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Speaker 1: It's nineteen away from six.

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Speaker 2: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Real Team, the

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Speaker 1: Huddle with us this evening. Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union and

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Speaker 1: Jack Tame, host of Saturday Mornings and Q and a

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Speaker 1: Happy new Year lads, Happy Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Are you too?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to miss Judith children, are you yeah?

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Speaker 3: I think the National Party was JC a huge amount

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Speaker 3: of gratitude for picking up the proverbial and holding herself

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Speaker 3: her head up high for what was always going to

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Speaker 3: be an absolute thrashing. And I think that she sticked

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Speaker 3: round to both recover her reputation do some interesting work.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: There's not no secret that sheps Be loves space, which

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Speaker 3: is just a stupid portfolio to have. Frankly, we've got

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Speaker 3: enough of them. We've only got one satellite which we lost.

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Speaker 3: Why are we still and they haven't there enough? What

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Speaker 3: do he does? Spaceman is still look for it? But no,

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Speaker 3: I mean she still clearly has another career in her

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Speaker 3: and leads with both reputation and time left. And that's

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Speaker 3: that's good, you know, ultimately that is a successful parliamentary career.

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Speaker 3: I'm pretty encouraged that she's going to the Law Commission

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Speaker 3: because the Law Commission was used through the eighties and

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Speaker 3: nineties for you know, pointy headed reform. And one of

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Speaker 3: the things that this government has struggled with is the

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Speaker 3: caliber of some of the government departments. And this is

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Speaker 3: no secret. Is you know, not as sharp as it

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Speaker 3: used to be. And the Law Commission, frankly is underpowered.

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Speaker 3: And I suspect that this is, you know, this is

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Speaker 3: the government lining up for another term to be able

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Speaker 3: to give complex problems and return the Law Commission to

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Speaker 3: a widely respected institution.

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Speaker 1: And she's a smart woman, She'll be able to deal

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Speaker 1: with it.

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Speaker 4: Jack.

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Speaker 1: I spent a bit of time thinking to asking myself

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Speaker 1: today what her greatest skill was. I reckon. It was

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Speaker 1: the master. She mastered the comeback, don't you think.

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Speaker 4: I reckon, she mastered the photowhop. I reckon. I reckon

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Speaker 4: she was a true master of the photo op. In fact,

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Speaker 4: I was casting my mind back to my very first

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Speaker 4: interview with JUDISTH. Collins today. It was two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 4: March two thousand and nine, and Judish cons had just

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Speaker 4: she had.

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Speaker 1: Just said, he said it just so you wouldn't hear it. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: carry on.

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Speaker 4: She had just introduced her car crushing legislation and I

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Speaker 4: was a fresh paced, keen reporter in christ which of

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Speaker 4: course had lots of boy racers at the time, and

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Speaker 4: so Judith Collins went along to a scrap yard and

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Speaker 4: did a photo shoot where she posed next to a

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Speaker 4: car being crushed, and always thought, Ah, there's a politician

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Speaker 4: who appreciates the value of some good pictures for the

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Speaker 4: TV or for the newspaper. And there are few more

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Speaker 4: I think we could add to that over the years.

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Speaker 4: But yes, I think master of the photo shoot, master

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Speaker 4: of the comeback, and actually, regardless of people's political position,

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Speaker 4: I think someone who is regarded as a committed, extremely

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Speaker 3: I mean I judge politicians very much on how they

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Speaker 3: treat their staff, and in fact, you have treated her

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Speaker 3: stuff so well. They used the joke in the John

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Speaker 3: Key administration in that beehive that they had what's the

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Speaker 3: Stockholm syndrome? But I mean they propose. There's other senior

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Speaker 3: ministers that I judge harshly because they treat their staff

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Speaker 3: terribly and they're not loyal. Ye, that's good.

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Speaker 1: And she seems to be reasonably loyal to John Key,

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Speaker 1: who punted her out for dirty politics and brought her back,

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Speaker 1: and she's never really been able to clear the record.

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Speaker 3: The obvious implications though, is that for the first time

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Speaker 3: it opens up a spot for National to bring in

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Speaker 3: some talent. There have been some very talented people sniffing

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Speaker 3: around that are the Nats for which they simply can't

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Speaker 3: offer a seat nor a list position. This opens that up.

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Speaker 3: I've already had spoken to three people today that are

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Speaker 3: that are sniffing around that that seat. I'm not going

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Speaker 3: to say and and Daniel Newman, who's the other name

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Speaker 3: floating around and he won't take my call, so obviously

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Speaker 3: he doesn't want to deny or get around. That's the

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Speaker 3: other person. But of course, the other problem though it

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Speaker 3: that this administration or Parliament in general at the moment

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Speaker 3: is very short on experience.

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Speaker 1: Lawyers a very good point. Okay, we'll take a break,

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Speaker 1: come back shortly.

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Speaker 2: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty and then

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Speaker 1: All right, back with the huddle, Jack Tame Jordan Williams

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Speaker 1: now Jack. Why looking at the pole that was leaked today,

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Speaker 1: the taxpas union poll, Why do people dislike Luxeon so much?

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Speaker 4: It's a funny one, isn't it, Because he certainly had

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Speaker 4: in there long enough. I mean I just kind of

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Speaker 4: put my finger in the air and perceive it as

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Speaker 4: being a kind of authenticity gap and authenticity the word

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Speaker 4: they use in media broadcasting. They use it in politics

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Speaker 4: as well, but call it charisma, call it authenticity. For

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Speaker 4: some reason, I just think voters don't see Christopher Luxon

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Speaker 4: as being authentic and the same way that they feel

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Speaker 4: other leaders in the past have been. And you know,

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Speaker 4: I think when he's compared as part of this government

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Speaker 4: I think there's reason that the lights of New Zealand

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Speaker 4: pretty tricky for him.

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Speaker 1: What do you reckon, Jordan?

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Speaker 2: Did you leak the poll? Jeorban?

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Speaker 3: I woke up. I work out this morning to my

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Speaker 3: head of comms, panicked about this bloody story and and

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Speaker 3: the with the dom. Now whatever they calls out the post,

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Speaker 3: it should be the realm anyway. And now I end

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Speaker 3: the day having to having to comment on a poll

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Speaker 3: that wasn't supposed to be leaked. I mean, we have

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Speaker 3: that once a year, one of these things. And ironically

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Speaker 3: both of you know because you've called and asked him

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Speaker 3: a copy of our that the actual full polling report,

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Speaker 3: and I said, I don't give it to you, but

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Speaker 3: we have it goes to our six hundred largest owners,

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Speaker 3: So just.

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Speaker 1: Find one of them. Okay, So why do people dislike

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Speaker 1: Chris lux and so much? Because can I be honest?

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Speaker 1: Like I looked at it and I thought, at best,

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Speaker 1: I'm just getting a bit of a meth about it,

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Speaker 1: like he gets. He gets a meh from me, but

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Speaker 4: Look across the whole economy was crushing it. It's the

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Speaker 4: economy was absolutely crushing it.

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Speaker 3: Right now, that's right, I'm wrong. That isn't us, No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: it's across the whole Western world. The leaders are really

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Speaker 3: you're in a world now where the zeitgeist, as we're

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Speaker 3: talking about it off ye's, you know, stand for something

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Speaker 3: and whereas national have a hangover, and particularly it's affected

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Speaker 3: and Luxon from a corporate world where we don't really

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Speaker 3: stand for something, which wishy washy, and people see straight

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Speaker 4: Look at Mark Kenney, look at Mark Kearney having having

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Speaker 3: Go, he's read the zone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 1: Popularity Yeah, okay, so can he do you think Jordans

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Speaker 3: It in the He does actually do it often when

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Speaker 3: the PM comes back from overseas and it's passionate about

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Speaker 3: we saw it on education, he said, I see it

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Speaker 3: it's finally right, we've.

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Speaker 1: Got someone we can he knows where he stands on it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. And you're not going to get pushed over

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Speaker 3: the last week on the on the climate change stuff.

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Speaker 3: Causing a landslip with chopped down the trees. I mean

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Speaker 3: landslips in New Zealand it's a nature of a young

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Speaker 3: geography and all of that. Just look, this is my theory.

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Speaker 3: We've not done. You know, the NATS and Labor actually

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Speaker 3: I know, are doing huge amount of focus group stuff

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Speaker 3: now trying to find the vulnerabilities on the other side

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Speaker 3: and what you know, features, benefits, meanings are for the

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Speaker 3: product they are selling. That is what not what our

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Speaker 3: pole looks for. It is that it is the quantitative

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Speaker 3: data for which obviously this is the more detailed, granular

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Speaker 1: Can he rescue it an election year?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Of course? I mean the other side. I mean, Chris

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Speaker 3: Sipkins isn't much better. You know, he's had a bad

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Speaker 3: the less people like him.

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Speaker 1: If they are each other's greatest assets. Do you think, Jack,

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Speaker 1: that Luxan can can rescue it in election?

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Speaker 4: You yeah, I do. He actually campaigned extremely well two

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Speaker 4: and a half years ago, so let us not forget that.

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Speaker 4: But that being said, I will you know, I feel

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Speaker 4: much more charismatic leader has probably passed like I say,

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Speaker 4: it's not like we don't know the guy Yere. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No one like Jimboljo he went on to win.

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Speaker 3: No One particularly loved Helen Clark.

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Speaker 1: Yeah at the start, but then we started liking her

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Speaker 1: because and we knew she she didn't stand for stuff

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Speaker 1: good to see well, good to see you, Jordan, good

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Speaker 1: to talk to you, Jack. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: your time talking in. So that's Jordan and Jack our

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