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Speaker 2: Welcome to Podcasts two hundred and sixty four on seven
Speaker 2: November twenty twenty four. Now, at the conclusion of podcast
Speaker 2: two sixty three, well, at the conclusion of the interview
Speaker 2: with Patrick Basham, I made a suggestion that we do
Speaker 2: a follow up the morning after, which was of course
Speaker 2: today if it was warranted. Well it was warranted and
Speaker 2: in multiples, so we got together around midnight New Zealand
Speaker 2: time last night. Patrick has been sensational over this election.
Speaker 2: He is a wonderful man and his commentary for those
Speaker 2: interested in this amazing election, his commentary is insightful. Have
Speaker 2: a listen, Actually hold the horses, because I have just
Speaker 2: received an email from Patrick. I mean literally our final
Speaker 2: Democracy Institute Daily Express US poll Trump up three fifty
Speaker 2: percent to forty seven percent. Our Democracy Institute Daily Express
Speaker 2: US Exit poll Trump up four fifty one to forty
Speaker 2: seven percent. Trump's popular vote win up four fifty one
Speaker 2: percent to forty seven in Princess in twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 2: we pledged to do better with our final poll. Congratulations
Speaker 2: to them. It was headed by the way most accurate
Speaker 2: US presidential election polster. Congratulations and well done. Now let's
Speaker 2: have a listen.
Speaker 3: Indeed, latent, they're great to be back with you in
Speaker 3: your audience again, it seems but for me yesterday, I
Speaker 3: guess it was technically, but when the night goes well
Speaker 3: personally and professionally, it doesn't seem so long or so hard.
Speaker 3: But as you say, one of the more significant aspects
Speaker 3: of Trump's victory is that it wasn't his victory alone.
Speaker 3: That is, his party has regained control of the Senate,
Speaker 3: held onto control of the House of Representatives. And this
Speaker 3: is you know, this is a tremendous significance because Trump
Speaker 3: is apparently going to attack his second term in a
Speaker 3: more uncompromising and more focused and disciplined way in policy
Speaker 3: terms and personnel terms, etc. And to do that, he
Speaker 3: can have all of that planning and all of that help, etcetera.
Speaker 3: But he's if he had been facing come January twenty five,
Speaker 3: a hostile Democratic run Senate and or House, then his
Speaker 3: chances of doing things that are truly consequential that might
Speaker 3: outlive his own presidency let alone himself personally, would have
Speaker 3: been heavily reduced. So there's far more opportunity now potential
Speaker 3: if one favors Trump's program or parts of it, that
Speaker 3: they may actually come to life, let alone to fruit
Speaker 3: bear fruit. Of course, one of the tests will one
Speaker 3: of the tests that will be one of the experiments
Speaker 3: during this process will be to determine to what extent
Speaker 3: Trump has remade the Republican Party in his own image.
Speaker 3: By that, I mean his first term. He yes, he
Speaker 3: fought the Democrats, He fought many fellow Republicans on Capitol
Speaker 3: Hill in Congress as well. So how many of that
Speaker 3: new Senate majority are truly on site within how many
Speaker 3: in the House majority with him? You'll find out pretty.
Speaker 2: Quickly, I think, indeed, except that I get the impression
Speaker 2: that there won't be too much opposition, I think it's
Speaker 2: even crossed my mind Patrick that in the victory that
Speaker 2: he has driven, there could be a little danger, a
Speaker 2: little danger, and I mean that he might upset some
Speaker 2: people in the party because he is he assumes quite
Speaker 2: rightly that he's the man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he is in a it's interesting for
Speaker 3: a second term president. You know, usually it's some there
Speaker 3: were immediately inducts in terms of the electoral calendar, and
Speaker 3: often much of the energy and momentum has gone despite
Speaker 3: the second victory. But Trump, it seems he's going to
Speaker 3: the nature of his comeback, the fact that he has
Speaker 3: a popular vote majority, can claim a legitimate democratic mandate, etc.
Speaker 3: This whole country has moved in his direction. Whether he
Speaker 3: won a state or not, every state has moved in
Speaker 3: his direction. He is a more formidable president. I think
Speaker 3: that's one of the great ironesy. A more formidable president
Speaker 3: in January of twenty twenty five than he was in
Speaker 3: January of twenty seventeen. And so there will be a
Speaker 3: honeymoon period. For sure. Everyone on his side of the
Speaker 3: aisle will say nice things about him, and I think
Speaker 3: that far more are genuinely onside, and far more will
Speaker 3: be wanting to go along to get along. But there
Speaker 3: will be items, but in particularly on foreign policy, where
Speaker 3: some of the more senior not necessarily majority representing, but
Speaker 3: senior foreign policy establishment types on the Republican side are
Speaker 3: going to try to from their point of view, talk
Speaker 3: some sense into him over things like Ukraine and one
Speaker 3: or two areas of contention around the world. But you know,
Speaker 3: obviously ought to be decided, but he's never been in
Speaker 3: you know, he begins his second term with an enormous
Speaker 3: amount of capital. And I remember when George W. Bush
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four, twenty years ago, sort of tonight, virtually,
Speaker 3: when he won what for some was a surprising second mandate,
Speaker 3: he said, you know, I've earned all this political capital,
Speaker 3: and I'm now I'm going to spend it. Whether we
Speaker 3: spend it wisely or not. You know, that's for the historians,
Speaker 3: but it's a recognition that, you know, when you are
Speaker 3: electorally victorious, you should do something with that. After all,
Speaker 3: that wasn't at the point. I mean, Barack Obama famously said,
Speaker 3: you know, elections have consequences, yes, and this won't be
Speaker 3: any exception to that. In fact, probably quite the opposite.
Speaker 2: Well, he appears to have won the popular vote. I
Speaker 2: was asked today, actually, what is the popular vote? And
Speaker 2: I answered, I answered it, of course, but I would
Speaker 2: like your answer.
Speaker 3: Sure. Well, of course, technically it doesn't matter in American
Speaker 3: in presidential American presidential politics, it is merely something that's
Speaker 3: nice to win but doesn't dictate whether or not you
Speaker 3: actually win the election. But you know, in practical political terms,
Speaker 3: it usually goes along with your electoral college win. And
Speaker 3: most importantly, it's a way of keeping the opposition at
Speaker 3: bay a little because if you're Trump in his first
Speaker 3: term or George W. Bush in his first term, in
Speaker 3: both cases not having won the popular vote rightly or wrongly,
Speaker 3: the opposition always go back to it, always used that
Speaker 3: as a stick to beat you with, always that you're not,
Speaker 3: you know, the people's choice. It's, you know, the peculiarities
Speaker 3: of the system have produced you as the victor. Uh,
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's whoever, whoever wins the popular vote,
Speaker 3: it's going to say that if they don't win the
Speaker 3: electoral college, even though you know, they all know the
Speaker 3: rules when they start playing the match. So it's it's
Speaker 3: an unusual thing about the American system, but it's by design.
Speaker 3: It's how the folks who wrote the Constitution wanted it
Speaker 3: to be, and so far it's largely served the country
Speaker 3: fairly well.
Speaker 2: In fact, I heard quite a bit of talk today
Speaker 2: on various channels with regard to this is the way
Speaker 2: the system was designed to work, and it's worked. It's
Speaker 2: worked either well through perfectly.
Speaker 3: What would you say, Yeah, I think it has worked
Speaker 3: pretty well because one of thee something that from a
Speaker 3: distance can be hard to appreciate is that America is
Speaker 3: so vast in every sense, not just geographically, and that
Speaker 3: the authors of the Constitution they recognized that their new
Speaker 3: country was literally a United States. It's a collection of
Speaker 3: otherwise independent countries who did and could sort of operate
Speaker 3: self sufficiently with their own own sovereignty. And therefore the
Speaker 3: only way to make it anybody to grow them together
Speaker 3: in an effective fashion was to allow mean sure that
Speaker 3: all of them had some power, had some say, so
Speaker 3: aside from all of the delegation of a lot of
Speaker 3: powers to the lower level of states and further down
Speaker 3: the chain, it meant that when choosing a president, there
Speaker 3: would be disproportionate influence given to the agricultural states, the
Speaker 3: smaller population, and states, et cetera, to ensure that basically
Speaker 3: the minority majority didn't gang up on the minority and
Speaker 3: that everyone everyone had had to say, which would help
Speaker 3: ensure that no one felt the need to, you know,
Speaker 3: to break away. So it's just one of those one
Speaker 3: of those interesting elements of the American system that we
Speaker 3: can it's very trendy, has been for some time to
Speaker 3: look at it and say, well, you know, a bunch
Speaker 3: of old white guys other they were particularly old, but
Speaker 3: you know, old, old racist white guys came up with
Speaker 3: this elitist system designed to keep you know, democracy down,
Speaker 3: but give it this sort of big leaf mirage effect
Speaker 3: that we're actually electing a president in a democratic fashion.
Speaker 3: But like most trendy progress so called progressive critiques of
Speaker 3: old school approaches and processes and instruments, they generally, upon
Speaker 3: close inspection closer in spectrum, they generally fall flat because
Speaker 3: they don't understand the history behind them, and they also
Speaker 3: don't understand the historical evolution and how in most cases,
Speaker 3: and I think the electoral College is a good example.
Speaker 3: They've proved to have been worthwhile, and you know, it's
Speaker 3: you know, apologies to Churchill, or the least worst system available.
Speaker 2: It was during an at break on Fox that I
Speaker 2: turned to CNN and there were a few of us watching,
Speaker 2: and I did it just in time to hear somebody
Speaker 2: make comment on the on the system and talk about
Speaker 2: talk about the structure the structure of the Constitution and
Speaker 2: how it needs needs to change, and they must do it.
Speaker 2: They must do it as quickly as possible. And I thought,
Speaker 2: I thought you were a crook, uh, And then I
Speaker 2: thought you're stupid, and then after that I thought I
Speaker 2: thought you were an idiot. And it was It was
Speaker 2: frustrating for me because I because I don't have a
Speaker 2: program on the radio tomorrow and the day after and
Speaker 2: the day after that, and at times like this, I
Speaker 2: feel like I want one. I want it back again,
Speaker 2: because what he was criticizing is what holds the American
Speaker 2: system together, and anybody with half a brain is aware
Speaker 2: of that. He patently is short in that department.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I mean what it's really starred. You know
Speaker 3: when al Gore lost to Bush but won the popular
Speaker 3: vote narrowly, but you know, one then it really picked
Speaker 3: up steam when Hillary was quote unquote denied the presidency
Speaker 3: are despite winning by a couple of points. And these days,
Speaker 3: of course, they only want the electoral college gone because
Speaker 3: they figure they will they with enough enough of legal
Speaker 3: immigrants turned into US citizens overnight, you know, they'll always
Speaker 3: have more votes on the other side. And they don't
Speaker 3: like the they don't like a lot of Supreme Court decisions,
Speaker 3: so they want to add justices to the court to
Speaker 3: ensure they always have a majority. They want to end
Speaker 3: the filibuster and the Senate so they can run through
Speaker 3: anything they want they want to get, you know, all
Speaker 3: these sorts of things they want to change, you know,
Speaker 3: the number of senators or required to override a presidential veto,
Speaker 3: all these things that you know have been around forever
Speaker 3: for good reason, but they view as some of them
Speaker 3: view them as not so charming relics of a antiquated past,
Speaker 3: and others just view them as cold blooded terms. Is
Speaker 3: just hindrances to ensuring that when they have the reins
Speaker 3: of power, they can basically do what the heck they
Speaker 3: like with that power. And assuming of course they'll they'll
Speaker 3: never be on the other side, which is the classic
Speaker 3: mistake of authoritarian types. You know, throughout history they always
Speaker 3: think that they'll be in charge.
Speaker 2: Did you see perhaps speech?
Speaker 3: I caught little bits of it. I was I was
Speaker 3: in transit.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately much of it, Okay, I thought it was. I
Speaker 2: thought it was very good. I wonder whether you think
Speaker 2: that there might be a swing, a big swing, even
Speaker 2: in support of Trump, having having won the election, A
Speaker 2: support of Trump in setting out to do what he
Speaker 2: intends to greater, greater than greater than might be expected.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's certainly possible. It might even be probable.
Speaker 3: He is so he has become so humanized. Clearly, you know,
Speaker 3: it's incontroversible that a majority of voters support him. You
Speaker 3: presume they support his program. And although it's mocked by
Speaker 3: his opponents, he has genuinely built a coalition broader than
Speaker 3: the Republican Party. And whether you think of it it's
Speaker 3: a coalition of convenience or of principle, the fact is
Speaker 3: it is a political coalition that extends, you know, to
Speaker 3: many former Democrats and many independents. And they don't agree
Speaker 3: on everything, but they agree on a lot of first principles,
Speaker 3: and more to the point, they agree on what some
Speaker 3: of the fundamental crises are in American society and politics
Speaker 3: and have broad agreement on how to address them, and
Speaker 3: the sort of worry about the other smaller stuff later on.
Speaker 3: And I think that while obviously that appeals to arguably
Speaker 3: and narrow small majority of Americans right now, if the
Speaker 3: likes of Kennedy and Musk and gathered and JD. Varnce
Speaker 3: and obviously Trump and Ron Paul. They put their shoulders
Speaker 3: to the wheel and actually try to do as Trump
Speaker 3: did in his first term, try to actually do what
Speaker 3: they promised to do. And as some of us believe,
Speaker 3: if they do that, they probably will have some fairly
Speaker 3: good result. Then the year eighteen months, two years from now,
Speaker 3: Trump may be maybe viewed as somebody, who, oh, wow,
Speaker 3: isn't it too bad he can't run again? You know,
Speaker 3: you know, you have a poppy a second term president
Speaker 3: like Ronald Reagan, and people, oh, jeez, what this term
Speaker 3: limit thing happened? A shame. He's such a great president.
Speaker 3: And that would be one of the great ironies, wouldn't
Speaker 3: it if Trump went from the the prior president to
Speaker 3: the one that really had a legacy of not just accomplishment,
Speaker 3: but a certain amount of goodwill amongst the the general public.
Speaker 2: What is your what are you what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on the court cases in New York in particular, that
Speaker 2: are still confronting the sentencing, for instance, of the of
Speaker 2: the of the of the of the of the Court
Speaker 2: of the Judge. And I'm trying to think of a
Speaker 2: lion that Ralph Harris, the Australian singer, Yeah, put into
Speaker 2: put into a song about the Court of and I
Speaker 2: can't think what it was, but it was an idiot.
Speaker 2: So I think we've I think we've got a parallel
Speaker 2: what what what do you think this might what a
Speaker 2: think might this have?
Speaker 3: Well, it's this victory guarantees that all this stuff is
Speaker 3: going to go away. It's going to be the end
Speaker 3: of it. I mean, you know, he was on a
Speaker 3: he was on an upward trajectory legally because you know,
Speaker 3: he was winning cases within dismissed, he was winning appeals,
Speaker 3: and so they there was a lot of light at
Speaker 3: the end of the tunnel. But he wasn't out of
Speaker 3: jeopardy yet. And although the you know, the more dangerous
Speaker 3: cases were gone or going. But as this whole thing
Speaker 3: has been politically driven, this decision, fairly recent decision to
Speaker 3: postpone his sentencing till after the election was clearly very political.
Speaker 3: I mean, an extremely political judge under the thumb of
Speaker 3: extremely political prosecutors were deciding that well, Trump could win,
Speaker 3: so why don't we wait till we find out whether
Speaker 3: he's won to decide whether he really needs to go
Speaker 3: to prison? And you know, these are cowardly, unprincipled types,
Speaker 3: and so they're acting in that way. And I'm sure
Speaker 3: they will have an epiphany sometime between now and January
Speaker 3: nineteenth and decide that for the greater good, they can
Speaker 3: see the other side of this, and that, you know,
Speaker 3: I think that's the way. I think it will sort
Speaker 3: of peter out right, and none of these people are
Speaker 3: ever going to say they're sorry or wrong, but he has.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a shame that you have to be
Speaker 3: elected president to avoid bankruptcy in prison. But you know,
Speaker 3: you know, Elon must say that. I think I was
Speaker 3: at the taper caston on one of the podcasts you
Speaker 3: know that Trump doesn't win, the question is how long
Speaker 3: will I go to prison for? And it's a funny line,
Speaker 3: but it's also cuts to the very core of what
Speaker 3: Trump has been dealing with on a personal level these
Speaker 3: last couple of years. This is not you know, this
Speaker 3: is not your father's or your grandfather of America at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, spending a little time thinking while you were talking,
Speaker 2: but listening all the same. The Court of King Correctus
Speaker 2: was the name of the song, and it was a
Speaker 2: very successful one. Now on the other side of the
Speaker 2: ledger on Carmela's team, who was responsible for this scenario?
Speaker 2: Who's to blame? Who can be held accountable?
Speaker 3: Well, in Washington, d C. So we don't hold people accountable.
Speaker 3: We just we just they just fail upwards. But it's
Speaker 3: I think it's a combination. I mean, some of the
Speaker 3: blame is her own, but she's so in cape and
Speaker 3: limited you can't say it's mostly her fault. It's more
Speaker 3: the fault of those who put her in this position,
Speaker 3: and I mean her, the people that she's had on
Speaker 3: her campaign, the people who survived working for her, and
Speaker 3: the Vice President's office, et cetera. You know, these are
Speaker 3: folks who are fully paid up members of the woke
Speaker 3: DEI identity politics club. And they immediately either concluded or
Speaker 3: already thought had thought for some time that she ever
Speaker 3: ran the president again. That you you know, you just
Speaker 3: play the identity card, and that is how you collect
Speaker 3: votes from the you know, the requisite groups, the women,
Speaker 3: the people of color, this that and the other, and
Speaker 3: you you you know you and when you pander to
Speaker 3: the you know, the gay groups and the lesbian groups
Speaker 3: and the Chinese grenda and all the rest of it,
Speaker 3: and you you know, you just you do the arithmetic
Speaker 3: and you add up that group and that group and
Speaker 3: that group. You end up with a majority, and you
Speaker 3: noly ignore, but you actually denigrate the other groups because
Speaker 3: obviously woke politics succeeds in theory by you know, raising
Speaker 3: your side up by knocking the other side down. And
Speaker 3: so everything from their advertising to their what passed the
Speaker 3: policy positions, Etcaster the way that the rallies were choreographed.
Speaker 3: You know that everything was that and it stayed that
Speaker 3: way the whole time because fortunately for Trump, these folks
Speaker 3: don't tend to learn from their mistakes, right, and then
Speaker 3: were there were a couple of moments when Obama Biden
Speaker 3: people weren't allowed anywhere near and Obama people tried to
Speaker 3: sort of grab the reins as they saw the thing going,
Speaker 3: you know, going off the cliff, but to little avail.
Speaker 3: So it's you know, it's it's a lot of you know,
Speaker 3: if you're to have the Democrats, we're going to have
Speaker 3: a firing squad and put put down all the people responsible.
Speaker 3: You're basically talking about a couple of dozen twenty thirty
Speaker 3: somethings who've spent their lives to this extent. You know,
Speaker 3: in graduate school and in political jobs, and most are
Speaker 3: mostly themselves in the positions they are because they have
Speaker 3: the right skin color, the right gender if I can
Speaker 3: use that word, in democratic circles, and you know, all
Speaker 3: the right sexual orientation, etc. So it's it's just everyone
Speaker 3: likes to see people, you know, take a beating after
Speaker 3: a failure. However, in this case you might say it's
Speaker 3: more deserved than is often the case.
Speaker 1: Latens with.
Speaker 2: Look on the international scene, what do you think, what
Speaker 2: do you think the world is thinking right now? And
Speaker 2: when I say the world, I mean I mean the
Speaker 2: parts of the world would matter.
Speaker 3: Ah, okay, I think it's it's it's mixed, not because
Speaker 3: most of them are ambivalent, because where you stand on
Speaker 3: Trump from a foreign perspective depends very much on where
Speaker 3: you fit, you know, So you have well, I maybe
Speaker 3: I'm about to contradict myself, not for the first time.
Speaker 3: Like the Chinese, for example, they're very concerned about would
Speaker 3: be tariffs, you know, Trump returning to getting tough on
Speaker 3: on intellectual property protection, all these sorts of things, Concerned
Speaker 3: that Trump is going to push back over Taiwan and
Speaker 3: all of this. However, at the same time, the Chinese,
Speaker 3: I think actually rather like dealing with Trump the way
Speaker 3: that they back in the day, like dealing with Reagan
Speaker 3: rather than Carter say, they like they understand the Chinese
Speaker 3: and the Russians and others. They understand and strong leaders,
Speaker 3: you know, they can they can not necessarily anticipate their moves,
Speaker 3: but they understand then their headspace, their perspective, whereas these
Speaker 3: sort of wishy washy liberal types, you know, preaching humanitarianism
Speaker 3: and without much of a political spine, they don't really
Speaker 3: know what to do with them. They're so you know,
Speaker 3: so literally and figuratively foreign to them. So I think
Speaker 3: on a on a person to person level, they the
Speaker 3: Chinese will be quite happy that Trump's back. They know
Speaker 3: what they're dealing with. But in terms of policy outcomes,
Speaker 3: there's going to be some anxiety there, I mean Putin
Speaker 3: and Russia. I'm sure he may have publicly endorsed Kamala Harris,
Speaker 3: which I think is quite clever on his part. I
Speaker 3: think he'll be very pleased, not because I think, as
Speaker 3: the Democrats do, that Trump wishes to do his bidding,
Speaker 3: but because Putin views Trump I think as as an
Speaker 3: American version of himself, that is the patriot, nationalistic, self
Speaker 3: interested America first to match Putin's Russia first again, someone
Speaker 3: who he's not going to fall in love with, but
Speaker 3: someone who he thinks he can under he understands, who
Speaker 3: he can do business with. You know, they can reach
Speaker 3: mutual agreements and accommodations. You know. Then you you know,
Speaker 3: you have your your Western Europeans, You're particularly your EU,
Speaker 3: who of course are not going to be happy. But
Speaker 3: that's rather wonderful because they'll be unhappy for lots of
Speaker 3: good reasons. You know. Trump is obviously everything that they
Speaker 3: dislike culturally, politically, ideologically, and you know, he just he
Speaker 3: calls them out, he shows them up. You have to
Speaker 3: add the UK to that now now that there they
Speaker 3: officially have a woke globalist government is rather than one
Speaker 3: just in in practice, the likes of Justin Trude in
Speaker 3: Canada for whatever months he has left in power. You know,
Speaker 3: he's this is this is a nightmare for him. Uh.
Speaker 3: And you know, when I think it isn't Trump, who
Speaker 3: who says that Fidel Castro's Justin Trudeau's real father? And uh,
Speaker 3: which is a rather delicious way of kicking off a conversation.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I think a lot of the Asian
Speaker 3: important Asian countries, you know, in addition to China, are
Speaker 3: going to have that mix of economic trade repredation. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, I think they know what they're
Speaker 3: dealing with. And then of course you get the Middle
Speaker 3: I say, the Middle East and many African countries, the
Speaker 3: ones that are going to be most pleased outside of
Speaker 3: probably Eastern Europe, because they in both cases, particularly in
Speaker 3: the Middle East, the Arab State and obviously Israel thought
Speaker 3: they had a very productive relationship and which it had
Speaker 3: continued just having got back you know, from Saudi Arabia
Speaker 3: and Qatar. I mean, it's incredible actually how widespread the
Speaker 3: support for Trump's election was. You know, to a person,
Speaker 3: they couldn't believe that America would even consider not re
Speaker 3: electing him. And then many many of the more important
Speaker 3: African in Nigeria's, in South Africa and South Africa's et cetera.
Speaker 3: You know, they they there's two things about Trump that
Speaker 3: stand out to them. One is the man himself. That is,
Speaker 3: they they culturally are drawn to a strong figure of
Speaker 3: which you know, for good or for ill he represents.
Speaker 3: And then also they recognize more openly than and with
Speaker 3: more experience than most other countries and cultures what a
Speaker 3: corrupt political state looks and acts like. And so, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean my experience. You're talking with your average African
Speaker 3: about you know, the US, each state, and they just
Speaker 3: not away because they recognize that and his critique of
Speaker 3: it rings true to them because that's what many cases
Speaker 3: they are have been, have dealt with, or are dealing with.
Speaker 3: And uh, you know, so they don't they don't see
Speaker 3: him as paranoid or conspiratorial. They just see him as
Speaker 3: a realist. And so yeah, it's I mean in America
Speaker 3: and I think probably in Canada, and I dare to
Speaker 3: say maybe in New Zealand and Australia as well. The
Speaker 3: sort of working assumption is that the when he was president,
Speaker 3: the rest of the world was very unhappy, was very unhappy,
Speaker 3: and that they would be again. And I think it's
Speaker 3: more accurate to say that Western Europe was and would be,
Speaker 3: and everywhere else it's a mixed, much more shade of grain.
Speaker 3: In some cases you know, actually quite work, quite happy,
Speaker 3: would be quite happy because.
Speaker 2: That speaking speaking of the rest of the world and
Speaker 2: the the other countries that are making shall we say,
Speaker 2: some headway of their own, and I'm talking maybe the bricks,
Speaker 2: and I'm talking other other countries, especially in the Middle East,
Speaker 2: who are carving out a future for themselves beyond what anybody,
Speaker 2: I think expected. What sort of influence would would they
Speaker 2: get out of this Trump being returned to the to
Speaker 2: the White House and the effects that he might have
Speaker 2: on them. Would they be nervous or would they be
Speaker 2: anticipatory in a much more common, a much more positive sense.
Speaker 3: I think the latter. I think that in a sort
Speaker 3: of political, diplomatic, war and peace sense, they viewed Trump
Speaker 3: as someone based on his record and his sort of pledges,
Speaker 3: somet who thinks first about how do we stop people
Speaker 3: from fighting right or prevent them from fighting in the
Speaker 3: first place, rather than how many countries can I invade?
Speaker 3: Or which which wars can I keep going? Which is
Speaker 3: the stereotype caricature, often with a lot of substance behind it,
Speaker 3: of American foreign policies, whether it's Democrat or Republican led.
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, the the Arab States, for example,
Speaker 3: think that whatever Trump says in support of Israel, his
Speaker 3: priority will be ending conflict and preventing it from kicking off.
Speaker 3: You know, so there's there's that part of it. I
Speaker 3: think the other part of it is, you know, more
Speaker 3: on the economic side, where Trump's view of economic policy
Speaker 3: through a businessman's eyes and brain and his sense of
Speaker 3: trade deals being you know, corporate deals. You know, he's
Speaker 3: the CEO of America and he's going to make a
Speaker 3: good deal. I think they view them as someone who
Speaker 3: is welcoming the opening up of many of the bricks countries,
Speaker 3: particularly in the Arab world global self, where he's going
Speaker 3: to be looking for a good deal for America, but
Speaker 3: he's happy for them to prosper. He's happy for them
Speaker 3: to be more globally facing. Economically, it favors trade deals,
Speaker 3: but you know, his notion of what a good trade
Speaker 3: deal is is different from a lot of his predecessors.
Speaker 3: So again, I think it's this sense outside of Western Europe,
Speaker 3: the sense of whether they are on paper ideologically in sync,
Speaker 3: or whether they think he's a nice guy or not,
Speaker 3: just a sense that this is somebody that you can
Speaker 3: work with, right, This is somebody who's very bottom line oriented,
Speaker 3: who isn't so concerned about what you may have said
Speaker 3: about him in the newspaper last week. The way that
Speaker 3: some sort of insecure leaders are He's just, you know,
Speaker 3: let's get this done. And because he's so overtly America first,
Speaker 3: it sort of clears the decks a little bit and
Speaker 3: just focuses people's minds on the fact that, you know,
Speaker 3: he's looking for a good deal for his country. That's
Speaker 3: really all he cares about. But he doesn't think that
Speaker 3: you benefiting is mutually exclusive from him achieving his objective.
Speaker 2: So from your perspective, what do you think Trump's view
Speaker 2: of his fellow Americans is? And when I when I
Speaker 2: asked that question, I mean of all classes, of all groupings,
Speaker 2: and especially those who he has considered to be dumb,
Speaker 2: stupid and dealt with them accordingly. Now that he's in
Speaker 2: this position, what do you think his reaction is to
Speaker 2: those people?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean he thinks generally. I think he's somebody
Speaker 3: whose default position is to think very favorably upon you know,
Speaker 3: his fellow Americans in an individual case basis, until they
Speaker 3: prove themselves otherwise sort worthy of respect and all the
Speaker 3: rest of it. He is someone who has I don't
Speaker 3: think he's such a conversion. But because of the way
Speaker 3: he was brought up, the time he was forced to
Speaker 3: spend you know, working on his father's construction sites and
Speaker 3: that kind of thing, whether it was in his DNA
Speaker 3: or it was something environment because the environment that he
Speaker 3: spent time in as a youngster, you know, he has
Speaker 3: this lifelong rapport with working class, blue collar people work
Speaker 3: you know, who work with their hands, make things, fix things,
Speaker 3: and all that kind of stuff. He he doesn't just
Speaker 3: know them and what they do, but he actually gets
Speaker 3: them right. That's something that most obviously most billionaires don't.
Speaker 3: But most these days politicians are usually from a pretty nice, comfortable,
Speaker 3: class back background and all the rest of it, and
Speaker 3: their exposure to those those folks who you know, belong
Speaker 3: to unions or you know, do make things and build things,
Speaker 3: fix things is pretty limited, you know, except for maybe
Speaker 3: when somebody comes to fix something at their house. So
Speaker 3: he has a lifelong kind of respect for quote unquote
Speaker 3: ordinary people doing this, I'm putting words in his mouth,
Speaker 3: but the ordinary things that make the world go around, right,
Speaker 3: and that's his natural those are his natural. Those those
Speaker 3: are whom he feels, he naturally automatically feels the need
Speaker 3: to protect and speak for, you know. And and the
Speaker 3: way that American society culture has evolved, they have become
Speaker 3: increasingly marginalized economically, socially, et cetera, et cetera, insistence of
Speaker 3: the Western phenomenon. But there are there are more of
Speaker 3: them in America and in most places, and the changes
Speaker 3: is more pronounced, probably and more painful. And so he
Speaker 3: is ironically truly a spokesperson for those in the bottom half,
Speaker 3: even though he comes from the top of the top half.
Speaker 3: That means that many in his class and the class
Speaker 3: of the strata just below him no only disagree with
Speaker 3: him about the innique, goodness and utility of those in
Speaker 3: the bottom half, but they resent him for his affinity
Speaker 3: and the devotion and support and true affection that many
Speaker 3: in the bottom half have for him, because they know
Speaker 3: these are his critics in the middle and upper classes.
Speaker 3: They recognize that not in a million years would their
Speaker 3: plumber want to have a beer with them, unless you
Speaker 3: know he was paid well for his time were in
Speaker 3: Trump's case, you know, ordinary people just like to hang
Speaker 3: with him because he just he's just a pleasant guy,
Speaker 3: you know, who listens to their stories and actually seems
Speaker 3: to care about their lives. So, but that means that
Speaker 3: at this point he's far more acutely aware of the
Speaker 3: people he thinks are lazy and stupid and what the
Speaker 3: threat that they pose to him and to indirectly the
Speaker 3: people he's trying to represent. And he recognizes that the people,
Speaker 3: the people that he was putting those categories today at least,
Speaker 3: are those who are very well credentialed and have impressive resumes.
Speaker 3: But as Trump's always said, you know, when you're hiring somebody,
Speaker 3: you know, the resume is the last thing you look at.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like, what have they done, where they
Speaker 3: achieved and what kind of person are they? And I
Speaker 3: think that when he assesses, as he apparently does very quickly,
Speaker 3: somebody he goes very much of first impressions, wisely or unwisely,
Speaker 3: he pretty much very quickly knows and will know is
Speaker 3: they work out who they want to hire. You know,
Speaker 3: these several thousand ob every president get gets to fill
Speaker 3: which of these categories people fall into. And He's going
Speaker 3: to be pretty brutal about it, far more brutal than
Speaker 3: he was the first time, because he thinks he's learned
Speaker 3: lessons on that experience.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, so I saw him on television tonight walking
Speaker 2: into the walking onto the stage to make his acceptance speech,
Speaker 2: and he was accompanied by his wife, Millenia, and his
Speaker 2: son Baron. Did you witness that I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 2: write that's all right, No, So I now need to
Speaker 2: explain it. So he walked in with them at the
Speaker 2: head of the rest of the family, and the uz
Speaker 2: Andahs were quite stunning because of one thing, you know what,
Speaker 2: That was the height of his son. They thought they
Speaker 2: thought they thought that he was about six foot six
Speaker 2: or something like that, and I said, no, he's six
Speaker 2: foot ten. This is before he came in. And they
Speaker 2: walked in and everyone went old and wow, look at that.
Speaker 2: And I wonder your thoughts on Trump's thoughts and attitude
Speaker 2: and approach to having a son, because he's got others
Speaker 2: as we know, but having a son, his youngest son,
Speaker 2: who is outstandingly tall, apparently apparently very intelligent. I can't
Speaker 2: verify that, but so I'm told. And what effect that
Speaker 2: might have on the father as far as the son
Speaker 2: is concerned. Do you know what I'm asking? I'm asking,
Speaker 2: what does he what do you think he might think
Speaker 2: about the son? And what the son thinks about all this,
Speaker 2: and what impression he tries to make on him or
Speaker 2: what he's what he's trying to encourage his son to do, be, etc.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting one, but quickly because the age wise,
Speaker 3: this las most recent son is more of a traditionally
Speaker 3: a sort of grand grandson age right, difference in age,
Speaker 3: So it's a yeah, I know, it's I think it's
Speaker 3: something that's sort of really crept up, not creptal on people.
Speaker 3: People feel that it's come out of nowhere because you know,
Speaker 3: when he was first elected, his son with ten you know,
Speaker 3: and suddenly he's a young man whose you know, towers
Speaker 3: over his tall father and his son has been parent
Speaker 3: not apparently. I mean, it's well documented, incredibly influential in
Speaker 3: a positive way in directing his father towards all these
Speaker 3: various uh general all these zoomored you know generation Z
Speaker 3: podcast as an influence and all of that. Right, he's
Speaker 3: sort of really got his head on straight into me.
Speaker 3: He's obviously, however intelligent he is and like you, I
Speaker 3: can't prove the years there isn't, but it seems he is.
Speaker 3: He's obviously very astute and politically, he's obviously absorbed a
Speaker 3: lot over the time he was in the White House
Speaker 3: and ever since and he looks. I mean he was
Speaker 3: I mean literally, I mean literally figuratively appears to be
Speaker 3: somebody who you know, if this was the Kennedy family,
Speaker 3: you'd say, oh, well, you know, in ten years he's
Speaker 3: going to be in Congress and they're going to be
Speaker 3: in the Senate and all that kind of thing, that
Speaker 3: traditional sort of trajectory, And that may be the case.
Speaker 3: The interesting but gut's really interesting with the Trunk family,
Speaker 3: of course, is his two elder sons, Don Junior and Eric,
Speaker 3: are quite formidable in their own right and in the
Speaker 3: political sense. The working assumption is that Don Junior wants
Speaker 3: to have a political future and it might not be
Speaker 3: long before he jumps into a Senate race or a
Speaker 3: gubernatorial race or maybe even you know, presidential race. You know,
Speaker 3: he's impressed a lot of people. His brother has too,
Speaker 3: but his brother's a little more I think keen on
Speaker 3: the background, and I don't think has the desires on
Speaker 3: being a candidate. But so it's I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: suggest there's a Don Junior versus versus basketball playing son,
Speaker 3: you know, Baron Baron versus John Junior competition coming to
Speaker 3: be the next candidate, But you could see how both
Speaker 3: of the Trump might look at both of them and
Speaker 3: think there's somebody, you know who could follow in my footsteps.
Speaker 3: And he you know, he may be right about both
Speaker 3: or certainly you know one or the other. But given
Speaker 3: the difference at an age, I think barren any any
Speaker 3: opportunity of a baron, they may come, but they're they're
Speaker 3: going to come a little while after his eldest brother
Speaker 3: has already you know, tried his hand.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, finally, what do you think the
Speaker 2: first thing he will do will be?
Speaker 3: Uh, the first thing he will do, I think will
Speaker 3: be something over the border, deportation, that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: Partly because it's so central to people's concern is partly
Speaker 3: because it's essentral to his his sort of his promise
Speaker 3: to his voters. And also because and this is why
Speaker 3: Biden worked on this issue in Biden and Kamala literally
Speaker 3: day one, is that a lot of this stuff can
Speaker 3: be done through executive order. You know, the executive orders
Speaker 3: that Trump brought in on day one, Harrison Biden rescinded them,
Speaker 3: and you know, Trump can you know, go reverse that.
Speaker 3: And it's a way of being active on an important
Speaker 3: issue right out of the gate. I think that's I mean,
Speaker 3: I think what he would like to do right off
Speaker 3: for that he may do is all of the releasing
Speaker 3: all of the you know, jfk assassination files and all
Speaker 3: this sort of deep state cover up stuff. Obviously Kennedy
Speaker 3: would like that to happen yesterday. But I think the
Speaker 3: Trump's own experience with the people want the institutions, the
Speaker 3: people who run the institutions today, the people and institutions
Speaker 3: he thought he could work with in one one to
Speaker 3: work with him. Now he knows to say the opposite
Speaker 3: is true. Is putting it diplomatically. I think he on
Speaker 3: a personal level, would just like to just lift, you know,
Speaker 3: take the top off it, turn the snow globe upside
Speaker 3: down and shake it up and see how many of
Speaker 3: them fall out, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, so it's going to be very interesting times.
Speaker 2: And again I want to thank you. We have spoken
Speaker 2: three times in the last three days, twice today, and
Speaker 2: it is well twice yesterday and today, because it's now
Speaker 2: twelve o seven am on the morning of the sixth
Speaker 2: your time, sorry, on the morning of the seventh, out time,
Speaker 2: and you're a day behind. I'm probably holding it up
Speaker 2: from much industrial achievement today, but again.
Speaker 3: Holding up from anything approaching the level of enjoyment.
Speaker 2: Well, it has been an enjoyable day. I have to say.
Speaker 2: I've taken phone calls from all over, texts from even beyond,
Speaker 2: and everybody, everybody I know, seems to be very pleased
Speaker 2: about it. I know I am, and I believe you are.
Speaker 3: Yes, we have our share of bad days, so we
Speaker 3: must take our victories where we find them.
Speaker 2: Indeed, so thank you, and we will talk sometime in
Speaker 2: the not too distant future. And it's always welcome, oh
Speaker 2: my pleasure.
Speaker 3: Always look forward to it. Now.
Speaker 2: As you can imagine, there is so much being written
Speaker 2: and published on this particular day for obvious reasons that
Speaker 2: there is a massive choice of contributors that one could adopt.
Speaker 2: But I've picked a couple come from people to who
Speaker 2: I either admire or respect or both. Firstly, firstly, historian
Speaker 2: Neil Ferguson, Trump's victory is a blow to political law,
Speaker 2: fair critical race theory, woke campuses, legacy media, and Hollywood.
Speaker 2: It's also a win for a new generation of builders
Speaker 2: like Elon Musk. That was just the opening paragraph for
Speaker 2: the article he wrote. There is in the Epic Times.
Speaker 2: There is an article from Jack Phillips. I'm unfamiliar with him,
Speaker 2: to be honest, but he's written Trump has sweeping plans
Speaker 2: for second administration. Here's what he has proposed. I only
Speaker 2: mentioned that because it's worth looking up if you can.
Speaker 2: And we come to Melanie Phillips, who I interviewed many
Speaker 2: I don't know years ago, it seems now. She's a
Speaker 2: British journalist, but she was in Jerusalem at the time
Speaker 2: and we had a terrible line. We must do her
Speaker 2: again sometime. But she has written something that I think
Speaker 2: really covers it for a lot of people. The unfortunate
Speaker 2: thing is its five pages. So what I'm going to
Speaker 2: do is start reading and see where we go. Maybe
Speaker 2: we'll get the whole lot against all odds by Melanie Phillips.
Speaker 2: But those so shocked by Trump's victory have only themselves
Speaker 2: to blame. The relief for some of us is overwhelming,
Speaker 2: even among people who dislike Donald Trump or worry about
Speaker 2: his temperament. The possibility that Carmala Harris might win that
Speaker 2: yesterday's US presidential election produced the deepest fear and dread,
Speaker 2: fear for America and fear for civilization others, however, died
Speaker 2: in the world. Democrats, formerly Republican, never Trumpers and progressives
Speaker 2: in Britain and elsewhere are clutching their heads today and
Speaker 2: moaning how good this have happened. It would take a
Speaker 2: heart of stone not to laugh. The election result is
Speaker 2: by any standard extraordinary. This is a man who the
Speaker 2: Left has spent the past eight years trying to destroy
Speaker 2: through every possible means other than a stake through the Hut.
Speaker 2: He was subjected to an attempted rolling coup, impeachment twice,
Speaker 2: law fare, prosecutions, and legal harassment. He was found guilty
Speaker 2: of sexual assault and improperly reporting hush money payments. His
Speaker 2: house was raided over the official documents that, like Joe Biden,
Speaker 2: he had taken home. He was defamed non stop with
Speaker 2: malicious distortions of his comments and claims that he was
Speaker 2: a Nazi, fascist and dictator who would destroy democracy. Then
Speaker 2: he survived, it would be assassin's bullet. Yet Trump and
Speaker 2: the Republicans have now come through to win the presidency,
Speaker 2: the Senate, and the popular vote. Moreover, in every constituency
Speaker 2: that the Democrats had assumed was their own and in
Speaker 2: which they were confident that they had the vote sewn
Speaker 2: up African Americans, Hispanics, and other minority is, women, young people,
Speaker 2: first time voters. Trump actually increased his support and crushed
Speaker 2: his opponent. Why oh why, cry the traumatized liberals. How
Speaker 2: could this possibly have happened when we said it wouldn't.
Speaker 2: We stated definitively that Kamala would win by an overwhelming majority,
Speaker 2: So how could it possibly be the case that she
Speaker 2: didn't achieve what we had said would happen. The arrogance
Speaker 2: and hoovers are overwhelming, a rich source of mockery and
Speaker 2: comic memes which are now doing the realms. However, these
Speaker 2: come from a mindset which is far from amusing. As
Speaker 2: the default position of those screaming about the threat that
Speaker 2: Trump is said to pose to democracy, this mindset is
Speaker 2: actually based on profound and venomous contempt for millions of
Speaker 2: regular folks. This was summed up in an unusually clear
Speaker 2: eyed analysis by a member of the American media. As
Speaker 2: the result was become clear last night, CNN's political commentator
Speaker 2: Scott Jennings said, this is a mandate forgetting the economy
Speaker 2: working again for millions of working class Americans. Fix immigration,
Speaker 2: try to get crime under control. Try to reduce the
Speaker 2: chaos in the world. This is a mandate from the
Speaker 2: American people to do that. I'm interpreting the results tonight
Speaker 2: as the revenge of the regular, old, working class American,
Speaker 2: the anonymous American who had been crushed, insulted, condescended to
Speaker 2: They're not garbage, They're not Nazis. They're just regular people
Speaker 2: who just get up and go to work every day,
Speaker 2: trying to make a better life for their kids. And
Speaker 2: they feel like they've been told to just shut up
Speaker 2: when they have complained about the things that are hurting
Speaker 2: them in their own lives. Jennings was a rare voice
Speaker 2: of odesty from within a liberal establishment that has thus
Speaker 2: dismissed and defamed ordinary Americans for years. The reason that
Speaker 2: so many liberals simply can't believe what's happened, the reason
Speaker 2: why they were absolutely certain in their predictions that Trump
Speaker 2: couldn't possibly win, the reason they never registered Carmala's manifold
Speaker 2: and disqualifying flaws, is that the world they inhabit is
Speaker 2: a fantasy world. What they want to happen is what
Speaker 2: they tell themselves must happen. Because it must happen, it
Speaker 2: will happen, and if they tell themselves lies, and where
Speaker 2: it is undeniably not happening, they have a duty to
Speaker 2: make it happen by foul means as well as fair,
Speaker 2: because it cannot be allowed not to happen. So, when
Speaker 2: faced with the evidence of the disaster that saw Kamala
Speaker 2: Harris's candidacy, they simply didn't see what the rest of
Speaker 2: us saw. They didn't see that her inability to answer
Speaker 2: any question other than her gibberish word salads was evidence
Speaker 2: of someone who was totally unsuited to public office. Instead,
Speaker 2: the mainstream media censored those episodes on the grounds that
Speaker 2: it was their duty to ensure that she was elected
Speaker 2: because the all alternative couldn't be allowed to happen. They
Speaker 2: didn't register the copious evidence on social media of African
Speaker 2: Americans and Hispanics declaring themselves Trump voters. They did not
Speaker 2: acknowledge couldn't possibly acknowledge the disaster of americ Obama's arrogant
Speaker 2: attempt to bully young black men into voting for Carmela,
Speaker 2: a desperate move which backfired so very badly when these
Speaker 2: young men declared themselves insulted by a man who had
Speaker 2: done nothing for them while he was president. But when
Speaker 2: they deem unconscionable, really does happen despite all their efforts.
Speaker 2: It's as if the world has turned backwards on its axis.
Speaker 2: It's an offense against nature itself. It simply cannot be.
Speaker 2: Hence the titanic effort by the liberal establishment in Britain
Speaker 2: to reverse the twenty sixteen Brexit vote. Hence the unconstitutional
Speaker 2: and probably illegal three year attempt by elements in the
Speaker 2: Justice Department, the FBI and Democratic Party forcilvie d by
Speaker 2: a shockingly partisan media suppressing the truth to leave Trump
Speaker 2: out of office the first time. Round Lo and behold,
Speaker 2: there are already threats to repeat that attempted coup against
Speaker 2: democracy by those who, in the same breath are intoning
Speaker 2: that Trump will now destroy democracy. In the Atlantic, Tim
Speaker 2: Nichols writes, after Barack Obama was elected president in two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight, then Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell vowed
Speaker 2: to make Obama a one term president and obstructed him
Speaker 2: at every turn. McConnell, of course, cared only about seizing
Speaker 2: power for his party, and later he could not muster
Speaker 2: that same bravado when faced with Trump's assaults on the government.
Speaker 2: Patriotic Americans and their representatives might now make a similar commitment,
Speaker 2: but for better aims. Although they cannot remove Trump from office,
Speaker 2: they can declare their determination to prevent Trump from implementing
Speaker 2: the ghastly policies he committed himself to while campaigning. The
Speaker 2: kinds of actions that will stop Trump from destroying America
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five are the same ones that stopped
Speaker 2: many of his plans the first time around. They're not planshy,
Speaker 2: and they will require sustained attention. Because the next battles
Speaker 2: for democracy will be fought by lawyers and legislators in
Speaker 2: Washington and in every state capital. They will be fought
Speaker 2: by citizens banding together and associations and movements to rouse
Speaker 2: others from their sleepwalk that has led America into this moment,
Speaker 2: and Philip's writes get that patriotic Americans must now prevent
Speaker 2: Trump from carrying out the pledges he made to the
Speaker 2: American people on the basis of which they voted for him,
Speaker 2: the essence of a democratic election. Liberals having this smeltdown
Speaker 2: are accusing Trump of behavior of which they themselves are guilty,
Speaker 2: contempt for democracy, subborting the constitutional order, lying bullying extremism,
Speaker 2: suppressing contrary opinions, and promoting hatred and division. Psychologists call
Speaker 2: this kind of accusatory behavior projection. It's a mental disorder.
Speaker 2: The chances that projection word has come into play from
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. Maybe it's been part of the psychologists
Speaker 2: or psychiatrists lexicon for a long time, but I've never
Speaker 2: heard it before, just recently. But it is a mental disorder.
Speaker 2: The chances of this election resulting in such people questioning
Speaker 2: their own mindset and assumptions which have now so spectacularly
Speaker 2: blown up in their faces, the chances are very slim.
Speaker 2: A notable exception has been Scott Jennings, who, in his
Speaker 2: rare media copper also said the following, I also feel
Speaker 2: like this election was something of an indictment of the
Speaker 2: political information complex. We've been sitting around it for the
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, and the story that was portrayed
Speaker 2: was not true. All these gimmicks we were we're going
Speaker 2: to push Harris over the line, and we were ignoring
Speaker 2: the fundamentals inflation. A feeling like they were barely able
Speaker 2: to tread water at best. For all of us who
Speaker 2: cover elections and talk about elections and do this on
Speaker 2: a day to day basis. We have to figure out
Speaker 2: how to understand, talk to and listen to the other
Speaker 2: half of the country that rose up tonight and said
Speaker 2: we've had enough. Absolutely correct elsewhere, says Phillips. Elsewhere, However,
Speaker 2: liberal commentators are employing funereal tones today, as if they
Speaker 2: are in mourning, and of course they're lashing out at
Speaker 2: the people they say at a blame. They blame Harris
Speaker 2: for failing to be different enough from Joe Biden. They
Speaker 2: blame women for unaccountably failing to vote for her. They
Speaker 2: blame people without a college degree for not having the
Speaker 2: intelligence to agree with them. They blame the dark forces
Speaker 2: of human nature. They blame Elon Musk for existing. What
Speaker 2: such people can't see and never will see, is that
Speaker 2: the people to blame are themselves very good piece. Don't
Speaker 2: you think it covers? It covers so much, so much
Speaker 2: that hasn't been recognized, so much that wasn't broadcast, wasn't
Speaker 2: put into print, and now they're faced with the consequences,
Speaker 2: and that will take us out For podcasts number two
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty four For those of you who've stuck
Speaker 2: with it and have enjoyed it and appreciated it. I
Speaker 2: thank you. We shall No, there's no Mai room because
Speaker 2: well there's no momorroom this week, so we shall. We
Speaker 2: shall return next week with the podcast two hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty five. Until then, as always, thank you for listening
Speaker 2: and we shall talk soon.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
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