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Speaker 1: Digging through the spin spins to find the real story gooring.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be Hey, good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming

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Speaker 2: up today. The boss of Sky TV on buying TV three,

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Speaker 2: Winston Peters on telling Israel and com As to stop

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Speaker 2: fighting Deex Yes, Murray Deeker has a problem with a tree.

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Speaker 2: And the boss of Why Cuts or UNI has asked

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Speaker 2: to come on the show and tell me what's what.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplicy Ellen, Well, the big news of the day

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Speaker 2: is another one dollar deal in the media, which you

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Speaker 2: know probably tells you everything you need to know about

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Speaker 2: the state of the industry. But this is on balance.

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Speaker 2: I would have thought good news for everyone. It's good

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Speaker 2: for you, for viewers, good for Sky, good for three.

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Speaker 2: And I'm going to work backwards on that. And let's

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Speaker 2: start with TV three. It's good news for three and

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Speaker 2: for the people who work there, because three continues to exist.

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Speaker 2: A very real alternative must have been for Warner Brothers

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Speaker 2: Discovery the owners to shut three down complete. Now they've

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Speaker 2: sold it for a dollar to Sky, it continues. It's

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Speaker 2: good news for Sky because it gives sky TV a

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Speaker 2: chance to make money again off stuff that they already own. So,

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Speaker 2: for example, let's just say white Lotus and I'm just

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Speaker 2: picking this randomly, but let's just say white Loadus. Sky

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Speaker 2: TV buys the rights to white Loadus, the broadcast rights

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: They earn the money off White Lotus by sticking it

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Speaker 2: on sky TV, sticking it on Neon, and we pay

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Speaker 2: a subscription to watch it. Now, they can wait a

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Speaker 2: few months, maybe till all of us who've paid for

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Speaker 2: it have watched it, and then they can dump white

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Speaker 2: Loatus for free on TV three and three now, which

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Speaker 2: is TV three's app, and then they can make money

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Speaker 2: off white Loadus all over again through advertising around the

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Speaker 2: free content.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: They can already do this with their sky Open channel,

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Speaker 2: which is a free to air channel they already have.

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Speaker 2: But who even knows where on the TV sky openers.

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Speaker 2: I have no bloody idea what number it is, never

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Speaker 2: even watched it before in my life, and does it

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Speaker 2: have an app? Wouldn't know. I know everything you need

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Speaker 2: to know about TV three. I've got the TV three app.

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Speaker 2: I know where to find it. It's number three on

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Speaker 2: the TV. There is a very strong brand attached to three.

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Speaker 2: More importantly, I would have thought for TV. For SkyTV,

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Speaker 2: this strengthens its arm for sports right SkyTV has now

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Speaker 2: got to be the only real choice in town for

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Speaker 2: sports content. Beforehand, at least domestically, TV and Z was

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Speaker 2: a real competitor, at least for the free to air portion,

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Speaker 2: given so many people watch TV and Z both it's

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Speaker 2: on air channels and its app. But now Sky TV's

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Speaker 2: got three same same. It doesn't need anything to It

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Speaker 2: doesn't need to have anything to do with TV and Z. Finally,

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Speaker 2: it's good for you and me this deal that was

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Speaker 2: struck today because who doesn't want excellent free content landing

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Speaker 2: channel that you already watched. So good day all round,

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Speaker 2: I would say hever dow nine tho is the text number.

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Speaker 2: Standard text fees apply. Now, are you being as careful

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Speaker 2: as you can when you're at the gym and you're

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Speaker 2: shoulder and lower back in reason the gym have increased

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Speaker 2: Industry experts have put this down to an increase in

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Speaker 2: strength training as the new exercise craze. Alex Flint is

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Speaker 2: the founder of body Talk Personal Training and the official

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Speaker 2: trainer for TV three's match Fit is with Us. Now, Hey, Alex,

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Speaker 2: Hi Heather, how are you. I'm very well, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Are you seeing more injuries at the gym.

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Speaker 5: Particularly in my gym, I'm proud to say not so many,

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Speaker 2: And now what's up with this craze, the strength training craze.

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Speaker 5: Well, one of the biggest rises that we've seen is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're getting in there, you're doing you're clean and pressing.

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Speaker 2: You've no idea what you're doing right, and so you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's one of those you know, we just

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Speaker 5: But we've just got to take our time to get

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Speaker 2: Do you think part of the problem is that you

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Speaker 2: Has this replaced cardio?

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Speaker 5: I don't think we could say that it's replaced cardio.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, Alex, I really appreciate it. It's good

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Speaker 2: to talk to you. Alex Flint, who's the founder of

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Speaker 2: It on TV three. Hither this is good news for

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Speaker 2: Heather as well, because she is a Sky shareholder. Yes,

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Speaker 2: she is a Sky shareholder. And my shares have gone

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Speaker 2: The more people's strength training show, but more gyms operating

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Speaker 2: all hours and unsupervised. That's a fair point. Actually, if

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Speaker 2: for a disaster. Now, the media has finally finally tracked

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Speaker 2: down the wife of the Cold Play Kiss cap KISSCM couple.

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Speaker 2: the family's luxury estate in Maine, one hundred and sixty

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Speaker 2: do you not think that we're probably going too far.

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Speaker 2: And I say that because I clicked on that story,

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Speaker 2: Quarter past four.

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Speaker 6: It's the Heather Duper see Alan Drive Full show.

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Speaker 2: Here the CrossFit and it's poor technique and lieu of

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Speaker 2: hitting numbers, no doubt hugely responsible for the increase in injuries.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for that. Eighteen past four with me Now is

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Speaker 2: Darcy water Grave, sports talk host Darcy Welcome back, Thank

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Speaker 2: you very much. How was Europe?

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Speaker 7: Well, England and Paris. I wouldn't say well London and Paris.

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Speaker 7: More's the point, we just think to those two major

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Speaker 7: metropoliss I haven't been to London twenty twenty years.

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Speaker 2: Probably, Yeah, do you have a good time.

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Speaker 7: As I love the hate climb straight off straight into

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Speaker 7: it so much. But the size of that place in

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Speaker 7: I love that in Paris again, beautiful place. The people

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Speaker 2: Literally the first person I've ever heard say the people

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Speaker 7: I sat there right and I was going not be

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Speaker 7: because I'm like people watching. So we sat there for

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Speaker 7: a couple of hours. The clothes and the style and

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Speaker 7: people gazing. Four that mighty Kneecap drove all the way

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Speaker 2: D you actually know who they are? Or were you

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Speaker 2: just watching them because they share your frustration about Palestine?

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Speaker 2: That'd be Hey, do you know who we're talking today?

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Speaker 2: Try that again? Do you know who we're talking to today? Deeks?

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Speaker 11: Israel's military response to the events of October seven, twenty

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Speaker 1: This putting the challenging questions to the people at the

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when Chris Bishop and Chris Penk announced

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Speaker 2: So these hours is going up everywhere. Thirteen thousand of

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Speaker 6: It's the world wires on youth talks. They'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: So as I was telling you, twenty eight foreign ministers,

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Speaker 2: The joint statement has come as the IDF poscious further

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Speaker 12: The tanks and in front of us, and there were

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has ordered the release of two hundred and

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Speaker 2: Luther King Junior. The Atlanta Journal Constitutions Washington Bureau chief says,

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Speaker 13: He went from the Washington commanders to the MLK files.

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Speaker 2: He's done a three hour interview with a YouTuber called

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Speaker 6: And God bless him.

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Speaker 14: You know what, he supposedly treats his friends really well,

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Speaker 6: Why do I have to listen to you?

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of Mind

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Speaker 2: Hunter making his parents proud forever twenty two away from

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Speaker 2: five Sam Emery, Australia corresponding with us. Now, hey Sam, Heather,

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 2: Your childcare situation just gets worse and worse, doesn't it.

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Speaker 15: It's not looking good. This is a horrible story that's

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Speaker 15: the AID worker over there. So the Coalition has not

436
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Speaker 15: stayed silent. It's first Parliament sitting for the new leader,

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Speaker 15: new Opposition Leader Susan Lee and the Foreign Affairs spokesperson

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Speaker 15: Mac Cash, who have slammed this statement as one sided,

439
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Speaker 15: pointing out that the letter neglects the October seven terror

440
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Speaker 15: attack as they call it by Hamas. They argue Australia

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Speaker 15: should reaffirm its support for Israel and their right to

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Speaker 15: self defense while still pushing for a access to Gaza.

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Speaker 15: Even Simon Birmingham, Shadow Minister, has come out echoing that

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Speaker 15: Australia must hold both sides to account, calling out Hamas

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Speaker 15: for breaking cease fires while also condemning civilian suffering in Gaza.

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Speaker 15: How you can balance that? I have no idea how

447
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Speaker 15: I feel for the government at the moment in this situation.

448
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Speaker 15: But there's clear support on the ground with people and

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Speaker 15: that's why I think they put a government like labor

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Speaker 15: in that there is support now, you know, for Hamas

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Speaker 15: and for the Palestinians bought people in Gaza. And it's

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Speaker 15: unusual in our media here to be sort of hearing

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Speaker 15: this condemnic of a very close ally. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, what is interesting, and I commented on this just

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Speaker 2: a little bit earlier, is that it's you guys are

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Speaker 2: going a lot harder in your media over this particular

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Speaker 2: joint statement than we are in New Zealand. I can't

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Speaker 2: quite understand why what's going on. Is it a slow

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Speaker 2: news day for you guys, or do people in Australia

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Speaker 2: actually genuinely want to discuss this.

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Speaker 15: It's I wouldn't say it's a slow newsday, you know,

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Speaker 15: with government sitting for the first day, it is. It

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Speaker 15: is a strangely hot topic here in Australia. Even whether

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Speaker 15: you're sitting in Parliament or whether you're sitting at a

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Speaker 15: dinner table, you basically can't really have a conversation without

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Speaker 15: it getting into this very heated, one sided conversation between

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Speaker 15: whoever's involved and it seems that you know, we've got

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Speaker 15: we've always had a very close alliance with Israel, and

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Speaker 15: you know, as a former journalists, I know that every

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Speaker 15: time I brought it up on air, there was always

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Speaker 15: letters following it no matter what you said, you know,

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Speaker 15: from different organizations and questioning why you were talking about

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Speaker 15: it in the media. So it's a very tricky and

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Speaker 15: oddly hot topic for Australia, but it is honestly will

475
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Speaker 15: dominate politics, I think, along with the childcare this week,

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Speaker 15: and I really don't know where they're going to land.

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Speaker 15: Really the public wants support for, you know, the people

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Speaker 15: who were the civilians who are getting killed and losing

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Speaker 15: their homes. But yeah, it's a difficult international diplomatic situation

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Speaker 15: for a new government to be handling.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sad listen, was it lithium batteries that caused the

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Speaker 2: fire on the flight?

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Speaker 15: Yep, it's another thing that's been discussed here in Australia,

484
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Speaker 15: these lithian batteries that are in U E bikes and

485
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Speaker 15: all these sorts of things and the terrifying scenes aboard.

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Speaker 15: It sounds like it was all handled very well. Virgin

487
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Speaker 15: of come out saying that the plane landed no problems.

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Speaker 15: It was a Boeing seven three seven. An engine on

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Speaker 15: the left hand side caught fire just after it took off,

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Speaker 15: and you know reports and the video if you're looking

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Speaker 15: at the footage online, you know the flames licking the

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Speaker 15: sky and all those things on the wing of the plane.

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Speaker 15: Everyone's worst nightmare when you first get on a plane.

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Speaker 15: You think, oh gosh. People were texting their loved ones.

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Speaker 15: You know, they really didn't think know where it was

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Speaker 15: going to go and how it was going to end

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Speaker 15: up for everyone. But thankfully it's all good news. Everyone

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Speaker 15: is faith But when you're twenty thousand feet in the

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Speaker 15: air and the wing looks like it's on fire, it's

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Speaker 15: certainly something that you don't want to try and ever

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Speaker 15: have to face.

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Speaker 2: All arming, Sam, thanks very much, look after yourself. Sam Memory,

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Speaker 2: Australia correspondent. Listen, something is going on on the Auckland

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Speaker 2: Motorway that has people. I'm kind of I was vaguely

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Speaker 2: aware of it. I was aware that the police had

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Speaker 2: closed down some lanes because there's a thing going on

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Speaker 2: on the side of the motorway on a footpath or

508
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Speaker 2: something like that. But mattis I have had a number

509
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Speaker 2: of texts about this. Now Matt has sent me this hither.

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Speaker 2: I've been on the road for three hours forty five minutes.

511
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Speaker 2: I've traveled three k's trying to get home from the

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Speaker 2: city to pick up children from school that I've had

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Speaker 2: them now taken home by teachers. A reaction by the

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Speaker 2: police to close every single lane of the motorway is

515
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Speaker 2: an unmitigated disaster. Also, Martin's emailed me saying feel free

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Speaker 2: to pursue vigorously the question line to the cops regarding

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Speaker 2: the colossal closure of the Southern Motorway this afternoon seems

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Speaker 2: like it's an abundance of caution from the motorists. I

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Speaker 2: was stuck in traffic an hour before I realized the

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Speaker 2: Southern Motorway I was heading for wasn't even open. And

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Speaker 2: I imagine the repercussions are probably still resonating. Okay, see,

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Speaker 2: let me know what's going on, if you can see,

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Speaker 2: if I'll tell you what what I really want. I

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Speaker 2: really want to hear from somebody who's near what's going on.

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Speaker 2: Let me know what you can see over there, because

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Speaker 2: it doesn't sound it's like not an active thing. It

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Speaker 2: looks like it's a having a look around thing and Laura, Laura,

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Speaker 2: do you want to call the cops or she says

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Speaker 2: it's been open since three o'clock. Anyway, just call the cops.

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Speaker 7: Just do it.

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Speaker 2: Do your job. She's gonna call the cops. She's smiling

532
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Speaker 2: and happy, so happy to have more work to do.

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Speaker 2: Call to two Politics next for politics.

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Speaker 6: With centrics credit check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certainty, whether it's takes me to two hours to get

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Speaker 2: from Marua Road to Carbine Road, which is all of

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Speaker 2: three k's wagging the phone. Call for your twelve away

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Speaker 2: from five and Barry Sober, Senior political correspondence with me

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Speaker 2: right now. Hay Barry, good afternoon, Heather. Okay, what's going

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Speaker 2: to happen as a result of this joint statement?

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Speaker 7: Ah well, nothing.

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Speaker 16: Really, let's face it. I mean, I had to lock

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Speaker 16: up through the UN, that greater morphous body that I've

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Speaker 16: discussed on this program before. The UN General Assembly, they

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Speaker 16: passed seventeen resolutions condemning Israel last year. The whole of

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Speaker 16: the rest of the world combined, there were six resolutions

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Speaker 16: passed against countries, so seventeen on Israel. And of course

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Speaker 16: we know that much of Gaza has been reduced to rubble,

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Speaker 16: and the killing has been terrible there, to the tune

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Speaker 16: that a lot of people won't even look at it.

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Speaker 16: And I know you'll probably one of them, Heather, that

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Speaker 16: doesn't like to see what's going on there.

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Speaker 8: It's just so bad.

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Speaker 16: Winston Peters outlined the the twenty eight Western nations demanding

555
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Speaker 16: Israel ends the war, and he was followed later in

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Speaker 16: the debate, which went on for the best part of

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Speaker 16: half an hour, by the Maldi party co leader Rowery

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Speaker 16: White to team.

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Speaker 11: This war must end hour, that this suffering is intolerable.

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Speaker 11: In that joint Staven, we condemned Hama's continued detention of

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Speaker 11: hostages and call for the immediate and unconditional release. And

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Speaker 11: we condemned Israel's policies which are leading to untold and

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Speaker 11: unimaginable suffering and death among Palestinian civilians, and we call

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Speaker 11: for it to comply with its obligations on international humanitarian law.

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Speaker 17: We must end this human crisis. Sanction Israel, Sanction everyone

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Speaker 17: supporting them, and again we demand Israel open the bloody

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Speaker 17: gates and stop the genocide. We need strong sanctions, explosion

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Speaker 17: of the Israel ambassador. As we have called in the past,

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Speaker 17: we don't need fight fight be host solutions, which means

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Speaker 17: following the fractulance of others like the US. Why does

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Speaker 17: this ministerial statement not call for an immediate and unconditional

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Speaker 17: ceasefire by Israel.

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Speaker 11: Well, perhaps because one of the conditions has yet to

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Speaker 11: be met, like giving back the hostages.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, and that's a fair point. I mean, you can

576
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Speaker 16: argue this thing every which way. I mean, it's absolutely horrible.

577
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Speaker 16: And the point that Peter's made in Parliament this afternoon,

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Speaker 16: it's been going on for decades and let's hope finally

579
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Speaker 16: it comes to a head. But comes to a head

580
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Speaker 16: at the expense of the whole Gaza strip is basically

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Speaker 16: ninety one percent has been flattened and fifty nine thousand

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Speaker 16: people killed. It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: You're a big fan of this Harmony accord, are you.

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Speaker 16: Yes, I am, And I think the right person who

585
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Speaker 16: actually initiated it was Mark Mitchell. Now Mitch's he worked

586
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Speaker 16: in the Middle East for several years and he knows

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Speaker 16: the area well, and he got together leaders of the

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Speaker 16: Muslim and Jewish communities and they signed this accord because

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Speaker 16: what I think it's important is that we all have

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Speaker 16: views on what's going on in the Middle East, and

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Speaker 16: whenever you have a discussion around the dinner table, people

592
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Speaker 16: get very heated about this all over the place. But

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Speaker 16: the thing is that what Mitch wants to do is

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Speaker 16: probably dampen it down a bit in this country. And

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Speaker 16: there's been so many anti Semitic statements and anti Islam

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Speaker 16: islamophobia in this country, and this accord, he hopes from

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Speaker 16: the leaders of these communities will speak to those that

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Speaker 16: listen to them and say, listen, you can't dislike the

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Speaker 16: Jewish population just as the Jewish population because of what's

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Speaker 16: happening there we live in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: Credit to him for that, But where it misses the

602
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Speaker 2: point slightly is I'm not entirely sure it's always the

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Speaker 2: Muslim community having a crack at the Jewish community over

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Speaker 2: what's going on, and vice versa. It's it's Randoms who

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Speaker 2: belong to the Green Party seem to be what for example,

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Speaker 2: and various other outfits who get the most worked up

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Speaker 2: about about the situation point. And I'm not sure they're

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Speaker 2: going to take the lead of the Jewish and the

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Speaker 2: Muslim leaders.

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Speaker 16: Here, just like they're not going to take the lead

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Speaker 16: of the twenty eight countries that signed up to the haidariation.

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Speaker 2: Nor do we have a massive problem like they do

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Speaker 2: in Melbourne, right, No, No, we don't. We do not, thankfully.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: So you know it's one of those things though that

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Speaker 16: people get very charged and rightly so about, because they

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Speaker 16: said on the television screens night up to night up

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Speaker 16: to night.

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Speaker 2: Yep, Barry, thanks very much, Barry. So for senior political

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Speaker 2: correspond to listen to polled out his pole has been leaked.

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Speaker 2: Let's get you across that next eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the time questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 18: And the longer way to wake out of medical schoolers

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Speaker 18: go sing in browns. The health industry, are they going

625
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Speaker 18: to run a model where if you're of a certain race,

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Speaker 18: you get in more recently like a tiger in Auckland.

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Speaker 9: I have to focus here on attracting and retaining people

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Speaker 9: from those.

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Speaker 6: More rural communities. So will they or won't they?

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Speaker 15: Their admission criteria will be developed.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, but if it's developed where a Murray person gets

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Speaker 18: in on seventy nine percent and everyone else's ninety eight percent,

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Speaker 18: are you going to do.

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Speaker 6: On the front about that or not? The priority here

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Speaker 6: is to make sure we're getting people from regional New Zealand.

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Speaker 18: But a simple question to me, if the regional person

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Speaker 18: happens to be Murray, will they get in with a

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Speaker 18: lower score than a non Murray.

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Speaker 19: If we want to make sure it's a fear system,

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Speaker 19: is the current system?

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Speaker 6: Well, that's why we're doing a review of it.

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Speaker 18: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 18: Bayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB Here the.

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Speaker 2: Police officer here read what's happening with the Southern Motorway

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Speaker 2: in Auckland. I'm sure you will all know in due course,

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Speaker 2: but in the meantime, trust me when I say it

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Speaker 2: is extremely lucky that no one was hurt and we

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Speaker 2: had no choice but to close the motorway for that

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Speaker 2: duration as we needed to keep anyone nearby from being hurt.

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Speaker 2: There is no overreaction here. Thank you for that, Thomas,

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. Four away from five Now the poll. There

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Speaker 2: is a leak of the Talbot Mills polling for commercial clients.

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Speaker 2: Now that is important because it only ever gets leak

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Speaker 2: when it's good for labor. But that doesn't mean it

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Speaker 2: is not worthy and worthwhile knowing what's going on here.

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Speaker 2: So this is what the poll says. It's not good

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Speaker 2: for the government. Basically, seventy six percent of people think

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Speaker 2: the economy was not so good or poor. Fifty one

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Speaker 2: percent of people believe the country is headed on the

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Speaker 2: wrong track. Fifty one percent disapprove rather of the government's performance.

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Speaker 2: So the vast majority of people are not happy about

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Speaker 2: the government, the way the country is headed, or what's

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Speaker 2: going on with the economy thirty eight percent. Only thirty

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Speaker 2: eight percent believe the government deserves to be re elected.

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Speaker 2: Forty eight percent thinks it's time to give another party

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Speaker 2: a go. Most ACT supporters, sixty seven percent believe National

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Speaker 2: deserves a second term. But here's your problem. New Zealand

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Speaker 2: First supporters are divided. Forty percent think National deserves reelection,

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Speaker 2: Forty three percent do not believe National deserves reelection. If

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Speaker 2: they don't go for National, who do they go for?

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Speaker 2: They go for Labor. Forty percent believe labor is ready

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Speaker 2: to govern them. Thirty nine percent say Labor's not ready

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Speaker 2: to govern That right, there is your problem, because both

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Speaker 2: sides need Winston Peters and if his If his supporters

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Speaker 2: are divided, well, it gives them two options, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Sophie Maloney? If sky TV is with us next on

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Speaker 2: buying TV three for one dollar.

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Speaker 8: Tow fly twice, time flies only twice.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture? Heather Dupasy on Drive with one New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be afternoon. We have got another one dollar deal.

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Speaker 2: SkyTV is buying TV three from Warner Brothers Discovery for

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Speaker 2: a single dollar. It will take on none of TV

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Speaker 2: three's death Now the investors are loving it. Shares and

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Speaker 2: sky TV are up more than five percent today the move.

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Speaker 2: It gives sky TV a huge free to air platform

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Speaker 2: and will undoubtedly put pressure on TV as Z. Sophie

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Speaker 2: Maloney is the boss of sky TV. Hi, Sophie, you

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Speaker 2: gotta hear that. How are you doing well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Have you cracked a champagne yet?

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Speaker 8: No?

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Speaker 20: I heaven These are very important discussion so but thrilled

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Speaker 20: to be with you and share this exciting news.

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Speaker 2: This is a bargain. I mean, have you got the

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Speaker 2: bargain of the year.

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Speaker 20: Look, we worked hard with Warner Brothers Discovery to get

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Speaker 20: to a very good place here and we're absolutely thrilled

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Speaker 20: about welcoming the Discovery New Zealand team into the wider

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Speaker 20: Sky business. So yeah, it's a great opportunity for us

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Speaker 20: that we're uniquely placed to go after.

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Speaker 2: So are you going to shut down Sky Open the channel?

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Speaker 20: No, not at this where we're definitely just continuing business

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Speaker 20: as usual. We've got a full transition plan to set through.

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Speaker 20: You know, we don't actually complete until the first of August,

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Speaker 20: and so there's absolute continuity of content and delivery across

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Speaker 20: all of the channels and no change in the near future.

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Speaker 20: In time, of course, we'll have a look across all

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Speaker 20: of it and see what's the best way to deliver

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Speaker 20: for all.

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Speaker 2: Of New Zealand.

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Speaker 20: But as things stand, absolutely no change and we're excited

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Speaker 20: about the offering on Sky Open.

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Speaker 21: Right.

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Speaker 2: But this is obviously this is the platform where you

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Speaker 2: put your free to air content, well, once you've monetized

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Speaker 2: it and got all the money you can out of it.

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Speaker 2: Behind the pay all of Neon and Sky TV, surely

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Speaker 2: this is where you put it for the advertising. Well,

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Speaker 2: I think there's actually different audiences and different content that

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Speaker 2: resonates across free and pay, and as you say, though,

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Speaker 2: this does give us an awesome opportunity to deliver right

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Speaker 2: across the piece, and we're really excited. You know, three

725
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Speaker 2: has an amazing history and three now it was the

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Speaker 2: missing platform from our go to market from an advertising perspective,

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Speaker 2: So that's a.

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Speaker 20: Very exciting part of the deal for us. And it's

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Speaker 20: got a massively diverse audience from what we have on

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Speaker 20: the Sky side.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so does this basically mean that TV ANDS is

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Speaker 2: no longer an option when it comes to sports negotiations,

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Speaker 2: You guys are the only game in town because you've

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Speaker 2: got the existing infrastructure of SkyTV. You can broadcast it,

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Speaker 2: you can do all of that hard work. You've also

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Speaker 2: got the free to air platform now in TV three. No, look,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's the end of that at all.

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Speaker 2: I think TVNZ's a super important player in the market.

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Speaker 2: They're still the juggernaut in terms of advertising revenue share,

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Speaker 2: and you know, ultimately hither it is about the sports

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Speaker 2: partners and where they want to be showcasing their content

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Speaker 2: and it still needs to make financial sense, right, So

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Speaker 2: I think it's actually really important for the local media

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Speaker 2: ecosystem that you do have two vibrant opportunities for sport

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Speaker 2: partners and beyond. Is this why the rugby broadcast deal

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Speaker 2: and the netball broadcast deal has not been tidied up

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Speaker 2: and finished by the time we all thought they were

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Speaker 2: going to be because you guys were waiting for the steal.

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Speaker 18: No, not at all.

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Speaker 20: This is unrelated. This deal has been worked on for

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Speaker 20: a long time. It came to fruition finally last night

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Speaker 20: and is unconnected to both of those arrangements.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to keep the news at six on

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Speaker 2: TV three? Again?

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Speaker 20: Absolutely no change. So yeah, we're going to be keeping

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Speaker 20: the news at six and we're excited about that partnership

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Speaker 20: with stuff going forward. You know, once it's complete from

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Speaker 20: the first of August.

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Speaker 2: How long has that deal got to run between TV.

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Speaker 20: Three and to hear that confidential information? But there's a

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Speaker 20: decent period to run, which is great.

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Speaker 2: What's a decent period? Are it all years or months?

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Speaker 20: Because yeah, yeah, longer than months, Heather, longer than months.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because you're going to have to cut it right.

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Speaker 8: It is.

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Speaker 2: It is expensive and it is not delivering, is it?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I don't I wouldn't say that at all.

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Speaker 20: In fact, I think the team have done a remarkable

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Speaker 20: job and we know news is super important, right you

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Speaker 20: were talking about that earlier, that we've got to make

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Speaker 20: sure we've got news coverage speaking the word decent. So

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Speaker 20: absolutely no change to the delivery of three News in

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Speaker 20: the partnership with Stuff, and I think it's a really

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Speaker 20: important aspect of this steal that we do continue to

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Speaker 20: see news thriving. Doesn't mean we're going to go created ourselves,

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Speaker 20: by the way, it's really important that we partner with

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Speaker 20: local news providers who've got all the infrastructure and talent.

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Speaker 20: So you need never know here that maybe there'll be

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Speaker 20: an opportunity for you.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this. Okay, listen, are you are you gonna

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Speaker 2: crack If you haven't cracked a champagne yet, are you

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Speaker 2: going to crack your champagne tonight?

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Speaker 20: We are definitely going to have a champagne. As a team,

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Speaker 20: they've worked incredibly hard to get to this place, so yeah,

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Speaker 20: it's a thrilling place to be.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Enjoy it very much, Sophie. Thank you, Sophie Maloney,

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Speaker 2: Chief Executive sky TV Ever do for c l okay

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Speaker 2: to the Middle East, New Zealand has joined twenty seven

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Speaker 2: other countries in a joint statement condemning the killing of

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Speaker 2: Gars and civilians and called for an immediate ceasefire in Palestine.

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Speaker 2: Statement was signed by Foreign Minister Winston Peters. Winston, Hello, Yillo,

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Speaker 2: is anything actually going to change because of this joint statement?

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Speaker 11: Well, it's a serious step up. We've got twenty eight

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Speaker 11: countries now and now you has joining us, so it's

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Speaker 11: starting to build and let's hope that this time we're successful.

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Speaker 2: You will Seriously, is anything going to change?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 2: As long as the US, Winston, as long as the

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Speaker 2: US is in supportive Israel, they're not going to stop,

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Speaker 2: are they.

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Speaker 11: Look, Donald Trump has expressed very clearly here's outer frustration

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Speaker 11: on what's going on. He made it as clear as

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Speaker 11: clear as possible. We just hope that the pressure building

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Speaker 11: up now will see this come turn end. But remember this,

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Speaker 11: our masters still keeping those hostages they took on the

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Speaker 11: seventh of October. This should be massively condemned as well.

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Speaker 11: It should be the prelude to this change. So it's difficult.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand that is Israel. Do you think pressing

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Speaker 2: ahead with its plans to clear the strip of Palestinians.

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Speaker 11: I can't say that I don't know what their plans are.

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Speaker 11: I mean, there's a whole lot of information out there

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Speaker 11: in the ether which is not based on fact, not sound,

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Speaker 11: and we have awfully cautious here to ensure that our

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Speaker 11: sources are better than some countries are.

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Speaker 2: Haven't they said publicly that they're going to do this.

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Speaker 11: No, some people have said in the Israeli Parliament that,

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Speaker 11: but that's not been the government's position.

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Speaker 2: What do you believe?

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Speaker 11: Well, and we're waiting, we're trying to find out what

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Speaker 11: it all means. But what we want is the strife

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Speaker 11: in the death over now while we try and help

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Speaker 11: put back together some sort of peaceful solution.

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Speaker 2: Okay, what is it that's brought on the statement? What

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Speaker 2: in particular, well.

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Speaker 11: What's particular has brought it on is the frustration that

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Speaker 11: we're engaged in long periods of helping out when this crisis,

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Speaker 11: humanitarian crisis, and yet there's no at the moment solution

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Speaker 11: that appears obvious to many of us. Stop the war

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Speaker 11: and finalize this matter, get around the peace table. But

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Speaker 11: both sides, in the case of our mass, not even

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Speaker 11: now can seeing that they should be giving those hostages back.

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Speaker 11: This is the outrage, and they're misusing so many Palestinians

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Speaker 11: in their desire to eradicate the state of Israel. This

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Speaker 11: is both sides wrong story.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Let's say that your hope is your wish comes

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Speaker 2: true and there is sufficient public pressure to force some

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Speaker 2: sort of a stop to the fighting. How does that

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Speaker 2: play out?

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Speaker 11: Well, I hope it plays out where we have an

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Speaker 11: opportunity to begin with the two state solution, which has

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Speaker 11: been out case across the political divide over decades. We've

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Speaker 11: always believed that and we're not giving up on that solution.

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Speaker 2: Yes, but what happens here, So let's say sufficient numbers

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Speaker 2: in the world say this is outrageous, pressure is put

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Speaker 2: on Donald Trump to pull support for Israel. Is that

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Speaker 2: likely to happen?

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Speaker 11: Well, I can't answer for the American people, and I

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Speaker 11: can't answer for the American government, but they are an

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Speaker 11: essential component of the solution.

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Speaker 6: I agree.

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Speaker 2: It can't happen without him, though, can it.

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Speaker 11: Well, it should be able to happen without the United States.

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Speaker 11: So that's in much pressure we require now to happen.

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Speaker 2: Winston, Thank you very much, Winston Peters Foreign Minister list

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk about this a little bit more. Also,

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Speaker 2: Murray Deek is with us next quarter pass. Hey, here's

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Speaker 2: a reminder. If you are wanting to buy yourself a

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Speaker 2: want it to be, or simply you can choose to

871
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 2: take the five thousand dollars and take a straight off

872
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 2: the retail price. Heaps of people, by the way, have

873
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: already picked up on the deal. In June, the Shark

874
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 2: six ute was the third best selling ute in New Zealand,

875
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: which is actually amazing given it's only been in New

876
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: Zealand for six months. So there you go, get on

877
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 2: to it. Check out byd Auto dot cod in.

878
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 6: Z Heather Dupers the Allen nineteen past five.

879
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 2: Now, a Perhota Carwa tree on Auckland's north shore has

880
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: proven controversial. The thing has fallen over into an apartment

881
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: complex's property. It's been lying there for three years now

882
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: and while the residents of the complex want to get

883
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: rid of it, they're not allowed now. As it happens,

884
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: one of our own broadcasters lives at the apartments. Murray Deeka,

885
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,279
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome back to drive.

886
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: Thank you lovely to be on the program. Much nicer

887
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: than that fella like it used to be on it.

888
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell him you said that. Now tell

889
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: me why can't you get rid of this tree?

890
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 3: Well, it's very difficult to know hither because half of

891
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 3: it fell over some years ago, about ten years ago,

892
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 3: fell through into the land which is part of the

893
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 3: boardwalk that the council is responsible for. There were some

894
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 3: kids smoking pot on the boardwalk at the time. The

895
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 3: master thought it was great pot. The council panicked and

896
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 3: came in with a whole group of people. That was

897
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 3: cut up and taken away in two days. This one

898
00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 3: fell on This is the other half of the tree

899
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 3: fell on our side of it. And although we were

900
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,319
Speaker 3: told initially that we could take it away, ten hours

901
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 3: later that was changed and they said if you touch

902
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: that tree, it will cost you three hundred thousand dollars.

903
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 3: It is a notable tree, even though it is on

904
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 3: your property. So even is it dead, Yeah, it's dead,

905
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: but you see there's still some roots there. And they

906
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: keep on bringing in arborists and they look at it

907
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: and they say, oh, I think there's something happening. It's

908
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 3: lying flat on the ground. It's as dead as a dodo.

909
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 3: So it looks terrible.

910
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: Somebody must be somebody must be telling the council that

911
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: they love it and they want to keep it.

912
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 15: Who is it.

913
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,919
Speaker 3: There's fifty eight people who have put in submission saying

914
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 3: they want it out, all right. Yeah, there are two

915
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,320
Speaker 3: only who have said no, we want it. One is

916
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 3: the WE and the other one is some green outfit.

917
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 3: But these none of these, the EWE nor the Green

918
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: Effort realize what a safety hasard it is, what a

919
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: fire risk it is, and that it's an area which

920
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 3: has ruined our the livelihood of a lot of kids

921
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 3: that come and visit their grandparents and roll down the hill.

922
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 3: There's no way they can do that now. It's just

923
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 3: not safe, right, So what are you going to do?

924
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 6: Well, there's a hearing on the.

925
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 3: Sixth of August, and I think that's probably why you've

926
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 3: got interested in this, and people can go along and

927
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 3: put their submissions in and I think that that'll be

928
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:34,479
Speaker 3: an interesting one. It's being heard by two independent people,

929
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 3: and it depends on how independent they are. If the

930
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 3: middle bureaucrats or lower bureaucrats are pointed by the council,

931
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 3: I wouldn't hold my hopes up because it seems to

932
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 3: me that are in our society today. And I'm not

933
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: speaking on behalf of any council, but it seems to

934
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: me that in our society today, where EWE is involved,

935
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 3: EWE gets what EWE wants.

936
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: Deeks thank you for your time, Mrray Deeker, apartment resident

937
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 2: frustrated by the Berherdakar at five point twenty two.

938
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 6: Checking the point of the story.

939
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: It's Heather duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

940
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: get connected and news tog Sai'd be Heather's.

941
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 2: So good to hear Deeks on the radio. I hope

942
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: he's good, mate. He is playing golf in California. Hey

943
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 2: is good. Five twenty four. Now to something that's not

944
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 2: quite as good, which is Gaza. Look, Unfortunately, I don't

945
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 2: hope hold a lot of hope for this joint statement

946
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: on Gaza achieving anything. Unfortunately, the sense that I got

947
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: from Winston just before is that he's hoping that the

948
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: thing gains He acknowledges it's not going to do anything

949
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: by itself, right, but he hopes that it gains momentum

950
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 2: and eventually that there is sufficient international pressure for it

951
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: to force Donald Trump through sheer pressure coming at him

952
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: from the world forces Donald Trump to withdraw support and

953
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: importantly arms from benjaminette Ya, who thereby forcing Israel to

954
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: stop what it's doing. Look, maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.

955
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: It is not the first joint statement from US since

956
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: this war started, and the others haven't worked. The war

957
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: is still going. I've thought about this every which way,

958
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: and I just cannot see this war ending until Hamas

959
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: ends it by releasing the hostages. Now, I know that

960
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 2: Hamas are not the ones doing the primary damage, right, now,

961
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: I mean October seven, twenty twenty three, it was them.

962
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 2: But right now the response from Israel is disproportionate, and

963
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 2: it's not Hamas doing it right now, right I know

964
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 2: it's Israel. I know it's the IDF killing the kids.

965
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 2: I know it's the IDF being instructed to round people

966
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 2: up and put them in a camp on the ruins

967
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: of Rafa. I know it's the IDF shooting people collecting food.

968
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 2: It's Israel committing the crimes. And the joint statement seems

969
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: to basically acknowledge that, because the joint statement is aimed

970
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 2: primarily at Israel. But the solution doesn't lie with Israel.

971
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: The solution lies with Hamas, because as long as they

972
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: hold those ten hostages, Israel has a story it can

973
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: tell the world for why it continues this military operation

974
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: in Gaza. If those hostages were released, though, Israel would

975
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: not have a reason for being in there with the

976
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: guns anymore. It could come up with the reason. It

977
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: could try, I mean, it could run the line that

978
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: it needs to keep operating to prevent further attacks, and

979
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 2: maybe that would be sufficient to rally some international sympathy

980
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: for the argument, but most international support would vapur evaporate

981
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: because it would have its hostages back, and international pressure

982
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 2: would then not have to contend with you know, yes,

983
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: Hummas still has the hostages. It could concentrate firmly on Israel,

984
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 2: stopping Israel and pressuring Trump to stop Israel. So I

985
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 2: do not see another way that this ends, which means

986
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: that as long as Humas holds those hostages, I do

987
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: not see it ending, no matter how outraged we are

988
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 2: at Israel, which we are, or no matter how many

989
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: countries signed that those joint statements. Here, the dupless, the

990
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: out We've got a statement from the coppers. What's going

991
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 2: on with the Southern Motorway in Auckland is that the

992
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,879
Speaker 2: police found a man's body off the motorway about half

993
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 2: past eleven, and then they found something nearby that looked

994
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 2: like a bomb. They took it away. It was not

995
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: a bomb, but it looked like a bomb. So you can,

996
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: I guess you can decide how you feel about that.

997
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 2: You can either call that at overreaction or you can

998
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: call that an abundance of caution, because I guess if

999
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 2: something looks like a bomb, you probably want to be

1000
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 2: a little bit careful around it. Don't you anyway, Let's

1001
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 2: talk next about those granny flats, because as I told

1002
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: you earlier, the granny flats are not We all thought

1003
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 2: you could just stick them up. You didn't need to

1004
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: do paperwork. Oh there's a lot of paperwork you still

1005
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 2: have to do. So maybe not as easy as it seemed.

1006
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:13,959
Speaker 2: News is next.

1007
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: After making the news, the news makers talk to Heather first.

1008
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

1009
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

1010
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 6: He'd be.

1011
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:39,239
Speaker 8: Heather.

1012
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm an arborist with thirty years experience. I've seen the

1013
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 2: fallen Perhuda car with tree at the apartments. It should

1014
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 2: be removed immediately. The bureaucracy is a joke. It doesn't

1015
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: serve any purpose where it lies. It's just an I

1016
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 2: soore and blocks access to the complex gardens. Thanks mebs

1017
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 2: Meds is just commenting on what deex was saying about

1018
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 2: the Poda cars. Now we're going to talk to the

1019
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 2: huddle very shortly. Just got to update you on what's

1020
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: going on with y Cuttle University. So I thought we'd

1021
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: done the why Cuttle University thing, but evidently not. And

1022
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: I thought also because Neil had been. This is Neil Quickly,

1023
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: the VC Vice Chancellor had been on with Mike this morning.

1024
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: I think I thought he'd had done his dash, But no,

1025
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: Neil and his people have got in touch with our

1026
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 2: show and said he would like to come on, and

1027
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 2: he had like a right of reply to the fact

1028
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 2: that I have said that I think the costs are

1029
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 2: going to blow out, and you know what we said, Okay, fine, whatever, Well,

1030
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 2: we'd love to hear both sides of every story, so

1031
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: come on on. So he'll be with us after six

1032
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 2: o'clock on that right now. It's twenty four away from six. Now.

1033
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: Remember the old Granny flats and the rule change that

1034
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 2: lets you put one on your property without having to

1035
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 2: get consent, Well, not so easy. You still need permission apparently,

1036
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 2: which means that the promise of thirteen thousand more flats

1037
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,439
Speaker 2: is probably slightly over inflated. Managing director of witburn Group,

1038
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 2: David Whitburner, is with us now, Hi, David, David, are

1039
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: you there?

1040
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 4: Yes?

1041
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: So are there?

1042
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 21: You are?

1043
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: Okay? If not thirteen thousand, how many?

1044
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 22: I think it's far more likely to see a bigger,

1045
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 22: more like three thousand or so extra dwellings.

1046
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 6: The reality is.

1047
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 22: It's a niche accommodation type of granny flat. It's not

1048
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 22: everyone's dream to live in a granny flat. It can

1049
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 22: be very useful for extended far and no living. Can

1050
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 22: be useful for an investment purpose to do it as well,

1051
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 22: but it's often very poor density for the tier Ian cities,

1052
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 22: they're limited to only one story seventy square meters in size,

1053
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 22: so it's a little bit of a niche activity type.

1054
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: Okay, what kind of permission do you still need to get?

1055
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 22: You still need to get a PIM or a project

1056
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 22: information memorandum. This gives the councils of territorial authorities the

1057
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 22: ability to screen out certain things like building too close

1058
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 22: to the neighbors and floodplains and culturally sensitive areas significant

1059
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 22: ecological areas, so there are quite a few constraints that

1060
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 22: will still mean that you need to get things up,

1061
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 22: surveys and architects involved to make sure that you're not

1062
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 22: breaching any rules with hazard and it can actually demonstrate

1063
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 22: to council you're treading storm and waste water properly and

1064
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 22: have got the appropriate vehicle access in parking, depending on

1065
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 22: the council that you're in.

1066
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 2: In all, So would you have to go through the

1067
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: rigmarole of getting an architect in all cases or just

1068
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 2: in the worst cases.

1069
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 22: In most cases you'll still need it only because you'll

1070
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 22: need to know what to order in terms of that,

1071
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 22: and nowadays the software is designed, it's much easier with

1072
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 22: the computer aided design text.

1073
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 6: You get your architect to do it.

1074
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 22: There should be some savings and some streamlinings from it,

1075
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 22: but not in all cases. But in most cases it's

1076
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 22: present to get an architect.

1077
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: And how much of pain in the butt is a

1078
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: PIM as opposed to go through for a resource consent.

1079
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 22: Let's just say, oh, a pym's much easier than getting

1080
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 22: a resource consent, but it still needs detailed information. This

1081
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 22: is where some of the councils have aver already been

1082
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 22: on record for being a little bit worried about it.

1083
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 22: They're worried about now they're planning teams are going to

1084
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Speaker 22: have to be the gatekeeper and block out numerous of

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Speaker 22: these granny flats. Whereas that they think the resource concent

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Speaker 22: process and building consent processes are better, the PEM still

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Speaker 22: needs detailed information on it, so you still need to

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Speaker 22: provide a site plan, a floor planning scale drawings to

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Speaker 22: make sure that you can demonstrate that you're hitting the

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Speaker 22: key adding controls.

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Speaker 2: All right, Hey David, thanks for that, appreciate it. That's

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Speaker 2: David Whitburn, the managing director of the Whitburn Group Project Development.

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Speaker 2: Right now, twenty one away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty Unique Homes

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Speaker 1: uniquely for you on the.

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Speaker 2: Huddle with me this evening. Thomas Scrimger of the Maximum

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Speaker 2: Institute and Phil GoF, former High Commissioner to the UK,

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Speaker 2: former Labor Patty leader, former foreigners the former Auckland mayor.

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Speaker 2: Hello are you two?

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Speaker 23: Gillay Heather Hi Thomas.

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Speaker 2: Now Sky TV Thomas. How good is the steal?

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Speaker 19: Well, they're probably overpaid. Aman a dollar seems a bit steep.

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Speaker 19: TV three has always been a bit broke. I could

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Speaker 19: end up being a good deal in the long term,

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Speaker 19: but it's only a Sky fines efficiencies, which is to say,

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Speaker 19: you know, job cuts, so it's sort of efforts good

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Speaker 19: for Sky's business, it's not good for people who currently

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Speaker 19: work for TV three. This won't prevent any of that

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Speaker 19: kind of decline there in terms of jobs available. I mean,

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Speaker 19: if your Sky TV. You're in the business of a

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Speaker 19: linear domestic TV programming.

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Speaker 3: This is a hail Mary. It might not work, but

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Speaker 3: what else would you do? My take?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think the people who will

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Speaker 2: be the most gutted about this today, phil will be

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Speaker 2: TV and Z. Don't you think.

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Speaker 23: Well, it ups the level of competition with TV and Z,

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Speaker 23: and that's probably not a bad thing. The Commerce Commission

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00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 23: is clearly okay with it. Warner Brothers couldn't make a

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Speaker 23: go of it and make it financially. The Sky people

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Speaker 23: think that they can, and it gives them real advantages.

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Speaker 23: My worry is what then happens to the TV three news.

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Speaker 23: I think the decline of TV three and one less

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Speaker 23: really well resourced news outlet is never a good thing

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Speaker 23: for coverage of current events and politics. So I'm hoping

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Speaker 23: that this won't be a further narrowing of news outlets

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Speaker 23: and where people can get news information from.

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Speaker 2: Do you watch the TV three news film?

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Speaker 23: I watch TV and Z on demand largely because then

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Speaker 23: I can watch it whatever time I want. I probably

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Speaker 23: could do the same with three. But you know, TV

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Speaker 23: one News is the resourced news channel.

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Speaker 6: Well, this is the trouble.

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Speaker 2: This is the trouble phill. What's the point in having

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Speaker 2: TV three news. I mean, let's be honest about it.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty cruddy. It's about I'd give it about

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Speaker 2: a six out of ten at the moment. So what's

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Speaker 2: the point in having it if it's just doing a

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Speaker 2: kind of a half fast job.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, yeah, I mean when I used to watch TV

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Speaker 23: one and three, you know, particularly when I was in politics,

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Speaker 23: you'd look avidly at what was showing on each and

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Speaker 23: how and they did show different perspectives on the same issues,

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Speaker 23: and that was quite useful, and some picked up issues

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Speaker 23: that the other channel had ignored, And I thought that

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Speaker 23: diversity of news was it was a really good thing. Now,

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Speaker 23: you know, because they've cut back on what, you know,

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Speaker 23: stuff news can provide for TV three, it's less valuable

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Speaker 23: than it was, but I think it's still valuable to

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Speaker 23: have some competition in providing news in different perspectives.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, Thomas, let's talk about the situation in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: How do you see this actually in reality ending?

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Speaker 19: Well, I'm not really one to make predictions about how

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Speaker 19: it will end, but my observation would be is that

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Speaker 19: I don't think we have any clear light at the

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Speaker 19: end of the tunnel. Honestly, I was a bit disappointed

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Speaker 19: with the quality of the statement that New Zealand signed

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Speaker 19: up to. I think it was somewhat confused, and so

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Speaker 19: the specific concern I have is that there are kind

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Speaker 19: of several different parts in the statement. Early on, it

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Speaker 19: talks about the hostages that Hamas currently holds of Israeli nationals,

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Speaker 19: and it says that a negotiated ceasefire offers the best

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Speaker 19: hope of bringing them home and ending their agony of

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Speaker 19: their families. So the statement is calling for a negotiated

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Speaker 19: ceasefire to bring the hostages home. But by the end

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Speaker 19: of the statement it says that we urge the parties

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Speaker 19: and the national community to unite in a common effort

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Speaker 19: to bring this terrible conflict to an end through an immediate,

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Speaker 19: unconditional and permanent ceasefire. Are they calling for a negotiated

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Speaker 19: ceasefire or an immediate unconditional one. Those are not the

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Speaker 19: same thing.

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Speaker 2: Fair criticism, phil.

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Speaker 23: Well, My focus is on what I would now I'd

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Speaker 23: never have used to them previously, but the genocide that's

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Speaker 23: happening against Palestinians in Gaza. You can't starve people to

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Speaker 23: death and then shoot the people that are desperately seeking

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Speaker 23: food aid as they go to pick up that aid.

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Speaker 23: You can't kill over seventeen thousand children and maim tens

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Speaker 23: of thousands of children and still claim to be a

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Speaker 23: state that works on the basis of decency and morality.

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Speaker 23: You can't talk as or it's not more, it's more

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Speaker 23: than talk. You can't plan to move six hundred thousand

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Speaker 23: Palestinians and then the entire two point one million population

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Speaker 23: of Palestinians in Gaza into what former Israeli Prime Minister

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Speaker 23: Ehud Olmot has called a concentration camp, in which the

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Speaker 23: Israeli Defense Minister calls a humanitarian city. I know which

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Speaker 23: person I believe in terms of what that city will be,

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Speaker 23: it will be a concentration camp, a transit camp.

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Speaker 2: All right, just hold that thought, guys. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: come back to this sixteen away from six.

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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the ones

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Speaker 1: fun massed results.

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Speaker 2: Right, We're back with Phil Goff and Thomas Skrim. Thomas, Okay, so,

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Speaker 2: how I know you don't want to make predictions, but

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Speaker 2: can you see this ending without the hostages? Being released first.

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Speaker 19: Honestly, I don't see any way in which Israel is

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Speaker 19: giving up without those hostages either retrieved, alive or deceased.

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Speaker 19: Israel seem pretty well set on that approach and aren't

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Speaker 19: ameniable to international I guess statements or criticisms.

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Speaker 3: They have clearly got a plan in mind, and I

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Speaker 3: think part of a challenge.

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Speaker 19: Is that they have entered into an incredibly destructive war

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Speaker 19: without a clear exit plan. Yeah, because if they're aiming

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Speaker 19: for total retrieval of the hostages, that doesn't seem like

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Speaker 19: a goal that is achievable, and so for a war

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Speaker 19: to be just you have to have a clear metric

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Speaker 19: for success. And so basically I'm very pessimistic about what

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Speaker 19: the prospects are for peace.

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Speaker 2: Phil Do you see any way that this ends without

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Speaker 2: the hostages first being released.

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Speaker 23: Well, I think the hostages can be released if they

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Speaker 23: still alive after the further bombardments that are still going

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Speaker 23: on in the Gaza Strip, most of the hostages. No

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Speaker 23: way justifying Harmas and the other organizations taking hostages, but

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Speaker 23: most of the hostages will have been killed in the

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Speaker 23: Israeli stride.

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Speaker 2: Now I know, I know this, and look, let's accept

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Speaker 2: Hamas does not care about what happens with the Palestinian people,

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Speaker 2: and the Israeli government does not actually care about what

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Speaker 2: happens with the hostages. Right, they're using them as means

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Speaker 2: to further their own ends. But can this thing end?

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Speaker 2: Like I feel like we're putting a lot of pressure

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Speaker 2: on Israel quite rightly for the crimes that they are committing,

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Speaker 2: which they are, But actually should the pressure be put

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Speaker 2: on Hamas because actually until those hostages are released, this

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Speaker 2: does not stop.

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Speaker 23: Yeah, Look, releasing all the hostages is one of the

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Speaker 23: conditions of a ceasefire, and that can happen. My question

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Speaker 23: really is whether the Netanya who wants it to happen.

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Speaker 23: As soon as the war is over, there will be

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Speaker 23: a resumption of the criminal charges for corruption against Netan Yahoo,

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Speaker 23: and that will be the end of his career.

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Speaker 2: And it will be a fair field. Which brings us

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Speaker 2: to the next more miserable point, which is that we

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Speaker 2: can say all we like that this needs to stop.

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Speaker 2: It will not stop because neither of these these sides

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Speaker 2: actually want it to stop. Do they want this to continue?

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Speaker 23: There's an absence of leadership, and it's long been a

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Speaker 23: problem in the Middle East on the side of the

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Speaker 23: Israelis and the Palestinians. In terms of finding a decent settlement,

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Speaker 23: you have to go back to Rabin, I think, to

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Speaker 23: find a leader of Israel that actually genuinely wanted to

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Speaker 23: find a long term and sustainable solution that the tragedy

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Speaker 23: has to stop. The question is where the twenty seven countries.

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Speaker 23: And good on them for signing the letter. I totally

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Speaker 23: approve of the letter, but whether they can make a difference.

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Speaker 23: The Israelis have just come back and said, you don't

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Speaker 23: know the reality on the ground, actually the truth as

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Speaker 23: we do it. We watch it every night on TV

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Speaker 23: as another atrocity happens, more kids have killed and maimed,

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Speaker 23: more civilians die. Rubble has turned into even smaller pieces

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Speaker 23: of rubble. It's got to stop. But the United States

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Speaker 23: is the key to this. And Trump doesn't have an

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Speaker 23: interest in reigning in ans in Yahoo and that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Now, Thomas, listen that poll that was leaked today,

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Speaker 2: the Talbot Mills Pole. I think the thing that was

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Speaker 2: the most interesting out of it was where New Zealand

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Speaker 2: first support us it.

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Speaker 19: What do you think, Oh, I'm quite confident that Winston

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Speaker 19: can convince the supporters of just about anything. So Winston's

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Speaker 19: getting his numbers and is polling really well. You know,

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Speaker 19: as far as he's entered into a government and minor parts,

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Speaker 19: he's often struggle there.

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Speaker 3: So Winston will get his votes and then he can

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Speaker 3: make his call.

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Speaker 19: You know, if he's got Stuart Nash as his wingman

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Speaker 19: at the next election, he might decide he wants to

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Speaker 19: go back with.

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Speaker 3: The Red team.

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Speaker 19: But I think the coverage of the polling is really strange.

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Speaker 19: If we look at the politics has two blocks, a

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Speaker 19: left block and a right block. The right block was

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Speaker 19: doing its worst back in February. They have gained relative

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Speaker 19: to the left block for the past four or five

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Speaker 19: months and the gap is now the largest it's been

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Speaker 19: if you look at a polling average.

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Speaker 3: Suddenly this poll comes out and the media has picked

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Speaker 3: up on.

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Speaker 19: The story is if we have this new struggle even

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Speaker 19: though the gap is widening not shrinking.

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Speaker 2: Interesting point, what do you think.

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Speaker 23: Phil, Yeah, we'll look with the New Zealand first voters

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Speaker 23: the populist though you know, the New Zealand's first appeal

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Speaker 23: is the populist one to their voters, and the voters

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Speaker 23: the alienated voters that they appeal to don't like any government,

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Speaker 23: whoever's in government.

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Speaker 6: That's the truth of it.

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Speaker 23: Peters has got the ability to to pull some of

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Speaker 23: his people on side. A lot of it will hinge

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Speaker 23: on the cost of living, and you know at the moment,

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Speaker 23: well two things actually. One, I'm actually doing the shopping

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Speaker 23: now as a retired gentleman, and I can just see

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Speaker 23: what the rise in the cost of living has been. Secondly,

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Speaker 23: I actually know several people who have been made redundant.

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Speaker 23: Now that's pretty unusual. Generally, you know it's somebody else

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Speaker 23: that you don't know that gets made redundant. I've got

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Speaker 23: a son that's in business as a trade in the

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Speaker 23: construction trade. I know that these are the worst conditions

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Speaker 23: that he's faced in more than a decade. If those

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Speaker 23: things persist, then the government may be in trouble, but

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Speaker 23: it's premature to say that it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, it's good to talk to you. Have a

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Speaker 2: lovely evening. Phil GoF former Everything you Know and Thomas

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Speaker 2: Scrumer of the Maximum Institute. Eight away from six, It's

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Speaker 2: the Heather.

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Speaker 1: Duper c Allen Drive Full Show podcast on my Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio powered by News talk z be.

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Speaker 2: Totally agree here that nothing will change and guard until

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Speaker 2: the hostages are released. Hey, this could be I said

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Speaker 2: that there's the joint statement was definitely the political news

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Speaker 2: of the day. I think this could be the second

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Speaker 2: biggest political news story of the day.

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Speaker 14: I'm not taking any any lectures from freaking Chris Hipkins

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Speaker 14: or the Labor Party.

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Speaker 2: Freaking Chris Hopkins. Freaking Chris Hopkins. I mean, that's an

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Speaker 2: extreme level of frustration, there isn't it when you're so

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Speaker 2: angry at Chris Hippins that he's freaking Chrishipkins.

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Speaker 14: I'm not taking any any lectures from freaking Chris Hepkins or.

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Speaker 2: The Labor Party. I'm getting come on, I want to

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Speaker 2: know what you think. I'm getting strong haired girl vibes

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Speaker 2: on this one. Are you you know when you're like,

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Speaker 2: hold on, hot on, Okay, this is what the cool

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Speaker 2: kids are doing. I've got to do the thing the

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Speaker 2: cool kids are doing. They're saying swear words. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to do swear words with the cool kids. But then

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Speaker 2: I'm actually really scared of what the teacher is going

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Speaker 2: to say, so then I just go for frecking Are

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Speaker 2: you not getting that strong haired girl. Vibe there anyway,

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Speaker 2: go on, then tell me what you think. Nine two

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Speaker 2: nine two is the text number. Got some happy news

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Speaker 2: for you? Well, it really depends on how you see this.

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Speaker 2: I looked at it and I thought, I, actually, I'm

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Speaker 2: such a glass half full that I was a glass

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Speaker 2: half empty actually that I was like, Oh, that's happy news.

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Speaker 2: You decided for yourself. The Economist has released its list

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Speaker 2: of richest countries in the world, which it does every year,

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Speaker 2: and to my I thought we would do worse than this,

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Speaker 2: so I was kind of pleasantly surprised. So what they

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Speaker 2: do is they've got three measures, right, So first of all,

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Speaker 2: they just look at GDP per person at market exchange rates,

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Speaker 2: and then the second one they adjust for purchasing power parity.

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Speaker 2: You know how far your coin actually goes in your

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Speaker 2: own country, and then you know how much a can

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Speaker 2: of coke costs, for example, across all the countries. And

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Speaker 2: then the third one accounts for local prices and hours work.

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Speaker 2: So when you look at GDP per person, Switzerland comes

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Speaker 2: out on top. When you look at PPP purchasing power parity,

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Speaker 2: Singapore comes out on top. And when you look at

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Speaker 2: local prices and hour works and hours work. Norway comes

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Speaker 2: on top in each of the each of these, we

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Speaker 2: are not at the bottom of the pack. We're sitting

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Speaker 2: firmly in the top third, right, so we're right up

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Speaker 2: there at the front. However, that's the good way of

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Speaker 2: looking at it. The bad way of looking at it,

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Speaker 2: I guess, is just how much less we earn than

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Speaker 2: the leading contender in each of these categories. So in

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Speaker 2: the first category, Switzerland, they are earning one hundred and

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Speaker 2: four thousand dollars every year. We are earning an average

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Speaker 2: of forty nine thousand dollars every year, so we're at

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Speaker 2: less than half of the leader. Second way of looking

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Speaker 2: at it, second measure is Singapore earning one hundred and

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Speaker 2: fifty one thousand dollars every year. We're at about a

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Speaker 2: third fifty five thousand dollars every year. Norway in the

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Speaker 2: third measure one one five, one hundred and fifteen thousand

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Speaker 2: dollars every year. We're on fifty one. So as you

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Speaker 2: can see, we're a good third to a half of

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Speaker 2: what the leaders are on. But as I say it,

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Speaker 2: we are in the top third. We're right up there

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Speaker 2: in the top third of the country. We're beat in Japan.

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Speaker 2: I'm not just talking about like Senegal places like that.

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Speaker 2: We're beat in Japan, so I thought not too bad anyway.

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Speaker 2: Neil Quigley off Whykutzweld University.

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Speaker 23: Is with us?

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Speaker 10: Next News Talk set bas up?

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Speaker 6: What's down? What were the major cause and how will

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Speaker 6: it affect the economy?

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Speaker 1: The big business questions on the Business Hour with hither

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Speaker 1: duplicy Ellen and maas insurance and investments, Grow your wealth,

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Speaker 1: protect your future?

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Speaker 6: The US talks at be.

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Speaker 2: Even in coming up for the next hour, red meat

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Speaker 2: exports are going through the RUF. Jamie mackay on that.

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Speaker 2: Paul Bloxham of HSBC on our inflation print yesterday, and

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Speaker 2: the UK is looking at raising the old pinsion age

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Speaker 2: into Brady on that before the end of the program

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Speaker 2: seven past six. Now, if you caught the show yesterday,

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Speaker 2: you're going to know that I have some doubts about

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Speaker 2: how much the third medical school at Why Couple University

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Speaker 2: will actually end up costing US. Now it was originally

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Speaker 2: going to cost three hundred and eighty million dollars in total.

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Speaker 2: Now it's apparently only going to be two hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty five million dollars. Why Cautle Universities asked to come

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Speaker 2: on the show for a rite of reply, and we're

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Speaker 2: very happy to say we have the vice chancellor Neil

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Speaker 2: quickly with us Hi Neil, evening, Heather. Now, how did

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Speaker 2: you guys get the cost down from three eighty to

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Speaker 2: two thirty five?

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Speaker 4: The biggest part of it is that in the original cost,

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Speaker 4: we took the total amount of space that we would

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Speaker 4: need for everything at the university and all the clinical placements,

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Speaker 4: and we built in the new build cost for that space.

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Speaker 4: But as it's turned out, as we work through the

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Speaker 4: business case, both at the university and around the regional

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Speaker 4: and rural hospitals that we'll be working in, there's a

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Speaker 4: lot of space that needs some sprucing up renovation, but

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Speaker 4: that doesn't need to be built new. So the cost

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Speaker 4: of the capital part of the project came down very substantially.

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Speaker 4: Is because of that.

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Speaker 2: Cool you guys have to contribute between yourselves and philanthropists

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Speaker 2: about one hundred and fifty million dollars. How much of

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Speaker 2: that is the is the university putting in?

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Speaker 4: Well, we don't have an exact breakdown, but it's about

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Speaker 4: fifty to fifty that I expect we'll be doing at

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Speaker 4: this point. The university is in really good financial shape.

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Speaker 4: Our enrollments have risen very quickly this year and we're

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Speaker 4: on track for a twenty million dollar surplus for this

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Speaker 4: financial year. And we have no debt at the moment either,

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Speaker 4: So the university is well able to take on the

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Speaker 4: risk of So have.

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Speaker 2: You cleared all of your debt?

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Speaker 6: Have you?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 2: And you have a facility of about one hundred million still.

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Speaker 4: Yet well next year it'll be one hundred and twenty million. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Who are the philanthropists?

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Speaker 4: Well, I can't tell you right now because we got

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Speaker 4: only a few hours notice that the government was going

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Speaker 4: to announce on Monday, and the philanthropists need to work

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Speaker 4: through a process of formalizing their commitments with us now

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Speaker 4: that we have the green lights. So we'll be announcing

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Speaker 4: once we work through those and probably with each of

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Speaker 4: them major donors, having a special event with each of

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Speaker 4: them to outline what they're supporting.

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Speaker 2: So, if you're putting in seventy five and they're putting

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Speaker 2: in seventy five, have you secured the full seventy five

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Speaker 2: from philanthropists at least in verbal agreements?

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Speaker 4: No, roughly fifty five at the moment.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so still short of twenty Where do you reckon

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Speaker 2: that's going to come from?

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Speaker 4: Oh, we've only just started, Heather. And the reason is that,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's really quite difficult to raise money for

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Speaker 4: a project that's only a talk project. So once it

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Speaker 4: becomes a real project, once we've got the support of

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Speaker 4: the government formally, then it's much easier to approach people.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I'm already finding in the last few

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Speaker 4: days that I've had people contacted me saying, you know,

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Speaker 4: let's talk. So that's very encouraging.

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Speaker 2: Oh that's cool. So can you guarantee me, though, that

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Speaker 2: the taxpayer, which is due to put in about eighty

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Speaker 2: three million dollars, will not have to put a cent

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Speaker 2: more than we are told we'll have to put in.

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Speaker 4: That's the limit the government has given me, and that's

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Speaker 4: the limit that I work to. So yes, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think I've got a track record that says the

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Speaker 4: university can work to the budget limits.

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Speaker 8: That we have.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, We've done very well with all of our capital

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Speaker 4: projects in the ten years that I've been at Wycott,

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Speaker 4: and I think this one is not out of the

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Speaker 4: ordinary for the scale of our capital investment. Each year

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Speaker 4: at the university, so I'm confident we can brilliant.

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Speaker 2: I feel heartened by this conversation, Neil. I need to

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Speaker 2: ask you something. Did Adrian all swear in a meeting

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Speaker 2: with Treasury on twenty one February?

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Speaker 4: I wondered if you'd raised that. I don't have any

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Speaker 4: comment about that.

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Speaker 2: So you're aware of this? Are you this news that's broken?

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Speaker 4: I've just heard in the last hour that there's a

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Speaker 4: conversation going on, but I'm not a part of it.

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Speaker 8: No.

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Speaker 2: Did he swear in a meeting with Treasury on the

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Speaker 2: twenty first effect, I can't comment on that. Why can't

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Speaker 2: you comment on that?

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Speaker 4: Well, because that's a matter of privacy that I don't

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Speaker 4: that I don't think I should discuss.

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Speaker 2: Is that because there's a gag order preventing you from

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Speaker 2: discussing it? No, it's okay, there is no you just

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Speaker 2: said no. Are you telling me there's no gag order?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not telling you that. I'm telling you that

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Speaker 4: that my normal obligation to preserve the privacy of someone

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Speaker 4: that I work with or who works for me, means

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Speaker 4: that I can't comment on things like that.

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Speaker 2: Did No, that's okay. Did he swear in a meeting

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Speaker 2: with the Finance Minister three days later.

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Speaker 4: Well, I've heard that that's been said, but I can't

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Speaker 4: comment on that.

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Speaker 2: Weren't you at that meeting?

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Speaker 4: I was at that meeting?

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Speaker 2: Yes, So did he swear? Did you send him an

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Speaker 2: email three days after that? Neil? Did you send him

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Speaker 2: an email saying to him, Hey, here's a whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of specific and concrete allegations against you about your behavior.

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Speaker 4: Well, see, I can't go into that head listen to stag.

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Speaker 2: Order may prevent what he but can it Does it

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01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 2: prevent you discussing what you did, which includes sending him

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Speaker 2: this email.

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Speaker 4: It's all been covered by an Official Information Act request

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Speaker 4: and we've responded to that. So that's as far as

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Speaker 4: I can go. And everything that I can say, and

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Speaker 4: I'm willing to say, we've said in response to the

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Speaker 4: Official Information Act requests.

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Speaker 2: Now, Neil, I'm sure that it hasn't escaped your attention

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Speaker 2: that I have been quite critical of you for the

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Speaker 2: fact that you have misrepresented a bunch of a bunch

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Speaker 2: of facts here. Do you have anything to say about that?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Well, what do you have in mind? In particularly?

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Speaker 2: Well, you said that he left for personal reasons, and

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Speaker 2: it clearly wasn't personal reasons.

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Speaker 4: No, I said he that was a misquote by some journalists.

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Speaker 4: There's problem with journalists reading each other's work. I said

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Speaker 4: that adrian resignation was a personal decision, Yes, and it

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Speaker 4: was at the time we were working through some difficult issues.

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Speaker 4: But those issues weren't actually resolved for about a month

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Speaker 4: after Adrian's resignation. That's the funding agreement, and so I

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Speaker 4: wasn't in a position to go into anything relating to that.

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Speaker 2: So there was stuff that preceded the funding agreement. Is

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Speaker 2: that what you're telling me?

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Speaker 4: No, it was all part of the discussion of the

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Speaker 4: funding agreement.

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Speaker 2: Are you telling me? Are you telling me he quit

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01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 2: for the funding agreement? Is that why he quit?

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Speaker 24: No?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm just telling you that you know what we've

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Speaker 4: said in our response to the Official Information Act requests.

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Speaker 2: I'm confused now because if he quit the funding decision,

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Speaker 2: the funding agreement, then that's not a personal decision, is it.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing about a difference of view about where we

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01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 4: were headed with the funding that required his resignation. He

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Speaker 4: could easily have continued, and that's why it was a

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Speaker 4: personal decision to resign.

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Speaker 2: So are you telling me he didn't actually quit about

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01:14:57,920 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 2: the funding agreement, which we thought he'd quit over.

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Speaker 4: No, No, you're you're turning what i've said around the

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Speaker 4: wrong way either. What I've said is there was a

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01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 4: difference of view about the direction we were traveling on

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Speaker 4: the funding agreement, but there was nothing about that that

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Speaker 4: required Adrian to resign. He chose to make a personal

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Speaker 4: decision that he would resign at that point when we

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Speaker 4: were halfway through the negotiation.

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Speaker 2: But can you understand can you understand our confusion because

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Speaker 2: he quit because of the funding agreement? Right, But you're

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01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: saying it's a personal decision. It can't be both, it's

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Speaker 2: one or the other.

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Speaker 4: No, it is. No, No, it is because well, because

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01:15:45,200 --> 01:15:49,400
Speaker 4: there was nothing about the funding discussion that required him

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01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 4: to resign in your opinion. In my opinion, yes, but.

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Speaker 2: He might have thought that there was something about it

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01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 2: that required him to Are you using personal decision because

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01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 2: every time someone quits it's ultimately a personal decision.

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Speaker 4: No, but I think it clearly was in this case.

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01:16:05,160 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 4: That's my view.

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Speaker 2: Nothing is clear about this at all. Okay, Neil, thank you,

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Speaker 2: I appreciate your time. That's Neil quickly the University of

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01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 2: why Cuttle's vice chancellor. I'm as confused as you. I

1556
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 2: will listen. I will explain to you why all of

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01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 2: a sudden he was facing those questions. Let me come

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01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 2: back to that. Shortly sixteen past.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so what's happened is that today a Michael Riddell

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Speaker 2: has written a blog. Now, if you know Michael Riddell,

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01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 2: he was a former rben Z staffer. He writes a

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Speaker 2: pretty well read blog called Croak and Cassandra. A lot

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01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,679
Speaker 2: of people around Wellington and economics read this. He wrote

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Speaker 2: today that he had had somebody who is an arbien Zi's,

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Speaker 2: a Reserve Bank staffer, had gone touch anonymously and given

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Speaker 2: him a bunch of information. And what the person had

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Speaker 2: said is that the reason that Adrian or eventually quit

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01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 2: was because he had and there's a bunch of events

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Speaker 2: happened in the lead up to it. He'd had a

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Speaker 2: meeting with Treasury on the twenty first of February, and

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01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,000
Speaker 2: he'd completely lost his call, behaving in a way that

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01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 2: was completely inappropriate and swearing, and that he had then

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01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 2: done exactly the same thing or roughly the same thing

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01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 2: in a meeting with the Finance Minister Nikola Willis on

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Speaker 2: the twenty fourth of February, and then on the twenty

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Speaker 2: seventh of February, three days later, Neil Quigley, as the

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Speaker 2: board chair, sent an email to Adrian Or which had

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Speaker 2: attached quote statement of concerns outlining outlining quite a specific

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01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 2: range of concrete and specific issues with the governor's behavior

1584
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:48,719
Speaker 2: covering several years, and not about funding. Quickly is reported

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01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: to have asked Or to respond, this was my correspondent says,

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01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,560
Speaker 2: what triggered U's resignation. Now, the reason, apparently, according to

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Speaker 2: this that Neil Quigley can't answer questions about it is

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01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 2: because there was an exit agreement which included gag provisions

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Speaker 2: of some sort. Now, please do not get the impression

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01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 2: that this is that Neil Quickley is the bad guy

1591
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 2: in this situation. Very much Adrian Or is the bad

1592
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,080
Speaker 2: guy in the situation. However, Neil Quickly's handling of it

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01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 2: has definitely left a lot to be desired. Because it

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01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 2: is one thing to go out there and say, look,

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01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 2: I can't talk about it. I cannot talk about it,

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01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 2: I cannot talk about it. It is quite another thing

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01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:26,560
Speaker 2: to misrepresent the situation by then going it was a

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01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:29,600
Speaker 2: personal decision in the way that every decision that you

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01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: make to resign is a personal decision. And we all

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01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,240
Speaker 2: know it's not actually a personal decision. If it is,

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Speaker 2: as this correspondent says about his behavior, it's actually a

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Speaker 2: behavioral decision. Six twenty one Now, Jamie McKay, Host of

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Speaker 2: the Countries with Me, Jamie, Hello.

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Speaker 3: Good, I Heather cousin, Heather Good to have you back.

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Speaker 21: Say that Michael Radell, by the way, has written, I

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01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,679
Speaker 21: would say, a wickedly one sided piece on the Listener

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Speaker 21: on our best and worst finance ministers since the Second

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Speaker 21: World War. And I think he's been very tough on

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Speaker 21: Bill English, who's lumbered down the bottom with Grant Robertson

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Speaker 21: and Robert Muldoon. And I don't know what his political

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Speaker 21: leanings are, but all the best finance ministers, according to him, come.

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Speaker 3: From the Labour Party.

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Speaker 2: Oh who was the best? Did he say?

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Speaker 21: Roger Douglas.

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Speaker 2: Well, can you can you actually argue against that?

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Speaker 9: Jamie, Well, he was, he was a change agent.

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Speaker 3: I'll give them that.

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01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 21: And farmers have a lot to think Roger Douglas for

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01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 21: believe it or not. But unfortunately they stopped for a

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01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:25,639
Speaker 21: cup of tea.

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Speaker 3: And Roger not his fault.

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01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:30,880
Speaker 2: That was David's fault because David good, David got Rightener

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Speaker 2: was the second best finance minister. Michael Cullen, No, he

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01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 2: was third best.

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Speaker 21: Walter Nash Walter Nash of course, great grandfather of future

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Speaker 21: New Zealand first candidate Stuart Nash.

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Speaker 6: Well there you go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, listen, talk to me about the red meat experts.

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Speaker 2: What's going on here? Is it the US still loving

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Speaker 2: our burgers?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Hey, can I just get a shameless plug?

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Speaker 9: And I know you're going to.

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Speaker 21: Cut me off, but Nichola Willis is currently meeting with

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Speaker 21: Miles Hurrell and I've just watched the six pm news

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01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 21: she got or not she Miles Hurrell got breathlessly door

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01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 21: stopped by Mikey Sherman from One News accusing him of

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Speaker 21: or Fonterra, of hiking up the price of butter etc.

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01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 21: Just want to add some balance to this story Open

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Speaker 21: Country Dairy, our second biggest dairy company. The chief executive,

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Speaker 21: Mark Delatour, was on my shows last week.

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Speaker 24: Here.

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Speaker 21: They're building a new butter factory. It's about to open

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Speaker 21: an August in the Wyekattow. Guess what they're doing with

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01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:30,400
Speaker 21: one hundred percent of their butter? What exporting it? Because

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01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,840
Speaker 21: they can make more money overseas than they can here domestically.

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Speaker 21: So we've got to stop barking at cars on this

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Speaker 21: one and just realize that the high butter prices are

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Speaker 21: due to international commodity prices, not Fonterra ripping anybody off.

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Speaker 21: It's not Fonterra's job to subsidize the market.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff, Hey, Jamie, thanks very much, Jammy Mccaie hosts

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01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 2: The Country by the Way one News. Not only did

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01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 2: they door stop Myles Hurrell as he was walking into

1654
01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:58,000
Speaker 2: the meeting for the walking to the be High for

1655
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 2: the meeting with Nikola Willis, but they all so then

1656
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:03,200
Speaker 2: went live to Mikey Sherman with one of those banners

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01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:07,960
Speaker 2: underneath her and it said Fonterra meeting underway. Now, Now,

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01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:12,519
Speaker 2: I don't I feel like the Finance Minister will be

1659
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 2: wildly regretting having ever told us that she's calling them

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01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 2: in for a Please explain on the price of butter,

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01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:20,640
Speaker 2: because we this thing is being hyped beyond what it

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Speaker 2: possibly can ever result in. And I'll tell you what

1663
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 2: press gallery tomorrow are going to be standing there going

1664
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 2: and what are you doing about the price butter? What's changing?

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01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,160
Speaker 2: What's changing? What's changing? They're hyping everyone up and you

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01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 2: and I know ain't nothing going to change because the

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01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:32,640
Speaker 2: only way to change it is basically for us to

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Speaker 2: have the expert price for do we want that?

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Speaker 24: No?

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01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 2: Six twenty four.

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Speaker 6: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Henna dup c Ellen and Mares

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Speaker 1: Insurance and investments will grow your wealth, protect your future.

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Speaker 6: News talks that'd be hither.

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Speaker 2: You should buy your butter at Costco. It's one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent New Zealand button and it's only sixty percent of

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Speaker 2: the price your fairpoint right now, it's coming up twenty

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Speaker 2: seven past six now in some showbiz news.

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Speaker 1: Just so.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember when Tenaciousty split up after the guitarists

1681
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 2: made that joke on stage about Donald Trump right after

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Speaker 2: his assassination attempt. Turns out that. Apparently George Clooney was

1683
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:13,720
Speaker 2: to blame for that. He allegedly pressured the American actor

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01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 2: Jack Black, who's one half of Tenacious Ty, to drop

1685
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 2: his long term friend Kyle Glass from the duo. Now

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01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,519
Speaker 2: this has come out because of that three hour long

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01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:24,160
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden interview where the interviewer revealed he used to

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Speaker 2: live next to Jack Black at the time it happened.

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Speaker 2: And here's what he said about it.

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Speaker 25: George Clooney is blowing his phone up, being like, if

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Speaker 25: you don't kick your band member out of the band

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01:22:35,800 --> 01:22:38,439
Speaker 25: and like publicly denounced this guy, Like I don't know

1693
01:22:38,760 --> 01:22:40,920
Speaker 25: what the consequences were, but it was kind of like

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Speaker 25: you're out, out of what we don't know.

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01:22:42,760 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 2: And this is what Hunter Biden said about George Clooney.

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Speaker 14: Him and everybody around him. I don't to be fun

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Speaker 14: age number one. I agree with Quentin Tarantino. George Clooney

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Speaker 14: is not an actor. He is a like I don't

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Speaker 14: know what he is. He's a brand.

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Speaker 8: Hm hmm.

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01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden m making his parents proud once again. It's

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01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:07,800
Speaker 2: three hours and twenty minutes. If you want to go

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01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 2: watch it, I don't recommend. Paul Bloxham HSBC on inflation soon.

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Speaker 1: Oh, no, croaching the numbers and getting the results. It's

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Speaker 1: Heather d for c Ellen with the Business Hour and

1706
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: mass insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, Protect your future,

1707
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Speaker 1: youth talks.

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Speaker 13: D Me.

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Speaker 2: Tell you what's going on in the UK. They are

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01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:43,600
Speaker 2: having a look at This is the government having a

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01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 2: look at raising the pension age. It's been announced they're

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01:23:45,840 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: going to launch a review into it. The current pension

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01:23:47,960 --> 01:23:51,120
Speaker 2: age is sixty six. It's kind of exactly the point

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01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:52,800
Speaker 2: that I've been trying to make about the pension age

1715
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:54,759
Speaker 2: of this country, which is you don't touch the pension

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01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,680
Speaker 2: age until you deal with welfare and everything else that

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01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:00,920
Speaker 2: we're spending money on unnecessarily. Right, I've just done exactly

1718
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,719
Speaker 2: the same the mistake that I would like us to avoid,

1719
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,680
Speaker 2: which is they have a tinker with the welfare. But

1720
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 2: the welfare situation in the UK is just mind blowing.

1721
01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:12,160
Speaker 2: You can sit on the doll and earn more than

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01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:13,840
Speaker 2: you can if you do the minimum wage. So they're

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01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:15,240
Speaker 2: doing that, but then at the same time, like and

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Speaker 2: we still need to save money, let's go after the

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01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,720
Speaker 2: pension is not a good idea. Inter Brady will be

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Speaker 2: with us about ten minutes time, it's twenty four away

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Speaker 2: from seven and Paul Bloxham, HSBC's chief economist, is with us. Hello, Paul,

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Speaker 2: good eight, what do you make of our inflation print yesterday?

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Speaker 26: Well, I think that it was a little bit lower

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01:24:32,560 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 26: than the market had expected, which is a positive. So

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01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 26: you know, it's a little bit below where the market

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01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 26: was fearful and a touch above where the RBNZ was forecasting.

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Speaker 3: I think it still leaves.

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Speaker 26: The door open for the rbn Z to deliver a

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01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 26: little bit more easy and cut their policy rate.

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Speaker 24: And that's our central case.

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Speaker 26: We think at their next meeting they're likely to be

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01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:54,040
Speaker 26: able to convince themselves that inflation still contained enough to

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01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 26: allow them to lower interest rates a bit further. But

1740
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Speaker 26: I mean, we've got to keep in mind also it

1741
01:24:58,160 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 26: has picked up a little bit. It's, you know, sitting

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01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 26: at T two point seven, it's up a little bit

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01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 26: from the low point it had reached and so on.

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01:25:03,560 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 26: So we think they'll cut again, but we don't think

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01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 26: there's going to be a lot more cuts to come.

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01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:09,680
Speaker 26: I mean, we think the ARBENZ is getting nearer to

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01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 26: the end of its easing phase.

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Speaker 2: See John Key, former Prime minister over the weekend called

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01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 2: for one hundred basis points and cuts. What do you

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01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 2: think of that?

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Speaker 26: Well, I think the inflation being still above the midpoint

1752
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 26: of the target band and actually picking up a little

1753
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:26,880
Speaker 26: bit recently means that we need to be careful about

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01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 26: how much more easing is delivered.

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Speaker 24: I think, you know, I think you'd.

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Speaker 26: Want to say, well, the Arbenza targets one through three percent,

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01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 26: they target try to get a two percent and two

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01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:38,920
Speaker 26: percent inflation consistently, and they're sitting at two point seven,

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Speaker 26: so it's not convincing. I don't think that they should

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01:25:41,400 --> 01:25:44,800
Speaker 26: be delivering a lot more easy rapidly. I think the

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01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:47,760
Speaker 26: growth story is a little bit more nuanced at the moment.

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Speaker 26: Some of the timely indicators have weakened a bit, but

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01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 26: we're I mean, we're still of the view actually that

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01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 26: New Zealand's got positives and factors that are going to

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Speaker 26: lift growth.

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Speaker 24: One of them is the fact that they've already cut

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Speaker 24: interest rates by two hundred.

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Speaker 26: And twenty five bases points, and the other one is

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Speaker 26: the dairy prices are high and that's boosting agricultural incomes

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Speaker 26: and so on, So we think that's going to feed

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Speaker 26: through to it still a continued lifting growth in New Zealand,

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Speaker 26: and so I'm not sure the case is strong for

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Speaker 26: a substantial delivery of lots of cuts from here.

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Speaker 2: You don't buy the argument that the inflation that we're

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Speaker 2: seeing at the moment is very much temporary and will

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Speaker 2: fall back later on there by justifying the cuts.

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Speaker 24: No.

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Speaker 26: I think if you look at the components of what's

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Speaker 26: going on with inflation, you've still got non tradables inflation

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Speaker 26: that's holding up reasonably well.

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Speaker 24: So the domestic part of inflation that's holding up reasonably well.

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Speaker 26: And although you know that the pickup you saw in

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Speaker 26: the actual print for the quarter was mostly about food prices,

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Speaker 26: so that might prove to be temporary, I think you'd

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Speaker 26: still be a bit cautious about whether you'd be convinced

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Speaker 26: that inflation was going to continue.

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Speaker 24: To fall towards towards two percent.

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Speaker 26: I think the other thing is this is not the

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Speaker 26: only survey that you can look at. You can look

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Speaker 26: at the measures of inflation expectations, the surveys where they

1791
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Speaker 26: ask people what they think inflation is going to be

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Speaker 26: in the future, and those have all started to pick

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Speaker 26: up a little bit as well. So I think there's

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Speaker 26: enough indications to suggest that inflation's not back at the

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Speaker 26: target quite yet. It's still in the upper part of

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Speaker 26: the target band, and it would, I think, mean that

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Speaker 26: you have to be cautious about how much more monetary is.

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Speaker 24: And you deliver, or at least how quickly you deliver it.

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Speaker 26: So I think they're going to get over the line

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Speaker 26: for another cut, but I think taking it a bit

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Speaker 26: more carefully and a bit more slowly at this point

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Speaker 26: is important because inflation is not is in the upper

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Speaker 26: part of the target band.

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Speaker 2: Fairpoint. Now to the RBA. We were a little bit

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Speaker 2: surprised when it held the rates a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: but now we've got the meeting minutes and it's shit

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Speaker 2: a little bit more light.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: This comes down to the employment rate, doesn't it.

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Speaker 6: That's right?

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Speaker 26: So I mean, I think the RBA on the day

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Speaker 26: even they was a surprise for the market. But they said,

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Speaker 26: and the Governor had said at the time that it's

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Speaker 26: about timing rather than direction. I she was saying the

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Speaker 26: board wasn't quite convinced that they should deliver a rate

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Speaker 26: cut at that point in July, but they still expect

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Speaker 26: that they'll be lowering interest rates further. And I think

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Speaker 26: the minutes again just give a bit more clarity around

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Speaker 26: that was the discussions had. It's not that they don't

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Speaker 26: think that they need to do a bit more easy,

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Speaker 26: it's just that they want to take a cautious approach

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Speaker 26: to delivering that that easing. And I think the other

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Speaker 26: thing to keep in mind is since then, we've had

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Speaker 26: labor market numbers that were softer, that were weaker, the

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Speaker 26: unemployment rate actually rose.

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Speaker 24: So I think we're likely to see as well that the.

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Speaker 26: RBA probably will probably deliver another rate cut come August

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Speaker 26: as a part of their cautious approach to delivering easing

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Speaker 26: for the economy.

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Speaker 2: Paul, I have a text question for you, says herether,

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Speaker 2: could you please ask Paul Bloxham with the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: we'll ever get the rock star economy back.

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Speaker 24: That's a great question. And look, I would hope like

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Speaker 24: I hope, so, I mean, of course it is.

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Speaker 26: I mean it would be great if New Zealand could

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Speaker 26: return to that former glory that we described. I described

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Speaker 26: it back in twenty Fourteen's is over ten years ago

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Speaker 26: now that you could get there.

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Speaker 24: And I think the main things, you know, you need

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Speaker 24: to look for. Yes, the dairy story was really.

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Speaker 26: Strong back then and that was that's one that's turned

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Speaker 26: more positive more recently. That the migration story was strong

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Speaker 26: as well, and that's something.

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Speaker 24: You need to look at as well.

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Speaker 26: But more importantly, I guess you need to look at

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Speaker 26: the reform agenda and making sure that you can attract

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Speaker 26: more foreign investment.

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Speaker 24: And I think that's what policy makers asked.

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Speaker 26: I think to look more, you know, taking a stronger

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Speaker 26: approach towards and if that starts to deliver, it could

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Speaker 26: really lift New Zealand's growth prospects.

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Speaker 24: We're very optimistic.

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Speaker 26: I think I've said this to you before that you know,

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01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:20,160
Speaker 26: we are at the top of consensus in terms of

1855
01:29:20,240 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 26: thinking about New Zealand's growth for this year, and.

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Speaker 24: We think growth is likely to be in an upswing.

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Speaker 24: Will it be a rock star? Well, we'll just have

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01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:28,280
Speaker 24: to see.

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Speaker 2: He is hoping. Paul. Thanks very much as always, Paul

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Speaker 2: Bloxham AGSPC Chief Economist, nineteen away from seven.

1861
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Speaker 6: Ever do for c Ellen.

1862
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Speaker 2: Stephen Colbert has taken the canceling of his late show

1863
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Speaker 2: very hard. He's even He's taken Donald Trump gloating about

1864
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 2: it even harder. If you could imagine he's clearly thinking

1865
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:52,639
Speaker 2: he's got nothing to lose anymore, because on today's show

1866
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Speaker 2: he just just went for him.

1867
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Speaker 14: I can finally speak unvarnished truth to power and say

1868
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Speaker 14: what I really think about Donald Trump, starting right now,

1869
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Speaker 14: got yourself.

1870
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Speaker 2: So if he wanted to dispel the conspiracy theory that

1871
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,240
Speaker 2: Donald Trump was actually the reason that his show got

1872
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 2: canceled as retribution not really helping it, is he because

1873
01:30:16,360 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 2: now you wonder, oh, maybe he's so cross because in

1874
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 2: fact Donald Trump was involved. Whether or not Donald Trump

1875
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Speaker 2: was involved largely becomes irrelevant now really to the vibes

1876
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 2: overtake the facts, if you know what I'm saying. Now,

1877
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Speaker 2: Fletcher Building, we've barely even talked about this, and that's

1878
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:32,280
Speaker 2: a bit of a crime. Actually, Fletcherbuilding Shares have taken

1879
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:33,680
Speaker 2: a bit of a slide today on the news that

1880
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 2: it might sell its construction division. Now you will have

1881
01:30:35,840 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 2: caught this news. They're not saying who the potential buyers

1882
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:41,400
Speaker 2: might be, but they have, they say, had a fair

1883
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Speaker 2: amount of inbound what they call inbound interest in the

1884
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Speaker 2: construction division. So they've decided to appoint financial advisors to

1885
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Speaker 2: have a look at how you would divest the various

1886
01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:54,000
Speaker 2: businesses they've got there if you were to. The shares

1887
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 2: started the day at three dollars and nine cents. They

1888
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,000
Speaker 2: had a bit of a surge and then they fell

1889
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Speaker 2: back mid afternoon to about three dollars and five cents,

1890
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Speaker 2: So people initially thought, oh yes, and then maybe not

1891
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:05,679
Speaker 2: so much. Seventeen away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's macro microbe or just plain economics, it's all

1893
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Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen and who

1894
01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:17,160
Speaker 1: there's insurance and investments, Grow your wealth, protect your future,

1895
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Speaker 1: youse talk sent me.

1896
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Speaker 2: Ah the White House speaking of Donald Trump. Just before

1897
01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 2: the White House has banned the Wall Street Journal from

1898
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:26,200
Speaker 2: the press pool when Trump goes to Scotland. Not allowed

1899
01:31:26,240 --> 01:31:28,839
Speaker 2: to come. And that's because the Wall Street Journal published

1900
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Speaker 2: the article that said that Donald Trump had sent Jeffrey

1901
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:34,720
Speaker 2: Epstein that Lewde birthday note twenty years ago, and he's

1902
01:31:34,760 --> 01:31:36,640
Speaker 2: not letting that one go. Fourteen away from seven and

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Speaker 2: end of Brady UK correspondens with us, Hello, Enda.

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Speaker 9: Hey, Heather, how are you am well?

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Speaker 21: Thank you?

1906
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:43,560
Speaker 2: So what do you make of the UK reviewing the

1907
01:31:43,640 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 2: pension age?

1908
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 9: Well, they do this every six years and I think

1909
01:31:47,840 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 9: a lot of people will be watching this and just

1910
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:53,200
Speaker 9: thinking can they push it back any further. So we

1911
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:55,600
Speaker 9: now at the moment in the UK you get the

1912
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Speaker 9: state pension at the age of sixty six that you've

1913
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:01,720
Speaker 9: paid into all your working life. In twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 9: it's already set in stone. It's moving to sixty seven

1915
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,679
Speaker 9: for a man, so you have to be sixty seven

1916
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,719
Speaker 9: in twenty twenty eight, and they already have a plan

1917
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Speaker 9: to push it back to sixty eight by the year

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Speaker 9: twenty forty six. Now all eyes have been focused on

1919
01:32:18,240 --> 01:32:21,240
Speaker 9: this recently because Denmark have just pushed a pension age

1920
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Speaker 9: back to seventy. Believe it or not, Denmark are really

1921
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 9: kind of leading the way in Europe. Basically, government's wanting

1922
01:32:27,680 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 9: you to work forever. And I mean when you look

1923
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Speaker 9: at what the French do and what the Greeks do,

1924
01:32:34,439 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 9: you'd be very kind of angry if you were a

1925
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Speaker 9: working man or woman in Denmark having to go all

1926
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Speaker 9: the way to seventy. So what the UK is doing,

1927
01:32:41,320 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 9: they're just kind of trying to focus people's minds. One

1928
01:32:44,120 --> 01:32:47,280
Speaker 9: statistic just to give you on this, three million self

1929
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Speaker 9: employed people in the UK are not saving into a pension.

1930
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Speaker 9: I don't know what they think they're going to live

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Speaker 9: on when they eventually retire.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is this going to be like, are you people

1933
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Speaker 2: going to get upset about it? Or actually have you

1934
01:32:57,240 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 2: got so used to this thing being pushed out you're

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Speaker 2: sort of take it in your stride.

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Speaker 9: I think people in the UK take it in their stride.

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Speaker 9: It's the same people as far as I can see,

1938
01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:08,880
Speaker 9: paying for everything all the time, and they never seem

1939
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Speaker 9: to snap back. They never seem to have any radical change.

1940
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:14,720
Speaker 9: There aren't any protests on the street about it. Just

1941
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Speaker 9: kind of suck it up and keep going.

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Speaker 2: Now, what is going on with the disabled people suddenly

1943
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Speaker 2: finding that they can.

1944
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Speaker 9: Walk at Oasis gigs? This is truly a miracle, the

1945
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 9: miracle of Manchester. Lim and Noel Gallaher of Oasis fame.

1946
01:33:30,439 --> 01:33:33,720
Speaker 9: They are back together, two brothers of Irish descent who

1947
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:36,799
Speaker 9: famously don't like each other. I heard on the grapevine

1948
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Speaker 9: last week. They're staying in different hotels so that minimizes

1949
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Speaker 9: the chances of a fallout on this massive world tour.

1950
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Speaker 8: Would you believe it?

1951
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Speaker 9: Story in the papers here this morning, pictures of row

1952
01:33:47,720 --> 01:33:52,840
Speaker 9: after row of people in the disabled seating area at

1953
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Speaker 9: Heaton Park at the weekend in Manchester, and when Lim

1954
01:33:56,040 --> 01:33:58,880
Speaker 9: and Noel and the other Oasis band members came on stage,

1955
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:04,120
Speaker 9: all these people stood up and walked and danced and clapped.

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Speaker 9: So you've got able bodied people who've tried to gain

1957
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Speaker 9: the system to get an Oasis ticket, who have fraudulently

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Speaker 9: basically gone online and bought wheelchair tickets.

1959
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Speaker 2: They should be ashamed of themselves totally. Now have you

1960
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:19,479
Speaker 2: looked at whether you're going to be stung with these

1961
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 2: water bills? Into the tune of Hammach, yes we will.

1962
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,519
Speaker 2: So they've already gone up in the last five years

1963
01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 2: by thirty eight percent. And I live in an area

1964
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:32,040
Speaker 2: which is supplied with water by a company called Thames

1965
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:35,439
Speaker 2: Water and they are one of the worst defenders for pollution.

1966
01:34:36,080 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 2: And what we're being told now big review of water

1967
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 2: in the UK. They're getting rid of the regulator. They're

1968
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 2: going to have a new tougher regulator and our water

1969
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,559
Speaker 2: bills will be climbing year on year for the next

1970
01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:50,960
Speaker 2: decade to actually clean up the mess. And if I

1971
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:53,639
Speaker 2: was the Prime Minister, I would be taking bonuses back

1972
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:57,080
Speaker 2: off all these fat cat chief executives of water companies.

1973
01:34:57,439 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 2: They have paid themselves every year in bonus millions of

1974
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:04,080
Speaker 2: millions of dollars. And Heather, if you came to visit

1975
01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:07,120
Speaker 2: me in Oxfordshire and you suggested we go for a

1976
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 2: swim in the River Thames, I couldn't in good faith

1977
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:12,840
Speaker 2: allow you to set foot in the water in the

1978
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 2: River Thames because you would end up in hospital with cryptosporidium.

1979
01:35:16,840 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 2: That is how bad the water is in our area.

1980
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,960
Speaker 2: It is disgusting. Okay, well, thanks for the thanks for

1981
01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 2: the warning and I appreciate that. Into Brady UK corresponded.

1982
01:35:25,080 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 2: By the way, speaking of Oasis, I've also got involved

1983
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:30,320
Speaker 2: in the cold Play kiss cam couple thing.

1984
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 8: Do we have any love birds in the house. Don't worry,

1985
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 8: we're guying in that cold place. Stiley ham a ship

1986
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,760
Speaker 8: because it was who are ingling with?

1987
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:47,280
Speaker 27: Tingling with fingering with a half a business, but this

1988
01:35:47,400 --> 01:35:48,799
Speaker 27: one's been a love birds anyway.

1989
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 2: So if you want to have an affair out in public,

1990
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,720
Speaker 2: go to the way Oasis concert absolutely fine. Ten away

1991
01:35:58,720 --> 01:35:59,160
Speaker 2: from seven.

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01:36:00,320 --> 01:36:02,880
Speaker 1: It's the Heather too for see Alan Drive Full Show

1993
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:06,479
Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by Newstalk ZBI.

1994
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Speaker 2: Oh happy days. I suppose Madison Ashton is back. You

1995
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,679
Speaker 2: know who I'm talking about, Madison, She with the lips,

1996
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:17,960
Speaker 2: Polky's hooker. She wants to give evidence at the inquest

1997
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 2: into Pauline Hannah's death. She's let this be known, which

1998
01:36:20,600 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 2: is an interesting turn of events given that she didn't

1999
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:25,360
Speaker 2: turn up to the actual thing that really matted, which

2000
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 2: of course was the trial. But now she wants to

2001
01:36:27,360 --> 01:36:29,639
Speaker 2: come along to the coronial inquest, so I suppose we'll

2002
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:32,200
Speaker 2: take what we can get from her. Her name has

2003
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 2: been suppressed up to now. That has now been lifted,

2004
01:36:35,439 --> 01:36:37,640
Speaker 2: which is why it's being reported. However, the evidence that

2005
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 2: she is expected to give remains suppressed. Quite why I

2006
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:43,439
Speaker 2: don't know, but we're getting used to gag orders on

2007
01:36:43,479 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 2: the show, aren't we. Now here's an interesting thing. If

2008
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:48,280
Speaker 2: you are an optimist, or actually even if you're not

2009
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:52,680
Speaker 2: an optimist, I find this fascinating. Apparently optimist's brains all

2010
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 2: work exactly the same. Everybody. You'll have somebody in your

2011
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 2: life who is an optimist, right, I've got a couple

2012
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:00,120
Speaker 2: of optimists in my life, and they stand out for

2013
01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 2: being sunny of all, you know, all the time over

2014
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:06,120
Speaker 2: any subject. So what's happened as researchers have found that

2015
01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:09,640
Speaker 2: people with a naturally sunny disposition, when they're asked to

2016
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 2: think about the future and future events like getting married,

2017
01:37:12,479 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 2: or traveling the world, or getting a new job, or

2018
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,720
Speaker 2: having a baby, their brain has a little activity that's

2019
01:37:17,800 --> 01:37:20,000
Speaker 2: exactly the same for all of them for all of

2020
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 2: these events. They got eighty seven people, the researchers, and

2021
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 2: they chuck them into and then first of all, they

2022
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,120
Speaker 2: measured where they were optimists or nots, and they could

2023
01:37:27,160 --> 01:37:29,200
Speaker 2: tell which was which, put all of them through an

2024
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 2: MRI brain scan, and then ask them to imagine various

2025
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,519
Speaker 2: different possible future life events. And what they found is

2026
01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 2: that if you were naturally a pessimist or just a whatever,

2027
01:37:38,840 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 2: like a normal person, then your brain when you're asked

2028
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 2: to do this, it fires in like everybody's brains is

2029
01:37:44,479 --> 01:37:47,000
Speaker 2: firing in different ways completely. My brain fires like that,

2030
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:50,320
Speaker 2: Laura's brain fires like that, answers brain fires like that. Whatever,

2031
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:51,320
Speaker 2: They're all different.

2032
01:37:51,479 --> 01:37:53,280
Speaker 28: We are all pessimists. We're working in a media and.

2033
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 2: Not hard out. It's hard not to be when your

2034
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 2: businesses sell for a dollar. But the optimists who are

2035
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,840
Speaker 2: working in I don't know. Let's say the Reserve Bank

2036
01:38:01,080 --> 01:38:03,240
Speaker 2: because they're getting heaps of leave and stuff. Always optimistic.

2037
01:38:03,320 --> 01:38:05,920
Speaker 2: Those people, their brains work in exactly the same way

2038
01:38:05,960 --> 01:38:08,479
Speaker 2: every time, every time they're are and and the researchers

2039
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:11,880
Speaker 2: are slightly baffled by this, not entirely sure why. They

2040
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 2: think that it's because when you are slightly negative about

2041
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 2: a situation, there are a thousand different ways to be negative,

2042
01:38:17,560 --> 01:38:19,679
Speaker 2: aren't there but any number of things that you're worried about.

2043
01:38:19,960 --> 01:38:23,800
Speaker 2: But when you're optimistic, you're just just constantly happy. And

2044
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:26,519
Speaker 2: they think it's because it can look it's it's a

2045
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,599
Speaker 2: long winded explanation. They don't really know why. They think

2046
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:31,080
Speaker 2: it conforms to social norms or some stuff. Anyway, They

2047
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 2: like to quote this, which I think is a very

2048
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 2: good quote to explain this. This is anaka and Ina

2049
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:40,800
Speaker 2: of Leo Tolstoy. Happy families are all alike. Every unhappy family, though,

2050
01:38:40,920 --> 01:38:43,479
Speaker 2: is unhappy in its own way. There you go, did

2051
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 2: you like that?

2052
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:44,160
Speaker 6: Ass?

2053
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:46,559
Speaker 28: I just love the I would love to know how

2054
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 28: they did the test to work out if you'ren optimist

2055
01:38:48,640 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 28: or a pessivist, because I bet it's just they just

2056
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 28: ask you how your day's going. Maybe they oh, lovely.

2057
01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:55,640
Speaker 28: I mean it's not that cold. And then you know

2058
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:57,639
Speaker 28: someone like me, I'm like, oh, well, wouldn't your.

2059
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:00,880
Speaker 2: Tests be simple as simple as this? Hey, New Zealand,

2060
01:39:00,960 --> 01:39:03,360
Speaker 2: we're building you a white cuttle medical school and you, guys,

2061
01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 2: optim how much is it going to cost?

2062
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:06,880
Speaker 8: Yeah?

2063
01:39:06,960 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 2: Is it going to buy it cheaper?

2064
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:08,400
Speaker 6: Now?

2065
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:09,280
Speaker 28: I don't trust this?

2066
01:39:09,560 --> 01:39:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2067
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 2: And then then they ask you you stoked about it? Optimist?

2068
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:15,759
Speaker 2: Bill quickly Stephen Joyce to me and Brown.

2069
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:17,320
Speaker 28: Well, you were talking about optimist in the Reserve Bank

2070
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 28: as well. I think it's probably fair to say that

2071
01:39:18,600 --> 01:39:20,519
Speaker 28: Adrian All was very optimistic about a lot of things

2072
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:22,400
Speaker 28: over the towards the tail end of his teeny bit

2073
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:25,679
Speaker 28: Bad Habits By. It's Sharon to play us out tonight.

2074
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 28: It's Sharon is big news just out this hour. It's

2075
01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:31,519
Speaker 28: Sharon is bringing his Loop tour to Auckland, Wellington and

2076
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 28: christ Church. I think that's his first show there for

2077
01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:35,800
Speaker 28: like eleven years. January next year.

2078
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:39,040
Speaker 2: So hey, hey, you've missed the headline. Where's he playing in?

2079
01:39:39,160 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 2: I mean, Wellington gets a concert?

2080
01:39:40,680 --> 01:39:41,680
Speaker 4: This is unusual show.

2081
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:44,280
Speaker 28: True, Wellington gets one at sky Stadium, christ Church. Takaha

2082
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 28: won't be open and so they stop it.

2083
01:39:45,479 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 2: Are they playing at Skots? Is he playing at sky Stadium?

2084
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:49,240
Speaker 2: When was the last time they had a gig at

2085
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:49,880
Speaker 2: sky Stadium?

2086
01:39:50,280 --> 01:39:52,680
Speaker 28: I remember seeing a new story about about how long

2087
01:39:52,720 --> 01:39:53,680
Speaker 28: it's been since they had one.

2088
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:55,320
Speaker 3: Yep, it's a long time. Yeah.

2089
01:39:55,560 --> 01:39:57,960
Speaker 28: And christ Church, like I said, to the new stadium

2090
01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:59,439
Speaker 28: that's not open to April. So he's going to be

2091
01:39:59,479 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 28: performing at Apollo Project Stadium, the existing stadium to kind

2092
01:40:02,760 --> 01:40:04,719
Speaker 28: of give it a swan song, and then an Auckland

2093
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:07,320
Speaker 28: Go Media Stadium, Mount Smart on the sixteenth of January.

2094
01:40:07,360 --> 01:40:09,639
Speaker 28: If you want tickets to one of those shows, they're

2095
01:40:09,720 --> 01:40:12,720
Speaker 28: on sale at from one pm next Tuesday, July twenty ninth,

2096
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:13,559
Speaker 28: put it in mckelendar.

2097
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 2: Now see you next Tuesday, and then see you tomorrow

2098
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:19,000
Speaker 2: as well. Enjoy your evening swimming the sub.

2099
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,120
Speaker 10: Be the last bird.

2100
01:40:20,200 --> 01:40:24,200
Speaker 2: It probably won't. I cannot have to loot, oh you,

2101
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,080
Speaker 2: I'll do my bed harvestly to I.

2102
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 27: Saxta can control the things s can't scoop that happens

2103
01:40:38,040 --> 01:40:38,599
Speaker 27: after two.

2104
01:40:39,160 --> 01:40:39,679
Speaker 26: It's true.

2105
01:40:40,080 --> 01:40:42,400
Speaker 8: It's true. My bad you.

2106
01:40:48,960 --> 01:40:57,560
Speaker 2: Harvest you, My bad harvest you.

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Speaker 1: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to

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Speaker 1: News talks ed b from four pm weekdays, or follow

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