Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk, said b.
Speaker 1: Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on
Speaker 1: iHeart Radio.
Speaker 2: Take another pat, It's a trick, it is out, the
Speaker 2: test is over.
Speaker 3: Couldn't smoke. Oh wow, was a beauty.
Speaker 2: This is out and hearing guys, this delivery.
Speaker 4: Has in you uses before.
Speaker 1: On the Front Foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody
Speaker 1: powered by News Talks head B at iHeart Radio.
Speaker 2: Hello, nice to have you join us once again on
Speaker 2: the front foot. Well, the rain effected loss for our
Speaker 2: White fun Yeah, it was nine hours as a side
Speaker 2: Blackworth Lewis Stern Cayman to to play leading West Indian
Speaker 2: players off out of a test tour of England. It
Speaker 2: was the same likely to appear in the black Caps
Speaker 2: downtime you used to pick by some of our international
Speaker 2: players and the West Indies are in England and the
Speaker 2: Caribbean Assessment of the World T twenty all that coming
Speaker 2: up on the front foot with me Brian Model and
Speaker 2: the Jeremy Coney and Jeremy Coney, I start by asking
Speaker 2: you which captain would you much rather be in the
Speaker 2: county game that recently ended in the tie. This has
Speaker 2: happened since our last program on the front foot. The
Speaker 2: captain who set five ninety three to win or the
Speaker 2: captain of the side who got five ninety two to tie,
Speaker 2: Who would you much rather be?
Speaker 3: Not an easy choice, is it, really? I guess once
Speaker 3: you've got to five ninety two and you've got the
Speaker 3: whole of that last over to get one run, um,
Speaker 3: you might be a wee bit disappointed. But getting the
Speaker 3: five ninety is not a bad effort, is it really?
Speaker 3: And it wasn't a bad catch, was it. Either? The
Speaker 3: keeper had had his glove off and took it in
Speaker 3: his took it, you know, with the with the glove
Speaker 3: off and just in the hands. You know, the shemis
Speaker 3: just on up to his right. And it was a
Speaker 3: great catch, a little fine edge too. I mean it
Speaker 3: could easily have raced away just wide of him, so
Speaker 3: very close. What a game Glamorgan was it? Glamorgan and Glouceston, Gloucestershire. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the keeper basically did an Olympic marathon in celebration,
Speaker 2: didn't he. I mean he did fifteen circuits of the ground.
Speaker 2: James Bracy was his name. Stunning catch. It got rid
Speaker 2: of Jamie McElroy, a well known name in the Glamorgan side.
Speaker 2: He was the last man and he was given the
Speaker 2: opportunity to win the game that had been set up.
Speaker 2: You know, when you think they got you know, pretty
Speaker 2: well six hundred to lead leave the five ninety three
Speaker 2: Sam Northeast, you know the man. We spoke about it
Speaker 2: start of the year with the triple hundred. He got
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty seven. They got Manus Labershane or
Speaker 2: mel Labisketny or however you want to pronounce his name,
Speaker 2: playing from Morgan, he got nineteen fift one hundred and
Speaker 2: nineteen and then you know you need five to actually
Speaker 2: get close to five ninety two, as you say, is
Speaker 2: absolutely brilliant. Mason Crane was left stranded at the nun
Speaker 2: Strikers in unbeaten on forty two. Probably could have won, Yeah,
Speaker 2: might have made a wrong decision to get down that end,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but oh what a finish to a game.
Speaker 2: I think that's an outstanding game of cricket really when
Speaker 2: you look at it. Neither side got to two hundred
Speaker 2: and their first innings, well that.
Speaker 3: I suppose allowed the time to score that big second
Speaker 3: inning for both teams didn't it. That's fantastic, obviously a
Speaker 3: good pitch and yeah, my word, that's a cracker cracker
Speaker 3: of the game.
Speaker 2: Five ninety two. Oh we played well yeah on the
Speaker 2: last game at five ninety two and spide oh goodness,
Speaker 2: be I reckon. The White Ferns would probably like to
Speaker 2: be in that situation sadly though. They've lost another game,
Speaker 2: a traditional nine overs, a side game. I guess you
Speaker 2: have to be able to play those length of games
Speaker 2: when you're playing in T twenty competitions, because that's what
Speaker 2: happens when you come to World Championships nine overs. They
Speaker 2: weren't able to chase it down. They were beaten by
Speaker 2: Duckworth Lewis. It's just another sad chapter in terms of
Speaker 2: the White Ferns that they are really struggling over there,
Speaker 2: and we've spoken about them. I think we'll leave them
Speaker 2: to get on with their task. Let's get some reflection anyway,
Speaker 2: from Lear to who on the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I think it was good to get out there.
Speaker 5: I think you know, we knew there was going to
Speaker 5: be a lot of rain around. I think the ground
Speaker 5: is the fantastic job to get us out there. You
Speaker 5: know that in twenty cricket, anything can happen. We've played
Speaker 5: shortened games before, we kind of know what to expect,
Speaker 5: and you know, we change a few things around in
Speaker 5: our team to to try and sort of counter that. Yeah, look,
Speaker 5: always happy to take some wickets and you know, try
Speaker 5: and contribute to what we're trying to do out there.
Speaker 5: You know, that's my job up top there is to
Speaker 5: try and take some wickets and get us off to
Speaker 5: a good start. So, you know, always pleasing to be
Speaker 5: able to do that. Yeah, I think from a bowling innings,
Speaker 5: I think we actually didn't bowl too badly. I think,
Speaker 5: you know, it was a tricky wicket in terms of
Speaker 5: the ball was skidding on nicely onto the bat. The
Speaker 5: outfield was obviously skidding on as well, So from that
Speaker 5: point of view, I think we were probably thinking that
Speaker 5: ninety was about pa so but yeah, like I think
Speaker 5: with the bat it's sort of been a bit of
Speaker 5: a theme of ours. I think it's probably going away
Speaker 5: and just having a look at the decisions that we're
Speaker 5: making as batters. And you know, I think the girls
Speaker 5: have worked incredibly hard over the winter and I think
Speaker 5: it's now just being able to put that out into
Speaker 5: the middle, sort of take that form from the nets
Speaker 5: out into the middle. Yeah, look, everything was focused towards
Speaker 5: that teach when you World Cup, really no, betters are
Speaker 5: looking at different ways of being able to score, knowing
Speaker 5: the conditions that we're going to over there, and trying
Speaker 5: to probably open up more areas of the ground and
Speaker 5: as bowlers, I think more seemans have got one or
Speaker 5: two sort of slow balls and different variations that we've
Speaker 5: been working on again knowing that the condition is going
Speaker 5: to be incredibly different to what we've just played on
Speaker 5: out there, and you know, we've done a similar thing
Speaker 5: to England around sort of tinkering with the team and
Speaker 5: trying to get different combinations working knowing that we've got
Speaker 5: ten games until that first T twenty World Cup match.
Speaker 2: Nine overs are side. You can't make judgments on teams
Speaker 2: in those circumstances, can you, really?
Speaker 3: No, not really, and so we could just put that
Speaker 3: one to one side. Really a pretty new zeven lost
Speaker 3: divine baits curves early on in those overs. Really when
Speaker 3: you're chasing well it was virtually what one hundred or
Speaker 3: ninety or something like that they were chasing, So you
Speaker 3: know you're going for ten and over. You need one
Speaker 3: of those big players to do either get out of
Speaker 3: the blocks early for the first three overs which would
Speaker 3: be the power play, and then carry on if you can.
Speaker 3: You need one of those players to back most of
Speaker 3: the overs if you can. Way for New Zealand, it
Speaker 3: was the first the first game though was they were
Speaker 3: again the thing I think New Zealand are finding hard
Speaker 3: with the batting and scoring runs is that they are
Speaker 3: being confronted by lots of spinners. And yes, in this
Speaker 3: particular game, this first T twenty, England got one well
Speaker 3: nearly two hundred, so they were kind of going at
Speaker 3: ten runs and over, and they then had to come
Speaker 3: out and confront four spinners. And that is fourteen overs
Speaker 3: were bowled by the English spinners and the Eccleston and Dean.
Speaker 3: The Dean the off spinner and eckleson left arm orthodox
Speaker 3: had one more inch so they could have bowled sixteen overs.
Speaker 3: I've spent and you know, with New Zealand batsmen accustomed
Speaker 3: to a lot of medium pace bowling, hitting through the line,
Speaker 3: you know, with pace on the ball. Suddenly when you're
Speaker 3: confronted by over after over of spin, you know where
Speaker 3: you've got to assess links. You've got to watch for
Speaker 3: a bit for turn you know, they get through their
Speaker 3: overs quickly. Spinners you need a wide range of shots
Speaker 3: because you can't just smash it down the ground. You've
Speaker 3: got people in the outfield out there. I think it's
Speaker 3: much harder to slog if you've got if your spinners
Speaker 3: are any good, so good footwork needed and it's just
Speaker 3: it's just shown the New Zealanders upper burn, hasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And they've they've struggled to hit boundaries, as you say,
Speaker 2: and those spinners are hard to head off. And we've
Speaker 2: mentioned in the past that Sophie Ecleston, I think she's
Speaker 2: an outstanding left armspin boller. She does the job. She's tall,
Speaker 2: she has a good control of line and change of
Speaker 2: pace and all those sorts of things that are very
Speaker 2: hard to get on top of when you're when you're
Speaker 2: in the sort of smashing grab mode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're obviously preparing too. I think the English side
Speaker 3: for Bangladesh, where the World Cup will be, they're expecting
Speaker 3: spin spin to play a big part throwing, even in
Speaker 3: quite green conditions. There's been a lot of rain in England,
Speaker 3: you know, green conditions they're throwing the spinners and to
Speaker 3: use them and get used to the whole thing about
Speaker 3: bowling a lot in the in the shorter format. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's difficult for New Zealand. They play. They went, of
Speaker 3: course today for their seemers, didn't They her guest ker
Speaker 3: Row Divine to Whoho and they brought Kasperick back too,
Speaker 3: which is an interesting one once.
Speaker 2: Yes, well she's a t twenty biler and she's probably
Speaker 2: our most effective and successful bowler, but tough on her.
Speaker 2: You know, one over went for eleven or twelve or
Speaker 2: something along those lines. You need a bit more than
Speaker 2: that just to sort of get eight that your turn
Speaker 2: lee and a chance in the remaining three games and
Speaker 2: where we'll review that series once it's completed. I think
Speaker 2: the most interesting thing this week, Jerry, though, is the
Speaker 2: New Zealand players who are playing overseas at the moment
Speaker 2: and the announcement of the contract offers. Well, we know
Speaker 2: that Williamson's not taking a contract, we know that Bolt's
Speaker 2: not having one, we know that Jimmy Neishon doesn't have one.
Speaker 2: But the twenty contracts offered and I think they, you know,
Speaker 2: it sounds really promising for the future. Rutch and Ravendra
Speaker 2: for the first time is getting one. Yes, surprisingly BBC
Speaker 2: is getting one for the first time. Will O'Rourke is
Speaker 2: getting one for the first time. Jacob Duffy. That's the
Speaker 2: trio that are going to replace Wagner's now the Bolt
Speaker 2: Henry et cetera. Henry of course has got one. But
Speaker 2: I think that they're good contract offers for those particular players.
Speaker 3: Yes, I think they're the most experienced group, I think,
Speaker 3: and the ones that we've seen playing test matches recently,
Speaker 3: so well done for them. That allows them now to
Speaker 3: settle into their work throughout the next season. Don't forget
Speaker 3: we've still got other people you mentioned. Some people are
Speaker 3: away playing different kinds of games and mainly of course
Speaker 3: the white ball cricket. But Nathan Smith we've talked about
Speaker 3: on this program a few times at Worcestershire. He's played
Speaker 3: the red ball season for them. You've got Tom Bruce
Speaker 3: the batsman of course, playing for Lancashire. You've got folks
Speaker 3: over there in the UK at the moment playing the
Speaker 3: Blast for Warwickshire. Quite a difficult assignment for him. As
Speaker 3: a bowl of war Edgeburston's are quite a flat track
Speaker 3: usually and usually for help spinners a bit more so those,
Speaker 3: I think. And you've got Will Young over there of
Speaker 3: course playing red bull cricket as well now the Blast.
Speaker 3: So there's a group of players, particularly the bowling, you
Speaker 3: know folks Nathan Smith and Ben Lister's over there as
Speaker 3: well too, is he playing for KNOS So that they're
Speaker 3: all good signs. I think that we are starting to
Speaker 3: get players playing in red ball and white ball cricket overseas.
Speaker 3: We are. Perhaps they're getting some good coaching over there.
Speaker 3: We don't know quite yet who they are, but the
Speaker 3: fact that they're having to play the moving ball, Tom
Speaker 3: Bruce and all those batsmen and Will Young will have
Speaker 3: to be doing that over there with the Duke's ball.
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, we've got players at the moment. Also,
Speaker 3: haven't we Over in Sri Lanka the Lanka Premier League. Seiford,
Speaker 3: Phillips and Chapman are over there. They're all doing well.
Speaker 3: Did Seiford get get a.
Speaker 2: Contract on No, he didn't, but he got one hundred
Speaker 2: and one of the games off he did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, he's got two hundred and eight off
Speaker 3: four matches. You've got at Colombo. You've got Glenn Phillips,
Speaker 3: he's had a seventy and a fifty and Dan Bullamark
Speaker 3: Chapman started off with a ninety. So they've done they've
Speaker 3: done that, you know pretty well over there and they're
Speaker 3: facing spin so that's that's a good thing to do
Speaker 3: over there. A lot of our gun spinners over there
Speaker 3: playing in that league, and shut Up Carns there and
Speaker 3: Shumsi's there, so you know they're playing against.
Speaker 2: Good players most definitely. And there's also floody players playing
Speaker 2: in the American League Bolt Ferguson, Conway, Satna, Alan Braceball,
Speaker 2: Ravendra Mitchell and Henry.
Speaker 3: So a lot of players scattered around the Northern Hemisphere,
Speaker 3: mainly wads there. But it's that time of the year
Speaker 3: for New Zealanders to make you know, if they've got
Speaker 3: the means to net a bit of cash, then they
Speaker 3: might remain playing for New Zealand.
Speaker 2: That's about twenty one players in various places plying their
Speaker 2: trade and earning their money and you wish them well,
Speaker 2: it's great for them. There's three others of course too
Speaker 2: that are quite interesting from my point of view. They
Speaker 2: have been in India and that's Foxcroft, Robinson and Mitch
Speaker 2: Hay who is an up and coming wicket keeper. And
Speaker 2: I remember saying previously on this program that Peter Fulton
Speaker 2: believes that he is probably the next in line for
Speaker 2: international honors. I suppose when Blundele's days are done. So
Speaker 2: they are doing the hard yards in development in Chennai
Speaker 2: in India and smart place to go if you want
Speaker 2: to learn a little bit about cricket.
Speaker 3: Yep batting particularly. I think Foxcroft he's more of a
Speaker 3: batting all round us and he bowls a bit of
Speaker 3: offspin as well, but he'll be interested in and also
Speaker 3: well Hay as well as a wicket keeper batsman nowadays.
Speaker 3: So I mean they basically are players and Robinson of
Speaker 3: course top order, but they will be learning things like
Speaker 3: sweeping the ball, particularly where the ball is not bouncing
Speaker 3: quite so much, where it's turning quite a lot, how
Speaker 3: to play that sweep, in the variety of sweeps that
Speaker 3: you can play, very important as an attacking unit and
Speaker 3: for manipulating the fields, getting a bowler off his line
Speaker 3: and link, so really important kind of skills to learn
Speaker 3: and learning from. I think quite an experienced coach as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at Chennai, Super King's at the moment. The interesting
Speaker 2: thing is, of course that they're all in these pretty
Speaker 2: over competition leagues. The players are going it is that
Speaker 2: a concern for the game here. Yes, you've got to
Speaker 2: take the opportunity to end money and they will be
Speaker 2: pretty lucrative contracts. I imagine all these players wrong, including
Speaker 2: those who are currently in England. Will Young is there,
Speaker 2: Tom Bruce as you mentioned previously, Ben Lister, Nathan Smith,
Speaker 2: Zach Fuchs, all those players are there. They've got to
Speaker 2: take those opportunities. But we've got to ensure also that
Speaker 2: they're not swept up in this T twenty, that we're
Speaker 2: still able to get the players for our domestic game
Speaker 2: and use them in our domestic game as well, aren't we.
Speaker 3: Yeah? I think that's just that's just keeping in touchesn't it, Wads.
Speaker 3: I would if I had anything to do with it,
Speaker 3: I'd be talking to those players quite a bit, just
Speaker 3: to you know, you'd try not to get lots of
Speaker 3: players because they suddenly enjoy it, or because they suddenly
Speaker 3: play well, really well, and other franchises then suddenly start
Speaker 3: looking at them, and then they start moving away from
Speaker 3: the New Zealand Test side in particular and playing their
Speaker 3: cricket and he implaying their trade here. So I look,
Speaker 3: we can't stop this. We can't stop it at all.
Speaker 3: This is a good time of the year for them
Speaker 3: to be playing over there. At least they're playing the game.
Speaker 3: People like Conway very good for him to be playing
Speaker 3: over there. They're playing against good players. There are lots
Speaker 3: of Australians over there. There are lots of South Aft
Speaker 3: Frickens in that MLC. You don't tell me if Pat
Speaker 3: Cummins is going for four years that they're not paying
Speaker 3: a good summary over there for his family, so you know,
Speaker 3: and they are. There are some good quality players, so
Speaker 3: they're not missing out on that. It's just a question
Speaker 3: we now want. We'd like them to come back if
Speaker 3: they can, and we'll probably lose one or two. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's just a fact of it. Nowadays players have got
Speaker 3: to make their own choices there. We want the rest
Speaker 3: to come back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The only players who are on the contract offers
Speaker 2: list who aren't away overseas at the moment were basically
Speaker 2: Duffy and O'Rourke and Seers are amongst that group. Ish
Speaker 2: Sody isn't overseas at the moment AJS Patel has got
Speaker 2: the contract back, I think that's brilliant as well, to
Speaker 2: add to the spinning resources that he's ill have got
Speaker 2: and the likes of Tom Latham, Kyle Jamison hopefully he's
Speaker 2: recovering from his injury issues, and Henry Nichols, I think
Speaker 2: about the only ones who aren't overseas. So you know,
Speaker 2: we've still got the basis of what is going to
Speaker 2: be our test side around the contract offers list. When
Speaker 2: it comes to the test matches we've got because there's
Speaker 2: a few coming up against Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, India and
Speaker 2: of course the home tests against England.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean everybody involved in the game will
Speaker 3: hope that our players and we don't have quite so
Speaker 3: many to select from, do we, but that they we
Speaker 3: don't go the way of the West Indies where suddenly
Speaker 3: players are selecting to go for the white ball game.
Speaker 3: If you look at that side, as we will at
Speaker 3: some stage that there is a complete separation now between
Speaker 3: the West Indies T twenty side and the West Indies
Speaker 3: Test match side. They are entirely different. Players one or
Speaker 3: two are doing both, but that's the maxim So players
Speaker 3: like Nicholas Kooran and Shay Hope Cha. I hope they
Speaker 3: just don't want to be playing Test cricket and that's
Speaker 3: their choice, I guess. So yeah, we hope that doesn't
Speaker 3: happen to New Zealand.
Speaker 2: Let's have a look at that format then, and that issue.
Speaker 2: With the T twenties completed in the West Indies, a
Speaker 2: quick change for both sides that are starting a Test
Speaker 2: series now England and the West Indies starts this week.
Speaker 2: The listeners in the Caribbean had greater options than we
Speaker 2: did for the World T twenty. They had radio commentary
Speaker 2: up to date with the proceedings. Radio is important in
Speaker 2: the Caribbean, Beca's not everybody can afford the television. A
Speaker 2: top commentator from Barbados, Andrew Mason and his team called
Speaker 2: the game. He joins us from Bridgetown where he's the
Speaker 2: voice of Caribbean cricket and Edward guess it all went
Speaker 2: pretty well for you on the A wives in that
Speaker 2: paddle the world?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, I'm very big on radio. It
Speaker 4: was very difficult to actually get the rights from the ICC,
Speaker 4: but thanks to Cricket West Indies were able to secure
Speaker 4: those rights and I'll report to you that we had
Speaker 4: tremendous success in that as many as thirteen stations across
Speaker 4: the Caribbean carried the cricket. It was an our backyard.
Speaker 4: I think they were recognizing importance of the coverage, as
Speaker 4: you know that radio is ready on the back foot
Speaker 4: now with so much television. But that's where it all
Speaker 4: started and people really appreciated the fact that we were
Speaker 4: able to do the coverage. What we did was that
Speaker 4: we did off tube and the games at Kenses. We
Speaker 4: went to Kens' novel and did the game. So in
Speaker 4: terms of the listenership, it was absolutely marvelous. When we
Speaker 4: looked at the figures, we were completely surprised by the figure.
Speaker 4: So in the final analysis, Radio in fact came out
Speaker 4: then a lot of marks and thanks to the Cricket
Speaker 4: West Sydney's inn ICC for the Lotus to actually carry
Speaker 4: those games, we.
Speaker 2: Might have to get you to New Zealand to do
Speaker 2: some negotiating. Forest in the success let you have there.
Speaker 2: But in terms of the overall tournament, Andrew, how successful
Speaker 2: was it? It seemed as I had had a slow start
Speaker 2: in terms of crowd numbers that it picked up as
Speaker 2: the tournament got some momentum.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think first of all, it was designed
Speaker 4: for India, where there were games a local time, you know,
Speaker 4: thirty in the evening and ten thirty in the morning,
Speaker 4: and of course ten thirty in the Caribbean is prime
Speaker 4: time in India, so that was a problem because I
Speaker 4: remember the very first game that the best Sydneys played
Speaker 4: against Papua New Guinea. That was actually a ten to
Speaker 4: thirty game. It was in Ghana, and there were very
Speaker 4: few people who actually came to watch the game. So
Speaker 4: the times were not good for us because that actually
Speaker 4: start a T twenty match at thirty, You're going to
Speaker 4: be home by one or two o'clock and you don't
Speaker 4: really want so the timing was not good at all.
Speaker 4: So that was a problem. But as you know, India
Speaker 4: their rule of the world. We actually had the finals
Speaker 4: on June to twenty ninth at ten thirty in the
Speaker 4: morning in the boiling sun. You know, that was not
Speaker 4: good at all and it was not a full host.
Speaker 4: People complained bitterly about it, but in the finant nasays
Speaker 4: it was a pretty good final.
Speaker 2: Hey, good gradsy particularly from iverseas tourists from England and
Speaker 2: such like. How about West Indian fans. Did I turn
Speaker 2: up and were the happy with the why the team perform?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, the West side East side is so
Speaker 4: unpredictable now that we thank God for, as they say,
Speaker 4: small mercies. We were in, you know, up against your
Speaker 4: side in New Zealand and against Afghanistan, and there were
Speaker 4: many people in the Caribbean who felt the West Seas
Speaker 4: were not going to get in to the Super Eights.
Speaker 3: They actually did.
Speaker 4: They actually defeat Afghanistan and New Zealand and they were
Speaker 4: able to make it and they had an excellent opportunity
Speaker 4: to go to the semi finals and really messed it
Speaker 4: up badly against the South Africa team. So I think
Speaker 4: when you look back at it, to Gotdanova, New Zealand
Speaker 4: and to Godanva Afghanistan was in itself an achievement for
Speaker 4: the best Indy side.
Speaker 2: Success for the Caribbean countries. Do you think that there
Speaker 2: was a success in the United States as well? Do
Speaker 2: you should have get that feeling?
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, the dungsighted that was they had
Speaker 4: dropping pitches and as you know, there were sixteen games
Speaker 4: scheduled there and he sees there any season and there
Speaker 4: were actually three games that were washed out, and it
Speaker 4: actually caused some serious problems as far as Pakistan were concerned,
Speaker 4: because one of the games that washed out meant that
Speaker 4: the USA were able to go through to the Super Eights,
Speaker 4: which would not have been in the cards. In the
Speaker 4: States they had good crows only of course when India.
Speaker 4: Of course, the Indian Pakistan game are a big, big game,
Speaker 4: but generally I would say the Crows were just there
Speaker 4: there both.
Speaker 3: So weather was a.
Speaker 4: Major concern and I know that in Florida we had
Speaker 4: some decent crowds, but overall I would say the Crows
Speaker 4: would have been just fair.
Speaker 2: Only the Caribbean West Indian shide have been very successful
Speaker 2: in the short form game. It's a big turnaround now
Speaker 2: to put a test team together and I'll see it's
Speaker 2: a test team of about seventeen or eighteen people judging
Speaker 2: by the numbers there. They're off to play England. Totally
Speaker 2: different challenge. How do you expect them to do with they.
Speaker 4: Well, we haven't won in England since nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 4: so it's a big challenge for the West Indies side.
Speaker 4: The last time we went to England, we won the
Speaker 4: first tests and in the end England came from behind
Speaker 4: and one to one, but when England came to the Caribbean,
Speaker 4: we did in fact defeat England. It is going to
Speaker 4: be a serious tests. They'll be inspired by the fact
Speaker 4: that when the last went to Australia they were able
Speaker 4: to draw that sea. But the site is in experience side.
Speaker 4: In fact, we may have a new opener in Louis McCaskey.
Speaker 4: These are names that are not really known to the
Speaker 4: cricket in the world. You've got Atenez, a Dominican who's
Speaker 4: trying to find his feet, so to speak. Mackenzie, a
Speaker 4: good little left hander from Jamaica, is also in there.
Speaker 4: Caravin Hodge has been wrong Caraban cricket for over ten
Speaker 4: years now. So it isn't it an experience side up
Speaker 4: against some top quality ball and Anderson is about to retire.
Speaker 4: The ball is going to swing in England, and I
Speaker 4: would imagine that the best Cindys could struggle. Now they've
Speaker 4: got one or two very good cricketers. Of course, Jason
Speaker 4: Holder after injury, is going to be an important cobb
Speaker 4: in the wheel. Shamar Joseph, the man who did so
Speaker 4: very well when we meant to Australia, he's in there
Speaker 4: and now Zari Joseph the vice captain. He could be
Speaker 4: a very important player for the West Cities. The problem, however,
Speaker 4: is that we've lost Chemar Roach with all of his experience.
Speaker 4: He had to be replaced by am Luis. So when
Speaker 4: you look at the Westiny's team on Pepper is not
Speaker 4: very strong, and to be honest with you, I expect
Speaker 4: England to do very well against the West Cindy's in
Speaker 4: that series.
Speaker 2: When I look at the team that played in the
Speaker 2: World T twenty, there's some very good players in that side,
Speaker 2: and it seems they've chosen the short form rather the longer.
Speaker 2: For my instant people like Boran and I'm also intrigued
Speaker 2: in the left arm spinner Akil Hussein, who to my
Speaker 2: mind looks to be a quality player. They don't seem
Speaker 2: to come into contention for the West Indies Test squad.
Speaker 4: Well, you're right, and you can certainly look at a
Speaker 4: share hawk who went to England and made two hundreds.
Speaker 4: And I thought that interested about Alara was saying he
Speaker 4: doesn't think he's interested. The gays are looking at the
Speaker 4: wait bar cricket. I mean it's pick money. In fact,
Speaker 4: when you look back at one of the best splayers
Speaker 4: we've had, Karen Pollard, never played a death natch for
Speaker 4: the West Cindysoran is not interested in playing our red
Speaker 4: ball cricket. Russell played just a couple. In fact, I
Speaker 4: remember play Lloyd speaking to Russell and saying, look, you
Speaker 4: are talented enough to play all formats. These guys are
Speaker 4: very much involved in white ball cricket and that's the
Speaker 4: problem that most of our top players do not want
Speaker 4: to play red ball cricket. As I said, poor Ran
Speaker 4: is not interested. You've got someone like a se Hope
Speaker 4: who really is good enough to play with red ball cricket.
Speaker 4: He's not interested at all, So that presents a big
Speaker 4: problem for the West Cindy's.
Speaker 2: One of the more consistent players. And I was quite
Speaker 2: impressed because I haven't thought of his game as being
Speaker 2: consistent enough. Was Alzari Joseph And he's been given a
Speaker 2: sort of leadership the role, hasn't he within the short
Speaker 2: form game anyway?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think it's a good move. Given a
Speaker 4: lot more responsibility. Remember he would have come on the
Speaker 4: scene when the West Cindy's on a name team Team
Speaker 4: one back in twenty sixteen. And ever since then has
Speaker 4: been one that we've relied on. It is true that
Speaker 4: when you look at his stats, maybe not as good
Speaker 4: as you would like, but I think he's improving all
Speaker 4: the time. He sharp Scotta gets to get his Lenster
Speaker 4: intense a little bit short. But the cricket West City's
Speaker 4: recognize the importance of given him that responsibility and he
Speaker 4: looks a much better player and I expect him to
Speaker 4: do well in England. He's got the pace, he does
Speaker 4: a bit with the ball, and you can expect a
Speaker 4: lot more from Alzari Joseph in the future.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you've got Maty who spends the ball and the
Speaker 2: other guy that I mentioned, the kil Hussaying who to
Speaker 2: my mind, I'm quite impressed with what he can do
Speaker 2: with the ball. Nice flight, good nice.
Speaker 4: But but again he doesn't want to play the red
Speaker 4: ball cricket at all. You know, these fellas have been asked.
Speaker 4: They prefer to play white ball cricket and that's sad
Speaker 4: Moti can play in all formats. I don't expect him
Speaker 4: to get in uh to the team because I think
Speaker 4: that the best seams are going to be very concerned.
Speaker 4: The first Test, Lauris starts on this coming Wednesday about
Speaker 4: the bat and they want to at least have about
Speaker 4: six batsmen and Jason Holder to be the Ronda, so
Speaker 4: MultiMate and miss out. But he's a good cricketer. Of course,
Speaker 4: Kevin Sinclair who made a half century against the Australian
Speaker 4: team when we last played, they could very well get
Speaker 4: into the site. So the contract of the West seem
Speaker 4: is going to be very very interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite interesting really because we've spoken about this before,
Speaker 2: haven't we, in terms of the players who aren't available
Speaker 2: for the West Indies, and you would have some quality
Speaker 2: players who would be there if they were prepared to play.
Speaker 2: But of course they've got the Major League circus in
Speaker 2: the United States which started this week, hasn't And I
Speaker 2: suppose some of those players go to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're very very right. In fact, one he
Speaker 4: two days ago, Roddy Sarwan, the former West Indy's batsman's
Speaker 4: making the point that with the United States know in cricket,
Speaker 4: is really going to really squeeze West in cricket, and
Speaker 4: it's through they've got the money. A lot of Indians
Speaker 4: lived there, of course, in Florida throat the United States,
Speaker 4: so you're going to find know that a lot of
Speaker 4: our players who would normally maybe play in the local
Speaker 4: competition in Barbados first class cricket, they're going to be
Speaker 4: in the United States. These fellows travel all around the
Speaker 4: world to play, So we're not going to have going
Speaker 4: forward a test team that is, I suppose is going
Speaker 4: to challenge the United States. They've come on board, they've
Speaker 4: got the money, and I think it's going to squeeze
Speaker 4: West in this cricket even further.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the same paralle that as of course you don't
Speaker 2: have got nine people there. I think at the American
Speaker 2: competition and our game is going the same way. Players
Speaker 2: seem to be opting out of national contracts here and
Speaker 2: they're taking the big money. You can understand it said
Speaker 2: that that's just the way the game goes. Somebody mentioned
Speaker 2: to me that the twenty competitions should all be about
Speaker 2: franchise cricket and not international, and I think there's a
Speaker 2: valid point in that that they can have the World
Speaker 2: Cup and World Tish Championship and have the T twitties.
Speaker 2: Is franchise cricket rather than a World Tish or World
Speaker 2: T twenty Championship seems a good idea.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I certainly agree with that. It's something that
Speaker 4: I know that cricket wet Cindy's they would love to
Speaker 4: see that. When you talk to a lot of the
Speaker 4: former cricketers, they certainly believe in that. You'll be talked
Speaker 4: to people like Andrew Robertsons, the Clave Lloyd. They're very
Speaker 4: very worried. Yes, a lot of money I made in
Speaker 4: T twenty cricket, but you know Michael Holden is not
Speaker 4: interested at all. In fact, I know think he's ever
Speaker 4: done a T twenty match. So while on one side
Speaker 4: of the coin they're making a lot of money, it's
Speaker 4: destroying the red ball cricket and that sis cricket. They've
Speaker 4: taken a beat in and I believe this is one
Speaker 4: of the reasons why we've not done well in international cricket,
Speaker 4: let's say, in the last five to ten years.
Speaker 2: A fair point there, my boy, Andrew, and thanks very
Speaker 2: much for joining us once again, Andrew Mason from Barbados
Speaker 2: and Jerius. What you're alluding to just previously the problems
Speaker 2: that Andrew Mason sees about where the West Indies game
Speaker 2: has gone in terms of their Test match cricket. Yes,
Speaker 2: their short form game has been reasonably effective. They've been competitive,
Speaker 2: but their Test game, and you will know that more
Speaker 2: than many people, has gone backwards from what they were.
Speaker 3: Yes, they're having to look, Brian now at their first
Speaker 3: class players to supply their Test match players. Totally, aren't they.
Speaker 3: I mean, you and I have We would look at
Speaker 3: that squad that they've just selected to play against England
Speaker 3: and three Test matches, we would recognize Craig Brathwaite's name,
Speaker 3: and Jason Holder's name, and perhaps Joshua De Silva the
Speaker 3: wicket keeper, and then some of the bowlers. But the
Speaker 3: other batsmen, I've got to confess, haven't. I haven't followed
Speaker 3: them at all. Alec Athanasikerk McKenzie, Mikyle Lewis and his
Speaker 3: older brother Jeremiah Lewis, Cavim Hodge, Kevin Sinclair, you know,
Speaker 3: tavim Imla. Look, I don't know those names really at all.
Speaker 3: And in fact, six of the top sort of seven
Speaker 3: batsmen that they've chosen on the tour have only played
Speaker 3: ten Tests. And so I think that together with the
Speaker 3: moving ball in England, with the Duke's ball swing and scene,
Speaker 3: that's going to be the difficulty for the West and
Speaker 3: is Ken ten. Their batsmen, they're young batsmen and most
Speaker 3: of them are in their twenties. There are Cavim Hodges
Speaker 3: thirty one. He's a bit more experience. But can their
Speaker 3: young players get enough runs to allow their bowlers, you know,
Speaker 3: something to work with, you know, something to aim at
Speaker 3: if they can. The trouble about it is having good bowlers.
Speaker 3: And they've got you know, Alzari Joseph. We saw him
Speaker 3: in the T twenties. He had a good T twenty series,
Speaker 3: didn't he. But they've also got of course, and he's
Speaker 3: got to be really the one who does it, I think.
Speaker 3: But they've got Shama Joseph, we know, but he's only
Speaker 3: played seven first class matches and two of those are Tests,
Speaker 3: so he hasn't played much. I don't think he can
Speaker 3: expect him to run through the English batting all the time.
Speaker 3: That Jaden Seals has been playing a bit, he's come
Speaker 3: into the side. He's been playing at Sussex and has
Speaker 3: been doing okay. Another they're all right armors and then
Speaker 3: of course you've got Jason Holder as well. More medium
Speaker 3: pace now I think than medium fast. But Paul of course,
Speaker 3: so he gets bound. So that's the area of their
Speaker 3: squad that they look stronger at. But of course if
Speaker 3: it's moving for them, then it's going to be moving
Speaker 3: for the English bilers as well, so their batting is
Speaker 3: going to be tested so much more.
Speaker 2: The one name I forgot to speak to Andrew about
Speaker 2: was the young Chanderpaul. He doesn't seem to be in
Speaker 2: their list at the moment, so be interesting to see
Speaker 2: what's happening to his game. Well that's where their future.
Speaker 2: No runs, yeah, that's probably right. Yeah, no runs.
Speaker 3: Got thirty thirty runs when he played in the Australian series,
Speaker 3: which was a bit unfortunate. Then he's had a bit
Speaker 3: of a lean time in the first class and over
Speaker 3: in the Western is But looking at those pictures, Wedds,
Speaker 3: I don't know what you thought, but criikee, you could
Speaker 3: understand a lean time for an opener, couldn't you? And
Speaker 3: I would have thought you might have stuck with him.
Speaker 3: They're probably going to open with the chap who hasn't
Speaker 3: played a tests so far, Mikayl Lewis, who got a
Speaker 3: few run six hundred and eighty runs at forty eight,
Speaker 3: but he's twenty three, hasn't played at all it's an
Speaker 3: interesting selection. The other one was Keemar Roach because he's
Speaker 3: he's been over playing, you know, at Surrey for about
Speaker 3: five or six seasons now at least, and he knows
Speaker 3: English conditions and at his worst he can hold a
Speaker 3: holding job for his team. But if it moves as well,
Speaker 3: then he's very much in the game. So they won't
Speaker 3: have him with them at all. I think he's got
Speaker 3: a bit of an injury as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gone home from his Surrey contract and he
Speaker 2: would be important in terms of experience within that West
Speaker 2: Indian Yeah, what's England going to look like without Broad
Speaker 2: and Anderson? Jimmy Anderson's been named in the Test eleven four,
Speaker 2: the first Test, but there's no Broad of course, he
Speaker 2: retired last season. But there is Gus Atkinson. He is
Speaker 2: the new paceman. They've got Chris Wokes experience and Bash.
Speaker 2: There's an element of, you know, lack of experience in
Speaker 2: some of their bowling to some extent, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, it's a little bit like you know, the
Speaker 3: Bolt Saudi situation, isn't it. As soon as they go
Speaker 3: there is a period of transition and you've got to
Speaker 3: make decent selections and hope that things go well. Yeah
Speaker 3: Atkinson Surrey again a slightly quicker bowler. Ollie Robinson no
Speaker 3: place for him, he's out now. And Chris Wokes you mentioned,
Speaker 3: well he's good in England, isn't he. He's also a
Speaker 3: very handy number eight. He's got a test hundred at
Speaker 3: Lord's and Jimmy Anderson, well, of course it'll you know,
Speaker 3: Lords will be a wash with tears. They're very emotional.
Speaker 3: They're very emotional over there, but they're going to go
Speaker 3: in with three and one. I would have sought Wokes,
Speaker 3: Atkinson and Jimmy Anderson and the one being showed Basha
Speaker 3: the tall right arm off spinner gets a bit of bounce, yeah,
Speaker 3: and Ben Stokes to come in as well. That's right,
Speaker 3: So that will be their bowling attack, I would think.
Speaker 3: And you've got Jamie Smith taking the gloves from folks,
Speaker 3: which you and I discussed last week. We thought that
Speaker 3: was a bit a bit tough, mainly mainly because I
Speaker 3: think you and I feel a keeper is so important
Speaker 3: and you know, if you're a bowler, you want your
Speaker 3: you want your mix to be held, don't you, And
Speaker 3: your first slip can go a bit wider because he said, no, no,
Speaker 3: I can cover that. I've got that, And so you
Speaker 3: cover more area and perhaps your third slip takes a
Speaker 3: catch because your first you know, your first is a
Speaker 3: bit wider, so you cover more territory because the keeper can.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Jimmy Anderson's last test. Look, I longevity is
Speaker 3: the thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2: On?
Speaker 3: It's really forty one? Yeah, yeah, staying fit. He hasn't
Speaker 3: been an out and out genuine fast bowler for a
Speaker 3: long time now. He's a seaman swing bowler, was quick
Speaker 3: early on. But it's just that control, isn't it. And
Speaker 3: that's what Hadley had headles just they both have that
Speaker 3: absolute precision of length. Control of length. It's always awkward.
Speaker 3: Shall I go forward? Shall I go back? Then it
Speaker 3: moves from where it pictures. So yeah, a terrific player.
Speaker 3: I wonder whether people will look at him and say, look,
Speaker 3: maybe I'll play a but longer. Well, Soudi does. I'm
Speaker 3: sure he keeps on. He keeps on quoting him looking
Speaker 3: old Jimmy over there. So so, but it's a little
Speaker 3: bit like us in New Zealand too, isn't it? With
Speaker 3: no bolt now and Saudi dropping a wee bit and
Speaker 3: pace and wickets. You know, we are going to have
Speaker 3: to confront this as well, and that's why you've brought
Speaker 3: up the contracts. You know, we recognize it and we've
Speaker 3: got to move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll be able to assess that on our
Speaker 2: program next week because that Test match is right on
Speaker 2: the doorstep now and ready to play, and we'll be
Speaker 2: watching very closely, particularly the England players because I said
Speaker 2: they're going to be out here playing very shortly. So
Speaker 2: hopefully jac will get a chance to watch this series
Speaker 2: on television. I've been searching to find a television outlet
Speaker 2: that's going to be playing it, and they normally do,
Speaker 2: but I can't find. I don't know whether you know
Speaker 2: any more about it than me.
Speaker 3: No, I always ring you watch, don't I?
Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll have to do some.
Speaker 3: I hope it's on TV and Z Plus. Actually, I've
Speaker 3: been interested in the football. I've been interested watching football
Speaker 3: Stain one this morning against France, which I was quite
Speaker 3: pleased about, and so that that's good. They're through to
Speaker 3: the finals, which I like. And of course I can
Speaker 3: see Lulu, our Lulu from Tian now. Uh she she
Speaker 3: didn't get through, but she my word, what a good
Speaker 3: run for her.
Speaker 2: Oh thank god for public broadcasting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: I love it. I'll go. Yeah, I'll see if we
Speaker 2: can get the Test cricket for you. Never mind, join
Speaker 2: us next week. We'll be able to discuss from any
Speaker 2: viewpoint what has happened in the first Test between the
Speaker 2: West Indies and England. Stunts at Lord's look forward to
Speaker 2: Thanks to you, kid, it is what's the waderful some do?
Speaker 1: For more from news Talks at b Listen live on
Speaker 1: air or online, and keep our shows with you wherever
Speaker 1: you go with our podcasts on iHeartRadio.