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Speaker 2: Hello, your Grant, New Zealisen.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Mattin Tyler Full Show Podcast number two oh

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Speaker 3: three for the eleventh of September twenty twenty five. This

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Speaker 3: is the first eleventh of September nine to eleven that

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Speaker 3: I haven't thought about nine to eleven, ho Lee. I

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Speaker 3: always wondered how long it would be before. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's nearly a quarter century, isn't it twenty four years?

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Speaker 2: But it never popped up.

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Speaker 3: And of course it's not that date in the States.

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Speaker 2: It rose slight day. It was kind of it was

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Speaker 2: kind of the tenth of September here that it happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but you're right, it is crazy. It didn't even dawn

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Speaker 2: on me that today was September eleventh, tenth.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but anyway, we haven't mentioned that until now, but

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Speaker 3: a fantastic show. We go deep into the Charlie Kirks situation,

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Speaker 3: the assassination and just what that means for political debate

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Speaker 3: in New Zealand. Are we heading down that violent path

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Speaker 3: that the United States seems to have gone?

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Speaker 2: And that was that was.

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Speaker 3: That was a big, big, big, big, quite full on conversation.

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Speaker 3: But I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it and heated opinions from

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Speaker 3: both sides. And then we went into the details of

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Speaker 3: the affair that Tyler's running.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting, So listen out for that download, subscribe

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Speaker 2: and give us a review. And you've got to listen

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Speaker 2: to find out whether that is.

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Speaker 4: True or not.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, you seem busy, enjoy the pod. Love you big.

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Speaker 1: Stories, the big issues, the big trends and everything in between.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heath and Taylor Adams Afternoons News.

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Speaker 2: Talk said me, very good afternoon. Do you welcome into

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Speaker 2: Thursday show? Really good to have your company is always

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Speaker 2: hope you're having a good Thursday week. Ive you're listening

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Speaker 2: in this country, Get a Matt, get a Tyler, good

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Speaker 2: a your great New Zealanders. We've got a very very.

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Speaker 3: Interesting three hours of radio planned. I believe there's some

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Speaker 3: tricky little topics in there there.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely are you lucky, lucky listeners. Now I got a

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Speaker 2: question for you, Matt and our listeners. As you know,

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Speaker 2: we're moving out of our rental very soon in Mount

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Speaker 2: Wellington and Auckland and hitting to Mount Albert. But I'm

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Speaker 2: going to do something with the carpets, right because we've

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Speaker 2: got a dog and the carpets need a bit of

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Speaker 2: right thing for the landlord. So I was looking to

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Speaker 2: go get a rug doctor. But then so many people.

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Speaker 2: As soon as I said I'm going to get a

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Speaker 2: and said, don't bother the crap. They don't do anything,

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Speaker 2: they don't clean the carpet, don't waste your money, just

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Speaker 2: get a pro in So again, you know, I don't

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Speaker 2: like to spin more than I have to.

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Speaker 3: Well, how did you use your carpet, because I've had

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Speaker 3: a lot of success with the rug doctor in the past.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well this is good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not sure it's not industrial level because

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Speaker 3: magnitudes up on a vacuum cleaner. But I've had some

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Speaker 3: you advice absolute pegs with really really disgusting carpet.

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Speaker 2: Highly likely. Highly likely. Thinking about the people who said that.

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Speaker 3: They smoke inside and they've burnt holes in it, or

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Speaker 3: they run livestock inside, then.

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Speaker 2: Maybe not nothing will help. But not a rug doctor.

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Speaker 3: Nothing every day living in your house, I think the

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Speaker 2: Thank you. That's what I needed to hear. How fialthy

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Speaker 2: is your dog? She's pretty filthy, actually right, pretty filthy.

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Speaker 2: She loves to dig and it just treaks that stuff inside.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not going to repair holes in the carpet

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Speaker 2: A hole in the carpet. But no, oh, and you're

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's technically a doctor. I don't

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Speaker 2: Wrong in my life. Trustworthy, seems trustworthy. Right on to

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Speaker 2: today's show, and it is a doozy for you after

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Speaker 2: three o'clock, So this is going to be a fascinating chat.

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Speaker 2: Doctor John Deloney, he was he is a renowned Jewish

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Speaker 2: Why But they were talking about how to build a

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Speaker 2: the big question. Should your partner know all of your passwords?

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Speaker 5: If you are married, your spouse should have all of

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Speaker 5: the codes to your phones, email accounts, and social media accounts,

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Speaker 5: and you should have that as period. If your spouse

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Speaker 5: doesn't trustworthy, are safe? You need to head directly into

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Speaker 5: this challenge asap. You're worthy of safety and peace. If

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Speaker 5: you're hiding things from your spouse, Let tod be your

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Speaker 2: If people respond to that, well, let's go not Well, dude,

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Speaker 2: that's what a lot of people would be fairing listening

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Speaker 2: to that question. Would you be willing to open it

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Speaker 3: Just go through every three and every social media chat,

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Speaker 3: all your history, all your passwords, Just go for it.

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Speaker 3: Mine as yours. My digital life is your digital life.

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Speaker 3: And if not, why not? What are you trying to hide?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's going to be great after three o'clock, After

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Speaker 2: two o'clock, it has three children for at least thirty years,

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Speaker 2: but now the iconic flying fox at Kaitawa Reserve. It's

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Speaker 3: Flying foxes are the absolute best of us when they

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Speaker 2: Yep, good moment for a father or a mother.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, this carstrading of flying foxes is not on. And

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Speaker 3: if you're going to put up a flying fox and

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Speaker 3: it's just a pathetic slow snail trail.

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Speaker 2: For want of a better word, I know where you're

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Speaker 3: By the way, it's insulting the state of flying foxes.

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Speaker 3: I went i one in Grayland Park the other day

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Speaker 2: On as long as you've got at least one tire

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, it's the warsification and what happens when we

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Speaker 2: Looking forward to that after two o'clock. But right now,

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Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk. It has reignited fairst debate over free

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Speaker 2: So if you haven't heard the name Charlie Kirk before,

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Speaker 2: He was an American conservative commentator, a public debater. He

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Speaker 2: He was just thirty one years old. A father of two,

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Speaker 2: He was known for promoting conservative values, frequently appearing on

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Speaker 3: Yes, so, I mean the discussion on this that we

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Speaker 3: want to have eight hundred and eighty ten eighty it

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Speaker 3: He personified the spirit of debate debate.

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Speaker 2: In the United States of America.

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Speaker 3: You would argue and that he turned up on campuses

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Speaker 3: but is there a deeper problem here? Are we losing

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Speaker 3: if you think of what this guy believed in, he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, love to hear from you on this. One oh eight,

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Speaker 2: It is thirteen past one. You're listening to Matt and

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Speaker 2: Tyler back very surely.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends and

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Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams Afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 2: They'd be very good. Afternoon sheet is sixteen past one.

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Speaker 2: So conservative activist Charlie Kok has been killed after being

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Speaker 2: shot at a campus of in Utah in the United States.

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Speaker 2: So suspect is still at large following the shooting and

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Speaker 2: Ira Spitzer from feature news story. Ira. Very good afternoon

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Speaker 2: to you.

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Speaker 6: Good affening to you now.

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Speaker 3: For those in New Zealand who don't know Charlie Kirk,

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Speaker 3: who was he and how important a figure was he

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Speaker 7: So Charlie Kirk, who was thirty one years old when

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Speaker 7: he was shot and killed at this college campus in Utah,

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Speaker 7: was a very influential conservative influencer, conservative figure, a close

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Speaker 7: key to helping Donald Trump secure votes from youth voters,

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Speaker 7: He had a massive following on social media, with more

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Speaker 3: So walk US through what we know so far about

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Speaker 7: Well, there's been widespread condemnation of this murder from across

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Speaker 3: Now, Now, what if people think of his beliefs. There's

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Speaker 7: Well, in many ways, it seems probable that he could

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Speaker 7: an uncertain time right now. There's been so much political

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Speaker 2: Has he been discussed in r of this some members

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Speaker 7: Well, there have definitely been calls for lawmakers and for

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Unfortunately, it's hard for me to imagine that this

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Speaker 7: that's not really what the kind of own of the

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Speaker 2: Irah, really appreciate your time this afternoon. It's going to

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Speaker 2: be a long few days for you and other reporters

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Speaker 2: and media this, so I really appreciate it. Thank you

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Speaker 2: data as you always. Correspondent Ara Spitzer from Feachit News

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Speaker 9: A bit of banks growing around the government's proposal for

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Speaker 9: new shoplifting laws that you change would ship the burden

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Speaker 10: It's more akin to a traffic against. You're speeding, you

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Speaker 10: got a reasonable excuse, you be the fine. The whole

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Speaker 10: which is to go through the whole court process.

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Speaker 2: To find a reasonable excuse. Well, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It is twenty nine to two, but he says.

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Speaker 3: That was beautifully said. Guys, I'm actually really upset about

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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk's assassination. I didn't agree with a lot of

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Speaker 3: his conservative views, but I respected how he was always

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Speaker 3: so polite in his debates with others. If we lose

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Speaker 3: the ability to debate respectfully, especially with those we disagree with,

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Speaker 3: then that's a tragedy as well. He said, I may

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great text, VICKI thank you very much. One hundred

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Speaker 3: Ryan says rop Charlie Kirk feel for his wife and kids.

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Speaker 3: Me and the flatmate always thought he would be a

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Speaker 2: That very fact that he wrote prove me wrong when

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Speaker 2: come with a better argument, and let's have some discussion

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Speaker 2: about it. But what do you say. The death of

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk in the US has reignited debates are on

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Speaker 2: free speech and what does that mean here in New

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Speaker 2: in a respectful way. Love to hear your thoughts. Headlines

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Speaker 2: with Jody on its way. Oh one hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: teen eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 11: Jews talks that'd be headlines with Blue bubble Taxis It's

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Speaker 11: no trouble with the blue bubble. The suspect is still

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Speaker 11: at large following the shooting and killing of conservative activist

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Speaker 11: Charlie Kirk. The Donald Trump al I was shot during

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Speaker 11: died in hospital. Emergency services are attending a two vehicle

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Speaker 11: crash just north of Barmerston North and say there are

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Speaker 11: more information after a dusky dolphin was found by a

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Speaker 11: Around a third of New Zealand's population will identify with

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Speaker 11: Asian ethnicities by twenty forty eight, according to latest projections

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Speaker 11: from Stats and Z. A night at the Rugby how

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Speaker 11: and Tyler Adams.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Journey to the assassination of Charlie

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Speaker 2: Kirk and the US has reignited a debate around free speech,

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Speaker 2: so we want to bring it back here to New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Of course, have Kiwis forgotten how to disagree respectfully love

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Speaker 2: your views on them. So one hundred and eighteen eighty.

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Speaker 3: The six is Charlie Kirk would make me so angry

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Speaker 3: watching his videos. I disagree with everything he believes in.

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Speaker 3: But he was a young father of two and only

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Speaker 3: thirty years old. The video online of his daughter yelling

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Speaker 3: daddy and running up to him at a TV appearance,

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Speaker 3: it made me cry. He didn't deserve this, no matter

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Speaker 3: what he believes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, nicely, said Colleen, how are you.

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Speaker 12: Hello, I'm good. I'm not a fan of Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 12: at all. I did not like his political views. He

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Speaker 12: had some horrible opinions. I don't agree that he should

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Speaker 12: have been assassinated, but he was putting his toes in

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Speaker 12: shark infested waters, and I think in America that's a

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Speaker 12: very dangerous thing to do. He is on record as

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Speaker 12: saying that deaths and school shootings are the price you

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Speaker 12: pay for his right to bear arms under the Second Amendment.

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Speaker 3: So you know, well, if you watch that, he goes

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Speaker 3: on and says and how horrible and tragic that that is.

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Speaker 3: So you know there's more to that quote than that,

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Speaker 3: and he was quite emotional when he said it.

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Speaker 12: There's a fair bit of irony though that he was

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Speaker 12: so pro Second Amendment rights and in the end it's

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Speaker 12: it's stunnament.

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Speaker 3: But how are those so? How are those two things related?

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Speaker 8: So?

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was Second Amendment rights, but you know,

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Speaker 3: he wasn't pro violence, if you see.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying.

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Speaker 12: He was pro gun.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but being pro gun isn't necessarily being pro violence,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 12: No, Well, the thing is, if the guns were more

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Speaker 12: strictly controlled in America, there would be few and nutty shooters,

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Speaker 12: wouldn't they really, because they wouldn't be able to access

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Speaker 12: the guns so easily.

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Speaker 3: Now, Colin, Colin, you said before that he swum in

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Speaker 3: shark infested waters. Do you do you think that that

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Speaker 3: people that say things that are controversial and disagreed with

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Speaker 3: by a lot of people that they should be quiet

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Speaker 3: because of fears of.

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Speaker 12: Richer I don't think they should be quiet. I think

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Speaker 12: it's a reality in the world that you have to

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Speaker 12: be careful at what you say. For example, try saying

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Speaker 12: free Palestine somewhere in New Zealand at the moment. How

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Speaker 12: quickly will you get shut down?

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Speaker 2: That it's everywhere I go.

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Speaker 3: I said, I mean half the time I was going

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Speaker 3: to work and people were chanting it at me, and

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Speaker 3: I had nothing to do with the whole situation. So

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Speaker 3: I think you hear free Palestine nearly everywhere you go.

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Speaker 12: You hear it everywhere you go. But can you debate

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Speaker 12: it anywhere? Hope, give me a give me a talkback

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Speaker 12: show that you can debate it on. Name me one.

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Speaker 2: Well, how many talkback shows are they? Yeah, uh huh.

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Speaker 12: You've judged the questions very adroitly.

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Speaker 2: Well, do you know, to be fair, Colleen, Yeah, No,

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Speaker 2: to be fair, we have discussed that in the past

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Speaker 2: when there's been breaking news in terms of that situation,

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Speaker 2: but when we cannot. And then Charlie Kirk's case, and

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Speaker 2: you mentioned some of his views there that you find distasteful,

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Speaker 2: but that whole idea of of the violent reaction to

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Speaker 2: what he wants to say in that debate, he wants

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Speaker 2: to bring out into the open because people are saying

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Speaker 2: those things anyway, and whether they say them in the

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Speaker 2: shadows or they say them in their own homes, those

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Speaker 2: things are being spoken about. So bringing them out into

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Speaker 2: the open, no matter how distasteful you might think about

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Speaker 2: those things. Clearly, there is a benefit to respectful debate.

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Speaker 12: If it stays respectful. Yes, it is benefit to respectful debate.

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Speaker 12: But I find it hard in New Zealand to engage

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Speaker 12: in respectful debate in a public forum because as soon

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Speaker 12: as you bring in a subject that is at all

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Speaker 12: touchy controversial, like Israel Palestine, it gets shut down. Try

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Speaker 12: commenting on New Zealand Herald sites and things. They shut

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Speaker 12: the comments so fast. This business with Tom Phillips. You

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Speaker 12: can't comment anywhere on local media about it. They just

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Speaker 12: shut it down, which is unfortunate because people have a

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Speaker 12: point to view and when you only see one point

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Speaker 12: of view, it's not really a debate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think we agree with that and agreement

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Speaker 3: in that. And you know, one thing, whatever you think

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Speaker 3: of Charlie Kirky was always very respectful in debates. He

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Speaker 3: would always listen to the other side. And as you say, Colleen,

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Speaker 3: it's no good if people just get shouted down when

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Speaker 3: they try and say, try and give their opinion. But

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Speaker 3: Christopher Hutchins, he had this great saying which was basically

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Speaker 3: like when you silence people, you also lose your ability

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Speaker 3: to hear and you do want to hear the opinions

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Speaker 3: of the people that you disagree with, so you can

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Speaker 3: sharpen your arguments against them, or maybe there's something that

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Speaker 3: they're saying that that's right. I mean, it's the very

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Speaker 3: few people that you agree with disagree with one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent of what they have to say. Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much for your call, Colleen, Oh.

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Speaker 2: One hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

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Speaker 2: We've got some messages to play, but plenty of calls

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Speaker 2: to get to and if you want to send a

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Speaker 2: text nine two nine two.

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Speaker 1: Is that the big stories, the big issues, the big

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Speaker 1: trends and everything in between. Matt Heath and Taylor Adams

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Speaker 1: afternoons used talks that'd be very.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon to us. On the back of the death

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Speaker 2: of Charlie Kirk, a debate has reignited about free speech.

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Speaker 2: So are we losing our ability to debate fairly? In

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Speaker 2: New Zealand?

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Speaker 3: This Texas says, I don't think he was shot for

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Speaker 3: what he was saying doing on the day was what

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Speaker 3: he represented in what he has said over the last

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Speaker 3: few years. I mean, I mean that seems likely because

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Speaker 3: he'd only answered two questions that day. Yes, so he

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Speaker 3: hadn't actually said anything. Hey you guys, I love Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 3: He was always respectful and peaceful and a great debater. Sadly,

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Speaker 3: no one wants to hear the truth anymore. The truth

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Speaker 3: is too hard for people to digest. Charlie had an amazing,

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Speaker 3: beautiful family. This is just horrifying and heartbreaking his poor

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Speaker 3: family and Wiston Peters is posted this on x It's

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Speaker 3: a tragedy that we now live in a world that

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Speaker 3: differences of opinion are met with a gun. The death

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Speaker 3: of Charlie Kirk is not political violence. It is an assassination.

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Speaker 3: The utter tragedy is that Kirk, traveling extensively around the

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Speaker 3: university campus is to give an open mic and debate

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Speaker 3: to everyone, and all were welcome. He stood for freedom

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Speaker 3: of speech and especially fought for the rights of others

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Speaker 3: to express theirs, even if he disagreed. The essence of

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Speaker 3: democracy is under threat around the world and we must

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Speaker 3: do everything we can to protect it.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the most more galling things about

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Speaker 2: this situation is that happened at a university campus, and

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Speaker 2: a university has always been and should be a place

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Speaker 2: where people debate ideas and a battle of different ways

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Speaker 2: of thinking. That is the whole point of an academic

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Speaker 2: institution like a university or a college campus. And the

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Speaker 2: very fact he was assassinated at that place where it

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Speaker 2: should be a free exchange of ideas just feels really galling.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty symbolic.

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Speaker 3: Hey, lads, I'm a young voter and in most recent

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Speaker 3: years i've voted National. This Charlie kirk Feller was an

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Speaker 3: utter planker. Watched a few of his debates and he

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Speaker 3: got showed up by college kids. His beliefs shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: acceptable in this day and age. In twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 3: his views on woman, LGBTQ, and abortion, etc. Were wild

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Speaker 3: and not acceptable. I'm sure this man had many brainwash supporters,

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Speaker 3: but he also had many haters. And I'm not surprised

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Speaker 3: at what's taken place today.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I mean people are allowed to have different opinions than

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Speaker 3: you have. David, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: What's your thoughts about debate in New Zealand? Can we

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Speaker 2: still do that in a fair manner?

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Speaker 12: Yeah?

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Speaker 13: Look, I think we can have debate. I don't think

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Speaker 13: that this is a symptom of kind of what's going

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Speaker 13: on in New Zealand when it comes to Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 13: in particular, his views, like you've been saying, they some

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Speaker 13: of them were very controversial. But I don't think that

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Speaker 13: we should also be kind of mastering Charlie Kirk at

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Speaker 13: the same time what he was doing. And I've been

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Speaker 13: following Charlie Kirk since I was at university about the

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Speaker 13: same age as him. I have a young family the

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Speaker 13: same as him. I followed him since about twenty sixteen

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Speaker 13: when I was in university. He wasn't a peaceful, respectful debater.

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Speaker 13: A huge part of his platform was taking soundbites from

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Speaker 13: college campus debates that he would have with students and

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Speaker 13: posting them on YouTube and with titles like Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 13: destroys Leftists or Charlie Kirk absolutely obliterates you know, trans

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Speaker 13: feminine radical leftists. And so actually, what Charlie was doing

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Speaker 13: was adding to this political divide and this polarization throughout

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Speaker 13: his career, and he relied on that. So what happened

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Speaker 13: to him was a tragedy. It condemned political violence. Absolutely,

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Speaker 13: it shouldn't have happened at all, and it is, you know, abhorrent.

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Speaker 13: What's happened, but by the same token, he was also

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Speaker 13: feeding into that same system. So we can't actually sit

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Speaker 13: here and say, oh, Charlie was this kind of saint

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Speaker 13: of debate and everything should happen the same way that

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Speaker 13: he did it, because he was actually as inflammatory as

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Speaker 13: the worst on either the left or the right. It

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Speaker 13: doesn't really matter what.

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Speaker 3: You have you watched longer debates, you know, because that's

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Speaker 3: part of it. That's just David just a second, David,

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Speaker 3: just a second. So that's that's part of the YouTube algorithm,

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Agree.

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Speaker 3: Taking little bits and then putting inflammatory titles up whatever

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Speaker 3: is not great for the political discourse. But let's just

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Speaker 3: talk about say, when he's in a long term debating situation,

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Speaker 3: he tends to put the mic down and let the

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Speaker 3: other person speak, and then he picks it up and

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Speaker 3: says his but and you can totally disagree with what

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Speaker 3: he says, and you can maybe even disagree with the

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Speaker 3: way his YouTube videos were promoted, etc. But it was

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Speaker 3: a debate and he's putting his side across and also

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Speaker 3: listening to the other side.

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Speaker 2: So isn't that what we want?

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Speaker 13: I see what you're saying about the Oxford Union Debate.

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Speaker 13: That's because that's one of the oldest debating institutions in

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Speaker 13: the world, and they have very strict and set rules

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Speaker 13: around how you are allowed to debates or free for all.

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Speaker 13: It's not Charlie Kirk setting the rules in that fora

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Speaker 13: what he actually has to do as abide by their

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Speaker 13: terms when he goes the same way David Seymour did

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Speaker 13: the same way any notable person of any political persuasion does.

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Speaker 13: So he did that in those videos. But I've also

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Speaker 13: watched a number of his interactions. I've followed other people

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Speaker 13: that are in the same kind of vein as him,

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Speaker 13: like Ben Shapiro and others, and the way that they

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Speaker 13: do it. And I'm not saying random YouTube is taking

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Speaker 13: his clips. I mean turning Point USA's own videos if

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Speaker 13: you go on their YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm not denying.

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Speaker 3: I'm not denying that. I'm not denying that part. But

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Speaker 3: do you think that he shouldn't do that? And that's

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Speaker 3: something that people shouldn't be allowed to do and there

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Speaker 3: should be consequences for people.

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Speaker 13: I think if we Yeah, I think as a go

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Speaker 13: back to your question of can we have respectful debate,

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Speaker 13: particularly in a New Zealand sitting absolutely we can. It's

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Speaker 13: about how we debate. It's about how we actually do

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Speaker 13: those things. Going to university campuses as somebody of a

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Speaker 13: particular political persuasion and then trying to argue in the

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Speaker 13: way that he did with students who haven't even graduated.

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Speaker 13: That's not a forum where you're going to get healthy debate,

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Speaker 13: is that? Because well, why why isn't he debating other intellectuals?

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Speaker 13: Why isn't he going on?

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Speaker 2: I think he does. He does quite quite a lot.

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Speaker 3: I mean I've seen him debate all kinds of people

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Speaker 3: across the board.

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Speaker 13: No, I fully disagree. I mean, he was at a

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Speaker 13: campus today because that's the kind of forum that he

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Speaker 13: thrives in the most. He was handing out mega hats,

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Speaker 13: He's stoken out in the crowd.

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Speaker 2: And you should Should you not do that?

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Speaker 3: Should you not go to a campus and put across

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Speaker 3: your political opinion strongly?

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Speaker 13: You can, but it depends on again, how you do that.

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Speaker 13: So if you're if you're in New Zealand and you

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Speaker 13: want to have look, one of the one of the

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Speaker 13: things that we've had before is we've we've banned right

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Speaker 13: leaning speakers from coming to this country. I disagree with that.

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Speaker 13: I think that we should be able to have open debate.

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Speaker 13: I attended when I, like I referred to before, when

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Speaker 13: I was at the University of Aukland, we had Don

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Speaker 13: Brash come through. Obviously there was a huge amount of

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Speaker 13: pushback on that because of his views, and I think

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Speaker 13: that we should have had that debate. And we did

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Speaker 13: have that debate. So I'm not saying you can't, but

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Speaker 13: it goes back to, actually, how are you having these

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Speaker 13: debates and doing it in the way that he did

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Speaker 13: in an inflammatory manner is further staking political debate and

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Speaker 13: it's not a healthy argument, a healthy debate.

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Speaker 2: David, appreciate your calling in, and you're a very thoughtful guy,

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Speaker 2: so really appreciate you've giving us a buzz and joining

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Speaker 2: this conversation right. Got to play some messages back very

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Speaker 2: shortly and plenty of calls to get to It is

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Speaker 2: eight minutes to two.

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Speaker 1: Mad Heath Tyler Adams taking your calls on eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's mad Heathen Tyler Adams. Afternoons

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Speaker 1: News TALKSB.

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Speaker 2: News Talks B. It is five to two. A whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of techs have come through on nine two niney two.

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Speaker 3: Hi, guys on Congress, increasingly concerned how nasty people have

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Speaker 3: gotten on social media. I saw the pmpost a photo

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Speaker 3: of a beautiful scenery out of plane window and a

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Speaker 3: message of how lucky we are to live in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: He got castigated by detractors. Take a breath, people, He's

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Speaker 3: just trying to make things better at pace. As you

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Speaker 3: said in your intro, Matt, if everyone did something small,

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Speaker 3: like a smile or helpful jesture every day, it would

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Speaker 3: help lift the mood.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's a nice message in that.

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Speaker 3: None of those kids have to debate him this referrence

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Speaker 3: to Charlie Kirk on the campuses.

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Speaker 2: If they weren't.

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Speaker 3: Interested, then he would just be some weirdo in a

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Speaker 3: gazebo and a car park.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very true.

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Speaker 3: Thousands and thousands come out well, used to come out

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Speaker 3: to debate Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, we're going to carry this on after two o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Are we losing the ability to have open, respectful debate

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Speaker 2: in New Zealander's disagreement to often seen as hostility? Love

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Speaker 2: your views on this one oh eight hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to call. If you can't

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Speaker 2: get through, keep trying. Nine two ninety two is the

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Speaker 2: text numbers now as well. We've got new Sport and

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Speaker 2: we're the fast approaching. Really good to have your company

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Speaker 2: this afternoon. I hope you're having a good Thursday. You're

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Speaker 2: listening to Matt and Tyler. Stay right here. We'll be

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Speaker 2: back very.

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Speaker 1: Shortly talking with you all afternoon. It's Matt Heath and

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Speaker 1: Taylor Adams Afternoons news Talks.

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Speaker 2: It'd be for a good afternoon to you. Welcome back

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Speaker 2: into the program at seven past two, and we have

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Speaker 2: been talking about fear debate in New Zealand on the

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Speaker 2: bank of the assassination of Charlie Kirk in US in

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Speaker 2: the US, I should say, at a Utah campus. So

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Speaker 2: have we It's reignited the debate about free speech and

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Speaker 2: fear debate. But has New Zealand lost its ability to

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Speaker 2: have that fear and open debate?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, let's bring it back to a New

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Speaker 3: Zealand situation, because it feels like we're going the way

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Speaker 3: of America and do we want that? Do you think

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Speaker 3: people should be able to say what they believe without

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Speaker 3: whatever that is, without concern for violence, I guess is

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Speaker 3: the question. Just a few responses that have come from

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Speaker 3: from various people. Barack Obama said, we don't know what

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Speaker 3: motivated the person who shot and killed Charlie Kirk, but

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Speaker 3: this kind of despicable violence is no place in a democracy.

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Speaker 3: Michelle and I will be praying for Charlie's family tonight,

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Speaker 3: especially his wife, Erica and their two young children. This

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Speaker 3: Matthew Dowd is an American political pundit and consultant, and

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Speaker 3: he took sort of the opposite opinion I guess you'd say,

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Speaker 3: or a different opinion. This is what he said, and

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Speaker 3: it's caused quite a lot of controversy in the States.

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Speaker 3: He's been one of the most divisive, especially divisive younger

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Speaker 3: figures in this who is constantly sort of pushing this

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Speaker 3: sort of hate speech or sort of aimed at certain groups.

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Speaker 3: And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to

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Speaker 3: hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions. And I

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Speaker 3: think that is the environment we are in. You can't

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Speaker 3: stop with these sort of awful thoughts you have and

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Speaker 3: then saying these awful words and not expect awful actions

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Speaker 3: to take place. And that's the environment that we are in.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's quite a heartless thing to say, but I

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Speaker 2: will say he's allowed to say that, but he should

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Speaker 2: be open for debate and to be challenged on that.

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Speaker 2: And it appears that's what's happening, and that's the whole

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Speaker 2: point of it, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean so many of the people that are

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Speaker 3: texting through say that that because Charlie Kirk said things

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Speaker 3: that they think are hateful, that he created an environment

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Speaker 3: where this happened to him, which you know, I would

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Speaker 3: take the angle that, as I said before, that people

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Speaker 3: should be able to say whatever they believe, whatever that is,

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Speaker 3: without concern for violence. And as we read out before

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Speaker 3: and once the piece says, it's tragic. It's a tragedy

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Speaker 3: that we now live in a world that differences of

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Speaker 3: opinion are met with a gun. The death of Charlie

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Speaker 3: Kirk is not political violence. It's an assassination. The utter

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Speaker 3: tragedy is that Kirk traveled extensively around university campuses to

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Speaker 3: give an open mic and debate to everyone, and all

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Speaker 3: were welcome. He stood for freedom of speech and especially

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Speaker 3: fought for the right of others to express there is

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Speaker 3: even if he disagreed the essence of democracy is under

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Speaker 3: threat around the world and we must do everything we

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Speaker 3: can to protect it.

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Speaker 2: Oh one hundred eighty ten to eighty is the number

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Speaker 2: to call. How do you feel about fear debate in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand? Have we lost that ability? Are we too

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Speaker 2: polarized to be able to disagree without shutting each other down? Treva?

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Speaker 2: How are you?

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Speaker 6: Hey? You've always great discussion. Don't know I could comment

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Speaker 6: about what he says, but I mean on a couple

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Speaker 6: of callers, I mean, I think it was the last

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Speaker 6: time before news to mention like why it happened, and

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Speaker 6: he mentioned that he, like Charlie Kirk, gives out mega hats.

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Speaker 6: I mean, that's just ridiculous. I mean I'd be to

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Speaker 6: be but careful with one that I got when I

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Speaker 6: was in America where I were at APE, just in

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Speaker 6: case somebody is really offended by I mean to link

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Speaker 6: what happened to him Because he.

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Speaker 4: Gives out mega hats.

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Speaker 6: He throws them out into the crowd and if you

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Speaker 6: don't want one, don't take one. If you want to

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Speaker 6: take it over and use it for toilet paper, use

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Speaker 6: it for toilet paper. But ever think giving out mega

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Speaker 6: hats you know leads to situations like this, I just

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Speaker 6: think incredible and just on some of his views, But

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Speaker 6: I just want to say, you know, some of his

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Speaker 6: You know, a lot of people think his views are radical,

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Speaker 6: but you know, to one hundreds of millions of people

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Speaker 6: around the world, his views on traditional families, mothers and fathers,

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Speaker 6: male and female, mixing of cultures, reaching of religions. There

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Speaker 6: are hundreds and millions of people around the world agrees

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Speaker 6: with what he says. So why are they radical?

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Speaker 2: M Yeah. I mean to some of the other callers before,

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Speaker 2: when they said he shouldn't be saying those things, it

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Speaker 2: was very distasteful. And whether a lot I agree with

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Speaker 2: his views, I've never brought into that argument that these

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Speaker 2: things are being discussed in homes and on online forums

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Speaker 2: and social media, and they are the views of millions

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Speaker 2: and millions of people out there. So to keep those

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Speaker 2: in the shadow and excuse those, you know, to exclude

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Speaker 2: those people from having feared debate, arguably, in my view,

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Speaker 2: I think has caused a lot of the division that

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Speaker 2: we're seeing right now. They don't feel like they can

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Speaker 2: be open with disagreeing with some of the things that

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Speaker 2: they hear, so that causes a lot of resentment, and

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Speaker 2: it's still there. It's underground, so he was trying to

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Speaker 2: bring it out into the open.

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Speaker 6: No, absolutely, And as I say, it'll be hundreds of

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Speaker 6: millions of people around the world have his views on abortion.

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Speaker 6: And the sad thing about it, a lot of those

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Speaker 6: people or be not saying anything I might appeal and

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Speaker 6: so on. And I just think it's incredible that probably

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Speaker 6: more people might have his views than the counterview. Another

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Speaker 6: thing I want to say, he mentioned Donald Trump and

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Speaker 6: he liked Donald Trump. Charlie Kirk's views would have been

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Speaker 6: were formed before Donald Trump comes along. Donald Trump comes along,

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Speaker 6: and he told us before his elections his thoughts on

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Speaker 6: a Bullton, his thoughts on immigration and things like that.

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Speaker 6: But you know, he won the popular vote in America

872
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Speaker 6: with Donald Trump saying his thoughts. He won the popular

873
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Speaker 6: vote in America, so more Americans weren't concerned about Donald

874
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Speaker 6: Trump's views on rainbow rits on all those other things.

875
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Speaker 6: And as I say, Charlie Kirk, of course he knows

876
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Speaker 6: what Donald Trump says, but his views, I guarantee, weren't

877
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Speaker 6: given to him from Donald Trump. He would have had

878
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Speaker 6: the world before Donald Trump come along.

879
00:44:57,693 --> 00:45:01,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean their Christian conservative views, aren't they primarily

880
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Speaker 3: what Charlie Kirk follows, And in recent times those have

881
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Speaker 3: become incredibly CONTROVERSI probably not controversial twenty years ago or

882
00:45:11,613 --> 00:45:14,413
Speaker 3: even fifteen years ago a lot of what Charlie Kirk said,

883
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Speaker 3: but just to sort of point out something that you know,

884
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Speaker 3: David said the caller that you're referring to. He did

885
00:45:20,493 --> 00:45:24,933
Speaker 3: say that it was abhorrent what happened, but he was

886
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Speaker 3: kind of pushing back on the idea that Charlie Kirk,

887
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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk was some kind of saint of debate, which

888
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Speaker 3: is what I was saying, that he was very open

889
00:45:34,373 --> 00:45:36,453
Speaker 3: in debate, and I watched the Oxford Union debate and

890
00:45:36,453 --> 00:45:39,173
Speaker 3: thought he was very respectful. And I think David's point

891
00:45:39,213 --> 00:45:41,453
Speaker 3: was just that he might not be as saint like

892
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Speaker 3: as I was saying in that aspect of his life,

893
00:45:44,653 --> 00:45:47,333
Speaker 3: and that the way he was promoted as YouTube crips

894
00:45:47,333 --> 00:45:49,533
Speaker 3: were quite inflammatory. That's all that David was saying, but

895
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Speaker 3: he was agreeing it was.

896
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Speaker 6: Mate, You're probably right, but for him to say that

897
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Speaker 6: somebody with views like that can't go along to a

898
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Speaker 6: university campus and discuss them and debate them. You know,

899
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Speaker 6: that's just incredible.

900
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Speaker 14: Look, I'll tell you what I mean.

901
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Speaker 6: I don't know what cander Zones is thinking now. And

902
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Speaker 6: I think it was discussed thing that Candace Owens wasn't

903
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Speaker 6: allowed in New Zealand because of some of the views

904
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Speaker 6: she had that some I agree with, some I didn't

905
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Speaker 6: agree with. But it was absolutely disgusting that some I mean,

906
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Speaker 6: Candace owns down must be really and people like you

907
00:46:23,013 --> 00:46:26,893
Speaker 6: must really really be thinking their situation. And it's really

908
00:46:26,973 --> 00:46:30,333
Speaker 6: really sad because there are hundreds of millions of people

909
00:46:30,373 --> 00:46:31,773
Speaker 6: that you can sit down and have a beer with,

910
00:46:31,893 --> 00:46:35,213
Speaker 6: have a barbecue with, mix with, go socially with. You

911
00:46:35,253 --> 00:46:37,292
Speaker 6: can sit down with them and have a good time

912
00:46:37,333 --> 00:46:39,973
Speaker 6: with them, but you don't like their views, so you

913
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Speaker 6: treat them like that. I just think it's worrying times thanks.

914
00:46:43,293 --> 00:46:44,093
Speaker 2: To you, cool Trevor.

915
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Speaker 3: I mean, and it shouldn't really be the debate about

916
00:46:46,613 --> 00:46:48,453
Speaker 3: the content of what he said or how he presented

917
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Speaker 3: it anyway. I mean, that's the idea of free speech.

918
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Speaker 3: You want to hear what other people have to say,

919
00:46:53,293 --> 00:46:56,172
Speaker 3: even if you disagree with it. That's the whole point.

920
00:46:56,253 --> 00:47:00,013
Speaker 3: So whether you think what he said was wrong or

921
00:47:00,093 --> 00:47:03,133
Speaker 3: right or whatever is not the arguably not the issue.

922
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Speaker 2: It's the idea of excluding or shelting down particular views

923
00:47:07,053 --> 00:47:08,772
Speaker 2: because you don't like them and it doesn't really matter

924
00:47:08,813 --> 00:47:10,933
Speaker 2: what that view is. Any side that does that, to

925
00:47:10,973 --> 00:47:13,693
Speaker 2: me is abhorrent because people believe in those things and

926
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Speaker 2: they want the ability to debate them and they don't

927
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Speaker 2: want to be shamed for thinking those things. And that's

928
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Speaker 2: what's happened in society over the past four years. It's

929
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Speaker 2: not really a.

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Speaker 3: Left right issue, no at all, because there's been things

931
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Speaker 3: in the past that from both sides of political spectrum

932
00:47:28,533 --> 00:47:29,213
Speaker 3: that have that have.

933
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Speaker 2: Been shut down. Yeah, you know exactly.

934
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Speaker 3: It used to It used to be the Catholic Church

935
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Speaker 3: that was often shutting down a debate when when I

936
00:47:36,533 --> 00:47:40,333
Speaker 3: was younger, they used to be the chief census. Very true,

937
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Speaker 3: people only believe in free speech if it's what they

938
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Speaker 3: believe in. Sadly, the earlier caller tried to describe that

939
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Speaker 3: was a disrespectful debating discussion, but what he really meant

940
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Speaker 3: was that they did not agree with Charlie Kirk's thoughts.

941
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Speaker 2: Yeah right, keen to get your views in New Zealand.

942
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Speaker 2: Are we losing the space and the will to really

943
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Speaker 2: listen to views We don't like fear debates, really keen

944
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Speaker 2: to hear from you. Oh eight hundred and eighty ten

945
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Speaker 2: eighty is the number to call.

946
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Speaker 3: This is a bizarre text. What are you guys even

947
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Speaker 3: talking about? He was able to debate in public for

948
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Speaker 3: a long time. It was a more on with a

949
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Speaker 3: gun that stopped that. Uh. He was thirty one when

950
00:48:14,813 --> 00:48:17,933
Speaker 3: he died, so he wasn't speaking in public for a huge.

951
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Speaker 2: Amount of time in his life. Yeah, what a weird text.

952
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Speaker 2: But thank you. That is your right to text through

953
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Speaker 2: and we love it. It's sixteen path two. You should

954
00:48:24,453 --> 00:48:25,733
Speaker 2: be glad to speak in public forever.

955
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Speaker 1: Your home of afternoon talk Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons

956
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Speaker 1: call eight hundred eighty ten eighty us talk, said be.

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Speaker 2: It's eighteen past two. Have we forgotten how to debate

958
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Speaker 2: without dividing? In New Zealand? Oh eight hundred and eighty

959
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Speaker 2: ten eighty C number.

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Speaker 3: To call the six is Hey, laz, there's no debate

961
00:48:44,493 --> 00:48:47,093
Speaker 3: in New Zealand anymore. Did we sit down and debate

962
00:48:47,093 --> 00:48:48,773
Speaker 3: climate change or the COVID vaccine?

963
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Speaker 2: No, we didn't.

964
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Speaker 3: That's why we had doctors at Sea that were fired

965
00:48:51,653 --> 00:48:54,053
Speaker 3: for speaking out against the propaganda the government puts out.

966
00:48:54,133 --> 00:48:56,933
Speaker 3: My daughter goes to college and is in this environment class.

967
00:48:57,453 --> 00:48:59,732
Speaker 3: All they are told is climate change is happening without

968
00:48:59,733 --> 00:49:00,693
Speaker 3: looking at both sides.

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00:49:00,773 --> 00:49:03,813
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. Thank you for the text.

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Speaker 3: The Charlie Kirk assassination is abhorrent. He was a conservative

971
00:49:07,213 --> 00:49:09,733
Speaker 3: Christian debater who folks on facts and not emotions and

972
00:49:09,773 --> 00:49:12,652
Speaker 3: has been assassinated because people could not engage, would not

973
00:49:12,733 --> 00:49:16,853
Speaker 3: engage in factual debate. This is the tolerant left and

974
00:49:16,893 --> 00:49:20,293
Speaker 3: full action and being exposed for what they are. So

975
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Speaker 3: the shooter is currently on the loose yep, still at large.

976
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Speaker 3: So we are making assumptions that it was a political shooting.

977
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Speaker 3: I mean, it seems highly highly likely that it is

978
00:49:30,733 --> 00:49:34,692
Speaker 3: considering who Charlie Kirk was. But we will find out

979
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Speaker 3: more when they find who shot him.

980
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Speaker 2: Yep, the true motivations will come to lights. But it

981
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Speaker 2: certainly reignited the debate about free speech here in New

982
00:49:43,733 --> 00:49:47,053
Speaker 2: Zealand and elsewhere. But really, can hear your views, Peter,

983
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Speaker 2: how are you this afternoon?

984
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Speaker 8: Eighteen?

985
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Speaker 14: I think this is the stays a very important crossroads.

986
00:49:54,613 --> 00:49:57,013
Speaker 14: So on, like you're talking about on the free speech.

987
00:49:57,453 --> 00:49:58,652
Speaker 8: Now when Trump it.

988
00:49:58,733 --> 00:50:01,813
Speaker 14: Came down that tower and assumed the seat of the

989
00:50:01,813 --> 00:50:06,573
Speaker 14: White House, there was an active campaign to hush anything

990
00:50:06,733 --> 00:50:11,333
Speaker 14: that was Republican related. You know, the talking guys, you know,

991
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Speaker 14: the Shapiro's and Michael Knowles and Kirks weren't even allowed

992
00:50:15,373 --> 00:50:20,093
Speaker 14: on university campuses and it was just straight out hush.

993
00:50:20,613 --> 00:50:22,693
Speaker 14: You can't say anything. You're not allowed to say anything.

994
00:50:22,813 --> 00:50:24,013
Speaker 8: We don't like it.

995
00:50:24,053 --> 00:50:28,973
Speaker 14: And it's taken pretty much four years for you know,

996
00:50:29,093 --> 00:50:32,853
Speaker 14: the circle to turn back around and for them to engage.

997
00:50:32,893 --> 00:50:36,333
Speaker 14: And what I like about Charlie is he knew that

998
00:50:36,373 --> 00:50:38,973
Speaker 14: the kids of the future and yes he did a

999
00:50:39,013 --> 00:50:43,293
Speaker 14: lot of university's talks, because that's where the future lies

1000
00:50:43,373 --> 00:50:46,173
Speaker 14: with the kids that are up and coming. And I

1001
00:50:46,693 --> 00:50:51,413
Speaker 14: think where we're in a place where what's happening in

1002
00:50:51,493 --> 00:50:56,613
Speaker 14: Britain and Australia with free speech is terrorboards. You know,

1003
00:50:56,693 --> 00:50:59,933
Speaker 14: you'd be arrested for writing something on Facebook. And I

1004
00:50:59,973 --> 00:51:05,013
Speaker 14: think we're a step away from the same the same place.

1005
00:51:05,173 --> 00:51:09,933
Speaker 14: But we need people like kirk or or other other

1006
00:51:10,013 --> 00:51:12,853
Speaker 14: players in the field left or right to carry on it,

1007
00:51:13,333 --> 00:51:16,213
Speaker 14: you know. And I look at Taku de Ferra's little

1008
00:51:16,253 --> 00:51:18,453
Speaker 14: video the other night. He has every right to say

1009
00:51:18,493 --> 00:51:21,293
Speaker 14: that was it right? Probably not. Is he going to

1010
00:51:21,373 --> 00:51:23,893
Speaker 14: get in trouble for it? He might do, but he

1011
00:51:24,093 --> 00:51:25,252
Speaker 14: still has that right.

1012
00:51:25,933 --> 00:51:26,413
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1013
00:51:27,413 --> 00:51:30,413
Speaker 14: And it's a multi Maori seat for Molti people. And

1014
00:51:31,493 --> 00:51:35,613
Speaker 14: I think we shouldn't bad word. I don't say, assassinate

1015
00:51:35,693 --> 00:51:38,453
Speaker 14: him by using words. He has any right to say

1016
00:51:38,493 --> 00:51:40,053
Speaker 14: that he's show so he should.

1017
00:51:40,973 --> 00:51:43,373
Speaker 3: But everyone but other people, but other people have every

1018
00:51:43,453 --> 00:51:46,253
Speaker 3: right to push back about it against it equally hard.

1019
00:51:47,213 --> 00:51:52,533
Speaker 14: Exactly exactly like I ye, people say, I Charlie was

1020
00:51:52,653 --> 00:51:56,213
Speaker 14: right up Trump's bumb Well, he actually disagreed with a

1021
00:51:56,253 --> 00:51:58,573
Speaker 14: lot of things that Trump had to do, but he

1022
00:51:58,653 --> 00:52:02,853
Speaker 14: was a Republican so he kept the he kept the

1023
00:52:03,013 --> 00:52:06,692
Speaker 14: party together with Lye and like you said, the Christianity thing,

1024
00:52:07,093 --> 00:52:10,533
Speaker 14: hear me Christianity. And I think it's a very sad

1025
00:52:10,613 --> 00:52:14,853
Speaker 14: and worrisome day that you know, things could to be

1026
00:52:15,013 --> 00:52:19,813
Speaker 14: the way in this and without those those free voices

1027
00:52:19,853 --> 00:52:22,813
Speaker 14: that have the ability to reach out the people in

1028
00:52:22,893 --> 00:52:27,253
Speaker 14: debate at doing it fairly, I think where it's a

1029
00:52:27,413 --> 00:52:30,533
Speaker 14: very very slippery slope unfortunately.

1030
00:52:31,133 --> 00:52:34,133
Speaker 2: I mean there's no doubt Peter that trust across the

1031
00:52:34,133 --> 00:52:37,613
Speaker 2: board and institutions, government and the inter media. We can

1032
00:52:37,653 --> 00:52:40,613
Speaker 2: see it. It's out there. Is it record lows and

1033
00:52:40,653 --> 00:52:42,773
Speaker 2: continues to go down. I mean, do you think that

1034
00:52:42,893 --> 00:52:44,493
Speaker 2: is a part of it? Because we have lost that

1035
00:52:44,573 --> 00:52:47,212
Speaker 2: ability to debate fairly, to hear other's point of views

1036
00:52:47,253 --> 00:52:50,053
Speaker 2: without shutting it down, to not cause that resentment that

1037
00:52:50,093 --> 00:52:52,893
Speaker 2: if you've got a particular view, you're an idiot and

1038
00:52:53,333 --> 00:52:54,413
Speaker 2: you don't deserve to be heard.

1039
00:52:55,573 --> 00:52:59,093
Speaker 14: Well, yeah, I agree with you. People don't want to

1040
00:52:59,133 --> 00:53:01,333
Speaker 14: hear you if they don't align with you, right, And

1041
00:53:02,133 --> 00:53:04,173
Speaker 14: this is the time where you need to be vocal.

1042
00:53:04,253 --> 00:53:07,413
Speaker 14: And I kind of like, I don't care if people

1043
00:53:07,453 --> 00:53:11,373
Speaker 14: don't like my are my views? And but do I

1044
00:53:11,453 --> 00:53:15,013
Speaker 14: go publicly debate them? But if someone asked my opinion,

1045
00:53:15,773 --> 00:53:18,853
Speaker 14: it's you know, came on, do you have right?

1046
00:53:18,933 --> 00:53:19,013
Speaker 11: So?

1047
00:53:19,053 --> 00:53:19,173
Speaker 14: Do you?

1048
00:53:19,293 --> 00:53:23,813
Speaker 3: You don't feel restricted in sharing your views at all

1049
00:53:23,973 --> 00:53:26,573
Speaker 3: in New Zealand society, Peter. You feel like you can

1050
00:53:26,613 --> 00:53:27,573
Speaker 3: get your stuff out.

1051
00:53:29,133 --> 00:53:32,773
Speaker 14: If I'm if I'm asked directly, I'll get my stuff out.

1052
00:53:32,893 --> 00:53:38,173
Speaker 14: Like my whole family know where I politically align, and

1053
00:53:38,573 --> 00:53:41,373
Speaker 14: I think so of my friends, and I've got friends

1054
00:53:41,413 --> 00:53:45,093
Speaker 14: on both sides of the spectrum, and they go it's

1055
00:53:45,133 --> 00:53:48,493
Speaker 14: just pick grand team again. But they still look they

1056
00:53:48,973 --> 00:53:52,773
Speaker 14: you know, they still listen. So I think it's really important.

1057
00:53:52,893 --> 00:53:57,453
Speaker 14: And if I, if I decided to change and switch sides,

1058
00:53:57,653 --> 00:53:59,693
Speaker 14: it'll be a massive surprise for some people.

1059
00:53:59,733 --> 00:54:01,693
Speaker 3: But do you think do you think people should do

1060
00:54:01,693 --> 00:54:04,133
Speaker 3: you think people that don't have friends on different sides

1061
00:54:04,173 --> 00:54:06,413
Speaker 3: of political spectrums should worry?

1062
00:54:06,773 --> 00:54:07,013
Speaker 2: You know?

1063
00:54:07,133 --> 00:54:11,733
Speaker 3: Do you think people should seek people with different views?

1064
00:54:13,253 --> 00:54:16,613
Speaker 14: One percent? So even more more say at work, like,

1065
00:54:17,013 --> 00:54:19,933
Speaker 14: I'm a little bit worried about being canceled at work,

1066
00:54:19,973 --> 00:54:22,053
Speaker 14: But then I go, well, why why would I be worried.

1067
00:54:22,373 --> 00:54:24,493
Speaker 14: I'm at work to do my job, So I don't

1068
00:54:25,373 --> 00:54:30,053
Speaker 14: talk about what I personally believe in unless I'm asked,

1069
00:54:30,373 --> 00:54:33,133
Speaker 14: and then yeah, you go from there, and yeah, because

1070
00:54:33,133 --> 00:54:35,493
Speaker 14: you can't get that out of an interview before you

1071
00:54:35,533 --> 00:54:38,533
Speaker 14: start your job. You know, that always comes later where

1072
00:54:38,893 --> 00:54:41,732
Speaker 14: that you don't like the teachers or the firemen get

1073
00:54:41,773 --> 00:54:45,733
Speaker 14: paid too much, and you know, it's that's just life.

1074
00:54:45,733 --> 00:54:48,653
Speaker 14: But I agree with what you said that you shouldn't

1075
00:54:48,693 --> 00:54:53,053
Speaker 14: have friends on both sides of the whatever opinion you have,

1076
00:54:53,213 --> 00:54:56,813
Speaker 14: because what else you talk about? You talk about stupid

1077
00:54:56,813 --> 00:54:58,173
Speaker 14: apps on phones.

1078
00:54:57,853 --> 00:55:03,213
Speaker 2: And you know it's pretty hard and the engagement.

1079
00:55:03,613 --> 00:55:05,293
Speaker 6: Yeah yeah, and that's.

1080
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Speaker 14: My parents align with parents, right because we have sudden

1081
00:55:08,973 --> 00:55:12,533
Speaker 14: can comment kids. Yeah, where for Tyler, you know, you're

1082
00:55:12,533 --> 00:55:14,453
Speaker 14: out the back door. You're not part of the club yet,

1083
00:55:14,533 --> 00:55:18,933
Speaker 14: but you will be and the whole world will open.

1084
00:55:18,733 --> 00:55:22,373
Speaker 3: That Oh my god, this is I totally agree with

1085
00:55:22,453 --> 00:55:24,652
Speaker 3: you that that is a real change in your life

1086
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Speaker 3: when you have kids and you're suddenly on the sideline

1087
00:55:26,973 --> 00:55:29,613
Speaker 3: of sports games and you're at kids parties and you

1088
00:55:29,693 --> 00:55:32,493
Speaker 3: meet people from every different walk of life. And I've

1089
00:55:32,493 --> 00:55:34,413
Speaker 3: met so many great friends that have continued to be

1090
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Speaker 3: my friends that I never would have met if it

1091
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Speaker 3: wasn't for kids. But if you're just going through and

1092
00:55:38,653 --> 00:55:41,373
Speaker 3: only selecting people and you're not forced to be friends

1093
00:55:41,413 --> 00:55:45,253
Speaker 3: with people like you are under those circumstances, then then

1094
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Speaker 3: I think you miss out and really understanding what New

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Speaker 3: Zealand is.

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Speaker 14: I'm in a situation at the moment where I've got

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00:55:52,053 --> 00:55:54,733
Speaker 14: a sixteen year old that I don't agree with what

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00:55:54,933 --> 00:55:59,253
Speaker 14: she's been told at school, and I've got the partner

1099
00:55:59,333 --> 00:56:03,973
Speaker 14: that doesn't agree politically, So it's not but it's not

1100
00:56:04,053 --> 00:56:08,413
Speaker 14: a minefield. It's my daughter. No, no, you need so

1101
00:56:08,733 --> 00:56:10,613
Speaker 14: you need to read up on the other side, read

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00:56:10,693 --> 00:56:15,253
Speaker 14: up on this to understand where that came from. And

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00:56:15,573 --> 00:56:18,732
Speaker 14: it's interesting because these teachers are teaching some of these

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Speaker 14: kids just one perspective of whatever the engagement is, and

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00:56:24,253 --> 00:56:27,533
Speaker 14: that's that's scary. I'd like to say we are aunt college.

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00:56:27,533 --> 00:56:32,692
Speaker 14: We knew both sides of history, but cheaper. It's it's

1107
00:56:32,773 --> 00:56:35,933
Speaker 14: a mind field that's interesting. But you do it because

1108
00:56:36,533 --> 00:56:37,573
Speaker 14: that's why you're a parent.

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Speaker 2: I look forward to that. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: your call.

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00:56:41,813 --> 00:56:43,573
Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's a thing and I've talked about

1112
00:56:43,573 --> 00:56:46,533
Speaker 3: on the show before called steel manning the opposition argument.

1113
00:56:46,613 --> 00:56:48,693
Speaker 3: So too often now and this is what social media,

1114
00:56:50,093 --> 00:56:54,253
Speaker 3: you know, incentivizes, is to straw man the argument. So

1115
00:56:54,293 --> 00:56:59,213
Speaker 3: you you create a weak version of the opposition, so

1116
00:56:59,253 --> 00:57:02,853
Speaker 3: it's easy to beat them down. But you know, if

1117
00:57:02,853 --> 00:57:05,853
Speaker 3: you've got a strong belief and you really really back

1118
00:57:05,893 --> 00:57:09,413
Speaker 3: your belief, then then you probably they should steal man

1119
00:57:09,453 --> 00:57:11,573
Speaker 3: the opposition's argument. And that's why free speech is a

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00:57:11,573 --> 00:57:14,853
Speaker 3: great thing, because you hear the best proponents of the

1121
00:57:14,933 --> 00:57:18,693
Speaker 3: opposite opposing opinion out there, and then you steal your

1122
00:57:18,813 --> 00:57:22,533
Speaker 3: argument by steal manning their argument. So you put together

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00:57:22,613 --> 00:57:27,973
Speaker 3: the best possible description and fairest description of the opposing

1124
00:57:28,053 --> 00:57:29,933
Speaker 3: article and then see if you can beat that. And

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00:57:29,933 --> 00:57:32,773
Speaker 3: without free speech, you don't get that opportunity because all

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00:57:32,813 --> 00:57:36,253
Speaker 3: you ever hear is the opinion that you already agree with,

1127
00:57:36,493 --> 00:57:39,013
Speaker 3: and as a result, your opinions get weaker and weaker

1128
00:57:39,053 --> 00:57:41,053
Speaker 3: and weaker, and they don't stand up to the tests

1129
00:57:41,093 --> 00:57:46,093
Speaker 3: that debate. A proper, serious to head debate with the

1130
00:57:46,133 --> 00:57:48,733
Speaker 3: best version of the opposing argument gives you.

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00:57:48,933 --> 00:57:50,653
Speaker 2: It's a great way to do it, but that requires

1132
00:57:50,653 --> 00:57:53,573
Speaker 2: a lot of focus and a lot of determination from someone.

1133
00:57:53,653 --> 00:57:55,613
Speaker 2: Not to bring in a straw man, but love to

1134
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Speaker 2: hear your thoughts on this. I one hundred and eighty

1135
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Speaker 2: ten eighty is debate fair debate, alive and well in

1136
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Speaker 2: this country? Or does it need some work? Fellers.

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Speaker 3: I haven't been the sad about a celebrity dying ever.

1138
00:58:06,093 --> 00:58:09,013
Speaker 3: Didn't agree with a lot of what Charlie thought, but

1139
00:58:09,373 --> 00:58:11,613
Speaker 3: I did agree with some of it. I am so

1140
00:58:11,853 --> 00:58:13,693
Speaker 3: over all of this, so over the left.

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Speaker 2: Keep those techs coming through on nine two nine two.

1142
00:58:15,813 --> 00:58:16,973
Speaker 2: It's twenty eight past two.

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Speaker 1: Matt Heathan Tyler Adams afternoons call oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty on news talk Z.

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Speaker 2: Be very good afternoons. You it is twenty nine two

1146
00:58:29,533 --> 00:58:32,133
Speaker 2: three and we've had so many techs come through on

1147
00:58:32,173 --> 00:58:34,373
Speaker 2: the idea of free debate in New Zealand. Is it

1148
00:58:34,413 --> 00:58:37,173
Speaker 2: still there or do you think it is eroding fast?

1149
00:58:37,493 --> 00:58:39,133
Speaker 2: I really can you get your views on this? Oh,

1150
00:58:39,173 --> 00:58:41,213
Speaker 2: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call

1151
00:58:41,453 --> 00:58:44,053
Speaker 2: in nine two ninety two for the text, and plenty

1152
00:58:44,053 --> 00:58:45,373
Speaker 2: of those coming through to.

1153
00:58:45,413 --> 00:58:48,173
Speaker 3: Use Charlie Kirk's religious beliefs against them. I say, dance

1154
00:58:48,253 --> 00:58:50,773
Speaker 3: with the deal devil, Deal with the devil. He invited

1155
00:58:50,773 --> 00:58:52,773
Speaker 3: the devil and got the devil, and then the devil

1156
00:58:52,813 --> 00:58:56,053
Speaker 3: got him. That's how it works, right, Well, that's apocalyptic.

1157
00:58:56,173 --> 00:58:57,493
Speaker 2: That is very apocalyptic.

1158
00:58:57,533 --> 00:58:59,813
Speaker 3: The stixsus his words are not violent. Shooting someone in

1159
00:58:59,853 --> 00:59:03,493
Speaker 3: the neck is violence. Yeah, yeah, I'm shooting someone certainly violence.

1160
00:59:03,533 --> 00:59:06,173
Speaker 3: Shooting some of the neck is violence, that's for sure.

1161
00:59:06,293 --> 00:59:08,653
Speaker 3: Mark our guys, Charlie Kirk proved himself right, just in

1162
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Speaker 3: the most devastating, sad and tractic way possible.

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Speaker 2: That's remarked. Yeah right, we're going to carry this on

1164
00:59:13,733 --> 00:59:16,293
Speaker 2: after the headline's really keen on your views of one

1165
00:59:16,373 --> 00:59:17,973
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty ten eighty. If you can't get throw

1166
00:59:17,973 --> 00:59:19,613
Speaker 2: on the phones, keep trying. And if you want to

1167
00:59:19,613 --> 00:59:22,533
Speaker 2: send a text nine two nine two headlines with Jody coming.

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Speaker 11: Up, you talks at the headlines with Blue Bubble taxis

1169
00:59:28,253 --> 00:59:31,413
Speaker 11: it's no trouble with the Blue Bubble. The suspect is

1170
00:59:31,453 --> 00:59:34,813
Speaker 11: still at large. Following the shooting and killing of conservative

1171
00:59:34,973 --> 00:59:39,933
Speaker 11: activist Charlie Kirk in the US, former Labour Cabinet minister

1172
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Speaker 11: Stuart Nash has resigned from his recruitment agency job after

1173
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Speaker 11: a remark about women aren zed reports. Nash resigned from

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00:59:48,213 --> 00:59:52,333
Speaker 11: Robert Walters after a formal review was launched following comments

1175
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Speaker 11: made during an interview on the platform. The MP for

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00:59:56,413 --> 01:00:00,773
Speaker 11: Honganui's defending not disclosing twenty five properties placed in a

1177
01:00:00,813 --> 01:00:05,413
Speaker 11: family trust trust link to National's Carl Bates own the properties.

1178
01:00:05,853 --> 01:00:09,093
Speaker 11: The government was warned its plan too bad. One install

1179
01:00:09,173 --> 01:00:12,693
Speaker 11: card surcharges was likely to raise costs for those using

1180
01:00:12,733 --> 01:00:17,293
Speaker 11: low cost methods like cash Commerce. Minister Scott Simpson announced

1181
01:00:17,333 --> 01:00:20,013
Speaker 11: the ban on sur charges like payWave. We'll be in

1182
01:00:20,053 --> 01:00:24,013
Speaker 11: place by May next year. An online fundraiser has been

1183
01:00:24,093 --> 01:00:27,333
Speaker 11: launched for a nineteen year old rugby player critically hurt

1184
01:00:27,413 --> 01:00:29,853
Speaker 11: falling from the roof of a two story duneed in

1185
01:00:29,973 --> 01:00:34,413
Speaker 11: flat in your mouth, airs everywhere, living in a post

1186
01:00:34,453 --> 01:00:38,653
Speaker 11: cyclone dust land. See the full story at nzed Harold Premium.

1187
01:00:38,893 --> 01:00:41,213
Speaker 11: Now back to Matt Heath and Tita Adams.

1188
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Jo Jody So. On the back

1189
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Speaker 2: of the assassination of Charlie Kirk at a Utah event

1190
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Speaker 2: in the US at a university campus, we're asking the question,

1191
01:00:50,973 --> 01:00:53,013
Speaker 2: are we still allowed to speak our minds here in

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01:00:53,093 --> 01:00:57,333
Speaker 2: New Zealand as respectful debate being replaced by outrage in silence?

1193
01:00:57,413 --> 01:01:00,173
Speaker 2: Or do you think you can still have a genuine

1194
01:01:00,293 --> 01:01:02,453
Speaker 2: fear discussion with someone who disagrees with you.

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Speaker 3: The six is Matt he got shot because someone had

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01:01:04,853 --> 01:01:07,453
Speaker 3: a gun, like thousands upon thousands of others every year

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01:01:07,493 --> 01:01:09,613
Speaker 3: in the USA. But he didn't give a crap about

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Speaker 3: that when he avidly argued that anyone can and should

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Speaker 3: have a gun. Literally he did say that over and

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Speaker 3: over because of tyrannical governments, while someone thought he was

1201
01:01:17,973 --> 01:01:21,213
Speaker 3: tyrannical government. So he was okay with what happened. And

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01:01:21,253 --> 01:01:24,053
Speaker 3: for the record, I agreed with most of Kirk's arguments

1203
01:01:24,093 --> 01:01:28,093
Speaker 3: except his obsession with freedom regarding guns.

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Speaker 2: Full on opinion. That is a very full on opinion.

1205
01:01:31,253 --> 01:01:33,573
Speaker 2: But keep those coming through nine two nine two. But

1206
01:01:33,653 --> 01:01:36,573
Speaker 2: you're allowed full on opinions. Yep, we love them on

1207
01:01:36,653 --> 01:01:37,653
Speaker 2: these shows.

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Speaker 3: Of Stuart Nash. Though, yes, had to step down for

1209
01:01:41,053 --> 01:01:41,733
Speaker 3: making a joke.

1210
01:01:42,293 --> 01:01:44,813
Speaker 2: I mean that kind of falls into a little bit

1211
01:01:44,813 --> 01:01:46,653
Speaker 2: of the discussion we're having right now, right that he

1212
01:01:46,693 --> 01:01:49,213
Speaker 2: has lost his job Stuart Nash. If you didn't, if

1213
01:01:49,213 --> 01:01:52,173
Speaker 2: you missed that headline story in the headlines, I should

1214
01:01:52,213 --> 01:01:55,093
Speaker 2: say that Stuart Nash has been forced to stand down

1215
01:01:55,133 --> 01:01:57,333
Speaker 2: from his job after coins made too well we know

1216
01:01:57,413 --> 01:01:59,693
Speaker 2: is that he's resigned. It's been forced to stand out.

1217
01:02:00,693 --> 01:02:02,213
Speaker 3: But what does it matter if someone just says something

1218
01:02:02,253 --> 01:02:04,413
Speaker 3: stupid and then as long as they apologize. As soon

1219
01:02:04,413 --> 01:02:06,133
Speaker 3: as they apologize, you go, okay, mate, that's all right.

1220
01:02:06,213 --> 01:02:08,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, seems a step too far to me. We

1221
01:02:08,173 --> 01:02:12,733
Speaker 2: all said something stupid, absolutely, Tom, How are you this afternoon?

1222
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

1223
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Speaker 15: Good gents, Yeah, I say something stupid pretty much every

1224
01:02:17,333 --> 01:02:19,773
Speaker 15: other day.

1225
01:02:20,173 --> 01:02:20,573
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1226
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Speaker 15: The way that we've civil discourse nowadays, it seemed to

1227
01:02:26,813 --> 01:02:32,573
Speaker 15: have evaporated, whether it's coal mining, whether it's dairying, dairy farmers.

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Speaker 8: There.

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Speaker 15: Once upon a time when a certain group were in power,

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01:02:35,973 --> 01:02:39,853
Speaker 15: they were called dirty dairying. Now that they now that

1231
01:02:39,933 --> 01:02:42,653
Speaker 15: we need the funds coming in from them, everything's tickety boo.

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Speaker 15: It's yeah, it's a shame. And that's just on that

1233
01:02:46,573 --> 01:02:52,813
Speaker 15: aspect of society. We've had people Yummy em Andy come

1234
01:02:52,853 --> 01:02:55,693
Speaker 15: over to the country to try and get in and

1235
01:02:55,853 --> 01:02:58,293
Speaker 15: he got he got hounded out, or he didn't even

1236
01:02:58,293 --> 01:03:01,613
Speaker 15: get past the border. He did make it back later on.

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Speaker 15: But yeah, and I think that the media, you guys

1238
01:03:06,893 --> 01:03:09,493
Speaker 15: are actually very good, but the media in this country

1239
01:03:09,493 --> 01:03:12,893
Speaker 15: can be very one sided, and I think they have

1240
01:03:12,933 --> 01:03:15,853
Speaker 15: a lot to answer for. They should be able to

1241
01:03:15,893 --> 01:03:21,013
Speaker 15: find middle ground. Yeah, it's a shame. And what went

1242
01:03:21,053 --> 01:03:27,373
Speaker 15: on today being a conservative white Christians, it's an occupational

1243
01:03:27,453 --> 01:03:28,493
Speaker 15: has it by the sounds of it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So, just going back to you mentioned the outrage

1245
01:03:34,013 --> 01:03:36,093
Speaker 2: towards farming in New Zealand and it was clearly there

1246
01:03:36,133 --> 01:03:38,853
Speaker 2: for some time. Are you speaking as a farmaton Are

1247
01:03:38,893 --> 01:03:40,093
Speaker 2: you in that industry yourself?

1248
01:03:40,853 --> 01:03:43,613
Speaker 15: I'm no, no, but I've got plenty of friends that are.

1249
01:03:44,173 --> 01:03:44,373
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1250
01:03:44,413 --> 01:03:47,093
Speaker 2: Well, the reason I asked that is I can absolutely

1251
01:03:47,133 --> 01:03:50,093
Speaker 2: see why that resentment bubbled up is that hard working

1252
01:03:50,133 --> 01:03:53,013
Speaker 2: farmers and no doubt they work incredibly hard and they

1253
01:03:53,053 --> 01:03:55,653
Speaker 2: do incredible things for this country. And then at that

1254
01:03:55,693 --> 01:03:57,973
Speaker 2: point in time and hopefully that started to change. To

1255
01:03:58,053 --> 01:04:00,773
Speaker 2: then go to a party or go into a pub

1256
01:04:00,893 --> 01:04:03,453
Speaker 2: and someone who's not a farmer looks at you with disdain.

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01:04:03,533 --> 01:04:05,613
Speaker 2: That is a horrible place to be as a society.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, especially when you've been working. You're working all day

1259
01:04:10,573 --> 01:04:12,453
Speaker 15: and you go down there to relax. It's the last

1260
01:04:12,453 --> 01:04:15,373
Speaker 15: thing you need is a joke flowing at or what

1261
01:04:15,373 --> 01:04:19,413
Speaker 15: have you, or someone blue haired rinse here person getting

1262
01:04:19,413 --> 01:04:21,413
Speaker 15: all up in arms. And it's seems that come from

1263
01:04:21,413 --> 01:04:25,373
Speaker 15: one direction to nowadays. Not to say that people on

1264
01:04:25,413 --> 01:04:30,173
Speaker 15: the conservative side don't have their problems, but it seems

1265
01:04:30,173 --> 01:04:33,693
Speaker 15: to have become non debatable and it's very very sad,

1266
01:04:34,173 --> 01:04:36,533
Speaker 15: and people have got to take a take a step back,

1267
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Speaker 15: take a breather.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing, Tom, you know, whether you strongly disagree

1269
01:04:44,053 --> 01:04:47,253
Speaker 3: with someone or not, taking a step back, taking a

1270
01:04:47,293 --> 01:04:50,933
Speaker 3: breather and formulating your argument and pitching your best argument

1271
01:04:51,133 --> 01:04:52,973
Speaker 3: at them and then listening to their argument and then

1272
01:04:52,973 --> 01:04:56,773
Speaker 3: pitching your argument back. I mean, that's really the way forward.

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01:04:56,813 --> 01:04:59,053
Speaker 2: Isn't it. I mean, and if you can't do that,

1274
01:04:59,133 --> 01:05:00,253
Speaker 2: then how good is your argument?

1275
01:05:00,333 --> 01:05:00,613
Speaker 7: Really?

1276
01:05:00,813 --> 01:05:04,893
Speaker 3: If you can't listen to the opposing argument quietly and

1277
01:05:04,933 --> 01:05:08,173
Speaker 3: then when they're finished speaking, give your argument and defeat

1278
01:05:08,213 --> 01:05:11,733
Speaker 3: them with your logic, then what are you really doing?

1279
01:05:11,733 --> 01:05:13,373
Speaker 3: What do you really believe in? You know, what are

1280
01:05:13,373 --> 01:05:14,133
Speaker 3: you really fighting for?

1281
01:05:14,133 --> 01:05:18,973
Speaker 2: If you can't do that theology? Yeah, no, thank you

1282
01:05:19,093 --> 01:05:21,733
Speaker 2: very And it should be enjoyable. Absolutely. You know, we've all,

1283
01:05:21,773 --> 01:05:24,573
Speaker 2: I'm hoping many people out there that have had genuine

1284
01:05:24,573 --> 01:05:28,253
Speaker 2: good debates that at the end it is enjoyable and

1285
01:05:28,293 --> 01:05:30,573
Speaker 2: you grow and you learn things that you didn't know

1286
01:05:30,653 --> 01:05:33,773
Speaker 2: before and you accept actually you've got information I didn't have.

1287
01:05:34,093 --> 01:05:34,893
Speaker 2: Isn't that a good thing?

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01:05:35,653 --> 01:05:38,493
Speaker 3: The sex is sooner your listener learned. Guns don't kill people.

1289
01:05:38,493 --> 01:05:40,773
Speaker 3: They don't get up and decide, oh, I'm going to

1290
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Speaker 3: kill someone today. I mean, that's a good point. Guns don't.

1291
01:05:43,893 --> 01:05:45,813
Speaker 3: But I'm a little bit terrified after watching that episode

1292
01:05:45,853 --> 01:05:49,213
Speaker 3: of Black Mirror where they had that AI dog gun.

1293
01:05:49,333 --> 01:05:51,573
Speaker 2: Oh that thing, so that was unstoppable.

1294
01:05:52,413 --> 01:05:54,213
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, we're going to live in a time some point

1295
01:05:54,373 --> 01:05:57,093
Speaker 3: where guns are going to get up and go to kill.

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Speaker 2: That thing is terrifying, right, it is nineteen to three,

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Speaker 2: but we're taking your calls on oh, eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty fair debate in New Zealand? Does it

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Speaker 2: still exist? Keen to get your views?

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Speaker 3: The sextis says are roading fast? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: We literally have laws preventing free speech. Okay, news to me,

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Speaker 3: all right, Matt.

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Speaker 1: Heath, Taylor Adams taking your calls on oh eight hundred

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Speaker 1: and eighty ten eighty. It's Mad Heath and Taylor Adams afternoons.

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Speaker 2: News talks be it is seventeen to two three? Is

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Speaker 2: fair debates still alive and well in New Zealand? Love

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on this nine two ninety two is the

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Speaker 2: text and so many have come through over the past.

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Speaker 3: Aaron, A bit absolutely piling. And you have the right

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Speaker 3: to your opinion. You don't have the right to force

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Speaker 3: it upon others, nor silence the opinion of others. My

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Speaker 3: opinions of mine. If you like them, great, if you don't, great, cheers.

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Speaker 2: Bop Okay's problematically said, yeah, I can agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, you you have a right to share

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Speaker 3: your opinions in public, but I mean forcing them on

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Speaker 3: someone else. I mean, what does that entail Marching into

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Speaker 3: the house and standing in front of the TV and

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Speaker 3: yelling at them where they're trying to watch the news.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, water boarding them with your reckons. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 2: bit too far.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you kind of do have the right in

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Speaker 3: the way. I mean, there's the right of protest. You know,

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Speaker 3: there's been a number of times where I've come in

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Speaker 3: to work and there's been people with placards that have

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Speaker 3: shouted abuse at me for nothing that I've ever done

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Speaker 3: or anything revolt related to me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that is a weird situation.

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Speaker 3: But I wouldn't have called the police and said, can

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Speaker 3: you remove these protesters? They seem to be abusing me

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Speaker 3: over nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, you kind of do have the right to

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Speaker 3: force your your opinion on people to a certain extent

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Speaker 3: with a reason.

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Speaker 2: But you can walk away as well, right, And I

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Speaker 2: suppose if we go back to the Charlie Kirk incident,

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Speaker 2: everybody who was at that rally was there to listen

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Speaker 2: or to debate them. They could have walked away at

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Speaker 2: any stage. He wasn't forcing anybody to stay there and

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Speaker 2: engage with what he had to say.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the definition of a rally because it wasn't

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Speaker 3: a political rally, was it. It was a It was

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Speaker 3: a campus debate. Yeah, what does he put on his tents?

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Speaker 3: He put it proved me wrong?

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Speaker 2: With me wrong?

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Speaker 3: So he sets up a tent. You can come and

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Speaker 3: try and prove them wrong. There's a mic for him,

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Speaker 3: there's a mic for for anyone that wants to try

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Speaker 3: and prove them wrong.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Right, So I think rally not the right word. Yeah cool, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh one hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to

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Speaker 2: call Love to hear your thoughts about free debate in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: Hey, guys, free speech is definitely an important part of

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01:08:19,333 --> 01:08:21,933
Speaker 3: any society, but people need to understand that free of

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Speaker 3: speech does not mean freedom from scrutiny. Just because you

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Speaker 3: have an opinion doesn't mean you shouldn't be held to

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Speaker 3: account for it. Dan, that's absolutely right.

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Speaker 2: Mitchell. Welcome to the show. Hello Mitchell, Yeah, hello, hello,

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Speaker 2: hello Mitchell. We can hear you now you go.

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Speaker 8: Hey, how are you doing good?

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Speaker 2: Oh Mitchell's gone again. Oh sorry, just hold there, Mitchell.

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Speaker 2: We're going to reset because your phone's coming in and out,

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01:08:50,333 --> 01:08:53,213
Speaker 2: so hopefully that's come right now what's your thoughts about

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Speaker 2: free debate?

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Speaker 4: Oh, look, I just don't think we're able to have

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Speaker 4: the New Zealand at the moment people get a scene

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Speaker 4: of too easily.

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Speaker 16: But look, I just want to say that.

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Speaker 3: He's just been censored. He's just talking about how we

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Speaker 3: can't have free debate. And then whoever runs is whatever

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Speaker 3: tailcut he's signed up to is cut him out.

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Speaker 2: Spark votafone one of them, two degrees. Shame on you.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a conspiratorial guy, but I think Mitchell was

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Speaker 3: being taken down by ESTELLCA.

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Speaker 2: That's the problem.

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Speaker 3: We'll try and get you back, Mitchells. Want to hear

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Speaker 3: what you have to say.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, let's have a chance to stand get

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Speaker 2: a stand.

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Speaker 17: Away, guys. I think what Charlie kirk Kirk has suffered

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Speaker 17: as the ultimate mob veto. We're seeing this kind of veto,

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Speaker 17: though not so violently in New Zealand. I remember when

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Speaker 17: Cosey Parker tried to give a speech in the park

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Speaker 17: in Auckland and the behavior by the those who opposed her,

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Speaker 17: the so called progressive liberals, was disgusting. In fact, somebody

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Speaker 17: got charged and prosecuted for assault at that time as well.

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Speaker 17: And unfortunately this is occurring in New Zealand as well,

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Speaker 17: and what has happened to Charlie will have a chilling

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Speaker 17: effect on free speech. I'm a phrase in New Zealand

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Speaker 17: and especially in America in other countries. Where were you

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Speaker 17: seeing seeing this in Britain where you post something pretty

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Speaker 17: innocious on Facebook and the police a knocking on your

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Speaker 17: door because somebody was offended.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Graham.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about Graham Lyne and particularly he was arrested

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Speaker 3: at an airport by five police recently the father ted

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Speaker 3: co creator for for some some posts he put up

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Speaker 3: on x He's actually just tweeted today. They couldn't beat

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Speaker 3: him in debate, so they shot him. So he's still.

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Speaker 2: He's stay firing some bombs, isn't he?

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Speaker 14: Isn't it the truth?

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Speaker 11: I mean?

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Speaker 17: And I picked up what your earlier callers David and

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Speaker 17: Coleen were saying was, oh, well, look, you know, I

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Speaker 17: don't agree that Charlie should have been assassinated, but really

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Speaker 17: he said mean things. I mean, hello, he said mean things. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 17: it's this sort of thinking it doesn't matter how then

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01:11:15,532 --> 01:11:17,933
Speaker 17: somebody might say something doesn't mean that they deserve to

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Speaker 17: be shot.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I also think it is if you don't agree with

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Speaker 2: what Charlie Kirk was saying, or it doesn't really matter

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Speaker 2: who is giving their views. I think it's almost kind

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Speaker 2: of self defeating because and I've said it earlier and

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Speaker 2: I'll say it again, those views exist out there. So

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Speaker 2: by shouting them down and refusing to listen to them

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Speaker 2: and saying that those people are idiot or morally inferior

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Speaker 2: or wrong, just causes that resentment and that division to grow,

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Speaker 2: and those people to get angrier and angrier, and that

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Speaker 2: causes more problems for those who are trying to shut

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Speaker 2: it down. Well, it's Graham.

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Speaker 3: Lenehand just said, tweeted recently, they just created a million

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Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk's exactly.

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Speaker 2: You don't shut you.

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Speaker 3: Don't generally get rid of the opinions by suppressing them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: Well, I mean the thing is that they couldn't they

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Speaker 17: couldn't match it, you know, in debate, and that's and

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Speaker 17: that's the problem with a lot of the so called

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Speaker 17: progressives because a lot of their ideologies I'm pretty flawed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, cool, Stan, thank you very much. I think we've

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Speaker 2: got Mitchell back.

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Speaker 3: Mitchell hopefully not being suppressed by your Telco anymore, and

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Speaker 3: we can hear you.

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Speaker 4: No, no, I'll be having a debate with them at

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Speaker 4: some point.

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Speaker 8: Listen.

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Speaker 6: I was.

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Speaker 8: I was incredibly sad.

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Speaker 4: And when I heard the news about Charlie, you know,

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Speaker 4: lunchtime today, I was actually watching him on Facebook this

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Speaker 4: morning from my hotel room in Wellington. And you know,

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01:12:47,572 --> 01:12:51,052
Speaker 4: and he wasn't the video I was watching wasn't actually

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Speaker 4: about him debating.

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Speaker 8: You know what.

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Speaker 4: He was giving some really good solid advice to a

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Speaker 4: young girl at the microphone. And she said, look, my

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01:12:58,372 --> 01:13:01,093
Speaker 4: parents are my parents are apart. My mom has one

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01:13:01,133 --> 01:13:04,253
Speaker 4: political view, my dad has another. How do I how

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Speaker 4: do I how do I navigate that? Do I lean

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Speaker 4: toward my mum? Do I lean toward my dad? And

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01:13:10,293 --> 01:13:12,412
Speaker 4: you know, and he said, he just said, she gave

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Speaker 4: some really good advice.

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Speaker 18: Is like, you know.

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Speaker 4: The first thing was he talked about talked about from

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Speaker 4: a biblical point of view, honor your mother and father,

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Speaker 4: right and and and that's a that's a principle I

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Speaker 4: do believe in. But he went on to basically say, listen,

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Speaker 4: you you need to you need to have an inquiry

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Speaker 4: mind and form your own view about what you want

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Speaker 4: to believe in, and then when you're engaging with your

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Speaker 4: mom and your dad, you're able to then put across

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Speaker 4: what you think you believe in. So you don't have

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Speaker 4: to side with your mom. If you if you, if you,

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Speaker 4: if that's what you believe, go for it. If you

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Speaker 4: believe what your dad thinks, go for it. But you

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Speaker 4: actually have to not please mom and dad in terms

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Speaker 4: of falling under their political thoughts, but develop your own thoughts.

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Speaker 4: And I just thought it was really good. So he

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Speaker 4: wasn't debating her. She was actually not of voting age.

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Speaker 4: She was looking she's looking for information. She wanted to

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Speaker 4: be able to make a decision about her own political views,

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Speaker 4: and so he was giving her advice around that. It

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Speaker 4: wasn't even debating. I thought it was really great the

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Speaker 4: way he went about that. He didn't belittle her. He

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Speaker 4: didn't say, well, listen, you need you should lean one

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Speaker 4: way or the other. He was like, really solid advice.

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Speaker 4: You need to do some fact finding and come to

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Speaker 4: your own conclusions. And I just thought that that was

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Speaker 4: really good. So for all the debates he had out there,

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Speaker 4: I think being able to just offer really good, solid

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Speaker 4: sound advice to a young girl at the microphone. I

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Speaker 4: just thought that was great, and that's the video that

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Speaker 4: I was watching this morning, and like I said, I

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Speaker 4: was really saddened by what I've heard today. And to

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Speaker 4: answer your question about what happens here in New Zealand,

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Speaker 4: I think it's become increasingly difficult us to have an open, transparent,

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01:15:12,452 --> 01:15:18,133
Speaker 4: civil conversation with people. You know, I've literally been estranged

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Speaker 4: from relatives and family members because of differing views around

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Speaker 4: you know, transgender and homosexuality.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and a lot of people would be in that

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Speaker 2: situation as well, Mitchell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry to cut you off, but we have some

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Speaker 3: ads arriving like a steam train to shut us down.

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Speaker 2: We certainly do back very soon.

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Speaker 1: The issues that affect you, and a bit of fun

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Speaker 1: along the way. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 3: We're running out of time, but I just want to

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01:15:50,093 --> 01:15:51,892
Speaker 3: say I believe free speech is important, not just for

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01:15:51,933 --> 01:15:54,253
Speaker 3: the speaker, but for the listener. You need to know

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01:15:54,293 --> 01:15:56,333
Speaker 3: what the other people think so you can challenge and

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01:15:56,412 --> 01:15:59,213
Speaker 3: test what you believe. You may disagree with ninety percent

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01:15:59,253 --> 01:16:02,253
Speaker 3: of it, but someone might say something that adds to

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01:16:02,333 --> 01:16:05,972
Speaker 3: your life or encourage everyone to steal man the views

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01:16:06,013 --> 01:16:08,253
Speaker 3: of those they disagree with, or so i'd add. A

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Speaker 3: thirty one year old father of two who loved his

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01:16:10,253 --> 01:16:12,692
Speaker 3: kids as dead, which is very sad no matter what

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Speaker 3: you think of his beliefs.

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Speaker 2: Well he was here.

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Speaker 3: New Zealand will be a better place if we don't

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01:16:16,692 --> 01:16:19,452
Speaker 3: end up where America is, where people are killed for

1515
01:16:19,492 --> 01:16:22,492
Speaker 3: publicly sharing their beliefs, whatever those beliefs happen to be.

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01:16:22,652 --> 01:16:25,372
Speaker 2: Yeah, great discussion. Thank you to everybody who joined in

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01:16:25,412 --> 01:16:28,613
Speaker 2: on that one. Coming up after three o'clock. Sharing passwords

1518
01:16:28,612 --> 01:16:32,052
Speaker 2: with your partner a sign of trust or a boundary cross.

1519
01:16:32,093 --> 01:16:33,852
Speaker 2: This is going to be a good chat. This one

1520
01:16:33,933 --> 01:16:36,973
Speaker 2: might be even more controversial than the last two hours. Spicy.

1521
01:16:38,213 --> 01:16:39,852
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred and eighty ten eighty is a number

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01:16:39,853 --> 01:16:42,092
Speaker 2: to call. Stay right here, will be back for shortly.

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01:16:47,853 --> 01:16:52,333
Speaker 1: Your new home are instateful and entertaining talk. It's Mattie

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01:16:52,372 --> 01:16:55,732
Speaker 1: and Taylor Adams afternoons on news Talk.

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01:16:55,572 --> 01:16:59,972
Speaker 2: Sebby afternoon to you, welcome back into the program. Awesome

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01:17:00,013 --> 01:17:03,732
Speaker 2: to company as always at a seven past three. Now,

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01:17:03,772 --> 01:17:06,933
Speaker 2: this is going to be a spicy hour of conversation

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01:17:07,333 --> 01:17:10,852
Speaker 2: of fair debate, hopefully reasonable debates. It might even be

1529
01:17:10,893 --> 01:17:13,173
Speaker 2: more confronting than the last two hours in conversation. I

1530
01:17:13,213 --> 01:17:15,572
Speaker 2: think it may be so. Doctor John Deloney, here's a

1531
01:17:15,612 --> 01:17:18,532
Speaker 2: renowned year West relationship expert. He was on the Modern

1532
01:17:18,692 --> 01:17:22,132
Speaker 2: Wisdom podcast with Chris Williamson. This is a massive podcast

1533
01:17:22,253 --> 01:17:25,572
Speaker 2: listen to tens, if not hundreds of millions of millions

1534
01:17:25,612 --> 01:17:27,572
Speaker 2: of people around the world. But they were talking about

1535
01:17:27,612 --> 01:17:31,852
Speaker 2: how to build a thriving relationship, and very quickly they

1536
01:17:31,933 --> 01:17:34,973
Speaker 2: ventured into a question should your partner know all of

1537
01:17:35,013 --> 01:17:35,893
Speaker 2: your passwords?

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01:17:36,213 --> 01:17:38,772
Speaker 5: If you are married, your spouse should have all of

1539
01:17:38,772 --> 01:17:41,652
Speaker 5: the codes to your phones, email accounts, and social media accounts,

1540
01:17:41,692 --> 01:17:43,892
Speaker 5: and you should have that as period. If your spouse

1541
01:17:43,933 --> 01:17:46,372
Speaker 5: isn't trustworthy, are safe? You need to head directly into

1542
01:17:46,372 --> 01:17:49,253
Speaker 5: this challenge asap. You're worthy of safety and peace. If

1543
01:17:49,293 --> 01:17:51,612
Speaker 5: you're hiding things from your spouse, let today be your

1544
01:17:51,652 --> 01:17:54,572
Speaker 5: independence day from secret, shame and fear. You are worth

1545
01:17:54,692 --> 01:17:57,932
Speaker 5: finally taking a full deep bra. How do people respond

1546
01:17:57,933 --> 01:17:58,173
Speaker 5: to that?

1547
01:17:58,253 --> 01:17:58,412
Speaker 8: Oh?

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01:17:58,412 --> 01:18:04,012
Speaker 2: Well, man, let's go, Well, dude, yeah, let's go, let's go.

1549
01:18:04,333 --> 01:18:06,933
Speaker 2: I mean you can see by the response of the

1550
01:18:06,973 --> 01:18:09,852
Speaker 2: host there it is an comfortable discussion for a lot

1551
01:18:09,853 --> 01:18:12,732
Speaker 2: of people. The sharing the unbridled sharing of all your

1552
01:18:12,732 --> 01:18:15,532
Speaker 2: passwords to all your devices for your partner or your

1553
01:18:15,572 --> 01:18:18,572
Speaker 2: spouse to go through willy nilly. Where do you sit

1554
01:18:18,612 --> 01:18:19,173
Speaker 2: on this mat?

1555
01:18:19,893 --> 01:18:20,053
Speaker 7: What?

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01:18:20,053 --> 01:18:21,892
Speaker 2: What do you got to hide? Tyler? That's what I say.

1557
01:18:21,973 --> 01:18:23,452
Speaker 2: What have you got to hide? People out there?

1558
01:18:23,532 --> 01:18:26,213
Speaker 3: What would be possibly the reason why you wouldn't allow

1559
01:18:26,372 --> 01:18:28,452
Speaker 3: your partner to have access.

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01:18:28,093 --> 01:18:32,492
Speaker 2: To to your to your stuff. I mean, look, there

1561
01:18:32,532 --> 01:18:34,973
Speaker 2: are spicy WhatsApp.

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01:18:34,612 --> 01:18:36,612
Speaker 3: Threads that I meant with my friends where we just

1563
01:18:36,612 --> 01:18:39,012
Speaker 3: try and be as offensive as we can to each other.

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01:18:39,093 --> 01:18:41,173
Speaker 2: Yep, and they've just got no doubt of that. There's

1565
01:18:41,253 --> 01:18:42,612
Speaker 2: absolute career enders in there.

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01:18:42,692 --> 01:18:46,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't think my partner doesn't know that

1567
01:18:46,253 --> 01:18:47,612
Speaker 3: there's that side of me exists.

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01:18:48,093 --> 01:18:50,053
Speaker 2: Has she seen them? Has she ventured into there? You

1569
01:18:50,053 --> 01:18:50,972
Speaker 2: wouldn't care if she did.

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01:18:51,652 --> 01:18:54,013
Speaker 3: If there's a really really spicy one, I'll share it.

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01:18:55,133 --> 01:18:59,173
Speaker 3: But I mean there's people in some threads that I'm

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01:18:59,213 --> 01:19:01,492
Speaker 3: involved that regularly delete them that these can't, this, this

1573
01:19:01,612 --> 01:19:02,213
Speaker 3: thread can't.

1574
01:19:03,612 --> 01:19:05,973
Speaker 2: I've been there before. I've been there before.

1575
01:19:05,933 --> 01:19:08,732
Speaker 3: Because because what people don't understand is that you're not

1576
01:19:08,772 --> 01:19:11,692
Speaker 3: saying what you think you're saying the most offensive thing

1577
01:19:11,732 --> 01:19:16,213
Speaker 3: you can to shock and annoy your friend. Yeah, in

1578
01:19:16,253 --> 01:19:18,612
Speaker 3: your group, and then there's certain everyone's got them.

1579
01:19:18,612 --> 01:19:22,732
Speaker 2: There's certain WhatsApp threads that are just rolling. You know,

1580
01:19:22,812 --> 01:19:25,812
Speaker 2: you have to have a shower after you've engaged in them. Yeah, yeah,

1581
01:19:25,973 --> 01:19:27,372
Speaker 2: well but that's part of it.

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01:19:28,133 --> 01:19:30,532
Speaker 3: But I guess what I'm saying is, you know, if

1583
01:19:30,532 --> 01:19:34,772
Speaker 3: you trust someone, then you say, look, if there's areas

1584
01:19:34,812 --> 01:19:37,372
Speaker 3: that you don't want your partner to look at, you know,

1585
01:19:37,372 --> 01:19:40,452
Speaker 3: I say, I prefer if this family chat, for example.

1586
01:19:41,013 --> 01:19:42,772
Speaker 2: Is not it's not you don't look at.

1587
01:19:42,652 --> 01:19:47,092
Speaker 3: That, because that's I mean, because it goes both ways, right, Tyler.

1588
01:19:47,452 --> 01:19:51,973
Speaker 3: I don't have any interest in going through my partner's.

1589
01:19:51,572 --> 01:19:54,973
Speaker 2: Stuff, Yes, carry on, I've absolutely no interest in it

1590
01:19:55,013 --> 01:19:55,253
Speaker 2: at all.

1591
01:19:55,293 --> 01:19:57,333
Speaker 3: And I assume she's got no interest in going through

1592
01:19:57,372 --> 01:19:59,333
Speaker 3: my stuff, So why would I try and hide it.

1593
01:19:59,732 --> 01:20:02,132
Speaker 3: I think I think she could find nothing more boring

1594
01:20:02,173 --> 01:20:05,053
Speaker 3: than going through and I think she'd probably find out

1595
01:20:05,053 --> 01:20:07,013
Speaker 3: that I was way nerdier than she thought when she

1596
01:20:07,053 --> 01:20:10,252
Speaker 3: went into the intense save with my friends about movies,

1597
01:20:10,372 --> 01:20:11,173
Speaker 3: and you.

1598
01:20:11,133 --> 01:20:13,492
Speaker 2: Know that is dangerous. I remember once when I.

1599
01:20:13,452 --> 01:20:16,572
Speaker 3: Was at university, my girlfriend came home and she found

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01:20:16,572 --> 01:20:19,572
Speaker 3: me and my flatmates and dressed in costumes, are under

1601
01:20:19,933 --> 01:20:23,372
Speaker 3: sitting around a candle playing dungeons and dragons and cows.

1602
01:20:24,133 --> 01:20:24,972
Speaker 2: And she said to.

1603
01:20:24,933 --> 01:20:27,532
Speaker 3: Me, I wish I'd have preferred to walk in and

1604
01:20:27,572 --> 01:20:29,692
Speaker 3: find you cheating on me with another woman and seeing

1605
01:20:30,532 --> 01:20:32,772
Speaker 3: seeing this nerdy display.

1606
01:20:31,973 --> 01:20:36,972
Speaker 2: She's not right, But hence my points so that you've

1607
01:20:37,013 --> 01:20:40,853
Speaker 2: got no interest in going into your partner's Facebook messages,

1608
01:20:41,013 --> 01:20:44,293
Speaker 2: into her phone to see who she's got texting and

1609
01:20:44,572 --> 01:20:46,492
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong here. But the reason you've

1610
01:20:46,492 --> 01:20:48,532
Speaker 2: got no interest is one you probably will find it

1611
01:20:48,572 --> 01:20:51,892
Speaker 2: really boring, but also the trust is there, so there's

1612
01:20:51,893 --> 01:20:54,932
Speaker 2: no need to Yeah. Yeah, so that is my point.

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01:20:54,973 --> 01:20:57,572
Speaker 2: So Mabe does have my password to my phone. She

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01:20:57,612 --> 01:20:59,412
Speaker 2: can go in any time she likes, but she can't

1615
01:20:59,492 --> 01:21:02,452
Speaker 2: take it away because still there's that element of I

1616
01:21:02,492 --> 01:21:05,813
Speaker 2: still think there's I still need an element of privacy

1617
01:21:06,412 --> 01:21:07,493
Speaker 2: even and our.

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01:21:07,372 --> 01:21:10,573
Speaker 3: As she tried to take it for a forensic examination

1619
01:21:10,652 --> 01:21:12,052
Speaker 3: of what you've been up to, well.

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01:21:12,013 --> 01:21:15,572
Speaker 2: She she's delved into the Facebook messages when she so

1621
01:21:15,692 --> 01:21:18,013
Speaker 2: she says, can I just have your phone because I

1622
01:21:18,093 --> 01:21:20,452
Speaker 2: just want to have a look at a recipe that

1623
01:21:20,452 --> 01:21:21,812
Speaker 2: we were talking about the other night and I had

1624
01:21:21,853 --> 01:21:23,812
Speaker 2: it on my phone and then I see you go

1625
01:21:23,893 --> 01:21:26,573
Speaker 2: into the weing messages and then she just start scrolling

1626
01:21:26,652 --> 01:21:29,213
Speaker 2: down and just having a look and see what else

1627
01:21:29,253 --> 01:21:30,253
Speaker 2: has been going on and.

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01:21:30,133 --> 01:21:32,932
Speaker 3: Has she come across? And he texts me messages from

1629
01:21:32,933 --> 01:21:35,692
Speaker 3: your girlfriend that you've got on the side. I mean,

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01:21:35,772 --> 01:21:36,812
Speaker 3: are you cheating on it?

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01:21:36,933 --> 01:21:39,492
Speaker 2: Definitely not cheating. I mean, you know I love.

1632
01:21:39,412 --> 01:21:41,772
Speaker 3: You, not cheating? Is that kind of like Bill Clinton?

1633
01:21:41,853 --> 01:21:43,972
Speaker 3: I did not have sexual relations with that woman. You're saying,

1634
01:21:44,013 --> 01:21:47,493
Speaker 3: definitely not cheating. Is there another woman in your life romantically?

1635
01:21:47,732 --> 01:21:47,932
Speaker 11: No?

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01:21:48,053 --> 01:21:50,412
Speaker 2: I mean, Mave would would leave me at a heartbeat,

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01:21:50,412 --> 01:21:52,213
Speaker 2: I think, and I couldn't afford that, mate. I could

1638
01:21:52,293 --> 01:21:55,693
Speaker 2: not afford Pave to leave me. But financially, yeah, well,

1639
01:21:56,053 --> 01:22:00,173
Speaker 2: all accounts, all accounts, she's the only Yeah, it's so romantic,

1640
01:22:00,412 --> 01:22:04,253
Speaker 2: but she has found sort of conversations that taken out

1641
01:22:04,253 --> 01:22:06,892
Speaker 2: of context, and then the questions start coming up and say, oh,

1642
01:22:06,893 --> 01:22:09,812
Speaker 2: what does this mean? What's going on here? And then

1643
01:22:10,013 --> 01:22:12,812
Speaker 2: that mistrust starts to kind of see itself and say,

1644
01:22:12,893 --> 01:22:15,012
Speaker 2: you're reading too much into this. There's enough thing going

1645
01:22:15,053 --> 01:22:18,572
Speaker 2: on here. This is just a weird guys group chat

1646
01:22:18,652 --> 01:22:21,293
Speaker 2: that it looks like quite dark humor because it is,

1647
01:22:21,572 --> 01:22:23,213
Speaker 2: but you don't have to worry about it. It's nothing

1648
01:22:23,253 --> 01:22:26,652
Speaker 2: about her. It's just some weird humor that she stumbled

1649
01:22:26,652 --> 01:22:30,333
Speaker 2: across that I'd just rather not have to explain.

1650
01:22:30,612 --> 01:22:32,732
Speaker 3: Well, I think you have to worry more about your mates.

1651
01:22:33,053 --> 01:22:34,852
Speaker 3: I mean, there's been a lot of occasions in my life

1652
01:22:34,893 --> 01:22:36,293
Speaker 3: and I've done it to my friends where you leave

1653
01:22:36,293 --> 01:22:39,053
Speaker 3: your phone on the table and then or you know,

1654
01:22:39,133 --> 01:22:41,932
Speaker 3: go to the bathroom, leave your phone there it's open,

1655
01:22:42,213 --> 01:22:46,013
Speaker 3: and then suddenly a bunch of tweets come out and

1656
01:22:46,053 --> 01:22:48,692
Speaker 3: some text messages go out of shocking content when they

1657
01:22:48,893 --> 01:22:49,692
Speaker 3: try and humiliate you.

1658
01:22:49,772 --> 01:22:52,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the danger because I don't trust my friends,

1659
01:22:52,293 --> 01:22:54,652
Speaker 2: but I do trust my partner. Yeah. Oh, one hundred

1660
01:22:54,812 --> 01:22:57,093
Speaker 2: eighty ten eighty. How do you feel about this one?

1661
01:22:57,133 --> 01:23:01,492
Speaker 2: Do you share wholeheartedly, unbridled your passwords to all of

1662
01:23:01,492 --> 01:23:04,053
Speaker 2: your devices with your spouse or your partner? What do

1663
01:23:04,133 --> 01:23:06,653
Speaker 2: you think there still needs to be an elemental modicum

1664
01:23:06,692 --> 01:23:09,532
Speaker 2: of privacy in your life, even if you're not hiding anything,

1665
01:23:10,013 --> 01:23:12,212
Speaker 2: just the ability to hold some things to yourself.

1666
01:23:12,612 --> 01:23:14,732
Speaker 3: What are you saying to your partner when you say

1667
01:23:14,772 --> 01:23:20,613
Speaker 3: to her or him, I will not share my passwords

1668
01:23:20,612 --> 01:23:22,812
Speaker 3: with you, and I will not allow you into my phone.

1669
01:23:23,093 --> 01:23:26,652
Speaker 3: This Texas says wise to use a Berna phone whilst

1670
01:23:26,692 --> 01:23:28,012
Speaker 3: leaving your real phone on the counter.

1671
01:23:28,492 --> 01:23:31,412
Speaker 2: Okay, that is a strategy right now. Thank you very

1672
01:23:31,492 --> 01:23:33,372
Speaker 2: much for that. Keep those things giving it on nine

1673
01:23:33,372 --> 01:23:36,412
Speaker 2: two nine to two. So sharing log and info with

1674
01:23:36,452 --> 01:23:38,932
Speaker 2: your significant other does it build trust or does it

1675
01:23:38,933 --> 01:23:42,133
Speaker 2: blur important lines? Love to hear from you his talk

1676
01:23:42,213 --> 01:23:45,372
Speaker 2: zid be so is given your partner your phone password

1677
01:23:45,412 --> 01:23:47,852
Speaker 2: an act of love or a privacy red flag? O

1678
01:23:47,893 --> 01:23:49,532
Speaker 2: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number

1679
01:23:49,492 --> 01:23:52,173
Speaker 2: to call. Janine, Welcome to the show.

1680
01:23:52,812 --> 01:23:53,652
Speaker 19: Hey, how are you?

1681
01:23:53,853 --> 01:23:56,372
Speaker 3: What do you think about sharing passwords and such with

1682
01:23:56,492 --> 01:23:57,092
Speaker 3: your partner?

1683
01:23:58,013 --> 01:24:00,652
Speaker 19: Passwords not an issue. We have the same pass code

1684
01:24:00,692 --> 01:24:02,852
Speaker 19: so that he doesn't have to remember mine and I

1685
01:24:02,853 --> 01:24:07,372
Speaker 19: don't have to remember her. Brilliant No easy, just preace k.

1686
01:24:07,652 --> 01:24:10,133
Speaker 19: The kids know, we know it. There's never the kids

1687
01:24:10,173 --> 01:24:13,092
Speaker 19: have to have the same thing. Have access to everybody,

1688
01:24:13,253 --> 01:24:13,852
Speaker 19: nothing hidden.

1689
01:24:14,093 --> 01:24:16,452
Speaker 3: Have you ever gone on a fact finding mission into

1690
01:24:16,492 --> 01:24:21,093
Speaker 3: your partner's social media texts and such? Have you ever

1691
01:24:21,173 --> 01:24:22,692
Speaker 3: gone in there looking for information?

1692
01:24:24,253 --> 01:24:24,372
Speaker 7: No?

1693
01:24:24,452 --> 01:24:26,932
Speaker 19: I don't need to. If I needed to, it wouldn't

1694
01:24:26,933 --> 01:24:29,853
Speaker 19: be an issue. But no, I have a separate bank account.

1695
01:24:30,213 --> 01:24:32,973
Speaker 19: Oh yeah, I can buy things for the kids or

1696
01:24:33,652 --> 01:24:35,972
Speaker 19: you know that sort of stuff, because he's quite money focused.

1697
01:24:36,213 --> 01:24:42,492
Speaker 19: But that's joint accounts. All the rest of it, emails, everything, we.

1698
01:24:42,452 --> 01:24:45,652
Speaker 2: Share one email, right, yeah, right.

1699
01:24:45,492 --> 01:24:47,612
Speaker 19: And there's no questions. You don't have to have a conversation,

1700
01:24:47,732 --> 01:24:50,052
Speaker 19: you don't have to have a then there's no questions

1701
01:24:50,093 --> 01:24:52,732
Speaker 19: of trust or non trust because it's just there. And

1702
01:24:52,772 --> 01:24:54,772
Speaker 19: so you don't need to go looking because it's there,

1703
01:24:54,812 --> 01:24:58,612
Speaker 19: it's available, So there's no Yeah, if we don't go

1704
01:24:58,692 --> 01:25:00,492
Speaker 19: into each other's phones because we don't need to.

1705
01:25:00,692 --> 01:25:03,812
Speaker 3: If he came up to you tomorrow and you need

1706
01:25:03,812 --> 01:25:05,452
Speaker 3: to go into his phone because there's some information you

1707
01:25:05,452 --> 01:25:07,253
Speaker 3: need to get completely innocent to something that you needed

1708
01:25:07,253 --> 01:25:09,732
Speaker 3: to get or you whatever, pass what you need and

1709
01:25:09,732 --> 01:25:12,253
Speaker 3: suddenly you were locked out, would you be like, what's

1710
01:25:12,293 --> 01:25:12,852
Speaker 3: going on here?

1711
01:25:14,372 --> 01:25:14,692
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1712
01:25:14,732 --> 01:25:16,573
Speaker 19: Absolutely, because that would be totally.

1713
01:25:16,293 --> 01:25:17,213
Speaker 6: Out of the norm.

1714
01:25:17,492 --> 01:25:21,012
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so you do have some separate bank accounts,

1715
01:25:21,053 --> 01:25:21,892
Speaker 2: is that right, Janine?

1716
01:25:22,333 --> 01:25:24,492
Speaker 19: Just one, just one separate bank account that I have

1717
01:25:24,652 --> 01:25:26,852
Speaker 19: money and that we can I can go on, like,

1718
01:25:26,973 --> 01:25:28,093
Speaker 19: you know, if I want to do things for the

1719
01:25:28,173 --> 01:25:31,133
Speaker 19: kids or or or buy treats that he.

1720
01:25:31,893 --> 01:25:33,532
Speaker 3: Who puts money into that? Do you both put money

1721
01:25:33,532 --> 01:25:34,933
Speaker 3: into that or just you?

1722
01:25:34,933 --> 01:25:35,053
Speaker 8: No?

1723
01:25:35,333 --> 01:25:35,532
Speaker 4: Just me?

1724
01:25:35,933 --> 01:25:36,133
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1725
01:25:37,732 --> 01:25:40,452
Speaker 3: Is that because he would go, nah, the kids don't need.

1726
01:25:40,333 --> 01:25:42,812
Speaker 19: That or nah, and that wasn't that was an extra

1727
01:25:42,893 --> 01:25:45,053
Speaker 19: that you didn't need. And look, if he came to

1728
01:25:45,053 --> 01:25:46,612
Speaker 19: me tomorrow and said, can I see that account? One

1729
01:25:46,692 --> 01:25:50,572
Speaker 19: hundred percent, i'd sharm't. But it's just an unspoken that's there,

1730
01:25:50,652 --> 01:25:53,213
Speaker 19: and it just it quietly ticks away. And if the

1731
01:25:53,253 --> 01:25:54,692
Speaker 19: boys need something or are.

1732
01:25:54,532 --> 01:25:54,933
Speaker 2: You taking it?

1733
01:25:55,213 --> 01:25:57,333
Speaker 3: Are you taking other guys out for dinner on that account?

1734
01:25:57,372 --> 01:25:58,652
Speaker 3: Or is it above four?

1735
01:26:00,412 --> 01:26:00,812
Speaker 7: You know what?

1736
01:26:01,293 --> 01:26:03,293
Speaker 19: Someone said that to me recently. I'd love to.

1737
01:26:03,253 --> 01:26:03,932
Speaker 1: Have the time.

1738
01:26:04,893 --> 01:26:09,293
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always the question, Yeah, what what's this? What's

1739
01:26:09,293 --> 01:26:14,012
Speaker 2: this dinner at the French cafe? Flowers do time?

1740
01:26:14,133 --> 01:26:16,812
Speaker 19: Yeah, the time would be fantastic to be able to

1741
01:26:16,812 --> 01:26:17,492
Speaker 19: think about that.

1742
01:26:17,572 --> 01:26:18,492
Speaker 18: Lettlone do it.

1743
01:26:18,572 --> 01:26:20,812
Speaker 2: Is there any any time where you've opened up the

1744
01:26:20,893 --> 01:26:23,932
Speaker 2: laptop or the old email shit email, and you've got

1745
01:26:23,973 --> 01:26:26,972
Speaker 2: an email that is not nefurious or grubby or anything

1746
01:26:27,013 --> 01:26:28,572
Speaker 2: like that, but just a bit weird and you've said

1747
01:26:28,572 --> 01:26:30,053
Speaker 2: to your husband and say, hey, what were you what

1748
01:26:30,053 --> 01:26:30,932
Speaker 2: were you looking up here.

1749
01:26:33,093 --> 01:26:36,372
Speaker 19: No, no, the odd car part that's been purchased.

1750
01:26:38,093 --> 01:26:38,692
Speaker 7: What time?

1751
01:26:38,732 --> 01:26:42,133
Speaker 2: What time a night was that car park purchased car part?

1752
01:26:42,572 --> 01:26:45,372
Speaker 19: Or it could be any time of the night him

1753
01:26:45,412 --> 01:26:46,532
Speaker 19: and car parks.

1754
01:26:47,053 --> 01:26:51,213
Speaker 3: Because here's a famous establishment that used to put up

1755
01:26:51,253 --> 01:26:52,333
Speaker 3: the name of car parts.

1756
01:26:54,053 --> 01:26:55,132
Speaker 6: Is the right? Yes?

1757
01:26:55,213 --> 01:26:59,252
Speaker 2: If the car pass at three am, then no?

1758
01:26:58,973 --> 01:26:59,013
Speaker 18: No?

1759
01:26:59,412 --> 01:27:04,893
Speaker 19: Okay, well tasy well asleep at that time and it

1760
01:27:04,933 --> 01:27:07,133
Speaker 19: would have it would arrive as a car path.

1761
01:27:07,213 --> 01:27:09,892
Speaker 2: I'm shooting, okay, all right, it's good to know. Yeah,

1762
01:27:10,133 --> 01:27:12,812
Speaker 2: very engagement. I might have actually spoken in a turn there. Yeah.

1763
01:27:12,893 --> 01:27:15,333
Speaker 2: I don't think that exists anymore? Does it really that

1764
01:27:15,412 --> 01:27:18,372
Speaker 2: there's the old car part at three thirty am?

1765
01:27:18,772 --> 01:27:18,972
Speaker 15: Yeah?

1766
01:27:19,772 --> 01:27:22,892
Speaker 2: Yeah? Why do you always order your car parts? Why

1767
01:27:22,893 --> 01:27:25,612
Speaker 2: are you going to Jefson Porium at three o'clock in

1768
01:27:25,652 --> 01:27:29,093
Speaker 2: the morning. Oh, one hundred eighty is the number to goo?

1769
01:27:29,333 --> 01:27:31,372
Speaker 2: How do you feel about sharing your passwords with your

1770
01:27:31,412 --> 01:27:34,413
Speaker 2: significant other or do you like to have a modicum

1771
01:27:34,492 --> 01:27:36,372
Speaker 2: of privacy even if you're not hiding anything?

1772
01:27:36,412 --> 01:27:40,053
Speaker 3: The sticks said, I'd love I'd leave my partner if

1773
01:27:40,093 --> 01:27:42,973
Speaker 3: they wanted to look at my phone. Oh okay, if

1774
01:27:42,973 --> 01:27:45,652
Speaker 3: they want to look, right, I mean, but I mean

1775
01:27:45,692 --> 01:27:49,532
Speaker 3: it's It's interesting because I think that my part would

1776
01:27:49,692 --> 01:27:52,253
Speaker 3: have couldn't care less about what's on my phone. I

1777
01:27:52,293 --> 01:27:54,892
Speaker 3: think she'd be like, I get enough of your boring crap,

1778
01:27:55,013 --> 01:27:58,133
Speaker 3: just having to listen to you all rabbiting on what

1779
01:27:58,213 --> 01:28:00,333
Speaker 3: the latest thing you watched on YouTube or the latest

1780
01:28:00,333 --> 01:28:02,012
Speaker 3: book you're reading. Yeah, last thing.

1781
01:28:01,933 --> 01:28:04,972
Speaker 2: I want is more information on you. That's that's true love,

1782
01:28:05,053 --> 01:28:08,133
Speaker 2: isn't it less? I want to hear less from you,

1783
01:28:08,492 --> 01:28:10,012
Speaker 2: not more. I'm not going to go searching for more.

1784
01:28:10,093 --> 01:28:12,492
Speaker 2: That is beautiful, mate. Right. Oh one hundred and eighty

1785
01:28:12,532 --> 01:28:15,213
Speaker 2: ten eighty is the number to cool giving your partner

1786
01:28:15,253 --> 01:28:17,293
Speaker 2: your phone password? Is it an act of love? Is

1787
01:28:17,372 --> 01:28:20,173
Speaker 2: it a strong relationship? Or do you think something should

1788
01:28:20,213 --> 01:28:22,932
Speaker 2: remain a little bit private? It is twenty one past three.

1789
01:28:22,812 --> 01:28:24,652
Speaker 3: And do you think Tyler's cheating on his partner because

1790
01:28:24,692 --> 01:28:26,372
Speaker 3: he wants her not on his phone?

1791
01:28:30,652 --> 01:28:34,333
Speaker 1: Matt Heathen Tyler Adams afternoons call Oh eight hundred eighty

1792
01:28:34,372 --> 01:28:36,253
Speaker 1: ten eighty on news Talk ZB.

1793
01:28:36,732 --> 01:28:38,932
Speaker 2: Very good afternoon, TU twenty three pass three? Is sharing

1794
01:28:38,933 --> 01:28:40,933
Speaker 2: passwords with your partner a symbol of trust or a

1795
01:28:40,973 --> 01:28:41,772
Speaker 2: step too far?

1796
01:28:42,372 --> 01:28:44,173
Speaker 3: I used to be a cheetah, says this text and

1797
01:28:44,173 --> 01:28:46,452
Speaker 3: always locked my phone from my ex ten years ago.

1798
01:28:46,492 --> 01:28:49,213
Speaker 3: I met this amazing woman and married her six years ago.

1799
01:28:49,732 --> 01:28:52,572
Speaker 3: In the ten years with her, I never cheated, phone

1800
01:28:52,652 --> 01:28:54,532
Speaker 3: was never locked, and she got access to all my

1801
01:28:54,572 --> 01:28:57,692
Speaker 3: social media. A year ago, she started to lock her

1802
01:28:57,812 --> 01:29:00,012
Speaker 3: phone and work late. I asked her why her phone

1803
01:29:00,093 --> 01:29:02,412
Speaker 3: is locked, and she's hed it's a for privacy at work.

1804
01:29:02,732 --> 01:29:04,253
Speaker 3: I had to pay a company heaps the money to

1805
01:29:04,293 --> 01:29:07,732
Speaker 3: get her deleted messages and found out she's having an affair.

1806
01:29:07,812 --> 01:29:12,572
Speaker 2: Wow, what a story. Wow. I mean that that took

1807
01:29:12,572 --> 01:29:15,973
Speaker 2: a twist, but once a cheater, the cheater would know.

1808
01:29:16,253 --> 01:29:18,333
Speaker 2: So you can get pay someone to get the deleted

1809
01:29:18,333 --> 01:29:20,892
Speaker 2: messages of your partner. Yeah, if you're in the game,

1810
01:29:20,893 --> 01:29:22,173
Speaker 2: I love to hear from you. On eight hundred and

1811
01:29:22,173 --> 01:29:23,412
Speaker 2: eight ten eighty, Paul sent.

1812
01:29:23,333 --> 01:29:26,933
Speaker 3: A little pay a little play through girlfriend. Why have

1813
01:29:27,013 --> 01:29:29,853
Speaker 3: I found pictures of naked woman on your phone? Boyfriend?

1814
01:29:30,013 --> 01:29:32,333
Speaker 3: Because you're nosy, very good.

1815
01:29:32,973 --> 01:29:36,412
Speaker 2: Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call.

1816
01:29:36,612 --> 01:29:39,093
Speaker 2: We're just having some problems with the phone system at

1817
01:29:39,093 --> 01:29:41,452
Speaker 2: the moment, So if you can't get through, just keep trying.

1818
01:29:41,572 --> 01:29:43,213
Speaker 3: I think we blew up the phones in the last

1819
01:29:43,213 --> 01:29:45,692
Speaker 3: hour of the amount of calls coming through on the

1820
01:29:45,772 --> 01:29:46,933
Speaker 3: Charlie Kirkish.

1821
01:29:46,692 --> 01:29:49,052
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think debated New Zealand's I think.

1822
01:29:48,933 --> 01:29:52,852
Speaker 3: It's overheated, the phones not working properly, so we'll stick

1823
01:29:52,853 --> 01:29:56,652
Speaker 3: to text texts for a while. Yep, hey guys, I

1824
01:29:56,732 --> 01:30:00,133
Speaker 3: believe yes. And we now share passwords after many years

1825
01:30:00,173 --> 01:30:02,293
Speaker 3: of not. My husband ended up in hospital in the

1826
01:30:02,333 --> 01:30:05,892
Speaker 3: coma due to sepsis and I couldn't pay the bills

1827
01:30:05,893 --> 01:30:08,173
Speaker 3: online due to him having all that information. We now

1828
01:30:08,173 --> 01:30:10,812
Speaker 3: have pass words written down in a safe place should

1829
01:30:10,812 --> 01:30:13,412
Speaker 3: we need to access phones or computers have required otherwise.

1830
01:30:13,492 --> 01:30:15,732
Speaker 3: We respect each other's privacies and there's actually been a

1831
01:30:15,772 --> 01:30:17,612
Speaker 3: few people that have texted through and said their partner

1832
01:30:17,692 --> 01:30:20,052
Speaker 3: died and it was very handy to have the past

1833
01:30:20,093 --> 01:30:20,932
Speaker 3: words for everything.

1834
01:30:21,013 --> 01:30:23,053
Speaker 2: I can get that that is important. Chris, So, I

1835
01:30:23,053 --> 01:30:24,333
Speaker 2: think we've got you now. How are you?

1836
01:30:25,333 --> 01:30:25,772
Speaker 8: Yeah? Good?

1837
01:30:25,772 --> 01:30:27,973
Speaker 2: Thank you very good? And what do you reckon when

1838
01:30:28,013 --> 01:30:30,052
Speaker 2: it comes to past words and your wife will partner?

1839
01:30:31,293 --> 01:30:35,052
Speaker 16: Well, we've only got one email account, so everything goes through.

1840
01:30:35,772 --> 01:30:37,932
Speaker 16: These days, if you have one email account, you can

1841
01:30:37,933 --> 01:30:40,372
Speaker 16: only have one account with Facebook and things like that,

1842
01:30:40,772 --> 01:30:44,412
Speaker 16: so we share everything. We even have the same excess

1843
01:30:44,492 --> 01:30:47,973
Speaker 16: code for both our phones. So at the end of

1844
01:30:47,973 --> 01:30:50,293
Speaker 16: the day, Hey, you know, I made.

1845
01:30:50,173 --> 01:30:52,933
Speaker 8: A commitment with a marriager. She made equipment to me.

1846
01:30:53,772 --> 01:30:54,173
Speaker 2: How good.

1847
01:30:55,372 --> 01:30:59,972
Speaker 16: If you get to hide something, then you shouldst somewhere else.

1848
01:31:00,293 --> 01:31:02,652
Speaker 2: Is it not a part of your Look, there's a

1849
01:31:02,652 --> 01:31:05,412
Speaker 2: lovely thing. And I'm getting a lot of a lot

1850
01:31:05,452 --> 01:31:08,133
Speaker 2: of pushback on our situation. But is it not a

1851
01:31:08,133 --> 01:31:08,972
Speaker 2: part do you that?

1852
01:31:09,572 --> 01:31:09,812
Speaker 8: You know?

1853
01:31:09,973 --> 01:31:12,732
Speaker 2: Some things as an individual just needs to stab at private.

1854
01:31:12,732 --> 01:31:15,012
Speaker 2: I mean, do you use the old find my Friend

1855
01:31:15,053 --> 01:31:16,812
Speaker 2: app to make sure you know where each other is?

1856
01:31:16,812 --> 01:31:17,452
Speaker 2: It all comes.

1857
01:31:20,253 --> 01:31:22,053
Speaker 8: We've got to find our phone and that sort of

1858
01:31:22,053 --> 01:31:24,852
Speaker 8: stuff quite often.

1859
01:31:24,933 --> 01:31:26,972
Speaker 16: You know, I'm a truck driver, so when I'm doing

1860
01:31:27,013 --> 01:31:28,612
Speaker 16: local runs, I quite often go.

1861
01:31:28,692 --> 01:31:30,452
Speaker 8: Past the houses of the car's gone.

1862
01:31:30,893 --> 01:31:33,253
Speaker 16: Then after a little while she doesn't answer her phone,

1863
01:31:33,253 --> 01:31:35,532
Speaker 16: I'll have a look to see, you know, make sure

1864
01:31:35,532 --> 01:31:36,972
Speaker 16: she's like a town or something like that.

1865
01:31:37,532 --> 01:31:41,612
Speaker 3: But that's reasonably that's not because you think she's running

1866
01:31:41,652 --> 01:31:43,213
Speaker 3: off and having, you know, in a fear.

1867
01:31:43,253 --> 01:31:45,972
Speaker 2: It's because you are hoping that she hasn't been kidnapped

1868
01:31:46,053 --> 01:31:50,772
Speaker 2: or something. For one of a better Yeah, it.

1869
01:31:50,772 --> 01:31:53,932
Speaker 16: Boils down to the pack that if you don't trust someone,

1870
01:31:54,013 --> 01:31:56,812
Speaker 16: then you can't really been in a relationship with them.

1871
01:31:57,093 --> 01:31:58,293
Speaker 8: What do you say you understand that?

1872
01:31:58,372 --> 01:32:01,013
Speaker 16: You know you're thinking, okay, well, perhaps you should have

1873
01:32:01,732 --> 01:32:03,892
Speaker 16: some things that the other person doesn't know about, and

1874
01:32:04,532 --> 01:32:07,173
Speaker 16: that's just natural. But when it comes to things like

1875
01:32:07,253 --> 01:32:11,133
Speaker 16: online stuff, I've got no reason to hide something I

1876
01:32:11,173 --> 01:32:12,572
Speaker 16: know she doesn't.

1877
01:32:13,173 --> 01:32:16,052
Speaker 3: What about this text, this text that says live a little,

1878
01:32:16,253 --> 01:32:17,852
Speaker 3: have a few skeletons in your closet?

1879
01:32:21,333 --> 01:32:21,532
Speaker 18: Yeah?

1880
01:32:22,372 --> 01:32:23,772
Speaker 2: Very have you ever?

1881
01:32:23,853 --> 01:32:26,293
Speaker 3: But do you ever go on fact finding missions? As

1882
01:32:26,333 --> 01:32:28,572
Speaker 3: the term I used before with the previous caller? Do

1883
01:32:28,612 --> 01:32:31,652
Speaker 3: you ever go searching for stuff? Because that's part of trust,

1884
01:32:31,692 --> 01:32:34,692
Speaker 3: isn't it? As well as that everything's open up, but

1885
01:32:34,853 --> 01:32:37,252
Speaker 3: you're not having someone trying to put together a dossier

1886
01:32:37,293 --> 01:32:39,652
Speaker 3: against you by going through all your group threads with

1887
01:32:39,692 --> 01:32:42,333
Speaker 3: your mates and whatever you looked at on social media,

1888
01:32:42,333 --> 01:32:42,732
Speaker 3: et cetera.

1889
01:32:44,053 --> 01:32:46,333
Speaker 8: I'm more in the lines that it won't hurt, but

1890
01:32:46,333 --> 01:32:47,173
Speaker 8: I don't know about it.

1891
01:32:47,492 --> 01:32:51,052
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, quite look for something?

1892
01:32:51,093 --> 01:32:54,812
Speaker 16: You looking for something to have an excuse to have

1893
01:32:54,853 --> 01:32:59,013
Speaker 16: a go at someone, then perhaps underlining problems that you

1894
01:32:59,093 --> 01:33:00,612
Speaker 16: probably need ton't scuffle from anyway.

1895
01:33:00,812 --> 01:33:02,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look for something with a suspicious mind,

1896
01:33:02,973 --> 01:33:05,532
Speaker 3: you're going to find something that fulfills the narrative that

1897
01:33:05,612 --> 01:33:05,972
Speaker 3: you want.

1898
01:33:07,293 --> 01:33:08,293
Speaker 8: That's right, that's right.

1899
01:33:08,812 --> 01:33:11,532
Speaker 16: The more you search for something, the more clues you're

1900
01:33:11,532 --> 01:33:15,133
Speaker 16: going to find that will allow you to found something.

1901
01:33:15,372 --> 01:33:17,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, but I know.

1902
01:33:17,333 --> 01:33:21,852
Speaker 8: That plan that we're a teenager. We didn't have phones.

1903
01:33:23,013 --> 01:33:24,732
Speaker 2: Yeah, right? Were you a bit of a dirty dog

1904
01:33:24,772 --> 01:33:25,532
Speaker 2: back then? Chris?

1905
01:33:26,732 --> 01:33:28,333
Speaker 8: I was a very naughty boy.

1906
01:33:30,652 --> 01:33:32,812
Speaker 3: So do you think that maybe the reason, Chris, why

1907
01:33:32,933 --> 01:33:35,052
Speaker 3: you are so open with your partners because you found

1908
01:33:35,093 --> 01:33:38,053
Speaker 3: the right one and you found someone that and that's

1909
01:33:38,053 --> 01:33:41,012
Speaker 3: sort of and that's sort of some symptomatic of finding

1910
01:33:41,013 --> 01:33:43,692
Speaker 3: the right person is that you just become an open

1911
01:33:43,692 --> 01:33:45,093
Speaker 3: book with them.

1912
01:33:45,372 --> 01:33:45,852
Speaker 8: That's right.

1913
01:33:45,973 --> 01:33:52,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're off the market, you're off the market.

1914
01:33:51,372 --> 01:33:53,932
Speaker 16: Marriage and that sort of thing. But when we got

1915
01:33:53,933 --> 01:33:56,892
Speaker 16: to give it was just a person match.

1916
01:33:57,333 --> 01:34:00,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, Chris, the little story. Yeah, I love your work,

1917
01:34:00,253 --> 01:34:02,132
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. The boy was here a dirty

1918
01:34:02,133 --> 01:34:04,532
Speaker 2: dog and his teens and anaughty, naughty boy in his

1919
01:34:04,612 --> 01:34:07,372
Speaker 2: younger days. Oh my god, But lucky there's no phones

1920
01:34:07,412 --> 01:34:09,412
Speaker 2: bag then or social media. This stuff Chris got up to.

1921
01:34:09,492 --> 01:34:11,253
Speaker 2: If those wars could talk, right, and.

1922
01:34:11,412 --> 01:34:14,732
Speaker 3: God, it's like Tyler in twenty twenty five filthy just

1923
01:34:14,853 --> 01:34:17,013
Speaker 3: all over the shop. That's why he doesn't ever, That's

1924
01:34:17,053 --> 01:34:18,412
Speaker 3: why he keeps us password secret.

1925
01:34:18,492 --> 01:34:21,093
Speaker 2: It is twenty nine pass three headlines coming up. Then

1926
01:34:21,133 --> 01:34:24,053
Speaker 2: we're taking your view, so the old phone passwords? Is

1927
01:34:24,053 --> 01:34:26,612
Speaker 2: it okay to share with your significant other or do

1928
01:34:26,692 --> 01:34:29,412
Speaker 2: you think you need to set some boundaries? Headlines with

1929
01:34:29,532 --> 01:34:30,253
Speaker 2: Jodie coming.

1930
01:34:30,173 --> 01:34:36,133
Speaker 11: Up, you talk said the headlines with blue bubble taxis

1931
01:34:36,173 --> 01:34:38,892
Speaker 11: it's no trouble with a blue bubble. A door to

1932
01:34:39,013 --> 01:34:42,692
Speaker 11: door manhunt. Who's underway in Utah after the killing of

1933
01:34:42,772 --> 01:34:46,772
Speaker 11: Donald Trump ally Charlie Kirk, The conservative activist, died in

1934
01:34:46,893 --> 01:34:49,972
Speaker 11: hospital after he was shot during an event at Utah

1935
01:34:50,133 --> 01:34:55,492
Speaker 11: Valley University. The police minister is stressing Tom Phillips is

1936
01:34:55,772 --> 01:35:00,253
Speaker 11: no hero, as a judge considers suppression still surrounding the case.

1937
01:35:00,772 --> 01:35:04,133
Speaker 11: Former Labor Cabinet Minister Stuart Nash has resigned from his

1938
01:35:04,293 --> 01:35:09,213
Speaker 11: recruitment agency job after a remark about women. Leading health

1939
01:35:09,333 --> 01:35:13,253
Speaker 11: experts will be advising by Carthol University on the establishment

1940
01:35:13,293 --> 01:35:16,692
Speaker 11: of the country's third medical school. The eunis named an

1941
01:35:16,732 --> 01:35:21,772
Speaker 11: expert advisory board the government's overhauling senior secondary school subjects

1942
01:35:21,772 --> 01:35:24,692
Speaker 11: with new options to be phased in from twenty twenty eight.

1943
01:35:25,293 --> 01:35:28,692
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1950
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Jodi. So we're talking about sharing

1951
01:35:54,732 --> 01:35:58,012
Speaker 2: passwords with your significant other. This is after Dr John Deloney.

1952
01:35:58,013 --> 01:36:00,652
Speaker 2: He is a very renowned US relationship expert. He was

1953
01:36:00,652 --> 01:36:03,173
Speaker 2: on the Modern Wisdom podcast with Chris Williamson. This is

1954
01:36:03,173 --> 01:36:06,173
Speaker 2: a huge podcast listened to by hundreds of millions of people,

1955
01:36:06,213 --> 01:36:08,733
Speaker 2: and they were talking about how to build a thriving relationship.

1956
01:36:08,372 --> 01:36:10,612
Speaker 2: And here's the first thing they canvassed.

1957
01:36:12,893 --> 01:36:15,452
Speaker 5: If you are married, your spouse should have all of

1958
01:36:15,492 --> 01:36:17,892
Speaker 5: the codes to your phones, email accounts and social media

1959
01:36:17,893 --> 01:36:20,293
Speaker 5: accounts and you should have that as period. If your

1960
01:36:20,293 --> 01:36:22,812
Speaker 5: spouse isn't trustworthy, are safe, You need to head directly

1961
01:36:22,893 --> 01:36:25,812
Speaker 5: into this challenge asap. You're worthy of safety and peace.

1962
01:36:25,853 --> 01:36:28,133
Speaker 5: If you're hiding things from your spouse. Let today be

1963
01:36:28,173 --> 01:36:30,932
Speaker 5: your independence day from secret sham and fear. You are

1964
01:36:30,973 --> 01:36:34,253
Speaker 5: worth finally taking a full deep brat. How do people

1965
01:36:34,293 --> 01:36:34,852
Speaker 5: respond to that?

1966
01:36:34,933 --> 01:36:35,093
Speaker 8: Oh?

1967
01:36:35,133 --> 01:36:39,133
Speaker 2: Well, man, let's go not well dude. So we're getting

1968
01:36:39,133 --> 01:36:41,133
Speaker 2: plenty of ticks on this. What I've got to say now,

1969
01:36:41,293 --> 01:36:43,412
Speaker 2: My partner have said this before. She's got my password

1970
01:36:43,492 --> 01:36:46,333
Speaker 2: to the phone, but I don't like her having my phone,

1971
01:36:46,492 --> 01:36:48,652
Speaker 2: are going through it without me, And the reason I

1972
01:36:48,692 --> 01:36:51,412
Speaker 2: don't like that is because it's a privacy thing. So

1973
01:36:51,492 --> 01:36:55,012
Speaker 2: keeping my phone password private is not about hiding anything.

1974
01:36:55,372 --> 01:36:57,572
Speaker 2: I'm not having any sort of a fears going on

1975
01:36:57,612 --> 01:37:00,333
Speaker 2: because no other woman would have me. It's about maintaining

1976
01:37:00,412 --> 01:37:04,333
Speaker 2: personal boundaries in trust, which I actually think strengthens a relationship.

1977
01:37:04,412 --> 01:37:05,532
Speaker 2: But a lot of people disagree.

1978
01:37:06,973 --> 01:37:10,772
Speaker 3: Part I love you, and my husband and I have

1979
01:37:10,893 --> 01:37:13,013
Speaker 3: each other's passwords, yet neither of us feel the need

1980
01:37:13,053 --> 01:37:15,932
Speaker 3: to snoop into the other's personal business because we trust

1981
01:37:15,973 --> 01:37:17,892
Speaker 3: each other. We share bank accounts as well, but each

1982
01:37:17,933 --> 01:37:20,852
Speaker 3: have a separate account into which we get weekly pocket money.

1983
01:37:21,053 --> 01:37:23,492
Speaker 3: We can do what we want with that money without

1984
01:37:23,692 --> 01:37:26,212
Speaker 3: scrutiny from the spouse.

1985
01:37:26,293 --> 01:37:29,092
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you from that. Jennifer. How are you this afternoon?

1986
01:37:30,013 --> 01:37:30,293
Speaker 7: Good?

1987
01:37:30,492 --> 01:37:31,293
Speaker 20: God tell you guys.

1988
01:37:31,452 --> 01:37:33,612
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good. Now you're a hubby and you you

1989
01:37:33,692 --> 01:37:35,452
Speaker 2: have full access to everything?

1990
01:37:36,333 --> 01:37:36,532
Speaker 6: Yeap?

1991
01:37:36,812 --> 01:37:37,572
Speaker 20: Yeah, everything.

1992
01:37:37,853 --> 01:37:38,053
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1993
01:37:40,173 --> 01:37:43,133
Speaker 20: He's a bit of a techno dick. So there's a

1994
01:37:43,133 --> 01:37:45,612
Speaker 20: bit of a joke in our family that I go

1995
01:37:45,692 --> 01:37:48,173
Speaker 20: and break things and he fixes it for me. And

1996
01:37:48,452 --> 01:37:50,372
Speaker 20: if he didn't have the passwords, he wouldn't be able

1997
01:37:50,372 --> 01:37:53,852
Speaker 20: to do that. So but yeah, our whole family are

1998
01:37:53,893 --> 01:37:57,093
Speaker 20: pretty open and on us done. We unfortunately lost my

1999
01:37:57,213 --> 01:38:00,133
Speaker 20: mum a couple of years ago, and having access to

2000
01:38:00,173 --> 01:38:01,933
Speaker 20: everything just meant that we were able to get my

2001
01:38:02,013 --> 01:38:04,452
Speaker 20: dad back up and running really quickly because he's a

2002
01:38:04,452 --> 01:38:07,892
Speaker 20: bit of a he's an old school farmer who struggles

2003
01:38:07,893 --> 01:38:10,972
Speaker 20: with technol a year bit. So yeah, just maybe everything

2004
01:38:11,013 --> 01:38:11,933
Speaker 20: a bit easier.

2005
01:38:11,652 --> 01:38:13,932
Speaker 2: That is important. So was that always the case when

2006
01:38:13,933 --> 01:38:16,052
Speaker 2: you guys got together, or was it when you got

2007
01:38:16,053 --> 01:38:18,612
Speaker 2: married that that was we're all going to have access

2008
01:38:18,652 --> 01:38:21,012
Speaker 2: to everything that we do online and on the phones.

2009
01:38:22,492 --> 01:38:23,692
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we've.

2010
01:38:23,492 --> 01:38:26,612
Speaker 20: Been together so long that kind of we predate all that,

2011
01:38:26,973 --> 01:38:30,213
Speaker 20: but you know, just always always been open and almost

2012
01:38:30,253 --> 01:38:34,852
Speaker 20: for each other. Yeah, we're kind of old school. We're

2013
01:38:34,893 --> 01:38:38,572
Speaker 20: all folk who just get on them. I don't have

2014
01:38:38,652 --> 01:38:39,412
Speaker 20: much to hide.

2015
01:38:39,933 --> 01:38:42,133
Speaker 3: Do you ever go for a for a look through

2016
01:38:42,213 --> 01:38:44,372
Speaker 3: a look see a little bit of a ready to

2017
01:38:44,492 --> 01:38:46,052
Speaker 3: what your.

2018
01:38:45,973 --> 01:38:49,293
Speaker 2: Husband's sharing with us friends or jumping on a group?

2019
01:38:50,412 --> 01:38:53,933
Speaker 20: Yeah, a little bit like your text of before. I

2020
01:38:54,053 --> 01:38:56,293
Speaker 20: hear about it all day every day. I don't need

2021
01:38:56,333 --> 01:38:56,732
Speaker 20: to look.

2022
01:38:59,133 --> 01:39:01,372
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there is a there's sort of a

2023
01:39:01,412 --> 01:39:03,492
Speaker 3: thing in relationships when it's a good one where you

2024
01:39:03,572 --> 01:39:06,253
Speaker 3: get enough, you get enough and you don't need any more.

2025
01:39:06,372 --> 01:39:09,293
Speaker 2: I think that's incredibly healthy. Yeah, Jennifer, really nice to

2026
01:39:09,372 --> 01:39:10,812
Speaker 2: chat with you. Thank you very much for giving us

2027
01:39:10,812 --> 01:39:11,253
Speaker 2: a buzz.

2028
01:39:12,053 --> 01:39:13,933
Speaker 3: My wife and I share our passwords. My problem is

2029
01:39:13,933 --> 01:39:17,253
Speaker 3: that she can't spell for quids and always and can't

2030
01:39:17,293 --> 01:39:18,532
Speaker 3: spell her password correctly.

2031
01:39:18,572 --> 01:39:21,213
Speaker 2: That's it doing and this one. If some wives saw

2032
01:39:21,253 --> 01:39:24,333
Speaker 2: what their husbands who are my ex has still texted me,

2033
01:39:24,732 --> 01:39:26,652
Speaker 2: they'd get a wake up call, that's for sure. But

2034
01:39:26,732 --> 01:39:29,452
Speaker 2: some just ignore it and go on how miserable. I

2035
01:39:29,572 --> 01:39:33,772
Speaker 2: tell them I'm not interested, But if they knew, it

2036
01:39:33,812 --> 01:39:35,253
Speaker 2: would cause so many issues.

2037
01:39:36,372 --> 01:39:38,732
Speaker 3: You can trust all you like, says this texter. But

2038
01:39:38,812 --> 01:39:41,293
Speaker 3: if you've been cheated on or hear about it all

2039
01:39:41,293 --> 01:39:43,412
Speaker 3: the time, you start to think that maybe it could

2040
01:39:43,452 --> 01:39:47,333
Speaker 3: be me. And if they're not worried, they're probably just ugly,

2041
01:39:47,412 --> 01:39:50,253
Speaker 3: so it's not a worry anymore, all right. It's always

2042
01:39:50,333 --> 01:39:53,732
Speaker 3: the rule Mary, someone ugly and you never have to

2043
01:39:53,732 --> 01:39:56,333
Speaker 3: worry again, Okay, Hines.

2044
01:39:56,412 --> 01:39:58,973
Speaker 2: It's all of a strategy. If that's worked for you,

2045
01:39:59,133 --> 01:40:03,732
Speaker 2: well done. I don't know if that's rules for life, though, well,

2046
01:40:03,772 --> 01:40:04,452
Speaker 2: I mean I think.

2047
01:40:04,333 --> 01:40:07,172
Speaker 3: You've got I think if you spend a life worrying

2048
01:40:07,213 --> 01:40:09,412
Speaker 3: that someone's cheating on you, it's not a great life, right.

2049
01:40:09,933 --> 01:40:11,412
Speaker 3: I think you just got to go around and assume

2050
01:40:11,452 --> 01:40:13,692
Speaker 3: that the person isn't cheating on you and do no

2051
01:40:13,812 --> 01:40:17,333
Speaker 3: investigations and otherwise.

2052
01:40:17,612 --> 01:40:19,772
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've got the inkling to snoop,

2053
01:40:20,253 --> 01:40:22,812
Speaker 2: because I mean that says that you're worried about something

2054
01:40:22,812 --> 01:40:25,612
Speaker 2: maybe nefurious going on. But if you can't be bothered

2055
01:40:25,612 --> 01:40:28,093
Speaker 2: because you know that what you're going to find is

2056
01:40:28,133 --> 01:40:30,133
Speaker 2: just going to be incredibly pooring, it's probably a healthy

2057
01:40:30,133 --> 01:40:30,532
Speaker 2: place to be.

2058
01:40:30,853 --> 01:40:33,612
Speaker 3: If someone I've saw what their husbands who are my

2059
01:40:33,812 --> 01:40:36,013
Speaker 3: ex has still texted me, they'd get a wake up

2060
01:40:36,053 --> 01:40:38,412
Speaker 3: call that's for sure, but some just ignore it and

2061
01:40:38,452 --> 01:40:39,532
Speaker 3: go on how miserable.

2062
01:40:39,652 --> 01:40:44,253
Speaker 2: I tell them I'm not interested. Oh spicy, Yeah like that. Steve,

2063
01:40:44,372 --> 01:40:45,372
Speaker 2: how are you this afternoon?

2064
01:40:46,572 --> 01:40:48,772
Speaker 18: Yea good guys in yourselves very well.

2065
01:40:48,812 --> 01:40:50,532
Speaker 2: So what's your situation in your household?

2066
01:40:51,853 --> 01:40:52,373
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2067
01:40:52,492 --> 01:40:57,132
Speaker 18: No, total trust. I've got cancer and I've just developed

2068
01:40:57,173 --> 01:40:59,932
Speaker 18: a tumor behind my right eye a little while ago,

2069
01:41:01,053 --> 01:41:06,093
Speaker 18: secondary cancer, and I'm actually going blind. Sorry, he's court man.

2070
01:41:06,093 --> 01:41:07,452
Speaker 8: I'm living life. I'm not dying.

2071
01:41:07,772 --> 01:41:11,852
Speaker 18: I'm living with it. But I've got totally trust to

2072
01:41:11,893 --> 01:41:15,652
Speaker 18: my wife. We're a generation apart. I'm in my succeed yes,

2073
01:41:15,732 --> 01:41:18,213
Speaker 18: just not one term fortund about porting sorr, I think.

2074
01:41:19,452 --> 01:41:22,333
Speaker 18: And I'm having just got and brought a new device today.

2075
01:41:22,452 --> 01:41:25,732
Speaker 18: I'm getting one of these Alexa devices so I can

2076
01:41:25,772 --> 01:41:28,132
Speaker 18: help me read and write and read books and stuffcause

2077
01:41:28,133 --> 01:41:31,933
Speaker 18: I've lost got of independence and I'm totally reliant on

2078
01:41:32,093 --> 01:41:34,053
Speaker 18: my wife to set this up for me. Look at

2079
01:41:34,093 --> 01:41:36,693
Speaker 18: my phone, look at my emails, look at my messages,

2080
01:41:36,812 --> 01:41:40,652
Speaker 18: look at my phone answer calls. I have nothing at all.

2081
01:41:41,173 --> 01:41:43,253
Speaker 18: And it's just total total trust because I have to

2082
01:41:43,532 --> 01:41:48,253
Speaker 18: know I wouldn't have it any other way. And she's

2083
01:41:48,333 --> 01:41:50,813
Speaker 18: got a everybody's phones that does a space for resognition,

2084
01:41:51,013 --> 01:41:52,532
Speaker 18: and they wouldn't want me on your phone any I've

2085
01:41:52,532 --> 01:41:57,093
Speaker 18: probably crack up looked at it, but you know what

2086
01:41:57,133 --> 01:41:59,932
Speaker 18: I mean. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, you know that's totally

2087
01:41:59,933 --> 01:42:02,053
Speaker 18: because I'm going blind and I'm totally going to be

2088
01:42:02,093 --> 01:42:06,012
Speaker 18: totally dependent. Probably a target before I go totally blind,

2089
01:42:06,572 --> 01:42:09,852
Speaker 18: but yeah, I'm in total depended on here to go

2090
01:42:09,933 --> 01:42:12,772
Speaker 18: through the phone set things up for me. Even like

2091
01:42:12,893 --> 01:42:16,532
Speaker 18: today the lady came and sorted my old phone out

2092
01:42:16,532 --> 01:42:19,372
Speaker 18: and has all these sort of other stuff on it

2093
01:42:19,492 --> 01:42:21,372
Speaker 18: that I couldn't use. So I even had to get

2094
01:42:21,372 --> 01:42:22,452
Speaker 18: my wife to go on to my phone. So like

2095
01:42:22,532 --> 01:42:25,492
Speaker 18: a make phone calls this morning, you know, and then

2096
01:42:25,572 --> 01:42:26,693
Speaker 18: and answer calls.

2097
01:42:26,452 --> 01:42:31,492
Speaker 2: For me makes it. I mean that, yeah, that situation there, Steve, Yeah,

2098
01:42:31,572 --> 01:42:35,412
Speaker 2: total trust and obviously you've got a beautiful wife there

2099
01:42:35,732 --> 01:42:39,053
Speaker 2: who is helping you out with everything that you need

2100
01:42:39,093 --> 01:42:42,293
Speaker 2: in your situation. I can absolutely understand that. Yeah, And

2101
01:42:42,372 --> 01:42:45,052
Speaker 2: so I mean not that you'd be able to snoop

2102
01:42:45,053 --> 01:42:47,293
Speaker 2: into your wife's phone at the moment, but I take

2103
01:42:47,293 --> 01:42:48,133
Speaker 2: it it goes both ways.

2104
01:42:48,133 --> 01:42:48,412
Speaker 8: Steve.

2105
01:42:49,452 --> 01:42:52,972
Speaker 18: Oh, absolutely like that she you know, she's got exes

2106
01:42:53,013 --> 01:42:54,972
Speaker 18: and stuff like that. Thought where was generation? But I've

2107
01:42:54,973 --> 01:42:57,972
Speaker 18: been married before and she's got exes and she tells

2108
01:42:58,013 --> 01:42:59,812
Speaker 18: me to text her up and says, good, hey, how

2109
01:42:59,893 --> 01:43:02,492
Speaker 18: are you? How is Steve? You know, he's always asking

2110
01:43:02,572 --> 01:43:05,652
Speaker 18: us for me and and concerned and stuff like this.

2111
01:43:05,772 --> 01:43:08,213
Speaker 18: I've got no inhibitions whatsoever. And she tells me, ever,

2112
01:43:08,572 --> 01:43:10,093
Speaker 18: you know, like you'll get a text from the wreck

2113
01:43:10,372 --> 01:43:13,012
Speaker 18: or or from somebody that you know it's in your past,

2114
01:43:13,053 --> 01:43:15,372
Speaker 18: and I'm going, oh wow, that's cool. But they know

2115
01:43:15,532 --> 01:43:17,333
Speaker 18: me and I know them as well, most of them,

2116
01:43:17,372 --> 01:43:17,932
Speaker 18: you know what I mean?

2117
01:43:19,372 --> 01:43:22,012
Speaker 3: In relationships with you, Steve, have you have you always

2118
01:43:22,093 --> 01:43:24,372
Speaker 3: done that trust? Or or is it or is it

2119
01:43:24,452 --> 01:43:27,412
Speaker 3: your new is the current relationship one?

2120
01:43:27,973 --> 01:43:28,773
Speaker 18: Current relationship?

2121
01:43:28,853 --> 01:43:29,293
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2122
01:43:29,532 --> 01:43:33,093
Speaker 18: Current relationship since day one? Yeah, absolutely since day one,

2123
01:43:33,173 --> 01:43:35,652
Speaker 18: you know. And we've were together a couple of years

2124
01:43:35,652 --> 01:43:37,812
Speaker 18: prior to getting married, and that's some pieces had a

2125
01:43:37,812 --> 01:43:40,652
Speaker 18: bit of a hard road and whatever else. But you know,

2126
01:43:40,772 --> 01:43:42,773
Speaker 18: she'd been through a lot as well in the past.

2127
01:43:44,293 --> 01:43:44,492
Speaker 8: You know.

2128
01:43:44,572 --> 01:43:48,773
Speaker 18: And then it's this is total trust on AA alcoholic

2129
01:43:48,893 --> 01:43:51,173
Speaker 18: and we go to a regularly and then you just

2130
01:43:51,253 --> 01:43:55,412
Speaker 18: known ambitions either there's no judgment, nothing, nothing's hidden and

2131
01:43:55,452 --> 01:43:58,892
Speaker 18: it shouldn't be, you know, people should be able to

2132
01:43:58,933 --> 01:44:02,612
Speaker 18: say express what they want and trusting the people that

2133
01:44:02,652 --> 01:44:03,812
Speaker 18: they're talking to you.

2134
01:44:04,213 --> 01:44:05,852
Speaker 3: So do you think it's as a symptom of a

2135
01:44:05,893 --> 01:44:10,013
Speaker 3: symptom of a great relationship when you feel as you do, Steve,

2136
01:44:09,692 --> 01:44:11,812
Speaker 3: We've got the got the right.

2137
01:44:11,612 --> 01:44:15,973
Speaker 18: One absolutely gosh, yeah, I've got the one and a

2138
01:44:16,013 --> 01:44:20,333
Speaker 18: million of they Yeah, yeah, totally love it, absolutely, total, total,

2139
01:44:20,372 --> 01:44:22,532
Speaker 18: total trust. Kevin joins me, where the stuff is on

2140
01:44:22,572 --> 01:44:25,293
Speaker 18: my plate? And one o'clock, three o'clock, two o'clock whatever.

2141
01:44:25,372 --> 01:44:28,773
Speaker 3: Has to be good on you, Steven, What a fantastic

2142
01:44:29,013 --> 01:44:31,652
Speaker 3: attitude you've got to life. So thank you so much

2143
01:44:31,652 --> 01:44:33,012
Speaker 3: for ringing up and sharing and all the best.

2144
01:44:33,093 --> 01:44:35,612
Speaker 2: What a great marriage, Joe. One hundred eighty ten eighty

2145
01:44:35,812 --> 01:44:38,692
Speaker 2: is the number to cool? Sharing passwords with your significant other?

2146
01:44:39,333 --> 01:44:40,812
Speaker 2: Is it an act of love? Or does it go

2147
01:44:40,893 --> 01:44:41,372
Speaker 2: too far?

2148
01:44:41,933 --> 01:44:44,412
Speaker 3: What happens is this textars what happens if a friend

2149
01:44:44,452 --> 01:44:48,053
Speaker 3: misses you something personal and doesn't want anyone to know,

2150
01:44:48,333 --> 01:44:51,213
Speaker 3: and your partner sees this. Aren't you letting your friend

2151
01:44:51,293 --> 01:44:53,652
Speaker 3: down with your partner seeing it? Now, that is a

2152
01:44:53,692 --> 01:44:56,293
Speaker 3: good point that I hadn't thought of, Because you may

2153
01:44:56,293 --> 01:45:00,092
Speaker 3: want to share everything with your partner, but your friends

2154
01:45:00,173 --> 01:45:01,812
Speaker 3: might not want to share everything with your partner, and

2155
01:45:01,853 --> 01:45:03,372
Speaker 3: they might want to just be sharing something.

2156
01:45:03,173 --> 01:45:05,293
Speaker 2: Specific with you. That's that's a very good point. I

2157
01:45:05,293 --> 01:45:08,253
Speaker 2: hadn't thought of that exactly, but keep on your views

2158
01:45:08,333 --> 01:45:10,293
Speaker 2: on that. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 2: number to call that stumps me that one. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: a good one.

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Speaker 1: It is eighteen to four your home of afternoon talk

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Speaker 1: Mad Heathen Taylor Adams afternoons call, Oh, eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 1: ten eighty us talk.

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Speaker 2: Sai'd be oh tenure Micon Tyler. Very good afternoon to you.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about sharing your passwords to your phones and

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Speaker 2: devices with your significant other. Is that a sign of

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01:45:35,492 --> 01:45:39,372
Speaker 2: trust in a healthy relationship or is that a breach

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Speaker 2: of privacy? Love to hear your thoughts. Eight hundred eighty

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Speaker 2: ten eighty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we are having all kinds of trouble with

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01:45:43,853 --> 01:45:47,213
Speaker 3: their phones, so keep trying on eight hundred eighty ten

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01:45:47,372 --> 01:45:51,692
Speaker 3: eighty and hopefully things will sort themselves out. This texta

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01:45:51,732 --> 01:45:53,532
Speaker 3: though doesn't want anything to do with the phone. Don't ring,

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01:45:53,692 --> 01:45:56,652
Speaker 3: don't say my name. Oh okay, I am having an affair.

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01:45:56,812 --> 01:45:59,892
Speaker 3: Oh but I love my wife. If I didn't have

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01:45:59,973 --> 01:46:05,612
Speaker 3: the privacy and couldn't have sex outside of marriage.

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Speaker 2: I would leave her. So I think my passwords are

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01:46:07,933 --> 01:46:11,692
Speaker 2: saving my marriage. It's a complex one done. It's a

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Speaker 2: very complex link. So I mean that's some logic right there.

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Speaker 3: So he needs to be having this fear, so he

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01:46:17,812 --> 01:46:23,093
Speaker 3: stays in his marriage, but he doesn't want his wife

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01:46:23,133 --> 01:46:25,732
Speaker 3: to know about it, so he thinks the secrecy is

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01:46:25,772 --> 01:46:26,972
Speaker 3: actually saving the marriage.

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01:46:27,853 --> 01:46:28,732
Speaker 8: I wonder what I.

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01:46:28,652 --> 01:46:31,652
Speaker 2: Mean, it's a it's a dangerous game you play.

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01:46:31,532 --> 01:46:31,852
Speaker 18: That is.

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01:46:31,933 --> 01:46:35,012
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's some dangerous logic in nine two nine two.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about that sort of text?

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01:46:36,692 --> 01:46:40,853
Speaker 3: That's a wicked we That's a wicked web you're weaving there.

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Speaker 2: Is I mean if it all comes on unwoven.

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01:46:43,853 --> 01:46:46,852
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the complexity of that, I imagine. I

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Speaker 3: mean that these children involved, wow, I.

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01:46:49,412 --> 01:46:50,012
Speaker 2: Mean who knows.

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01:46:50,173 --> 01:46:53,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, But just the complexity of of having to run

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01:46:53,412 --> 01:46:56,293
Speaker 3: a double life like that. It's got Edmond because it's

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01:46:56,293 --> 01:46:59,012
Speaker 3: one thing, say, if you're seeing someone else and you're

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01:46:59,053 --> 01:47:01,133
Speaker 3: happy to blow up the relationship and leave it for

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01:47:01,213 --> 01:47:03,652
Speaker 3: someone else, and you know there's moral implications for that,

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01:47:04,093 --> 01:47:07,213
Speaker 3: But choosing to have an affair and not feeling bad

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01:47:07,213 --> 01:47:10,412
Speaker 3: about it and running that fear some fierce simultaneously with

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Speaker 3: your relationship whilst keeping your partner out of the past words.

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Speaker 3: The other thing with that is how long does the

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01:47:17,492 --> 01:47:19,133
Speaker 3: woman that you're having a fear with does she want

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01:47:19,173 --> 01:47:21,412
Speaker 3: to just be on the person on the side, Because

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01:47:21,692 --> 01:47:24,293
Speaker 3: often what happens in these circumstances she suddenly goes, well,

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01:47:24,412 --> 01:47:27,652
Speaker 3: I feel like I have some ownership over you, and

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01:47:27,732 --> 01:47:29,612
Speaker 3: I want to be in a relationship.

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01:47:29,333 --> 01:47:29,732
Speaker 2: Next to you.

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Speaker 3: Know, you may be keeping your wife out of the

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01:47:32,213 --> 01:47:34,652
Speaker 3: past words. But then your girlfriend buddy rings up. Your

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01:47:34,692 --> 01:47:38,012
Speaker 3: wife exactly goes, you know what, I'm seeing your husband

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01:47:38,372 --> 01:47:40,372
Speaker 3: and she wants to bring matters to a head.

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01:47:40,492 --> 01:47:42,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it all explodes.

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01:47:43,652 --> 01:47:46,093
Speaker 3: I feel like this guy's making his life very very

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01:47:46,253 --> 01:47:48,053
Speaker 3: very complex.

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01:47:48,293 --> 01:47:49,893
Speaker 2: Good luck to your fellow. Let us know how you

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01:47:49,933 --> 01:47:52,572
Speaker 2: go with that. Yeah, shall I share his name? He said?

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01:47:52,612 --> 01:47:56,972
Speaker 2: Not for the good? Should we go first name, first name,

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01:47:57,053 --> 01:47:59,932
Speaker 2: last initial No? No, I never last name first never.

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01:48:00,013 --> 01:48:03,173
Speaker 3: We are a vault here the things you want to share.

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01:48:03,213 --> 01:48:04,892
Speaker 3: If you don't want your name to be shared, we won't.

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01:48:05,053 --> 01:48:07,093
Speaker 2: What happens on the show stays on the show. I

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01:48:07,173 --> 01:48:10,293
Speaker 2: will be texting your wife and your friend, though I

2224
01:48:10,293 --> 01:48:13,293
Speaker 2: won't be saying it out on here. They deserve today. Yeah,

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01:48:13,412 --> 01:48:16,052
Speaker 2: this is a text in a similar vein guys found

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01:48:16,053 --> 01:48:18,932
Speaker 2: out my husband after many years, was off twice a

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01:48:18,973 --> 01:48:21,973
Speaker 2: week with young sugar babes, wasting thousands of dollars. I

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01:48:22,013 --> 01:48:24,852
Speaker 2: caught him through his smart watch not so smart. He

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01:48:24,933 --> 01:48:28,812
Speaker 2: promised to stop, but was then caught in a message parlor.

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01:48:28,893 --> 01:48:32,253
Speaker 2: Once a cheater, always a Cheatah, share all the passwords.

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01:48:32,333 --> 01:48:34,452
Speaker 2: You never know what you'll find out. Maybe he's just

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01:48:34,452 --> 01:48:37,132
Speaker 2: having a massage. It's not cheating to have a massage.

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01:48:37,173 --> 01:48:41,052
Speaker 2: Is it between a message parlor just in a message house?

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01:48:41,333 --> 01:48:42,972
Speaker 2: It's the word parlor that kind.

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01:48:42,853 --> 01:48:46,333
Speaker 3: Of If it's a parlor, it's naughty. And if it's

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01:48:46,372 --> 01:48:48,892
Speaker 3: just a mess what's what is it called.

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01:48:49,093 --> 01:48:51,772
Speaker 2: The springs therm will reserve spa, you.

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01:48:51,772 --> 01:48:53,892
Speaker 3: Know, if it's called sports massage or something, then it's

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01:48:53,933 --> 01:48:57,612
Speaker 3: not a message parlor. Someone can have all open, and

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01:48:58,173 --> 01:49:00,452
Speaker 3: can have all open and share their passwords, but if

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01:49:00,452 --> 01:49:02,972
Speaker 3: they want to hide stuff, they will have numbers accounts

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01:49:03,013 --> 01:49:06,333
Speaker 3: that their partner doesn't know about. See that's a good point.

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01:49:06,333 --> 01:49:08,653
Speaker 3: Are you running any burner phones or anything Tayler.

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01:49:08,652 --> 01:49:11,013
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean imagining the Admond as you say

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01:49:11,053 --> 01:49:13,852
Speaker 2: that that text who ticks before and saying he's keeping

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01:49:13,853 --> 01:49:15,772
Speaker 2: it private to protect his marriage while he's having a

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01:49:15,812 --> 01:49:18,892
Speaker 2: bit on the side. The effort involved and the hours

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01:49:18,893 --> 01:49:22,412
Speaker 2: I mean APIs now just I want to pick up

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01:49:22,412 --> 01:49:25,732
Speaker 2: on that text before that mentioned was it? Where was it?

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Speaker 2: And it said we've had so many ticks come in

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01:49:27,372 --> 01:49:29,532
Speaker 2: and here it is what happens if a friend messages

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01:49:29,612 --> 01:49:32,213
Speaker 2: you something personal and doesn't want anyone to know, and

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01:49:32,253 --> 01:49:34,452
Speaker 2: your partner sees those aren't you letting the friend down

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01:49:34,532 --> 01:49:37,933
Speaker 2: with your partner seeing it? And I absolutely agree with

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01:49:37,973 --> 01:49:41,892
Speaker 2: that because my phone contains some private messages, a couple

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01:49:41,933 --> 01:49:45,692
Speaker 2: of photos, maybe conversations with friends that they thought they

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01:49:45,692 --> 01:49:49,532
Speaker 2: were just sending to me. And then if MAE sees

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01:49:49,612 --> 01:49:53,652
Speaker 2: those conversations, there's nothing nefarious or dirty about them, but

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01:49:53,933 --> 01:49:57,492
Speaker 2: that might just breach the trust and the privacy of

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01:49:57,532 --> 01:49:59,132
Speaker 2: that person that sent me those messages.

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01:49:59,452 --> 01:50:03,972
Speaker 3: Yeah, the elephant in the room is someone's browsing history. Yeah, yeah,

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01:50:04,013 --> 01:50:07,452
Speaker 3: never and a relationship should you browse incognito?

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01:50:08,372 --> 01:50:08,932
Speaker 2: Hundred percent?

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01:50:09,173 --> 01:50:09,333
Speaker 6: Yeah?

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01:50:09,452 --> 01:50:12,133
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty.

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01:50:11,973 --> 01:50:14,173
Speaker 3: Is this business is always have an affair with someone

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01:50:14,173 --> 01:50:16,012
Speaker 3: in a relationship. Keeps it simple?

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01:50:16,572 --> 01:50:19,213
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, good cool, it's ten to four.

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01:50:19,412 --> 01:50:24,053
Speaker 3: I didn't predict this would spin off into advice on

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01:50:24,412 --> 01:50:25,732
Speaker 3: how to successfully run an.

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Speaker 2: A fair Yeah, but we can hear from you. Nine

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Speaker 2: two opened anything, oh, eight hundred eighty, ten eighty.

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Speaker 1: The big stories, the big issues, the big trends, and

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01:50:35,053 --> 01:50:39,173
Speaker 1: everything in between. Matt Heath and Tyler Adams afternoons used talks.

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Speaker 7: It'd be.

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoon to you. So we're talking about sharing

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01:50:42,853 --> 01:50:45,692
Speaker 2: your passwords to devices with your significant other. Is it

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01:50:45,772 --> 01:50:47,852
Speaker 2: a good idea? Does it show trust or do you

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01:50:47,893 --> 01:50:51,012
Speaker 2: want a bit of privacy? This is a great text. Okay, guys,

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01:50:51,013 --> 01:50:54,333
Speaker 2: I'm a handsome chap oh go you and my wife

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01:50:54,372 --> 01:50:57,532
Speaker 2: is very pretty. So every time we go out or

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01:50:57,572 --> 01:50:59,532
Speaker 2: should go out alone, both of both of us are

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01:50:59,532 --> 01:51:01,732
Speaker 2: getting his on and you don't know if someone's sure

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01:51:01,732 --> 01:51:05,132
Speaker 2: shanking her and slowly chipping away at the wall, waiting

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01:51:05,173 --> 01:51:06,492
Speaker 2: for a chink in the armor.

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01:51:06,572 --> 01:51:09,372
Speaker 3: Sometimes there's a number of ways could be sure shanking someone.

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01:51:09,372 --> 01:51:11,532
Speaker 3: I'm glad it's the chipping away at the wall behind

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01:51:11,572 --> 01:51:12,612
Speaker 3: the reta Heyward poster.

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01:51:12,973 --> 01:51:17,053
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had heard that phrase before. Since I know

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01:51:17,133 --> 01:51:19,532
Speaker 2: what guys are like, there's a high chance they will

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01:51:19,572 --> 01:51:23,053
Speaker 2: try their luck. That's why I'm saying, Oh, this was

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01:51:23,093 --> 01:51:26,253
Speaker 2: the fellow talking about getting getting with someone who's not

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01:51:26,293 --> 01:51:29,372
Speaker 2: as attractive as yourself in terms of marriage. That's what

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01:51:29,412 --> 01:51:32,133
Speaker 2: I'm saying. Someone uglier than me would be easier because

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01:51:32,133 --> 01:51:35,013
Speaker 2: it's just not a problem that they constantly been hit on.

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01:51:35,133 --> 01:51:37,532
Speaker 2: Probably some of my insecurity as well, though.

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01:51:37,853 --> 01:51:41,492
Speaker 3: This says nobody should have any body's password or phone access.

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01:51:41,532 --> 01:51:45,532
Speaker 3: If someone acts untrustworthy, leave leave, leave, don't waste any

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01:51:45,572 --> 01:51:49,452
Speaker 3: more time. Where there's smoke, there is fire. Well, but

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01:51:49,572 --> 01:51:52,972
Speaker 3: sometimes people are just suspicious, and sometimes you go looking

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01:51:53,093 --> 01:51:55,852
Speaker 3: for stuff and you find it or you if you've

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01:51:55,853 --> 01:51:59,012
Speaker 3: got a narrative, you can twist anything into being something. Yeah,

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01:51:59,053 --> 01:52:03,452
Speaker 3: you know, so maybe that massage parlor is just a

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01:52:03,532 --> 01:52:04,652
Speaker 3: sports massage part.

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01:52:04,772 --> 01:52:06,452
Speaker 2: Yeah, might just had a few crooks in his back.

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01:52:06,732 --> 01:52:09,372
Speaker 3: Hey, guys have made of mind a piece of fluff.

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01:52:09,572 --> 01:52:11,652
Speaker 3: And she decided she was going to tell his wife

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01:52:11,652 --> 01:52:13,572
Speaker 3: because he was worth a lot of money as well,

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01:52:13,853 --> 01:52:16,333
Speaker 3: so she wanted a piece of it, piece of the action.

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01:52:16,452 --> 01:52:19,532
Speaker 3: My mate was distraught and worried as hell. I said

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01:52:19,532 --> 01:52:22,812
Speaker 3: to him, give me her number. Within hours of texting her,

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01:52:22,933 --> 01:52:25,053
Speaker 3: I was in the sack with her. This is a

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01:52:25,133 --> 01:52:27,772
Speaker 3: really sordid story with her as well. And I told

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01:52:27,812 --> 01:52:29,692
Speaker 3: my mate and he rang. He said he was really

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01:52:29,812 --> 01:52:32,333
Speaker 3: upset with what she had done. Funny that that was

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01:52:32,372 --> 01:52:34,652
Speaker 3: the end of it, and she didn't ring his wife.

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01:52:35,213 --> 01:52:37,372
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's a sort of affair there. I mean,

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01:52:37,812 --> 01:52:39,652
Speaker 3: you know, so you said that you're going to help

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01:52:39,692 --> 01:52:43,412
Speaker 3: out your mate by wringing this person. Then you've ended

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01:52:43,492 --> 01:52:46,732
Speaker 3: up in the sack with her, and that's There's a

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01:52:46,772 --> 01:52:48,772
Speaker 3: lot going on there happening to us.

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01:52:48,853 --> 01:52:50,532
Speaker 2: We start off with a quite a you know, a

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01:52:50,572 --> 01:52:53,093
Speaker 2: g rated topic and I love it, We love it.

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01:52:53,293 --> 01:52:55,692
Speaker 2: But then it turns into strategies for having a bit

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01:52:55,692 --> 01:52:57,052
Speaker 2: of a bit of fluff on the site.

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01:52:57,333 --> 01:52:59,892
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean has that happened a lot on

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01:52:59,933 --> 01:53:02,812
Speaker 3: the show. I think seems to I think that's just

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01:53:02,812 --> 01:53:04,852
Speaker 3: where your mind's going. I think I think you're looking

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01:53:05,013 --> 01:53:08,293
Speaker 3: for strategies, and that's why you don't share your passwords

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01:53:08,412 --> 01:53:09,012
Speaker 3: with your partner.

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01:53:09,053 --> 01:53:11,333
Speaker 2: But thanks so much for listening to the show. Everyone.

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01:53:11,372 --> 01:53:13,452
Speaker 3: The pot will be out so soon if you missed anything.

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01:53:13,492 --> 01:53:15,293
Speaker 3: The powerful Heather Deep of See Allen will be up

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01:53:15,333 --> 01:53:21,052
Speaker 3: with everything on the Charlie Kirk assassination situation. But right now, Tyler,

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01:53:21,652 --> 01:53:24,292
Speaker 3: my very good friend, tell me why I'm playing this song.

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01:53:24,572 --> 01:53:28,253
Speaker 2: Oh, part time lover, Steve, because there seems to be

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01:53:28,333 --> 01:53:30,652
Speaker 2: quite a few people listening to Matt and Tyler Afternoons

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01:53:30,652 --> 01:53:32,573
Speaker 2: with a part time lover didn't wouldn't.

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01:53:32,253 --> 01:53:34,133
Speaker 3: Stevie want to need an accomplice if he was going

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01:53:34,133 --> 01:53:36,812
Speaker 3: to be running a fair, it would.

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01:53:36,652 --> 01:53:39,133
Speaker 2: Be pretty hard for him. Yeah, yeah, it needs it

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01:53:39,213 --> 01:53:41,412
Speaker 2: needs someone to do the Edmond side of things on

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01:53:41,452 --> 01:53:46,412
Speaker 2: his phone. Someone's driving him to the restaurants and the motels. Yeah,

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01:53:46,412 --> 01:53:47,933
Speaker 2: it's got enough money. I was supposed to do that.

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01:53:48,133 --> 01:53:49,372
Speaker 2: Absolute genius a man.

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01:53:49,412 --> 01:53:51,492
Speaker 3: Anyway, until tomorrow with you are what are you doing?

2347
01:53:51,652 --> 01:53:54,492
Speaker 3: Give him a taste of Kiwi you seem busy, will

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01:53:54,532 --> 01:53:57,372
Speaker 3: let you go, So see you tomorrow afternoon for another

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01:53:57,612 --> 01:54:01,333
Speaker 3: edition of Matt and Tyler Afternoons on News Talks ed

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01:54:01,412 --> 01:54:07,772
Speaker 1: Be for more from News Talk said B listen live

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01:54:07,933 --> 01:54:11,132
Speaker 1: on or online, and keep our shows with you wherever

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01:54:11,173 --> 01:54:13,773
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