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Speaker 1: Very sober senior political correspondence with us. Hey Barry, good

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Speaker 1: afternoon her does So what do you make of Darling Tana, Well,

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Speaker 1: she needs to leave.

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Speaker 2: Well, we haven't seen the report, which is a big

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Speaker 2: problem because if, as Chloe Swarbrick suggested this morning, that

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Speaker 2: the only person that's holding up the making public of

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Speaker 2: the report is Darling Tana herself, well, she's been unavailable

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Speaker 2: for comment anywhere. And if it is as you say,

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Speaker 2: that she wasn't involved in migrant exploitation, that I think

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Speaker 2: would come as news.

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Speaker 1: Now I just say the report didn't find.

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Speaker 2: That didn't find it. Well, if that's the case, it

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Speaker 2: come as news to the caucus of the Green Party,

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Speaker 2: the fourteen members excluding Darling Tana, because they've all said that,

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Speaker 2: you know, she is unsuitable to be an MP. I mean,

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Speaker 2: if they can't sack her on telling Porky's because like

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Speaker 2: you said, all politicians tell Porky, so that that is

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Speaker 2: not a case. But the interesting thing to me is

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Speaker 2: that Tamaki Mikado, which is where she stood in the

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Speaker 2: electorate of and that was formerly the home of Madamer Davidson,

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Speaker 2: who decided to get out. She couldn't win it, and neither,

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Speaker 2: of course could Darling Tana She got two nine hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty five votes, well behind the other two. Tuta

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Speaker 2: Kai tash Kemp, who's that young Mauldi MP. She won

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Speaker 2: it by forty odd votes over Peni Henare and of

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Speaker 2: course that's being contested at the moment as well. So

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Speaker 2: that's provided a lot of news what the Greens do

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Speaker 2: have available to them though, And don't forget they begrudgingly

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Speaker 2: supported the wocker jumping legislation in twenty eighteen when it

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Speaker 2: was brought back as part of the coalition agreement between

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Speaker 2: Labor and New Zealand. First they in their confidence and

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Speaker 2: supplies decided they would support it. Well, you know, they've

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Speaker 2: eaten a humble pie once, although James Shaw said they

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Speaker 2: swallowed a dead rat. Well, I've done it once. And

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Speaker 2: if they're really intent on getting rid of Dahli and Tanner,

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Speaker 2: they can simply do it under this legislation, writing to

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Speaker 2: the Speaker saying that she's no longer a member because

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Speaker 2: of themselves when they voted for the legislature.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, you're right, but their opposition to this goes all

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Speaker 1: the way back to Rod Donald. They have held the

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Speaker 1: firm that it should not be the place of party

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Speaker 1: leaders to be able to kick out MPs because those

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Speaker 1: MPs are now no longer convenient to them, which is

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Speaker 1: literally what they will be doing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But the argument was party leaders having all the

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Speaker 2: total power. Well, in this case it was the party itself,

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Speaker 2: the MPs, the fourteen members of the caucus that decided

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Speaker 2: that she should gods were well, not everybody agrees with

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Speaker 2: their party leaders. And on this occasion, if you listened

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Speaker 2: to Chloe Swarbrick anyway, and we've got to take their

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Speaker 2: word for it, because nobody else is talking that she

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Speaker 2: said unanimously behind it, Darlen Tana should go.

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Speaker 1: Do you think she should? Do you think she should

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Speaker 1: quit parliament?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes I do. Yeah. I mean she's lost the

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Speaker 2: faith of her parliamentary colleagues and she got there on

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Speaker 2: the Green ticket, so you know she's got no choice. Independent,

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Speaker 2: she'll have no power whatsoever as a former Independence have

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Speaker 2: shown on that place.

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Speaker 1: Can I talk to you about Biden?

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed you can.

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Speaker 1: Is Luxon going to meet her?

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Speaker 2: Well, we'd love to know, wouldn't we, because he'll be

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Speaker 2: rubbing shoulders certainly at the NATO summit.

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Speaker 1: Like, this is what Parkinson's looks like. Can you just

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Speaker 1: tick off whether you It's.

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Speaker 2: Interesting because the New York Post that reported that Biden's

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Speaker 2: personal doctor met with Parkinson's expert what eight times, the

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Speaker 2: Press secretary said he hasn't got Parkinson Parkinson's disease, but

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Speaker 2: I do hope he remembers. This is Joe Biden when

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Speaker 2: he sees Chris lux and what he told us when

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Speaker 2: he was here almost eight years ago to the day.

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Speaker 2: He was singing the praises of the Pacific and America's

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Speaker 2: places in it.

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Speaker 3: When the President and I took office, we made a

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Speaker 3: basic determination, and I mean this sincerely. We made a

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Speaker 3: determination in the Asia Pacific region is where much of

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Speaker 3: the history of the twenty first century will be written.

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Speaker 3: We are a Pacific power. We have always been a

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Speaker 3: Pacific power. We are going nowhere. We mean what we

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Speaker 3: say when we say we are rebalancing to the Pacific.

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Speaker 3: This is where the action is going to be. The

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Speaker 3: energy and dynamism of this region is absolutely undeniable.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, let's hope some of that dynamism rubs

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Speaker 2: off because in the four years but at subsequent to

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Speaker 2: that meeting, Donald Trump took no notice of New Zealand

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Speaker 2: or the Pacific really at all, and even Biden's administration,

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Speaker 2: he seems to have forgotten the words. So maybe there's

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Speaker 2: a been of Parkinson's involved and what he said about

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Speaker 2: the Pacific when he was the vice president under Obama

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Speaker 2: at that time.

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Speaker 1: Barry, thank you very much appreciate this, Barry so Per,

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