that just just some love? I watched

1650
01:22:19,213 --> 01:22:22,292
Speaker 2: a documentary last night. You can see it on YouTube.

1651
01:22:22,293 --> 01:22:25,612
Speaker 2: It's Auckland in nineteen sixty seven. Can't remember exactly it's called.

1652
01:22:25,612 --> 01:22:28,852
Speaker 2: It's it's New Zealand Film Commission. It's I think it's

1653
01:22:28,853 --> 01:22:31,412
Speaker 2: just called Aucklande and it just goes round in films,

1654
01:22:31,572 --> 01:22:34,293
Speaker 2: basically a day in Auckland and describes what Auckland is

1655
01:22:34,333 --> 01:22:36,092
Speaker 2: in ninety sixty seven. I've got to say in nineteen

1656
01:22:36,133 --> 01:22:39,652
Speaker 2: sixty seven, New Zealand was a very confident country, sure

1657
01:22:39,732 --> 01:22:43,693
Speaker 2: that it was forging a path towards the future and modernizing,

1658
01:22:43,812 --> 01:22:45,333
Speaker 2: and it's a very positive documentary.

1659
01:22:45,333 --> 01:22:46,173
Speaker 3: Actually it sounds good.

1660
01:22:46,612 --> 01:22:49,692
Speaker 2: But there was so much PDA in that documentary. Pretty

1661
01:22:49,732 --> 01:22:52,132
Speaker 2: there were people kissing on the streets, there were people

1662
01:22:52,572 --> 01:22:55,293
Speaker 2: lying on the beach making out. There were people making

1663
01:22:55,293 --> 01:22:58,093
Speaker 2: out and on boats. And I'm not sure if the

1664
01:22:58,093 --> 01:22:59,852
Speaker 2: guy that made the documentary is just a purble what

1665
01:23:00,333 --> 01:23:04,093
Speaker 2: or that was more the way people operated back in

1666
01:23:04,133 --> 01:23:06,452
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven. But I saw that and thought there's

1667
01:23:06,492 --> 01:23:07,133
Speaker 2: a lot of love.

1668
01:23:07,452 --> 01:23:08,533
Speaker 3: That was a henk.

1669
01:23:08,652 --> 01:23:11,692
Speaker 2: There was a lot of love in nineteen sixty sixty seven.

1670
01:23:11,812 --> 01:23:12,652
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

1671
01:23:15,492 --> 01:23:17,452
Speaker 3: Context is important. I'll tell you. I'll tell you where

1672
01:23:17,572 --> 01:23:19,732
Speaker 3: I draw the line or where I get uncomfortable. Is

1673
01:23:19,772 --> 01:23:22,972
Speaker 3: that if I'm down at the beach and it's a nice,

1674
01:23:23,372 --> 01:23:26,333
Speaker 3: warm Saturday, and you've got kids running around and everyone's

1675
01:23:26,372 --> 01:23:28,572
Speaker 3: having a good time. Then there's a couple and they're

1676
01:23:28,572 --> 01:23:30,772
Speaker 3: on the towels and they're in their togs, and then

1677
01:23:30,893 --> 01:23:32,852
Speaker 3: they start having a big old passion. I'm sitting right

1678
01:23:32,893 --> 01:23:35,572
Speaker 3: next to them. Can you honestly say, You'll be sitting

1679
01:23:35,572 --> 01:23:38,572
Speaker 3: there and thinking, Oh, isn't that lovely? That's beautiful. I

1680
01:23:38,612 --> 01:23:41,133
Speaker 3: would look there and think.

1681
01:23:40,732 --> 01:23:42,732
Speaker 2: Can I describe the situation exactly again, I'm going to

1682
01:23:42,772 --> 01:23:43,213
Speaker 2: picture it.

1683
01:23:43,293 --> 01:23:45,973
Speaker 3: So I am sitting on joint. Actually I'll say the

1684
01:23:45,973 --> 01:23:48,173
Speaker 3: beach Milford Beach over on the north Shore.

1685
01:23:48,173 --> 01:23:51,492
Speaker 2: Beautiful beach, lovely beach, very popular, so act I like

1686
01:23:51,532 --> 01:23:52,492
Speaker 2: their mental image so far.

1687
01:23:52,732 --> 01:23:56,052
Speaker 3: It's a lovely twenty five degree day in the peak

1688
01:23:56,093 --> 01:23:58,972
Speaker 3: of summer on a Saturday morning. So you've gone to

1689
01:23:59,013 --> 01:24:00,972
Speaker 3: get an ice cream. You're sitting down there. You found

1690
01:24:00,973 --> 01:24:03,892
Speaker 3: your slice of beach that you've laid your towel out.

1691
01:24:04,213 --> 01:24:06,452
Speaker 3: Then there's a young couple that has just put their

1692
01:24:06,572 --> 01:24:09,973
Speaker 3: towel right beside you. They're in their togs and you know,

1693
01:24:10,093 --> 01:24:12,333
Speaker 3: fairly good looking couple. You've got to say you've noticed

1694
01:24:12,333 --> 01:24:13,372
Speaker 3: that before they sit down.

1695
01:24:13,853 --> 01:24:16,652
Speaker 2: Then I don't go around looking at people and judging

1696
01:24:16,652 --> 01:24:17,452
Speaker 2: how good looking they are.

1697
01:24:17,973 --> 01:24:19,652
Speaker 3: Okay, what's up to you? You know, no judgment.

1698
01:24:19,652 --> 01:24:21,213
Speaker 2: They hunting up like a little sign that says ten

1699
01:24:21,293 --> 01:24:21,532
Speaker 2: on it.

1700
01:24:21,933 --> 01:24:24,532
Speaker 3: No, you could do. So these kids running around in

1701
01:24:24,572 --> 01:24:27,052
Speaker 3: the meantime, they're having a great time in the water,

1702
01:24:27,213 --> 01:24:29,732
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden this couple they started

1703
01:24:29,732 --> 01:24:33,253
Speaker 3: holding hands and now you look over and they having

1704
01:24:33,253 --> 01:24:36,732
Speaker 3: a massive snog, massive snog and they've been into it

1705
01:24:36,772 --> 01:24:39,133
Speaker 3: for a good sort of fifteen seconds, and you're right

1706
01:24:39,173 --> 01:24:41,412
Speaker 3: beside them, You're only half a meter away. Yeah, so

1707
01:24:41,452 --> 01:24:44,732
Speaker 3: at that point, are you know, kind of saying that's love?

1708
01:24:46,253 --> 01:24:48,452
Speaker 2: I probably would find it kind of amusing. I can

1709
01:24:48,492 --> 01:24:51,692
Speaker 2: imagine me having a rye aside, like a laugh. I

1710
01:24:51,772 --> 01:24:54,253
Speaker 2: might like look over at Tracy if she happens to

1711
01:24:54,253 --> 01:24:56,812
Speaker 2: be the person beside me, and wink and laugh and

1712
01:24:56,853 --> 01:24:58,973
Speaker 2: go check out these people. I said. They wouldn't be

1713
01:24:58,973 --> 01:25:02,692
Speaker 2: offended by it. I wouldn't feel awkward by it. I mean,

1714
01:25:02,732 --> 01:25:04,772
Speaker 2: I accept that we live in a world where people

1715
01:25:04,772 --> 01:25:08,213
Speaker 2: sometimes pash. I don't know. I think I think, you know,

1716
01:25:08,452 --> 01:25:13,612
Speaker 2: might I might say stop it there, I might say,

1717
01:25:13,692 --> 01:25:15,572
Speaker 2: you might want to not go too much further? Yeah,

1718
01:25:15,652 --> 01:25:18,333
Speaker 2: my mom, I wouldn't say anything. I might stand over

1719
01:25:18,372 --> 01:25:20,652
Speaker 2: them and go I don't I don't have a problem

1720
01:25:20,652 --> 01:25:23,133
Speaker 2: with what you're doing now, yep. But just just so

1721
01:25:23,253 --> 01:25:24,732
Speaker 2: you know, I don't think you should go any further.

1722
01:25:24,812 --> 01:25:27,253
Speaker 3: You cannot escalate from here. That's enough. But a little

1723
01:25:27,293 --> 01:25:29,972
Speaker 3: pash on the beach, Come on, No, I just find

1724
01:25:30,013 --> 01:25:32,372
Speaker 3: it uncomfortable. But what do you say? Oh, eight hundred

1725
01:25:32,452 --> 01:25:35,492
Speaker 3: eighty ten eighty. Am I a prude? And are we

1726
01:25:35,532 --> 01:25:37,053
Speaker 3: a bunch of prudes in New Zealand? Or is there

1727
01:25:37,093 --> 01:25:39,572
Speaker 3: nothing wrong with a bit of PDA in public?

1728
01:25:39,812 --> 01:25:40,052
Speaker 11: Ah?

1729
01:25:40,173 --> 01:25:43,173
Speaker 2: Look this Texas Steve. He might be right, guys. Ninety

1730
01:25:43,173 --> 01:25:46,333
Speaker 2: sixty seven was flower Power era free love. Yeah, you

1731
01:25:46,372 --> 01:25:48,972
Speaker 2: need to get into time machine made it was great. Yeah,

1732
01:25:49,053 --> 01:25:51,772
Speaker 2: So maybe that's why that documentary had so much It

1733
01:25:51,812 --> 01:25:53,293
Speaker 2: was there was the time of free love.

1734
01:25:53,213 --> 01:25:54,293
Speaker 3: A lot of love going around that.

1735
01:25:55,013 --> 01:25:57,812
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what nineteen sixty seven in Auckland

1736
01:25:57,893 --> 01:25:59,133
Speaker 2: looked like. A bloody good time?

1737
01:25:59,772 --> 01:26:04,092
Speaker 3: Is a forty past three? News talk said, be afternoon,

1738
01:26:04,173 --> 01:26:06,612
Speaker 3: j there's sixteen past three. So we're talking about PDA

1739
01:26:06,692 --> 01:26:10,692
Speaker 3: public displays of a fiction in New Zealand. Is it okay?

1740
01:26:10,812 --> 01:26:12,452
Speaker 3: Or do you feel a bit uncomfortable when you see

1741
01:26:12,452 --> 01:26:15,572
Speaker 3: people getting a little bit amorous? But hanky panky. I'm

1742
01:26:15,572 --> 01:26:16,972
Speaker 3: probably making that a bit more extreme.

1743
01:26:17,133 --> 01:26:19,293
Speaker 2: This is funny because I was saying before I saw

1744
01:26:19,293 --> 01:26:21,812
Speaker 2: this documentary from nineteen sixty seven on YouTube, you should

1745
01:26:21,853 --> 01:26:24,652
Speaker 2: look it up. It's good. It's just on Auckland. It's

1746
01:26:24,652 --> 01:26:28,812
Speaker 2: made by the New Zealand Film Commission. And someone said

1747
01:26:28,812 --> 01:26:30,812
Speaker 2: before it was nineteen sixty seven, so it's probably free love.

1748
01:26:30,853 --> 01:26:32,692
Speaker 2: That's why there was so much PDA in it. This

1749
01:26:32,772 --> 01:26:35,052
Speaker 2: guy Ian says he was born in Auckland in nineteen

1750
01:26:35,053 --> 01:26:37,932
Speaker 2: sixty eight, so that checks out. That checks out.

1751
01:26:38,053 --> 01:26:39,093
Speaker 3: Maybe ex out well done.

1752
01:26:39,093 --> 01:26:42,692
Speaker 2: Maybe sixty seven was a pretty randy year. I'm not

1753
01:26:42,732 --> 01:26:46,932
Speaker 2: sure this tix is gross. No, Matt, I don't want

1754
01:26:46,933 --> 01:26:49,492
Speaker 2: to see you walking around feeling your partner up. I

1755
01:26:49,492 --> 01:26:53,133
Speaker 2: don't care how early it is. Holding hands is not

1756
01:26:53,452 --> 01:26:54,893
Speaker 2: feeling your partner.

1757
01:26:54,572 --> 01:26:59,132
Speaker 3: Up stage one. It's not in the stage one, stage one.

1758
01:26:59,293 --> 01:27:01,973
Speaker 3: It's just a nice show of affection.

1759
01:27:03,213 --> 01:27:06,692
Speaker 2: This one holding hand says holding hands is performative and

1760
01:27:06,933 --> 01:27:09,932
Speaker 2: or controlling. Oh, you either want to make it clear

1761
01:27:09,973 --> 01:27:13,413
Speaker 2: to others how much better your relationship is than other people's,

1762
01:27:13,812 --> 01:27:16,093
Speaker 2: or imagine, in your case, Matt, making it clear to

1763
01:27:16,173 --> 01:27:20,372
Speaker 2: her that you own her. Well, wow, that that this

1764
01:27:20,532 --> 01:27:23,452
Speaker 2: person that's texting has definitely not met my partner because

1765
01:27:23,772 --> 01:27:24,492
Speaker 2: I don't own her.

1766
01:27:24,652 --> 01:27:26,452
Speaker 3: No, No, I certainly doesn't.

1767
01:27:26,612 --> 01:27:30,772
Speaker 2: No one owns her. It would take a lot more

1768
01:27:30,812 --> 01:27:34,412
Speaker 2: than holding hands for me to, you know, exert any

1769
01:27:34,452 --> 01:27:35,293
Speaker 2: control over her.

1770
01:27:35,732 --> 01:27:35,972
Speaker 5: Woman.

1771
01:27:36,013 --> 01:27:37,253
Speaker 3: What do you think about that text?

1772
01:27:37,652 --> 01:27:38,452
Speaker 2: And welcome to the show?

1773
01:27:39,933 --> 01:27:41,893
Speaker 13: Yeah, thanks, Matt. Can you guys hear me?

1774
01:27:41,933 --> 01:27:43,812
Speaker 2: Are you can hear you loud and clear?

1775
01:27:45,732 --> 01:27:45,972
Speaker 5: Cool?

1776
01:27:46,732 --> 01:27:49,972
Speaker 21: Yeah, I was just going to tom.

1777
01:27:50,013 --> 01:27:52,173
Speaker 13: Sorry, Tyler, but you're quite the holding.

1778
01:27:51,893 --> 01:27:57,972
Speaker 3: Hands is a bit extreme, but march mate, Yeah, yeah,

1779
01:27:59,333 --> 01:28:00,092
Speaker 3: around all.

1780
01:27:59,933 --> 01:28:00,492
Speaker 21: Of it is.

1781
01:28:01,093 --> 01:28:05,972
Speaker 8: If my wife feels more love and prettier in all

1782
01:28:06,053 --> 01:28:06,933
Speaker 8: the things.

1783
01:28:06,812 --> 01:28:11,052
Speaker 13: Because I put my wife.

1784
01:28:09,692 --> 01:28:11,892
Speaker 8: Around it, und.

1785
01:28:14,013 --> 01:28:18,932
Speaker 13: Then that's what run. I would be.

1786
01:28:18,933 --> 01:28:24,972
Speaker 9: Worried that that, Tyler's I think there's something about her reason.

1787
01:28:27,013 --> 01:28:29,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a fair point. But look, there's a couple

1788
01:28:29,133 --> 01:28:31,133
Speaker 3: of things here I've got to say about it.

1789
01:28:31,173 --> 01:28:34,932
Speaker 2: Are you going to talk about the speech she walked? Yeah? Okay, yeah,

1790
01:28:35,013 --> 01:28:38,093
Speaker 2: because so part of this doesn't. This doesn't make you

1791
01:28:38,133 --> 01:28:40,053
Speaker 2: look good before, because it's all it does. You told

1792
01:28:40,053 --> 01:28:42,772
Speaker 2: me this off here, and it doesn't make you look good, Tyler,

1793
01:28:42,772 --> 01:28:43,852
Speaker 2: but you go ahead and share it.

1794
01:28:43,853 --> 01:28:46,173
Speaker 3: Well, let's let the audience decide whether this makes me

1795
01:28:46,213 --> 01:28:48,253
Speaker 3: look good or whether it makes the situation a bit better.

1796
01:28:48,333 --> 01:28:51,412
Speaker 3: So normally, you know, if my lovely partner may and

1797
01:28:51,492 --> 01:28:53,372
Speaker 3: she is far better than I am, and I love

1798
01:28:53,412 --> 01:28:55,133
Speaker 3: her dearly, if she wants to hold hands, or quite

1799
01:28:55,173 --> 01:28:58,372
Speaker 3: often we do that, we the arm through the elbow

1800
01:28:58,372 --> 01:28:59,293
Speaker 3: situation sort.

1801
01:28:59,133 --> 01:29:01,372
Speaker 2: Of a pride and prejudice go for a walk around

1802
01:29:01,412 --> 01:29:04,213
Speaker 2: the gardens of the country estate Jane Austin type situation.

1803
01:29:04,333 --> 01:29:07,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so so I'll allow it. Usually there's a

1804
01:29:07,053 --> 01:29:10,333
Speaker 3: time limit on it as well. But the big issue

1805
01:29:10,412 --> 01:29:12,772
Speaker 3: here is I'm a fast walker, right, and I don't

1806
01:29:12,772 --> 01:29:14,692
Speaker 3: really have anywhere to be. I just like to be

1807
01:29:14,933 --> 01:29:18,692
Speaker 3: moving at a fair rate of knots, whereas Mave's a daordler.

1808
01:29:18,853 --> 01:29:21,772
Speaker 3: So then when I'm holding hands or we're linked arms

1809
01:29:22,412 --> 01:29:27,333
Speaker 3: and she's taking too long to actually walk where we're

1810
01:29:27,372 --> 01:29:30,093
Speaker 3: trying to walk to, I get frustrated. So then I

1811
01:29:30,133 --> 01:29:31,772
Speaker 3: feel like I'm dragging may along.

1812
01:29:32,572 --> 01:29:36,412
Speaker 2: No but Tyler, So when you're going somewhere with your

1813
01:29:36,412 --> 01:29:39,852
Speaker 2: lovely partner, do you just go faster? Don't you can't

1814
01:29:39,853 --> 01:29:41,692
Speaker 2: be bother waiting for her? So what do you walk

1815
01:29:41,973 --> 01:29:44,053
Speaker 2: fifteen meters ahead of her to try and hurry her up?

1816
01:29:44,093 --> 01:29:45,452
Speaker 2: Don't you have to wait for her when you get there?

1817
01:29:45,492 --> 01:29:47,612
Speaker 2: Don't you want to? I don't you want to walk

1818
01:29:47,652 --> 01:29:51,853
Speaker 2: along beside her and have a nice chat and experience

1819
01:29:51,933 --> 01:29:55,732
Speaker 2: the absolute beauty of your relationship and share your thoughts

1820
01:29:55,732 --> 01:29:58,053
Speaker 2: and hopes and dreams as you're wandering along the road

1821
01:29:58,093 --> 01:29:58,692
Speaker 2: to wherever you go.

1822
01:29:58,853 --> 01:30:00,772
Speaker 3: Well, usually I give her a head start so then

1823
01:30:01,053 --> 01:30:03,013
Speaker 3: by the time I catch up, then we can have

1824
01:30:03,053 --> 01:30:06,612
Speaker 3: a nice, nice chat before we get to Then have you.

1825
01:30:06,652 --> 01:30:09,333
Speaker 2: Thought about you know like you do and you know

1826
01:30:09,692 --> 01:30:13,572
Speaker 2: in the in Melbourn cart with handicaps, So maybe load

1827
01:30:13,612 --> 01:30:15,932
Speaker 2: yourselves up, you load you up with weights to slow

1828
01:30:15,973 --> 01:30:17,572
Speaker 2: yourself down of it.

1829
01:30:17,933 --> 01:30:20,492
Speaker 3: Actually that could work. Oh, one hundred and eighty ten

1830
01:30:20,532 --> 01:30:22,333
Speaker 3: eighty is number to call. This is a good text here,

1831
01:30:22,652 --> 01:30:26,812
Speaker 3: giddo lads. New Zealand is massively prudish. I've got called out.

1832
01:30:26,812 --> 01:30:29,572
Speaker 3: Me and my partner have been called out three times

1833
01:30:29,692 --> 01:30:32,972
Speaker 3: being too affectionate. First incident was in a public pool. Yes,

1834
01:30:32,973 --> 01:30:34,412
Speaker 3: there were children on the pool next to us, but

1835
01:30:34,452 --> 01:30:36,492
Speaker 3: we were in the spa area of a hot pool

1836
01:30:36,732 --> 01:30:40,492
Speaker 3: and we were only sitting next to each other harmlessly kissing.

1837
01:30:40,492 --> 01:30:42,652
Speaker 3: The lifeguard came and told us in a rude way

1838
01:30:42,652 --> 01:30:44,572
Speaker 3: that we should stop or leave because there were children.

1839
01:30:44,812 --> 01:30:47,213
Speaker 3: Second incident was in a bakery for holding hands and

1840
01:30:47,253 --> 01:30:49,812
Speaker 3: one little kiss and we were called out are you

1841
01:30:49,893 --> 01:30:52,213
Speaker 3: on your honeymoon or what? By the owner with a

1842
01:30:52,293 --> 01:30:55,772
Speaker 3: pushing undertone. The third incident, while we were sitting in

1843
01:30:55,812 --> 01:30:59,293
Speaker 3: our park car kissing again, not eating each other or anything.

1844
01:30:59,372 --> 01:31:02,492
Speaker 3: The guy, this guy came up. This guy came up,

1845
01:31:02,692 --> 01:31:05,372
Speaker 3: and we'll pass our car. Then he screamed, get a room.

1846
01:31:05,692 --> 01:31:08,013
Speaker 3: New Zealand does massively prudish grow up?

1847
01:31:08,772 --> 01:31:11,893
Speaker 2: Yes, who cares if someone's having a little passion in

1848
01:31:12,412 --> 01:31:17,053
Speaker 2: a sparkle. This text from Tammy filled my heart full

1849
01:31:17,053 --> 01:31:20,692
Speaker 2: of joy, my cup runneth over. When you see older

1850
01:31:20,732 --> 01:31:23,213
Speaker 2: people holding hands makes me feel so happy that the

1851
01:31:23,293 --> 01:31:27,412
Speaker 2: love is still strong. See you know that's.

1852
01:31:28,572 --> 01:31:31,093
Speaker 3: I mean, look if it's a lovely older couple and

1853
01:31:31,133 --> 01:31:33,293
Speaker 3: they're sitting on a park bench and they're holding hands,

1854
01:31:33,333 --> 01:31:34,492
Speaker 3: of course that's beautiful.

1855
01:31:34,692 --> 01:31:38,932
Speaker 2: Linda says holding hands is lovely and just blends two

1856
01:31:38,973 --> 01:31:42,772
Speaker 2: people together. And she also says love seeing older people

1857
01:31:42,853 --> 01:31:45,372
Speaker 2: holding hands. You know, when my lovely mother was still

1858
01:31:45,372 --> 01:31:49,692
Speaker 2: a right alive, my dad and her used to hold

1859
01:31:49,692 --> 01:31:51,492
Speaker 2: hands all the time, And I thought, look at that.

1860
01:31:51,492 --> 01:31:53,253
Speaker 2: They've been married for so long and they still love

1861
01:31:53,293 --> 01:31:53,652
Speaker 2: each other.

1862
01:31:53,853 --> 01:31:54,013
Speaker 18: You know.

1863
01:31:54,133 --> 01:31:56,652
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, beautiful thing, if it was Tyler, it'd be hoofing

1864
01:31:56,692 --> 01:32:01,412
Speaker 2: off down the road like Usain Bolt. That's you know,

1865
01:32:02,253 --> 01:32:04,452
Speaker 2: trying to get trying to get where he's going. It's

1866
01:32:04,492 --> 01:32:06,012
Speaker 2: all about how quickly you get there.

1867
01:32:06,133 --> 01:32:08,932
Speaker 3: Speed. Compatibility is a big thing in relationships. I'm telling

1868
01:32:08,973 --> 01:32:11,932
Speaker 3: you rather that it's twenty two past three PDA. Where

1869
01:32:11,933 --> 01:32:13,293
Speaker 3: do you draw the line? In New Zealand?

1870
01:32:13,372 --> 01:32:20,293
Speaker 1: Love to hear from you, Mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons

1871
01:32:20,333 --> 01:32:23,333
Speaker 1: call oh eight hundred eighty ten eighty on us talk ZB.

1872
01:32:24,333 --> 01:32:26,932
Speaker 3: It's twenty four pars three. There's some great seaks coming through.

1873
01:32:27,333 --> 01:32:29,492
Speaker 2: When I say to my wife, shall we hold hands

1874
01:32:29,532 --> 01:32:32,133
Speaker 2: while walking down the replete she applies f off. That

1875
01:32:32,253 --> 01:32:36,972
Speaker 2: is not happening. Since Michael, that's nice, Michael. My wife's

1876
01:32:37,013 --> 01:32:39,692
Speaker 2: never been into PDAs. She will never kiss me in

1877
01:32:39,732 --> 01:32:42,453
Speaker 2: front of other people. Personally, I think it's spoiled the weddings.

1878
01:32:43,772 --> 01:32:44,532
Speaker 2: That's good from you.

1879
01:32:44,572 --> 01:32:45,772
Speaker 3: David, It's very good from you.

1880
01:32:46,452 --> 01:32:50,053
Speaker 2: Is Tyler asure a sock? We're are in bed usually socks? Sure,

1881
01:32:50,093 --> 01:32:52,972
Speaker 2: we are in beds extreme woman love a little hold,

1882
01:32:52,973 --> 01:32:56,492
Speaker 2: hand handholding. Something has gone wrong for that person to

1883
01:32:56,492 --> 01:33:00,452
Speaker 2: think handholding is a dominating act. Yeah, another text on

1884
01:33:00,492 --> 01:33:03,573
Speaker 2: that person that's said that that holding hands is performative

1885
01:33:03,612 --> 01:33:07,452
Speaker 2: and or controlling. That person saying it is exerting your

1886
01:33:07,452 --> 01:33:10,333
Speaker 2: ownership of your auner is definitely a victim mentality person,

1887
01:33:10,572 --> 01:33:13,293
Speaker 2: How can you take a natural gesture between two people

1888
01:33:13,372 --> 01:33:17,173
Speaker 2: into a negative We and me and my wife do

1889
01:33:17,253 --> 01:33:19,812
Speaker 2: it all the time. Most times there isn't even anyone around.

1890
01:33:20,213 --> 01:33:22,652
Speaker 2: But like Tyler, my wife likes like walks like the

1891
01:33:22,732 --> 01:33:26,013
Speaker 2: road is falling it way behind so much times if

1892
01:33:26,053 --> 01:33:27,972
Speaker 2: we're not holding hands, it's because she is too far

1893
01:33:28,013 --> 01:33:28,452
Speaker 2: ahead of me.

1894
01:33:28,532 --> 01:33:30,412
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, thank you for that support.

1895
01:33:31,053 --> 01:33:36,452
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, Tyler. Travel speed, Yeah, speed walking compatibility.

1896
01:33:36,492 --> 01:33:38,732
Speaker 2: Walking speed compatibility is a major issue.

1897
01:33:38,772 --> 01:33:40,692
Speaker 3: It's huge, it's huge if you can't walk at the

1898
01:33:40,692 --> 01:33:41,213
Speaker 3: same speed.

1899
01:33:41,293 --> 01:33:43,852
Speaker 2: Bob, he's got the solution. They hate stupid walk circles

1900
01:33:43,893 --> 01:33:45,972
Speaker 2: around mavee and you both get there at the same time.

1901
01:33:46,013 --> 01:33:46,652
Speaker 2: That's a good point.

1902
01:33:46,692 --> 01:33:51,133
Speaker 3: Now you're thinking, Bob, So it doesn't sold.

1903
01:33:51,133 --> 01:33:53,452
Speaker 2: The handhole, it doesn't sold. You'll have to go from

1904
01:33:53,452 --> 01:33:55,732
Speaker 2: hand to hand. Mae's walking down the road and you're

1905
01:33:55,772 --> 01:33:57,812
Speaker 2: just walking around and around in circles to be at

1906
01:33:57,812 --> 01:34:00,692
Speaker 2: the same speed as her, well, swapping hands as you walk. Crowded. Yeah,

1907
01:34:01,372 --> 01:34:03,372
Speaker 2: very practical way to get from A to B. Someone

1908
01:34:03,372 --> 01:34:07,652
Speaker 2: will call the police on that. James Walking of the Show, Yeah.

1909
01:34:07,572 --> 01:34:09,692
Speaker 22: Hi, I don't know, I'm talking to is it Matt.

1910
01:34:09,572 --> 01:34:13,452
Speaker 2: Is it it's Matt? You said, Tyler's here as well, James.

1911
01:34:13,893 --> 01:34:16,972
Speaker 22: Yeah, I just sent to text at a few minutes

1912
01:34:17,013 --> 01:34:20,972
Speaker 22: ago saying Tyler, Tyler, you amazed me how you felt

1913
01:34:21,013 --> 01:34:23,932
Speaker 22: like that, you know, lying on Milford Beach. But when

1914
01:34:24,333 --> 01:34:27,532
Speaker 22: the people came in saying it was controlling and so on,

1915
01:34:27,933 --> 01:34:30,572
Speaker 22: I thought, I think this demands a phone call. I

1916
01:34:30,612 --> 01:34:33,133
Speaker 22: can't like some of the people calling, and I can't

1917
01:34:33,173 --> 01:34:36,972
Speaker 22: get over why anybody would have a problem with seeing

1918
01:34:37,013 --> 01:34:40,572
Speaker 22: somebody holding hands. And the guy said how he's been

1919
01:34:40,652 --> 01:34:43,372
Speaker 22: called out for three times once in a stop or

1920
01:34:43,692 --> 01:34:46,412
Speaker 22: guessing well, anything like that. I mean, if they're going

1921
01:34:46,452 --> 01:34:51,412
Speaker 22: much beyond that, then that's another conversation. But to say

1922
01:34:51,492 --> 01:34:55,572
Speaker 22: that holding hands is controlling or anything like that, I

1923
01:34:55,692 --> 01:34:59,013
Speaker 22: just find amazing. I'm seventy three. We've just had our

1924
01:34:59,213 --> 01:35:00,613
Speaker 22: forty six wedding anniversary.

1925
01:35:00,732 --> 01:35:02,572
Speaker 2: Congratulations Jae, how awesome.

1926
01:35:03,973 --> 01:35:10,732
Speaker 22: Thanks a lot. She probably deserves congratulations all of them.

1927
01:35:11,213 --> 01:35:14,093
Speaker 22: It's it's been pretty good, and we've always had out

1928
01:35:14,253 --> 01:35:17,532
Speaker 22: ups and downs. Of course, you know, i'd bat life's

1929
01:35:17,572 --> 01:35:20,973
Speaker 22: work well for us, got four ad alt kits and

1930
01:35:21,013 --> 01:35:24,412
Speaker 22: grandchildren and Sean mar But we still walk around holding

1931
01:35:24,452 --> 01:35:25,013
Speaker 22: hands and.

1932
01:35:25,572 --> 01:35:26,013
Speaker 2: I love that.

1933
01:35:27,253 --> 01:35:28,372
Speaker 22: Don't have a problem with it.

1934
01:35:28,612 --> 01:35:30,372
Speaker 2: And you know what a lot of people are saying

1935
01:35:30,452 --> 01:35:33,852
Speaker 2: when they see you know, people if you don't mindly

1936
01:35:33,893 --> 01:35:36,852
Speaker 2: calling you an older person, James, when they see people

1937
01:35:36,893 --> 01:35:40,333
Speaker 2: walking around that are still holding hands and still have

1938
01:35:40,412 --> 01:35:43,372
Speaker 2: that love for each other, it gives everyone hope that

1939
01:35:43,372 --> 01:35:46,652
Speaker 2: that you can find that person, that you can spend

1940
01:35:46,692 --> 01:35:50,333
Speaker 2: a long time with them and still feel such affection

1941
01:35:50,412 --> 01:35:52,492
Speaker 2: for them that you reach out and grab their grab

1942
01:35:52,532 --> 01:35:55,532
Speaker 2: their hand. You know, it's not all about the speed

1943
01:35:55,532 --> 01:35:56,293
Speaker 2: of walking, Tyler.

1944
01:35:57,612 --> 01:36:01,253
Speaker 22: I noticed with amusement people coming back and so they

1945
01:36:01,293 --> 01:36:07,093
Speaker 22: find cues or something seeing older that would be an

1946
01:36:07,133 --> 01:36:09,452
Speaker 22: actual facts funny you've just reminded me. Were sitting in

1947
01:36:09,452 --> 01:36:13,052
Speaker 22: a little bar down and my Rengie Bay a year ago,

1948
01:36:13,572 --> 01:36:17,172
Speaker 22: and a couple saw us sitting inside a younger couple

1949
01:36:17,333 --> 01:36:20,852
Speaker 22: and they actually commented to us. I've forgotten that they

1950
01:36:20,853 --> 01:36:26,173
Speaker 22: were on their first date. They'd met online, and we

1951
01:36:26,213 --> 01:36:28,652
Speaker 22: walked past from going up. I can't remember holding it,

1952
01:36:28,933 --> 01:36:30,412
Speaker 22: but they were watching us.

1953
01:36:31,253 --> 01:36:33,173
Speaker 2: They saw their hopeful future.

1954
01:36:34,333 --> 01:36:37,412
Speaker 22: And they commented on it. Yeah that's just a year,

1955
01:36:37,572 --> 01:36:39,253
Speaker 22: they go, Yeah, I don't have a problem with it,

1956
01:36:39,293 --> 01:36:42,372
Speaker 22: And I think you've probably used a bit of a

1957
01:36:42,372 --> 01:36:46,052
Speaker 22: fear term actually met you said, maybe some people are

1958
01:36:46,173 --> 01:36:47,293
Speaker 22: a bit grinched.

1959
01:36:47,053 --> 01:36:49,652
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, maybe some people's hearts are just a couple

1960
01:36:49,652 --> 01:36:52,173
Speaker 2: of sizes too small. Thank you so much for you call, James,

1961
01:36:52,213 --> 01:36:55,012
Speaker 2: and congratulations on your forty six years with your lovely

1962
01:36:55,053 --> 01:36:56,812
Speaker 2: wife that you still want to hold hands with blissed.

1963
01:36:57,053 --> 01:36:59,333
Speaker 2: I hope there, I hope, I hope you're feeling a

1964
01:36:59,412 --> 01:37:02,492
Speaker 2: little bit like a person. But what James didn't mention

1965
01:37:02,652 --> 01:37:05,932
Speaker 2: was a speak compatibility, and I take it judging that

1966
01:37:05,933 --> 01:37:08,052
Speaker 2: the lasted Are you still there.

1967
01:37:07,973 --> 01:37:12,492
Speaker 22: James, Yeah, I'm sorry. No, I walk way faster than intranet.

1968
01:37:12,853 --> 01:37:17,612
Speaker 2: But but but you're willing to slow it down, well.

1969
01:37:19,372 --> 01:37:24,213
Speaker 22: Intentionally slow it down. She actually probably walks quite quickly

1970
01:37:24,213 --> 01:37:27,333
Speaker 22: with me. She doesn't hang about, she doesn't definitely doesn't

1971
01:37:27,412 --> 01:37:28,773
Speaker 22: do Yeah.

1972
01:37:28,612 --> 01:37:31,333
Speaker 3: That's the compromise that I needed my life. James. Yeah,

1973
01:37:31,492 --> 01:37:31,892
Speaker 3: very good.

1974
01:37:32,372 --> 01:37:36,412
Speaker 2: Yeah. The person saying it's succeeding your ownership of your partners,

1975
01:37:36,532 --> 01:37:38,492
Speaker 2: I know we've already read that text. Is some mandy

1976
01:37:38,532 --> 01:37:41,612
Speaker 2: coming through hock into it. What's it to me? I'll

1977
01:37:41,612 --> 01:37:43,932
Speaker 2: either wander off or hang about. I think that's fair.

1978
01:37:44,093 --> 01:37:44,652
Speaker 3: That is fair.

1979
01:37:44,853 --> 01:37:47,093
Speaker 2: I mean, you know the first part of this guy,

1980
01:37:47,213 --> 01:37:49,452
Speaker 2: go for it. What's it to me? I'll either wander off,

1981
01:37:49,492 --> 01:37:51,372
Speaker 2: I mean hanging about and having a good locks probably

1982
01:37:51,572 --> 01:37:53,132
Speaker 2: not necessarily.

1983
01:37:54,812 --> 01:37:58,532
Speaker 3: A right great discussion, Thank you very much. Really enjoyed that.

1984
01:37:58,692 --> 01:38:00,972
Speaker 3: So I think it sounds like from most people that

1985
01:38:01,013 --> 01:38:02,853
Speaker 3: are pretty okay with holding handswer.

1986
01:38:02,612 --> 01:38:05,412
Speaker 2: I think holding hands is absolutely fine. Maybe a little

1987
01:38:05,412 --> 01:38:07,812
Speaker 2: bit of kurse going hammer and tongs on a plane

1988
01:38:08,093 --> 01:38:09,973
Speaker 2: that too far? And he hen's the charges that have

1989
01:38:10,013 --> 01:38:10,612
Speaker 2: been made.

1990
01:38:10,572 --> 01:38:13,213
Speaker 3: Good to clear that up right? Coming up next, we've

1991
01:38:13,253 --> 01:38:17,452
Speaker 3: got Gareth Ethnor standing by. He's an employment workplace information expert,

1992
01:38:17,612 --> 01:38:21,053
Speaker 3: director of Eddenor Employment Law. He is one of the

1993
01:38:21,093 --> 01:38:23,372
Speaker 3: best in this country at what he does. And this

1994
01:38:23,492 --> 01:38:25,892
Speaker 3: is free advice. If you've got an issue at your work,

1995
01:38:25,973 --> 01:38:28,612
Speaker 3: or you're an employer, you've got some problems with your works,

1996
01:38:28,652 --> 01:38:30,532
Speaker 3: now is your opportunity to have a chat with them.

1997
01:38:30,532 --> 01:38:32,133
Speaker 3: Oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighties and number to

1998
01:38:32,173 --> 01:38:33,372
Speaker 3: call twenty nine ocore.

1999
01:38:35,973 --> 01:38:39,572
Speaker 14: You talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis it's

2000
01:38:39,612 --> 01:38:43,493
Speaker 14: no trouble with a blue bubble. More generous early childhood

2001
01:38:43,492 --> 01:38:47,932
Speaker 14: care subsidies start rolling out today. Families able to claim

2002
01:38:48,013 --> 01:38:51,253
Speaker 14: back up to forty percent of their childcare cost incurred

2003
01:38:51,253 --> 01:38:54,812
Speaker 14: from July to September. The income cap for couples has

2004
01:38:54,853 --> 01:38:57,692
Speaker 14: been lifted to two hundred and thirty thousand dollars a year.

2005
01:38:58,652 --> 01:39:03,133
Speaker 14: Labour's leader claims more businesses will close after today's energy announcement,

2006
01:39:03,372 --> 01:39:06,012
Speaker 14: which has done little to help with steep power prices.

2007
01:39:06,933 --> 01:39:09,892
Speaker 14: And I'll contain fire that destroyed dozens of vehicles in

2008
01:39:09,973 --> 01:39:13,333
Speaker 14: Marlborough this morning is on a Canvastown property linked to

2009
01:39:13,372 --> 01:39:18,293
Speaker 14: an unsolved investigation into the twenty nineteen disappearance of Jessica Boyce.

2010
01:39:19,492 --> 01:39:22,893
Speaker 14: The White House is launched to countdown clock on its website,

2011
01:39:23,133 --> 01:39:26,652
Speaker 14: pinning the blame on Democrats as the US prepares for

2012
01:39:26,692 --> 01:39:31,492
Speaker 14: an imminent government shutdown. Federal funding expires at five PMUR time.

2013
01:39:32,412 --> 01:39:36,013
Speaker 14: Fire An Emergency says it's disappointed the firefighters union is

2014
01:39:36,093 --> 01:39:40,372
Speaker 14: planning a one hour strike on October seventeen over contract negotiations.

2015
01:39:41,412 --> 01:39:45,853
Speaker 14: We've come through it, honeysector eyes recovery after COVID collapse.

2016
01:39:46,133 --> 01:39:48,892
Speaker 14: Read more at enz at Herald Premium. Back to matt

2017
01:39:48,893 --> 01:39:49,932
Speaker 14: Ethan Tyler Adams.

2018
01:39:49,973 --> 01:39:52,213
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, ray Leane. Sir Gareth abdnor just

2019
01:39:52,213 --> 01:39:52,812
Speaker 3: before we're going.

2020
01:39:52,732 --> 01:39:54,572
Speaker 2: Too that, tylic I just read one final text on

2021
01:39:54,572 --> 01:39:58,012
Speaker 2: the previous topic. Please, my missus walks sideways like a crab,

2022
01:39:58,133 --> 01:40:00,812
Speaker 2: even when she hasn't been drinking. If we hold hands

2023
01:40:00,853 --> 01:40:02,932
Speaker 2: or link arms are risk being tripped up.

2024
01:40:03,333 --> 01:40:05,612
Speaker 3: That is a tough position to be in. I don't

2025
01:40:05,612 --> 01:40:07,372
Speaker 3: even know. I don't have any advice for you.

2026
01:40:07,452 --> 01:40:10,892
Speaker 2: Missus walk'side, it's like a crab. She holding her hands

2027
01:40:10,933 --> 01:40:14,492
Speaker 2: up and snapping that. Anyway, It's quite a talent, isn't it.

2028
01:40:14,772 --> 01:40:14,972
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2029
01:40:15,013 --> 01:40:17,972
Speaker 3: Anyway, anyway, sorry discussion Moving on to the next thing. Well,

2030
01:40:18,013 --> 01:40:20,132
Speaker 3: a good person to chat to right now is Gareth

2031
01:40:20,173 --> 01:40:25,892
Speaker 3: heptenoi's employment, workplace and information expert and director of Abdenaugh Employment. Lord, Gareth,

2032
01:40:25,973 --> 01:40:27,053
Speaker 3: welcome back. How are you?

2033
01:40:27,973 --> 01:40:30,612
Speaker 18: Oh, I'm good, Thanks guys, it's great to be here.

2034
01:40:30,732 --> 01:40:31,812
Speaker 3: Yeah, great to have you now.

2035
01:40:31,853 --> 01:40:32,093
Speaker 12: Mate.

2036
01:40:32,093 --> 01:40:34,173
Speaker 3: It's been a couple of weeks since we've had a

2037
01:40:34,253 --> 01:40:36,652
Speaker 3: chat with you, and last week you would have been

2038
01:40:36,692 --> 01:40:39,772
Speaker 3: a happy, happy man seeing some of those announcements to

2039
01:40:39,812 --> 01:40:41,452
Speaker 3: the changes of your beloved holiday act.

2040
01:40:43,692 --> 01:40:46,293
Speaker 18: I was pleasantly surprised.

2041
01:40:45,772 --> 01:40:49,932
Speaker 3: I have to say, yeah, and so initial thoughts about

2042
01:40:49,933 --> 01:40:51,492
Speaker 3: how that's going to work through. It just seems like

2043
01:40:51,532 --> 01:40:54,172
Speaker 3: it makes things more simplistic, right, Yeah.

2044
01:40:54,133 --> 01:40:57,213
Speaker 18: I guess one of the big difficulties that we've had

2045
01:40:57,532 --> 01:41:02,892
Speaker 18: is the current legislation is really out of date and

2046
01:41:03,293 --> 01:41:05,452
Speaker 18: it's not fit for purpose. When you look at how

2047
01:41:05,492 --> 01:41:10,452
Speaker 18: people work these days. It's kind of designed for when

2048
01:41:10,612 --> 01:41:13,932
Speaker 18: people used to work Monday to Friday, forty hours a week,

2049
01:41:15,692 --> 01:41:18,213
Speaker 18: and it's not really like that for a lot of

2050
01:41:18,213 --> 01:41:23,253
Speaker 18: people these days. It's much simpler than new legislation, and

2051
01:41:23,293 --> 01:41:27,533
Speaker 18: hopefully it'll be a lot easier for workers to understand

2052
01:41:27,572 --> 01:41:30,732
Speaker 18: what they're entitled to and for employers to actually make

2053
01:41:30,772 --> 01:41:33,052
Speaker 18: sure that workers get paid what they should.

2054
01:41:33,612 --> 01:41:37,572
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we'll just have to see how the detail

2055
01:41:37,612 --> 01:41:39,892
Speaker 3: comes out. Is that legislation has pushed through, Gareth, If

2056
01:41:39,893 --> 01:41:42,572
Speaker 3: you've got a question for Gareth, now's your opportunity. Oh,

2057
01:41:42,612 --> 01:41:45,293
Speaker 3: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

2058
01:41:45,372 --> 01:41:48,452
Speaker 3: The techs have already started coming through on nine to

2059
01:41:48,853 --> 01:41:51,652
Speaker 3: nine two. This is a good one. Gareth. Where do

2060
01:41:51,732 --> 01:41:54,772
Speaker 3: I stand when I see my manager's email that he

2061
01:41:54,893 --> 01:41:58,692
Speaker 3: deletes about me in a negative content? Do I approach

2062
01:41:58,732 --> 01:42:00,333
Speaker 3: him about it or just leave it?

2063
01:42:03,853 --> 01:42:09,492
Speaker 18: Well, that's a tricky one. So it's not clear who

2064
01:42:09,572 --> 01:42:14,372
Speaker 18: the email is from. If it's someone sending an email

2065
01:42:14,452 --> 01:42:17,892
Speaker 18: to the manager and the manager deletes it, well sounds

2066
01:42:17,933 --> 01:42:22,852
Speaker 18: like the manager's doing you are solid. If it's the

2067
01:42:22,893 --> 01:42:28,852
Speaker 18: manager that's actually sending negative stuff about this employee, raises

2068
01:42:28,893 --> 01:42:32,652
Speaker 18: the question how do you know about these emails? So

2069
01:42:32,692 --> 01:42:35,052
Speaker 18: I think we need a bit more detail.

2070
01:42:35,293 --> 01:42:35,532
Speaker 22: You know.

2071
01:42:36,013 --> 01:42:39,213
Speaker 18: I often say to people, just be careful what you

2072
01:42:39,253 --> 01:42:42,173
Speaker 18: wish for. Yes, you can raise it, but are you

2073
01:42:42,253 --> 01:42:44,612
Speaker 18: going to be making a bigger issue out of it?

2074
01:42:46,213 --> 01:42:50,973
Speaker 18: You know, if there's no negative consequences, then maybe just

2075
01:42:51,652 --> 01:42:52,253
Speaker 18: let it lie.

2076
01:42:53,532 --> 01:42:57,452
Speaker 2: Here's another interesting one that I'm just trying to unpack here.

2077
01:42:57,772 --> 01:43:01,172
Speaker 2: Unpack here as I read it. Gareth, can my employer

2078
01:43:01,213 --> 01:43:06,533
Speaker 2: promote her daughter over me? She is lazy, rude, frankly incompetent.

2079
01:43:09,772 --> 01:43:14,852
Speaker 2: I think I think it's in continent and.

2080
01:43:16,572 --> 01:43:17,772
Speaker 18: That's a whole different story.

2081
01:43:18,053 --> 01:43:21,612
Speaker 2: And we are going for a new, new position, we

2082
01:43:21,732 --> 01:43:25,973
Speaker 2: have the job description, it's just me and her. It

2083
01:43:26,093 --> 01:43:28,293
Speaker 2: doesn't seem right. Can I raise this as an issue?

2084
01:43:28,492 --> 01:43:30,973
Speaker 2: If she gets the position? I will know why.

2085
01:43:32,173 --> 01:43:34,692
Speaker 18: Yeah, you can definitely raise it as an issue, and

2086
01:43:34,692 --> 01:43:38,852
Speaker 18: and you could argue that you're being unfairly disadvantaged, which

2087
01:43:39,572 --> 01:43:42,972
Speaker 18: gives you the basis for a personal grievance. Of course,

2088
01:43:44,492 --> 01:43:46,372
Speaker 18: I'm not sure how successful you're going to be if

2089
01:43:46,372 --> 01:43:47,452
Speaker 18: you start bagging the.

2090
01:43:47,412 --> 01:43:49,612
Speaker 2: Boss's daughter to the boss.

2091
01:43:51,133 --> 01:43:54,492
Speaker 18: You know, the boss may not be a fan of

2092
01:43:54,532 --> 01:44:00,932
Speaker 18: their daughter, but quite possibly they are, so yeah, pick

2093
01:44:00,973 --> 01:44:05,972
Speaker 18: your battles. But you know, if if the boss's daughter

2094
01:44:06,293 --> 01:44:09,253
Speaker 18: genuinely is not very good at the job and not

2095
01:44:09,372 --> 01:44:12,852
Speaker 18: qualified for this position and this person misses out on

2096
01:44:12,893 --> 01:44:16,213
Speaker 18: it because it gets given to her, you do have

2097
01:44:16,293 --> 01:44:20,132
Speaker 18: the basis for acclaim. It may, however, be career limiting.

2098
01:44:20,692 --> 01:44:23,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what rights does the employer have to pick

2099
01:44:23,293 --> 01:44:25,812
Speaker 2: curver they want? If you can quantifiably show that you

2100
01:44:25,853 --> 01:44:29,372
Speaker 2: were better at the job, and you know, I've been

2101
01:44:29,412 --> 01:44:31,492
Speaker 2: around longer, whatever, all the things that you need to

2102
01:44:31,532 --> 01:44:34,972
Speaker 2: do the job, and someone else has been picked instead

2103
01:44:34,973 --> 01:44:38,812
Speaker 2: of you, have you got any recourse at all?

2104
01:44:38,893 --> 01:44:39,253
Speaker 5: You do?

2105
01:44:40,572 --> 01:44:45,372
Speaker 18: Fundamentally, an employer has to act fairly and reasonably. Now,

2106
01:44:45,853 --> 01:44:49,253
Speaker 18: you know, people often come and see me and say, well,

2107
01:44:49,372 --> 01:44:52,173
Speaker 18: you know, I should have got that position because I've

2108
01:44:52,213 --> 01:44:55,293
Speaker 18: got all the skills, But they don't always have the

2109
01:44:55,333 --> 01:44:58,852
Speaker 18: full picture. They don't have all of the facts, and

2110
01:44:58,933 --> 01:45:03,213
Speaker 18: so you know, I'm not saying the boss's daughter isn't lazy,

2111
01:45:03,452 --> 01:45:07,612
Speaker 18: isn't incompetent, But you need to be very careful before

2112
01:45:07,652 --> 01:45:09,852
Speaker 18: you start making allegations.

2113
01:45:09,173 --> 01:45:13,012
Speaker 2: Like that, you know, look for the adult and happy

2114
01:45:13,093 --> 01:45:18,253
Speaker 2: and then that's good luck. Karen, welcome to the show.

2115
01:45:18,612 --> 01:45:19,612
Speaker 2: Your question for Gareth?

2116
01:45:20,732 --> 01:45:24,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hi, I want for the Health Authority for a

2117
01:45:24,412 --> 01:45:26,452
Speaker 4: long time, you know, and they were always like having

2118
01:45:26,492 --> 01:45:29,053
Speaker 4: paid disputes in that and then they were waiting for

2119
01:45:29,293 --> 01:45:30,053
Speaker 4: like back pair.

2120
01:45:30,372 --> 01:45:30,532
Speaker 9: You know.

2121
01:45:31,213 --> 01:45:35,013
Speaker 4: Now, if you've left in the interim while you were

2122
01:45:35,053 --> 01:45:37,293
Speaker 4: waiting for that back pair to arrive, are you able

2123
01:45:37,293 --> 01:45:39,333
Speaker 4: to claim that after you've gone.

2124
01:45:40,452 --> 01:45:44,172
Speaker 18: Yeah. I don't know the facts of that particular situation,

2125
01:45:44,333 --> 01:45:48,532
Speaker 18: but the general rule is yes, if you are owed entitlements,

2126
01:45:49,973 --> 01:45:52,772
Speaker 18: they're still owing to you even if you leave the job.

2127
01:45:53,652 --> 01:45:58,053
Speaker 18: There may be situations, though, where there are payments that

2128
01:45:58,572 --> 01:46:03,293
Speaker 18: are only owing to people who are still employed. For example,

2129
01:46:03,853 --> 01:46:08,773
Speaker 18: bonus schemes often have terms that mean you're only if

2130
01:46:08,812 --> 01:46:11,492
Speaker 18: you're still there. But if this is a statutory or

2131
01:46:11,612 --> 01:46:17,053
Speaker 18: contractual entitlement, you should still be able to claim it

2132
01:46:17,133 --> 01:46:18,413
Speaker 18: and I would be getting.

2133
01:46:18,173 --> 01:46:20,652
Speaker 5: In touch, all right, thank you?

2134
01:46:20,853 --> 01:46:23,892
Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck with that one. Where's your accent from Karen,

2135
01:46:23,893 --> 01:46:27,933
Speaker 2: if you don't mind me asking what's your accent? Is

2136
01:46:27,973 --> 01:46:29,253
Speaker 2: it Welsh?

2137
01:46:29,293 --> 01:46:29,412
Speaker 20: Oh?

2138
01:46:29,492 --> 01:46:33,732
Speaker 4: Lankashire, Lankish? But I've been here half Scottish, half English,

2139
01:46:33,772 --> 01:46:35,412
Speaker 4: but I've been here about forty years.

2140
01:46:35,492 --> 01:46:38,293
Speaker 2: So if you if you're half what did your half

2141
01:46:38,293 --> 01:46:40,253
Speaker 2: Scottish halsh in clips half English?

2142
01:46:40,372 --> 01:46:42,452
Speaker 4: Yeah, my mother was Scottish, my father was.

2143
01:46:42,412 --> 01:46:44,452
Speaker 2: English, and then you mix up with a bit of

2144
01:46:44,532 --> 01:46:46,253
Speaker 2: Kiwi and this it sounds like a bit of Welsh.

2145
01:46:46,293 --> 01:46:50,692
Speaker 4: And I've got well somewhere else.

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Speaker 3: But of everything, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: It's beautiful whatever it is, it's a beautiful hybrid. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: you've got a lovely voice. So thank you for ringing,

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Speaker 2: and I hope Gareth help.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Karen. Right, if you had a

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01:47:00,692 --> 01:47:03,213
Speaker 3: question for GARETHO eighte hundred and eighty ten eighty is

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Speaker 3: the number of calli's standing by, It is eighteen to four.

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Speaker 1: Letty Adams taking your calls on eight hundred eighty eighty.

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Speaker 1: It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons news talks.

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Speaker 3: They'd be good afternoons you Employment law expert Gareth Abdnor

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Speaker 3: is with us. If you've got a question for him.

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Speaker 3: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty c number.

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Speaker 2: Call Chris your questions for Gareth please yep.

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Speaker 21: This want to ask when you give notice to your

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01:47:29,572 --> 01:47:34,852
Speaker 21: employer and your owde your one month Well, there was

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01:47:34,893 --> 01:47:38,932
Speaker 21: one month's notice and you're owed a month's notice.

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Speaker 22: Quus the.

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Speaker 21: Leave and also final pay if they paid one part

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01:47:46,572 --> 01:47:49,412
Speaker 21: of it but you're wet paid the rest, can they

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01:47:49,492 --> 01:47:54,572
Speaker 21: text you a second and a third time considering they

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01:47:54,612 --> 01:47:57,372
Speaker 21: should have done it in one go, or do they

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01:47:57,412 --> 01:48:00,133
Speaker 21: have to text it a second and third time because

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Speaker 21: I I kind of find it's double dipping.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, Chris, that's a strange situation. It doesn't matter if

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01:48:11,532 --> 01:48:15,933
Speaker 18: they pay it and one, two or three different amounts.

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01:48:17,612 --> 01:48:23,172
Speaker 18: The tax should be on the amount that you're paid.

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01:48:23,853 --> 01:48:28,652
Speaker 18: They can't. They can't double tax you. What often happens, though,

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01:48:29,013 --> 01:48:34,253
Speaker 18: is that people are surprised when their final pay has

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Speaker 18: more tax than expected. Take an offer, and that's and

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01:48:39,412 --> 01:48:45,653
Speaker 18: that's because it's generally a much larger amount that generally

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01:48:45,692 --> 01:48:48,812
Speaker 18: gets washed up at the end of the tax year. Though,

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Speaker 18: So if you have been if you have been taxed

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Speaker 18: more than you expected, the first thing would be contact

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01:48:57,692 --> 01:49:00,093
Speaker 18: your employer and ask them to explain it to you.

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01:49:00,173 --> 01:49:04,373
Speaker 18: They should be able to do that, and then definitely

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01:49:04,452 --> 01:49:06,772
Speaker 18: make sure you do a tax return at the end

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01:49:06,812 --> 01:49:10,492
Speaker 18: of that financial year, okay, and it should get washed up.

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01:49:11,572 --> 01:49:18,132
Speaker 21: Does that include student loan deductions and in child support

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Speaker 21: and key we Saver because they took that out over

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01:49:22,692 --> 01:49:24,532
Speaker 21: They paid me one lot and then they paid me

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01:49:24,572 --> 01:49:27,372
Speaker 21: another and I had deductions for all those other things.

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01:49:27,853 --> 01:49:31,412
Speaker 21: Again for the student loan and key we Save it

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01:49:31,492 --> 01:49:35,892
Speaker 21: when it was calculable at the total amount payable, but

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01:49:35,973 --> 01:49:39,412
Speaker 21: they paid it out and split payments, so I'll text more.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah, Chris, I'm no tax expert. That's definitely something well.

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01:49:45,293 --> 01:49:47,333
Speaker 18: I don't want to steer you wrong, but I would

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01:49:47,333 --> 01:49:50,852
Speaker 18: contact your employer, ask them to confirm it and explain

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01:49:51,253 --> 01:49:54,572
Speaker 18: the deductions that they've made because a lot of those

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01:49:54,612 --> 01:49:59,093
Speaker 18: deductions are compulsory deductions. They need to be they need

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01:49:59,133 --> 01:50:02,252
Speaker 18: to be made. But if you're unsure, contact your employer.

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01:50:02,372 --> 01:50:05,773
Speaker 18: If you're still not happy, you can contact the Labor Inspectorate.

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Speaker 18: But I would be very surprised if you were being

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01:50:11,612 --> 01:50:15,093
Speaker 18: double or triple text. Sorry right, good luck sorting that

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Speaker 18: one out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the best press, Thank you mate, Thanks thanksgiving us

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Speaker 3: a buzz Ron, how are you hello?

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Speaker 10: Hello?

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Speaker 6: I was I'd like to ask if it is an

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01:50:27,492 --> 01:50:31,012
Speaker 6: employer allowed to hire somebody into a position which has

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01:50:31,053 --> 01:50:35,452
Speaker 6: no work. I was hired into a position which had

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01:50:35,893 --> 01:50:40,492
Speaker 6: zero work, or so little work. You could go for

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01:50:40,732 --> 01:50:45,293
Speaker 6: weeks and weeks sitting doing nothing, and the one little

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01:50:45,372 --> 01:50:46,372
Speaker 6: job would come along.

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01:50:47,133 --> 01:50:49,733
Speaker 13: Now the supervisor would.

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01:50:49,452 --> 01:50:52,293
Speaker 6: Come around and say what are you doing this week?

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01:50:52,293 --> 01:50:55,012
Speaker 6: And I'd say same as last week. Nothing, And you'd go, oh,

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01:50:55,293 --> 01:50:58,213
Speaker 6: that's because oh I've got away and see if I

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01:50:58,213 --> 01:51:00,652
Speaker 6: can think of what you should be doing. And he'd

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01:51:00,652 --> 01:51:02,852
Speaker 6: come back with nothing, And he'd come back a couple

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01:51:02,853 --> 01:51:05,972
Speaker 6: of days later and say, oh, nothing, I can't think

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01:51:06,013 --> 01:51:09,133
Speaker 6: of anything. And then he'd come back or two later

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01:51:09,213 --> 01:51:11,452
Speaker 6: with a drawing of something, and they'd go, oh, this

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01:51:11,532 --> 01:51:14,492
Speaker 6: must be a real job, by golly, And I'd make

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01:51:14,532 --> 01:51:18,852
Speaker 6: the thing up and take it and go around with

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01:51:18,893 --> 01:51:22,093
Speaker 6: the results of the thing to the guy that has

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01:51:22,372 --> 01:51:26,372
Speaker 6: wanted as on a piece of paper, and he would

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01:51:26,372 --> 01:51:30,333
Speaker 6: say what job, And I'd say, uh, yeah, right, this

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01:51:30,452 --> 01:51:33,972
Speaker 6: is just another one of those contrave built up little jobs.

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01:51:34,492 --> 01:51:36,932
Speaker 6: Is an employer allowed to hire somebody into that sort

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01:51:36,933 --> 01:51:37,573
Speaker 6: of situation?

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01:51:38,652 --> 01:51:38,892
Speaker 12: Wow?

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Speaker 18: Ron, that it's just a crazy situation. I can honestly say,

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01:51:43,412 --> 01:51:45,133
Speaker 18: I've never heard of something like that.

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01:51:45,253 --> 01:51:46,772
Speaker 2: That's something if you've never heard of it, Garth.

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01:51:47,933 --> 01:51:51,852
Speaker 18: Yes, an employer can hire someone and pay them money

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01:51:51,893 --> 01:51:56,333
Speaker 18: to do nothing. I've never heard of a worker complaining

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01:51:56,372 --> 01:52:02,572
Speaker 18: about that, though, other than maybe getting bored. Sounds to

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01:52:02,612 --> 01:52:05,412
Speaker 18: me that perhaps the employer is not a very good

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01:52:05,452 --> 01:52:08,692
Speaker 18: business person though, if there's no work for you to do.

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01:52:10,213 --> 01:52:13,692
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's now.

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01:52:13,853 --> 01:52:15,772
Speaker 17: It was born out, it was sold out, it was

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01:52:15,812 --> 01:52:16,293
Speaker 17: sold out.

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01:52:16,812 --> 01:52:22,013
Speaker 18: It's well, I'm I'm I'm not surprised if people are

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01:52:22,053 --> 01:52:24,012
Speaker 18: being employed to sit around doing nothing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just take the money, take the money, Ron, and

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01:52:27,133 --> 01:52:28,293
Speaker 3: learn an instrumental or something.

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01:52:28,853 --> 01:52:29,612
Speaker 2: Get a side hauzzle.

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01:52:29,652 --> 01:52:33,213
Speaker 3: Well you're being paid, yeah, take advantage. Yeah, all the

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01:52:33,253 --> 01:52:35,452
Speaker 3: beast with that, Ron, Thank you very much. A couple

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01:52:35,452 --> 01:52:36,452
Speaker 3: of texts here.

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Speaker 2: Home mate, How does cellary position? No no no no,

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01:52:41,412 --> 01:52:46,412
Speaker 2: no no no no, not that one. Intrigued No no, no, no,

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01:52:46,412 --> 01:52:48,852
Speaker 2: no no it was it was. There's so many things

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01:52:48,853 --> 01:52:53,532
Speaker 2: coming through on the subject that you covered earlier in

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Speaker 2: the show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:52:54,412 --> 01:52:56,492
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not ready for that sort of trauma yet.

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01:52:56,893 --> 01:52:58,173
Speaker 3: You know that will come out in the wash.

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01:52:58,532 --> 01:53:02,532
Speaker 2: The inevitable questions question.

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Speaker 3: This one is a good one, though it is high

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01:53:06,812 --> 01:53:09,772
Speaker 3: If you were on maternity leave, can your employer change

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01:53:09,772 --> 01:53:12,013
Speaker 3: the role you were working in when you were due

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01:53:12,133 --> 01:53:17,093
Speaker 3: back to work from Tracy.

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01:53:15,572 --> 01:53:19,532
Speaker 18: Yeah, this is a really tricky situation that people often

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01:53:19,933 --> 01:53:25,972
Speaker 18: often misunderstand. So while you're on parental leave, there are

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01:53:26,053 --> 01:53:30,973
Speaker 18: protections that protect your role. However, one of the exceptions

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01:53:31,013 --> 01:53:35,532
Speaker 18: to that is if there is a genuine restructure, and

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01:53:35,612 --> 01:53:40,932
Speaker 18: so it is possible that you could potentially have your

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01:53:41,013 --> 01:53:45,453
Speaker 18: position get disestablished and you could potentially be made redundant

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01:53:45,492 --> 01:53:51,532
Speaker 18: while you're on parental leave. The processes are pretty particular

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01:53:51,652 --> 01:53:55,412
Speaker 18: that the employer has to follow, and there is high

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01:53:55,532 --> 01:54:00,053
Speaker 18: risk to an employer because most people in that situation

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01:54:00,133 --> 01:54:03,093
Speaker 18: will go, well, it's because I'm on parental leave, isn't it.

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01:54:04,652 --> 01:54:10,293
Speaker 18: So technically yes, it is possible, but the employer has

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01:54:10,333 --> 01:54:12,453
Speaker 18: to go through a very careful process.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, And this one get a Gareth. How

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01:54:17,572 --> 01:54:21,453
Speaker 3: soon can an employer hire new people after having recently

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01:54:21,853 --> 01:54:23,772
Speaker 3: made workers redundant from Paul.

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01:54:24,973 --> 01:54:30,093
Speaker 18: Well, there's no fixed rule to that, of course. I

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01:54:30,133 --> 01:54:33,293
Speaker 18: guess it would be quite risky for an employer to

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01:54:33,772 --> 01:54:37,453
Speaker 18: hire someone for the same role that they've disestablished within

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01:54:37,573 --> 01:54:42,373
Speaker 18: ninety days, because that's the timeframe that those redundant workers

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01:54:42,413 --> 01:54:43,932
Speaker 18: have to raise a personal grievance.

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01:54:46,053 --> 01:54:46,533
Speaker 2: That's there.

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01:54:46,853 --> 01:54:50,173
Speaker 18: You know, situations do change, and I have dealt with

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01:54:50,733 --> 01:54:55,173
Speaker 18: employers who have had to make workers redundant and then

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01:54:56,093 --> 01:54:59,333
Speaker 18: they've got a new contract and they've had to hire

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01:55:00,213 --> 01:55:03,653
Speaker 18: more staff. So it's difficult to know without having the

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01:55:03,653 --> 01:55:06,093
Speaker 18: full picture. But there's there's no fixed role.

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01:55:06,293 --> 01:55:09,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good, Gareth, always fantas test to have you on.

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01:55:09,293 --> 01:55:11,213
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. We will catch you back here

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01:55:11,373 --> 01:55:12,293
Speaker 3: in about a month's time.

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01:55:12,853 --> 01:55:13,333
Speaker 2: Sounds good.

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01:55:13,373 --> 01:55:13,852
Speaker 18: Thanks Chris.

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01:55:13,973 --> 01:55:17,213
Speaker 3: That is Gareth Abdenall Employment. We place an information expert.

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01:55:17,293 --> 01:55:20,733
Speaker 3: He is the director of Abdenall Employment Law. If you

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01:55:20,772 --> 01:55:23,772
Speaker 3: want to find out more about him or get in touch,

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01:55:23,893 --> 01:55:27,493
Speaker 3: his website is Abdenorlaw dot en z. It is eight

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Speaker 3: minutes to four The.

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Speaker 1: Big stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything

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Speaker 1: in between.

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Speaker 5: Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons Used.

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Speaker 3: Talks EDB, News Talks EDB. It is five to four.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Thank yous so much for listening everyone. It's been

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01:55:43,133 --> 01:55:46,253
Speaker 2: a real roller coaster of a show. Super emotional with

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01:55:46,333 --> 01:55:49,973
Speaker 2: the passing of Nigel latter a great chat with his

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Speaker 2: very good friend Bridget Look rip to that great human Nigel.

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01:55:55,053 --> 01:55:57,173
Speaker 2: I'm enjoying his new book. Actually that came out on

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Speaker 2: the on the day of his passing, making it all

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Speaker 2: the more poignant. Poignant liver Lessons on Living. It's called

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Speaker 2: and you can get it anywhere you get your books.

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Speaker 2: So that was a emotional Then things got pretty sixy

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01:56:10,653 --> 01:56:12,293
Speaker 2: at the end with the p d A chat and

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01:56:12,493 --> 01:56:17,413
Speaker 2: some employment law which was also pretty pretty sexy. All

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01:56:17,453 --> 01:56:20,413
Speaker 2: that'll be available on podcasts in about an hour. My

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Speaker 2: good buddy at the powerful Heather to c Ellen is

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Speaker 2: up next. But right now, Tyler, my good friend, why

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Speaker 2: am I playing the songs my sex?

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01:56:29,013 --> 01:56:31,013
Speaker 3: It's is called computer games that Navors song.

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01:56:31,213 --> 01:56:31,852
Speaker 2: That's right.

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01:56:32,333 --> 01:56:34,613
Speaker 3: Yes, that had a great chat about the gaming industry.

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01:56:34,853 --> 01:56:37,772
Speaker 2: Yes to those smart Kiwi programmers taking it to the world,

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01:56:37,973 --> 01:56:40,733
Speaker 2: bringing in hundreds of millions of dollars with their compup

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Speaker 2: p P p PP compwter games. All right, tomorrow afternoon,

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Speaker 2: we'll be back until then, give them a taste of

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Speaker 2: Kiwi and see you tomorrow. All right, then, you seem.

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Speaker 5: Busy Matt Heath and Tyler Adams.

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