1 00:00:09,093 --> 00:00:12,693 Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News talks'd be follow 2 00:00:12,773 --> 00:00:16,133 Speaker 1: this and our wide range of podcasts now on iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:16,453 --> 00:00:20,052 Speaker 2: It's another pretty dramatic police purshoot on Saturday night, just 4 00:00:20,093 --> 00:00:23,052 Speaker 2: the latest. There are often very dramatic police purshoots. So 5 00:00:23,093 --> 00:00:24,893 Speaker 2: we want to hear from you if you have managed 6 00:00:24,933 --> 00:00:29,613 Speaker 2: to evade police after being fleshed or given that we 7 00:00:30,333 --> 00:00:32,773 Speaker 2: siren for half a second and you decided to try 8 00:00:32,813 --> 00:00:34,772 Speaker 2: and see if you get away. Love to hear from you, 9 00:00:34,773 --> 00:00:37,853 Speaker 2: and no one hundred lady, Tim, I just you. 10 00:00:37,773 --> 00:00:38,493 Speaker 3: Can't get away. 11 00:00:38,533 --> 00:00:38,852 Speaker 1: Can you? 12 00:00:39,933 --> 00:00:42,732 Speaker 3: Welcome to the show, Mike, You've you've gapped it on 13 00:00:42,772 --> 00:00:43,853 Speaker 3: the cops before. 14 00:00:44,653 --> 00:00:47,412 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and good afternoon to you guys. Yeah. I 15 00:00:47,452 --> 00:00:51,373 Speaker 4: have done that very recently. So the last let's say 16 00:00:51,452 --> 00:00:57,293 Speaker 4: three months, had a bit of a pursuit. But I 17 00:00:57,373 --> 00:00:59,533 Speaker 4: was selective in what car I was driving, so I 18 00:00:59,613 --> 00:01:00,933 Speaker 4: knew I had the advantage. 19 00:01:02,573 --> 00:01:05,653 Speaker 3: So how did that, How did this? How did this 20 00:01:05,693 --> 00:01:08,573 Speaker 3: whole thing start off? What were you doing wrong that 21 00:01:09,293 --> 00:01:09,733 Speaker 3: the attention? 22 00:01:11,653 --> 00:01:15,133 Speaker 4: Yep, so North Auckland. I was heading south down one 23 00:01:15,133 --> 00:01:20,372 Speaker 4: of the main highways, well exceeding the speed limit. The 24 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:23,333 Speaker 4: officer was coming in the opposite direction. Must have picked 25 00:01:23,373 --> 00:01:27,253 Speaker 4: me up on his radar, flashed his lights and looked 26 00:01:27,292 --> 00:01:29,333 Speaker 4: straight under my eyes thinking that I was going to 27 00:01:29,373 --> 00:01:31,133 Speaker 4: pull over while he had to do the U turn 28 00:01:32,053 --> 00:01:33,613 Speaker 4: and just kept it. 29 00:01:34,212 --> 00:01:34,613 Speaker 3: Wow. 30 00:01:34,733 --> 00:01:37,933 Speaker 4: But I had the advantage. Yeah, I was running Australian, 31 00:01:38,013 --> 00:01:40,373 Speaker 4: the muscle car, so late model muscle car, so it 32 00:01:40,533 --> 00:01:42,253 Speaker 4: had the advantage over the Skoda. 33 00:01:42,173 --> 00:01:47,693 Speaker 3: Wow at that point, at that point, sorry Mike, at 34 00:01:47,693 --> 00:01:49,733 Speaker 3: that point when you decided to gap it, did you think, well, 35 00:01:49,773 --> 00:01:52,333 Speaker 3: this is this is really escalating things. If I do 36 00:01:52,413 --> 00:01:53,813 Speaker 3: get pulled over, now I'm in a lot of. 37 00:01:53,733 --> 00:01:57,653 Speaker 4: Trouble either way, They're taking my car and I'm getting 38 00:01:57,653 --> 00:02:00,133 Speaker 4: locked up. So the new rules have change. The fines 39 00:02:00,173 --> 00:02:03,853 Speaker 4: are excessive. You're pretty much going straight to jail, and 40 00:02:03,893 --> 00:02:06,173 Speaker 4: you're losing a car for six months, let's say, and 41 00:02:06,213 --> 00:02:08,733 Speaker 4: you're paying stworage fees on it. So the actually the 42 00:02:08,813 --> 00:02:12,293 Speaker 4: rules that they changed recently have actually made it more 43 00:02:12,333 --> 00:02:15,252 Speaker 4: of an advantage to take their risk rather than actually 44 00:02:15,253 --> 00:02:16,653 Speaker 4: slow down and stop and get a ticket. 45 00:02:16,733 --> 00:02:18,213 Speaker 2: So you were going more than fifty k over the 46 00:02:18,213 --> 00:02:20,132 Speaker 2: speed limit? Might I take it if that was what 47 00:02:20,213 --> 00:02:21,893 Speaker 2: the punishment you got called? 48 00:02:22,693 --> 00:02:22,893 Speaker 1: Yeah? 49 00:02:22,933 --> 00:02:23,813 Speaker 4: Correct? Correct? 50 00:02:24,573 --> 00:02:25,012 Speaker 5: Do you think? 51 00:02:25,213 --> 00:02:26,973 Speaker 3: How do you feel about speeding. Do you think that's 52 00:02:27,173 --> 00:02:28,412 Speaker 3: okay for you to speed? 53 00:02:29,853 --> 00:02:32,093 Speaker 4: Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, that was actually a one off. 54 00:02:32,453 --> 00:02:37,653 Speaker 4: But put itviously age wise on fifty nine. I've been 55 00:02:37,773 --> 00:02:41,173 Speaker 4: driving cars and driving sometimes the cars hard since my 56 00:02:41,213 --> 00:02:45,252 Speaker 4: early teens and never lost my license in my whole 57 00:02:45,333 --> 00:02:48,732 Speaker 4: driving history, never had a major accident and my whole 58 00:02:48,773 --> 00:02:52,532 Speaker 4: driving history. So but you've got to pick your situation. 59 00:02:52,653 --> 00:02:56,532 Speaker 4: You can't be under the influence of anything, and you've 60 00:02:56,573 --> 00:02:59,532 Speaker 4: got to have a clear path of what you can 61 00:02:59,573 --> 00:03:01,453 Speaker 4: and can't do. So it's not one of those things 62 00:03:01,453 --> 00:03:04,532 Speaker 4: that you're doing intoxicated or on the influence of any 63 00:03:04,613 --> 00:03:08,293 Speaker 4: sort of drug. So then your wigh up your decisions. 64 00:03:08,613 --> 00:03:11,693 Speaker 4: Second decision, Yes, do you stop or do you keep going? 65 00:03:11,972 --> 00:03:16,653 Speaker 3: So when you say that the police officers saw you, 66 00:03:17,053 --> 00:03:19,573 Speaker 3: like made eye contact with you, wouldn't you think at 67 00:03:19,573 --> 00:03:21,573 Speaker 3: that point that he's also made eye contact with your 68 00:03:21,653 --> 00:03:22,133 Speaker 3: number plate? 69 00:03:23,773 --> 00:03:26,053 Speaker 4: Ah, that's where you've got to realize that static camera 70 00:03:26,293 --> 00:03:29,213 Speaker 4: actually can pick up your plate. A moving vehicle can't 71 00:03:29,453 --> 00:03:31,813 Speaker 4: actually pick up your plate recognition. 72 00:03:32,252 --> 00:03:34,773 Speaker 3: Oh right, man, it sounds like you're across this issue. 73 00:03:36,053 --> 00:03:36,973 Speaker 3: So do you think what. 74 00:03:37,333 --> 00:03:37,973 Speaker 5: Do you think you're doing? 75 00:03:37,973 --> 00:03:41,693 Speaker 4: I did study it after after that encounter, I did 76 00:03:41,693 --> 00:03:45,093 Speaker 4: actually study whether that'd come to find me. 77 00:03:45,493 --> 00:03:48,213 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so do you think what do you think 78 00:03:48,253 --> 00:03:50,933 Speaker 3: about the whole thing morally? Do you think about that 79 00:03:51,013 --> 00:03:53,333 Speaker 3: at all? Do you think you know you were getting 80 00:03:53,333 --> 00:03:56,333 Speaker 3: away and as a result you're adding a certain amount 81 00:03:56,373 --> 00:03:59,413 Speaker 3: of risk to other people on the road by blasting 82 00:03:59,453 --> 00:04:01,413 Speaker 3: out of there at even faster than you were traveling. 83 00:04:03,053 --> 00:04:05,213 Speaker 4: No, No, that's what I'm saying that Actually you don't 84 00:04:05,213 --> 00:04:07,733 Speaker 4: do it under the influence. You're actually evaluating the whole 85 00:04:07,773 --> 00:04:11,413 Speaker 4: situation and the area you're driving in. Put it this way, 86 00:04:11,413 --> 00:04:13,653 Speaker 4: it wouldn't be happening in a school zone and the built. 87 00:04:13,453 --> 00:04:18,413 Speaker 3: Up area, right, whether you whether you're under the influence 88 00:04:18,533 --> 00:04:22,293 Speaker 3: or not, Mike, If you're traveling at huge speeds and 89 00:04:22,333 --> 00:04:24,613 Speaker 3: if you say you've got an Australian muscle car, that's 90 00:04:24,653 --> 00:04:27,013 Speaker 3: a that's quite a large amount of mass setting down 91 00:04:27,053 --> 00:04:29,333 Speaker 3: the road and you know things can go wrong, things 92 00:04:29,373 --> 00:04:32,133 Speaker 3: that aren't even your fault. Someone can cross the lane 93 00:04:32,213 --> 00:04:35,493 Speaker 3: or someone is doing something weird that is adding you 94 00:04:35,533 --> 00:04:38,373 Speaker 3: would admit quite a lot of risk to the situation. 95 00:04:41,093 --> 00:04:43,693 Speaker 4: I would say, in some aspects of us, depending on 96 00:04:43,733 --> 00:04:46,773 Speaker 4: the driver's ability. And once again, it comes down to 97 00:04:49,133 --> 00:04:52,613 Speaker 4: their ability, not just the performance of the vehicle. So 98 00:04:53,253 --> 00:04:55,013 Speaker 4: we can talk about the performance of the vehicle, you know, 99 00:04:55,173 --> 00:04:58,053 Speaker 4: I say muscle car, but also the brakes are actually 100 00:04:58,053 --> 00:05:01,933 Speaker 4: equipped with the upgraded as well, so everything's stopping under 101 00:05:01,973 --> 00:05:04,373 Speaker 4: him and it's got the horse and the stops. But 102 00:05:04,453 --> 00:05:07,173 Speaker 4: you're not going to go and pick you know, somebody's 103 00:05:07,333 --> 00:05:11,773 Speaker 4: on a learner license that's jumped into a V eight 104 00:05:11,933 --> 00:05:14,573 Speaker 4: Audie that mum and Dad brought for him and he's 105 00:05:14,613 --> 00:05:15,893 Speaker 4: going to then take on the law. 106 00:05:17,213 --> 00:05:18,413 Speaker 3: What kind of carrier you're driving? 107 00:05:20,093 --> 00:05:23,413 Speaker 4: I won't mentioned because it's a limited limited. Yeah, I'm sorry, 108 00:05:23,413 --> 00:05:26,213 Speaker 4: I'm not going to mention that. Just say it's Australia 109 00:05:26,293 --> 00:05:28,933 Speaker 4: muscle cars. So it's between the holding and the forwarded. 110 00:05:28,733 --> 00:05:32,453 Speaker 2: Range, right right, Okay, I mean why wouldn't you, Mike, 111 00:05:32,533 --> 00:05:34,053 Speaker 2: if you want to go to those sort of speeds, 112 00:05:34,053 --> 00:05:36,133 Speaker 2: why wouldn't you take it on Pooka Koi or one 113 00:05:36,133 --> 00:05:38,773 Speaker 2: of the race tracks where it is you, you know, 114 00:05:38,893 --> 00:05:41,053 Speaker 2: the only person you're putting at rest there is yourself. 115 00:05:42,533 --> 00:05:44,613 Speaker 4: No, no, this this is just a one off. It's 116 00:05:44,613 --> 00:05:46,253 Speaker 4: not like you do it on a regular basis. This 117 00:05:46,413 --> 00:05:50,133 Speaker 4: was just the hair situation that it was clear over 118 00:05:50,173 --> 00:05:52,893 Speaker 4: ahead and everything was fine and it was a nice 119 00:05:52,973 --> 00:05:56,653 Speaker 4: day in the circumstances. You know, we're all positive in 120 00:05:56,693 --> 00:05:59,213 Speaker 4: my favor, apart from the officer coming in the other direction. 121 00:06:00,173 --> 00:06:00,893 Speaker 3: Is it a falcon? 122 00:06:01,013 --> 00:06:05,013 Speaker 4: And I was just I've got both in the camp. 123 00:06:05,133 --> 00:06:07,413 Speaker 4: I've got both. I've hold an end falcon. 124 00:06:07,133 --> 00:06:08,253 Speaker 5: So an arrow? 125 00:06:09,933 --> 00:06:14,853 Speaker 2: No, no, Well, I've got to say, I mean, one, 126 00:06:15,093 --> 00:06:19,133 Speaker 2: you know that the speeding element, but two, trying to 127 00:06:19,133 --> 00:06:21,813 Speaker 2: get away from the cops. Risky move, really risky move. 128 00:06:22,933 --> 00:06:26,453 Speaker 4: No, no, no, But you've got to understand that you're evaluating. 129 00:06:26,853 --> 00:06:32,973 Speaker 4: If you're of sound mind and you're evaluating your circumstances 130 00:06:33,053 --> 00:06:37,533 Speaker 4: that you're presented in front of you, and you're preempting everything, 131 00:06:37,693 --> 00:06:40,333 Speaker 4: you're actually okay. But like I say, too many people 132 00:06:40,413 --> 00:06:43,173 Speaker 4: are doing it under influence or something and they're on 133 00:06:43,173 --> 00:06:47,533 Speaker 4: a high and they're going for this adrenaline buzz. You've 134 00:06:47,533 --> 00:06:50,053 Speaker 4: got to be in control of the situation, whether you're 135 00:06:50,053 --> 00:06:52,653 Speaker 4: going ten k's over the speed limit of fifty or 136 00:06:52,693 --> 00:06:55,533 Speaker 4: sixty or seventy or whatever you're doing. Yeah, you know, 137 00:06:55,573 --> 00:06:57,373 Speaker 4: you've got to be in control of the situation and 138 00:06:57,453 --> 00:07:01,133 Speaker 4: your destiny and the destiny of others. The problem is 139 00:07:01,453 --> 00:07:03,173 Speaker 4: a lot of them, you're find and they're doing it 140 00:07:03,253 --> 00:07:06,853 Speaker 4: under influence of could be the fear pressure, could be 141 00:07:06,893 --> 00:07:08,333 Speaker 4: the YouTubers, could be anything. 142 00:07:09,253 --> 00:07:11,493 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess Mike, some people would say that 143 00:07:11,533 --> 00:07:13,493 Speaker 3: if you're running from the cops, they would question with 144 00:07:13,613 --> 00:07:17,493 Speaker 3: a ear of sound mine. But boy an interesting insight. Yeah, 145 00:07:17,533 --> 00:07:22,173 Speaker 3: this textas is you d head's teaching people how to 146 00:07:22,213 --> 00:07:25,013 Speaker 3: run from the cops. Very irresponsible. 147 00:07:25,773 --> 00:07:28,653 Speaker 2: No, that's not me here, we'd call that a listen. 148 00:07:28,693 --> 00:07:32,413 Speaker 3: I mean that's we're discussing the issue, and I think 149 00:07:32,413 --> 00:07:36,933 Speaker 3: it's important to see mindsets in society. E one hundred 150 00:07:36,933 --> 00:07:39,373 Speaker 3: and eighty ten eighty. We're talking about running from the cops. 151 00:07:40,253 --> 00:07:41,253 Speaker 3: Why do people do it? 152 00:07:41,693 --> 00:07:43,333 Speaker 1: Matti than Tyler Adams. 153 00:07:43,733 --> 00:07:45,813 Speaker 2: There's been a heck of a lot of feedback from Mike. 154 00:07:46,133 --> 00:07:49,893 Speaker 3: What an idiot, Mike, and doesn't sound young. Go to 155 00:07:49,893 --> 00:07:52,133 Speaker 3: Australia and see what happens to you. Yeah, I mean 156 00:07:52,173 --> 00:07:55,453 Speaker 3: Australian cops. They'll whop a gun out pretty quickly. 157 00:07:55,653 --> 00:07:56,373 Speaker 5: They certainly will. 158 00:07:57,093 --> 00:07:59,413 Speaker 3: It's interesting Mike because he is fifty nine. That caller 159 00:07:59,453 --> 00:08:01,733 Speaker 3: that was telling us about runn away from the cops. 160 00:08:01,733 --> 00:08:03,813 Speaker 3: I think it was three months ago. So you know, 161 00:08:03,893 --> 00:08:06,173 Speaker 3: normally you calm down by the time, but by the 162 00:08:06,173 --> 00:08:07,053 Speaker 3: time you're fifty nine. 163 00:08:07,533 --> 00:08:11,253 Speaker 2: But a big beck towards Mike. But look, he was 164 00:08:11,293 --> 00:08:13,573 Speaker 2: brave enough to call in and so yeah, who was 165 00:08:13,653 --> 00:08:18,333 Speaker 2: listening to that conversation policemanister Mark Mitchell who joins us. Now, Mark, 166 00:08:18,453 --> 00:08:19,373 Speaker 2: very good afternoon to you. 167 00:08:20,053 --> 00:08:22,933 Speaker 5: Yeah, afternoon, guys. I called in because I was listening 168 00:08:22,973 --> 00:08:25,053 Speaker 5: to this. I'm on the way to a Bravery's Awards 169 00:08:25,053 --> 00:08:28,493 Speaker 5: ceremonial government house for our police officers and I just 170 00:08:28,493 --> 00:08:31,133 Speaker 5: thought you guys handled it very very well. Thanks, sort 171 00:08:31,133 --> 00:08:34,012 Speaker 5: of nailed the message, which is which is be compliant. 172 00:08:35,013 --> 00:08:37,333 Speaker 5: So I just couldn't believe here he's gone on that 173 00:08:37,493 --> 00:08:39,693 Speaker 5: I'm a good driver and you know all the rest 174 00:08:39,732 --> 00:08:41,772 Speaker 5: of it in trying to justify it's ridiculous. 175 00:08:41,892 --> 00:08:47,292 Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll love that. You're on the case now, Yeah. 176 00:08:48,012 --> 00:08:50,213 Speaker 5: I like I like the way you guys said, can 177 00:08:50,252 --> 00:08:53,973 Speaker 5: you describe you the you'll be doing that? Almost got it? 178 00:08:54,693 --> 00:08:56,813 Speaker 3: What is the current situation now because we don't have 179 00:08:56,933 --> 00:08:59,613 Speaker 3: a specific if I'm right that didn't happen, that there's 180 00:08:59,612 --> 00:09:03,892 Speaker 3: a specific offense fleeing from the police. You know that 181 00:09:04,053 --> 00:09:05,693 Speaker 3: on top of what you're doing. Is that correct? 182 00:09:06,653 --> 00:09:08,533 Speaker 5: Look, I'd have to check that. I think they're are 183 00:09:08,533 --> 00:09:11,573 Speaker 5: failing to stop offense for someone that doesn't stop for police, 184 00:09:11,612 --> 00:09:16,333 Speaker 5: So yes, there is a specific offense for that. But 185 00:09:16,453 --> 00:09:18,093 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, the reality of it is our 186 00:09:18,093 --> 00:09:19,973 Speaker 5: police officers are out there to keep our roads safe. 187 00:09:20,492 --> 00:09:22,093 Speaker 5: We're in a pretty good space at the numbers of 188 00:09:22,132 --> 00:09:25,252 Speaker 5: their country. Our road toll is coming down, you know, 189 00:09:25,413 --> 00:09:27,173 Speaker 5: And the reality of is that when people leave home, 190 00:09:27,213 --> 00:09:28,573 Speaker 5: they want to get home safely at the end of 191 00:09:28,612 --> 00:09:30,653 Speaker 5: the day, and the police are out there to try 192 00:09:30,693 --> 00:09:32,333 Speaker 5: and make sure that happens. Yeah, on the. 193 00:09:32,813 --> 00:09:36,973 Speaker 2: Police pursue policy, Mark, has that made a discernible difference 194 00:09:37,012 --> 00:09:39,813 Speaker 2: when that was changed, I believe in mid twenty twenty three. 195 00:09:41,333 --> 00:09:43,932 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's very operational, But yes, I think it 196 00:09:43,973 --> 00:09:47,052 Speaker 5: has made a big difference because you've reintroduced that to 197 00:09:47,173 --> 00:09:50,732 Speaker 5: terrent factor again, where offenders were out there sort of 198 00:09:50,813 --> 00:09:53,693 Speaker 5: acting with impunity, knowing the police weren't going to respond. 199 00:09:54,293 --> 00:09:56,012 Speaker 5: And I think now they know that they do, and 200 00:09:56,093 --> 00:09:58,133 Speaker 5: the police are still very cautious around that. They still 201 00:09:58,213 --> 00:10:01,413 Speaker 5: have full operational discretion in terms of whether they continue 202 00:10:01,453 --> 00:10:04,292 Speaker 5: to pursuit or pull out of it. But they've got 203 00:10:04,333 --> 00:10:06,373 Speaker 5: that ability to be able to make those decisions again, 204 00:10:06,372 --> 00:10:07,772 Speaker 5: and I think that was an important step in the 205 00:10:07,852 --> 00:10:08,252 Speaker 5: right direction. 206 00:10:08,693 --> 00:10:10,612 Speaker 3: Of course, it's your job to think of the bigger picture, 207 00:10:10,693 --> 00:10:12,492 Speaker 3: but when it comes to us, do we need to 208 00:10:12,533 --> 00:10:15,053 Speaker 3: think about that bigger picture. Maybe the risk of chasing 209 00:10:15,213 --> 00:10:17,973 Speaker 3: now is high and that incident, but the risk of 210 00:10:18,173 --> 00:10:20,933 Speaker 3: police not chasing is also high. As thesage message gets 211 00:10:20,973 --> 00:10:23,612 Speaker 3: out that you can give it a go if you see, it's. 212 00:10:23,413 --> 00:10:25,772 Speaker 5: A very fine balance. It's a very fine balance. And 213 00:10:25,852 --> 00:10:29,453 Speaker 5: our police officers are making those decisions hundreds of times 214 00:10:29,492 --> 00:10:33,093 Speaker 5: a day and they generally always get it right. But 215 00:10:33,252 --> 00:10:35,773 Speaker 5: there's a lot of stuff that you know that they 216 00:10:35,852 --> 00:10:38,453 Speaker 5: don't control. These are often and they have to weighup 217 00:10:38,492 --> 00:10:41,853 Speaker 5: public safety, but there has to be a de turrent effect. 218 00:10:42,173 --> 00:10:44,812 Speaker 5: If we lived in a society where there was no consequences, 219 00:10:45,413 --> 00:10:48,813 Speaker 5: then everyone just be running right. So, you know, it's 220 00:10:48,852 --> 00:10:50,933 Speaker 5: a really hard one. But look, we've got a world 221 00:10:50,933 --> 00:10:53,132 Speaker 5: class police force. They get a lot of training in 222 00:10:53,173 --> 00:10:55,893 Speaker 5: their decision making, they have that discretion. They are very careful. 223 00:10:56,612 --> 00:10:58,492 Speaker 5: But I think they were in a good place at 224 00:10:58,533 --> 00:11:00,213 Speaker 5: the moment around the pursuit policy. 225 00:11:00,973 --> 00:11:04,813 Speaker 3: Now this might sound flippant. But if I was a 226 00:11:04,892 --> 00:11:06,973 Speaker 3: police officer, and maybe this is why I'm not a 227 00:11:07,012 --> 00:11:09,732 Speaker 3: police officer, but I would I would find the police 228 00:11:09,813 --> 00:11:12,733 Speaker 3: chase pretty fun. I mean getting to do I mean 229 00:11:12,773 --> 00:11:15,093 Speaker 3: that must be when you get to put the siren 230 00:11:15,173 --> 00:11:17,933 Speaker 3: on and chase someone, must be good for morale, when 231 00:11:17,973 --> 00:11:19,892 Speaker 3: you actually get to do it in a safe fashion. 232 00:11:20,012 --> 00:11:22,412 Speaker 3: I mean, well, to be honest, it must be pretty fun. 233 00:11:23,413 --> 00:11:27,053 Speaker 5: Look, I think most police officers, in fact, i'd probably 234 00:11:27,093 --> 00:11:29,292 Speaker 5: say all police officers join because they want to protect 235 00:11:29,293 --> 00:11:31,932 Speaker 5: the communities that they're in. I think that now with 236 00:11:32,012 --> 00:11:34,653 Speaker 5: these high powered vehicles and our police officers are our 237 00:11:34,693 --> 00:11:39,813 Speaker 5: front line, are acutely aware of the risks around police pursuits. 238 00:11:40,252 --> 00:11:44,093 Speaker 5: They don't want to put public at at it added risk. However, 239 00:11:44,132 --> 00:11:46,813 Speaker 5: they've also very conso to the fact that there's got 240 00:11:46,852 --> 00:11:49,653 Speaker 5: to be a deterrent effect effect. And we ended up 241 00:11:49,653 --> 00:11:51,852 Speaker 5: in this place a few years ago where we just 242 00:11:51,933 --> 00:11:56,093 Speaker 5: had rempant crime with stolen vehicles failing to stop operating 243 00:11:56,093 --> 00:11:58,372 Speaker 5: with impunity. And if we want to have an ordered society, 244 00:11:58,453 --> 00:12:00,612 Speaker 5: then the police have to have the ability to be 245 00:12:00,653 --> 00:12:01,292 Speaker 5: able to deal with that. 246 00:12:01,693 --> 00:12:04,213 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we're talking to Mark Mitchell new Zealand Minister 247 00:12:04,413 --> 00:12:06,573 Speaker 3: of Police. Are the Scots fast enough? 248 00:12:06,933 --> 00:12:11,693 Speaker 5: Mark, I don't know when I heard the gidness go 249 00:12:11,892 --> 00:12:13,973 Speaker 5: as I'm head have to admit I did take a 250 00:12:14,012 --> 00:12:16,292 Speaker 5: step and take but the feed deck I have is 251 00:12:16,573 --> 00:12:19,973 Speaker 5: very very very good in their police officers like operating 252 00:12:20,012 --> 00:12:20,292 Speaker 5: them here. 253 00:12:20,573 --> 00:12:22,532 Speaker 3: Yeah, brilliant. Thank you so much for calling in. 254 00:12:22,693 --> 00:12:24,813 Speaker 2: Yeah, great to chat with you. And you said you're 255 00:12:24,813 --> 00:12:26,693 Speaker 2: off to the Bravery Bravery Awards. 256 00:12:26,732 --> 00:12:27,093 Speaker 4: Is that right? 257 00:12:27,852 --> 00:12:29,973 Speaker 5: Yes I am. I'm heading up to Gumming House now. 258 00:12:30,053 --> 00:12:31,372 Speaker 5: So I was just listening to the radio and I 259 00:12:31,453 --> 00:12:33,372 Speaker 5: just thought you guys handled that cool so well that 260 00:12:33,453 --> 00:12:35,133 Speaker 5: I just wanted to ring in and say thank you, No. 261 00:12:35,372 --> 00:12:37,652 Speaker 2: Very good, Thank you very much for chatting with us. Mark, 262 00:12:37,693 --> 00:12:40,333 Speaker 2: that is Police Minister Mark Mitchell. 263 00:12:41,012 --> 00:12:43,573 Speaker 1: For more from News Talks ed B listen live on 264 00:12:43,732 --> 00:12:46,653 Speaker 1: air or online and keep our shows with you wherever 265 00:12:46,732 --> 00:12:49,292 Speaker 1: you go with our podcast on iHeartRadio.