1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Hello you great New Zealanders. Matt Heath here. This is 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: my last week on this podcast sadly, but if you're 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 1: not sick of me and you want more of my 4 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: weekly content, you can follow my weekly Substack mailout article 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: at Matdheath dot substack dot com. This week I discussed 6 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,159 Speaker 1: fighting fomo after my friends betrayed me and went to 7 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Germany without me. You, Jerry, g Lane, Joseph and Meniah, 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: I love you, but you hurt me. Anyway. You seem busy, 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: I'll let you go to Matteath dot substack dot com. Bless, bless, bless. 10 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 2: Liv's good busy. 11 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: It's the first of October, in the Year of Our Lord, 12 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. Welcome all you bespokey dokies to the 13 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: third to last daily bespoke Podcasts with Matt and Jerry. 14 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: And we've got a special guest along too. Help us 15 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: through the die, Henwritt. What an intro. 16 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was phenomenal. I started thinking it was a 17 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: full fade out. 18 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: I started thinking about my Vaye haalfway through, I got 19 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: to that point I'm stoked to be here. 20 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 3: Third to last is a good one. It's a low 21 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: pressure one because you know, last one. You feel it 22 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 3: should be good and it can never be as good 23 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: as I wanted to be. So even the intro was 24 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 3: inaccurate as well as as well as this kind of 25 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: professionalism that led Zibe to shout attap me to move 26 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: up to the to the big leags talking all. 27 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: The time exactly. 28 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 3: See, you'd just be a decision baiting the hook and 29 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: throwing it out there like that and seeing what comes. 30 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I be like, it's I don't know what dat is? 31 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 3: Vape focused. Since I've been here, I noticed. 32 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I read this article on nicotine and how good 33 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 1: it is for you, and then and then I decided 34 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: to try and take as much nicotine as I can. 35 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: So I got on the I got on the nicotine 36 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,040 Speaker 1: gum and on the vape. I think I've gone too 37 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: far now because I'm completely addicted to my vape. 38 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 4: The good thing is when you come off the vape, 39 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 4: you read another article, which is that vaping those terrible 40 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 4: things for your lungs. You're I'm not going to be 41 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 4: here to watch it, which is gonna be great. I'm 42 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 4: not gonna I'm not It's not going to be me. 43 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 4: I'm going to be nowhere near watching you come down 44 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 4: with some horrific withdrawals to. 45 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 1: The point where this is how much I've been thinking 46 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: about vaping. Is that to the point I had to 47 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: chat with my new co host on ZB and I said, 48 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: what are your views on vaping in the studio and 49 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: he said, I'm into it. So you know, we're going 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: to be vaping all over my crossing studio. It'll be good. 51 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 3: See at the moment you're rocking quite a little slim 52 00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 3: line stylash one. Yeah, you're going to be going the 53 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 3: full battery back up with a big thick PVC pipe 54 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: with it coming in with like a briefcase open. 55 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: It was got all the chemicals putting it together, trundle 56 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: on a trailer, trying create an entire personality around vape. 57 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: There's a lot of people who create their personality around 58 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: a vape. 59 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Well. The thing's about vaping though, is in 60 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: like it's not cool because you do it on a 61 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: weird angle down like this. 62 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 3: The reason we have a vape in there, but like 63 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: you know, it looks like a smoky pan flute. 64 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, like it's a douche flute, but like a cigarette 65 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: out the side of your mouth. That's it looks cool 66 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: to them. You gome backhand of vape, can you really? 67 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: I was actually I was behind a dude at the 68 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 3: dairy yesterday. I was buying sigis and I've been off 69 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: the sigis for about fifteen years and I hadn't realized 70 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: how expensive they were. 71 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 1: It's insane. 72 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 3: It was like fifty bucks. And then he bought a 73 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,920 Speaker 3: pouch as well. It was one hundred two dollars for 74 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: a pouch of Paul Royal. 75 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: I found out that there's the black market cigarettes everywhere 76 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: and they're really easy to get. And fact, there's some 77 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: member of the government that was saying this, you know, 78 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: saying that the black market cigarettes everywhere, and then a 79 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 1: one news reporter going tell me where, tell me where, 80 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: and she goes, well, they're everywhere. They said, tell me where, 81 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, it does sound like bullshit. The 82 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,280 Speaker 1: black market cigarettes would be everywhere. And then I was 83 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: talking to my friend Smokey Joe, and Smoky Joe was like, 84 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: you can just get them anywhere. You can get like cartons. 85 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: He goes down in my store. He lives in Wistorkland. 86 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:35,360 Speaker 1: He just goes and they don't even night the sky 87 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: I'll have a cut, I'll have a garten of of 88 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: you holidays. 89 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 4: So they come in judy free, or they coming from 90 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 4: countries where you can buy cartons like I see over 91 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 4: in Dubai a carton of mob Or reds was sixty bucks. 92 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 4: That's pretty good, so six bucks six bucks a pack. Yeah, 93 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 4: So you buy them in countries third boor countries, and 94 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 4: then you bring them back somehow you smuggle them on. 95 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: Mainly whose lives pretty close to you. Their neighbor had 96 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 3: a whole tobacco farm in the backyard, and their dog 97 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 3: got out and went in there and ate. Some of 98 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 3: them got horrendously sick. They were making their own ciggies. 99 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: That's a lot different. 100 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 3: And Sandra, well, what's wrong with making your own signy? 101 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: I don't think that's illegal. I think when you sell 102 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: it to this they did. 103 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: Smokey Joe give you this interesting nicotine information. 104 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: If you don't get the name of Smoky Joe, if 105 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: you don't know about smoking, I want to. 106 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 4: Know how addicted, like how addicted to nicotine can you get? 107 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 4: Because I'm try to reckon with a vape, It's possible 108 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 4: to get to a level of nicotine addiction that you 109 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 4: could never get with a CIGGI. 110 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: Because you'd get physically sick from just the smoking. 111 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's the problem with vaping is you can 112 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: do it anywhere, anytime, but it's very easy. There's no lighting, 113 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 1: there's no there's no admin, it's just ready to go. 114 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 4: It's yeah, because it's interesting to watch you, because you 115 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 4: and Meshi on the vape apes, and it's been interesting 116 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 4: to watch the different approaches to vaping. You met have 117 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 4: gone an absolutely full noise, like you are not holding 118 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 4: back at all. 119 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: You were. 120 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 4: I mean the other day when we're out at a restaurant, 121 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 4: your lovely partner was essentially holding your vape for you, 122 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 4: and she would allow you one vape maybe per half hour, 123 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 4: and you were just you were. 124 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: You were like a you were like a three. 125 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,480 Speaker 4: Month old pouring at its mother's breast for another another 126 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 4: little sweet suck of that of that vape me while 127 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 4: mass over here more controlled. Interestingly, he takes the more 128 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 4: controlled bridge, but he's fighting with it the whole time. 129 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 4: But he's not too long though, but he's prepared to 130 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 4: he's prepared to fight his You're not at all, You're 131 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: letting the whole thing in the door. 132 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: Look, I'm ting an experiment after because there's there's actually 133 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: a lot of really strong evidence that nicotine is a 134 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: it's good for brain function. And actually the problem with nicotine, 135 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: the problem with smoking wasn't the nicotine. The problem with 136 00:06:57,040 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: smoking was the delivery method of the nicotine. So idea, 137 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: if you want to take nicotine, you don't vape it. 138 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: You get you get the gummies or you get the gum. 139 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 5: Well, that's right, because I mean, like this vape here 140 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 5: is two percent nicotine. So the liquid in this is 141 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 5: something else and that goes wa straight into the lungs, 142 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 5: doesn't it. 143 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: And I would go out on a limb here and 144 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: say that breathing oxygen it's probably whatever. Like there's no 145 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: evidence that the vaping is bad for you yet, but 146 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 1: they haven't had long enough to test it. But I'm 147 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm predicting that it will come back. That's sucking in 148 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: that ship is not as good for you as as 149 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: breathing an ear. 150 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you've got your article right. Nicodine is good 151 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 3: for you. There's articles out there that like isis is 152 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 3: really good and their way of running the world is 153 00:07:40,520 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 3: potentially the best Cuba arguably, Huberman Yeah, it's Huberman. Well 154 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 3: isis is good? 155 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I haven't seen that neuroscientist Andrew Huberman from The 156 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: Human podcast. Yes, we went out for lunch the other 157 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: day with Andrew Hueman. No, but funny you should say 158 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: that we might as well have Jerry. What's going on 159 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: in your household? 160 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 6: Mate? 161 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 5: Your lovely partner. Tulci is right in the back pocket 162 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 5: of Andrew Herberman. She's she loves a bit of the hoops. 163 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 5: He's jacked as well. She remember his top off when 164 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 5: hes around. 165 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 7: Yeah, she's she is all up on Huberman. 166 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: Did she buy into when they tried to cancel him? 167 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: The I think was the news he had a few 168 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: daily It. 169 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 5: Was running quite a high level roster. 170 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: It was funny because they tried to cancel him, but 171 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: all he was doing was having multiple girlfriends then breaking 172 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: up with them. So the level of canceling him was that, 173 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: I guess he's all about mental health and he's all 174 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: about you know, positivity and stuff. But then he was 175 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: absolutely laying a track through nicest level body. Yeah, yeah, 176 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: he was up there then. And I read when it 177 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,559 Speaker 1: came out, and I read through and goes, this sounds 178 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: like a guy that's single and hot and a neuroscientist 179 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,439 Speaker 1: and quite wealthy. He sprang around, spraying around, ye and 180 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: then and then I couldn't go to the there was 181 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: no the next bit, and it was such it was 182 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: such an odd thing. But then when you read the 183 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: comments under things ago, I knew he was a dirty basket. 184 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: What a piece of shit. It's like, are you You're 185 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: still allowed to spray it around if you're single, as 186 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: long as you're honest, I guess yeah. 187 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:17,520 Speaker 2: See. 188 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 3: The the other thing though, is I I brought into 189 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: this theory that he he said about how you're not 190 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: meant to drink caffeine within ninety minutes of waking. 191 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: I was trying to punish you with it. 192 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: So then I watched a video of scientists actually as 193 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: completely rubbish and where he got his information from is 194 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:39,559 Speaker 3: he conflated it. There was there's never been a study 195 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: on that, and it actually turned out if you had 196 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: caffeine closer to waking up, you were more alert in 197 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 3: the afternoon. So something you know, Yeah, well there's a 198 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 3: thing of interesting things out there, but it's not goss. 199 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: It always says the data says, the data says. But 200 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: the thing is with that is You've got to look 201 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: at the quality of a study because sometimes people say 202 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: a study, a study says this, and you look into 203 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: it and it's ten. There were ten people for one 204 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: two weeks. And they're always Harvard University students that are 205 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,000 Speaker 1: trying to get an extra you know, you know, fifty 206 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: bucks were turning out to the study. There's a lot. 207 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: You know, there's sunny I mean in the history of 208 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: the world obviously, but that's what sciences. It's right, It's 209 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: like people throw things out. They do study, someone does 210 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: another study, and it's always it's always flowing. It's changing 211 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: this movie, which is hard for people to understand because 212 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: they're like, well, scientists used to say this and then 213 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: they go, yeah, but they've done more studies and it's changing. 214 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 3: Well, trust me, in the cancer world, I sent a 215 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 3: lot of interesting studies. Yeah, yeah, but you do that 216 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 3: the people think. And also the thing is the study 217 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: between what happens in a peatrit dish compared to what 218 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 3: happens in the human body is entirely different. 219 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: Well that's the thing that someone was saying with mice, 220 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: because we've done it on mice and it was really 221 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: this really interesting thingy just it seems like an obvious 222 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: thing to say, but mice aunt humans that they're so 223 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: very different their way. How fast their. 224 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 3: Heart beats, how it's metal is the key difference. Metabolism 225 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 3: is something like forty to four hundred times faster than 226 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: as human. So that means any drug that goes and 227 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 3: just gets wiped out, whereas a human you put that 228 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 3: level of drug in and it would yeah. 229 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:17,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. And the other thing, as with the whole that 230 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: that situation is you can completely control a mouse's environment, 231 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 1: whereas they have all these studies on diet and stuff, 232 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 1: and the humans lie because you cannot control them. And 233 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: also you can't keep them in a study for any 234 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 1: period of time because you don't have the kind of 235 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: money to keep someone on a study for twenty years. 236 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 4: Well, the other problem is you don't know what they've 237 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 4: eaten before they've gone into the study. Yeah, so you 238 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 4: may have done something for five or ten years in 239 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 4: your life, and you may have eaten fast. 240 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 7: I read the studies are read. 241 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,079 Speaker 1: I read the study about this person that was doing 242 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: a back end study on other studies and actually investigating 243 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: people and what they were saying and what they were 244 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: actually doing, and they found out that people light the 245 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: light to the person of the study took the same 246 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: way that people lie to doctors, you know, like when 247 00:11:57,360 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: people get asked how much they drink that they've done 248 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: these studies find it people always say way less than 249 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: they drink to doctors, like it's in a private situation, 250 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: but they don't want to shame themselves in front of 251 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: this one person. And that's the same thing that often 252 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: happens in studies. People go and they go, in the study, 253 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: you were supposed to be not eating donuts every day, 254 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 1: and they go, I haven't eaten any donuts. You know, 255 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: they'll say that just to impress the person that is 256 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: running the study, but they've shelved a sleever. Yeah. 257 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 3: Also, you can't you can't. You can't measure stuff, right, 258 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: Like I've tried calorie tracking, yeah, yeah, two days and 259 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 3: it's a shambles, right. Yeah, Like if you actually had 260 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 3: on your vape, right, you actually had to say how 261 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 3: much for my vapor? Your chances are being accurate. 262 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: It's well, you can't remember anything from three days ago, 263 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: Like the humans can't remember anything, and they fill out 264 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: these these studies. It's it's pretty it's pretty dodge, but they're. 265 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 3: Like talking to a judge saying that the worst thing 266 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 3: in a court case often is an eyewitness. Yeah right, 267 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,079 Speaker 3: because they're like determined, and the dude was wearing a 268 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 3: blue hoodie. 269 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. 270 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 3: Then the camera footage comes out the guys in a 271 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: red hoodie, but the person honestly believes that the person 272 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: they saw was wearing a blue hoodie. Y. 273 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: What it's that? We do this thing on Game of 274 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: Two Halves. I believe it's called this TV show and 275 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: it's and they play this video clip of all these things. 276 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: Then afterwards they ask you questions. They go, what color 277 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: pants was that guy? And you go pink and you're 278 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: so sure you can see it in your head, and 279 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: then they go back and go, no, they weren't pink 280 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: at all. The pink thing was in the next video. 281 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's like that was. 282 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 4: Only forty five seconds ago as well, Yeah, justin and 283 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 4: why has that gone in pink? Why has that memory 284 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 4: embedded as pink? This is such an interesting idea because first, 285 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 4: the other thing I'm fascinated by. You know, when you're 286 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 4: talking to someone and they'll be saying something to you 287 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 4: and you're painting the picture in your mind yet your 288 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 4: eyes are still looking at the thing that you're looking at. 289 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 4: So somehow you have an ability as a human to 290 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 4: have two pictures going on in your head. You have 291 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 4: the internal picture which is occurring overlaid almost over the top, 292 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 4: and there's vague sense over the top of the actual image. 293 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: That your eyes are does that I have the information 294 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: that's coming into the bit that creates a picture from 295 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: the optic nerves, right, that is such a small part 296 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: of what is actually creating the image. Far more of 297 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: what is creating your eye sight is coming from your imagination. 298 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: They can they can run the number of neurons, so 299 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: basically you've got like say it was a taps into 300 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: a pool. There's there's one tap which is the actual vision, 301 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: and there's multiple taps which are just your imagination in 302 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: your mind and your thinking and your memory. So at 303 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: any given time you're creating most of it, which is 304 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: which is why we can do it because because you're 305 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: like you see some pants, you don't want to waste 306 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: the energy time. You know, you don't want their brains 307 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: take up a lot of energy, and you don't as 308 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: we're revolved to not waste energy. So you go, I 309 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: feel like they'll be pink pants and that's enough for you. Yeah. 310 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: It was like before we recording this, Jerry, you're talking 311 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: about beer hall in Germany, right, and then I was 312 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 3: seeing your face, but what I was actually seeing was 313 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 3: a huge beer hall, you holding a stein, you know, 314 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: g Laane with half a pair of later hosing on 315 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 3: going downe and yeah. But I was just maintaining that 316 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: while obviously seeing you here in the studio. 317 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's clever how it overlays the two. Yeah, 318 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 4: and then but that's that's how you can imagine something 319 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 4: that's totally how you can take something in and give 320 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 4: a vibe. But I think it's the same way how 321 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 4: you can have a dream about a song and it 322 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 4: could be the greatest song that you've ever heard in 323 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 4: your life, and you will wake up and you'll think, God, 324 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 4: I finally think, I just remember what that song was. 325 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 4: I don't think the song was any notes. Yeah, you know, 326 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 4: I just think your brain had told you that you 327 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 4: had the great song. 328 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 3: That movie of the guy got knocked out. He was 329 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: a massive Beatles fan. He got knocked out. Then when 330 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: he came to the Beatles had never existed, but he 331 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: knew every Beatles song. Oh yes, and then he became 332 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 3: a yeah, and then he became a huge hit because 333 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 3: he just remembered all those songs. 334 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. I I it's interesting because like when you listen 335 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: think about a song, does it play like I was 336 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: thinking about like a memory. So if you're going back 337 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: die and you think about a memory of your life, 338 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,480 Speaker 1: it kind of plays in real time like you're watching 339 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: a video. Like, so if you're telling the story or 340 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: remembering it, it's got to start in a finish. But 341 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: all that just is existing in your brain is one thing. 342 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: So if you have a memory of a song, does 343 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 1: it play? Does it play like you put like your 344 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: press play on on Spotify and you're listening to it, 345 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: or is it all exist at once and you're experience 346 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: it in one yeah second about it? Or if you're 347 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: singing yeah, and say you start, you get a song 348 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: stuck in your head and you start singing it over 349 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: and over again, you kind of sing it from apart 350 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: and it plays out. It's fucking weird. It is so weird. 351 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 4: And the other part about is people walking around at 352 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 4: any given time. I mean, I've got about five thousand 353 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 4: songs that are stored away. 354 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: In my brain. 355 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 4: I know the lyrics to them. I know the notes. 356 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 4: I mean, I can't tell you what the notes are, 357 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 4: but I know what they are. 358 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: Ye hear it. 359 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 4: I find it so weird that as a musician, I mean, 360 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 4: you've done this mat You've written songs. The stuff that 361 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 4: you've written, the stuff that you've created, is now in 362 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 4: my head. It's gone from your head to my head. 363 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 4: I'm wandering around with it. At any given time when 364 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,919 Speaker 4: I hear it, I immediately know it. I know all of 365 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 4: the bits that song I wrote. I Am the Masked Man, I. 366 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: See you in the dark days, I see you in 367 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: the park. 368 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 4: It had that the power of music is that, the 369 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 4: power kind of a celebrity that we have as humans, 370 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 4: is that we respect the ability to transplant something like 371 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 4: that into a huge amount of humans. 372 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 7: I mean, we've talked about Neil fit about this. He 373 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 7: knows that pretty much every New Zealander, nearly. 374 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 4: You know of a certain age anyway, every New Zealand, 375 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 4: probably over the age of twenty, knows one of his songs. 376 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 7: So at any time he could be walking along. 377 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:09,199 Speaker 4: And they have a bit of him, a bit of 378 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 4: consciousness that he's created inside of them, and the fact 379 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 4: that that makes you, that gives you a greater currency, 380 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 4: that gives. 381 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: You also the grain. The brain is a great leveler 382 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:27,160 Speaker 3: because you've got in your brain Deja Voodu right next 383 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 3: to Tchaikovsky. 384 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right, that's. 385 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: Just sitting there in your brain, and he's a. 386 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: Bo anyone that's done meditational. No that you don't have 387 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: a choice whether today, tomorrow, Timuru by Deja Voodo or 388 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: Choiskovsky will pop up. No, like any point you're walking 389 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: around that where does that come? 390 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 3: It just comes. 391 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna unleash this song, unleash this piece 392 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: of music. Or it might be like an ad that 393 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: you heard in the nineteen eighties. 394 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 4: It's a loose filing system. Yeah, it's a loose filing 395 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 4: cabinet that you've got going on in there. It's not 396 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 4: as simple as it. It's not nice and tidy. It 397 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 4: is tidy, but it's. 398 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 3: Not I couldn't get my head around. I was talking 399 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 3: to this guy and he had what is it called, 400 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 3: like facial amnesia or something, so he can't create pictures 401 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,159 Speaker 3: in his brain. 402 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: Wow. 403 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,639 Speaker 3: So if you're not in the room, and I said, 404 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: you know, Jerry Wells. He knows your name, but he 405 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,239 Speaker 3: cannot picture you. Oh wow. But then when he sees you, 406 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 3: he knows that you were Jeremy Wells. But when you're away, 407 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 3: he couldn't. If he was the best drawer in the world, 408 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 3: he couldn't draw your He can't recall could he recall 409 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 3: what a pie look like? No, he can't see pictures. 410 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 3: He can't see all images in his Brus Jesus that 411 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 3: would be. So he knows what a pie is, but 412 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 3: he knows theoretically and I couldn't get my head around this. 413 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 3: So he knows theoretically what a pie is, but he 414 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 3: can't see an image. 415 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: Of a pie. 416 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 5: Wow. 417 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: While we're on that, how do blind people who are 418 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 4: one hundred percent blind see color? 419 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 5: Well, let's take a break and come back with the answer. 420 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: Question is how do blind questions? Do you trim you downstairs? 421 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: Never seen anything? 422 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 7: Think of color? 423 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 5: That's why it's the similar questions and people that were 424 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 5: born deaf when they when they have thoughts in their head. 425 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 5: You know, how you have a thought that kind of 426 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 5: has a voice or something like that, or when you 427 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 5: have a dream you hear people talking and stuff like that. 428 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 5: Do they have to people that have been born from. 429 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, because they've done these studies where they have people 430 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: that have they've had these studies of people that never 431 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: learned language at all because they've been on their own. 432 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 1: It was Ukrainian babies that they they had this used 433 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: to think that you didn't talk to children if they 434 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: were orphans. They had this really weird way of treating orphans. 435 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: And it's a very different thing people that grow up 436 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 1: not thinking in words because some of us thinking words 437 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 1: and some of us thinking pictures and most of us 438 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: thinking both. But if you didn't have the words, because 439 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: most of us do think in words, which is really 440 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: fucking weird because that's that's a language that's been in 441 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: print on us. But I guess there's a baby at 442 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: some point. You have to think of pictures before you 443 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: get there, and dogs thinking pictures. 444 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 3: On the color thing though, even though you can't see, 445 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 3: can you still take in frequency though, because you know 446 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 3: color is like a frequency, so whether you can still 447 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 3: absorb that frequency, But then you wouldn't have any frame 448 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 3: of reference because you know, it's more like this Britannicas 449 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,439 Speaker 3: we're looking at. You'd say it's sort of a maroon red. 450 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: We agree, even though we might see that color differently, 451 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: we agree that's that frequency is what we all sort 452 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 3: of are calling a maroon red color. 453 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: Well, there's something I was reading the other day and 454 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: some people would dispute this, but that they didn't have 455 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: a word for blue for the longest time, and lots 456 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: of cultures don't have blue. They just think it's shades 457 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 1: of black. They just think it's shades of night. 458 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 3: So wrong. 459 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're wrong idiots. 460 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 3: I mean from Greek. 461 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 7: That blue is definitely a shade of black, don't you. 462 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they just think blue is black. And interestingly, 463 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: like you know, when we talk about the seven colors, 464 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 1: we look at that's just because Newton was like I 465 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: want seven because because it was because he was a 466 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: religious number in seven's heavenly number. So a lot of these, 467 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: a lot of these things that we perceive around color 468 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 1: of just being imprinted upon us. 469 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 3: This has been a real take some mushrooms at a UNI. 470 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: This is what people tune into the Daily Bespoke podcast for. 471 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 3: I learned you learn a lot right from nicotine, yeah, 472 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 3: through to do blind people see colors. I don't think 473 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 3: we're going to. 474 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: Do what sex, like if you're blind, like, have you've 475 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 1: always been blind? Do you like a set of moves 476 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: as much as we do? Is it the looking at 477 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: them or the feel of them that we like? 478 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 3: Wouldn't it be the whole seven Indian masters feeling up 479 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 3: an elephant situation? 480 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 4: You like, touch'd all over. I suspect that as a 481 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 4: blind person we're talking blind sex here. Yeah, I suspect 482 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 4: as a blind person that the sensation of touch and smell. 483 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 3: Would be intense and. 484 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 4: You'd be able to You'd be able to smell a 485 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 4: whole lot more things than you would be able to 486 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,399 Speaker 4: if you couldn't. But I think touch would be a 487 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 4: big one because because you're essentially feeling out shapes and 488 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 4: the and the sensation of a shape would would then 489 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 4: draw pictures in your mind. 490 00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: Sexual activity is better. You know, there's a problem in 491 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: society now where, particularly for men, sexuality is becoming way 492 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: more visual because of pornography and stuff, so that they're 493 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: getting their cues from from visual more than them touch 494 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: and touch seems used to be example, Yeah, exactly. 495 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 3: Coma a bit of coma bit of like jasmine essential 496 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 3: oil through you downstairs and bring back because then you 497 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 3: know then you're bringing back sort of different senses. 498 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: I'm still using brill cream and like sort of combing 499 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,439 Speaker 1: it to one side. Yeah, just a little sophisticated. A 500 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: couple of sprigs of lavender. 501 00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, yeah, don't no, you don't want to go rosemary. 502 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 3: You don't want to go sort of color may savory. 503 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: Do you know what some is good? Do you know 504 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: what's talking about this conversation? As my mum's name was rosemary, 505 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: and then she decided she didn't like it, so she 506 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: changed the name to lavender. So both those things that 507 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: you're cutting off and putting down your downstairs made me 508 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable. 509 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 3: Bold move, because I would have gone, you don't like 510 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 3: the name rosemary because it's maybe sort of a spice 511 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 3: or a scent. But then you're just see what len 512 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: it's a master stroke. Well you should never bring to 513 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 3: the bedroom, which I think everyone does in the failed 514 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 3: attempt in their late teens early twenties. Is food. You know, 515 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 3: you think I'll be so sexy they have some chocolate strawberries, 516 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: or paint some chocolate on you. It's a horrendous idea. 517 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 4: Using you're telling about there's a dipping well for strawberry 518 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,719 Speaker 4: with putting some chocolate in it and it rise up. 519 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:14,000 Speaker 5: Every Body shot is so sexy though, you know that 520 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 5: the idea of drinking off someone's stomach, the idea of 521 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 5: that really gets me going. And do you ever find yourself 522 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,120 Speaker 5: actually in a situation where a body shots happening? You going, what. 523 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 3: Cruiser? 524 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 7: And yeah, I mean, have you ever mesh, I mean, 525 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 7: to be fair, you you poo poo. 526 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 4: The idea, But have you ever opened your mouth, live 527 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 4: face up, open your mouth and taken a drink of 528 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 4: bourbon off someone's butt? Crack as it goes down as 529 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 4: they're in the all force position and you're underneath them, 530 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 4: they down. 531 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 5: Oddly specific, But no, I haven't done that. 532 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:54,400 Speaker 1: Three days radio you're thinking about I'll tell you what's 533 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: interesting about the male memory, Like so you got to 534 00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:01,639 Speaker 1: talk about you can't remember anything, and and eyewitnesses a 535 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: terrible all that kind of stuff. But there was a 536 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: woman that just walked past and I just caught her 537 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 1: out of the corner of my eye, walk past down 538 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: that alleyway, not her, and I bet I could describe 539 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:15,040 Speaker 1: everything not her. I bet I could describe everything about it, 540 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: like what the black sweater she was wearing imprinted into 541 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,640 Speaker 1: my memory. So if she commits a murder, then I'd 542 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: know exactly everything she did. Surprising that women don't get 543 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: busted for more murders because you. 544 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 8: Know, maybe that's my hot woman murderer, because there'd be 545 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 8: four hundred guys that knew exactly their movements, or would 546 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 8: be like CCTV footage around the town, they know exactly. 547 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: Where they were. Anyway. Yeah, see, bloody busy, thanks so 548 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: much for coming in. 549 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 3: It's an absolute pleasure. And just you stay safe on 550 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:50,119 Speaker 3: that vape that feels like a gateway. You're going to 551 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 3: be full bulking horns. Surely, I'll tell you what. 552 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: Since you guys brought it up, it's actually cured in 553 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,959 Speaker 1: my diction. Have you noticed that I haven't touched it 554 00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:59,360 Speaker 1: since then? 555 00:26:59,520 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: Yes? 556 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: Nice? Yeah, So I'm off it now. I'll just I'm 557 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: gonna go off. 558 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 5: It played the Saturday I fent on Spotify two and 559 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 5: a half thousand players. 560 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: What I'm meeting. Congrats me just. 561 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 6: Be you, but one day will breach breach breach. 562 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to bridge you deep. 563 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 6: I'm a five fan. I'll be your guy man. Yeah, 564 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 6: we'll bridge breach breach. I'm going to breach you deep. 565 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:46,439 Speaker 6: Come on, John Line, I'm going to jab you. Fine, 566 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 6: then I'll run. I'm fucking post shop. 567 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: We were deep in the COVID situation. Now, I was trying. 568 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: I was trying to run a six yual Mida four there. 569 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a real there's a real stalking in 570 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 3: the Parkine, Well, you're covering so many. 571 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: That was at the time where you were allowed to 572 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: be within three meters of someone. So I was writing 573 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: a song about wearing a mask and following someone that 574 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: you fancied three meters behind. 575 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 4: Breaching and the breach. I haven't heard that word for 576 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 4: a bloody long time. 577 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 3: Breaches and the birth and World War two is what 578 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 3: I think of the word breach. 579 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 7: Hey, thanks for coming in. 580 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 4: I just started with a terrible piece of well finished 581 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,920 Speaker 4: with another terrible piece of ED three. 582 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: Now there you go. I've kept trying to call it 583 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: the Life of Die, but it's called Let Die three 584 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: Documentary three. 585 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,640 Speaker 3: Now stream your face off. 586 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got there. I love your mate. Got the 587 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: album one stuff. Hello, I'm Matt Heath. You have been 588 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: listening to the Matt and Jerry Daily Bespoke podcast Right 589 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: now you can listen to our Radio Highlights podcast, which 590 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: you will absolutely get barred up about anyway. Set to download, like, subscribe, write, review, 591 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: all those great things. It really helps myself and Jerry 592 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: and to a lesser extent, Mash and Ruder. 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