1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: To the case of the Tikuwitzy baby homicide investigation. The 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: baby's father has spoken out, saying that he was alone 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: at home with the baby at the time, but he 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: didn't kill the boy. He says, the baby, ten month 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: old with stuff for Ali, choked and he tried to 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: save him. Police, though, believe the boy died of violent 7 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: blunt force trauma and that it wasn't an accident. Detective 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,240 Speaker 1: Inspector Graham Pitt Kethley is leading the case. High Graham, Hello, 9 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: do you believe the dad's story. 10 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: I'm aware of a dad story as of you reported before. 11 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: We believe there's some inconsistencies with the statements that we 12 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: had and the inquiry teams weak and really hard to 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 2: corroborate some of that information and determine what those inconsistencies are, 14 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: and basically based around the injuries that has been suffered 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: by Mustafa. 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 1: So what his version of how the boy that the 17 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: injuries the boy got does not match up with the 18 00:00:58,400 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: injuries that you guys are aware of. 19 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 2: The injuries that Mustafa has and the explanations that we're 20 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: getting from members of the family that we're speaking to 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: are inconsistent. 22 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: Okay, what kind of injuries does the boy have. 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 2: I'm not going to comment on the actual injuries in 24 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 2: regards to its still somewhat complex matter and for the 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: pathologists to undertake his reporting for us in a specialist. 26 00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 2: But as obviously before, in regards to what we do know, 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 2: it is blood falls trauma and it's not consistent with 28 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 2: an accident at this stage, and that's why we're investigating. 29 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: Why don't you think it was accidental. 30 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: Due to the violent injuries that the Mustafa has suffered. 31 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 1: What are you saying it's just too much to be 32 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: an accident. 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty much, that's what I'm saying. It just seems 34 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: to be inconsistent with what we'd expect from an accident. Unfortunately, 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 2: children do have accidents, and we do have a lot 36 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 2: of reports that get investigated around non accidental and accidental injuries. 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: So with their experienced in regards to working with our 38 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: experens to try and determine what is accidental and what 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: is non accidental face in this case, very early on 40 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: in regards to our initial inquiries, it is inconsistent with 41 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: being an accident. The injury city subject. 42 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: Were you already aware that there was an incident late 43 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: last year where the boy was hurt. 44 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 2: Yet we were aware in regards to a notification Intober 45 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: and November last year around you missed up for being injured. 46 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: It's correct, Yes, were you investigating that? 47 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: Yes, yep, we are investigating and it will be reinvestigated 48 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: as part of this Somerson and query. 49 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: But so Graham, you were you already investigating it and 50 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 1: you were still investigating at the time of the boy's death. 51 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: The investigation ad was at the completion stage that from 52 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: October November last year. But it will be fully investigated 53 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 2: again as part of a homicide inquiry. 54 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: Okay, And can you say whether you had determined who 55 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: was like whether somebody was guilty for that. 56 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: No, I'm not going to outline that at the moment, 57 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: As I said, I wanted to be fully reinvestigated as 58 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: this smicide inquiry. 59 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: So ram should should that investigation given given the age 60 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: of the boy, should that investigation actually have happened faster? 61 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: No, I'm satisfied at this initial stages that the start 62 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: that we're investigating has done the best that they can 63 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 2: and relation to that, like anything in these tragic situations, 64 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 2: we will go back and have a look to see 65 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 2: if there was anything else that could have been done 66 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: And I can't give you a comment on that at 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 2: the moment because there's a set at store under investigation. 68 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: It south and will be part of a wider homicide investigation. 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: Is that when or on Tamriki got involved. 70 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: Oh look, I can't comment on anything from another government agency, 71 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: but with anythink under our child protection protocols, there are 72 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: joint investigation processes that we undertake with Ronnie Kamriki, so 73 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 2: we try and work together on our eccedents and non 74 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: accidental injuries or accidental injuries in regards to people reporting 75 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 2: concern around children. 76 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: And in this case, is everyone cooperating. 77 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: Yes, everyone is speaking to the police. I just have 78 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 2: some concerns around the inconsistencies of some of the statements 79 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 2: at We're getting all right. 80 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: Grahame listen, Thank you very much for your time and 81 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: best of luck getting to the bottom of this. It's 82 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,039 Speaker 1: Graham Pitt Keithley, the detective inspector leading the case. For 83 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive, listen live to news 84 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the 85 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio.